[WRC] WRC Rally Sweden 2018 - February 15-18:

[EstWRC]

5.4 secs in spl2 Neuville quicker...it seems now this stage back staters will have the edge

[AnttiL]

O_o first split for Paddon!

has he even started yet?

[EstWRC]

SS3: TANAK
9.9sec quicker than Ogier. "A lot worse than the previous one. A lot of loose snow on the top. Very tough."

[EstWRC]

Neuville 10 secs faster in splits, amazing

[AnttiL]

Neuville goes into lead for now

[KKS]

has he even started yet?
too early morning for me ... sry :D

[EstWRC]

one more stage to survive for frontrunners and we are equal in the afternoon!

[KKS]

Meeke again feeling lost at this rally. agrrr.... when that Citroen be a liiiiittle bit better

[AnttiL]

one more stage to survive for frontrunners and we are equal in the afternoon!

Will be difficult for Ogier after the small cars and historic cars

[AnttiL]

Meeke again feeling lost at this rally. agrrr.... when that Citroen be a liiiiittle bit better

Breen and Østberg are doing super well. Not a problem with the car.

[EstWRC]

Evans just nowhere....

[KKS]

Lappi fastest Toyota on stage.

[wrc2017]

Breen and Østberg are doing super well. Not a problem with the car.

they have better road position. meeke is looking beyond this rally.

[KKS]

Breen and Østberg are doing super well. Not a problem with the car.
so it's just too old guy at the wheel of car #10 ?

[Rallyper]

Roadposition important. Don´t forget.

[Rallyper]

Absolutely love these fights in the Swedish forest!!! Sorry, Norweigan...

[wrc2017]

so it's just too old guy at the wheel of car #10 ?

did he not just win rally spain a few months back?

[KKS]

late runners on this stage not so fast . Road damaged for they road pos?
Sunninen, Ostberg down on splits

[EstWRC]

Suninen fastest m-sport driver again, helped by the road position of course although im sure he would be faster than Evans anyway

[AnttiL]

Østberg not so fast anymore?

EDIT: fast again on split 4

[KKS]

did he not just win rally spain a few months back?
Citroen have a " surprise rear" all time so you must be crazy brave to drive fast , here in Sweden. If car was OK on tarmac - they don't ok on snow

[KKS]

Katsuta fastest on splits so far at WRC2 O_o

[Norm75]

so it's just too old guy at the wheel of car #10 ?

Or maybe just a more mature approach to the season. He's currently in front of the world champion, no points for overdriving and putting it on its roof. Much of that this season and it'll be goodbye Citroen 2019.

[er88]

Seb wild and all over the place

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[EstWRC]

man, Ogier so wide everywhere!

[er88]

Ogier not happy. Rattled

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[EstWRC]

Ogier look soooo frustrated

[EstWRC]

oohhhhh, Tänak so pissed offf

[KKS]

very unhappy Tanak.

[EstWRC]

Latvala 11 sec faster than Ott

[Eric]

Tanak Ogier? Thats just a stupid stupid comment. Grow up

[KKS]

And JML jump ahead of Ott. Battle!!!

[KKS]

wrc.com splits again down?

Likely this one - work
http://webappsdata.wrc.com/web/classification/classification.html?%7B%22event%22:%7B%22eventid%2 2:%22c2ef6635-d041-4ca7-a193-d974a1810c62%22%7D%7D

[HaCo]

Tanak Ogier? Thats just a stupid stupid comment. Grow up

Agree, it's the way it is.

[EstWRC]

Nice time by Meeke...Neuville massively faster than everyone else, he is going away from others now

[HaCo]

Neuville :D

[Tarmop]

Agree, it's the way it is.

No, a knee-high snow isn`t they way it is, giving a massive edge for the ones in the back.

[EstWRC]

well im sure they wouldnt write those comments if Neuville had started first and said the same thing ...

[er88]

Meeke hit something and evidently so has Evans. Looks to have a puncture

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[HaCo]

Every rally it's something else, I understand their frustration, but it's the way it is.

For chamionship "dynamics" this is the best solution.

[EstWRC]

Lappi for the win now i say

[HaCo]

Great drive by Lappi!

[er88]

Everyone hitting something, Lappi now

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[Tarmop]

What? They already are first on the road, making them slower as FWD cars and giving Ostberg/Mikkelsen/Neuville and other fast drivers the chanche to gain simple lead. It`s not offroad racing, it`s road rally.

[HaCo]

Japanese Katsuuda leading R5? 13th pos.

[EstWRC]

Hyundai 1-2 now and they have quite a good gap to Latvala and Tänak already

[pantealex]

Japanese Katsuuda leading R5? 13th pos.

Yes, over 10s ahead of next one. (They witched to Pirelli for Sweden, that could be advantage)
btw.Nikara is out, broken radiator

[GravelBen]

What? They already are first on the road, making them slower as FWD cars and giving Ostberg/Mikkelsen/Neuville and other fast drivers the chanche to gain simple lead. It`s not offroad racing, it`s road rally.

Someone has to be first on the road, sometimes it is an advantage and sometimes it is a disadvantage. Thats rallying.

[KKS]

Sunninen in hurry wear a hat inside out :D All about marketing now )))

[er88]

Hyundai 1-2 now and they have quite a good gap to Latvala and Tänak alreadyWell Mikkelsen has a superb road position. Nothing you can do about that. All the guys further back with advantage but Neuville has been flying the last two stages

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[EstWRC]

this stage shaked the standings quite a lot but the TOp4 is very close fortunately!

[Mise]

Is Pontus Tideman out? No time for him from SS3

Edit: It is now showing

[Tarmop]

Someone has to be first on the road, sometimes it is an advantage and sometimes it is a disadvantage. Thats rallying.

We are talking about knee-high unploghed snow, the kind which is supposed to be cleaned. They said it clearly that they know they have to be first and it is harder for them and then comes this.

[PLuto]

Is Pontus Tideman out? No time for him from SS3

No problems with his time on SS 3 - https://rally-base.com/2018/rally-sweden-2018/?ssId=4489&ssGroupId=1

[GravelBen]

We are talking about knee-high unploghed snow, the kind which is supposed to be cleaned.

I'm watching the stage live and it certainly didn't look knee high, a lot of exaggeration there.

[Rally Hokkaido]

Splits are up!

[er88]

Ogier didn't moan about the stage not being ploughed. Just Tanak, who found the conditions on this stage more difficult than previous stages so lost time.

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[EstWRC]

Ogiers face said it all and his ignorant comments...

anyway it is, what it is, lets move on

[Mintexmemory]

Brains will help big time this afternoon - Tanak and Ogier should get a little time back to get optimum road position and then make an attack tomorrow morning. Fascinating to see how this will pan out when Neuville has to sweep.

[AnttiL]

Ogiers face said it all and his ignorant comments...


Yeah, it was obvious that he was too pissed off / shocked to say anything.

In WRC2 Katsuta, Veiby, Tidemand and Huttunen now within 2.9 seconds.

[AnttiL]

Brains will help big time this afternoon - Tanak and Ogier should get a little time back to get optimum road position and then make an attack tomorrow morning. Fascinating to see how this will pan out when Neuville has to sweep.

He won't have to sweep.

[N.O.T]

brains will help big time this afternoon - tanak and ogier should get a little time back to get optimum road position and then make an attack tomorrow morning. Fascinating to see how this will pan out when neuville has to sweep.

lol

[Mintexmemory]

He won't have to sweep.
Oh bugger - it’s reverse order (early dementia!) Going completely last could be a problem but Tanak may still have a sweet spot!

[AnttiL]

It's still a long way to the end of the day with new conditions.

[AnttiL]

In WRC2 Katsuta, Veiby, Tidemand and Huttunen now within 2.9 seconds.

Tuohino also now inside this pack. What a great fight!

[satukata]

Tuohino also now inside this pack. What a great fight!

Tuohino 3rd and tideman 4th after ss4. poor speed for tideman... tuohino have 8 years last rally sweden... and very few rallies last 7 years... great Janne!

[Mintexmemory]

lol


I make you laugh? I’m here to fuckin’ amuse you? Waddya mean “funny”? Funny how? How am I funny?

[Tarmop]

So R2 SS4 winner one minute slower than Ogier...

[Tauri_J]

I make you laugh? I’m here to fuckin’ amuse you? Waddya mean “funny”? Funny how? How am I funny?

they're gonna lose time again

[AnttiL]

Only 5,4s from P5 Breen to P9 Suninen

[Rallyper]

He won't have to sweep.

More of a chance Ogier will sweep tomorrow ...

[Mintexmemory]

More of a chance Ogier will sweep tomorrow ...
Surely only if Evans, Solberg an Al Rajhi are all on superrally?

[Rallyper]

Tuohino 3rd and tideman 4th after ss4. poor speed for tideman... tuohino have 8 years last rally sweden... and very few rallies last 7 years... great Janne!

Diffent tyre brands. Pirellis obviously working well.

[RS]

Tuohino 3rd and tideman 4th after ss4. poor speed for tideman... tuohino have 8 years last rally sweden... and very few rallies last 7 years... great Janne!

Running order seems to be having an effect in WRC2 also, Tidemand as first R5 has to do some sweeping too as his car has a different track width to WRCars.

But Tuohino is quite impressive, certainly better than last time he drove a Skoda Fabia in WRC ;)

[marcosg]

radstrom and bergkvist tied!!

[bluuford]

The problem with snow on the last stage was that actually there was a snowplough at around 7AM, but it seems that it turned away some 6 km before the end of stage. The talk that it can snow 10 cm in 2 hours is a bit PR :) Probably there was problem with snowplough or smth.

[sonnybobiche]

The problem with snow on the last stage was that actually there was a snowplough at around 7AM, but it seems that it turned away some 6 km before the end of stage. The talk that it can snow 10 cm in 2 hours is a bit PR :) Probably there was problem with snowplough or smth.

Anyway, pissed off drivers is the best thing in the world for the fans to see. Ott is a Senna-esque character, and if the organizer has to play the role of Balestre, that's fine. The more drama the better!

[L555MAT]

What a very intersting and intriguing rally so far!

[AnttiL]

How can WRC2 times be correct if Katsuta was in lead after SS3 and was fastest in SS4 also. Those are totally wrong times now...

Not sure what you are talking about. Katsuta was in the lead after SS3. He lost a bunch of time in SS4 but is still in the lead.

[EstWRC]

a stage win for Ken Torn in JWRC!

and here is Tänak ploughing the snow

https://www.upload.ee/image/8046728/27858735_1610589165655306_8105038799172810603_n.jp g

[AnttiL]

LOL! Now someone make a picture of Østberg, Mikkelsen, Lappi and Suninen bribing the snowplow driver? (regarding Ott's comment on media zone "the snow plow driver did this to help the local drivers")

[Indreq]

LOL! Now someone make a picture of Østberg, Mikkelsen, Lappi and Suninen bribing the snowplow driver? (regarding Ott's comment on media zone "the snow plow driver did this to help the local drivers")

As big Ott fan as i am - he should probably shut up now. Once was nice and bringing up intrique, keeping moaning about it shows weakness.

[krissucool]

Like Bluuford said, the last 6km for very conveniently left unplowed.

[Myrvold]

Abbring SS3 Crash
https://youtu.be/yhWrNGeJ_y0

[AnttiL]

Like Bluuford said, the last 6km for very conveniently left unplowed.

Yes, but most likely not made on purpose.

[HarriK]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DWFcU4RXUAEzVzs.jpg

[Myrvold]

The problem with snow on the last stage was that actually there was a snowplough at around 7AM, but it seems that it turned away some 6 km before the end of stage. The talk that it can snow 10 cm in 2 hours is a bit PR :) Probably there was problem with snowplough or smth.

It sounds like the Norwegian part is plowed. But not the Swedish.
So it's the Swedish snowplowers that hasnt done their job. And as there are no Swedes until WRC2 it's not for local help ;P

[satukata]

Diffent tyre brands. Pirellis obviously working well.

who are driving Pirellis wrc2?

[krissucool]

Yes, but most likely not made on purpose.

Yes. I agree that it is a bit childish to go for conspiracy theories but the frustration is understandable. Totally fair to for the organizers to go screw themselves though.
You can see the difference in experience. Ogier is as livid as Tanak is but he knows cursing wont help so he just looks at the camera with eyes like he wants to murder someone but does not say much.

[Tauri_J]

Abbring SS3 Crash
https://youtu.be/yhWrNGeJ_y0

when does he not crash?

[HarriK]

That is not a crash..only a spin :)

[AnttiL]

who are driving Pirellis wrc2?

Tuohino, Katsuta and Arai for example.

[AnttiL]

It sounds like the Norwegian part is plowed. But not the Swedish.

That's actually a pretty good theory. "My job ends here".

[Myrvold]

That's actually a pretty good theory. "My job ends here".

Thats how it is. I'm often crossing the border. And there is almost always a noticeable difference.

[AnttiL]

Thats how it is. I'm often crossing the border. And there is almost always a noticeable difference.

Yeah that's often noticable even when crossing a county line.

[Tauri_J]

That's actually a pretty good theory. "My job ends here".

could be

https://image.prntscr.com/image/xLaIY4-QSB6ME8A4wKcz0g.png

[Myrvold]

Anyone heard about the historics? Should've started a long time ago on SS3. Not heard a sound :/

[krissucool]

Well applause to the Swedish rally for forgetting to plow the Swedish roads :D

[HarriK]

Anyone heard about the historics? Should've started a long time ago on SS3. Not heard a sound :/

Friend of mine is co-driving in one Saab. They had small off in their first stage. If anyone has photos how they ended at Saab side please let me know :)

[René]

https://i62.servimg.com/u/f62/11/47/50/08/ogier10.jpg (https://servimg.com/view/11475008/449)

Ogier moans

[KKS]

who are driving Pirellis wrc2?
allmost all, except Skoda Motorsport

[Jarek Z]

Kajetan Kajetanowicz - greetings from Sweden :)
https://www.facebook.com/KajetanKajetanowicz/videos/1930334876999771/

[Rally Hokkaido]

Kajetan Kajetanowicz - greetings from Sweden :)
https://www.facebook.com/KajetanKajetanowicz/videos/1930334876999771/

Wow, he stalled the car like a real human being!

[dodge33cymru]

I've missed the morning, but WRC2 looks immense!

[AMSS]

allmost all, except Skoda Motorsport

I think Huttunen is on Michelin and Åhlin on Dmacks, Skoda motorsport Michelin

[Rallyper]

who are driving Pirellis wrc2?

Katsuta, Touhino

[Rallyper]

Ogier on a mission. The pressure is on.

[AnttiL]

Latvala faster than Tänak at split one. Ogier's splits missing.

[AnttiL]

And Meeke even faster than Latvala!

[EstWRC]

back starters having even more advantage....

[HarriK]

Times are slower than morning. Tänäk lost 9sec

[AnttiL]

Both Ogier and Tänak said it's worse than in the morning, because of the historic rally in between.

[Myrvold]

Friend of mine is co-driving in one Saab. They had small off in their first stage. If anyone has photos how they ended at Saab side please let me know :)

When I streamed at Svullrya (good old facebool stream) all SAABs looked fine :-)

[EstWRC]

this rally is hyundais to loose again...was exciting for 4 stages


E: forgot Lappi, go boy!

[Indreq]

Ogier and Tänak have to clean the lines again from the mess left behind by less powerful and narrower cars. So if things go really bad for them, they get same cleaners position tomorrow too and there is no hope to get any decent points from here. It must be most front-runner-discriminating event in the calendar...

[Myrvold]

Both Ogier and Tänak said it's worse than in the morning, because of the historic rally in between.

If it's so shit every year for Ogier. Then he can drop the rally. If he expects a snow WRC to have 40 ish drivers and not lose loads pf money...

[KKS]

and now timing system screw-up totally :(

[A FONDO]

Meeke has already shown that - the car works where it works for certain driving style / condition combinations

You have to change your signature already. Something like "Citroen so desperate and are about to quit" :laugh:

[Mintexmemory]

You have to change your signature already. Something like "Citroen so desperate and are about to quit" :laugh:
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Ha ha - not so desperate When Breen is quicker than Lappi and Neuville!!

[EstWRC]

damn this is just so frustrating

[KKS]

Amazing! This battle was simply amazing! Love rallying!

[EstWRC]

at least the TOP6 is tight, all in 12 seconds!

[Rally Hokkaido]

It's certainly tight at the top, six crews within 12 seconds after SS5!

[Mintexmemory]

Any of top 6 could be the overnight leader.

[Rallyper]

Who would have expected this after SS5? Top four guys from RMC on 8 - 11 place?

[Indreq]

Could they enter SS deliberately late, take some time penalty but move back in road position? They would lose time on their correct position anyway, probably more even. Although - if all frontrunners (and then subsequent new frontrunners) do it, then it quickly turns into farce...

[EstWRC]

Tidemand as quick as Ogier basically

[Tarmop]

Maybe a farce is something, we need...back to qualification according to SD!

[KKS]

Could they enter SS deliberately late, take some time penalty but move back in road position? They would lose time on their correct position anyway, probably more even. Although - if all frontrunners (and then subsequent new frontrunners) do it, then it quickly turns into farce...
They can, but on snow rallys they can't benefit on it cuz margin is too small. You need 2min later=20sec penalty. And you never make 20sec on snow stage only being 1 car down at order

[KKS]

Maybe a farce is something, we need...back to qualification according to SD!
And give a world title to who - who won more SD. It will be clever!

[er88]

Maybe a farce is something, we need...back to qualification according to SD!Nah. World champions have always had to deal with cleaning the road on opening day. It's just we have such great strength in depth throughout the WRC now, that 10/11 drivers are previous winners and can take advantage of lots of cleaning.

At the end of the season the best driver will win the championship, regardless

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[Tarmop]

And give a world title to who - who won more SD. It will be clever!

Not that dramatic...but yeah, now that all the cars are equal and not dominating like VW, it would be ok again to let the best be the best.

[COD]

Maybe a farce is something, we need...back to qualification according to SD!

This in not circuit racing where everybody is on the same track. This is rallying with variable road and weather conditions. Stop whining

[Tarmop]

Yes, rallying, not something for small children, where you can`t allow one to be better and have to treat them equally. Stop whining.
At the moment it is rallying on paper/ in rules book, Ogier would`ve been better staying at home.

[bandit12]

This in not circuit racing where everybody is on the same track. This is rallying with variable road and weather conditions. Stop whining

Agree. Ogier has done road cleaning several years now, and still managed to be champion five times.

[Rallyper]

Everybody was so excited over these snowy conditions coming up the weeks before RS. And now we even see forumers whining about too much snow? Just go to racing if you like. This is rallying.

[Mirek]

This in not circuit racing where everybody is on the same track. This is rallying with variable road and weather conditions. Stop whining

Aside of being seen as something girlish from F1 what is exactly the problem about qualification? It works fine in other championships and it's fair and square.

[steve.mandzij]

The time gaps after 6th place are insane! It's good to see Suninen doing well and Lappi battling at the very top! Could pip him for the win now.

Ogier is in a very tough situation right now with massive time loss. Evans doing no better despite his road position. Excited to see Latvala overtake Tanak on the afternoon loop, and Katsuta in the WRC2 lead!

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[Mirek]

If a take a celebrating shot everytime the splits work I won't even get drunk...

[AnttiL]

The time gaps after 6th place are insane! It's good to see Suninen doing well and Lappi battling at the very top! Could pip him for the win now.

Ogier is in a very tough situation right now with massive time loss. Evans doing no better despite his road position. Excited to see Latvala overtake Tanak on the afternoon loop, and Katsuta in the WRC2 lead!

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Remember that Evans had a puncture, but he was still quite off the pace in the morning.

[EstWRC]

according to David Evans Elfyn will be the champ this year.

[papar007]

Any live coverage thanks

[AnttiL]

according to David Evans Elfyn will be the champ this year.

Two things were supposed to be improved for 2018:
1) Evans would get Michelins
2) RallySafe would take care of timing

[Mintexmemory]

according to David Evans Elfyn will be the champ this year.

Even the most patriotic Taff would be amazed!!
Meanwhile on the road to SS6 there are six co-drivers repeating the mantra, Don’t lose concentration, don’t get over-excited!!’

[COD]

Aside of being seen as something girlish from F1 what is exactly the problem about qualification? It works fine in other championships and it's fair and square.

I didn't see anything wrong with it as such. One more thing to excite the media and fans. But it was scrapped, because it made the competition boring. There are pros and cons in every solution. But the weather conditions has made this an interesting event, don't you think?

[Mirek]

Sure. I am not totally against the running order which we have now. It adds a lot of unpredictability for the season and in a way it's also same for everyone because it's given from the very start till the end of the season. On the other hand though I don't like to watch the frustrated faces You know...

[KKS]

Again quite OK 1st split from Meeke. Will see how it's go.

[EstWRC]

Meeke will pass Tänak if he continues like that

[EstWRC]

you can see the anger from the frontrunners...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Ogier even slower than this morning on the same stages. He has no chance here.

[KKS]

you can see the anger from the frontrunners...
It's first time for how many month that road condition didn't play on Ogier hand?

[Tarmop]

It's first time for how many month that road condition didn't play on Ogier hand?

When then they play?

[Rallyper]

Honestly, how can a five time World Champion call a proper winterstage a joke??!!

[KKS]

Ogier even slower than this morning on the same stages. He has no chance here.
If you want perfect road position for Sweden - you should retire from Monte. It's simple

[Mirek]

It's first time for how many month that road condition didn't play on Ogier hand?

Yeah, definitely no need to complain between Australia and Monte Carlo.


If you want perfect road position for Sweden - you should retire from Monte. It's simple

Even in Sweden sometimes it may be good to start first (I can imagine for example with dazzling combination of frost snow in the air and low sun).

[EstWRC]

Out of all the drivers im deeply impressed with Neuville...he isnt actually starting that far back and setting some incredible pace

[AnttiL]

If you want perfect road position for Sweden - you should retire from Monte. It's simple

And it won't be easy for the championship leader in Mexico.

[Rallyper]

JML: "Sometimes it´s like that." That should be the right answer.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

If you want perfect road position for Sweden - you should retire from Monte. It's simple

Yeah, do well on the hardest rally (Monte) and this is your reward...

[Mintexmemory]

It's first time for how many month that road condition didn't play on Ogier hand?
By my calculations 4 months - only because of the season break! Wales to now. Not sure I follow your point - gravel sweeping handicap is
a well-acknowledged handicap. Snow ploughing isn’t.

[AL14]

JML: "Sometimes it´s like that." That should be the right answer.

Came here to say the same but you anticipated me.

[Rallyper]

The only solution is to do a lottery for the starting position. For every round.

naaahhh. Not good.

[AL14]

Question for Sweden veterans: is it a normal procedure for the organizer to clean fresh snow in case it is there? Has it always been like that?

[jonkka]

Question for Sweden veterans: is it a normal procedure for the organizer to plug fresh snow in case it is there? Has it always been like that?

Plug?

[EstWRC]

JML: "Sometimes it´s like that." That should be the right answer.


Ott has been saying the same now afternoon, theres nothing you can do but i still dont like it all. Look at Ogier, already over a minute down.....

[steve.mandzij]

Starting to get tired of all the bitching from the frontrunners.

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[steve.mandzij]

Ott has been saying the same now afternoon, theres nothing you can do but i still dont like it all. Look at Ogier, already over a minute down.....Ott began to think it was a conspiracy against him, though.

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[AL14]

Plug?

Lol I think I have used a weird word. I meant to clean the snow. Practically what Ogier and Tanak are angry about.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Evans then Lappi... some errors coming now.

[Tarmop]

Ott began to think it was a conspiracy against him, though.

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Norwegian side normal with cleaning, Swedish side not normal. You get those thoughts...

[jonkka]

Lol I think I have used a weird word. I meant to clean the snow. Practically what Ogier and Tanak are angry about.

Between stage re-runs or before the rally? Stages are usually re-graded (ploughed) during night, not between subsequent runs of the same day. Bear in mind that usually weather in Sweden has been quite warm and lack of snow and frozen roads (and thus extensive damage from the studs to the roads) have been problem, not deep snow so I am not sure if they do it this year.

[EstWRC]

what happened to Lappi?

[krissucool]

Starting to get tired of all the bitching from the frontrunners.

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Yes, working their ass off to be fast in this rally and losing minutes due to no fault of their own. What assholes they are for being upset.

[mknight]

Breen and Evans got fresh (unplowed) snow in their face on Friday on Monte and instead of road position advantage got huge disadvantage.

They weren't saying it was a French conspiracy at that point...., they weren't actually complaining much at all.

[focus206]

Out of all the drivers im deeply impressed with Neuville...he isnt actually starting that far back and setting some incredible pace

I'll be impressed if he'll keep up the pace without mistakes...

[Mirek]

Lol I think I have used a weird word. I meant to clean the snow. Practically what Ogier and Tanak are angry about.

Better than snow plague :D

[AL14]

Between stage re-runs or before the rally? Stages are usually re-graded (ploughed) during night, not between subsequent runs of the same day. Bear in mind that usually weather in Sweden has been quite warm and lack of snow and frozen roads (and thus extensive damage from the studs to the roads) have been problem, not deep snow so I am not sure if they do it this year.

Thanks, I wanted to use the word "ploughed" not plug :)

[EstWRC]

yes, working their ass off to be fast in this rally and losing minutes due to no fault of their own. What assholes they are for being upset.

amen

[AnttiL]

what happened to Lappi?

"We went wide in a junction into the snow and blocked the air filter. No grip on the braking. That's it. The engine is down on power now."

[EstWRC]

thanks i totally missed it.

Hyundai 1-2-3 in the end of the day?

[Mintexmemory]

Thanks, I wanted to use the word "ploughed" not plug :)

At least you know that there is no ‘w’ in plough ;)

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Ostberg struggling with the car, his first rally in the C3 and the conditions, yet he is running 3rd. World Champion, 3x Sweden winner Ogier in 11th. Says it all about road position.

[Mintexmemory]

thanks i totally missed it.

Hyundai 1-2-3 in the end of the day?
Not if Breen carries on with this form!

[er88]

Mads moaning about having to fight the car, Breen a bit quicker this afternoon it seems. Top 4/5 so close

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[steve.mandzij]

Not if Breen carries on with this form!Breen and Ostberg both looking very strong, although Paddon looks to have his mojo back :D

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[er88]

Neuville is going to ruin the likes Mikkelsen, Mads, Breen, Paddon etc tomorrow I fear. He's on their pace starting further forward today, it could be a demolition tomorrow with reversed road order (unless he bins it)

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[Rallyper]

Same stage, same stagecommander, so ploughing should be on whole stage. Just ask organizer.

However late snowfall is not easy to handle, depending on when orders given to start ploughing.

No problems in local rallies if you have some snow. We just saying "first cars ploughing". And that is done by the highest ranked drivers.

[AMSS]

WRC 2 front runners faster than Tänak and Ogier in first split :)

[mknight]

Same stage, same stagecommander, so ploughing should be on whole stage. Just ask organizer.

However late snowfall is not easy to handle, depending on when orders given to start ploughing.

No problems in local rallies if you have some snow. We just saying "first cars ploughing". And that is done by the highest ranked drivers.

Obviously the difference on the last 6km (Swedish) of Rojden is one issue. But why is it considered automatic by Ogier etc. that organizers should plough after overnight snow I wonder.

As mentioned it didn't exactly happen on Monte either.

[Watson]

Ogier, Tanak and Latvala were always going to have a hard time but I'm pretty disappointed with Evans. He has a similar ideal road position to Neuville and Lappi. The only hope for an M-Sport podium rest on young Teemu now.

[EstWRC]

who was that idiot walking there? Tänak almost run over him

[racerx1979]

Careful.. that Antik fella might report Tanak again.

[EstWRC]

man what a snow again in the end...Ogier literally ploughing

[racerx1979]

man what a snow again in the end...Ogier literally ploughing

Seb losing time but not saying anything at end stage.

[EstWRC]

i have never ever seen Ogier so pissed...he is so pissed off

[KKS]

Great answer by Ott!

[er88]

Well played Ott, bigger man.

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[KKS]

Norwegian side normal with cleaning, Swedish side not normal. You get those thoughts...
Road itself so narrow there... so maybe truck couldn't even enter that road?

[EstWRC]

what a time by Neuville again...

but what a bullshit talk from him about others using his lines

[racerx1979]

Nueville on a mission. Holy moly dude is screaming!

[jonkka]

what a time by Neuville again...

Ditto for Evans :evil grin:

[Tarmop]

Neuville is now teaching others to drive faster. What a nice guy...

[racerx1979]

Ott with a sincere apology and Nueville making lines for the other drivers.. sportsmanship at it's best.

[er88]

Get in Breen.

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[René]

Ogier looks like a capricious little boy who can't stand any frustration. it's unpleasant to see that. He will never change :(

[EstWRC]

Bergkvist out?

[krissucool]

Ogier looks like a capricious little boy who can't stand any frustration. it's unpleasant to see that. He will never change :(

Yes, nobody could in as shitty position as he is in through no fault of his own. Not you, not me and not any other driver fighting for the world title.

[PLuto]

Bergkvist out?

No, he has time. Sometimes they have problems with publishing times in time...

[spiderem]

Well played Ott, bigger man.

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well i think PR team at Toyota must have had a chat with him at lunch...

[EstWRC]

am i right about tomorrows starting order?

Solberg
Evans
Ogier
Meeke
Tänak
Latvala
Lappi
Suninen
Paddon
Ostberg
Breen
Mikkelsen
Neuville

[mknight]

For me there are 3 points here:

1. Are the conditions unequal? - sure, very much

2. Should the drivers be frustrated? - sure, they want to win

3. Should the organizers be blamed? - only for different plowing trough the last part on Rojden and even that is on the edge, everything else is just rally.

The line for me goes when drivers blame organizers.

[HaCo]

Been away during the day... what happend to Ogier in the last one?

[HaCo]

Breen showing some great stuff!!!

[Mirek]

Been away during the day... what happend to Ogier in the last one?

Ploughing the deep snow on the stage of which last 6 km weren't ploughed by the organization.

[Tarmop]

Day 1: All cars start according to the actual Championship classification
Day 2: P1 drivers start in the reverse order of the actual rally classification after day 1. Other drivers start in the order of the rally classification
Day 3: P1 drivers start in the reverse order of the actual rally classification after day 2. Other drivers start in the order of the rally classification.
P1 drivers re-starting in Rally 2 will start at the end of the P1 group.

Did Ostberg just call his C3 stupid?:)

[spiderem]

will be interesting to see the battle Neuville / Mikelsen

[Tarmop]

will be interesting to see the battle Neuville / Mikelsen

Don`t forget Breen and Ostberg.

[KKS]

am i right about tomorrows starting order?

Solberg
Evans
Ogier
Meeke
Tänak
Latvala
Lappi
Suninen
Paddon
Ostberg
Breen
Mikkelsen
Neuville
wait for one more stage for road order :)

[kamei]

will be interesting to see the battle Neuville / Mikelsen
It could be a disaster in the end...

[EstWRC]

yesh but my main question is that are the guys outside top10 starting as first or not?

i understand they do because they are not in Rally2

[René]

Yes, nobody could in as shitty position as he is in through no fault of his own. Not you, not me and not any other driver fighting for the world title.

The rules are the same for everyone. Sometimes they are favorable other times not. The sportsmanship, imposes to remain cool

[dimviii]

Yes, nobody could in as shitty position as he is in through no fault of his own. Not you, not me and not any other driver fighting for the world title.

Loeb could.

[er88]

Breen doing very well with the road position advantage. Mads now struggling with the car as expected but still in that chasing pack.

Will be tough for those two and Hayden to fight against Thierry though. He's ahead of Mikkelsen and Paddon despite his team mates having better road position. Great driving again but I wonder if he's left a margin for error....

Toyota not having the event they hoped for or expected so far, but that's also down to road position for Tanak and Jari.

Evans been a disappointment, while Ogier has had an impossible job, but he needs to maybe settle down a bit and show a bit more decency. Suninen doing well imo for only his 3rd start.

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[KKS]

yesh but my main question is that are the guys outside top10 starting as first or not?

i understand they do because they are not in Rally2
Full reverse P1 with wrc17 cars

[Mintexmemory]

wait for one more stage for road order :)
Indeed - If he completes SS8 surely Yazeed is opening the road tomorrow!

[EstWRC]

ah i completely forgot Yazeed!

[KKS]

Indeed - If he completes SS8 surely Yazeed is opening the road tomorrow!
no, he with 2016 year car

[mknight]

H. Solberg should open no?

[krissucool]

The rules are the same for everyone. Sometimes they are favorable other times not. The sportsmanship, imposes to remain cool

Sportsmanship imposes to remain cool? What are you a girl? If the situation is shitty the sportsman has every right to be frustrated. That is what he works his butt of every day. Emotions are a part of the sports, just like being unlucky with the road position.

[EstWRC]

H. Solberg should open no?

yes, thats what i wrote

Solberg
Evans
Ogier
Meeke
Tänak
Latvala
Lappi
Suninen
Paddon
Ostberg
Breen
Mikkelsen
Neuville

[RS]

Running order is always an issue in rally, but Ogier (or should we call him Slowgier?) slower than several WRC2 cars is nuts.

[HaCo]

Sportsmanship imposes to remain cool? What are you a girl? If the situation is shitty the sportsman has every right to be frustrated. That is what he works his butt of every day. Emotions are a part of the sports, just like being unlucky with the road position.

I agree, the emotions just make it even more interesting! But still we don't have to agree with them :-)

[Tarmop]

Running order is always an issue in rally, but Ogier (or should we call him Slowgier?) slower than several WRC2 cars is nuts.

At the end of SS4, were that drama happened, Ogier ja Tänak were slower than SS4 JWRC winner K.Torn, who was 5(!) seconds faster than Tänak in that part. So wrc2 is logical and not that nuts...

[PLuto]

Indeed - If he completes SS8 surely Yazeed is opening the road tomorrow!

Yazeed is no P1

[krissucool]

I agree, the emotions just make it even more interesting! But still we don't have to agree with them :-)

I find it really hard to understand how you can not agree with the emotions of Ogier or Tanak whos rally is ruined after day 1 due to no fault of their own. Of course they are angry, of course they are disapointed. What should Ogier respond after losing close to a minute on the stage to the drivers hes equal and not having any change to drive fast whatsoever.

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DWKnKytWAAA1-xX.jpg

[HaCo]

I find it really hard to understand how you can not agree with the emotions of Ogier or Tanak whos rally is ruined after day 1 due to no fault of their own. Of course they are angry, of course they are disapointed. What should Ogier respond after losing close to a minute on the stage to the drivers hes equal and not having any change to drive fast whatsoever.

You're right, I already wrote a few posts back that I can understand their frustration. But blaming the organisation is not something where I agree with, and that's also part of the frustration...

[Tarmop]

Apart from that unploghed last part in SS4 and Tänaks outburst, he just apologised for, where they have blamed the others?

[dimviii]

Evans ss 4

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180216/6a023a51de7ef7c9f7ddb17ded57bf45.jpg

[dimviii]

https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2018/07/5/1518793287-normal.png

[HaCo]

Is it normal WRC Live lags about 1 min behind?

[EstWRC]

quite dark already!

[dimviii]

FRI 16:47 - STAGE INFO: SS8
Torsby 1, 9.56km. A mix of new roads and some last used three years ago, before a popular spectator area into the finish. Although the roads are narrow and bumpy, they are fast and tricky and among those to have fallen foul of this stage are Sébastien Ogier, Jari-Matti Latvala and Ott Tänak. The final 3km run alongside Torsby airfield service park, and before the last section near a ski centre is a rallycross-style arena with plenty of fast bends and a jump.

[Rallyper]

I think all drivers struggled with the ruts on second leg. Just different ways to express themselves. (Ostberg)

[dimviii]

Breen loosing a fin
https://twitter.com/rallytravel/status/964418764442714113

[krissucool]

You're right, I already wrote a few posts back that I can understand their frustration. But blaming the organisation is not something where I agree with, and that's also part of the frustration...

Yes, but that has already been apologized for and to be fair the organizers are at fault for not ploughing the last 6km of a stage making the 2 first WRC cars slower than JWRC cars. And still it has been apologized for.

[spiderem]

could Ogier plays some trick to be super rally tomorrow without loosing too much time and start after the main WRC field?

[Tarmop]

I think all drivers struggled with the ruts on second leg. Just different ways to express themselves. (Ostberg)

Yes, because one shouldn`t be unhappy, that he is 21. on the stage, although capable of winning the event and others who score top 5 times, complain about ruts and making lines for the ones behind him, are really in trouble.:D

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Ogier lost 1m19 to the next man on the road today (Tanak) !

[EstWRC]

Latvala woke up but its day over now, lol