Wrc Rally Argentina 2017

[jbmarcus21]

2017 Wrc Rally Argentina road program and timetable (include 18SS + 356,49kms) ➡ http://bit.ly/2hf17sr

[KiwiWRCfan]

We have a small group of Kiwis heading to Argentina this year. We are looking at using a mini van and have a local English speaking guide. If anyone is interested in joining our group of rally fans feel free to drop me a message.

[KiwiWRCfan]

Details of English speaking tour group for Rally Argentina can be found here. http://www.retowebsite.com.ar/index2.php?dst=EV&paq=154
Should be some good craic between the Kiwi and Irish fans on tour. Hope i get to meet a few of you when the 2017 WRC cars compete for the first time in the Southern Hemisphere

[KiwiWRCfan]

Link to draft entry for Rally Argentina. Hopefully a few more still to added http://www.rallyargentina.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Provisional-Draft-entry-list-RA17-up-to-28-031.pdf

[jbmarcus21]

Google Earth Map Rally Argentina is online ➡️ http://bit.ly/2hf17sr

[Andre Oliveira]

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[AL14]

Heard about possible snow during Rally Weekend. How likely is it?

[Simmi]

Heard about possible snow during Rally Weekend. How likely is it?

Well photos on Twitter appear to show snowy conditions on the El Condor stage right now. So it seems it is possible if this remains.

[KKS]

Well photos on Twitter appear to show snowy conditions on the El Condor stage right now. So it seems it is possible if this remains.
links?

[satnav]

Meteorólogos dicen que podría nevar en altas cumbres el 25 de abril. El 27 arranca el @rallyargentina https://t.co/gu8fk04iEN

[Simmi]

I think we just need to be careful as it did snow after the rally last year. So some pictures could be from 12 months ago. But certainly some chatter about the colder temps. Snow would be cool - but I don't trust them to let it run in the year 2017. Ice is pretty disastrous.

[bluuford]

At the end of april, it is not very likely to have snow there. El Condor stage is up to 2200 m over sealevel. it can be up to 13-14 degrees colder than on the surfaces.. during next weel, I do not see any snow there, just a lot of rain, maybe too much rain!

[steve.mandzij]

Exciting! I've been planning to go the rally for the past month and it seems I will be going after all. Is there a way to download the Google Earth maps to Google Maps, or to use GPS with them.

Another question: I suppose I can just drive up to the stages and hike into them to spectate, right?

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[KiwiWRCfan]

Exciting! I've been planning to go the rally for the past month and it seems I will be going after all. Is there a way to download the Google Earth maps to Google Maps, or to use GPS with them.

Another question: I suppose I can just drive up to the stages and hike into them to spectate, right?

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Have a read of this article. It may assist your in your planning https://motorsport.hyundai.com/mcklein-rally-argentina/

[satnav]

Is there a way to download the Google Earth maps to Google Maps, or to use GPS with th

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Open Google maps , then Your Places ,Next open Maps, Create Map and then import Jb's file and jobs a good one.

Have a good one

[Simmi]

No Camilli for Argentina - http://www.rallysportmag.com.au/home/wrc/11341-wrc-entries-at-an-all-time-low-in-argentina

Have to admit I thought it was pretty surprising M-Sport were taking him without registering for WRC2.

[pantealex]

No Camilli for Argentina - http://www.rallysportmag.com.au/home/wrc/11341-wrc-entries-at-an-all-time-low-in-argentina

Have to admit I thought it was pretty surprising M-Sport were taking him without registering for WRC2.

Camilli has done all his 4 "free" WRC2 Rallies, so no other choice than drive outside WRC2.

[dimviii]

fiestas ready to transport to Argentina

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C91pyQqU0AET20G.jpg

[Rallyper]

Seems one of the guys not comfortable with cameramen.

[dimviii]

DMACK Tyres‏*@DMACK_Tyres
Fun Fact Friday3: Because Argentina roads have got so rough, the ride height of @ElfynEvans Fiesta will probably be the highest of season

[dimviii]

LAURENT FREGOSI, TECHNICAL DIRECTOR: "Back from the Tour de Corse, we analyzed Kris Meeke's car to identify the cause of his abandonment. It was a connection of the lubrication circuit that broke, so it is not an internal problem to the engine. We have of course studied an alternative solution that was validated during our recent test session. During these five days of testing, we focused on suspensions, which condition much of the performance and confidence of pilots on the ground. Argentina is a difficult terrain, with a loose soil that degrades between the two passages to bring out large stones. Combined with the speeds achieved, the shocks imposed on the chassis and the rolling trains impose severe stresses. "
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KRIS MEEKE: "I have only good memories in Argentina: a third place in my first participation and my first world victory two years ago! Moreover, this rally is very special at the level of the atmosphere and the infatuation - not to say madness - of the public. As soon as we set foot on Argentinian soil, we feel that people love the sport. Even though I did not take part in the event last year, I have every reason to be confident. Between my victory in Mexico, my start of Tour de Corse and the work done this week in testing, I feel good before this rally. However, I remain aware of the difficulties of this trial, which always brings its share of uncertainty. »

[Munkvy]

LAURENT FREGOSI, TECHNICAL DIRECTOR: "Back from the Tour de Corse, we analyzed Kris Meeke's car to identify the cause of his abandonment. It was a connection of the lubrication circuit that broke, so it is not an internal problem to the engine. We have of course studied an alternative solution that was validated during our recent test session. During these five days of testing, we focused on suspensions, which condition much of the performance and confidence of pilots on the ground. Argentina is a difficult terrain, with a loose soil that degrades between the two passages to bring out large stones. Combined with the speeds achieved, the shocks imposed on the chassis and the rolling trains impose severe stresses. "
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KRIS MEEKE: "I have only good memories in Argentina: a third place in my first participation and my first world victory two years ago! Moreover, this rally is very special at the level of the atmosphere and the infatuation - not to say madness - of the public. As soon as we set foot on Argentinian soil, we feel that people love the sport. Even though I did not take part in the event last year, I have every reason to be confident. Between my victory in Mexico, my start of Tour de Corse and the work done this week in testing, I feel good before this rally. However, I remain aware of the difficulties of this trial, which always brings its share of uncertainty. »

So in English, an oil cooler line came off?

[KiwiWRCfan]

KRIS MEEKE: "I have only good memories in Argentina: a third place in my first participation and my first world victory two years ago! Moreover, this rally is very special at the level of the atmosphere and the infatuation - not to say madness - of the public. »

Madness - hmmmmm think I should fit in just perfectly - el gringo loco es en Argentina :-)

[EstWRC]

Laura Cerezo‏ @lauraviajera 34m34 minutes ago

Latvala, Tanak and Mikkelsen played golf in @CarlosPazGolf1 to relax after the long journey. @rallyargentina @turismocba

https://twitter.com/lauraviajera/status/856572820276613120

Laura Cerezo‏ @lauraviajera 33m33 minutes ago

Mikkelsen will make the recce of the @rallyargentina and said that soon there will be news of his return to the @OfficialWRC

https://twitter.com/lauraviajera/status/856573202071420929

[EstWRC]

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[COD]

The Volvos just refuse to retire :)

[pantealex]

The Volvos just refuse to retire :)

dislike :(

[EstWRC]

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[macebig]

The Volvos just refuse to retire :)

Amazing to think that those cars have been used in the roughest conditions for something like 15 years now and can still go.Real testament to the quality of Volvo's builds.

[N.O.T]

Amazing to think that those cars have been used in the roughest conditions for something like 15 years now and can still go.Real testament to the quality of Volvo's builds.

have you ever considered the fact that they might replace some parts afterwards ?? or is it too complicated of a thought ?

[Gregor-y]

Amazing to think that those cars have been used in the roughest conditions for something like 15 years now and can still go.Real testament to the quality of Volvo's builds.

And they're well traveled at this point, too. Just don't let Tanak near them!

[macebig]

have you ever considered the fact that they might replace some parts afterwards ?? or is it too complicated of a thought ?

You are talking non sense as always.Do they replace chassis?No they don't.And I can tell you that most cars would be pretty banged up if they are used on rally stages for well over a decade.

[lnvs]

Amazing to think that those cars have been used in the roughest conditions for something like 15 years now and can still go.Real testament to the quality of Volvo's builds.Those are build for recce and more like Group N cars. I can't imagine Malcom will replace them as long as they keep on running. He probably forced Ford to pay them. :D

[EstWRC]

And they're well traveled at this point, too. Just don't let Tanak near them!

what did he do to them?

[bluuford]

what did he do to them?

Yeah, it was Carlos, late Colin, Marcus, Mikko, Jari, Mads, Toni, Roman, Dani, Markko, Francois ... etc.. who did it:P

[dimviii]

you jinxed him

Agustín Córdoba‏*@AgustinMCordoba
Today in the morning, @OttTanak had a problem with his car before to start the recce.
Ph: Agustín Córdoba

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[er88]

Tanak breaking the Volvo's just like he keeps breaking the Fiesta. He has no mechanical sympathy does he?


;)

[cali]

Tanak breaking the Volvo's just like he keeps breaking the Fiesta. He has no mechanical sympathy does he?


;)
Nah, he just wants to sit in the new Focus RS ;)

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[er88]

Nah, he just wants to sit in the new Focus RS ;)

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I don't blame him at all, seeing Seb having that since the start of the season :)

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[EstWRC]

video of yesterdays recce, Tänak with his problem at the end of the video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOrrb9CvEfU

[Fast Eddie WRC]

@Dmacktyres
Heavy rain made day 1 of the Argentina recce pretty tricky, lots of very muddy sections on Friday stages and fog on El Condor https://t.co/KrEAO7KFA4

[KiwiWRCfan]

On Tuesday 25th April I traveled 12 hours by long distance bus from Mendoza to Cordoba. Final section of trip was from Mina Clavero over El Condor and then thru Villa Carlos Paz. On highest sections of road near El Condor you could see a small amount of snow. I do not think it was recent snow more likely residual amount from snow melt.

[Simmi]

On Tuesday 25th April I traveled 12 hours by long distance bus from Mendoza to Cordoba. Final section of trip was from Mina Clavero over El Condor and then thru Villa Carlos Paz. On highest sections of road near El Condor you could see a small amount of snow. I do not think it was recent snow more likely residual amount from snow melt.

Enjoy your trip Gary. Very jealous and keen to get your thoughts as it's a bucket list event for me. And a lot of others I'd imagine.

[dimviii]

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[ZequeArgentina]

it is abnormally cold nowadays in Cordoba mountains.
Temperatures below 0 expected in Mina Clavero and El Condor (arround -5°C), so not snow, but some isolated ice patches in gravel may be found (not such a problem for drivers as gravel keep enought traction and car, yes for spectators staying all night up there!!)

[bluuford]

it is abnormally cold nowadays in Cordoba mountains.
Temperatures below 0 expected in Mina Clavero and El Condor (arround -5°C), so not snow, but some isolated ice patches in gravel may be found (not such a problem for drivers as gravel keep enought traction and car, yes for spectators staying all night up there!!)

Do not worry, it is getting gradually warmer each day now and no minus degrees when stage is held.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Mads Ostberg's Fiesta getting ready for his WRC comeback ..

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-Wv3PFVwAAUBX9.jpg:large

[dimviii]

so finally is citroen that has put stickers at Subaru badges at recce cars.Lefebvres here.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-XqoQMXkAA3zPh.jpg

[er88]

So do we think if might be a disadvantage for Meeke and Paddon running far back? Or will there still be a huge amount of cleaning?

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[EstWRC]

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[EstWRC]

First pass

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-anNH3WAAIqK84?format=jpg&name=large

[PLuto]

You can see the results of shakedown also here: https://rally-base.com/2017/rally-argentina-2017/?ssId=4041&ssGroupId=3

[AnttiL]

You can see the results of shakedown also here: https://rally-base.com/2017/rally-argentina-2017/?ssId=4041&ssGroupId=3

and https://www.ewrc-results.com/shake/36016-Rally-Argentina-2017/

[EstWRC]

#Shakedown at @rallyargentina stopped due to a spectator requiring medical attention. #WRC

[AnttiL]

#Shakedown at @rallyargentina stopped due to a spectator requiring medical attention. #WRC

https://twitter.com/rallylivenet/status/857562654394679296


Shakedown stopped. A spectator need medical assistance as a result of a Cardiac decompensation, to 400m of the arrival.

So it's not an accident related to a rally car.

[steve.mandzij]

I can't say much other than that in Buenos Aires it's fucking cold rn.

Quick question: does anyone know how early I have to arrive at a stage to drive into it? I'm planning on going to Los Gigantes, Tanti and el Condor and I'd much rather not freeze my ass off by walking 3km into the Sierras.

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[dimviii]

sick dog follows Ogier
https://twitter.com/SebOgier

[Andre Oliveira]

World "chien"pion

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Local kids know something ! ;)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-bUsZMXcAEwGiu.jpg

[Fast Eddie WRC]

So the SD times mean nothing ? These drivers seem pretty interested:

Thierry Neuville‏Verified account @thierryneuville 5m5 minutes ago
4th quickest in the shakedown of #RallyArgentina. Very happy with the feeling with the #i20CoupeWRC. We are ready for the start!

Jari-Matti Latvala‏ @JariMattiWRC
Quickest through shakedown of #RallyArgentina !
1.Latvala & @MiikkaAnttila 4:02.0

@OfficialWRC
Waiting to go for another run at shakedown, Craig Breen and Scott Martin analyse the times so far.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-bCVqEW0AINtCB.jpg

[dimviii]

nice photo with Hanninen

http://forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_04_2017/post-177-0-50473000-1493311009.jpg

[EstWRC]

Ott Tänak‏ @OttTanak
Caption this... ���� #WRC #RallyArgentina

Jari-Matti Latvala‏ @JariMattiWRC 8m8 minutes ago

Jari-Matti Latvala Retweeted Ott Tänak
This is how we warm up before the stages! ������ #GreatPic #Friendship #ThisIsRally


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[steve.mandzij]

Latvala hype train leaving the station!

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[EstWRC]

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[mknight]

Latvala hype train leaving the station!

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Don't see any reason for it. He was 5-6 in passes 2-3 with Hyundais being clearly fastest.

Looking on Shakedown times 1st pass often doesn't mean that much cause some drivers just try to check out the stage not risking anything, similarly passes over 3rd are imo very biased by knowing every single corner and taking more daring lines than you would not take in a stage.

[satukata]

how are road conditions for friday? any road cleaning?

[dimviii]

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https://www.facebook.com/pg/timoanisphotography/photos/?tab=album&album_id=1334751629938069

[dimviii]

Hyundai shake video
https://youtu.be/QJKOkKJ6Sqc

Michelin video,watch at 0,27
https://youtu.be/MzwH5Gutbd8

#Tyre info: All Michelin #WRC drivers with 5 Michelin LTX Force S5 #RallyArgentina

Hanninen with some aero damage at shake

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[dimviii]

Ogier

"There may not be any objective reason for this, it has often been a very small thing, so I'm not worried about it at all. Previous years, leaving before, I was necessarily not in the best position. We are going again in front of the first day, I hope that the rain will have somewhat reduced the sweeping phenomenon, "Sébastien Ogier pointed out to our microphone.
The world champion also confirms the general impression of the peloton: "The rally is going to be very demanding for the cars, the Shakedown was in a broken state, it was survival, it is not very fun to drive in Such conditions. "
Leader of the current championship, the 33-year-old Frenchman knows music. "I do not think it's a lot of the risk, but I think it's a lot of the lottery," he said. Some specials, I think, will have to lift a little foot in the brittle portions, "he analyzed at the micro of our colleague Olivier Gaspard, special envoy of the RTBF in Argentina.
Before concluding, on the final podium of the Argentine test. "There are a lot of drivers that are fast this season, especially since other parameters are taken into account on this course, I hope to be in any case," he said. Said the Ford driver.

Gilsoul
"The field is very rugged in Argentina, it's actually the most difficult test for the mechanics because the terrain is destroyed, it seems like a little bit in Kenya in places, but the winner of the rally will not necessarily be the The speed of the car, when it is possible, and the car when it is necessary. The body is sometimes touched but it is make-up, it is just for laughter. The vital organs: we must be sure that they will pass through. This is the first year of cars, some parts have been reviewed, "explained Nicolas Gilsoul, co-driver of Thierry Neuville at Hyundai, on the microphone of our colleague Olivier Gaspard, special envoy of the RTBF in Argentina.
The Belgian crew never managed to catch better than fifth place on the Argentinian roads: "We were perhaps lacking a little wisdom and maturity, but we have grown well and we want to reverse this trend. We want to do the best possible operation at the level of the general, without focusing on victory. It's better to be a living chick than a dead hero

[steve.mandzij]

Judging by reliability so far, I'm guessing Toyota will benefit from the fall of at least one Fiesta and one C3.

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[er88]

Hopefully Citroen have the set up right. If they do Meeke is the fastest man in the wrc, but if it's slighty off Meeke plunges down the time sheets and will have an off trying to push too hard. Seems like there's very little margin for error on the set up of that C3. When they get it right it's blindingly quick, but when it's wrong it becomes undriveable...

[ZequeArgentina]

I can't say much other than that in Buenos Aires it's fucking cold rn.

Quick question: does anyone know how early I have to arrive at a stage to drive into it? I'm planning on going to Los Gigantes, Tanti and el Condor and I'd much rather not freeze my ass off by walking 3km into the Sierras.

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Many stages aré closed the night before or even several hours before

[steve.mandzij]

Many stages aré closed the night before or even several hours before
So, if I wanted to go a few kms into Los Gigantes, say, an hour before the stage starts, I can't?

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[itix]

Hope they will continue this tradition of broadcasting local feeds on wrc+

Ain't bad at all. A language I don't understand, meaning I don't get annoyed over everything said, fully functional feed of the stage otherwise (not that the SSS is the best thing since pre sliced bread... But hey).

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[SubaruNorway]

So, if I wanted to go a few kms into Los Gigantes, say, an hour before the stage starts, I can't?

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Normally the stage is closed at 16 the day before

[mknight]

Hopefully Citroen have the set up right. If they do Meeke is the fastest man in the wrc, but if it's slighty off Meeke plunges down the time sheets and will have an off trying to push too hard. Seems like there's very little margin for error on the set up of that C3. When they get it right it's blindingly quick, but when it's wrong it becomes undriveable...

I like how you state that Meeke is fastest as a fact and if not its the setup (or the car). To me he is the most over-hyped out of the top 5, which are close to each other in terms of pure speed (those 5 are in no particular order: Ogier, Neuville, Meek, Latvala, Mikkelsen).
In pure results for Meek: best champ. placement - 5th, number of rallies won - 4 (all of them gravel rallies where he started way down the order on first day). He doesn't shine in terms of stage wins either, even compared to teammates.
Sure he is good, but fastest man in wrc. Cmon....

[PLuto]

Another stupid boring mickey mouse stage...

[SubaruNorway]

Hope they will continue this tradition of broadcasting local feeds on wrc+

Ain't bad at all. A language I don't understand, meaning I don't get annoyed over everything said, fully functional feed of the stage otherwise (not that the SSS is the best thing since pre sliced bread... But hey).

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Aint bad? You can't hear the cars...

[FAlonso]

Not being able to hear the cars is awful...

[AL14]

Seriously Mads?

[BigWorm]

Cutting corners eh Elfyn

[itix]

Aint bad? You can't hear the cars...
I have heard them a million times before and will get the chance again. If that's what spoils your day, you are welcome to switch off. Meanwhile I'm enjoying the dead space being filled with something.

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[Andre Oliveira]

Thanks FOX Sports 3 for such stupid mistake :(

[AL14]

I think it would have been way better if they didn't do such disgraces if they're not able to stream a simple live stage.

[itix]

Meanwhile for us who enjoyed watching it despite certain shortcomings, I prefer it to stay.

You who don't want anything but absolute quality are welcome to ignore the feed!

[SubaruNorway]

Meanwhile for us who enjoyed watching it despite certain shortcomings, I prefer it to stay.

You who don't want anything but absolute quality are welcome to ignore the feed!

You do understand it sucks staying up two hours over bedtime and not get a proper live stream right? It's also barely VHS quality too.

[AL14]

Guys keep cool, it's just our opinions and views on the event. No need to be harsh on ourselves.

[itix]

You do understand it sucks staying up two hours over bedtime and not get a proper live stream right? It's also barely VHS quality too.
Fine, so don't watch it. You obviously stayed until the second to last car so it can't have been that bad.

Really, it is voluntary to watch it, you know?
No one promised you a rose garden, don't expect one.

Sheeesh people are expecting much from an Argentinian TV production.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Nice start for Evans for a change and also for Østberg on his comeback.

Win for Ogier.

[itix]

... Aaand you get treats like a lost local Hahahahahaha =D

[mknight]

oh no, why did they turn off the stream just as that car got completely lost :D

[Andre Oliveira]

Great run by Ogier

[Mintexmemory]

Ain't bad at all. A language I don't understand, meaning I don't get annoyed over everything said

Surely you understood 'El hombre de Dungannon'

[seb_sh]

The production was ok actually, except for the commentary I didn't notice a huge difference to the usual live super specials.

I understand a bit of spanish and knowing the context I could make out a good part of what they were saying. The commentary was geared toward general public and seemed informative. They were saying things like how each driver did in previous rounds or years and who are the favorites, stuff like that.

[GigiGalliNo1]

Was this guy checking the type of tires being used? https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170428/e6797b0bbad5e8fa41f777606f132240.jpg

[AL14]

I don't know what are your standard but I love the sport and I suffer when I see it raped like yesterday.
I think some forget we are talking about the WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP of the noblest of the motorsport, it's not like "if you don't like don't watch it". It's like I want the motorsport that I love to be comunicated in a proper way because it is a wanderful thing and deserves it.

They had not a hard job:
-cars has to be heard
-quality of stream has to be decent (youtube amateurs guys have better quality)
-Action and times has to be followed and commented by people who knows what they are talking about.

3 simple tasks for the WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP of the best motorsport in this planet.
The fact it was dedicated for general public makes it even worse, because they did not lived the real emotions.

End of rant.

[AnttiL]

Was this guy checking the type of tires being used?

https://i.makeagif.com/media/4-28-2017/WN-K5Z.gif

Yeah it's very important to see when spectating rally

[AnttiL]

I don't know what are your standard but I love the sport and I suffer when I see it raped like yesterday.

Even decent commentary, proper sounds and stream quality couldn't have saved the experience on a Mickey Mouse stage like that. I'm already looking forward to Saturday TV Stage and Sunday Power Stage.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Great run by Ogier

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-dOeudXoAAToH4.jpg:large

[EstWRC]

so rally starting in less than an hour, which m-sport car is the first one to have problems?

[itix]

I don't know what are your standard but I love the sport and I suffer when I see it raped like yesterday.
I think some forget we are talking about the WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP of the noblest of the motorsport, it's not like "if you don't like don't watch it". It's like I want the motorsport that I love to be comunicated in a proper way because it is a wanderful thing and deserves it.

They had not a hard job:
-cars has to be heard
-quality of stream has to be decent (youtube amateurs guys have better quality)
-Action and times has to be followed and commented by people who knows what they are talking about.

3 simple tasks for the WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP of the best motorsport in this planet.
The fact it was dedicated for general public makes it even worse, because they did not lived the real emotions.

End of rant.
Here's my take on it!

This is a local TV production from Argentina.

Do they have experience with rally coverage?
Well the amount of high level events that would be broadcast in Argentina is one per year... So no.

Do they specialize in rally coverage like the WRC promoter team?
I doubt that they have only one job per year... So no. They likely cover soccer or other sport events for most of the year.

Do they have the budget?
Soccer is massively more popular, rally, comparatively, not so much... So likely no.

Did anyone anywhere promise the product of a lifetime?
Well... No.

We have been complaining for ages that the local feeds were not being used and that the potential was being wasted.

Now they have done exactly what we asked them to do and what happens?... People complain about that too.

I mean... Really?

It is completely voluntary to watch. It is bonus content, so treat it as such. You don't have to watch it if you don't like.

Rally fans are apparently the hardest people to please in the world if this forum is anything to go by.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

DMACK Tyres‏ @DMACK_Tyres 2m 2 minutes ago

First stage this morning is a real whopper. First 3km flat out then real tricky uphill sections over the mountain. Was very muddy on recce.

[AnttiL]

https://i.makeagif.com/media/4-28-2017/WN-K5Z.gif

Yeah it's very important to see when spectating rally
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-dr-GIVYAEUnc1.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-dr-GQVYAAUV8t.jpg

https://twitter.com/rallyargentina/status/857771629920886787 The organizers are already worried about the spectator action on the shakedown. Let's see how many stages get cancelled :/

[Simmi]

Sh*t coverage for a sh*t stage. Not an official WRC product of sorts. They didn't have to add it to the WRC+ service (not all local feeds are) but it's there if you want it.

Not worth losing sleep over - which I clearly didn't as I nodded off midway through the WRC field!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Move on chaps.. the real rally is about to start !

[BigWorm]

Just your average SSS I thought. There will be coverage of proper stages so no big deal.

Worth pointing out for the organizers is that small bags of sand will not prevent the drivers from cutting the corner.

[N.O.T]

And as usual with 3rd world paper countries the splits do not work yet... how unusual.

[EstWRC]

stage delayed...

[N.O.T]

the start of stage is delayed...

why WRC bothers with usuless rallies like mexico and argentina ? they have far bigger problems to deal with than a WRC round....

[car]

And as usual with 3rd world paper countries the splits do not work yet... how unusual.

Stage isn't live yet...

[N.O.T]

Stage isn't live yet...

thats even worse...

[Franky]

thats even worse...

Are you ever positive?

[er88]

Seb quicker than Jari and Neuville at split one. Perhaps running first could not be a hinderence considering the rain earlier in the week

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[Eli]

Oh I see this rally is going to be fun... & Ogier will win Imho.

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[er88]

Scrap that, Jari takes 5s out of Seb in the next 5k...

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[er88]

Seb missed a junction, that's why he's 5.9slower. Suggests there's barely any cleaning

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[EightGear]

No splits for the Citroens.

[jparker]

Where are the cars?

[er88]

Tanak miles off it, miles off the pace

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[steve.mandzij]

the start of stage is delayed...

why WRC bothers with usuless rallies like mexico and argentina ? they have far bigger problems to deal with than a WRC round....
The better question is why this forum has to deal with you.

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[er88]

Sordo fastest so far

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[EightGear]

Ohhhh Hayden....

He's stopped.

[er88]

Paddon has stopped

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[rage82]

Meeke with fastest time

[car]

Evans looking pretty tasty....

[er88]

Meeke dominant on that stage. Fastest so far

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[EstWRC]

go Dmack!

[ZequeArgentina]

The better question is why this forum has to deal with you.

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You do not have to deal with his comments, just ignore them.

Rally is developing as great as expected.
Sordo has done always very good in Argentina, and this year seems to be the case also.
This morning stages may be the only ones with some sweeping effect. I expected that after rain, this effect is minimized or even some advantage for first runners, but seems soem very small sweeping (or just "line reading") is present here.

[jparker]

http://logo.wrc.com/flaggen/3GBR_18x12.pngE. EVANS
M-SPORT WORLD RALLY TEAM
M
-2.9
-13.1

[er88]

Evans smashing his Msport team mates lol

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[EightGear]

Evans fastest by far.

[car]

Evans 4.5 quicker than anyone!!!!!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Go Evans !! :D

[EightGear]

Hanninen very slow btw.

[N.O.T]

1 - Ogier Sébastien / Ingrassia Julien): A wrong pacenote in a tight corner. I went straight on in a corner and into a ditch. I lost 5 or 6 seconds. The car looks ok.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Great start fot the Brits.. now 1-2. :)

[Rallyper]

Evans smashing his Msport team mates lol

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So now even Ogier is slow. ;)

[BigWorm]

Roll by Paddon

[EstWRC]

Fords just nowhere except Evans

[steve.mandzij]

Here's my take on it!

This is a local TV production from Argentina.

Do they have experience with rally coverage?
Well the amount of high level events that would be broadcast in Argentina is one per year... So no.

Do they specialize in rally coverage like the WRC promoter team?
I doubt that they have only one job per year... So no. They likely cover soccer or other sport events for most of the year.

Do they have the budget?
Soccer is massively more popular, rally, comparatively, not so much... So likely no.

Did anyone anywhere promise the product of a lifetime?
Well... No.

We have been complaining for ages that the local feeds were not being used and that the potential was being wasted.

Now they have done exactly what we asked them to do and what happens?... People complain about that too.

I mean... Really?

It is completely voluntary to watch. It is bonus content, so treat it as such. You don't have to watch it if you don't like.

Rally fans are apparently the hardest people to please in the world if this forum is anything to go by.
Actually, the local broadcast on WRC+ was from Fox Sports 3, a channel dedicated to Motorsport with a commentator dedicated to rally. All rounds of the championship are broadcast here. Sure, it's not on par with European broadcasts but it does the job for me, year round.

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[Fast Eddie WRC]

Fords just nowhere except Evans

Ogier is opening the road and had an overshoot !

[eib1]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-f4zoVXsAA2e3d.jpg

[AL14]

What a driver Ogier. Even with a wrong pacenote he's able to save the car.

[AL14]

Bertelli faster than Hanninen :D

[EstWRC]

Hanninen with engine problems, no power i heard

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Paddon

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-f-PidXYAAcM0E.jpg

[steve.mandzij]

I wonder if the assymetrical dowforce on Ogier's car will hamper him later.

Also, holy hell Elfyn :)

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[tomhlord]

Oh, I forgot Ostberg is in this.

[AL14]

I wonder if the assymetrical dowforce on Ogier's car will hamper him later.

Also, holy hell Elfyn :)

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That's what I was thinkinig about as well... Maybe expert guys here to anticipate how he will be affected by it?

[er88]

So now even Ogier is slow. ;)
Ogiers time would've been good had he not made a mistake tbf

[N.O.T]

Paddon should start focusing on being a rally driver instead of a social media junkie and promoter of worthless events in sheepland.

[er88]

Paddon should start focusing on being a rally driver instead of a social media junkie and promoter of worthless events in sheepland.
People will no doubt think you're being too harsh, but since his win in Argentina last year he's been nowhere in terms of pace.

[EstWRC]

Ogiers time would've been good had he not made a mistake tbf

he said he lost only 5-6 secs because of his mistake, he lost 17 seconds to Evans in the end....

[Fast Eddie WRC]

he said he lost only 5-6 secs because of his mistake, he lost 17 seconds to Evans in the end....

But Evans had a much cleaner road.

[Rallyper]

Paddon should start focusing on being a rally driver instead of a social media junkie and promoter of worthless events in sheepland.

I think this might be at least one of several reason he´s not performing well atm.

[Mirek]

I think this might be at least one of several reason he´s not performing well atm.

Seeing the images from shakedown I wouldn't feel myself comfortable at all here - if I had a tragic accident with a spectator just four months a go like Paddon had.

[er88]

Ogier looking good here on the early splits.

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[N.O.T]

Seeing the images from shakedown I wouldn't feel myself comfortable at all here - if I had a tragic accident with a spectator just four months a go like Paddon had.

then he should have stayed home for the rest of the year, he is getting payed for a reason.

[er88]

Tanak good at the second split, good to see. Hopefully his tweaks in between the stages has worked

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[Fast Eddie WRC]

Looks like Tanak's adjustments are working...

[EstWRC]

Sordo stopped

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Sordo stopped... was going well. :(

[er88]

Ah shame about Dani

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[EightGear]

Hyundai will need a fourth car for Mikkelsen at this rate

[EstWRC]

Tänak's set-up change works it seems

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Broken damper for Neuville.. bad morning for Hyundai.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Evans flying again !

[EstWRC]

Dmack has made a super tyre, im not saying Evans is slow guy but he definitely isnt TOP5 gravel driver in my eyes, he was horrible in 2015. Although he has a good record on harder rallies like mexico and argentina.

[tommeke_B]

Dmack has made a super tyre, im not saying Evans is slow guy but he definitely isnt TOP5 gravel driver in my eyes, he was horrible in 2015. Although he has a good record on harder rallies like mexico and argentina.

When Tänak was doing bad, it was because of the tyres. When Evans is doing well, it's because of the tyres.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Ott Tänak‏ @OttTanak
SS3: "We made a big change before this stage and the car feels a lot better. Definitely a good step forward."

Sébastien Ogier
"I struggled a lot, the car is very unstable. The aero missing after our mistake does not help but we also need to work on the suspensions"

[er88]

Not much cleaning on these faster stages either

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[KKS]

unussual staff from Dani :(

[KKS]

and +20sec for Juho it's noraml now or jyst something happen?

[EstWRC]

When Tänak was doing bad, it was because of the tyres. When Evans is doing well, it's because of the tyres.


i knew this would come up, the same story was with Ott last year when he was doing well, everyone here was sayin that it was because of dmack. of course Evans is doing amazing job, all the credit to him. but like i said, i dont consider him as one of the fastest gravel guys.

[BigWorm]

and +20sec for Juho it's noraml now or jyst something happen?

Engine struggles for him

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Dick Cormack Retweeted DMACK Tires
Fantastic start, looks like our gamble to go a little stiffer with our 2017 GS62 soft on the new cars will work.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-gJM2HXYAEC3sa.jpg

[Rallyper]

Dmack has made a super tyre, im not saying Evans is slow guy but he definitely isnt TOP5 gravel driver in my eyes, he was horrible in 2015. Although he has a good record on harder rallies like mexico and argentina.

You have to considder starting order.

[EstWRC]

so places 3rd to 6th separated only by 7 seconds!!!

[steve.mandzij]

When the new cars were revealed, I remember getting concerned over the front splitters being so low to the ground, thinking that maybe on rougher rallies they could chip off and cause some aero problems. Both Ogier and Latvala's damage issues suggest my guesses were right.

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[Fast Eddie WRC]

so rally starting in less than an hour, which m-sport car is the first one to have problems?

SS3: 4 Ford's in the Top 5.. not bad for a car with 'problems'.

[N.O.T]

SS3: 4 Ford's in the Top 5.. not bad for a car with 'problems'.

after how many stages you simple person ?

[EstWRC]

they havent had any problems yet, only set-up problems for Ogier and Tänak but i didnt mean those

[KKS]

they havent had any problems yet,
In Argentina you mean? :D

[Fast Eddie WRC]

after how many stages you simple person ?

You troll smart-arse... he was asking which M-Sport would have the first problem, like it would happen soon...

[AnttiL]

after how many stages you simple person ?
SS3 is just one stage. In the overall standings, there's only 3 Fords in the Top 5.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

they havent had any problems yet, only set-up problems for Ogier and Tänak but i didnt mean those

With supporters like you, M-Sport dont need enemies.

[steve.mandzij]

You troll smart-arse... he was asking which M-Sport would have the first problem, like it would happen soon...
If the trend continues, there will at least be one mechanical failure for M-Sport this weekend.

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[Fast Eddie WRC]

If the trend continues, there will at least be one mechanical failure for M-Sport this weekend.

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Such a rubbish car and team. That's how they are leading both championships.

[steve.mandzij]

Such a rubbish car and team. That's how they are leading both championships.
You're the only one whose saying that. You're bringing yourself down. I think the Fiesta is a great car, and M-Sport is a great team, but no matter how much of a fanboy of a team or driver you are you must be able to accept their weaknesses. The Fiesta is undeniably unreliable.

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[mknight]

First time I see results today.

Very surprised by Evans, even considering the starting order. DMACK factor? As mentioned he has never been epic on gravel.

Disaster for Hyundai. If Neuville looses more time now with the damper they have 3 car out of top 3 chance (most likely) after just 3 stages. Even though the car is considered fastest. Maybe too weak for rough gravel?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

You're the only one whose saying that. You're bringing yourself down. I think the Fiesta is a great car, and M-Sport is a great team, but no matter how much of a fanboy of a team or driver you are you must be able to accept their weaknesses. The Fiesta is undeniably unreliable.

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My irony was lost on you there.

Of course I'm aware of their problems, but those of the other teams are just glossed over and M-Sport's highlighted.

[Grundo Farb]

Dmack has made a super tyre, im not saying Evans is slow guy but he definitely isnt TOP5 gravel driver in my eyes, he was horrible in 2015. Although he has a good record on harder rallies like mexico and argentina.

Just stop trying to justify Tanak.....

[steve.mandzij]

My irony was lost on you there.

Of course I'm aware of their problems, but those of the other teams are just glossed over and M-Sport's highlighted.
Whoops. Sorry :)

Anyways, Latvala eh? 9 seconds ahead of Seb!

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[EightGear]

Hyundais dropping like flies.

[Grundo Farb]

Paddon should start focusing on being a rally driver instead of a social media junkie and promoter of worthless events in sheepland.

And you should say something positive. Both won't happen.

[EstWRC]

Meeke stopped

[KKS]

Huyndai gets "luck" from Fiesta's :(

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Rough out there...
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-gP4enXYAEFv0x.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-gP4etXsAIZAxZ.jpg

[er88]

Argentina breaking the Hyundai's and the water splash ruined both Hanninen and Jari's front splitter on the Toyota's. Ford's and Citroën's are holding strong so far

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[KKS]

Meeke stopped
WHY?!!!!
HE SOULDN'T!!!111

agrrr

[er88]

Argentina breaking the Hyundai's and the water splash ruined both Hanninen and Jari's front splitter on the Toyota's. Ford's and Citroën's are holding strong so far

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I maybe spoke too soon

[EstWRC]

now radio finds out, lol, 10 minutes later

[AL14]

That's pathological from Meeke

[Rallyper]

Breen then?

GPS-problem again on this stage. Seems Breen near end of stage.

[EightGear]

Lol, so 4 DNFs and 1 win.

[BigWorm]

Broken dampers doing Neuville no favors, should take it steady.

[N.O.T]

That arab team of nobodies does not deserve better.

[er88]

Lots of troubles. Evans could win this

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[KKS]

Lol, so 4 DNFs and 1 win.
Even Hirvonen couldn't do that

[er88]

Has Breen stopped too?

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[steve.mandzij]

What happened to Lefebvre?

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[MikeD]

With Neuville and Meeke in trouble, that's when Ogier will go in podium point-scoring mode :) Good chance for Latvala, Evans or Tänak to take the win.

[EightGear]

Breen in trouble too.

Pathetic.

[rallyfiend]

What happened to Lefebvre?

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He missed his flight to Argentina....

[er88]

Argentina is always full of drama

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[EightGear]

What happened to Lefebvre?

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Well he's in France minding his own business.

[MikeD]

He missed his flight to Argentina....

By mistake? - or because Citroën asked him to miss it? ;) He is useless anyway IMO!

[AL14]

Are we going to enjoy another stunning Toyota Gazoo Racing Win? Would be awesome! :D

[BigWorm]

Argentina is always full of drama

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I hope it never changes.

[Rallyper]

No, 5 min lost for Breen.

[EstWRC]

another stage win for Evans, this is just mega at the moment

[tomhlord]

Podium for Ostberg?

[KKS]

Meeke... again BUMP!

[AL14]

Hats off to DMACK guys. What a stunning job in little more than one year.

[tomhlord]

Mental.

[wrc2017]

Meeke... again BUMP!

i think citroen's seem to be stuggling with high spped bumps

[EstWRC]

Ostberg up to third, lol

[macebig]

Finnish village team hype train!!!

[steve.mandzij]

Are Bertelli and Gorban really shit or are their cars much slower than the rest? (In Gorban's case, barely faster than R5's)

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[steve.mandzij]

Finnish village team hype train!!!
Yay, a passenger! Someone tried to derail it before it even left the station. Ha!

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[bassist]

Meeke... again BUMP!

Oh bloody hell-again! Pissed off Big time now!!!!!!!

[tommeke_B]

Hats off to DMACK guys. What a stunning job in little more than one year.
Well, they're in the WRC for 5 years now (I think)... ;) Anyway, it's amazing what these people have done. In the beginning many (including myself) thought it was just something that would end nowhere and they would disappear after some time.

[EightGear]

Are Bertelli and Gorban really shit or are their cars much slower than the rest? (In Gorban's case, barely faster than R5's)

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They are in 2016 cars....

[tommeke_B]

They are in 2016 cars....

Bertelli in a '17. But to steve: to use your words, they're both "shit" yes, just nowhere near world level.

[EightGear]

Bertelli in a '17.

Sorry you're right.

But not that it makes any difference to his stage times..

[MikeD]

They are in 2016 cars....

Bertelli isnt, he's in the new 2017 car. I was only in Sweden he wa sin the old car. Gorban is in a 2011 MINI :o/

[Simmi]

Will be interested to check out the onboard and these compressions. Latvala was frightening himself in Sweden on similar fast sections. Cars just doing unpredictable stuff for a lot of drivers. Exciting rally so far. Final nail in the championship coffin for Meeke.

[jparker]

Michelin may match Dmack on the second loop if they choose harder compound.

[AL14]

Well, they're in the WRC for 5 years now (I think)... ;) Anyway, it's amazing what these people have done. In the beginning many (including myself) thought it was just something that would end nowhere and they would disappear after some time.

Yes! I mean in the last year because it's when they decided to have their own team and improve R&D with the italian engineer from Pirelli and other changes

[GigiGalliNo1]

What a rough and tough rally! I thought Cyprus or Turkey were back in town. I hope these cars and drivers survive the weekend! It's only day 1...

[KKS]

What a rough and tough rally! I thought Cyprus or Turkey were back in town. I hope these cars and drivers survive the weekend! It's only day 1...
They all before season thinking about speed. Now they must think and about "getting to the finish first"

[stefanvv]

Are we going to enjoy another stunning Toyota Gazoo Racing Win? Would be awesome! :D

Wait for the season to start, so we can see their failures:D:D:D

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-dpHCxXoAAolBA.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-dpFi5WsAoG1IJ.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-dqBfgXkAAE7as.jpg

[EstWRC]

i would prefer an Evans win, but the rally is long. at this rate anyone can win :D

[EstWRC]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-gbJv4XUAIM-Cn.jpg

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-fTM4sW0AEUxN8.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-fTOhIXoAA-a4J.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-fTNQ2XkAAs9n5.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-fTRCyXcAEhKje.jpg

[rayh_mx]

Any one knows what happen to Guerra?

[jparker]

It's just cosmetic guys, Meeke will continue :)

[dimviii]

Breen retired from broken gearbox

[dimviii]

Neuville onboard

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-ewPFmXsAAYXoX.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-ewRWtXUAEwowc.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-ewP6RWAAASDUB.jpg
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