Rally Wrc Mexico 2017

[dimviii]

Mechanical question: is it possible that some cars lose more power than others in high altitude situations?

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of course.

[steve.mandzij]

of course.
So it's reasonable to think that the Yaris is losing more time compared to everyone else in this situation. Latvala is definitely capable amd he's not distraught. This time it might be a matter of a power difference to the guys ahead.

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[Mirek]

It's a possibility but it can't be said for sure.

[dimviii]

So it's reasonable to think that the Yaris is losing more time compared to everyone else in this situation. Latvala is definitely capable amd he's not distraught. This time it might be a matter of a power difference to the guys ahead.


its not clear yet the reason they are loosing time.
Latvala is not the driver that is capable to be first on the road without loosing ages.
This only Loeb and Ogier have managed.
so we don't know how much Latvala, or the car have share at this.

[EstWRC]

lets see if Ogier starts to really push on the second loop in a couple of hours, i hope so

[KKS]

Neuville even himself admits he isnt pushing and im being called a fool here when i said it
He pushed in Monte and Sweden and we see what happen. Better he not pushing and not crashing here.

[KKS]

would really appreciate seeing this kind of pace from sordo when he's actually fighting for a podium in other rallies...i suppose at this point in this rally he has nothing to lose
Actually he doing well yesterday too, if you remember he was on 3rd place before his car broke. He doing good rally, but fortune not on his side.

[RS]

That useless Frenchman was relatively often faster than Breen when both used R5 cars in ERC.

When was that? I can't remember.. I thought Lefebvre went straight from JERC to WRC2?

[GravelBen]

He pushed in Monte and Sweden and we see what happen. Better he not pushing and not crashing here.

His Monte and Sweden accidents both happened when had a big lead and wasn't pushing so I'm not sure what your point is meant to be?

[Mirek]

When was that? I can't remember.. I thought Lefebvre went straight from JERC to WRC2?

For example RMC 2015 or Ypres 2015. Also Janner but Lefebvre was very slow there at the beginning but in the end got farther than Breen. Got disqualified one stage before the end.

[dimviii]

Michelin Motorsport‏
#tyre info:
Ogier: 2 LTX Force H4+ 3S5
Tanak: 3H+2S
Meeke: 4H+2S
Toyota: 5S
Sordo/Paddon: 3S+2H
Neuville: 4S+1H
#WRC #RallyMexico



again Meeke only with 6 tyres.
Latvala Neuville Hanninen only with softs

[Duvel]

Neuville just doing what he has to do, strange some guys just dont accept that.
Its a bit of a shame yes, but 3 first drivers in the rally standings are just being smart. Also hope for a puch of Ogier now though.

I cant help it, but whit all the sss in this rally.. Hope this is not going to happen in all rally's. I agree, one sss a day would be ok, but this is just stupid.

[wia5958]

For example RMC 2015 or Ypres 2015. Also Janner but Lefebvre was very slow there at the beginning but in the end got farther than Breen. Got disqualified one stage before the end.

If i remember correctly breen was plagued by issues with the 208 he also retired in ypres its hardly a fair comparison also breen scored more stage wins and overall points in wrc2 in 2015 than lefebvre did breen with 11 stages wins lefebvre 5 stage wins

[J_n_z]

What are this LTX Force tires?
Specially for super rough terrain?

[dimviii]

DMACK Tyres‏*@DMACK_Tyres
Afternoon action underway. @ElfynEvans has 3 DMG+2 GS62 soft compound tyres and 2 GH23 hard - lets see what he can do…

[danon]

It's a possibility but it can't be said for sure.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bd97pViCAAAhH7i.jpg

[BicioWrc]

Ott stop?:(

no it's ok!..just problem with gps of wrc+

[dimviii]

Evans 20 sec faster at split 3 from first pass,definetely the road is faster.
Latvala was faster from Evans at first pass,now he appears slower at first 2 splits.

[tc10a]

Ott stop?:(

no, started the stage 14:39 and is moving

[Fast Eddie WRC]

lets see if Ogier starts to really push on the second loop in a couple of hours, i hope so

Not too sure he will.. wont want to take the risk when he has a certain 2nd place. Might just wait and match Meeke's time and hope for a mistake from him...

[KKS]

His Monte and Sweden accidents both happened when had a big lead and wasn't pushing so I'm not sure what your point is meant to be?
I'm not sure at 100% about Sweden, but in Monte he pushed a lot...

[seb_sh]

I'm not sure at 100% about Sweden, but in Monte he pushed a lot...

Both rallies he said he was controlling a couple of stages before he crashed. He wasn't pushing when the mistakes happened.

[danon]

this bloke Evans always sounds fatigue like a 1.0 liter engine at the top of a steep hill... aah, ooh, eeh

[er88]

Sensible from Meeke, he was quicker than Seb this morning even despite taking 2 spares

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[KKS]

Both rallies he said he was controlling a couple of stages before he crashed. He wasn't pushing when the mistakes happened.
Look at Monte videos he was "one wheel in ditch" mostly in every corner. this is controlling mode? don't think so.
At Sweden I think was same but due to snow road we don't see this clearly.

And now he driving to the finish whatever place it would be

[dimviii]

Sordo pushing

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C6qmzxkU8AAGp8m.jpg

[KKS]

it called now "controlled mode" :D

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Tanak hit a dog and damaged the front spoiler...

[EightGear]

Ott hit a dog, not sure if it was a sick one though?

[EstWRC]

damn sick dogs want to ruin Tänak's race

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Why didnt he do this ... ;)
https://d13csqd2kn0ewr.cloudfront.net/uploads/image/file/201075/cropped_Cq_HeqTWgAEdujQ.jpg?ts=1472480662

[danon]

Hanninen is the Samurai of the event fighting that nasty flu trying to get him down all the time...

[dimviii]

Evans 30 sec faster from 1st pass
Latvala 10 sec faster from 1 st pass
Hanninen 8 sec faster from 1st pass
Paddon 25 faster from 1st pass
Tanak 26 faster
Neuville 17 sec faster

[Mirek]

If i remember correctly breen was plagued by issues with the 208 he also retired in ypres its hardly a fair comparison also breen scored more stage wins and overall points in wrc2 in 2015 than lefebvre did breen with 11 stages wins lefebvre 5 stage wins

Breen went off in Ypres while both were within 1 second. But my point was that Breen wasn't clearly that better when both had same car.

[steve.mandzij]

Nonsense, it was a dumb nationalistic village dog

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[seb_sh]

Look at Monte videos he was "one wheel in ditch" mostly in every corner. this is controlling mode? don't think so.
At Sweden I think was same but due to snow road we don't see this clearly.

And now he driving to the finish whatever place it would be

Seeing he has one wheel in the ditch in random videos has nothing to do with what I explained. Go look at the times of each stage and interviews.

[GeoFerg_Sco]

No splits for Meeke?

[sollitt]

no split for meeke?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Sordo 10m pen cancelled !!

[stefanvv]

Meeke is moving, don't worry

[KKS]

I admit it few years ago when Sordo be in Citroen... every... every!!!! last stage split Sordo doing worse than all the others

[Eli]

yes!!!!!! Dani got his 10 minutes penalty back off him!!!!

[jparker]

and out of nowhere Sordo is fighting for the lead.

[KKS]

what a great news to Dani!!!! Whoooooooohuuu

[steve.mandzij]

Yay sordo! Good for him.

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[EstWRC]

lmao...this is just so much

[stefanvv]

Sordo 10m pen cancelled !!

that would mean he jumps 2nd

[EightGear]

that would mean he jumps 2nd
No he still gets slow times for those SSS , some minutes down but less than 10.

[seb_sh]

heh what a twist!

[er88]

Ogier says he was on the limit, absolutely went for it. Let's see what Meeke can do...

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[er88]

Meeke loses 2.2s, decent time considering Ogier said he went for it

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[Fast Eddie WRC]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C6qpuqSVsAAzpDc.jpg:large

[KKS]

http://www.rallymexico.com/files/rep/2.4_Stewards_Decision_No._3.pdf
Stewards Decision for Sordo

[EightGear]

Sordo is 8th now.

[SubaruNorway]

and out of nowhere Sordo is fighting for the lead.

No, he still lost around 7-8min with the allocated times

[seb_sh]

If Ogier continues to chip away at Meeke it might be a showdown at the powerstage :D

[dimviii]

Nice time for Meeke with equal road and the weight of 1 tyre more.

[EstWRC]

stage win for Ogier, he doesnt get them so much nowadays

[Fast Eddie WRC]

So Ogier was pushing and is taking the fight to Meeke... respect for that.

[stefanvv]

No he still gets slow times for those SSS , some minutes down but less than 10.

ahh, yeah, I didn't know he finished those stages.

[dimviii]

Lets see at the next big one,who will preserve his tyres better.Nice rally so far,pitty that we had the cancellation of the 2 stages.

edit Meeke was on hards.

[er88]

The next stage is key, soft tyres supposedly going to work better there and Ogier will go flat out. Meeke just needs to make sure he doesn't lose more than 7-8s, otherwise Seb is right back in it

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[Tarmop]

Dogs getting killed and othe stuff. Pointless and cruel rally.

[EstWRC]

the next stage will be interesting, Neuville with only 1 hard and his tyres were quite worn already accordin to radio

[steve.mandzij]

Another question: does anyone know if the high altitude power loss comes into effect at any other rally on the calendar?

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[macebig]

Meeke is worried about tyres.

[dimviii]

Both Ogier and Meeke -20 sec from 1st pass

[stefanvv]

Another question: does anyone know if the high altitude power loss comes into effect at any other rally on the calendar?

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Probably only El Condor in Argentina.

[jparker]

No, he still lost around 7-8min with the allocated times

Yes, you are right, but who knows, he may still have a shot for the lead.

[danon]

nah maybe motogp testing in sand land... ducati revealed an interesting front fairing.

http://i.imgur.com/f0lps2G.jpg

how is the testing going, kid... is ducati glued or flying with that fairing...

[EstWRC]

Both Ogier and Meeke -20 sec from 1st pass

Sordo just 11 secs quicker and Tänak 25 secs quicker than in the morning

[steve.mandzij]

Probably only El Condor in Argentina.
Alright, thanks. Wanted to know if the Jaris would be less powerful than the rest of the roster anywhere else.

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[stefanvv]

Alright, thanks. Wanted to know if the Jaris would be less powerful than the rest of the roster anywhere else.

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Hah well, we aren't sure how they'll develop after Mexico in this direction.

[Mirek]

Another question: does anyone know if the high altitude power loss comes into effect at any other rally on the calendar?

Yes, You can check altitudes Youself 😉 Argentina for example has stages over 2000 meters.

[noel157]

Yes, you are right, but who knows, he may still have a shot for the lead.

Little or no chance.

[dimviii]

Meeke is worried about tyres.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C6qvCSiWkAIWm8f.jpg

[Mirek]

Probably only El Condor in Argentina.

Is Mina Clevero still in? That one has similar altitude to El Condor.

[jparker]

Little or no chance.

Yes, without retirements that's clear.

I think he has the wild card to push as much as he can.

[beta_racing]

SS9 Media Luna 1
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Spectators :confused:

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[stefanvv]

Is Mina Clevero still in? That one has similar altitude to El Condor.

I don't know about it. Remember only El Condor had such high altitude there, but there might be more similar.

[stefanvv]

P.P.: How to make this image larger :mad:

Upload it somewhere and point the link.

[beta_racing]

Spectators :confused:
http://i67.tinypic.com/255ufcg.jpg

[stefanvv]

Spectators :confused:
http://i67.tinypic.com/255ufcg.jpg

Stupid ones, however did they changed Ogier's FX camera again? Have to check it out for SS12

[satukata]

SS9 Media Luna 1
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Spectators :confused:

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crazy father!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Another... will they ever learn ? :rolleyes:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C6qyVKmWcAAEvlj.jpg:large

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C6qxcaFWkAEwHDA.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C6qxc4mWgAEc1oP.jpg

[stefanvv]

Another... will they ever learn ? :rolleyes:

Probably - never.

[smokingjoe]

wouldn't be so bad if they were standing there, but sitting down makes their escape somewhat delayed

[satukata]

Latinos are bullfighters.. Not nice pictures :(

[satukata]

No is time for Big Balls. Ogiers fight start now! Hope Meeke stay on road under pressure!

[danon]

Latinos are bullfighters.. Not nice pictures :(



https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/3f/24/3f/3f243fa88cc09ae97989c54c26580fa5.jpg

[satukata]

It´s first time for a long time i want see Ogier´s Max attack!!

[dimviii]

Latvala again slow at splits.The worrying is that he haven't mentioned any kind of problems.

[satukata]

JM should stop cruising mode.. Sordo is very near!! All points are important!

[steve.mandzij]

Latvala again slow at splits.The worrying is that he haven't mentioned any kind of problems.
I've concluded it's probably just the Yaris lakcing oomph. If it were his fault he'd know and get frustrated. He's way too happy for that.

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[stefanvv]

Latvala again slow at splits.The worrying is that he haven't mentioned any kind of problems.

He is just cruising, nothing special.

[satukata]

Latvala again slow at splits.The worrying is that he haven't mentioned any kind of problems.

Jm said in interview in service that thay take power down from the engine at the morning..

[stefanvv]

Tanak is in his own race.

[satukata]

Hope tanak can fight with thierry

[dimviii]

Jm said in interview in service that thay take power down from the engine at the morning..

same have done fiestas and hyundais,thats why they don't have temp problems.
with this rhythm of Sordo,at last stage today he will be very close to Latvala.

[danon]

Elfyn always sounds like a castrated bull...

[steve.mandzij]

Jm said in interview in service that thay take power down from the engine at the morning..
So Toyota made the engine weaker on purpose? It would make sense if they couldn't find a proper fix to the overheating issues.

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[steve.mandzij]

I don't think Sordo will catch Latvala with so little stages left. The gap is nearly a minute and it's not closing fast enough. I do think that Latvala might catch Hanninen though.

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[steve.mandzij]

Did Bertelli stop? No third split.

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[BigWorm]

Neuville stopped according to Valmar Viisel. Any news on why?

[USER47]

Did Bertelli stop? No third split.
Yeah, tracking system shows he's stopped...

[Franky]

Neuville stopped according to Valmar Viisel. Any news on why?

It's from the radio. If it was anything, then just a momentary stop. But the splits don't reflect any stopping.

[BigWorm]

It's from the radio. If it was anything, then just a momentary stop. But the splits don't reflect any stopping.

Yeah, felt strange since his last split is competitive.

[dimviii]

nice clip with Paddon
https://twitter.com/RallyingUK

[A FONDO]

Exactly 1 month ago


I am amazed how some of you worry that Citroen is weak because it does not win stages in these two rallies. Come the dry gravel Meeke will have a rally with good pace and LAtvala struggle with setup/feeling first two days, what will you say then?

[USER47]

It's from the radio. If it was anything, then just a momentary stop. But the splits don't reflect any stopping.
I think it may have been just the tracking system freezing for a moment. It's not exactly overly reliable.

[er88]

Meeke flying at first split, superb stuff

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[USER47]

Bertelli is ok, it's just a tracking system bug apparently.

[KKS]

Ogier pushing hard now.... he really on fire now!

[Kalm]

So Toyota made the engine weaker on purpose? It would make sense if they couldn't find a proper fix to the overheating issues.

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Seems like drilling holes didnt help :D

[EstWRC]

it seems Meeke doesnt want to finish this one too but fingers crossed he does

[KKS]

No TV covarage of re-run of El Brinco?

[dimviii]

Sordo not fast at this stage.

[OldF]

same have done fiestas and hyundais,thats why they don't have temp problems.

How do you know that, have some of the team members said that to you?

In the video with headers
Lets hear what #10 @JariMattiWRC had to say at the midday regroup/service today. #wrc #RallyMexico https://twitter.com/TGR_WRC

Jari-Matti says they had to take power out not damage the engine. Probably more important to gather data than pursue a good position.

[bluuford]

Final section is for soft tyres, So, it is Ogiers trump and bad for Meeke, lets ee

[dimviii]

How do you know that, have some of the team members said that to you?


they don't have to told me,just there is not any other solution to this problem.

[EstWRC]

yeah, Tänak lost a lot to Neuville there who was on softs.

[Eli]

so is Meeke out or what?

[EightGear]

Ogier had a spin.

[WRC1]

Ogier lost 13sec to Neuville in the last section!!!!???

[KKS]

Good one Kris! Well done!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Meeke 39.5 sec lead now o/a !! :)

[er88]

it seems Meeke doesnt want to finish this one too but fingers crossed he does
Nah mate, Kris just knows what it takes to win events. He was gonna make a statement on this stage seeing as he was up on Ogier before his spin. This was the key stage of the rally

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[skarderud]

Pitty meeke had this bad start for the season, hopefully he can rise and shine thru the year and do this a exiting year!

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[EstWRC]

Ogier cracks under pressure

[eddy707]

So second rally in a row where Ogier has made a mistake when trying to catch the leader

[Augury]

Plus Australia.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Ogier cracks under pressure

Car still not how he wants.. give him a chance and he will win once more.

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C6rD5K2W0AE-xgs.jpg

[Eli]

hopefully Meeke won't bin it like his friend Neuville in the Super Special Stage.

[OldF]

they don't have to told me,just there is not any other solution to this problem.

That’s just your assumptions.

[dimviii]

Tidemand closed the gap under a second to Camilli


https://youtu.be/b8Ar61IiC_E

[EstWRC]

Car still not how he wants.. give him a chance and he will win once more.

of course he will but time to time we have seen that when he has pressure from others he starts to do mistakes, he has made a mistake every rally so far.

[dimviii]

That’s just your assumptions.

no its not my assumption,its the reality.You cant do anything else,just mapping.

[spiderem]

maybe Ogier cracks under pressure, but he is still second. And so was he the last few rally he made a mistake. The others when they crack they finish outside a top 8.

[EstWRC]

maybe Ogier cracks under pressure, but he is still second. And so was he the last few rally he made a mistake. The others when they crack they finish outside a top 8.

i have nothing against him and thats why he is a 4 time champion, and im always wondering how he gets away with all these mistakes. just sayn that he is a human after all and does some mistakes time to time especially when he has pressure.

Stage win for Tänak, him and Neuville are the only ones who have stage win from every rally this season.

[dimviii]

https://youtu.be/DGfDht-sfBM

[danon]

Car still not how he wants.. give him a chance and he will win once more.

As I said - Ford is not Ogier's lethal weapon!

PS: And will never be!!!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Ogier's not cracking, just pushing to try to win. Thought thats what people wanted...

He's settled for second now and will lead the WRC once more.

.

[bluuford]

Stage win for Tänak, him and Neuville are the only ones who have stage win from every rally this season.

Sordo should be also in the club?

[EstWRC]

what stage he won in sweden, cant remember?

[BigWorm]

what stage he won in sweden, cant remember?

Won the second run of Karlstad SSS

[A FONDO]

Too big gaps for 55kms tomorrow :( But in WRC2 Camili/Tidemand is undecided yet.

[EstWRC]

Won the Karlstad SSS didn't he

yeah i just checked it...Neuville, Sordo and Tänak then.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Ogier: "We tried what we could today but Meeke was just too fast. If we finish Rally Mexico in 2nd position, it'll still be great news!"

[olemann]

Ogier just enjoying themselves in this rally. Meeks is no competitor when, after two rounds is in 14th place and hear home in second division.

[dimviii]

so what happens to Yaris? any ideas?

[BigWorm]

Top 5 is pretty much settled unless mistakes/mech issues but Latvala should catch Hänninen. Sordo could as well maybe, he's set some nice times this rally.

[KKS]

so what happens to Yaris? any ideas?
not enough gravel tests and as a result bad gravel setup and other heating/cooling things

[danon]

never seen Ogier doing so many mistakes with any other car as he did with Ford... thanks to his exceptional skills Ford and Malcolm Wilson are making it big time... still

[Rallyper]

Ogier just enjoying themselves in this rally. Meeks is no competitor when, after two rounds is in 14th place and hear home in second division.

Ehh? What?

[danon]

so what happens to Yaris? any ideas?

you'll be answered as soon as the motogp test is over...

[dimviii]

slow puncture for Meeke at autodromo de Leon,now the gap to Ogier at 33,4 sec

[EstWRC]

it started to rain and Paddon and Tänak got the worst of it and it stopped just right after they had finished, lol

[noel157]

Ogier just enjoying themselves in this rally. Meeks is no competitor when, after two rounds is in 14th place and hear home in second division.

Meeke in 2nd division? What are you smoking?

[N.O.T]

Its a pity that toyota opted for an amateur management team , lets hope they change it soon.

It was of course evident that the car was nothing and would show its true potential when the season started.

from fluke to flop in less than a month.

[steve.mandzij]

Its a pity that toyota opted for an amateur management team , lets hope they change it soon.

It was of course evident that the car was nothing and would show its true potential when the season started.

from fluke to flop in less than a month.
>fluke >specialist event

>flop >specialist event

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[Mariusz]

Why do you feed the troll?

[steve.mandzij]

Why do you feed the troll?
I partly give in and partly enjoy his accusations. It's annoying and gets old but still. I'll stop now.

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[N.O.T]

i told you after Sweden that the season will start in mexico...

I think if toyota sacks their amateur management they still can salvage this farce they call a professional team.

Latvala a previous winner here and always competitive is 4 minutes behind even after the wall people cancelled almost 1/3 of the rally.

They are such amateurs that they even jeopardize the health of one of their drivers by letting him drive while he can barely talk...

Maybe they need more posters of their boss when he was driving with Mitsubishi, to motivate them.

[Mk2 RS2000]

They are such amateurs that they even jeopardize the health of one of their drivers by letting him drive while he can barely talk...

.

The written words of a true wp@#r, no sports person gives up as long as there is breath in their body

[N.O.T]

The written words of a true wanker, no sports person gives up as long as there is breath in their body

thats exactly why it should be the teams decision to withdraw him instead of putting him at risk... but as i said... amateurs.

[SPKen]

SS13 Lajas de Oro
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfKzfmCGIDg

[jparker]

Very impressed by potential of Yaris, reduced power and still competitive. Soon Ogier skills will not be enough to keep up with the rest.

[smokingjoe]

They are such amateurs that they even jeopardize the health of one of their drivers by letting him drive while he can barely talk...

only an issue when the co-driver is speechless

[A FONDO]

Why those faggots from red bull do not unlock the replay of the midnight recap? They want us to watch it after the third leg begin or what?!

[beta_racing]

Juho is not the first driver to compete while he's ill. For example, his compatriot Toni Gardemeister was also suffering from a flu on the same rally back in its first WRC edition in 2004. Then he was the surprising leader in the standings after Monte Carlo and Sweden, but as far as I remeber his condition was not so bad as we saw poor Juho yesterday... ;(:(

[Eli]

Juho is not the first driver to compete while he's ill. For example, his compatriot Toni Gardemeister was also suffering from a flu on the same rally back in its first WRC edition in 2004. Then he was the surprising leader in the standings after Monte Carlo and Sweden, but as far as I remember his condition was not so bad as we saw poor Juho yesterday... ;(:(

you mean 2005, when he was leading with Ford. 2004 it was Loeb who won the first two rounds.

[A FONDO]

The thing is he would not have been much faster even at full health.

[beta_racing]

you mean 2005, when he was leading with Ford. 2004 it was Loeb who won the first two rounds.

Yes, my mistake!

[dodge33cymru]

Maybe Evans is just an SSS master, but would have been interesting to see how he'd have done for the rest of the day if he'd not been running at the front.

[RS]

so what happens to Yaris? any ideas?

Bit much to judge after one 'normal' event, but maybe too much testing on Finn-type roads which only make up two or three events of the calendar?

Will be interesting to see how things go in Corsica and Portugal, although we should remember the performance here was probably what we all expected before the season started and they rather exceeded our expectations on the first two rounds.

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C6tFupCWwAAAoqg.jpg

[maciotacio]

Maybe Evans is just an SSS master, but would have been interesting to see how he'd have done for the rest of the day if he'd not been running at the front.

Nah, he's not. Mickey mouse stages has alway been his Achilles' heel. Just look through the past results. Those Dmacks are really on it! Furthermore they can even handle very looong, hot stages - it's still early to conclude, but it seems like Dmack has done their mid-season homework pretty good. At least, they exceeded my expectations.

[Rallyper]

Shouldn´t Lefebvre and Bertelli sweep the road as well?

[Simmi]

Shouldn´t Lefebvre and Bertelli sweep the road as well?

Not according to the 2017 regs no.

[dimviii]

Bit much to judge after one 'normal' event, but maybe too much testing on Finn-type roads which only make up two or three events of the calendar?.
Maybe, for sure different kind of gravel compared to other rallies,with no sweep effect like Mexico.


Will be interesting to see how things go in Corsica and Portugal, although we should remember the performance here was probably what we all expected before the season started and they rather exceeded our expectations on the first two rounds.

ok we didn't expect to shine,due to start position,but here we had differences from 0,8 sec/km to 1,3 sec/km which are huge,even at 2nd pass with much more clear roads.
imho there wasn't problem with less engine power compared to fiesta/c3/i20.
If you watch at stage el Brinco they were close to other cars.This stage was with wide roads and high speed corners.
So at a stage that they hadn't got to steer a lot,or with plenty of tight corners,they were closer to other cars.Of course if they were down to power vs other cars,they couldn't come closer to faster crews.
Also we have to think that its the first rally that car is ''right'' with homologation.We don't know how much this have affect their slow times(rear suspension 1,5cm smaller distance from top mount to lower mounting point)
Strange too that we didn't hear at day 2 stage ends interviews.specially Latvala to complain about something specifically. Everything was ok (Hanninen also) and suddenly ''they were just trying setups''
Of course when you are so back at position,you are going to try different setups for future references,but didn't understand what was the problem of slow times.
I d like to hear your opinions.

[traxx]

What is the rule ?
How can mechanics fix a car outside the service ?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C6qKSR5VoAEH5Vm.jpg
https://twitter.com/fuckmatie37/status/840636376466972673

[Mirek]

So out of 15 stages there were 8 superspecials. Now only 2 stages to go. Nice...

[Medved]

to traxx: I think it is possible only to change broken windscreen in Parc Ferme, nothing else.

[denkimi]

i always wondered how they attach those windscreens.

[dimviii]

Quotes:
Tommi Mäkinen (Team principal)
“Our engineers and mechanics did a great job to sort out the overheating problems we experienced yesterday, so thank you to them for this. The cars were good today, no problems and no repeat of the issue: the only thing for the drivers was outside factors such as tyre choices, a puncture and in Juho’s case, not feeling well. It’s really not been easy for him so he has done very well. Jari-Matti too has extracted the maximum possible today. Tomorrow, our goal is to score driver and manufacturer points with both cars. Considering everything, I am happy with how the rally has gone so far.”
Jari-Matti Latvala (Driver car 10)
”We’ve been managing the car and our situation today and that has worked well for us. The only mistake we made is choosing the wrong tyre: we were actually expecting rain, then it didn't happen, so we ended up running on a tyre that was too soft, which gave us a lot of wear. The team found a solution to the overheating problems that were affecting us yesterday, which meant that we were gradually able to increase the power throughout the day. On the final day tomorrow, our aim is to defend our position and score some points: especially on the Power Stage.”
Juho Hänninen (Driver car 11)
”We did what we could today. Like Jari-Matti, our tyre choice was a bit too soft. Also I wasn’t feeling so well: it’s hard to know how much that affected me, but this afternoon was little better. Generally it was OK on the stages but it felt worse after I stopped. The car felt very good: thank you to the engineers and mechanics for fixing the problem we had yesterday so efficiently. Today we did a lot of valuable mileage, which means that we can be much better in future in these types of conditions.”

http://toyotagazooracing.com/release/2017/wrc/rd03-day3.html

[dimviii]

i always wondered how they attach those windscreens.

with special glue for automotive windscreens.

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61bDXz0hl0L._SY355_.jpg

[Rally Power]

Bit much to judge after one 'normal' event, but maybe too much testing on Finn-type roads which only make up two or three events of the calendar?

Come on guys…apart Citroen all cars were affected by Mexico conditions. The Yaris seems to be the most affected, but we already know the car is competitive.

Btw, no doubt Meeke should be congratulated for his driving (fingers crossed!) but Citroen engineers work must also be noticed. It’d be nice to see the "always ready to condemn" fans (the same that recently call Citroen a ‘disgrace’) give the French manu staff a praising word!

[bluuford]

to traxx: I think it is possible only to change broken windscreen in Parc Ferme, nothing else.

It is almost always allowed to change windscreen by mechanics between the stages and outside service area, due to safety reason, pure safety aspect.

[dimviii]

. The Yaris seems to be the most affected, but we already know the car is competitive.

competitive was at Sweden only,a rally that was competitive also a fabia wrc at past.At Monte and Mexico ?

[dimviii]

talking about sick dogs

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C6stpFGW0AAxUa6.jpg

[Rally Power]

So out of 15 stages there were 8 superspecials. Now only 2 stages to go. Nice...

Yep. 1 SSS per day, like it was said here before, is enough. Despite the trouble Mexico City as a opening stage makes sense, but they should choose between Leon’s track and the other street stages.

[dimviii]

Yves Matton, Citroën Racing Team Principal
"It has been a positive day, since Kris has significantly added to his overall lead. Obviously, he can go for the win tomorrow, provided he maintains a pace that ensures he makes it to the end. Everything would be going perfectly if it weren't for the retirement of Stéphane, who was really unlucky in coming to a stop just a few feet off the road. It's a shame, but he'll be back in action tomorrow under Rally2 rules. The Citroën Racing team can be satisfied about the reliability and performance levels of the Citroën C3 WRCs, which have been perfect thus far."
Kris Meeke
"Following a solid morning, we knew the afternoon loop could be decisive after going for a harder tyre choice than our direct rivals. I had to make it stick… and it worked! On the longest stage, I was able to pull clear. I've now got a healthy lead in the overall standings, but we'll need to keep it neat and tidy tomorrow. I'm pleased to have been able to show the potential of the Citroën C3 WRC. I knew we had done a good job on the car! I'm also proud to have been quicker than Sébastien Ogier in normal racing conditions, without anyone mentioning the start order."
Stéphane Lefebvre
"Three kilometres from the end of SS10, I got caught out when I lost the rear of the car on a long left-hand turn. The car slid wide and off the road, onto a slope. We were unable to get the car back on the road, as there weren't enough spectators around to help us. It's pretty rough for us, given just how many fans there are next to the roads here! Everything was going well up to that point. I felt good in the car, but this minor mistake is a very costly one. I'll be back in action tomorrow to keep learning about the stages."

https://www.facebook.com/notes/citro%C3%ABn-racing/kris-meeke-stretches-lead-at-rally-mexico/10154547438023525

[Rally Power]

competitive was at Sweden only,a rally that was competitive also a fabia wrc at past.At Monte and Mexico ?

They got a podium on their first outing and a win on their second. Do you really believe that can be achieved without a competitive car?!?

[dimviii]

They got a podium on their first outing and a win on their second. Do you really believe that can be achieved without a competitive car?!?

show me the competitive car at Monte and Mexico.

[Eli]

they only (truly) competitive car at the moment who was on the podium on both occasions, M-Sport.

[SubaruNorway]

Shouldn´t Lefebvre and Bertelli sweep the road as well?

Guess Bertelli did rally 2 to fix the car properly, because he finished all the stages

[Rally Power]

show me the competitive car at Monte and Mexico.

Have a nice Sunday dimviii!

[Rallyper]

Didn´t JML say they had to handle car yesterday after circumstances (e.g. overheating problems on friday) which would mean they don´t take out full power or so? Or what did he mean by saying that? To me it explains why they had mediocre times yesterday.

[Lundefaret]

Maybe, for sure different kind of gravel compared to other rallies,with no sweep effect like Mexico.



ok we didn't expect to shine,due to start position,but here we had differences from 0,8 sec/km to 1,3 sec/km which are huge,even at 2nd pass with much more clear roads.
imho there wasn't problem with less engine power compared to fiesta/c3/i20.
If you watch at stage el Brinco they were close to other cars.This stage was with wide roads and high speed corners.
So at a stage that they hadn't got to steer a lot,or with plenty of tight corners,they were closer to other cars.Of course if they were down to power vs other cars,they couldn't come closer to faster crews.
Also we have to think that its the first rally that car is ''right'' with homologation.We don't know how much this have affect their slow times(rear suspension 1,5cm smaller distance from top mount to lower mounting point)
Strange too that we didn't hear at day 2 stage ends interviews.specially Latvala to complain about something specifically. Everything was ok (Hanninen also) and suddenly ''they were just trying setups''
Of course when you are so back at position,you are going to try different setups for future references,but didn't understand what was the problem of slow times.
I d like to hear your opinions.

Rally Finland 2016 was one of the most sweeping-decided event of the whole year.

[pantealex]

Fact is that Toyota has been slowest WRC in Mexico.

Will it be slowest in Portugal? Maybe, but I don´t think so.

For Corsica and Argentina I can´t say anything, yet.

[A FONDO]

they only (truly) competitive car at the moment who was on the podium on both occasions, M-Sport.
Completely wrong. I'm not even sure if Ford is better than Citroen at the moment. Maybe later in the season Ogier's input will make the difference.
Hyundau is clearly one floor above everyone else.

[dimviii]

Didn´t JML say they had to handle car yesterday after circumstances (e.g. overheating problems on friday) which would mean they don´t take out full power or so? Or what did he mean by saying that? To me it explains why they had mediocre times yesterday.

at El Brinco 2 how did they manage to be so close without full power?
http://www.ewrc-results.com/results.php?e=36014&s=133829&t=Rally-Guanajuato-Mexico-2017

[Eli]

Completely wrong. I'm not even sure if Ford is better than Citroen at the moment. Maybe later in the season Ogier's input will make the difference.
Hyundau is clearly one floor above everyone else.
Well if results are anything to go by, although the Hyundai does have the most stage wins...doesn't reflect in the Manu. Standings.

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[nafpaktos]

Completely wrong. I'm not even sure if Ford is better than Citroen at the moment. Maybe later in the season Ogier's input will make the difference.
Hyundau is clearly one floor above everyone else.

We will see the true potential of ford when ogier will have enough mileage behind his new toy. compare tanak's performance to hyundai second drivers and tell me your conclusions.

[dimviii]

Rally Finland 2016 was one of the most sweeping-decided event of the whole year.

of course there is sweeping as a gravel rally,but I don't think its near like Mexico or some other gravel events.

[dimviii]

Have a nice Sunday dimviii!

you to mate.

[dimviii]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxSHT0vvhyk

[A FONDO]

We will see the true potential of ford when ogier will have enough mileage behind his new toy. compare tanak's performance to hyundai second drivers and tell me your conclusions.

Hard to do it, but if you insist... Tanak is very solid, but Sordo is a sort of spoiled and when he doesn't like something, he just backs off completely. Paddon on the other hand has a huge psychological problem (too high self-built confidence followed by hurting high fall on hard ground) and can't get to grips using the full potential of the car. Anyway everything I have seen from the little Korean is wonderful - fast corners, slow corners, quick change of direction, stability under braking, proper acceleration, tamed rear at corner exit, etcetra.

[EstWRC]

that Hyundai is definitely best at the moment. This time neuville isn't as fast in previous rallies but sordos performance yesterday was mind blowing and I don't consider him the best gravel driver. He did very well in Sweden too.

[Mintexmemory]

that Hyundai is definitely best at the moment. This time neuville isn't as fast in previous rallies but sordos performance yesterday was mind blowing and I don't consider him the best gravel driver. He did very well in Sweden too.
Just imagine how dominant Ogier would be if driving the Hyundai. It's good for the competition that the best driver and one of the stage for stage quickest drivers make up the M-Sport team. When Neuville or Paddon finally get their act together they will win some rallies, maybe even take a 1-2 placing. However, only a fool would bet against Ogier also being on the podium, whatever. I think on normal altitude gravel and tarmac Ogier will still have the beating of JML - any other potential competitor will need a consistent run of better podiums than Ogier just to come into contention. Forget the number of respective stage wins, at the end of this rally only one driver will have had 3 successive podiums. That is how a champ does it when not in the best car.

[dimviii]

https://www.redbull.tv/live/AP-1Q84GR1991W11/fia-world-rally-championship



no fear

http://forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_03_2017/post-3985-0-64946700-1489326099.png

[Eli]

https://www.redbull.tv/live/AP-1Q84GR1991W11/fia-world-rally-championship



no fear

http://forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_03_2017/post-3985-0-64946700-1489326099.png
No brains either

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[SubaruNorway]

Not so well promoted this series, but here's part 3 of Going Straight Sideways
https://www.redbull.tv/video/AP-1QYAMV1ES1W11/test-drives-and-training?playlist=AP-1QYABYFYH1W11:episode

[stefanvv]

This time neuville isn't as fast in previous rallies but sordos performance yesterday was mind blowing and I don't consider him the best gravel driver.

Sordo was clearly overdriving so far from what I've seen in the daily reports. However I agree Hyundai is probably the best tuned atm. I'm still not convinced about the Citroen though, seems like tyres were playing some role yesterday, next rallies will show what is it about c3. Good work by the engine engineers though.

[Mariusz]

at El Brinco 2 how did they manage to be so close without full power?
http://www.ewrc-results.com/results.php?e=36014&s=133829&t=Rally-Guanajuato-Mexico-2017
Maybe because of what Latvala said:
"...The team found a solution to the overheating problems that were affecting us yesterday, which meant that we were gradually able to increase the power throughout the day."

[A FONDO]

from what I've seen in the daily reports.

Which reports?

[steve.mandzij]

competitive was at Sweden only,a rally that was competitive also a fabia wrc at past.At Monte and Mexico ?
The Yaris wasn't only competitive in Sweden: on some stages it was far ahead. It was competitive in Monte Carlo too. Had Tanak not had issues and had Neuville not retired Latvala would have finished fourth anyways.

I think this event was a tough one on the car with little testing in similar conditions.

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[EstWRC]

Tänak has had a great journey on this rally...Firstly avoids crashing into local farmer on recce and crashes into a tree, then i think he was the one who lost most because of the engine overheating (not that sure thought) and now, as you can see from pictures below he ran over a dog 135km/h (rip the dog), avoided one dog and then some goats wanted also take him out and on SS16 after the stage the flag guy messes something up and they nearly collide with Paddon. But hey, fourth place and some points from power stage would be very nice.


http://www.rallifoorum.ee/foorum/download/file.php?id=480
http://www.rallifoorum.ee/foorum/download/file.php?id=481

[dimviii]

Sordo was clearly overdriving so far from what I've seen in the daily reports. However I agree Hyundai is probably the best tuned atm. I'm still not convinced about the Citroen though, seems like tyres were playing some role yesterday, next rallies will show what is it about c3. Good work by the engine engineers though.

citroen at 1st day had same tyre choice as other plus the weight of 1 extra spare tyre.
it was again fast with no better tyre choice.
Also with hard compound yesterday,it was fast even at 1st split compared to other cars with soft compounds,again with the extra weight of extra spare tyre.
with hard compounds was also fast at smaller gravel stage(10km) El Brinco.

[jparker]

Am I the only one that thinks Neuville was abele to do more? Was he grounded and not allowed to advance more then third? He stll can put some pressure on Ogier ......

[rayh_mx]

Starting order for today?

[dimviii]

The Yaris wasn't only competitive in Sweden: on some stages it was far ahead. It was competitive in Monte Carlo too. Had Tanak not had issues and had Neuville not retired Latvala would have finished fourth anyways.

At Monte wasn't competitive,just watch stage podiums.Just advantaged from others retirements.
At Sweden is not an indicator to see if a car is fast.

[Mintexmemory]

Am I the only one that thinks Neuville was abele to do more? Was he grounded and not allowed to advance more then third? He stll can put some pressure on Ogier ......

I'm sure if he was capable then Mandan would love Neuville to try to improve his position. Let's face it he is fortunate to be in 3rd place at all and highly unlikely to be pressuring Ogier since he really does need to finish this event. Maybe TN will challenge for the Championship one day but he needs to improve his concentration and consistency first

[dimviii]

Starting order for today?

it was 3 pages back

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C6tFupCWwAAAoqg.jpg

[dimviii]

Becs Williams‏

Bit of a late start today, we are on air in 45 minutes. Cloudy but dry in Leon, could we get rain though? #WRC #LastDay

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Decisions, decisions...
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C6urgb7XUAABNbq.jpg:large

[steve.mandzij]

At Monte wasn't competitive,just watch stage podiums.Just advantaged from others retirements.
At Sweden is not an indicator to see if a car is fast.
No matter how much it benefits from retirements, an uncompetitive car doesn't finish second.

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[Fast Eddie WRC]

Citroën Racing‏ @CitroenRacing 2m2 minutes ago
We're at service with light rain... Another crucial discussion for @Michelin_Sport tyre choice !
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C6uvkADXAAEwXNL.jpg

[Mirek]

No matter how much it benefits from retirements, an uncompetitive car doesn't finish second.

Was Fabia WRC a competitive car for You? there were moments when it was able to be on podiums at least on provisional one just like Colin McRae before the unfamous service fiasco in Australia or Bengue before he crashed in Monte Carlo. One event is not enough to judge. We have to wait and see.

[jparker]

I'm sure if he was capable then Mandan would love Neuville to try to improve his position. Let's face it he is fortunate to be in 3rd place at all and highly unlikely to be pressuring Ogier since he really does need to finish this event. Maybe TN will challenge for the Championship one day but he needs to improve his concentration and consistency first

On paper he lost 2 events, but with little of luck, he could have been leading now. It's strange how he demonstrated superiority in Monte and Sweden, and now all that is gone.

[dimviii]

Hayden Paddon‏*@HaydenPaddon
Service is in for the final day here at @rallymexico. Two stages left, we will drive for some extra points on the power stage.


DMACK Tyres‏*@DMACK_Tyres
Service done and ready for the final two stages, cloudy skies, chance of rain = soft compound GS62 tyres

[br21]

with special glue for automotive windscreens.

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61bDXz0hl0L._SY355_.jpg

No, with special glue/rubber seal with wires inside, so you warm it up, put the windscreen on and then disconnect the power so it cools down and keeps the windscreen. Opposite way - to remove the windscreen - you heat up the seal, it melts so it's easy then to remove the windscreen... Mercedes road car product. Some teams use same seals for rear side windows, etc. You can see black battery booster next to right front wheel of Bertelli car on that picture, they used it to remove the window.
If you have broken windscreen you can have 3 mechanics who can remove and clean and put new one during regrouping/parc ferme before the service. Usually (if it's regrouping before the service) you just remove the broken windscreen, clean everything and then put new one in service place.

[steve.mandzij]

Was Fabia WRC a competitive car for You? there were moments when it was able to be on podiums at least on provisional one just like Colin McRae before the unfamous service fiasco in Australia or Bengue before he crashed in Monte Carlo. One event is not enough to judge. We have to wait and see.
The Fabia wasn't the strongest, I'll give you that, but if it was able to reach podiums at the hands of a skilled driver it mustn't have been that bad. I also doubt a McRae would have taken a drive with a crap car.

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[rayh_mx]

it was 3 pages back
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C6tFupCWwAAAoqg.jpg
Thnks Dim.
Its raining in the stage

[jparker]

Thnks Dim.
Its raining in the stage

Which one, the first one or the power stage?

[Mintexmemory]

On paper he lost 2 events, but with little of luck, he could have been leading now. It's strange how he demonstrated superiority in Monte and Sweden, and now all that is gone.

Not strange at all if you look at his career - lack of consistency dogs his performances. Neuville has poor events for no apparent reason other than his head is not right. Clearly losing 2 events that you are arguing he should have won has got to him!

[Mirek]

The Fabia wasn't the strongest, I'll give you that, but if it was able to reach podiums at the hands of a skilled driver it mustn't have been that bad. I also doubt a McRae would have taken a drive with a crap car.

The car had roughly 100+ Nm less than the top contenders. In the first events (summer 2004) the engine was even worse than that. And the engine was not the only area where it was lacking.

[rayh_mx]

La Calera... And its cold... Brrrrr

[stefanvv]

citroen at 1st day had same tyre choice as other plus the weight of 1 extra spare tyre.
it was again fast with no better tyre choice.
Also with hard compound yesterday,it was fast even at 1st split compared to other cars with soft compounds,again with the extra weight of extra spare tyre.
with hard compounds was also fast at smaller gravel stage(10km) El Brinco.

I said only "some", which is second loop yesterday. The first stage then was clear advantage for hard tyres, for the rest is little questionable, but Meeke said himself he was looking for more rubber at later part of the loop. I'm not sure extra tyre weight is necessary disadvantage, with proper setup and driving it can give extra grip on corner exits.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

@Craig_Breen
Home from Mexico to do some prep for Corsica. Sending best wishes to all the guys for the last day, bring it home @krismeeke & @paulnagle1!

[RS]

The car had roughly 100+ Nm less than the top contenders. In the first events (summer 2004) the engine was even worse than that. And the engine was not the only area where it was lacking.

Is Fabia R5 engine much weaker than Fabia WRC one was?

[Mirek]

Is Fabia R5 engine much weaker than Fabia WRC one was?

Yes :)

[Fast Eddie WRC]

@Michelin_Sport Tyre info: All Michelin WRC drivers with 5 Michelin LTX Force S5, except Meeke with 4S+2H and Lefebvre 6S

[stefanvv]

@Michelin_Sport Tyre info: All Michelin WRC drivers with 5 Michelin LTX Force S5, except Meeke with 4S+2H and Lefebvre 6S

Citroen are still taking 6 tyres for just 2 stages. That must tell something;)

[Mirek]

Citroen are still taking 6 tyres for just 2 stages. That must tell something;)

Meeke has a massive lead. Two spares are simply a safe option for him IMO.

[satukata]

JM try to get powerstagepoints. I think it´s very hard 4th on road..

[satukata]

JM now faster than sordo.. Maybe full power in Toyota today?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Citroen are still taking 6 tyres for just 2 stages. That must tell something;)

Anything can happen on these rough roads.... no risks.