74th PZM Rally Poland

[ToKu]

Rally Guide was published this week:

http://www.rajdpolski.pl/pliki/zawodnicy/2017/tab/74rp_rallyguide_1.pdf

One thing we can tell for sure, friday's route will be exactly the same as in 2016.

See You on stages.

[sindroms]

Rally Guide was published this week:

http://www.rajdpolski.pl/pliki/zawodnicy/2017/tab/74rp_rallyguide_1.pdf

Stages comparison regarding to year 2014-2016 on page 27.

[swanny]

Just checked the other day. Looks like over 1000km each way for me :(

[Franky]

Just checked the other day. Looks like over 1000km each way for me :(

Just count cars with Estonian number plates and you'll know that they've driven and will drive as much as you.

[swanny]

Yes, true. The time I drove to San Remo (obviously many years ago) was also a long 3 days.

Are you going to be one of those sporting an EST?

[Franky]

Not this time. Plan is to be somewhere in Far East Russia, when the rally is run.

[Allar]

Can anyone tell something about the new stages? Anything worth watching there?

I´m looking forward to my first Rally Poland visit!

[ToKu]

Can anyone tell something about the new stages? Anything worth watching there?

I´m looking forward to my first Rally Poland visit!

As for new stages, well, organizer's policy is to keep everything secret, until championship regulations force him to reveal details.

IIRC stages maps are to be published no later then a month before rally. As soon as they'll be published, I'm going to drive through the stages, make a carcam movie during the process, publish them on YT and share links with forum users.

Here is our carcam from Wieliczki stage - this year's route is exatcly the same.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQhPr7V3srA

EDIT:
Stare Juchy carcam, stage is the same as in 2016

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PRDcw_Nta0

[polomayu]

Hi,
It will be my first time in poland, anyone of you can share me a photo of the both sides of the rally pass last year? And tell me if it is the same size as a credit card??
Any other advice for a rookie in rallye polnd?
Thanks.

[MartijnS]

You want to know if the pass fits in your wallet? :D

[GigiGalliNo1]

Sick dogs keep poking a stick at this rally... when will it end? :D

[rallyfiend]

Hi,
It will be my first time in poland, anyone of you can share me a photo of the both sides of the rally pass last year? And tell me if it is the same size as a credit card??
Any other advice for a rookie in rallye polnd?
Thanks.

Just buy a ticket like a normal person.

Stop trying to use this forum to commit some sort of fraud.

[cali]

Just buy a ticket like a normal person.

Stop trying to use this forum to commit some sort of fraud.
Actually heard that some of my compatriots have been using this method to print rallypass copies already last year.

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[dimviii]

Actually heard that some of my compatriots have been using this method to print rallypass copies already last year.

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old trick,even stickers for the car.

[SAS]

Hey guys. I am from New Zealand and am coming to watch WRC Rally Poland 2017, I have never traveled to Europe before and it will also be my first time spectating at a round of the WRC. I will be travelling on foot so transport is a problem for me. Basically if anyone is attending the event and has room to include a tag along like me I would be much appreciative! Also any information about the event would be great like where is the best place to stay and where do you buy tickets? The website "www.topracingshop.com" does not appear to be working?

Thanks so much!

[N.O.T]

Hi,
It will be my first time in poland, anyone of you can share me a photo of the both sides of the rally pass last year? And tell me if it is the same size as a credit card??
Any other advice for a rookie in rallye polnd?
Thanks.

Support your event you miserable low life and buy a pass...

You have one of the best events in the calendar, you should support it. Plus i doubt its expensive.

[ToKu]

Organizer have changed this year's route a little:

http://www.rajdpolski.pl/pliki/zawodnicy/2017/itinerary_comparison_orlen_74th_rally_poland_ver._ 4.2.pdf

so, Wieliczki SS (onboard was given before) is not the same as last year any more.

But I've found Goldap SS onboard (still the same):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lf1mdDPzdNs

and Świętajno SS onboard (still the same, just a little shorter, famous and probably longest jump in the rally 3:48):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CO7w87QQc6w

[tolx]

ToKu, looking forward to your videos, that would make a great help to choose spectating points. rally-maps.com have some maps already online, not sure how correct.
Do you think it would be possible to try and watch 3 stages on friday? Like ss3/5/9.
2 years ago organizers offered to obtain physical ticket in exchange for pay order in Mikolajki. This year only mailorder tickets?
Ok, poland is not so far away, but postal services sometimes gives a surprise.

[Mad Max]

rally-maps.com have some maps already online, not sure how correct.ON rally-maps teh stages the route is well shown - Kruklanki they will have an end in Gawliki Wielkie

Do you think it would be possible to try and watch 3 stages on friday? Like ss3/5/9Friday special stages are virtually identical to last year - only Wieliczki will be like 2016 with a bit longer.

If you want to watch more special stages on Friday, think about Chmielwo and Stare Juchy - the special stages are titled next to each other - 40km
At Chmielewo I recommend jump at the beginning of special stages (about 1.5km from the start)
both jumps are about 500m apart
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61KjyFw3nyM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgyYLElajPU

At Stare Juchy I recommend a place about 1km before Szczecinowo
All of the movie sites are 1km away
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZZ9LEwbSS8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkzGvefzEpU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvimM7tPY9M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrM912veRWs

[tolx]

Nice, thanks

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[papar007]

@ mad max Thanks
Can I ask something about the tickets? I want to visit shakedown sss and service park without any extra payment, what's the right ticket? Thanks

[Mad Max]

@ mad max Thanks
Can I ask something about the tickets? I want to visit shakedown sss and service park without any extra payment, what's the right ticket? ThanksI do not know if the entrance to the service park will be paid this year.
When it comes to shakedown, it will be possible to purchase a one way ticket before the entrance
If you buy the cheapest fan package you will be able to enter all the special stages, the shakedown and the service park
http://www.rallymerchandise.eu/product-eng-11994-2017-Rally-Poland-WRC-Rally-Pass.html
Alternatively, if you intend to use car parks prepared by the organizer, I recommend buying a parking sticker
http://www.rallymerchandise.eu/product-eng-11989-2017-Rally-Poland-WRC-Parking-Sticker.html

[papar007]

Thank you very much, what about the sss on mikolajki if I buy the silver pass will I have access?

[Mad Max]

Thank you very much, what about the sss on mikolajki if I buy the silver pass will I have access?Under each fan pack you have written what is included in its composition.
In the silver pass you have an additional Rally Program.
On Mikolajki SS I recommend buying a one-way ticket - you will then be able to choose the day you want to see this special stage, I recommend Friday - service park + SS Mikołajki
http://www.rallymerchandise.eu/search.php?node=&text=rally+poland

[papar007]

Thanks a lot, I would like to see sss Friday and Saturday that's why I'm asking.
I'll start questions again when the maps are on

[Oliverk]

Thanks a lot, I would like to see sss Friday and Saturday that's why I'm asking.
I'll start questions again when the maps are on

Buy silver pass. It's cheap and you get everywhere exept gold and vip tribune.

[Mad Max]

Buy silver pass. It's cheap and you get everywhere exept gold and vip tribune.Sorry but I was wrong, Oliverk is right - actually buying a sliver pass you will go everywhere, exept tribune.

[papar007]

No problem thanks for your time

[drive]

some kind of maps

https://scontent.fkun1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/18557337_1348966105186535_1392535050392232698_n.jp g?oh=1e3939205def22e6bab9864cf7722e4a&oe=599F5500

https://scontent.fkun1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/18619998_1348966115186534_1047329391623883433_n.jp g?oh=d5c1cee12d9415e00399bfdf5c274b1b&oe=59BF087B

https://scontent.fkun1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/18664396_1348966135186532_7491651097747379488_n.jp g?oh=d489fca95c5ebd654b86370a8fba51f4&oe=599EA137

[Mad Max]

At the bottom of the page, there are links to more detailed maps of each rally stages
http://www.rajdpolski.pl/pl/2017/kibice

[driverA]

Day 3 stages will be closed day before at 16:00? If i well understood..

Like 2014 was be last stages close day before..? (Baranowo SS24)

[Mad Max]

Day 3 stages will be closed day before at 16:00? If i well understood..
Like 2014 was be last stages close day before..? (Baranowo SS24)every day is to be closed at 16:00 on the previous day
Friday stages will be closed on Thursday
Saturday stages will be closed on Friday
Sunday stages will be closed on Saturday

[MYS]

every day is to be closed at 16:00 on the previous day
Friday stages will be closed on Thursday
Saturday stages will be closed on Friday
Sunday stages will be closed on Saturday

OK, but how can you get to Rally camps on stages???Some of them are in the places, where you have to drive on stage.....

[driverA]

It's really bold decision from organizator.. Really interested or actually will succeed closed stages day before...

[driverA]

What news about new stages?

Maybe who already have watching plan, and can share ?? :)

[SubaruNorway]

It's really bold decision from organizator.. Really interested or actually will succeed closed stages day before...

It's like this on all rounds i guess, they can't lock up every entry road though.

[driverA]

they can't lock up every entry road though.
I hope....

[tolx]

on 2015, we drove at least one of saturday stages on late friday evening with no problems.

[ToKu]

New onboards:

Orzysz:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AG-xgVHEYU0

Chmielewo:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XyJ44Y0c2M

[AnttiL]

According to Rally Guide 1, today is the closing day for entries and the entry list should be out next week's Monday.

[sindroms]

New onboards:

Orzysz:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AG-xgVHEYU0

Places where I watching it for a first time hit a "pause" button an did rewind - 2:31, 5:25, 6:57, 9:38, 14:35.
It doesn't means much - just a mark for a possible more serious research :)

[driverA]

Places where I watching it for a first time hit a "pause" button an did rewind - 2:31, 5:25, 6:57, 9:38, 14:35.
It doesn't means much - just a mark for a possible more serious research :)

to me appeared interesting spot 4:50 - 5:25. Interesting how is really visibility from 5:25.

[driverA]

Or possible watching WRC cars four times friday and saturday days. but as far as i understand needs to have VIP?
If i watch Chmielewo then Stare Juchy and again back Chmielewo. Saturday example watch pozezdre than Krunklanki and again back Pozezdre. How with traffic? as access roads?

[EstWRC]

this rally has Tänak's win written all over it

[Watson]

this rally has Tänak's win written all over it

It does but let's not jinx it ;)

[EstWRC]

Damn, I already regret writing it

[Watson]

Damn, I already regret writing it
I'm not superstitious I was just teasing you. :P

The chances that he will have his breakthrough in Poland or Finland are golden I reckon.

[GigiGalliNo1]

Tanak won't hit top 3 in final positions.

[Watson]

Tanak won't hit top 3 in final positions.

What are final positions?

[jbmarcus21]

Google Earth Map Rally Poland is online → http://bit.ly/2mxjL2j

[driverA]

Who is have saturday day watching plan? Maybe who is know about new stage (pozezdre), nice, effective places with side roads of stage?

And where recommend watch Kruklanki stage?

Every can contact with me private message. (PM)

[Andre Oliveira]

Suninen in Fiesta WRC17

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DBjRJFZXoAAfzEW?format=jpg&name=large

[EstWRC]

Suninen vs Lappi will be very interesting to watch!!!!

[Simmi]

Interested to see how well Chuchala goes in WRC2. That's cool to see. He looked impressive, albeit against limited GrpN competition, in ERC last year.

[Andre Oliveira]

Suninen deserve that opportunity. Lets see how he perform in sharks water

[KiwiWRCfan]

Can anyone explain reason Camilli is entered in RC2 but not in WRC2

[Andre Oliveira]

Cause he allready did 5 WRC2 points event

[AnttiL]

Suninen deserve that opportunity. Lets see how he perform in sharks water

Great to see him in a WRC car, but I believe his main target is Rally Finland which is his second confirmed WRC2017 event for this season in a Fiesta, and Poland is more for getting used to the car, getting stage kilometres and finding the setup.

[Andre Oliveira]

He tested Yaris WRC little time before sign M-Sport.

[AnttiL]

So who's gonna drive slower, Raoux or Serderidis?

[tommeke_B]

So who's gonna drive slower, Raoux or Serderidis?

Most likely Serderidis.

[AnttiL]

Most likely Serderidis.

Yeah, actually the question is, which gap is gonna be bigger, Gorban to Raoux or Raoux to Serderidis

[br21]

Interested to see how well Chuchala goes in WRC2. That's cool to see. He looked impressive, albeit against limited GrpN competition, in ERC last year.

The plan is to fight for top positions in WRC2, so we will see...

[ToKu]

Carcam onboard Pozezdrze:

https://youtu.be/Nw6ti_OSYL8

[br21]

Who is coming for the rally? Maybe we can meet somewhere?

[WRC1]

Who is coming for the rally? Maybe we can meet somewhere?

I will be at WRC Poland for the first time!!

[SAS]

I will be at WRC Poland for the first time!!

I'm keen to meet with people I also haven't been to Poland before!

[papar007]

I'm coming

[tolx]

Sadly, it looks like I would not come.
Maybe someone is interested to take over my booking?
It's 3 nights (from thursday evening) for 2 persons, in Biala Olecka, almost in the middle of fridays stages.
PM if interested or I will cancel it tomorrow evening.
And, if I manage to get last minute opportunity to attend - will it be possible to buy rallypass in petrol stations or rally HQ?

[ujtik1]

And, if I manage to get last minute opportunity to attend - will it be possible to buy rallypass in petrol stations or rally HQ?
Yes of course
Here you have a list of points of sale with opening hours (http://kibice.rajdpolski.pl/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/punkty-obslugi-kibica-1024x476.jpg)

[Franky]

I expect Poland to become even bigger Estonian village than it was last year now.

[papar007]

First time in Poland so I don't know much about your rally. I was wondering if someone could help me follow it. I'll be staying at Mikolajki and I'm going to spectate shakedown Friday and Saturday, if I can follow with my car someone local it would be great. Thank you!

[AnttiL]

So some speculations...

If we look at the past years results, we see that Ogier, Neuville, Latvala and Mikkelsen have been in top 6 each year (Latvala has been fifth every year). Tänak and Paddon have also shown good results in the last two years and Tänak won WRC2 in 2014.

Tänak the obvious favourite for a win, even before Sardinia. Ogier is first on the road but shouldn't matter that much in this rally, he'll be fast here. Evans a bit of a question mark, will there be a DMack advantage?
Neuville will be fast, as will be Paddon, but Neuville will finish more probably without any incidents. Not probaly the best rally for Sordo.
Latvala has been consistently slower than his teammates in the past. Lappi has downspoken his pace in the media, but he might surprise us. Hänninen probably won't be as impressive as in Sardinia.
Mikkelsen has been fast here, but it's hard to say if he has made the car fit his style during the testing or not. All in all it's hard to expect anything from the whole Citroen team. Even Lefebvre made a stage win last year, but also crashed.
Østberg wasn't up on the pace last year, not expecting much from him. And Suninen's main objective is probably Rally Finland so he's just using Poland to adapt to the car and find the setup, so I hope he just stays on the road and gets race mileage.
WRC2 will be again too easy for Tidemand?

[tomhlord]

So some speculations...

If we look at the past years results, we see that Ogier, Neuville, Latvala and Mikkelsen have been in top 6 each year (Latvala has been fifth every year). Tänak and Paddon have also shown good results in the last two years and Tänak won WRC2 in 2014.

Tänak the obvious favourite for a win, even before Sardinia. Ogier is first on the road but shouldn't matter that much in this rally, he'll be fast here. Evans a bit of a question mark, will there be a DMack advantage?
Neuville will be fast, as will be Paddon, but Neuville will finish more probably without any incidents. Not probaly the best rally for Sordo.
Latvala has been consistently slower than his teammates in the past. Lappi has downspoken his pace in the media, but he might surprise us. Hänninen probably won't be as impressive as in Sardinia.
Mikkelsen has been fast here, but it's hard to say if he has made the car fit his style during the testing or not. All in all it's hard to expect anything from the whole Citroen team. Even Lefebvre made a stage win last year, but also crashed.
Østberg wasn't up on the pace last year, not expecting much from him. And Suninen's main objective is probably Rally Finland so he's just using Poland to adapt to the car and find the setup, so I hope he just stays on the road and gets race mileage.
WRC2 will be again too easy for Tidemand?

Looks like it's shaping up for another M-Sport vs Hyundai tustle.

[mknight]

The only type of stages where Hyundais have not been that impressive this year is on very fast open roads... exactly like in Poland.
Ford seems to work better, maybe also cause it suits Tanak and Ogier.
Toyota prbly gets help from the extensive aero.
Citroen did not have much handling issues on that kind of stages and Mikkelsen says it has very strong engine.

So I expect Hyundai to struggle a bit. Also Ogier will still loose some due to cleaning, little in km/s but on these roads the differences will be small whole rally. Furthermore I don't expect much from Evans.

[Watson]

I'll go along with what you guys said. I expect Tanak to win it, Ogier and Latvala on the podium and Neuville and Lappi behind them. All the others could align in any way possible, making ground on potential problems or slipups of the ones mentioned above.

[Allar]

Hello,

on maps its says on many roads that Entrace only for VIP, Does it mean that you cant get further with a car unless you have a VIP sticker or does it mean that you cant get there on foot? Many spots where i plan to spectate are surrounded with Entrace only for VIP sings.

[MartijnS]

You can't get further with a car without a VIP sticker.

[Allar]

You can't get further with a car without a VIP sticker.

But onfoot i can get in with a normal pass?

[Mad Max]

But onfoot i can get in with a normal pass?Yes you can

[Simorally86]

Hi guys i Will be in Poland for the first time this year.. i bought normal rally pass but i just see that on saturday most of the access are just for vip.. how far from the stage they Will stop me with the car?
Looking at the timetable 4 stages a day it Will be quite easy.. any suggestion where i can find jumps on friday or saturday?
Thanks a lot

[Mad Max]

Simorally86 - in Polish on jumps we say Hopa
Interactive map - after selecting the day, rally stages, you select the point you are interested in - and information about this point is displayed.
http://rally-poland-maps.topracing.pl/
Jumps on friday
SS Chmielewo 6) Nowa Wieś
SS Świętajno 21) Rosochackie
SS Stare Juchy 30) Szczecinowo 2

[papar007]

At Chmielewo I recommend jump at the beginning of special stages (about 1.5km from the start)
both jumps are about 500m apart
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61KjyFw3nyM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgyYLElajPU


How can i go there, by the start of the stage or there is a road?

[Allar]

How can i go there, by the start of the stage or there is a road?

there is a hairpin 50m from the start, i go from there.

Can anyone recommend some good spot for 2th day?

[Simorally86]

Thanks a lot Max! Very helpful! Ì was really looking for the jump on Chmielewo stage😉
Abu suggestion for saturday stages?

[Mad Max]

Thanks a lot Max! Very helpful! Ì was really looking for the jump on Chmielewo stage��
Abu suggestion for saturday stages?You're welcome
With the recommendation of some places on Saturday is a problem because rally stages have never been played in such a configuration (except Gołdap which is the same as last year)

[diegoalju]

Hi guys! It will be my first time in the Polan Rally this year and I would like to ask you for help in locating a couple of jumps.
Could you tell me where these jumps are?

1347

In this video.... https://youtu.be/zXJIM5SjSL0
the jump in the 25 seconds and 1min30 seconds... where is it?

And, finally, this one:
1348
1349

thanks a lot!!!

[Mad Max]

In this video.... https://youtu.be/zXJIM5SjSL0
the jump in the 25 seconds and 1min30 seconds... where is it?this is SS Babki - it will not be this year


And, finally, this one:
1348
1349SS Świętajno - this is halfway stages - it is about 1km in front of Dobka village

[diegoalju]

this is ss babki - it will not be this year

ss Świętajno - this is halfway stages - it is about 1km in front of dobka village

thanks a lot

[diegoalju]

Hi! In my previous post, I missed a photo...

1350

This Jump is the one on the SS Babki? Or, is it in other SS?

Thanks again!!

[szymon189]

Passworded documents and onboards from official site.

https://wetransfer.com/downloads/d6ec422bc24d64d5273da681f9ee33db20170621143350/a9d7f0e560b25e4c300234e16af9f5b520170621143350/8a2f43

https://wetransfer.com/downloads/0dbc0c72e6b467826cb0ef0a4d8cff1420170621143416/d431399a445e3631e308283195f0348020170621143416/8b156e

Enjoy !

[Lead]

Big thanks for the files!

[diegoalju]

this is SS Babki - it will not be this year

SS Świętajno - this is halfway stages - it is about 1km in front of Dobka village

Hi! In my previous post, I missed a photo...

1351

This Jump is the one on the SS Babki? Or, is it in other SS?

Thanks again!!

[Mad Max]

This Jump is the one on the SS Babki? Or, is it in other SS?Yes it is the same jump from Babki

szymon189 Great Thanks from Polish fans

[driverA]

How will be with access to stage from evening?

Photo from autoklub.pl/forum --- > https://www.fotosik.pl/zdjecie/cf98cbee3c961619 In there photo on road sign write stage will be closed evening before rally day 16:00.

But in official document RallyGuide 2, we have Road closing time table, there is different times :confused:
1352

It's a trick from the organizer? Protect from too many spectators?

[Mad Max]

Rally stages and access roads are two different things

As it is not known what it is - it is always the same $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Polish organizers of their shortcomings and underdevelopment always dropped on the fans, roads are blocked due to their safety and insecurity from previous years. In addition, the organizer claims that spectators' viewing punts are designated at the most attractive venues - and as you well know it is not - because they are set only for easy access.
In addition, these blocks are designed to prevent fans from camping at rally stages which for many are an unmatched element of every rally.
Year after year, foreign fans are getting less and less frequent but this year's trend will be even more visible - anyway, just look at this forum and this topic to see that Rally Poland does not arouse some great interest among fans from other countries
The last thing is that it is increasingly said that Rally Poland will be the last time in the WRC so the organizers will get away from the fans as much money.

In every country in the world Rally WRC is a holiday for the fans, unfortunately in Poland is not - this rally is simply sad.

Unfortunately, the conversation has been going on for a few years now, and the unstable is not changing, the unstable is changing only for the worse
If anyone wants to read more what Polish fans think about this rally then I invite you to forum - In the themes of the previous edition of the rally only the same texts repeat
http://www.autoklub.pl/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=6031

[Oliverk]

What the hell are you talking about. Half of Estonia will be in Poland from Thursday onwards. Your rally organizing is supreme if we count rally maps, access roads and "free" parking in fields. I have at least 11 stages in my schedule i can see easily and stage hopping is relatively easy. Tickets are cheap, hotels are really cheap. Food is cheap. Beer is cheap. Best place to have rally imo. Only polish spectators are one of the worst. You need SWAT teams to get them away from dangerous places and it's miracle if stage is not stopped because of spectators.

[papar007]

11 stages? Can I follow you?

[Mad Max]

Only polish spectators are one of the worst.Polish fans are the worst? It is interesting because I see here also the Estonian flag
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lg2Q8d-TNPQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GihG7bs89ro
If the organizer has taken care of his duties in securing the episodes, he would not have problems with fans - somehow in other countries my compatriots have no problem

Cheap ?? Are we talking about the cost or organization of this rally??
Please also explain why most blockades can be overcome by buying a VIP rally pass which is four times more expensive than a normal rally pass?? I always thought that the VIP at the party is staying, not that you can buy it.

Can you give me the name of the second so locked up for rally fans in WRC ??

Free parking on the ground ?? 2km before the blockade, you will have a forbidden entry sign under the threat of towing the car.

This is maps of SS Paprotki which will be Power Stages - on 18,68km - For the fans there are 5 places to watch and one car - explain why I have blocked the roads which I marked in blue (there are wide roads where you can pass the trucks) - Do you think this is the highest level organization ??
http://i1068.photobucket.com/albums/u453/madmaxwrc/Rally/paprotki_zpsnfenvthc.png (http://s1068.photobucket.com/user/madmaxwrc/media/Rally/paprotki_zpsnfenvthc.png.html)

I have been on this rally since 2005, I know every year, I know how this rally looked like and I see how this rally looks now and I'm just sad.

[Oliverk]

My tickets cost me 300€ This is for one VIP and 3 silver tickets this includes VIP parking ticket. So divided to company of four people 75€ per face. This includes everything. In Findland i have to pay 55-110€ extra for parking in 11 stages and regular ticket is same price. So it looks cheap to me. And last year i had regular tickets in Rally Poland and walking wasn't that bad. Finland is way worse.
And those blue roads are emergency evacuation roads in Rally Guide 2 thats why they are blocked.

[dimviii]

Suninen aims for top 6
http://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/news/june-2017/suninen-wrc-debut/page/4636--12-12-.html

[BigWorm]

Suninen aims for top 6
http://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/news/june-2017/suninen-wrc-debut/page/4636--12-12-.html

Very optimistic

[AnttiL]

Would be realistic in Finland and what he needs to do to have a drive next year.

[nafpaktos]

Suninen aims for top 6
http://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/news/june-2017/suninen-wrc-debut/page/4636--12-12-.html
only if the other drivers have problems otherwise no.i would like to know if he means that he could reach top six only with his speed????

[AnttiL]

The actual quote is

I would say finishing in the top six would be great, without any mistakes or without any problems
So he actually admits it would be a great result to be in the top six and it would require no problems on the way. So it's not like he's saying he's gonna be in the top six.

[Mad Max]

My tickets cost me 300€ This is for one VIP and 3 silver tickets this includes VIP parking ticket. So divided to company of four people 75€ per face. This includes everything.
And last year i had regular tickets in Rally Poland and walking wasn't that bad. Finland is way worse.You just confirmed what I wrote earlier - not to walk this year you bought a more expensive VIP ticket (599pln - 4dni) to drive under special stages - what interesting in 2011 episodes were not so blocked and the possibility to drive under special stages was 50pln (in three days)

And those blue roads are emergency evacuation roads in Rally Guide 2 thats why they are blocked.Okay, two of these roads are actually emergency evacuation roads - just why can one of the VIP Pass fans in?? I also understand that if the number of VIP Pass fans decide to use this route, then also will not be a problem??

I will repeat only what the fans say in Poland - the problem is not money because 149 pln is a very good price, only that the episodes are blocked and inaccessible for fans

Everyone knows that this rally can be great, by just why from one year to another he comes to him fewer and fewer fans ??

[itix]

Still no pickems for Poland?
Don't want to stress mintex etc, but I am forgetful.

[AnttiL]

I wonder how Neuville's Ypres crash affects his confidence. That must remind him of Monte and Sweden failures.

[EstWRC]

IMO it wont affect him at all, totally different rally


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DDE1Fk9XcAA1t6k.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DDE1T5-WAAAEjk9.jpg

[AnttiL]

Toyota press release http://toyotagazooracing.com/release/2017/wrc/rd08-preview.html

M-Sport press stuff

http://www.m-sport.co.uk/m-sport-news/fiesta-rs-wrc/prepared-to-push-at-rally-poland

http://www.m-sport.co.uk/m-sport-news/fiesta-rs-wrc/suninen-takes-the-next-step

[steve.mandzij]

I expect the Toyotas to really fight for the victory here. As seen in Sweden, fast roads make the Yaris the car to beat.

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[BigWorm]

Better to have a crash in Ypres than in Poland...

Yaris should be fast but the question is if Latvala has gotten over Poland 2009? Last three rallies here it doesn't seem like he has. For a rally that should suit him perfectly he really hasn't lived up to the expectations.

[electroliquid]

Yaris should be fast but the question is if Latvala has gotten over Poland 2009? Last three rallies here it doesn't seem like he has. For a rally that should suit him perfectly he really hasn't lived up to the expectations.

This year Latvala looks like other person, so it could be good rally for him finally...

[BigWorm]

This year Latvala looks like other person, so it could be good rally for him finally...

Let's see, I get the feeling too but that would be a jinx.

Whoops

[JUF]

This year Latvala looks like other person, so it could be good rally for him finally... Well, luckily Maisa agreed to marry him, otherwise a sensitive guy like Jari-Matti would be rather depressed I think :D. I expect him to be able to fight for the win aswell.

[racerx1979]

A chick like Maisa could do wonders for your confidence, but can just as easily frustrate the sh!t out of your soul. Let's hope it's not the latter :)

Congrats to Latvala though. Hope the Toyota gang do well in Poland.

[mknight]

Never been a fan of Latvala, specially in the later VW years. Constant issues with confidence/setup/car and constant excuses by his fans (blaming the team for favoring Ogier)...++.

But have to say I am very impressed by him this year.
Within a month with him at the team the Toyota tarmac vids showed a massive improvement. Driving rallies he's both reasonably fast and keeping it on the road without issues when he cant charge for wins. (One crash in 7 rallies is totally normal)

That said since this is Rally Poland thread I don't see him as the main favorite for win, that's Tanak due to his last year performance, recent performance in Sardinia and road position. But Latvala is probably about equal favorite with Neuville to round up the top 3. Ogier will likely loose too much with road position.
Paddon is the joker here but those two off might dent his confidence.

Mikkelsen, Breen and Lappi are candidates for top 5 and some fast times here and there but don't expect sustained top 3 performance. Especially if it rains at some point.

[Tarmop]

Tänak will definitely be strong in this event, but maybe it`s too much to expect the same kind of performance this year. He admitted himself that last year he had some better aces (DMack+ road position in addition to his favourite kind of roads ) and wanted to take his first victory very badly and still all this meant taking big risks, hence the emotional finish. As he said it himself, podium would be nice in this tough competition...ofcourse me, other fans and probaly himself secretly want a win.

[Eli]

Just checked and it is scheduled to rain on Friday & Sunday....will be very interesting to say the least...

[Kasia]

If anybody is going to Poland and still looking for accommodation next to the Rally please contact me. My Polish colleague is willing to rent a residence (one group - max 10 WRC fans )

[Tauri_J]

Just checked and it is scheduled to rain on Friday & Sunday....will be very interesting to say the least...

well the forecast has been changing every day

but thunderstorms and downpours are expected right now

[AnttiL]

WRC+ shows five live stages: friday's last super special, saturday's first (both runs) and power stage (both runs). Nice!

[Watson]

well the forecast has been changing every day

but thunderstorms and downpours are expected right now

That would mean an advantage for the frontrunners, right?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

That would mean an advantage for the frontrunners, right?

Yes, or at least less of a disadvantage to sweeping dry gravel.

[BigWorm]

That would mean an advantage for the frontrunners, right?

Makes the road messier for each pass

[Watson]

It would be interesting to see a wet rally. There hasn't been one this season.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

@SebOgier re arranging for rain:
I wish I could do that sometimes but only nature decides.��
5 days to go let's wait and see but for sure I'll do the rain dance the whole week.��

[AnttiL]

My forecasts are giving more or less rain for all weekend

[nafpaktos]

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Stéphane Lefebvre ·

Really happy to go to Rajd Polski | Rally Poland! I really like this event. I have been quick here in the last three years, regardless of the category. Last year, I also had the pleasure of claiming my first proper stage win in the WRC, as the leaders were fighting for first place. I know how to drive on these roads and my confidence was boosted by the test sessions. The stages are quite similar to those in Finland, with narrower roads and looser surfaces. There are also long sections through the fields, which are very fast but with few landmarks. My goal is to make it to the finish and put an end to the poor run of results I've had recently. Thank you for your support!

[GigiGalliNo1]

I hated the rally. Simple.

[KiwiWRCfan]

Martin Holmes preview of Poland http://www.rallysportmag.com.au/home/wrc/11562-wrc-preview-rally-of-poland

[tommeke_B]

Tomorrow it's time to pack the bags. The weather forecast seems to change very often and be different from website to website. I think I need Bluuford to be sure which weather we'll have. :D

[EstWRC]

so rallying week again.

At the moment, if i look at different forecasts then it seems we will definitely have some rain before or even during the rally.

I looked back past 3 year results and the names who have done well here and shown good speed are Ogier, Tänak, Paddon and Mikkelsen. If it doesnt rain then Tänak is the slight favourite for me and not because the sardinia win, he was the favourite even before that and he has a really good record here. And having followed his season closely then majority of his stage wins have been on fastest stages on rallies and he has gained a lot of time in the fastest sections.

If it rains then i think Ogier will be the favourite. Latvala surprisingly doesnt have a good record here, hasnt even reached the podium in past 3 years . Same could be said about Neuville, 3rd in 2014 is his best result.

Mikkelsen has been very good every year but we dont know if he has managed to get a good setup now. i expect him to fight for the podium here. Paddon has shown very good speed in past and his starting position is very good.


Lappi is the dark horse and may surprise big time again.

[dimviii]

Mikkelsen aims for podium
http://www.andreasmikkelsen.com/news/2017-06-26-andreas-mikkelsen-aims-for-rally-poland-podium

[stefanvv]

so rallying week again. At the moment, if i look at different forecasts then it seems we will definitely have some rain before or even during the rally. I looked back past 3 year results and the names who have done well here and shown good speed are Ogier, Tänak, Paddon and Mikkelsen. If it doesnt rain then Tänak is the slight favourite for me and not because the sardinia win, he was the favourite even before that and he has a really good record here. And having followed his season closely then majority of his stage wins have been on fastest stages on rallies and he has gained a lot of time in the fastest sections.If it rains then i think Ogier will be the favourite. Latvala surprisingly doesnt have a good record here, hasnt even reached the podium in past 3 years . Same could be said about Neuville, 3rd in 2014 is his best result.Mikkelsen has been very good every year but we dont know if he has managed to get a good setup now. i expect him to fight for the podium here. Paddon has shown very good speed in past and his starting position is very good.Lappi is the dark horse and may surprise big time again.There is no Tanak whatsoever bias here, I'm a bit surprised. Looks like going to be good rally for Ford, especially if there is some D-Mack advantage for Evans. Let's see, hopefully no technical issues for them.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Neuville's roll in Ypres wont do his confidence any good going into this super-fast rally. Any of the M-Sport boys could take advantage.

After watching Østberg testing I cant wait to see the fan videos from Poland. If the 2016 cars looked quick last time, the '17 cars will be insane.

[Watson]

There is no Tanak whatsoever bias here, I'm a bit surprised. Looks like going to be good rally for Ford, especially if there is some D-Mack advantage for Evans. Let's see, hopefully no technical issues for them.

I think DMack will have a disadvantage since it will probably be raining and rather cool and their soft compound is harder than Michelin's.

[bociekgc8]

If someone wanted a commemorative tshirt from the Rally Poland I would be at the orlen station after the shakedown. Price 15 EU.
1355

[Kristaps]

Hi! Could you give me advice, where is spectacular places in SS Kruklani and SS Pozezdrze? And what to choose in sunday - SS Orzysz or SS Paprotki?

[A FONDO]

Neuville's roll in Ypres wont do his confidence any good going into this super-fast rally. Any of the M-Sport boys could take advantage.

After watching Østberg testing I cant wait to see the fan videos from Poland. If the 2016 cars looked quick last time, the '17 cars will be insane.

Fast rallies aren't more difficult. In Baltics generally you keep 120-180kph most of the time, in 5th-6th gear (with evo9 don't even bother shifting). In Ypres OTOH there are big retardations every few hundred meters, there's no rythm to get used to, constant stress.

About the spectacle - I hope they won't brake too much for the flatout jumps they were making last year.

[wwbroe]

Maybe some locals can tell us more about the weather predictions, seems Bluuford is not around?;)

[EstWRC]

he cant reveal the secrets because he is working for m-sport now :)

[tommeke_B]

He can always reveal them in PM. :D

[Zeakiwi]

The Norwegian weather website has a light shower of rain for shakedown.
https://www.yr.no/place/Poland/Warmia-Masuria/Miko%C5%82ajki/
See if it changes between now and Thursday.

[drive]

any changes to special stages? as I saw Colin's video of the end of SS12/16 with some bad road conditions and someone in comments said that that stage will be shortened.

Video: https://www.facebook.com/voiceofrally/videos/779416455554353/

[EstWRC]

yes, SS3/7 and SS12/16 are shortened by 0.9km and 3.04kms from the end.


http://www.rajdpolski.pl/en/2017/notice-board

bulletin nr3 and nr4

[bluuford]

Yes, weather will be tricky.
Tomorrow, Wednesday arrives strong rain, some places get more, some less.

Thursday, shakedown morning is rainy, but it gets better at around the start of the shakedown. temperature rises very quickly to bearly +30 degrees and very strong thunder is likely in the afternoon, weather clears up by evening.

It is likely that next two days (Friday, Saturday) are mostly dry on the stages, only some isolates showers on Friday afternoon.

Sunday is likely very wet in the morning with some moderate rain. Then it gets better and foggy rain during the Powerstage is the most loikely option.

To be honest, forecats for Poland will be on half-day-basis and long term prediction is not very reliable.

[dimviii]

Suninens fiesta


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DDWZKUJXUAE8PWY.jpg

[Tarmop]

Is this the car that was previously rented to Bertelli?

[AnttiL]

Is this the car that was previously rented to Bertelli?

Martin Holmes's preview says so.

[Andre Oliveira]

Evans with Ott's Sardegna winning car :)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DDWdTKTXcAAfWFW.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DDWdTKTXcAEFHGl.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DDWdTKQXcAAwk8p.jpg

[steve.mandzij]

Evans with Ott's Sardegna winning car :)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DDWdTKTXcAAfWFW.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DDWdTKTXcAEFHGl.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DDWdTKQXcAAwk8p.jpg
Why do Tanak and Ogier have WRT license plates but Evans has a PX?

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[EstWRC]

so Meeke is there after all, i thought he wont even do a recce

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DDVd2pFXYAAd2xj.jpg

https://twitter.com/KibiceKubicy/status/879713093860950019

[garais22]

Sorry friends, but can You tell me please in which SS and in which place is this jump?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lg2Q8d-TNPQ

Maybe You can suggest some other big jump with some easy access?

Thanks

[AnttiL]

Why do Tanak and Ogier have WRT license plates but Evans has a PX?

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All M-Sport cars initially have a PX66 D?? for a license plate, but there's just some custom license plates for the M-Sport drivers, it's always WRT 1 for Seb and WRT 2 for Ott (and F10 WRT for Bertelli).

[Tarmop]

WRT numberplates belong to a Ford dealership in Scotland, "The number plates have been loaned to the team by W R Tullock and Sons Limited – the longest established Ford Dealer in Scotland". Full article: http://www.m-sport.co.uk/m-sport-news/fiesta-rs-wrc/special-plates-for-a-special-season

They do look nicer...

[br21]

I'm there from tomorrow morning, most of the time in and around service. So if you will have time step in to say hello.

[AnttiL]

WRT numberplates belong to a Ford dealership in Scotland, "The number plates have been loaned to the team by W R Tullock and Sons Limited – the longest established Ford Dealer in Scotland". Full article: http://www.m-sport.co.uk/m-sport-news/fiesta-rs-wrc/special-plates-for-a-special-season

They do look nicer...

Here's info on the car chassises and the license plates https://www.ewrc-results.com/cars/69-ford-fiesta-wrc-17/

[Watson]

Here's info on the car chassises and the license plates https://www.ewrc-results.com/cars/69-ford-fiesta-wrc-17/

So Ott now has chassis #8?

[Andre Oliveira]

Don’t know. Could be test car... as Ex Ogier now is test car

[bugwrx]

Ott got brand new car for rally poland.

[Watson]

Don’t know. Could be test car... as Ex Ogier now is test car

When you go to number plate WRT 2 and look at Rally Poland it has a question mark where the chassis number should be. I doubt they would downgrade Tanak to a test car after the win in Italy. I read somewhere in this forum that Ogier will get a new chassis in Germany. So the most likely thing in my mind is that they built a new one for Ott for this rally.

[Andre Oliveira]

Mr Watson, eWRC-results.com is my work (my team) ;) Lets wait more news ;)

[Watson]

Mr Watson, eWRC-results.com is my work (my team) ;) Lets wait more news ;)

Oh you're a contributor in that page?

[Andre Oliveira]

Yes, i am one of admins :)

[Watson]

Yes, i am one of admins :)

In this case let me say thank you for your hard work. eWRC is one of my daily must see pages. I appreciate all the sweat that you must put into it. Keep it up! :)

[Andre Oliveira]

Thanks :) not bad for amateurs ah? Back to topic, Holmes preview not totally accurate ... http://www.rallysportmag.com.au/home/wrc/11562-wrc-preview-rally-of-poland

[PLuto]

When you go to number plate WRT 2 and look at Rally Poland it has a question mark where the chassis number should be. I doubt they would downgrade Tanak to a test car after the win in Italy. I read somewhere in this forum that Ogier will get a new chassis in Germany. So the most likely thing in my mind is that they built a new one for Ott for this rally.

It is not necessary that number plate and chassis number must be always same...

[Andre Oliveira]

For sure not, more in those special plates with some meaning ;) Ogier with two chassis in same plate till now

[Watson]

It is not necessary that number plate and chassis number must be always same...

I'm aware of that. But the number plate (at least in this case) gives away the driver and I wanted to find out which chassis he will be using in Poland. That's why I took that toad.

[AnttiL]

Current forecasts showing some rain for friday, almost dry for saturday and heavy rain for sunday

[ToKu]

The thing that worries me the most is heavy rain on thursday late evning.
SS surface won't bear two passes if it will be wet. Just like last year Baranowo stage and both lithuanian stages in 2014.

[GigiGalliNo1]

I have a funny feeling Andreas will do really good this weekend

[Simmi]

Hopefully we won't see too many cancellations and further route changes. The stages are going to get torn to bits. Really excited for the rally. Really a sense of excitement ahead of all the events this year - which hasn't been the case for a while.

[racerx1979]

I have a funny feeling Andreas will do really good this weekend

Would be an amazing transformation after two days of testing. I think he was sand bagging a little in Sardegna. This way everyone wins.. he looks good and the team looks good. The clueless bean counters high up are happy

[EstWRC]

https://scontent-otp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/19238275_1396203327126232_7076996973885264955_o.jp g?oh=106bdebf13d157f527b07a102f62cb99&oe=5A10CF0A
https://scontent-otp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/19620561_1396203390459559_2546490045984602922_o.jp g?oh=11117354329f2052b891a0f5c33b1e75&oe=59C84435
https://scontent-otp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/19452984_789878717850140_1125577523235560084_o.jpg ?oh=ce484b165bc3c9e35d6e1ec2be82f2a0&oe=59CA8391
https://scontent-otp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/19466385_789877907850221_4453696535301105953_o.jpg ?oh=74f5d8723f67223dd76cd6e756bf1c05&oe=59DDC4D3
https://scontent-otp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/19453190_789879751183370_1011023079555927263_o.jpg ?oh=895faa98bf05aa5c8f1334034576c969&oe=59DFD9F0
https://scontent-otp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/19467912_798168430338674_5619572274114918255_o.jpg ?oh=e223034766aebf709f833addf71e8886&oe=59D8F3E0

[AnttiL]

Would be an amazing transformation after two days of testing. I think he was sand bagging a little in Sardegna. This way everyone wins.. he looks good and the team looks good. The clueless bean counters high up are happy

But he has made great results in Poland for last three years, whereas he hasn't in Sardinia. I'm expecting him to do better. The only question mark is the newly homologated parts of the car.

[EstWRC]

https://scontent-otp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/19466352_1396557760424122_4450406719593081433_o.jp g?oh=81c8dea39d7d2a2d72a284ac09b2ec6b&oe=5A0B8A39
https://scontent-otp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/19488857_1396559200423978_5167300785657203058_o.jp g?oh=fa9e6dab10a51ae311d7f29fecb51a57&oe=59CB0E56
https://scontent-otp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/19477537_1396556283757603_7007306191811000357_o.jp g?oh=aa8e410012f521366826e8e40ecb5a1e&oe=59C8BDC2
https://scontent-otp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/19477448_798168063672044_5662371526495281497_o.jpg ?oh=e39246866fffa565371a0340ca996d44&oe=59DBC537
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DDb5WBuWsAAFGbh.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DDb3subW0AAdn-c.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DDbU5LNXsAA0g6l.jpg

[dimviii]

Becs Williams‏

Big thunder and lightning storm in Mikolajki. Best place to listen to it? In bed! #WRCWeather

[EstWRC]

yeah, estonians also reporting in forum that it is raining heavily now.

[AnttiL]

And shakedown's running, first four drivers already through:


1. #5 flag Neuville Thierry - Gilsoul N. icon Hyundai i20 Coupe WRC 2:15.3
2. #2 flag Tänak Ott - Järveoja Martin icon Ford Fiesta WRC '17 2:15.9
3. #10 flag Latvala J. - Anttila M. icon Toyota Yaris WRC 2:16.5
4. #1 flag Ogier S. - Ingrassia J. icon Ford Fiesta WRC '17 2:16.8

https://www.ewrc-results.com/shake/36431-orlen-rally-poland-2017/

[AnttiL]

Current forecast is some rain and thunder for today, heavy rain for friday noon, some rain for friday evening, all dry for saturday and both sunshine and thunder for sunday...

[EstWRC]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DDd-0ImXsAAtI24.jpg

[EstWRC]

after first run

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DDeCfXlWAAQsBv4.jpg

[PLuto]

After first loop of shakedown, all Citroens slowest WRC17 cars with exception of newcomer Suninen.

http://www.e-pluto.cz/poland_shake_1.jpg

[mknight]

After first loop of shakedown, all Citroens slowest WRC17 cars with exception of newcomer Suninen.



After the first loop of shakedown on Monte, Fabia R5 was faster than all WRC17 cars except Ogier ;)

[WRC1]

Ambulance on the stage after sunninen and tanak... 🤔

[AnttiL]

Ambulance on the stage after sunninen and tanak... ��

Suninen and Tänak both had second round times. Suninen was matching Evans' pace on the second round.

[EstWRC]

yes, they both have completed, Tänak fastest and Suninen as fast as Evans. Proved his time by 5.2 seconds.

[Lead]

Is stage stopped?

[drive]

Yes, safety car observing crowds...

[EstWRC]

i heard someone got hit by a stone badly.

[AnttiL]

Yes, safety car observing crowds...

https://twitter.com/EpicRallyTribe/status/880319719760437248

There's probably need for that...

[WRC1]

Stage is still stopped, but Thx for the Infos!! I can hear cars going to the start..

[EstWRC]

every year the same problem, i will be surprised if this rally is on calendar next year...FIA have forgiven them many times already.

[Lead]

every year the same problem, i will be surprised if this rally is on calendar next year...FIA have forgiven them many times already.

My prediction also. This is probably the last time we see Poland in WRC calendar.

[WRC1]

Zero cars came trough!

[PLuto]

Stage continue.

[Allez Andruet]

What's wrong with Polish rally "fans"? Are they trying to ruin everything on purpose? Idiots...

[cali]

What's wrong with Polish rally "fans"? Are they trying to ruin everything on purpose? Idiots...
They are from different cultural sphere - eastern european style! Unfortunately so, same applies for a lot of my compatriots...

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[Lead]

What's wrong with Polish rally "fans"? Are they trying to ruin everything on purpose? Idiots...

You know... be closer to cars, take a close photo or video, get your adrenaline pump up, few beers in... Who cares about safety???

[EstWRC]

security guy almost got run over by Breen

[electroliquid]

I don't know whats wrong with them, but I think rally specifics cause spectator safety issues - stages are mainly in open fields, there is lack of natural obstacles - rocks, water, swamps and other which prevent spectators from being near road as close as possible or let them spectate from rocks near road, or from hill to see long distance of stage. Maybe there is another causes related with behavior, but landscape isn't very friendly to spectate also + very fast stages, and result is what it is..

[electroliquid]

They are from different cultural sphere - eastern european style! Unfortunately so, same applies for a lot of my compatriots...

...same here..

[cali]

I don't know whats wrong with them, but I think rally specifics cause spectator safety issues - stages are mainly in open fields, there is lack of natural obstacles - rocks, water, swamps and other which prevent spectators from being near road as close as possible or let them spectate from rocks near road, or from hill to see long distance of stage. Maybe there is another causes related with behavior, but landscape isn't very friendly to spectate also..
Nah, It's peoples mentality issue, nothing more

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[sindroms]

They are from different cultural sphere - eastern european style! Unfortunately so same applies for a lot of my compatriots...

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Beside it Poland are very unfriendly in terms to hold fans back from track - mighty open field areas without trees or forest which could serve as some natural barrier.

[AnttiL]

Suninen's third run as fast as Tänak on second. Way to go!:cool:

[EstWRC]

nice one SUninen! 3rd pass as fast as Tänak!

[cali]

Beside it Poland are very unfriendly in terms to hold fans back from track - mighty open field areas without trees or forest which could serve as some natural barrier.
Interestingly in Finland I see no real reasons for any kind of barriers, natural or artificial. But try to stay too close to the road and some of the locals will loudly remind you about this.

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[AnttiL]

Interestingly in Finland I see no real reasons for any kind of barriers, natural or artificial.

At least ditches and banks...

[EstWRC]

-and then comes Tänak with a 2.12.3

[electroliquid]

Interestingly in Finland I see no real reasons for any kind of barriers, natural or artificial. But try to stay too close to the road and sone of the locals will loudly remind you about this.

It's not very fair to compare Poland rally with Finland rally, basically not fair compare any rally with Finland - they has so strong rallying and spectating traditions, that other can only learn from finns.

[NickRally]

It's not very fair to compare Poland rally with Finland rally, basically not fair compare any rally with Finland - they has so strong rallying and spectating traditions, that other can only learn from finns.

So, it is good to compare in that case :)

[EstWRC]

Ogier and Tänak are finished with their day...most of the guys in service at the moment and they still have to go for a third run.

[Thousandlakes]

Latvalas second pass was pretty fast. Suninen doing well. Showing his talent...

[Lead]

And slowest three WRC 17 spec cars on shakedown is....

[Simmi]

And slowest three WRC 17 spec cars on shakedown is....

I'm sure the Citroen guys will do 2-3 more passes over the stage.

[Lead]

I'm sure the Citroen guys will do 2-3 more passes over the stage.

I believe there is already R5 cars on the stage.

[EstWRC]

3 runs are mandatory

[KiwiWRCfan]

some short shakedown videos have been tweeted and can be found here https://twitter.com/akikojmlfani

[Simmi]

I believe there is already R5 cars on the stage.

Doesn't matter. Not uncommon to get WRCs even mixed up with R2 cars later on in Shakedown.

[AnttiL]

I know shakedown is a shakedown but the Citroen speed is a letdown, especially for Mikkelsen.

[WRC1]

Ogier just flew by... Very fast..

[EstWRC]

Ogier just flew by... Very fast..

but didnt improve...Citroens just nowhere

[AnttiL]

And now Levebvre is actually the fastest Citroen :D

[AnttiL]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DDeivwfXcAAp_l7.jpg:large

"Wish I was driving one of those cars..."

[EstWRC]

"i still miss my Polo"

[AL14]

"Do not fuck up with me this weekend, understood?"

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DDeI1ICXkAAXwiB.jpg

[Eric]

Mikkelsens statements in autosport doesnt look good if this continues on through the weekend

[AnttiL]

Mikkelsen actually managed to make a faster time than Evans, but Breen and Lefebvre remained as the slowest WRC cars.

Suninen also did two more rounds, but couldn't match his third run

[EstWRC]

Mikkelsen just went for 5th run but basically these are the final results

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DDer2scXsAErKYB.jpg

[EstWRC]

shakedown https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCRQzUmtThI

[AnttiL]

Mikkelsen just went for 5th run

2:19.0, nowhere close to the pace he should have

[AnttiL]

Current forecast is some rain and thunder for today, heavy rain for friday noon, some rain for friday evening, all dry for saturday and both sunshine and thunder for sunday...

And now all of a sudden the forecast is dry for friday as well :eek: with maybe some drops of rain in the afternoon but probably not on the stages run at the time.

[KKS]

What's wrong with Polish rally "fans"? Are they trying to ruin everything on purpose? Idiots...
And what exactly a problem with?

[Zeakiwi]

Any estimates of how long before Lappi is as fast as Latvala consistently?
Mikkelsen looks like he wishes he had just kept driving the Skoda R5.

[itix]

Do they follow championship order on the first run of shakedown also?
Trying to figure out pace for the first run

(and i know that it is only a shakedown and that some take it easy and that it has no bearing on the rally proper what so ever etc etc).

[Allez Andruet]

And now all of a sudden the forecast is dry for friday as well :eek: with maybe some drops of rain in the afternoon but probably not on the stages run at the time.

That'll make things interesting for sure...

[Allez Andruet]

And what exactly a problem with?

Various videos from the past couple of years will reveal that. Unfortunately this year doesn't look any better based on the SD.

[AnttiL]

That'll make things interesting for sure...

We could also end up in a situation where some cars run through the stage dry and then it starts raining...

[Allez Andruet]

We could also end up in a situation where some cars run through the stage dry and then it starts raining...

Indeed. Rain is just fine as long as it doesn't start before cars #11 and #12 have crossed the finish line ;)

[AnttiL]

Neuville's fastest shakedown time average speed 133.5352 km/h

[dimviii]

https://youtu.be/p7gpvIcKFmM

[bluuford]

Guys, be careful, strong thundrestorm is approaching fast, will be there very soon. in half hour porobably!

[dimviii]

Hyundai video
https://youtu.be/_4iH1bjS5cA

https://www.ewrc-results.com/video/23095-rally-poland-2017-shakedown-wrc-and-wrc2-pure-sound/

[dimviii]

Citroën Racing‏*@CitroenRacing
2nd #RallyPoland #shakedown run OK for @AMikkelsenRally, with a decent time in 2:19.0


lol

[dimviii]

https://youtu.be/GxC4kGHDjlk


this is for EstWRC

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DDfRyteWAAEyK7b.jpg


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DDfPkYUXkAEkplJ.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DDerxkwW0AAZw7u.jpg

[EstWRC]

lol at those guys https://twitter.com/Karlip1/status/880401016163897344

[AL14]

lol at those guys https://twitter.com/Karlip1/status/880401016163897344

Lol, they're italians, and probably had breakfast with polish beer :D

[Lead]

In videos Citroens are all over the place again.