Neste Rally Finland 2017

[Eli]

If anyone wants to see the Press Conference Post day 1: https://www.pscp.tv/w/1vAxRNjlmzkxl

[N.O.T]

It's Esapekka Lappi in the lead of the rally after day 1.

Does anyone else have the feeling that we might have to get used to the above for years to come?

Are you british ?

[dimviii]

Sébastien Ogier‏

Not the day we expected. It's a shame as the speed was there but that's rally. Thank you @MSportLtd for repairing the car. See you tomorrow!

[Eli]

what a day for the Finish...first time since Marcus Gronholm lead back in 2007 on SS2 that we see a Finish 1-2-3....

[Andre Oliveira]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DF2PatuXsAI8Imk?format=jpg&name=large

[Eli]

https://www.redbull.tv/live/AP-1Q84GRYX11W11/fia-world-rally-championship
Redbull's day 1 recap (using WRC+ footage).

[rallyace]

I hope, but to take a recent example Paddon was praised as the man to beat Ogier after Argentina last year, so let's keep the hopes up and the hype down.

That's true, although we most likely haven't yet seen the Kiwi at his best. His performance this year is quite reminiscent of Thierry's lack of results last year, and we've all seen how quickly that can change (i.e. this season). The way Lappi has gone straight into a World Rally Car and set fastest stages times rally after rally is quite impressive, although for him to be a serious contender in the future his abilities on tarmac will be paramount (also an area where Paddon in particular has trouble). Let's keep our fingers crossed.


Are you british ?

I'd love to, but no, sir.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Sébastien Ogier‏

Not the day we expected. It's a shame as the speed was there but that's rally. Thank you @MSportLtd for repairing the car. See you tomorrow!

Sounds like Julien is ok to go in the morning . :)

[Eli]

Sounds like Julien is ok to go in the morning . :)

Not giving up on that 5 points in the power stage for the championship...every point counts now.

[N.O.T]

I'd love to, but no, sir.

You share a lot with them...

[EstWRC]

Tanak: "So this is the front suspension that I will be fixing next year"

Here's a video of it https://www.facebook.com/Rallytravel/videos/1841375055878620/

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Not giving up on that 5 points in the power stage for the championship...every point counts now.

If he's not 100% fit they just have to leave parc ferme in the morning and can retire again for a Sunday re-start...

Ogier quote about the accident:
“When I reached the corner, I just braked slightly late, not so much, but the combination of that and the broken damper meant I lost the rear. I had quite a big side impact with a tree and that was game over."

[Rally Power]

Fantastic Rally so far and amazing show from Lappi and Sunninen; being able to be as fast as Latvala on their initial outings in a WRC car is the proof they’re already outstanding drivers. Hats off, again, to Makinen and his staff at TMR/TGR. Evans, Ostberg and Breen are also doing a fine rally. Meeke’s struggling a bit, but getting back the confidence in a steady way seems a better plan than crash before the end of leg 1. Neuville not in top form today; he’ll hopefully improve tomorrow and, who knows, maybe he’ll leave Finland leading the series (that would be a first in the last 4 years!). Huttunen (P3 at WRC2) is the other young Finn making wonders, but there’s still hope for the French...Ciamin (19 yo) is dominating JWRC, ahead of compatriot Folb. Hope 2nd leg gets even better!

Btw, great coverage from you all; it’s much nicer to get the news here than hearing the expat british squad on WRC radio...

[Mise]

Not giving up on that 5 points in the power stage for the championship...every point counts now.

Of course one should have the speed to get them points. If JML gets 5, Esuppi 3 and Teemu 1, then JML will have a shot too for the tittle

[Mise]

You share a lot with them...

In a good way, right ;)

[N.O.T]

In a good way, right ;)

For him yes, for the rest no

[steve.mandzij]

For him yes, for the rest noNow you're just nonsensical.

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[N.O.T]

Now you're just nonsensical.

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Its ok you do not have to understand everything... life is better the less you understand

[sonnybobiche]

If anyone wants to see the Press Conference Post day 1: https://www.pscp.tv/w/1vAxRNjlmzkxl

Hey maybe they should, I dunno, advertise this?




Its ok you do not have to understand everything... life is better the less you understand

Sad but true

[Integrale]

Went to both runs in Urria and Laukaa today. Lappi really impressive. Neuville looking fast, but isn't. Has it something to do with top speed?

The cars are utterly amazing, but what really struck me is this rally, these roads. Unbelievable. Finland is the mother of all rallies.

Camping near Ouninpohja now, enjoying some Karhu's. A dream come true. Bring on tomorrow - my birthday! :)


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[steve.mandzij]

Its ok you do not have to understand everything... life is better the less you understandYour life must be bliss

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[Mise]

Its ok you do not have to understand everything... life is better the less you understand

So your life should be pretty good then

[Andre Oliveira]

https://scontent.fopo2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/20374710_1819048228124596_3008131486663018667_n.jp g?efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&oh=c4207f069de82d277992d096405d63a2&oe=5A32374B

[Andre Oliveira]

https://scontent.fopo2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/20476500_1819053414790744_7827800126879350985_n.jp g?efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&oh=a384d4ad360d3ba22dfc7df788e10874&oe=5A045D0D

[Mise]

Tomorrow we will see how much did Esuppi gain from his starting order.

[steve.mandzij]

https://scontent.fopo2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/20476500_1819053414790744_7827800126879350985_n.jp g?efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&oh=a384d4ad360d3ba22dfc7df788e10874&oe=5A045D0DI love the green nose on Suninen's car :D

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[dimviii]

amazing photo

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DF2bqrzXUAAWhDs.jpg

[N.O.T]

amazing photo

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DF2bqrzXUAAWhDs.jpg

Needs more flowers...

[janvanvurpa]

Went to both runs in Urria and Laukaa today. Lappi really impressive. Neuville looking fast, but isn't. Has it something to do with top speed?

The cars are utterly amazing, but what really struck me is this rally, these roads. Unbelievable. Finland is the mother of all rallies.

Camping near Ouninpohja now, enjoying some Karhu's. A dream come true. Bring on tomorrow - my birthday! :)


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look out for real karhu..They look so friendly and cute> Some like beer...
Don't feed them..

[mknight]

Here's a video of it https://www.facebook.com/Rallytravel/videos/1841375055878620/

The best part is the look Neuville gives to the car.

[mknight]

Btw. the Hanninen dmg, wasn't it very much similar to what Paddon did in Sardinia and immediately retired with?

No surprise the other drivers were so interested in it on that picture:
http://www.motorsportforums.com/showthread.php?37200-Neste-Rally-Finland-2017&p=1148459&viewfull=1#post1148459

cause driving 3 stages on it and even beating Latvala on one of those is truly impressive

[itix]

"Toyota are useless slow dogs"

[jparker]

How come no sign of side impact?
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DF2QHSiWsAAcJwd?format=jpg

[N.O.T]

"Toyota are useless slow dogs"

yes they are...

[N.O.T]

How come no sign of side impact?
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DF2QHSiWsAAcJwd?format=jpg

look carefully above the wheel arch...

[olemann]

Let's enjoy the Finns on their home ground. Unfortunately, time to Germany and asphalt is not far away.

[seb_sh]

Here's a video of it https://www.facebook.com/Rallytravel/videos/1841375055878620/

Ott is thinking about it... ;)

[N.O.T]

Let's enjoy the Finns on their home ground. Unfortunately, time to Germany and asphalt is not far away.

the rally is not over yet...

[sonnybobiche]

The best part is the look Neuville gives to the car.

I like when Tanak is just standing there thinking, "Vat da fack are da Toyotas doing doing dey are so qvick, you know."

[steve.mandzij]

I like when Tanak is just standing there thinking, "Vat da fack are da Toyotas doing doing dey are so qvick, you know.""yeh obviously I vuud like to go to Toyota and... Yeh, obviously, they are quick."

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[GravelBen]

https://scontent.fopo2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/20374710_1819048228124596_3008131486663018667_n.jp g?efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&oh=c4207f069de82d277992d096405d63a2&oe=5A32374B

"A suspension issue" caused by hitting a tree? :rolleyes:

[racerx1979]

Some shots I took with my 90's cell phone

https://preview.ibb.co/e3gQkQ/IMG_8467.jpg (https://ibb.co/gaHy5Q)
https://preview.ibb.co/gjXWQQ/IMG_8471.jpg (https://ibb.co/eLfws5)
https://preview.ibb.co/hJz0Kk/IMG_8475.jpg (https://ibb.co/dfCLKk)
https://preview.ibb.co/ey8Gs5/IMG_8487.jpg (https://ibb.co/hZBEek)

[EstWRC]

Gooood morniinnng from Päijälä! Time to eat and drink coffee and go to the stage. We are doing ouninpohja in the afternoon!

I hope we can make it because it was madness with the traffic yesterday and we got see just 3 stages instead of 5.

Let's see how young Finnish guys perform on these famous stages and of course hoping that Tänak can make up some places.

[BigWorm]

Start list day 2 @RallyFinland
Al Qassimi
#Sordo
Tanak
Meeke
#Neuville
Evans
Ostberg
Hanninen
Breen
Suninen
Latvala
Lappi
#Paddon
#wrc7

No Ogier?

[Arnold Triyudho Wardono]

Some shots I took with my 90's cell phone

https://preview.ibb.co/e3gQkQ/IMG_8467.jpg (https://ibb.co/gaHy5Q)
https://preview.ibb.co/gjXWQQ/IMG_8471.jpg (https://ibb.co/eLfws5)
https://preview.ibb.co/hJz0Kk/IMG_8475.jpg (https://ibb.co/dfCLKk)
https://preview.ibb.co/ey8Gs5/IMG_8487.jpg (https://ibb.co/hZBEek)
Who's driving the S1..?

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[dimviii]

How come no sign of side impact?
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DF2QHSiWsAAcJwd?format=jpg

they touched the tree with the rear wheel,thats why the halfshaft is so bended.

[dimviii]

Miika Wuorela‏*@MiikaWuorela
No Rally2 for Ogier today.

edit
M-Sport‏*@MSportLtd
In agreement with the organisers, we have retired Sebastien to allow Julien more time to recover. Hopefully they'll be back tomorrow. #WRC

[steve.mandzij]

Is WRC radio not working for anyone else?

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[KKS]

Miika Wuorela‏*@MiikaWuorela
No Rally2 for Ogier today.

edit
M-Sport‏*@MSportLtd
In agreement with the organisers, we have retired Sebastien to allow Julien more time to recover. Hopefully they'll be back tomorrow. #WRC
strange rules.
If driver not drive today it's a retirement of a rally.

[KKS]

Is WRC radio not working for anyone else?

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same for me

Now OK

[mkoop]

What are the weather conditions like?

[dimviii]

now ok for me too.

Lets see how Lappi will perform with same road position to Latvala.

[AnttiL]

What are the weather conditions like?

No rain today

[KKS]

It's shame to see that Meeke already drive to the finish :/

[CoyoteVillagra]

About Ingrassia


http://www.nesterallyfinland.fi/site/assets/files/4499/chief_medical_officer_decision_no_1.pdf

[mknight]

About Ingrassia


http://www.nesterallyfinland.fi/site/assets/files/4499/chief_medical_officer_decision_no_1.pdf

No PS points then, that might have a big impact on the title race.

[N.O.T]

Evans faster than Neuville on split 1...

[KKS]

Meeke: I wish I want a hangover :D

[CoyoteVillagra]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DF4bNk8WAAA4ipv.jpg

[dimviii]

Sat 09:14 - SS14: Meeke
"We left service and there is still something not right about the steering. We'll just have to drive around it." A hangover from yesterday? "I wish I had a hangover!"

Sat 09:12 - SS14: Tanak
Quickest so far, but the his car's wiper problem is back again. "Since the first corner the wipers stuck in the middle of the screen. I was fIghting all the way through with the wipers and had no rhythm. We've had this situations for such a long time but nobody seems to care about it."

[N.O.T]

Hanninen wants that 4th place...

[KKS]

Well done Juho! Good time. Hope he make improvement to 3rd overall :)

[steve.mandzij]

Whoo, Latvala flying and finally pushing :D

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[CoyoteVillagra]

Breen "I had an overshoot there. Other than that I drove very well. The car feels good."

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DF4d2V7XYAALM85.jpg

[steve.mandzij]

Argh, I need to go to bed for Ouninpohja live but it's gotten so close!

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[dimviii]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJoRuqxhH04

[mknight]

Looks like today will be an ego challenge for Neuville.
Ogier without any chance of further points but Neuville unable to advance much and being beaten by Paddon (helped by road position) on stage times .

[N.O.T]

I do not think neuville will push... just cruise and hope the guys in front crash and have problems.... lets see.

Its a disgrace though to be slower than evans and ostberg and want to become champion....

[dimviii]

Rally Finland‏*@RallyFinland
NOTE Differing from the official programme IT IS NOT POSSIBLE to access the spectator area C of Pihlajakoski BY BOAT! #RallyFinland

[Mirek]

they touched the tree with the rear wheel,thats why the halfshaft is so bended.

You are right that the bent driveshaft is the best give away but there is also clearly visible massive crack in the body panel upon the wheel arc (from rear light to the side rear window). It was clear side impact directly on the wheel.

[Mirek]

Huttunen just passed Camilli and took a lot of time from Veiby as well.

[dimviii]

You are right that the bent driveshaft is the best give away but there is also clearly visible massive crack in the body panel upon the wheel arc (from rear light to the side rear window). It was clear side impact directly on the wheel.

yes its visible the damage at panel upon the wheel.

[Integrale]

Local rally radio says official FIA doctor gave Ingrassia a 15 day ban to compete. They tried, because I think Ogier drove the car this morning but immediately retired it.


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[dimviii]

In agreement with the organisers and the crew, M-Sport checked the repaired Ford out of parc ferme on Saturday morning. Ogier and Ingrassia drove it into service, where it remains.
Ingrassia will return to hospital for further tests later on Saturday.
Keeping the car officially in the rally gives Ogier and Ingrassia the possibility of restarting on Sunday to fight for powerstage points, subject to Ingrassia's condition and the outcome of the new tests.
M-Sport's Rich Millener added: "In conjunction with the organisers, we feel the sensible thing is to do the formalities with the car, keep it in the rally to have further time for Julien to recover if he's not feeling well.
"We'll make a decision later on where we go with it. We have no plan in place at the moment, we'll see how the day develops and go from there."

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/130988/msport-seeks-more-time-for-ingrassia-decision

[dimviii]

Sat 09:50 - Stage info: SS15
Päijälä 1, 22.68km. Mikko Hirvonen refers to this stage as ‘the little brother of Ouninpohja’. It’s an awesome test with crests, jumps and technical sections on wide and blisteringly fast roads. Run in the opposite direction to 2016, the opening 4km are slightly more technical, with trees and stones right next to the road, but the rest of the stage is full rollercoaster. Finland at its best.

[sindroms]

Does anyone else have problems with wrcplus?
"Diese Domain wurde gesperrt... " wtf?!!

[N.O.T]

Neuville is nothing... he will not even get a single power stage point.... worthless garbage scared dog.

[dimviii]

Suninen at Paijala

https://twitter.com/VMHolopainen/status/891198572372389888

[dimviii]

Paddon stopped

Hayden Paddon‏*
Enjoying the morning stages but unfortunately couldn’t avoid a rock the size of a football in middle of the road… broken suspension again

[mknight]

Tbh after 2 stages I'd say we have an answer to Latvala vs Lappi with similar starting position.
Also consider that Lappi vs Sunninen is about same as yesterday.
Not like it's surprising. Lappi is still doing a very good job.

[dupanton]

I think it's a Hyundai problem. Both Sordo and Neuville are very slow, no confident to push at all. Paddon was faster, but just broke his suspension for the second time in 5 stages...

[dimviii]

so Lappi had an advantage yesterday,or team orders given? He had a clear stage and Evans faster?

[Eli]

Neuville is nothing... he will not even get a single power stage point.... worthless garbage scared dog.

Horrible (Neuville that is), he finally has a chance to pass champ. leader Ogier...Ogier makes little mistakes in a season, when he does, his competitors (almost) never capitalize on it. For this reason, Ogier will take his 5th title this year, will be the most hard earned for him but he will take it.

[mknight]

so Lappi had an advantage yesterday,or team orders given? He had a clear stage and Evans faster?

Road position. Evans did a good job but it's damp so tires could have helped him.

[dimviii]

Veiby off the road

[mknight]

This paid-betting promo on the radio that they started with yesterday is massively irritating. Even more so when you can clearly hear that they got ordered to do it.

[N.O.T]

so Lappi had an advantage yesterday,or team orders given? He had a clear stage and Evans faster?

team orders...

[dimviii]

Road position. Evans did a good job but it's damp so tires could have helped him.

was the only damp stage so far?

[dimviii]

Paddon ss 15

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DF4y6M5W0AAg5NL.jpg

[dimviii]

Scandola and Andolfi stopped too

[mknight]

was the only damp stage so far?

Yesterday the relative road positions were different and the stages were short. Today with longer stages the tire temperature differences between DMACK and Michelin can be more pronounced.... or he just did a good stage. It's like the first time he beat Suninen as well.

[N.O.T]

Lets see if Ouninpohja claims any victims on the first pass...

[KKS]

Mads stopped

[KKS]

and Mads continue

[dimviii]

Big Jump for Tanak
https://twitter.com/paddocknews/status/891206722739744768

[Eli]

Paddon ss 15

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DF4y6M5W0AAg5NL.jpg

Shame his best shot at a good result gone for this season (already yesterday yes but still...)...probably looking forward to 2018...really harsh season for him, probably not too happy with Germany approaching...

[dimviii]

Andolfi

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DF4xQR9WAAAZNJR.jpg

[N.O.T]

Toyota goes for full podium... lol

[KKS]

Finally Juho back into a rhythm!

[N.O.T]

no 1st split by latvala

[N.O.T]

and a crazy second one...

[N.O.T]

Lappi faster than latvala on split 1

[KKS]

With that pace Lappi could end in trees.... To fast for him at this part of his career

[dimviii]

Sat 11:09 - SS16: Meeke
13.3sec slower than Tanak. "I know this stage very well but I couldn't drive the car here. It was like a rear-wheel-drive. Opposite lock to opposite lock."

Sat 10:36 - SS15: Breen
13sec off the pace. He spun in a junction and doesn't know why. "It shouldn't have done that. I've completely lost the confidence at the rear."

[N.O.T]

Sat 11:09 - SS16: Meeke
13.3sec slower than Tanak. "I know this stage very well but I couldn't drive the car here. It was like a rear-wheel-drive. Opposite lock to opposite lock."

Sat 10:36 - SS15: Breen
13sec off the pace. He spun in a junction and doesn't know why. "It shouldn't have done that. I've completely lost the confidence at the rear."

Arab team of nobodies....

[N.O.T]

Sunninen did a mistake towards the end...

[dimviii]

Sunninen did a mistake towards the end...

at a chicane

[EightGear]

Wow latvala.

[jonkka]

Now I remember why I haven't been visiting this forum for a while. On this page I have more of these
"This message is hidden because N.O.T is on your ignore list."
than actual meaningful messages.

[Thousandlakes]

Latvala big push now...Toyota 1, 2, 3

[dimviii]

133,61 km/h average for Latvala

[EightGear]

Toyota 1-2-3.

[Eli]

Latvala & Lappi in a class of their own in this rally, hope they keep it up 'till tomorrow afternoon.

[Sulland]

What happened to Østberg on 16?

[mknight]

133.5 km/h average

Judging by Sweden they should cancel second run... but already last year average on second run was 132.5, what's more it's going to be TV stage, so it won't get cancelled.

[EstWRC]

Toyotas and local drivers just unbeatable here, nothing to do.

[andyone]

All top four places for Finns now. Who would have expected that?

this has soo much ruined my pickems. though latvala and lappi im on good position but i under estimated suninen. its suprising that the World champions ford is the only Ford with issues. and is the only Ford that is not fast. is it the Car or the Driver?

[bassist]

Now I remember why I haven't been visiting this forum for a while. On this page I have more of these
"This message is hidden because N.O.T is on your ignore list."
than actual meaningful messages.

Me too- Bloody Pathetic!

[KKS]

Toyotas and local drivers just unbeatable here, nothing to do.
old times are back :)

[BigWorm]

Horrible (Neuville that is), he finally has a chance to pass champ. leader Ogier...Ogier makes little mistakes in a season, when he does, his competitors (almost) never capitalize on it. For this reason, Ogier will take his 5th title this year, will be the most hard earned for him but he will take it.

Doesn't need to pass him this rally, there are still 4 rallies left after this, remember? Neuville's having a bad rally but he's still in the points, Ogier isn't.

[skarderud]

Its 15 years since last time it was without a french dude, enjoy:)

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[racerx1979]

Hannu Mikola driving the S1

[dimviii]

Εvans
https://twitter.com/paddocknews/status/891208264544911361

[dimviii]

Sat 11:25 - SS16: Lappi
Second quickest, 2.5sec slower than Latvala, and Lappi is 7.3sec behind in the standings. "Really enjoyable but my time is not good enough. I know I lost some in the last junction, otherwise a pretty clean run. Not even close. I don't care if Jari-Matti has won this rally once or three times, I want to be faster. If I push more I will not stay on the road. I don't know where he is making the time."

[Fly]

After Ouninpohja
#40 Huttunen Jari - Linnaketo Antti
"I don't really like this stage. Too many jumps."

[BigWorm]

After Ouninpohja
#40 Huttunen Jari - Linnaketo Antti
"I don't really like this stage. Too many jumps."

Is he really Finnish?

[Eli]

Sat 11:25 - SS16: Lappi
Second quickest, 2.5sec slower than Latvala, and Lappi is 7.3sec behind in the standings. "Really enjoyable but my time is not good enough. I know I lost some in the last junction, otherwise a pretty clean run. Not even close. I don't care if Jari-Matti has won this rally once or three times, I want to be faster. If I push more I will not stay on the road. I don't know where he is making the time."

Gotta love him for his commitment, hope he continues to do so well.

[Mise]

Sat 11:25 - SS16: Lappi
Second quickest, 2.5sec slower than Latvala, and Lappi is 7.3sec behind in the standings. "Really enjoyable but my time is not good enough. I know I lost some in the last junction, otherwise a pretty clean run. Not even close. I don't care if Jari-Matti has won this rally once or three times, I want to be faster. If I push more I will not stay on the road. I don't know where he is making the time."

Attitude of a champion.

[racerx1979]

A little video for you all of Tanak SS15. Quality is sh!t after uploading

https://streamable.com/bwohy

[Eli]

Doesn't need to pass him this rally, there are still 4 rallies left after this, remember? Neuville's having a bad rally but he's still in the points, Ogier isn't.

Yes he does, in order to knock Ogier's confidence for the next round, he can't afford to come on the back foot to Rally Germany, where Ogier is the man to beat on asphalt. He won't get an opportunity like this again.

[dimviii]

Οstbergs broken disc
https://twitter.com/MadsOstberg/status/891218092235378688

[DonJippo]

Doesn't need to pass him this rally, there are still 4 rallies left after this, remember? Neuville's having a bad rally but he's still in the points, Ogier isn't.

Huyndai is having a bad rally, suspension is not suitable for these conditions on finnish roads, nothing they can do about right now.

[racerx1979]

Agree. He needs to get ahead going into Germany but he would need to score at least 12 pts. I forgot what the points tree looks like for the first 10 cars. Ogier will also be back for the power stage tomorrow.

[dimviii]

Sordo close call
https://www.ewrc-results.com/video/23374

[Mise]

If Latavala wins Power stage and the rally, then the championship will look like this

1. Ogier 160
2. Neuville 155
3. Latvala 142

So JML might have a shot to the tittle too

[dimviii]

and the best pass goes to Tanakhttps://www.petrolheads.gr/images/smilies/oldforum/omg.gifhttps://www.petrolheads.gr/images/smilies/oldforum/helpsmilie.gif

https://twitter.com/RallyRACC/status/891213608067190785

[DonJippo]

Some forumers enjoying Rally Finland https://twitter.com/RallyRACC/status/891213608067190785

[N.O.T]

Agree. He needs to get ahead going into Germany but he would need to score at least 12 pts. I forgot what the points tree looks like for the first 10 cars. Ogier will also be back for the power stage tomorrow.

Ingrassia has a 15 day ban on medical grounds.... so i do not think so

[Lead]

Sordo close call
https://www.ewrc-results.com/video/23374

Link isnt working.

[KKS]

wow

[dimviii]

Link isnt working.

https://www.ewrc-results.com/video/23374-neste-rally-finland-2017-ss15-paijala-sordo-close-call/

[mknight]

Agree. He needs to get ahead going into Germany but he would need to score at least 12 pts. I forgot what the points tree looks like for the first 10 cars. Ogier will also be back for the power stage tomorrow.

4th place 12 points, 5th place 10

Neuville is going to struggle to get 4th here even if 1 more car drops and imo he can forget PS points.

[jiipee64]

Some forumers enjoying Rally Finland https://twitter.com/RallyRACC/status/891213608067190785

Seems to me we are at the same spot.

[dimviii]

BILLIOT Jérémie‏*@planetemarcus
#WRC At the moment TOP Record SPEED average in #RallyFinland not beaten ... Meeke for example 126.6 in 2016 .. And JML get 125.8 after SS16

[rhm]

4th place 12 points, 5th place 10

Neuville is going to struggle to get 4th here even if 1 more car drops and imo he can forget PS points.

Agree, hard to see him finishing any better than 5th.

[dimviii]

interesting quotes

Sat 12:16 - SS17: Evans
"Definitely a big step forward from yesterday. Not a lot on the car has changed, the conditions today have played into our hands."

Sat 12:15 - SS17: Neuville
What can you do in service to improve the car? "Nothing." Ouch.

Sat 12:13 - SS17: Meeke
How is the steering issue? "Not significant compared to the other things we need to look at. It's not interesting for me at the moment. We have to continue to try to work. Difficult at the moment."

[HaCo]

Link isnt working.

https://www.ewrc-results.com/video/23374-neste-rally-finland-2017-ss15-paijala-sordo-close-call/

[DonJippo]

Seems to me we are at the same spot.

When you see an older Italian gentleman who speaks rubbish English, say hello from me.

[Eli]

Teemu Suninen is really impressive, must say, only his 2nd ever rally in a WRC car...Mr. Wilson knows his job very well. Also, well done to Toyota.

[racerx1979]

Seems to me we are at the same spot.

Where is this??

[jiipee64]

Rapsula

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DF49RMcXkAEf5G-.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DF489OmXgAAEj8U.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DF48Dv3XgAI2cJ4.jpg

[BigWorm]

Yes he does, in order to knock Ogier's confidence for the next round, he can't afford to come on the back foot to Rally Germany, where Ogier is the man to beat on asphalt. He won't get an opportunity like this again.

Neuville is an asphalt driver, of course he can beat Ogier. As lonh as he gains points on him this rally it's been job done. 4 rallies with 100 points to play for.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Great performance by the Toyota's again today.

Even the likes of fast gravel expert Tanak cant beat them so their lead is well-deserved. Pity Ogier went out, maybe he could've given them a fight..

Shockingly poor the Hyundai's here is so strange and shows how deceptive the PET & SD video's can be.

Citroens still with big issues despite the new parts. Breen doing his best but that car is just not right and that must be horrible on these roads.

[jonkka]

shows how deceptive the PET & SD video's can be.

Wrong. During testing and even on shakedown one only knows how good one's own car is, not how good the opposition is. Hyundai is a good car but Ford and Toyota just are better here.

[mknight]

Great performance by the Toyota's again today.

Even the likes of fast gravel expert Tanak cant beat them so their lead is well-deserved. Pity Ogier went out, maybe he could've given them a fight..

Shockingly poor the Hyundai's here is so strange and shows how deceptive the PET & SD video's can be.

Citroens still with big issues despite the new parts. Breen doing his best but that car is just not right and that must be horrible on these roads.

I think road position does have much more to say in Finland than people often credit it with. Not necessarily due to cleaning but due to the lines and cuts being easily visible, that helps a lot at these speeds.

Case in point Ogier's off, if there were braking marks from before he wouldn't "forget" the corner, brake late and go off. Lappi vs Latvala also seems to confirm that.

This affects Tanak's speed today. Citroen clearly still has issues, specially when the grip is low (today morning with damp). The big difference is that last year the road order on Saturday was same as on Friday, so Breen and other late starters benefited from that.

[A FONDO]

A little video for you all of Tanak SS15. Quality is sh!t after uploading

https://streamable.com/bwohy

Quality is fine but you should have rotated the phone.

[Eli]

Neuville is an asphalt driver, of course he can beat Ogier. As long as he gains points on him this rally it's been job done. 4 rallies with 100 points to play for.

True, as you said Neuville is an asphalt driver, even an excellent one but Ogier has won that event 3 times now & Neuville has yet to win it. After that comes Spain where again Ogier won there 3 times to Neuville's no wins. Neuville needs to have the upper hand going into the last rallies of the year. if he wants to have a realistic chance clinching that title from Mr. Ogier.

As for Finland, Ogier has won this event so he did have an outside chance which is now gone and Neuviile needs to capitalize on it ASAP. As points go there are 120 points to play for...not 100 and that will make a difference at the end. If you want to become champion you need to know how to capitalize on your rivals misfortunes, this is why Ogier is champ for the past 4 years, even last year when he 'only' won 6 events he still finished on podium when others failed. Even this year look, Neuviile has 3 wins to Ogier's 2, now I know that the 2 DNF in the opening rounds have hurt him, but Ogier knew how to finish at least at the top 5 so he won't lose too much ground to his rivals.
Btw Latvala is really impressive, again I know the rally isn't finished, not even close, and I know they are based here. However, if he manages to keep it to the end he will capitalize on Ogier's situation, unlike Neuviile who's is only making inwards to Ogier's lead.

[dupanton]

True, as you said Neuville is an asphalt driver, even an excellent one but Ogier has won that event 3 times now & Neuville has yet to win it. After that comes Spain where again Ogier won there 3 times to Neuville's no wins. Neuville needs to have the upper hand going into the last rallies of the year. if he wants to have a realistic chance clinching that title from Mr. Ogier.



Neuville has won in Germany, it was his first win, back in 2014.
I think the Hyundai is superior to the Ford on asphalt, while Ogier and Neuville are pretty even.
Championship is going to be decided on a retirement for one of both drivers I think.

[Eli]

Neuville has won in Germany, it was his first win, back in 2014.
I think the Hyundai is superior to the Ford on asphalt, while Ogier and Neuville are pretty even.
Championship is going to be decided on a retirement for one of both drivers I think.

Oh right, I forgot, thanks for reminding me, yeah it was his first win right? silly me. Sorry my bad, yes it will be tight there but it would help had Neuville's gone in there with the championship lead in hand. I think you're right, it will probably be decided on a retirement for one of both drivers, hopefully it won't be as harsh for them as it was for Gronholm back in Ireland 2007.

[HaCo]

Incredible Toyota!!!

[SPKen]

SS15 Päijälä 1, include Breen mistake
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHSYV--afxo

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Wrong. During testing and even on shakedown one only knows how good one's own car is, not how good the opposition is. Hyundai is a good car but Ford and Toyota just are better here.

Read my post again - I said the PET & SD video's were deceptive.

The Hyundai's looked to be as fast as anyone but they clearly werent when it came to the stages.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

I think road position does have much more to say in Finland than people often credit it with. Not necessarily due to cleaning but due to the lines and cuts being easily visible, that helps a lot at these speeds.

Case in point Ogier's off, if there were braking marks from before he wouldn't "forget" the corner, brake late and go off. Lappi vs Latvala also seems to confirm that.

This affects Tanak's speed today. Citroen clearly still has issues, specially when the grip is low (today morning with damp). The big difference is that last year the road order on Saturday was same as on Friday, so Breen and other late starters benefited from that.

As the someone said recently - its all very well having good road position but you still need to have the ability to drive at the speed to take advantage.

[jacko]

Neuville is nothing... he will not even get a single power stage point.... worthless garbage scared dog.
Well, now you can't say anything shit about Toyota your focus turned to just another one. What the hell do you really now about rally, think nothing compare those how driving cars between rocks and trees with a speed way over the 100kph.

The Hyundai WRC isn't made for this roads, like last year. Sordo never is quick in Finland and Paddon is over-drive himself. Neuville is clever and will grab points in the end. Neuville will be a match for Ogier in the comming rally's, the championship is still wide open and with a win from Latvala it's still a threesome.

You are by far the most sad boy here in the forum. What a waste of time you are, like many people saying; best to ignore you but sometimes i can't.

[KKS]

SS15 Päijälä 1, include Breen mistake
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHSYV--afxo
Same car movement as Meeke in Sweden and Meeke at Sardegna. But now speed isn't to high and quite big junction to runover.

So now it's clear. C3 - is a brilliant car and Breen with Meeke two crashers! :D
That's all Citroen technicians team should fuckup and go away!

[dimviii]

The big difference is that last year the road order on Saturday was same as on Friday, so Breen and other late starters benefited from that.

We know that you are a Meeke hater.And we are TIRED to listen you about him.

[dimviii]

tricky corner
https://www.ewrc-results.com/video/23376-neste-rally-finland-2017-ss15-paijala-action/

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DF5WTSZW0AAsYxk.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DF5WTSZXkAAxp12.jpg

[dimviii]

new photos from Veibys big crash

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DF5TusKXoAEPEd_.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DF5TyvnXgAIR-8D.jpg


TanakAir

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DF5gLQtXkAIgmOw.jpg

[Mise]

tricky corner
https://www.ewrc-results.com/video/23376-neste-rally-finland-2017-ss15-paijala-action/

Never understood this chearing, when some one goes off. It is an error, why would one be happy about it.

[Mirek]

133.5 km/h average

Judging by Sweden they should cancel second run... but already last year average on second run was 132.5, what's more it's going to be TV stage, so it won't get cancelled.

There is no speed limit in WRC.

[Oliverk]

Never understood this chearing, when some one goes off. It is an error, why would one be happy about it.

Well don't go off in Finland if you don't like the cheering. It's part of the rally in these areas.

[dimviii]

Well don't go off in Finland if you don't like the cheering. It's part of the rally in these areas.

a stupid part of rallying in Finland.

[Mise]

Well don't go off in Finland if you don't like the cheering. It's part of the rally in these areas.

I am from Finland, so I know all that. But I still don't get it. Why would some one be happy for a mistake.

[jonkka]

Read my post again - I said the PET & SD video's were deceptive.

You judge the speed of the car from a video? I need not say more...

[A FONDO]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIMQhiEwKoM Watch here from 6:01 onwards. Totally clueless Paddon again and all Citroens scared AF.

[Susiraja]

I am from Finland, so I know all that. But I still don't get it. Why would some one be happy for a mistake.

They love to watch crashes. Simple as that. I'm not a fan of "professional spectators", but atleast they are really fast to lift you back to the road.

[AnttiL]

There is no speed limit in WRC.

Basically there is a limit for the average speed.

Latvala's average speed so far is 125.9 kph and the rest of the stages are super fast. Meeke's average speed last year at this point was 124.7 kph.

[jonkka]

Basically there is a limit for the average speed.

Which is not in the rules as a written hard limit - it's arbitrary as per FIA's recommendation case by case.

[mknight]

We know that you are a Meeke hater.And we are TIRED to listen you about him.

Quote Originally Posted by mknight:
The big difference is that last year the road order on Saturday was same as on Friday, so Breen and other late starters benefited from that.

Breen (moved 2 places) and the other drivers that were close to their competitors on Friday and moved up/closed small gaps, like Østberg, Tanak and Paddon.
Meeke had good gap from friday and the differences vs Latvala on Saturday were too big to be only due to road postion.
Why do you have to see Meeke in everything I wonder.

[mknight]

Which is not in the rules as a written hard limit - it's arbitrary as per FIA's recommendation case by case.

Yet they cancelled the Sweden SS after 137 km/h average on first run.

[jonkka]

Yet they cancelled the Sweden SS after 137 km/h average on first run.

Point exactly, recommendation comes after the fact, not beforehand because there is no limit in the rules.

[Mirek]

Exactly, unlike in lower levels WRC has no explicit average speed limit. It's up to the FIA stewards to decide whether such stage is safe or not.

[dimviii]

https://www.ewrc-results.com/video/23377-neste-rally-finland-2017-paijala-crashes/

[Rally Power]

Neuville is an asphalt driver (...)

Honestly, it doesn’t make sense to still label Neuville as an asphalt driver. He started on it (like Ogier) but he’s in top level WRC since ’12 and has proven can be equally fast both on gravel and on tarmac. Hopefully this year title will be decided on Rally Australia last stage (fingers crossed) but Neuville has been the fastest guy around (more overall wins and SS’s wins) and Ogier recent results are showing he’s only at the front because of Neuville early season mistakes.

Btw, 3 Toy’s in the first 3 places: who would dream about it? Well done TGR!

[AL14]

Seven-tenths slower than Latvala on stage and the gap between them widens to 8.5sec. "I was fast and the time is bad. I can't understand it. I was fully on the limit and had no moments. That's why I am surprised the is so bad."

Maybe it's because Latvala has 10 years experience more than you Esapekka? Take that second place which is gold at your 4th event in a WRC.

[jonkka]

but Neuville has been the fastest guy around (more overall wins and SS’s wins) and Ogier recent results are showing he’s only at the front because of Neuville early season mistakes.

First part is exactly so - in the past seasons Ogier has led all statistics (wins, podiums, points, stage wins, stages in rally lead) with handsome lead. This season same honor rests at Neuville's lap or, at worse, he's tied with Ogier.

[A FONDO]

Red Bull began chatting live with Gronholm, cars should appear soon too.

https://www.redbull.tv/live/AP-1Q84GRYX11W11/fia-world-rally-championship

[AL14]

very smooth excursion by Tanak.

[EightGear]

'Ghost cars', is this 2005 or something?

[KKS]

wow, Meeke faster than Tanak. Drive like old Kris :)

[Jinu13]

Halfway through the live stage and my best mate calls me up crying saying she's lost her job and needs me to come over now. Nooooo! T_T

[A FONDO]

Nice commentary by the new guy. Definitely not missing Mike Chen's girlish overreacting.

[EightGear]

"Ai ai ai ai ai ai ai." - Marcus Gronholm, 2017.

[EightGear]

Latvala stopped!!

[KKS]

I'm bet on Latvala for Top3 ((( think it's guarantee

[Fast Eddie WRC]

So sad for Latvala.

[BigWorm]

Ouch, gotta hurt for Latvala.

[steve.mandzij]

Fuck this. Fucking hell. Poor Latvala.

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[Fast Eddie WRC]

WRC is so cruel at times.

[AL14]

what happened to Latvala? Mechanical issue?

[Eli]

what happened to Latvala? Mechanical issue?

Technical issue....gutted for Latvala, didn't deserve this...on a more positive note, everybody moves up a spot.

[steve.mandzij]

I want him to smash the rear window with his helmet.

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[Fast Eddie WRC]

Stunning drive by Lappi after seeing Latvala stopped. What a star.

[Eli]

Stunning drive by Lappi after seeing Latvala stopped. What a star.

Absolutely love him, so humble & modest, superstar!

[EightGear]

What a guy, Lappi. You get the sense that if he manages to win on his 4th World Rally Car outing tomorrow he will not be exactly jumping with joy.

[steve.mandzij]

Absolutely love him, so humble & modest, superstar!Incredible comments by Lappi, such a humble guy. Makes you wonder what Ogier or Neuville would have said.

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[COD]

The right Toyota driver now leading

[macebig]

Really bad luck for Latvala.He manages to have a clean season after so many problematic efforts the previous years, only to be let down by mechanical failures.If anything happens to Neuville, you can call Ogier the luckiest man alive...

[sonnybobiche]

God dammit.

[mknight]

Too bad for both Latvala and championship.

On a side note the conditions with more grip suit both Hyundai and C3 better with good time from both Neuville and Meeke. Breen also fast in first 1/2. For sure drivers also make a difference on this one.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Great example here with Østberg that sideways isnt the fastest way. Great to watch though and that jump was amazing again.

[USER47]

I guess Ostberg is doing it right thing this season. Since he's driving for the private team, he doesn't need to worry about manufacturer points. And when he hits issues or just doesn't have the speed to be in first 5 places, instead of just nursing the car to finish in some forgettable place, he just goes for maximum media exposure, for which sponsors will like him more than if he just did the safe boring drive.

His jumps and spectacular drifts will secure him the place in highlights videos and other media coverage, which is always nice for sponsors and the team.

[KKS]

Seems to be that every rally Toyota have problem car.... at previous rally it was a Juho car. Now Juho have issue free run and it should happen something.

[steve.mandzij]

The Toyota's only flaw has now surfaced for good: reliability. Structurally it's sturdy but it's clearly prone to engine and electrical issues

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[Fast Eddie WRC]

You judge the speed of the car from a video? I need not say more...

What else should I use to judge before the rally ? Did you know they would be so slow here then ?

And the Hyundai's have been fast everywhere else this year and were all looking quick and in Top 7 in SD ...

[jonkka]

What else should I use to judge before the rally ?

Nothing since I wait for the results which are the only thing that counts.

[JUF]

Too bad. Having been offline for a while (because roaming is too expensive in Ukraine; when do you become part of the EU @KKS ;)?) and then this happens :(. I can't imagine how Jari-Matti feels right now.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Things are now looking a bit better for M-Sport. Evans could yet get some very good manufacturer points and even Tanak should move up another place past Meeke.
And there are still PS points possible.

[stefanvv]

Teemu for the win now.

Hold Your horses.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Nothing since I wait for the results which are the only thing that counts.

Shame for you, that's so boring . The fun in life is in the anticipation and surprises.

[stefanvv]

Shame for you, that's so boring . The fun in life is in the anticipation and surprises.

There is no surprise Hyundai is slow here.

[KKS]

Too bad. Having been offline for a while (because roaming is too expensive in Ukraine; when do you become part of the EU @KKS ;)?) and then this happens :(. I can't imagine how Jari-Matti feels right now.
we try as hell :)
Have a nice time here in Ukraine :)

[AL14]

If it finish like this it would be maiden podium for all three drivers!

[steve.mandzij]

I take back what I said questioning what Ogier would have said if he'd inherited the lead today. Maybe while driving he wouldn't have been as humble as Lappi but he replied to Latvala's tweet, saying that he deserved more. He showed support, at least.

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[BigWorm]

Currently Esapekka's average speed this rally is 126.8 km/h. If that stands it will be the new fastest rally, Kris Meeke's 126.6 here last year is the fastest.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

There is no surprise Hyundai is slow here.

If you wait until after the results to say so.

[mknight]

What's Sunninen's plan for rest of the year?

On one side it would be nice to see him drive other events. On the other side I am afraid of him getting too fast into full time wrc and suffering Hirvonen/Evans/Camilli/Lefevbre issues.

[stefanvv]

If you wait until after the results to say so.

It is a surprise for me that people assume they'll be fastest everywhere.

[Andre Oliveira]

WRC2 and maybe WRC at Wales event if standings of WRC2 allow

[mknight]

WRC2 and maybe WRC at Wales event if standings of WRC2 allow

Good, he has shown speed and is (hopefully) not going into "have to win everything tomorrow" mode. Note that it's different for Lappi because of his long R5 experience and age.

[steve.mandzij]

Good, he has shown speed and is (hopefully) not going into "have to win everything tomorrow" mode. Note that it's different for Lappi because if his long R5 experience and age.If only we had Junior teams again, like Stobart and Citroën Junior WRT :(

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[CoyoteVillagra]

https://i.imgur.com/feFknMr.jpg

[mknight]

If only we had Junior teams again, like Stobart and Citroën Junior WRT :(

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I'd say it's much better now with 3rd nominated manu car that might score points.

[AnttiL]

Currently Esapekka's average speed this rally is 126.8 km/h. If that stands it will be the new fastest rally, Kris Meeke's 126.6 here last year is the fastest.

It will just get faster than that, the rest of the stages are super fast and Lempää does not even have chicanes.

[dimviii]

https://youtu.be/8I6_KkCogDM

[Mise]

Shame for you, that's so boring . The fun in life is in the anticipation and surprises.

Also fun to speculate between events and see the results and found out how I was this time :D

[Fast Eddie WRC]

It is a surprise for me that people assume they'll be fastest everywhere.

No-one said that. And I dont believe anyone thought they'd be slowest.

[mknight]

No-one said that. And I dont believe anyone thought they'd be slowest.

Certainly not after finishing 1-2-4 in Poland which is also a fast rally.

[dimviii]

Paddon hits the stone inside the road
https://twitter.com/HaydenPaddon/status/891277772630499328

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Aaaaad Tanak takes Meeke for 7th.. :)

[AnttiL]

Meeke has damaged the front of the car

[KKS]

Meeke - FR puncture.
Problems stick to him.

[AnttiL]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DF6eWfuXgAAYSUs.jpg

[KKS]

same rock as Paddon hit on 1st loop?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Go Elfyn, keep the pressure on ! :)

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DF6f5WRXoAAjjIH.jpg

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Sounds like Mads was verrrrrry lucky this time... :disturb:

[pino]

When you see an older Italian gentleman who speaks rubbish English, say hello from me.

The old Italian gentleman, says kujio to you ! :D