Rally Sweden 2017

[SubaruNorway]

Should be some more news in the coming days so might as well start the thread now :)

http://www.vf.se/sport/bilsport/jarasen-vi-ar-mogna-ett-storre-ansvar

http://www.vf.se/sport/bilsport/maste-se-till-att-det-blir-ett-superar

(Links already posted)

If anyone knows of a house for rent for about 6 people close to Torsby, PM me :)

[Rallyper]

Good news is that RS 2017 brings new stages.

Bad news, nowhere to stay overnight for spectators.

[skarderud]

What distance is to far away?
From Torsby its shorter to Elverum and kongsvinger in Norway, than to Karlstad.
Lots of accomodation possibilities in the whole area called finnskogen.

Here is a website: http://www.visitfinnskogene.no/

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[janvanvurpa]

What distance is to far away?
From Torsby its shorter to Elverum and kongsvinger in Norway, than to Karlstad.
Lots of accomodation possibilities in the whole area called finnskogen.

Here is a website: http://www.visitfinnskogene.no/

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Men frågan är om det är i Norge, och folk ska vara där att titta på Svenska rattyt, varför heter det Finn skogen?
Vilken språk borde man vara bered att snacka?
Vad ska man dricka?
Vilken flagg ska man vifta?

[skarderud]

Men frågan är om det är i Norge, och folk ska vara där att titta på Svenska rattyt, varför heter det Finn skogen?
Vilken språk borde man vara bered att snacka?
Vad ska man dricka?
Vilken flagg ska man vifta?
Hehe, finlandssvorsk kanskje:)
Republikken finnskogen har eget flagg! Hembrendt er "nasjonaldrikke"!

In english: language is really not easy to explain, but in finland some in western part talk "finnswedish", and when swedes tries to speak Norwegian it called "svorsk" , like "swinglish" when swedes tries to speak english.

Finnskogen has its own "republic", once a year, the Center is svullrya, a wellknown place for rallyfans. It also has its own flag those days:)
Moneshine is what to drink, food is something called "motti og flæsk", some kind of boiled dry rye porrige with lots of bacon, good with a beer!


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[BleAivano]

It is now 100% certain and thus confirmed that Torsby airport will be the new service area and rally base for 2017.
http://www.vf.se/sport/bilsport/helt-klart-med-rallyt-i-torsby

However, RallyHQ, opening ceremony and superspecial will still be in Karlstad.

IMO I wish that they had dumped the super special on the horse race track in Karlstad.

[SubaruNorway]

Got an incredible cheap and good house by Grässjön lake 17km south of Torsby through Airbnb.
Anyone got any clue of how far north they will go?

[BleAivano]

Some info about accommodation for rally supporters. The organisers are doing what they can to find private owned accommodation (rooms, private cabins and etc) since
all hotels have been booked for teams and etc. http://www.vf.se/nyheter/torsby/privatpersoner-uppmanas-oppna-sina-hem-infor-rallyt

[ruesluporp]

Itinerary for Rally Sweden 2017 is set!

http://www.rallysweden.com/tavlingen/maps-itinerary/

[SubaruNorway]

I think the new stage in Norway runs something like this, haven't figured out when it ran last. What about Knon in Sweden?
http://kart.gulesider.no/m/3vro9

[BleAivano]

Some information at vf; http://www.vf.se/sport/bilsport/svenska-rallyt-blir-banbrytande

Imo, two SSS in Karlstad is one too many, could have used Höljes RX/Folkrace track instead.
Also only 2x3 proper stages on Saturday?

[BleAivano]

Vargåsen stage will have to be shortened by an additional 4km making the stage about 10km shorter next year then it was this year.
The reason is that it is too long to fit into the companies schedule. Tv companies want the cars to finish before the next car reaches Colin's crest.

http://www.vf.se/sport/bilsport/vargasen-kortas-ner-%C2%A0igen

It seems that tv-companies won't be happy until rallies permanently consists of only super special stages.

[Franky]

I personally think they have not figured out the power stage TV format. The addition of small pointless interview segments before every driver starts (recorded footage) is quite pointless and in my opinion just disturbs the flow of the show.

They should figure out the correct format and then start mandating what the stage should be like.

[Rallyper]

Vargåsen not PS 2017.

[GravelBen]

I personally think they have not figured out the power stage TV format. The addition of small pointless interview segments before every driver starts (recorded footage) is quite pointless and in my opinion just disturbs the flow of the show.

They should figure out the correct format and then start mandating what the stage should be like.

Maybe they should let the event organisers choose stages and then decide how to film them.

IIRC there was a moment last time where there were two cars already in the stage and instead of showing them they just had about 30 seconds of the next car sitting on the line waiting to start. Then they probably cut to an interview as soon as it left the line anyway.

[ruesluporp]

Here : http://rallysweden.com/shop/festival-pass-beanie/?lang=en

[Jack4688`]

Here : http://rallysweden.com/shop/festival-pass-beanie/?lang=en

Seems good value. I didn't bother with Rally GB this year because of the price vs. how much rally action you see. Equivalent of 52 of my English pounds for seemingly all access is much better value - just need to find somewhere to stay near Torsby!

[markpcym]

We are staying in Munkfors this year in a log cabin. But I think accommodation is going quite quickly from what I can gather!!
Really looking forward to it now, and looking at webcams in Varmland regions there is snow apparent in quite a few places.

[Jack4688`]

As mentioned by SubaruNorway in this post airbnb looks like a good way round the hotel shortage - it might be a good way for me to practise my Svenska as well!

[BleAivano]

We are staying in Munkfors this year in a log cabin. But I think accommodation is going quite quickly from what I can gather!!

I think accommodation in Värmland will be very hard to find but people can always look at south western Dalarna and Malung area.
Malung is only about 80km from Torsby.

[tommeke_B]

Like always, the early birds get the places. Also many people book from year to year, and have already agreed in february this year for next year... I was booking in the beginning of september and had contacted 7 places before there was enough room for the group. We're staying 15km West of Torsby, near the shakedown. Of course the place is already full now.

[Rallyper]

I just recognized on the Swedish Television news that a small lodge, Hedegårds Pensionat has been given notice from being immigrant camp. So if you guys without accomodation for Rally Sweden I give the advice to search for this pension as an alternative. Situated in Ekshärad but better stay is probably hard to find for RS 2017.

[BleAivano]

About the new endstage of Rally Sweden.

http://www.vf.se/sport/bilsport/rallyt-narmar-sig-i-torsby

[markpcym]

Am undecided whether to go into Norway for the stages?
what's everyone else's thoughts ?

[tc10a]

Am undecided whether to go into Norway for the stages?
what's everyone else's thoughts ?

For sure to go. What's the problem?

In the last years the norway stages were from the conditons always the best. Easy to spectate, not soo many people, very relaxed.
No big deal to go there, there is no bigger border crossing or something.

[markpcym]

theres no problem, was just seeing what other peoples thoughts were, but now you've answered my question it looks like a go maybe.thanks

[tc10a]

theres no problem, was just seeing what other peoples thoughts were, but now you've answered my question it looks like a go maybe.thanks

For example lots of nice places by the access about halfway in Röjden Stage (Løvhaugen). Jumps, fast bends in forests or open fields - all in walking distance.

[dodge33cymru]

Finnskogen was my favourite stage of recent years, but the Norwegian stages are arguably the best of the rally at the moment. They are absolutely packed and the atmosphere on them is second to none.

Not to.mention, you can start the day in Sweden, watch the first few cars in Torsby, then take off for the two passes in Norway and still get back for the end of the field in Sweden (assuming the itinerary is similar to recent years).

[markpcym]

For example lots of nice places by the access about halfway in Röjden Stage (Løvhaugen). Jumps, fast bends in forests or open fields - all in walking distance.
ok thanks, will look into that.is "non spectator" access easy to get into the forests?

[skarderud]

ok thanks, will look into that.is "non spectator" access easy to get into the forests?
It's no people living there, or at the farm kalles "løvhøiden" its people, but it will hardly be someone stopping you if you are in a normal place. If you have, it's easy to go skiing into the forrest to find a good spot to watch, use a map to find a road to park, 2-3km on skis is quite fast. If you are used to skiing, of course:)

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[markpcym]

Afraid not, but as always there's bound to be some locals in the know or at least someone to follow in!! thanks anyway...
how far from Torsby are the stages?

[tc10a]

Afraid not, but as always there's bound to be some locals in the know or at least someone to follow in!! thanks anyway...
how far from Torsby are the stages?

These are official spectator routes. Everything is set up for you. parking etc. Just walk into the stage wherever you want then.

Torsby - Röjden stage about 60 km.

[markpcym]

Trying to get some info on local weather/roadcams to see if there is any snowfall in rally region?
Anyone help?

[Wold]

Here are a couple of cams:
http://www.webcams.travel/webcam/1416883217-Weather-R2-Haslemosletta-Telle

http://www.webcams.travel/webcam/1457272237-torsby-flygplats-torsby-airport

[BleAivano]

Trying to get some info on local weather/roadcams to see if there is any snowfall in rally region?
Anyone help?

Too warm at the moment. About +7 degrees Celsius in Torsby today.
Possible some snow on Saturday and next week but it could just as well turn into rain.

http://www.smhi.se/vadret/vadret-i-sverige/ortsprognoser#ws=wpt-a,proxy=wpt-a,geonameid=2667876
Snow depth map http://www.smhi.se/vadret/vadret-i-sverige/snodjup#

[Sulland]

Snowmap:
http://www.smhi.se/vadret/vadret-i-sverige/snodjup#

Not much winter yet, and a very mild Nov and Dec so far this year.

I have said it before, they need to move north. From HQ in Østersund and SS even further north, to have a stabile winter.

[MartinMK]

It's way to early to look at weather....

[markpcym]

Yes I know it's early but I just want to see what the area is like.
Thanks to those for links...

[BleAivano]

Rally Sweden Supplementary Regulations 2017 have been published and entries are now open.

http://rallysweden.com/en/competitors/documents/

https://twitter.com/RallySweden/status/807503387730341889

[Andre Oliveira]

Henning will be there :)

https://twitter.com/RallySweden/status/808016730022875136

[Myrvold]

Went through the new Hof-Finnskog stage on Saturday. Looks like a fun stage for drivers and competitors. There is a couple of spots where it will go very fast, downhill over some crests.
Personally I will probably end up at the Svullrya stage yet again, as I think the spot I were on last year, will be quite good this year as well, seeing as the cars are coming the other way.

Now, let's just hope for many days like Saturday before the rally starts. As snow is needed.

[markpcym]

was there much snow lying in there?
how much did you have on Saturday?

Now, let's just hope for many days like Saturday before the rally starts. As snow is needed.[/QUOTE]

[Franky]

Snow isn't the only thing that's needed. The road needs to freeze as well.

[Sulland]

To get good winter conditions for a rally you need:
- Wet weather with rain.
- 1-2 weeks of -5 to -10 C barefrost (no snow) to get a good ice base.
- 1-2 weeks of Snow, preferably 1 meter + to get ok snow banks.
- 1-2 weeks of cold weather and usage of roads to compress snow.
- Rally 9-12 feb, sub zero temp.

So you need 3-6 weeks of teamplay with mother nature to get optimum conditions for a winter rally.
So if we use this recepie, we need to get "started" best case soon, and worst case mid january!

[tc10a]

Keep calm and let mother nature do its job. No need to get nervous already 2 months before the rally.
Last year even the last minute watering of the stages did miracles in very short time.

[Myrvold]

was there much snow lying in there?
how much did you have on Saturday?


Not much, I guess it was 3-4cm in total. What surprised me was that there seemed to be an ice base on the Svullrya-stage. Even though when we drove it looked like we went straight down to the gravel. We stopped on a spot to check if it would be useful to film there, we couldn't get going again, we just spun on the solid ice. It's far from enough to last a rally, but I didn't expect to see anything.


To get good winter conditions for a rally you need:
- Wet weather with rain.
- 1-2 weeks of -5 to -10 C barefrost (no snow) to get a good ice base.
- 1-2 weeks of Snow, preferably 1 meter + to get ok snow banks.
- 1-2 weeks of cold weather and usage of roads to compress snow.
- Rally 9-12 feb, sub zero temp.

So you need 3-6 weeks of teamplay with mother nature to get optimum conditions for a winter rally.
So if we use this recepie, we need to get "started" best case soon, and worst case mid january!

That won't happen here in Norway as we know already. The best case now would be to get some snow, and keep it below 0, and help out with some watering.


Keep calm and let mother nature do its job. No need to get nervous already 2 months before the rally.
Last year even the last minute watering of the stages did miracles in very short time.

It's not in my nature to keep calm ^^,

[SubaruNorway]

Up here by Lillehammer two hours away it's been raining on frozen ground so it's like Svullrya was last year with lots of ice, 15 cm of snow with ice on top

[Myrvold]

Up here by Lillehammer two hours away it's been raining on frozen ground so it's like Svullrya was last year with lots of ice, 15 cm of snow with ice on top

Yup, seen pictures from my old town Gjøvik, and the areas around. While it's little in Gjøvik itself, there is quite a bit more snow in the areas around than at Finnskogen atm.

[skarderud]

At finnskogen it is no snow, no need for winterboots at the moment. I will take a look in chrismas if its more hope. But its much lesser snow these years than when i was a kid, thats for sure.

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[Rallyper]

Frozen ground. After that min 5 cm compressed cold snow that gets wet through and frozens again. Then one meter of snowfall below zero - nad katjiiiinnggg!!! Perfect conditions for winterrallying.

[Simmi]

Entries starting to drop in. Wish all events had this feature: http://rallysweden.com/en/competitors/entries-wrc/

Sad not to be going to Sweden next season. Done it for the last two years but time for a switch up.

[EstWRC]

and switching to what event Simmi?

[Simmi]

and switching to what event Simmi?

The Monte! Also hoping to do Portugal, Germany and of course Wales in 2017. Hope to meet you at an event one day.

[EstWRC]

i hope so too but unfortunately finland and spain are in my plans next year.

[markpcym]

Has anyone received their passes yet bought from official website.?

[satnav]

Just got myself an early Christmas pressie , flights and accommodation booked , need to start a bit of planning now....

[markpcym]

where are you staying?

[Sulland]

Still only 4 entrants received, closing date 10 January.

http://rallysweden.com/tavlande/anmalda-wrc/

[Franky]

Still only 4 entrants received, closing date 10 January.

http://rallysweden.com/tavlande/anmalda-wrc/

Christmas presents have got higher priority than the Rally Sweden's entry fee ;)

[tc10a]

Still only 4 entrants received, closing date 10 January.
http://rallysweden.com/tavlande/anmalda-wrc/

Also in the last years only Hyundai entered early, most of the field in the last days, even on the very last day.

[rallyfiend]

Also in the last years only Hyundai entered early, most of the field in the last days, even on the very last day.

Why pay your money earlier than you need to?

[bluuford]

Why pay your money earlier than you need to?

2016 budget underspent

[satnav]

where are you staying?

This is all very last minute as I got a bit of a deal on flights , I know that accommodation is thin on the ground so had a quick look and got a place in Charlottenberg which isn't that far out of the way ref the stages so all booked ......

[tommeke_B]

Is there anyone who knows some onboard footage from SS Likenas?

[SubaruNorway]

Is there anyone who knows some onboard footage from SS Likenas?

Haven't checked if this is the same configuration
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrjBEqki96c

[satnav]

Haven't checked if this is the same configuration
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrjBEqki96c

According to Rally Guide 1 the stage is new as it's never been used in this direction......

[BleAivano]

Looking forward to see @patriksandell (https://twitter.com/patriksandell) in his Ford Escort Mk2 1980 at the start of Rally Sweden Historic! #classiccars (https://twitter.com/hashtag/classiccars?src=hash)



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C1LF0JhWgAAymn2.jpg:large


https://twitter.com/RallySweden/status/815932135282528257

[nafpaktos]

where i can find the accesses for the ss?also i would like to ask until what time there is daylight.

[markpcym]

if you go on rally Sweden website there is info on stage times etc. on page 4 of this thread there are two different webcams on there sent to me, this will give you an idea of daylight hours.

[Franky]

also i would like to ask until what time there is daylight.
Roughly from 8am to 5pm, but at that time there's like 5 minutes of extra daylight each day.

[tommeke_B]

Small tip for the daylight, for all WRC (and ERC) events you can find times of sunrise and sunset on the official itinerary (usually found at the competitors section, on all events). Link: http://rallysweden.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/rally-guide1_appendix1_rallysweden17.pdf

[Micke_VOC]

The historic entries. http://rallysweden.com/tavlande/anmalda-historic/
Now 49 entries, but 1 week left to it close.

Today that also have snowing´in the area =)

[nafpaktos]

4wd car is mandatory to follow the rally?can someone describe the conditions to the highway and to the local roads if the winter is heavy.Do the authorities remove the snow often?

[Wold]

You really dont need 4wd car to follow the rally, the roads are being cleaned for snow, and at the most popular places they also cleaning big parking places for snow. I have been there several times with my 2wd car, no problems :-)

[cali]

You really dont need 4wd car to follow the rally, the roads are being cleaned for snow, and at the most popular places they also cleaning big parking places for snow. I have been there several times with my 2wd car, no problems :-)
Yeah but it requires good basics and knowhow how to drive on snow and ice. We have seen quite many cars in the ditch from previous rallies.

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[BleAivano]

where i can find the accesses for the ss?also i would like to ask until what time there is daylight.

http://www.sunrise-and-sunset.com/sv/sun/sverige/torsby

------------------------------up-- down length of day (in hh:mm)
9 februari 2017, torsdag 08:02 16:42 08:39
10 februari 2017, fredag 08:00 16:44 08:44
11 februari 2017, lördag 07:57 16:47 08:49
12 februari 2017, söndag 07:55 16:50 08:55

[SubaruNorway]

4wd car is mandatory to follow the rally?can someone describe the conditions to the highway and to the local roads if the winter is heavy.Do the authorities remove the snow often?

No, but makes it easier to park ;) The main roads are usually down to dry tarmac unless it's snowed recently.

[markpcym]

starting to do snow dance now!! hope we have great conditions, cant wait now to get there!!

[BigWorm]

starting to do snow dance now!! hope we have great conditions, cant wait now to get there!!

Freezing cold in Sweden right now and some snow here and there. Needs to be more though

[markpcym]

fingers crossed hey!!
is there more forecast??

[ruesluporp]

fingers crossed hey!!
is there more forecast??

http://www.smhi.se/vadret/vadret-i-sverige/snodjup

[cosmin_sb]

Simone Tempestini will do Rally Swedish in Citroen DS3 R5.He will test the new car tomorrow and Sunday.

[Andre Oliveira]

Anders Grøndal in WRC2 too. Tempestini no WRC2

[JUF]

Lorenzo Bertelli confirmed his participation on Twitter. Car wasn´t mentioned.

[cosmin_sb]

Anders Grøndal in WRC2 too. Tempestini no WRC2
I know this. The first WRC2 round for him will be in Tour de Corse.

[Ross99]

Gorban will be in a Mini WRC. We could be looking at 6 different WRC cars in an event since 2010(?).

[EightGear]

Gorban will be in a Mini WRC. We could be looking at 6 different WRC cars in an event since 2010(?).
I'm pretty sure there was an event (I think Spain) where 6 different WRC cars were entered in 2016. Gorban in the Mini and Abbring in the old 2015 i20 as additions to the usual field.

[TheFlyingTuga]

I'm pretty sure there was an event (I think Spain) where 6 different WRC cars were entered in 2016. Gorban in the Mini and Abbring in the old 2015 i20 as additions to the usual field.

In Portugal we had all of the diferent cars. Gorban with the Mini, Abbring with the OG i20 and Al-Radjhi with the old front Fiesta!

[Andre Oliveira]

Al-Rajhi used new car

http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2016/photos/vodafone_rally_de_portugal_2016/ine_dsc_0905.jpg

[markpcym]

Which stage has the long straight with flat out crests?

[peg306]

Which stage has the long straight with flat out crests?
Fredriksberg, not running this year

[Sub_Skoda]

Gorban will be in a Mini WRC. We could be looking at 6 different WRC cars in an event since 2010(?).

Where did you read that? So, with a new codriver !?

[Slipzen]

Where did you read that? So, with a new codriver !?

http://rallysweden.com/tavlingen/anmalningslista-wrc/
Sergei Larens

[tc10a]

Where did you read that? So, with a new codriver !?

Rally Sweden Entries
WRC Trophy GORBAN Valeriy (UKR) / LARENS Sergei (EST) - Mini WRC - Eurolamp World Rally Team RC1

[markpcym]

Is there a stand out stage to go this year, taking three family members along and what to give them the best possible experience into rally sweden?

[Sub_Skoda]

http://rallysweden.com/tavlingen/anmalningslista-wrc/
Sergei Larens

Awesome! Thanks

[tc10a]

Meeke, Breen and Lefebrve - all three entered with Citroen C3 WRC

[EightGear]

Meeke, Breen and Lefebrve - all three entered with Citroen C3 WRC
Thats pretty strange, they announced the 3rd car would come from Corsica onwards.

[CWJ]

...and the third manu M for Lefebrve is missing in the list ...

[Simmi]

Probably a typo somewhere unless they have really been able to accelerate that third car. But I don't think so. Will be the old DS3 for Lefebvre.

[tc10a]

But would be as written some time ago in this list:

Deux à quatre C3WRC seront engagées la saison prochaine :
Monte Carlo (2), Suède (3), Mexique (2), Corse (3), Argentine (2), Portugal (4), Italie-Sardaigne (3), Pologne (4), Finlande (4), Deutschland (3), Espagne (4), GB (4), Australie (4).

http://planetemarcus.com/presentation-officielle-de-la-citroen-c3wrc-2017/

[dodge33cymru]

Interesting, I hadn't noticed how many 4s there were before; wonder who the other is for.

Contemplating Sweden this year again, been a couple of years since I was there but could be my best chance of seeing this year's cars until winter.

[tc10a]

Interesting, I hadn't noticed how many 4s there were before; wonder who the other is for.

Contemplating Sweden this year again, been a couple of years since I was there but could be my best chance of seeing this year's cars until winter.

4th is for Khalid Al Qassimi

[dodge33cymru]

4th is for Khalid Al Qassimi
Oh yes, of course. No problem with that.

[Andre Oliveira]

Lukyanuk with Fiesta R5, WRC2 noninated :)

Bergkvist and Tidemand on list too

[BigWorm]

DS3 WRC for Lefebvre in the updated entry list now.

And big man Lukyanuk is WRC2 entered. Nice!

[EstWRC]

RallyingUK �� ‏@RallyingUK 3m3 minutes ago
MIKKELSEN: @mariawallberg of @SVTSport reporting that @AMikkelsenRally will miss @RallySweden 2017

https://twitter.com/RallyingUK/status/818819700788498432

[Rallyper]

RallyingUK �� ‏@RallyingUK 3m3 minutes ago
MIKKELSEN: @mariawallberg of @SVTSport reporting that @AMikkelsenRally will miss @RallySweden 2017

https://twitter.com/RallyingUK/status/818819700788498432

That´s surprising. Thought Even or Adapta should partner him.

[Rallyper]

Weather forecast for Wednesday evening says 5-10 cm wet snow i whole Värmland. Very good foundation for icy stages, if handled correctly.

[RS]

RallyingUK �� ‏@RallyingUK 3m3 minutes ago
MIKKELSEN: @mariawallberg of @SVTSport reporting that @AMikkelsenRally will miss @RallySweden 2017

https://twitter.com/RallyingUK/status/818819700788498432

Skoda Motorsport didn't name a second crew for Sweden yet.

[EstWRC]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C10LW2lWQAIIrTB.jpg

[Fast Eddie WRC]

101 entries for Rally Sweden. @MadsOstberg confirmed in a M-sport Ford WRC 2017. @AMikkelsenRally will not start! https://t.co/1ClYBvhSB0 https://t.co/ZV41Gh4JEK

[dodge33cymru]

Is it just me or does 45 WRC entries (54 historic) seem very low compared to previous years? Or does that only include seeded entries?

[hari]

Is it just me or does 45 WRC entries (54 historic) seem very low compared to previous years? Or does that only include seeded entries?

50 - 44 - 39 - 43... in the last years
2016 - 2015 -.....

[rp]

What is the point for M-Sport to nominate Evans to score Manufacturer´s points? Are they crazy :) There is no sense, because Mads is also driving the same car and of course he is better on the snow!

Evans is using Dmack and surely Michelin is better in Sweden...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Ostberg: We're ready @RallySweden! Excited & happy to be at the startline in Sweden with our new team & partners! ����❄
https://t.co/XSE2qKROk5

[WRC1]

What is the point for M-Sport to nominate Evans to score Manufacturer´s points? Are they crazy :) There is no sense, because Mads is also driving the same car and of course he is better on the snow!

Evans is using Dmack and surely Michelin is better in Sweden...

if i understand the new rules correct a manufactor does NOT have to nominate somebody...you can start with 3 cars, the best 2 at the end of the rally score the manu points...

[dupanton]

if i understand the new rules correct a manufactor does NOT have to nominate somebody...you can start with 3 cars, the best 2 at the end of the rally score the manu points...

Yes, but you have to nominate 3 cars of which 2 score points. Ogier, Tanak and Evans are nominated, Ostberg not I think.

[rp]

Yes, but you have to nominate 3 cars of which 2 score points. Ogier, Tanak and Evans are nominated, Ostberg not I think.

That´s right!

" A manufacturer may nominate a minimum of two and maximum of three cars for the purpose of scoring points in the Manufacturers’ Championship. Scores from the two best cars in the final classification will amass points in this Championship. Additional cars may be entered by a manufacturer but will not be eligible to score points in the Manufacturers’ Championship."

[satukata]

We need help. we need accommodation for 4persons in the Swedish rally from Thursday to Sunday? Can anybody help us?

[samWRC]

Why some of the R2 cars are listed in RC3 class and some in RC4?

[Rallyper]

We need help. we need accommodation for 4persons in the Swedish rally from Thursday to Sunday? Can anybody help us?

Try The Lodge 18k north of Torsby.

[satukata]

Try The Lodge 18k north of Torsby.

Do you have any web adress to The Lodge?

[Andre Oliveira]

So Henning in Fiesta WRC '17

15 WRC -> 12 WRC'17 :)

https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15894864_1593130580716363_7805181169454821420_n.jp g?oh=47cf08e5c40cb28c82a13252f5b5195e&oe=591038B0

24 R5 -> 13 Fiesta, 6 Fabia, 4 DS3 and 1 208

https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15977981_1593130584049696_748734682290184806_n.jpg ?oh=7f8d0f14cd8d33174130aadb352eb134&oe=591413B7

And more 1 RC3 (Levin in DS3 R3T) and 6 RC4 (Taisko Lario, Oscar Solberg, Cook, Röjsel, Storm and Åberg). Could be bigger? Yes, but only Andreas missing to be greatest of last years.

[EightGear]

Who wants to bet?

€100 on Henning not starting.

[Andre Oliveira]

Not this time, not this time ;)

[CWJ]

Do you have any web adress to The Lodge?

Google has if you are able to copy "The Lodge 18k north of Torsby" to it :)

[satnav]

http://thelodgetorsby.com/

Looks like its full but give them a shout anyway

[GigiGalliNo1]

No Mikkelsen in Sweden...

Jennings must have taken his car!

[ruesluporp]

No Mikkelsen in Sweden...

Jennings must have taken his car!

Jennings Molberg ?

[markpcym]

what is weather forecast looking like, looking at some webcams its seems a lot of snow has gone over the past few days?? hope we don't have same as last year where there was questions if event run..

[skarderud]

Raining and + degrees at Norwegian side of the boarder.

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[tc10a]

what is weather forecast looking like, looking at some webcams its seems a lot of snow has gone over the past few days?? hope we don't have same as last year where there was questions if event run..

Rally is in 4+ weeks. Be concerned in 3,5 weeks, but not now.

[EstWRC]

there is some progress...i remember in recent years that there's been panic already in december.

[BleAivano]

Rally is in 4+ weeks. Be concerned in 3,5 weeks, but not now.

I disagree with you. Good conditions does not come over a night.

[Simmi]

Was not a fun feeling last year flying out not knowing whether the rally would even run. I'm sure it will be fine this time.

[markpcym]

Rally is in 4+ weeks. Be concerned in 3,5 weeks, but not now.

why is this do you think we will have perfect rally conditions in three and a half days leading up to the rally.
im just asking a civil question and seeing if there is any reply from the locals etc.
its called being interested on whats going on prior to the event...

[tommeke_B]

Well, we can have perfect rally-conditions now for the next 3 weeks, and then everything can melt in just a few days... ;)

[liposh]

Just to show you I am not worse than bluuford: This year the temperature will be low and the conditions will be great for winter rally. Everything depends on precipitation, but I expect few centimeters of snowfall to keep on the ground because of low temperature, so it should be OK. I don´t expect decimeters of snow, but some snow should be there.

[ruesluporp]

Just to show you I am not worse than bluuford: This year the temperature will be low and the conditions will be great for winter rally. Everything depends on precipitation, but I expect few centimeters of snowfall to keep on the ground because of low temperature, so it should be OK. I don´t expect decimeters of snow, but some snow should be there.

So no snow walls?

[liposh]

I am afraid there won´t be any proper huge snow walls, but maybe on some of the stages there could be enough snow for snow walls here and there.

[satukata]

I just booked cottage in Torsby and it was snowing! Only 1cm snow in Torsby but small roads are icy and much more snow in northern stages. Hope nice winter rally!

[GigiGalliNo1]

Jennings Molberg ?

That's the guy!

[tomothy]

A friend and I are planning on going to rally sweden for the first time (also the first event we'll be attending) and got some questions.

Is it possible to get to the different stages without a car?
Can you easily get to Torsby from oslo/stockholm by public transport?

General tips?

[markpcym]

where are you flying from?

is there a reason why you cant hire a car, be so much easier?

[ruesluporp]

A friend and I are planning on going to rally sweden for the first time (also the first event we'll be attending) and got some questions.

Is it possible to get to the different stages without a car?
Can you easily get to Torsby from oslo/stockholm by public transport?

General tips?

Take a look at that: https://form.jotformeu.com/63462263376358

[tomothy]

where are you flying from?

is there a reason why you cant hire a car, be so much easier?

From Belgium.
And I can rent a car, but that's another extra cost for us, poor students :)




Take a look at that: https://form.jotformeu.com/63462263376358

cheers!

[Rallyper]

I just booked cottage in Torsby and it was snowing! Only 1cm snow in Torsby but small roads are icy and much more snow in northern stages. Hope nice winter rally!

On my tip? :)

[Franky]

On my tip? :)

Per, I have tip for you. For next year open "Per's Rally Village". Guaranteed influx of people for the rally.

[itix]

why is this do you think we will have perfect rally conditions in three and a half days leading up to the rally.
im just asking a civil question and seeing if there is any reply from the locals etc.
its called being interested on whats going on prior to the event...
This local agree. It is impossible to predict the weather at the stages at this point. Wait 3.5 weeks and we might!

I won't attend this year as I am working. Have fun everyone who will!

[markpcym]

I'm not asking for a prediction for weather in 3+ weeks because no one knows that, just wondering what things were like out there now.

[Sulland]

Here is one online option for weather:
http://www.accuweather.com/en/se/torsby/310692/weather-forecast/310692?lang=en-us

[ruesluporp]

Here is one online option for weather:
http://www.accuweather.com/en/se/torsby/310692/weather-forecast/310692?lang=en-us

And the traditional link for snow cover: http://www.smhi.se/vadret/vadret-i-sverige/snodjup

[tc10a]

I'm not asking for a prediction for weather in 3+ weeks because no one knows that, just wondering what things were like out there now.

Some Links:

Best weather accuracy in the last years:
http://www.klart.se/väder-hagfors.html

Some Webcams in the wider rally area:
Torsby: http://www.wermlandsflyg.se/000M.jpg
Sagen: http://www.huisjeinzweden.nl/webcam/out2.jpg
Sunne: http://weathercam.sunne.se/axis-cgi/jpg/image.cgi?counter=431379
Karlstad: http://liveevent.nu/webbkamera/lofbergs/lofbergs_1_640.jpg?counter=578714

[Zeakiwi]

Are the water trucks for the stages good to go?

[SubaruNorway]

Are the water trucks for the stages good to go?

Not realistic using that for longer stages, i think they only used that on Torsby and maybe last part of Varmullsåsen last year

[bluuford]

Current forecast is great. There is a proper amount of snow in rally region and next two weeks should be all below 0, minor snow is expected. Cannot tell further, but general picture is showing that whole Europe is going to freeze in next couple of weeks ;) Come to Tallinn, it ios warm here, only -4 now :)

[Rallyper]

Per, I have tip for you. For next year open "Per's Rally Village". Guaranteed influx of people for the rally.

I don´t know if you are sarcastic or something. My bad english. However I tied to help satukata on one place. Not more not less.

[Franky]

I don´t know if you are sarcastic or something. My bad english. However I tied to help satukata on one place. Not more not less.

Just a friendly tip, not making fun. No idea how the business would survive over the year, but I'm sure people from here would more than likely visit.

[Mintexmemory]

Well I think I'll need the tips next year as I plan to make Sweden my big rally expedition of 2018 (if I have enough holiday left - 2017 is already shaping to be a BIG year in the Mintex life and my holiday year runs year commencing 1st April!)

[Rallyper]

Just a friendly tip, not making fun. No idea how the business would survive over the year, but I'm sure people from here would more than likely visit.

I don´t even live in that area, so it´s a bad idea. My tip, if it worked, was my cancellation I did just a few hours before. Will only visit Saturday this time.

[ruesluporp]

Rally Guide 2 is on line!
http://rallysweden.com/en/competitors/documents/

[pantealex]

and so is entry list for historic (faster cars in bottom)

http://rallysweden.com/en/the-race/anmalningslista-historic/

[b3637853]

and so is entry list for historic (faster cars in bottom)

http://rallysweden.com/en/the-race/anmalningslista-historic/

Wasn't Peter Solberg announcing earlier that he will participate in historics? Does anybody knows the reason why he isn't on the list?

[SubaruNorway]

Wasn't Peter Solberg announcing earlier that he will participate in historics? Does anybody knows the reason why he isn't on the list?

Rally with Oliver in Latvia instead

[pantealex]

They promised that WRC entry list is out Friday 13th and it still isn´t, so is there still some new names coming ?

(Hoping for Polo16 with Andreas and/or Petter)

(Yazeed is also possibility because he is doing Arcticrally)

[Myrvold]

They promised that WRC entry list is out Friday 13th and it still isn´t, so is there still some new names coming ?

(Hoping for Polo16 with Andreas and/or Petter)


VW said that it could still happen before Sweden. But nah, not likely. Petter will be in Latvia as Mr.SubaruNorway said.

[samWRC]

Are you sure Henning has entered with 2017 Fiesta? He is not entered by M-Sport and in regulations it is said that only a manufacturer can entered WRC 2017 cars.

[Zeakiwi]

Are you sure Henning has entered with 2017 Fiesta? He is not entered by M-Sport and in regulations it is said that only a manufacturer can entered WRC 2017 cars.

I guess that will be the 2016 wrc Fiesta, Henning used in 2016. Ostberg and Prokop have the one icar initially.

[pantealex]

Are you sure Henning has entered with 2017 Fiesta? He is not entered by M-Sport and in regulations it is said that only a manufacturer can entered WRC 2017 cars.

I read somewhere that he going to drive that test car which they use in Monte testing now. We haven´t see final entry list yet...

[Slipzen]

For those of you who are concerned about the winter conditions. This photo is taken today of SS 9/12 Knon :)
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2IxVaTW8AAjXzl.jpg
Credits to photographer Lasse Persson, Source https://twitter.com/RallySweden

Looks pretty nice! Now we need a few days with temp above zero to get a good ice layer.

[BleAivano]

Likenäs today: https://twitter.com/RallySweden/status/820597229505417216

[pantealex]

Suninen is going to start with Fiesta R5 EVO2 (don´t know if Camilli is using EVO2 already at Monte)

[Andre Oliveira]

I think EVO2 will be available only in march

[PLuto]

Suninen is going to start with Fiesta R5 EVO2 (don´t know if Camilli is using EVO2 already at Monte)

For sure not. Evo 2 will not be available before 1st April.

[pantealex]

For sure not. Evo 2 will not be available before 1st April.

He him self said it but let´s see...
If you are sure that it was not homologated 2.january, I believe you.

[Andre Oliveira]

Confirmed. EVO2 only in next homologation window.

[samWRC]

http://rallysweden.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/official-entry-list-2017.pdf Entry list is out

[RS]

I am surprised Skoda didn't take Mikkelsen to Sweden given that he had no drive and they are only running oone other car.

[Micke_VOC]

Some pics from Vargåsen, Colin Crest Area.
I took them on friday, lot of more snow in the beginning of the stage.
https://twitter.com/MickeLindh/status/819971295836246017

This picture Rally Sweden published today from Vargåsen, think that from first part of the stage.
https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15977713_1267397433353147_2164045192640680985_n.jp g?oh=7796b7bdcbb2e5633c07202b140cd202&oe=59228C48

[markpcym]

Are you saying that there is a lot less snow in rest of stage or because you never drove it?

[dodge33cymru]

Wonder when the last time there was a WRC entry without a Subaru or Mitsubishi in was.

[samWRC]

Wonder when the last time there was a WRC entry without a Subaru or Mitsubishi in was.
Last years Rally Argentina

[dodge33cymru]

Last years Rally Argentina
Haha, touché, I was guessing 80s!

[markpcym]

I see it's getting milder in the region,hope doesn't affect what's there looking by the photos on social media..

[DocMS]

Going to Rally Sweden for first time this year. Looking for advise as to going to stages? How long before first competing car is due would use recommend to be there? And is it possible to get 3/4 stages on same day? Any advice is appreciated as this is last minute decision to go.


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[nafpaktos]

If anyone has the rally magazine with the accesses of the stages is it possible to scan these pages and send me?

thanks in advance

[markpcym]

if you look at planetmarcus he normally has good info on the events regarding maps

[Andre Oliveira]

Are you sure Henning has entered with 2017 Fiesta? He is not entered by M-Sport and in regulations it is said that only a manufacturer can entered WRC 2017 cars.

Henning should use the test car, as in previous years, PX66 HVY one

[Micke_VOC]

Some pictures from this Weekend:
Credit to Krister Berglund.

Svullrya: https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/16114076_702049933294860_189746162609321099_n.jpg? oh=36abf454198209589d584def4f79fe10&oe=590FE7B7

Knon: https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/16265613_702049953294858_3716664347868556446_n.jpg ?oh=6da97783ddaf19701c5e2be9ded2bff4&oe=5904A81B

Likenäs: https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/16266268_702049966628190_3475212574074775582_n.jpg ?oh=a2827c3b7d17c170496e0073d4734bd3&oe=58FF74F2

[Myrvold]

Some pictures from this Weekend:
Credit to Krister Berglund.


So, some days ago ? I see the snow-limit are creeping more and more north these days. Also, is the first pic Svullrya? I feels it's more like Hof-Finnskog.

[thescyy]

Some pictures from this Weekend:
Credit to Krister Berglund.


Now just stay cold, damnit.

[janvanvurpa]

Some pictures from this Weekend:
Credit to Krister Berglund.

Svullrya: https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/16114076_702049933294860_189746162609321099_n.jpg? oh=36abf454198209589d584def4f79fe10&oe=590FE7B7

Knon: https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/16265613_702049953294858_3716664347868556446_n.jpg ?oh=6da97783ddaf19701c5e2be9ded2bff4&oe=5904A81B

Likenäs: https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/16266268_702049966628190_3475212574074775582_n.jpg ?oh=a2827c3b7d17c170496e0073d4734bd3&oe=58FF74F2

Hej Micke were you just out for a pleasant sunday drive because you were bored watch TV2? Or did you get lost on the way to the local korv-kiosken?

And are you fortfarande VOC (I have questions about VOC).

[Tauri_J]

no snowbanks though

[Sso]

To SubaruNorway: Any plans on making a "spectator"-recce video this year as you did last year? Your Svullrya-video was excellent infor for me :)
Svullrya in new direction and Röjden-video would be appreciated!

[SubaruNorway]

To SubaruNorway: Any plans on making a "spectator"-recce video this year as you did last year? Your Svullrya-video was excellent infor for me :)
Svullrya in new direction and Röjden-video would be appreciated!

I think i'm skipping Rally Finnskogen this weekend so not before wednesday going over to Sweden if so, but i suggest you watch the onboards on WRC+ as it's much easier to spot cool things from them :) The last part of Svullrya ran in the same direction in 2012 on Rally Finnskogen if there are some onboards out there

[markpcym]

cant decide where to go on the Friday, any suggestions of what they're like??

[DocMS]

cant decide where to go on the Friday, any suggestions of what they're like??

We are the same. Trying to plan few stages before we end up in torsby for last stage of the day. Can't decide on which to go for.


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[Micke_VOC]

So, some days ago ? I see the snow-limit are creeping more and more north these days. Also, is the first pic Svullrya? I feels it's more like Hof-Finnskog.

yes it was on saturday i think, its more warm weahter now but should be cold over the weekend again. And thats good, building more ice-layer of the road.

[Micke_VOC]

Hej Micke were you just out for a pleasant sunday drive because you were bored watch TV2? Or did you get lost on the way to the local korv-kiosken?

And are you fortfarande VOC (I have questions about VOC).

hehe, no. The pictures belongs to Krister Berglund who posted them on facebook, so credit to him.

Yes, i am doing premiere with my newbuild Volvo 940 this weekend. 18 months of work...

Btw, you? was mentioned and pictured in last number of Bilsport Rally & Racing in Sweden i think, was about you driving a Saab in some rally in USA i think, last event on world level with a old Saab.

[tc10a]

So the starting order for Fridays leg should be something like:

Ogier
Latvala
Tänak
Sordo
Breen
Evans
Lefebvre
Neuville
Hänninen
followed by Paddon, Meeke, Ostberg, Solberg, Bertelli, Gorban (don't know the exact order for non finishers / non starters at Monte)

Under normal circumstances very good starting position for Neuville, Hänninen, Paddon, Meeke...

[stefanvv]

So the starting order for Fridays leg should be something like:

Ogier
Latvala
Tänak
Sordo
Breen
Evans
Lefebvre
Neuville
Hänninen
followed by Paddon, Meeke, Ostberg, Solberg, Bertelli, Gorban (don't know the exact order for non finishers / non starters at Monte)

Under normal circumstances very good starting position for Neuville, Hänninen, Paddon, Meeke...

I just guess Meeke will be before Paddon.

[janvanvurpa]

hehe, no. The pictures belongs to Krister Berglund who posted them on facebook, so credit to him.

Yes, i am doing premiere with my newbuild Volvo 940 this weekend. 18 months of work...

Btw, you? was mentioned and pictured in last number of Bilsport Rally & Racing in Sweden i think, was about you driving a Saab in some rally in USA i think, last event on world level with a old Saab.

940 sounds good. I make 50mm Bilstein suspension--much like Sellholm and am doing some now for a Swedish guy living in Canada, it will be good to have somebody here that knows how to drive in a good car..

And yeah that's me. That was WRC Olympus Rally 1986, last event for the Group B cars, last event for Ascona B--and there was one entered which stayed, and last event for Saab 96.... We DNF just past SS19 on day 3 and got to watch a great fight between Markuu Alen and Juha Kankunen...
https://scontent.fsnc1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15442159_1425155010881275_6907219684673158675_n.jp g?oh=87be1e958ab549a6628b9b57037331db&oe=591C82AD

Still have the car....10 years later I won one round of our US National Championship for 2wd cars...but with National spec motor, not the Group A motor I built for that.. And that photo was sent to me by old friend Ola Strömberg gamla Svensk mästare från Örebro, we're old friends...

[tc10a]

So Superspecial Karlstad definitely needs some icy days to come:

http://cdnx.nwt.se/inkommande/at77ha-2557911.jpg/alternates/LANDSCAPE_560/2557911.jpg

http://nwt.se/sport/motorsport/2017/01/25/soderberg-vantar-pa-kylan

[Myrvold]

So Superspecial Karlstad definitely needs some icy days to come:


Luckily Karlstad is way further south that any other stage (And I still don't get why they've kept it, they could've saved lots of transport and time by skipping the stage)

[rallyfiend]

Luckily Karlstad is way further south that any other stage (And I still don't get why they've kept it, they could've saved lots of transport and time by skipping the stage)

Because they make money selling tickets to make the rest of the event viable....

[satukata]

weather forecast next 10 days is more minus degrees and some snow in sunday. Hope good winterrally

[SubaruNorway]

Not looking very good around Torsby from next tuesday, lots of rain, Norway looks slightly better
http://www.yr.no/sted/Sverige/V%C3%A4rmland/Torsby/langtidsvarsel.html

[markpcym]

I hope this is wrong!
Accuweather is saying differently, lets hope this is correct forecast!..

[tc10a]

Not looking very good around Torsby from next tuesday, lots of rain, Norway looks slightly better
http://www.yr.no/sted/Sverige/V%C3%A4rmland/Torsby/langtidsvarsel.html

Fortunately this forecast changed a lot overnight

[liposh]

If you wanna know good forecast, you have to use yr.no (which predicts lower temperatures and lot of precipitation so is quite pessimistic) then weather.com (which is quite accurate but only for short-time predictions) and also add wetter.com which is every time totally optimistic and predicts high temperatures. Finally make the average from these three sources and that is IT.

[bluuford]

The weather in this region is changig very rapidly this year, 3 days forecast is almost reliable. Longer term, no way. Also snow dpth that is measured shown on the smhi site is based on the measurments on the open fields, reality in forrest is very different. I would not say anything yet.

[satnav]

If you wanna know good forecast, you have to use yr.no (which predicts lower temperatures and lot of precipitation so is quite pessimistic) then weather.com (which is quite accurate but only for short-time predictions) and also add wetter.com which is every time totally optimistic and predicts high temperatures. Finally make the average from these three sources and that is IT.

Almost correct Liposh , you can use all these ok to give you a bit of an idea , but for the correct forecast just listen to Bluuford ......

[nafpaktos]

The weather in this region is changig very rapidly this year, 3 days forecast is almost reliable. Longer term, no way. Also snow dpth that is measured shown on the smhi site is based on the measurments on the open fields, reality in forrest is very different. I would not say anything yet.

just tell us the best and the worse scenario!!

[nafpaktos]

If anyone has the rally magazine with the accesses of the stages is it possible to scan these pages and send me?

thanks in advance

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[BleAivano]

just tell us the best and the worse scenario!!

Worst case scenario is worse then last year, best case scenario is cold and lots of snow.
The thing is that even if itlooks good now, if the weather gets warmer with warm winds and rain the snow will be gone in a day or two.

[SubaruNorway]

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Magazine hasn't arrived yet, week 4-5 it says

[DocMS]

Is it a genuine concern for the stages at the moment regarding weather? Or are we getting wound up over nothing? Ok Karlstad doesn't look too good but the stages further north must still be ok going by pictures that are going around?


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[SubaruNorway]

Is it a genuine concern for the stages at the moment regarding weather? Or are we getting wound up over nothing? Ok Karlstad doesn't look too good but the stages further north must still be ok going by pictures that are going around?


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Now the -5 that was forecasted next weekend has turned into +4 so nearly a week with mild weather is not good, but won't be like last year i think. For all we know it could dump down during the rally now because it's been a very dry winter, in Norway close to Lillehammer it has probably snowed properly twice and three rounds of rain on frozen ground so 5-10cm of ice everywhere.

[liposh]

Almost correct Liposh , you can use all these ok to give you a bit of an idea , but for the correct forecast just listen to Bluuford ......
:D You have no idea who You are speaking with, right? That makes me laugh :D OK, if You say I should trust Bluuford, I will trust Bluuford.

[RS]

I hope this is wrong!
Accuweather is saying differently, lets hope this is correct forecast!..

Accuweather can't even get the 'nowcast' right. On Monday morning this week it said it was nine degrees but when I went out to my car it was covered in ice.

[Red13]

Drove the Vargåsen stage tonight. Nice conditions at the moment, 50% ice 50% snow. Not a lot of snow in the terain on the last section but the roads are in perfect shape. Forecast is shaky, but right now conditions are alright.

Except for sss in Karlstad. Down there they need some subzero days to get icy conditions.

[markpcym]

Accuweather can't even get the 'nowcast' right. On Monday morning this week it said it was nine degrees but when I went out to my car it was covered in ice.
I said this as it was what it was saying at the time and what I was hoping for not what the other forecasts were saying, what forecasts are right.. and whatever we say theres feck all we can do about it anyway!!

[BleAivano]

Is it a genuine concern for the stages at the moment regarding weather? Or are we getting wound up over nothing?
Ok Karlstad doesn't look too good but the stages further north must still be ok going by pictures that are going around?


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As said before it is not possible to say at the moment. Conditions could be great or they could be awful.
The current 10 day forecast says +degrees but again forecasts aren't that reliable for more then 1-3 days forward.
SMHI says that there is a chance of snow on Sunday, Tuesday and over the next weekend which if correct and if followed by
colder weather will make the conditions very good.

Perfect conditions are achieved by: a long stretch of cold weather without snow -> warmer weather with lots of "wet snow" -> lots of traffic on the road that will
compress the snow -> colder weather so that everything will be frozen solid. Then repeat steps 2-4 a few times and you'll have perfect conditions.

[SubaruNorway]

No 17' car for Henning it seems, trying to rent a 16' car now but struggling so might be in an R5

[satukata]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWTq_ptyBRA#t=16.061323 where is this place? lots of action!

[SubaruNorway]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWTq_ptyBRA#t=16.061323 where is this place? lots of action!

Last junction on Röjden

[DocMS]

Last junction on Röjden

I can see from map that there is roads into it. Are these roads easily accessible by car or is this forestry roads closed to public?


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[SubaruNorway]

I can see from map that there is roads into it. Are these roads easily accessible by car or is this forestry roads closed to public?


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Yeah it's the last one coming up from the south in the magazine map, haven't been there myself but it's not the widest road by the looks of it.
http://kart.gulesider.no/m/DlTJ3

While we're at it, has anyone checked this road on Röjden? I'm sure it's closed since it's not marked as a entry road, shame since it opens up for some good spots without walking 3-4km.
http://kart.gulesider.no/m/pb68p

Fun fact: where it says Torkil on the road i marked is where this clip of Henning in the Evo is from ;) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtOrkw6MgHk

[bluuford]

I was looking different weather maps and I would say that there is nothing to worry about too much, yet. Worst scenario at the moment is Karlstad without a snow and a little bit bad conditions around Hagfors, but most of the other locations look good. But still long time to go!

[jparker]

Can anyone share some more info about the following entries?
ARAI Hiroki / MACNEALL Glenn
KATSUTA Takamoto / SALMINEN Marko

both with Tommi Mäkinen Racing RC2 R5

[tommeke_B]

While we're at it, has anyone checked this road on Röjden? I'm sure it's closed since it's not marked as a entry road, shame since it opens up for some good spots without walking 3-4km.
http://kart.gulesider.no/m/pb68p

Last year someone I know tried that access road a few days before, but there was a locked barrier.

[Simmi]

Can anyone share some more info about the following entries?
ARAI Hiroki / MACNEALL Glenn
KATSUTA Takamoto / SALMINEN Marko

both with Tommi Mäkinen Racing RC2 R5

The two Toyota junior guys. Supposedly destined for a long-term WRC drive (one of them at least) but they both need to improve A LOT. Both had British co-drivers last year but have switched this season.

[markpcym]

I was looking different weather maps and I would say that there is nothing to worry about too much, yet. Worst scenario at the moment is Karlstad without a snow and a little bit bad conditions around Hagfors, but most of the other locations look good. But still long time to go!

Fingers crossed!!

[SubaruNorway]

Last year someone I know tried that access road a few days before, but there was a locked barrier.

Ok thanks.

Found an onboard from the middel part of Knon when it was called Brunnberg in 2003. The top part is between junctions at 7:45 to 11:03 same direction. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZmcyatK_2Q

[OldF]

Can anyone share some more info about the following entries?
ARAI Hiroki / MACNEALL Glenn
KATSUTA Takamoto / SALMINEN Marko

both with Tommi Mäkinen Racing RC2 R5

Little more about the guys.
http://toyotagazooracing.com/other/challengeprogram_rally/

2017 program.
http://toyotagazooracing.com/release/2016/challengeprogram_rally/1221-01.html

This year also a Japanese female co-driver for Jarkko Nikara.
http://toyotagazooracing.com/release/2017/challengeprogram_rally/0112-01.html

[kirungi okwogera]

Can anyone share some more info about the following entries?
ARAI Hiroki / MACNEALL Glenn
KATSUTA Takamoto / SALMINEN Marko

both with Tommi Mäkinen Racing RC2 R5

Australian co-driver Macneall has co-driven Gaurav Gill in APRC and Emma Gilmour in NZRC, quite experienced.

[SubaruNorway]

This year's shakedown, start identical but finish is at 5:55min
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiMsCuvdg08

[Danny0405]

The two Toyota junior guys. Supposedly destined for a long-term WRC drive (one of them at least) but they both need to improve A LOT. Both had British co-drivers last year but have switched this season.

Yes, they are both far far away from the WRC-drive level.
They are both sons of former WRC driver (Katsuka's father made two or three rallyes, Arai's father was a paid-driver for one or two seasons).
And both are worse than their father even now, looking at the results in Japanese rallye. And the two fathers were quite low-level drivers (for the WRC championship I mean).
It would be quite a no-sense to see them in a WRC seat.
If I had to compare them, I would say Arai is a little better (at least he has a little of speed even if he has no consistency). Katsuka is just terrible.

[focus206]

Yes, they are both far far away from the WRC-drive level.
They are both sons of former WRC driver (Katsuka's father made two or three rallyes, Arai's father was a paid-driver for one or two seasons).
And both are worse than their father even now, looking at the results in Japanese rallye. And the two fathers were quite low-level drivers (for the WRC championship I mean).
It would be quite a no-sense to see them in a WRC seat.
If I had to compare them, I would say Arai is a little better (at least he has a little of speed even if he has no consistency). Katsuka is just terrible.

Yes, they are the sons of 2 multiple Japanese rally champions (Arai even 2x PWRC champion), and I'd say Hiroki Arai might have some margin of improving, if you look at last year's results he didn't do that bad, few decent results. Katsuta, on the other hand...

[satukata]

do you have any maps of the viewing areas?

[SubaruNorway]

do you have any maps of the viewing areas?

I don't think it's out yet, but most of the maps are here

http://rallysweden.com/tavlande/dokument

[tc10a]

Yes, they are the sons of 2 multiple Japanese rally champions (Arai even 2x PWRC champion), and I'd say Hiroki Arai might have some margin of improving, if you look at last year's results he didn't do that bad, few decent results. Katsuta, on the other hand...

Katsuta seems also to have improved - 4th stage time (SM1) (+10.8s) on 22km SS1 of Arctic Rally 2017 behind Nikara, Salo and Manty.
Also Arai did quite well there after 2016 performances. Until penultimate stage fifth overall (SM1) and some 3rd and 4th fastest times.

[Sulland]

Katsuta seems also to have improved - 4th stage time (SM1) (+10.8s) on 22km SS1 of Arctic Rally 2017 behind Nikara, Salo and Manty.
Also Arai did quite well there after 2016 performances. Until penultimate stage fifth overall (SM1) and some 3rd and 4th fastest times.

The japanese co-driver
Sayaka Adachi that now reads for Nikara, will have a fun year, with a very offensive driver!
maybe som sake will help
:beer:

[polomayu]

Hi, I'm new in the forum, and this year I'm going to my first rally sweden.
The road acces to rojden you were talking about was used as a rally access road in 2015 (i saw it in 2015 magazine), but looking at your comments last year was closed, very disappointing.

If anyone is interested i can share the pictures from the access road in 2015 to the stages rojden, vargasen, varmullsasen(hagfors) and torsby.

Anyone of you has the access road of the stages from this year or last year rallye Sweden magazine?

Thanks to evrybody for the info in your posts, and wish everyone a nice rally!!

Sorry for my english.

[ruesluporp]

Anyone of you has the access road of the stages from this year or last year rallye Sweden magazine?


Last year Sweden Rally Maps : https://app.box.com/s/xmq3b5invdl8if9hpvgl1bs5nokxdut5

[tc10a]

Hi, I'm new in the forum, and this year I'm going to my first rally sweden.
The road acces to rojden you were talking about was used as a rally access road in 2015 (i saw it in 2015 magazine), but looking at your comments last year was closed, very disappointing.

If anyone is interested i can share the pictures from the access road in 2015 to the stages rojden, vargasen, varmullsasen(hagfors) and torsby.

Anyone of you has the access road of the stages from this year or last year rallye Sweden magazine?

Thanks to evrybody for the info in your posts, and wish everyone a nice rally!!

Sorry for my english.

Just take the official spectator access road to Lovhaugen. There is parking space and lots of nice places, jumps, fast bends etc. in walking distance.

[DocMS]

Anyone got the magazine yet? Due week 4-5 so maybe some has it yet. Have one ordered but not delivered yet.


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[SubaruNorway]

The road acces to rojden you were talking about was used as a rally access road in 2015 (i saw it in 2015 magazine), but looking at your comments last year was closed, very disappointing.

Anyone of you has the access road of the stages from this year or last year rallye Sweden magazine?

Sorry for my english.

You are right, hopefully it's open again this year if it wasn't closed because of too many getting stuck.
No Magazine in the mail in Norway yet

[Sulland]

If Mikkelsen had a 16 Polo in Sweden, how far off the leaders would he have been?
How much in sec/km is the aprox difference btw a 16 and 17 car on ice/snow?