Rally Wrc Monte Carlo 2017

[kirungi okwogera]

So, we have 1 or 2 involved people in that accident?

One. The blue spots were only on the still from the onboard, it's clear later in the onboard if you play in slow motion there is no one further on. Only person was the black spot with the reflective hat/flash camera.

[NoFear85]

looks good

[er88]

https://scontent-mad1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t34.0-12/16176558_1602031386492949_1244672504_n.jpg?oh=5f87 8c36970d8d9a53394e87c93b2039&oe=5883D388
Is that a guy under the car?

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[maciotacio]

There is a person in green high vis vest in the onboard, not 3m from the black spot where the guy seems to be sitting... steward not doing their job?

It's a WRC cameraman. Maybe he said that guy to move out, maybe not we don't know

[spiderem]

Anybody know if SS2 is live on BT sport 1?

[wwbroe]

Is that a guy under the car?

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Seems a guy to me:mad:

[kirungi okwogera]

It's a WRC cameraman. Maybe he said that guy to move out, maybe not we don't know

I shouldn't assume. And even if everyone is responsible and tells someone to leave the road people can not listen or be slow.

[er88]

Seems a guy to me:mad:
Fuck that's bad :(

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[Franky]

It's a WRC cameraman. Maybe he said that guy to move out, maybe not we don't know

Idiots don't listen most of the time, even when you explain them why they shouldn't stand where they are.

[SubaruNorway]

Is that a guy under the car?

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No, it's the camera gear that looks like legs, ran it frame by frame to check

[MartijnS]

looks good

No official account

[GeoFerg_Sco]

Anybody know if SS2 is live on BT sport 1?

No it's not live.

[jparker]

same video, but edited.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11785680

[bluuford]

No, it's the camera gear that looks like legs, ran it fram by fram to check

Or pieces of Hyundai

[kirungi okwogera]

No, it's the camera gear that looks like legs, ran it fram by fram to check

It does seem like the kind of place you would set up a low angle gopro, but that still looks very bad indeed. Watch the onboard at .25x on youtube, I think you can see the black spot standing up just as the car starts to angle away. I think I'm done looking at this forensically. I hope we get hopeful news soon.

[cali]

Idiots don't listen most of the time, even when you explain them why they shouldn't stand where they are.
Remember once in Estonian Champs rally in Paide. We were standing inside the corner. Then a father with a kid who was around 8-10 years old went to stand on the outside corner. I yelled at him that this is too dangerous place, take your kid away from there. He just stared at me awkwardly. Luckily last 0 car threw so much rocks at them that they went away before first competition car came.

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[Luis Pacheco]

I can not believe the guy survives. Two huge impacts. (car and barrier)

[WRC17]

Is the spectator ok ?

[AL14]

Nobody knows at the moment

[GeoFerg_Sco]

Anyone know what will happen to the stage times?

[Lead]

There is absolutley no excuse to stand outside of the icy corner in complete dark trying to make a photo....
You cant put safety marshall next to every spectator, but it seems there were group of people there, probably his friends...
You have to watch your back or at least someone does it for you. Its just simply stupid.

[seb_sh]

Anyone know what will happen to the stage times?

Since the stage was cancelled to me it means they don't count at all.

[Danny0405]

Not 100% sure for the moment but in France, some sources has mentionned he died

[wwbroe]

According to french forum, the man that was hit was an acreditated photographer and apparently he didn't survive. Don't shoot me if this info is not correct.

[N.O.T]

Not 100% sure for the moment but in France, some sources has mentionned he died

what sources ?

[danon]

looks good

100% not true - the spectator was launched up the cliff from the side of the road (repeat the video).
I can make a GIF to show it but I do not want to.
I hope the guy is OK.
Paddon is not to blame.

[RAS007]

According to french forum, the man that was hit was an acreditated photographer and apparently he didn't survive. Don't shoot me if this info is not correct.

I pray this is not true. A terrible, terrible start to the season, for everyone, if it is.

[Francis44]

Yes, on forum-rally they are saying one man was confirmed dead on scene, but lets wait for more concrete news.

[Jasper]

Rumours in Belgium say it's a Belgian photographer who was hit, and died... I hope it isn't true...

Tommeke_b is ok.

[wwbroe]

I pray this is not true. A terrible, terrible start to the season, for everyone, if it is.

That's for sure,the info is from a commisaire on the first stage.

[A FONDO]

Anyone know what will happen to the stage times?

Normally they give the slowest time to all who didn't finish the stage, but the difference here is just 0,7 so they can cancel it - will be the same. Most important now is will they cancel the second stage (and the whole event). Live text in wrc.com says only this
Thu 21:14 - Schedule update
Crews are being directed to Bayons - the start of Stage 2. The stage is due to start at 2257hrs.

[itix]

I doubt he survived... If the promoter is starting to delete videos and being very hush hush about it that's a clear sign. Also Andres screen grab pretty much tell the story.

I fear this is a very dark end to the beginning of our season.

Wouldn't surprise me a bit if he was an acredited photographer. I have voiced my safety complaints about them before...

[WUff1]

So it´s two guys? The black one, now cited as photographer, and the guy in the blue jacket, who fell off the rock.

[GeoFerg_Sco]

Was wondering if they might cancel the event if these stories are true.

[Myrvold]

So it´s two guys? The black one, now cited as photographer, and the guy in the blue jacket, who fell off the rock.

I was thinking about that, but it's a missing body if there have been two.

[Jasper]

So it´s two guys? The black one, now cited as photographer, and the guy in the blue jacket, who fell off the rock.

No one fell off a rock. Maybe read the last couple off pages.

[Lead]

So it´s two guys? The black one, now cited as photographer, and the guy in the blue jacket, who fell off the rock.

To me its seems the same guy as he was hit by cars rear end and the lifted in the air against the rocks...

[USER47]

So it´s two guys? The black one, now cited as photographer, and the guy in the blue jacket, who fell off the rock.
Noone fell off the rock. The guy "falling" was actually launched in the air and towards the rock, as he'd been hit by the back of the car while sitting on the ground in the corner.

[RAS007]

Videos disappearing off YouTube as fast as they're going up. Not a good sign.

[N.O.T]

I just want the event to go as normal, could not care less about idiots pushing their luck.

[WRC17]

he was stood in an unruly place and he knew the risks

[MrJan]

Jesus, WRC.com finally release a story that says absolutely nothing about anyone else being involved.

Had a guy on Twitter suggesting that I should wait for Official News before speculating, but what's the point when the official release is so massively far behind what we already know and have seen live on tv?

[MrJan]

Jesus, WRC.com finally release a story that says absolutely nothing about anyone else being involved.

Had a guy on Twitter suggesting that I should wait for Official News before speculating, but what's the point when the official release is so massively far behind what we already know and have seen live on tv? It even tries to say that the stage was stopped because of the car blocking the road.

[dbrito26]

The injured is a spectator that was filming with a mobile

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[Fast Eddie WRC]

Crazy.. WRC.com not even mentioning a spectator involved. Still saying reason just a car blocking the road.

[itix]

I am almost 100 percent sure the event will be cancelled now... : (

RMC's bad safety finally came back to bite their asses.

[bluuford]

I am almost 100 percent sure the event will be cancelled now... : (

RMC's bad safety finally came back to bite their asses.

No, they wont. Such things have happened before and it is just mentioned.
The first they have to contact with family and then media

[Rally Power]

Honestly, I'm still convinced this is just a unfortunate fall from a bad placed spectator, but once it's not totally clear how it happened no one should be saying for sure that the spectator was hitted by the car.

If the wrong people (general media) also jump into that kind of fast impression that could be pretty damaging for the sport.

[itix]

No, they wont. Such things have happened before and it is just mentioned.
Not at the first stage, first rally, live on TV it hasn't...

[Eli]

Event Update from wrc.com:
Thu 22:24 - SS2: Slight delay
Rally organisers confirm a 10-minute delay to the start of SS2. Ogier's new time: 2307hrs. First eight cars - at least - will run at 3-minute intervals. A decision on the gaps between the cars following will be made later.

[amilk]

I am almost 100 percent sure the event will be cancelled now... : (

RMC's bad safety finally came back to bite their asses.

Yes, on each year RMC we can see 1 to 3 "nearly hit" video's , more than on most events , so if this happen sooner or later it was predictable.
I belive they will cancel today ss2 and for the morning they will decide what to do with the rest based on media sounds

[Jasper]

Honestly, I'm still convinced this is just a unfortunate fall from a bad placed spectator, but once it's not totally clear how it happened no one should be saying for sure that the spectator was hitted by the car.

If the wrong people (general media) also jump into that kind of fast impression that could be pretty damaging for the sport.

It's totaly clear on the video that he was hit... It's NOT a fast impression it's a fact.

[MrJan]

Honestly, I'm still convinced this is just a unfortunate fall from a bad placed spectator, but once it's not totally clear how it happened no one should be saying for sure that the spectator was hitted by the car.

If the wrong people (general media) also jump into that kind of fast impression that could be pretty damaging for the sport.

It's not a conclusion, you see the guy going up the bank. I don't know about you but when I fall off something I don't usually go up.

[jparker]

10 min delay for next stage.

[Rallyper]

Glad to hear Tommeke_B is alright. Knew he wouldn´t be stupid to stand at that point. Now WRC-radio says 10 min delay on SS2.

[Lead]

Event Update from wrc.com:
Thu 22:24 - SS2: Slight delay
Rally organisers confirm a 10-minute delay to the start of SS2. Ogier's new time: 2307hrs. First eight cars - at least - will run at 3-minute intervals. A decision on the gaps between the cars following will be made later.

3min gaps? I wonder what was the reason for that...

[Bartek]

3min gaps? I wonder what was the reason for that...

I think because other cars are far away from the SS2 start so that's the reason

[itix]

It's totaly clear on the video that he was hit... It's NOT a fast impression it's a fact.
Correct :


https://scontent-mad1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t34.0-12/16176558_1602031386492949_1244672504_n.jpg?oh=5f87 8c36970d8d9a53394e87c93b2039&oe=5883D388

There is definitely a person under that car. It'd be a miracle if he's alive.

[MrJan]

3min gaps? I wonder what was the reason for that...

I guess that the delay getting cars through/away from SS1. Spread the first 8 cars to allow more to gather at start of SS2. Effectively they've delayed car 9 by 18 minutes rather than just the 10 that Ogier is delayed.

[satukata]

I am almost 100 percent sure the event will be cancelled now... : (

RMC's bad safety finally came back to bite their asses.

I think they don´t cancel rally. In 90ies in Rally Finland spectator died in first ss. They canceled first ss but rally continued normally next day.

It´s very sad to say but motorsport is dangerous

[mousti]

3min gaps? I wonder what was the reason for that...
Probably to get all the cars Who are delayed getting together at the start per 2 minutes then

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[MrJan]

There is definitely a person under that car. It'd be a miracle if he's alive.

I don't think that is someone under the car, at this point the guy is up to the right.

[onemanband]

Correct :



There is definitely a person under that car. It'd be a miracle if he's alive.

Actually i'm not sure. It seems to me more like the Hyundai's wheel arch.

[Bartek]

http://www.dhnet.be/sports/moteurs/drame-au-rallye-monte-carlo-un-pilote-belge-a-assiste-au-crash-mortel-video-58812c49cd70e747fb4d3b8b

Interview with a men who was in that place

[seb_sh]

There is definitely a person under that car. It'd be a miracle if he's alive.


Actually i'm not sure. It seems to me more like the Hyundai's wheel arch.

indeed it's far from definite, could be a person, could be a wheel arch or bumper, your brain can be tricked it's hard to tell from such a low quality screenshots of a video in bad light...

[BigWorm]

Correct :



There is definitely a person under that car. It'd be a miracle if he's alive.

I'm not sure I see it, but maybe it's because I don't want to see that. I agree that it looks like a pair of legs next to the right rear wheel but I really hope it's some loose part from the car.

[SubaruNorway]

Correct :



There is definitely a person under that car. It'd be a miracle if he's alive.

That's some camera gear and backpack, exhaust fell off and startet to burn there as well

[EightGear]

http://www.dhnet.be/sports/moteurs/drame-au-rallye-monte-carlo-un-pilote-belge-a-assiste-au-crash-mortel-video-58812c49cd70e747fb4d3b8b

Interview with a men who was in that place
Saying the man is dead...

[Jasper]

http://www.dhnet.be/sports/moteurs/drame-au-rallye-monte-carlo-un-pilote-belge-a-assiste-au-crash-mortel-video-58812c49cd70e747fb4d3b8b

Interview with a men who was in that place

Says the person has died 1min after he was hit.

[Francis44]

If that report on the article is true than its very damaging for the organizers. According to the belgium driver the victim was there dead for more than 20 minutes waiting on an ambulance.

[Lead]

If that report on the article is true than its very damaging for the organizers. According to the belgium driver the victim was there dead for more than 20 minutes waiting on an ambulance.

And accident took place 1km before stage end...

[seb_sh]

If that report is true, it's quite bad. Dunno if there's anything to blame on the organisers. Seems like it was the man's mistake of standing there.

[noel157]

Read that earlier, irresponsible "journalism".

[satukata]

If that report on the article is true than its very damaging for the organizers. According to the belgium driver the victim was there dead for more than 20 minutes waiting on an ambulance.

If ambulans was on start line it takes 20mins...

[Bartek]

Paddon car is moving if I'm right, maybe it's a good signal

[jparker]

Paddon must be devastated. I guess he's not going to continue.

[danon]

Correct :

https://scontent-mad1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t34.0-12/16176558_1602031386492949_1244672504_n.jpg?oh=5f87 8c36970d8d9a53394e87c93b2039&oe=5883D388

There is definitely a person under that car. It'd be a miracle if he's alive.

NO, it's just an illusion, the person is already up and rolling...

[steve.mandzij]

According to WRC standings, Latvala Is last, 8 minutes behind Neuville. This is BULLSHIT!

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[EightGear]

According to WRC standings, Latvala Is last, 8 minutes behind Neuville. This is BULLSHIT!

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Are you really worrying about that? Anyway, if you put any value to that still, that will be corrected.

[Carbon]

According to WRC standings, Latvala Is last, 8 minutes behind Neuville. This is BULLSHIT!

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Haha, they will change it 100%, calm down. :D

[MrJan]

According to WRC standings, Latvala Is last, 8 minutes behind Neuville. This is BULLSHIT!

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I can only assume that you haven't been paying attention.

[jparker]

Probably he has no clue what has happened.

[KKS]

no one rally source did not confirm anything yet?

[steve.mandzij]

I can only assume that you haven't been paying attention.
To what? The spectator? I have, of course. I was just checking what the verdict was on the times, since there was no news on the poor guy. And being a massive Latvala fanboy it hit me hard.

Oh and I'm calm now :p
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[BigWorm]

The only person I can definitely see is the one falling down from above. Could be broken legs for that person, surely not death?

[Hasselhoax]

Yes, watching motorsport is dangerous.

Watching sharks behind a 2m thick safety glass is also dangerous if you jump in and watch the people behind the glass from the water with the sharks.

[satukata]

Ogier is moving to start. Looks like they continue normally. Only 10 min late

[steve.mandzij]

Probably he has no clue what has happened.
Again, I do, and frankly its impossible to not know what happened by now.

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[er88]

The only person I can definitely see is the one falling down from above. Could be broken legs for that person, surely not death?
He got smashed by the rear of the car against a rock hard cliff face, then fell all the way down onto the road. He's dead. RIP. Horrible way for the season to start

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[Rallyper]

Now WRC-radio has songs in minor key.

[Oliverk]

Radio music says it all.

[USER47]

The only person I can definitely see is the one falling down from above. Could be broken legs for that person, surely not death?
Another one who hasn't read anything written on previous pages? Again, he didn't fall down, the guy "falling" has been launched in the air after sitting in the corner and being hit by the back of the car.

[Rallyper]

The only person I can definitely see is the one falling down from above. Could be broken legs for that person, surely not death?

At this late stage you only show wishful thinking. The facts are different.

[Eli]

& Poor Paddon, will be hard for him to continue this season.

[satukata]

[QUOTE=steve.mandzij;1121133]To what? The spectator? I have, of course. I was just checking what the verdict was on the times, since there was no news on the poor guy. And being a massive Latvala fanboy it hit me hard.

Where are you from Latvala fan? I´m big fan too!!]

[Morte66]

It is eerie how the commentators just talked over the crash without mentioning the accident. So easy to not see it, even though it was right in front of us. I just saw Paddon wandering around and wondered if he was a bit shocked by the crash. I was watching it and I didn't realize there was the person on the ground until I looked at this thread after the stage was cancelled. The second commentator was even asking why they didn't right the car and carry on.

[MrJan]

To what? The spectator? I have, of course. I was just checking what the verdict was on the times, since there was no news on the poor guy. And being a massive Latvala fanboy it hit me hard.

Oh and I'm calm now :p
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I was calling the guy stupid and even I think that's a bit insensitive. Who gives a f**k about the times of a cancelled stage?

[jparker]

Again, I do, and frankly its impossible to not know what happened by now.

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In that case why are you surprised? The times posted are the actual times. Latvala crossed the finish line 8 min late because of the accident.

[kirungi okwogera]

It's selfish of me as a fan but I hope Paddon and Kennard find it in themselves to continue on the path they're on. Sometimes this kind of thing happens and a driver can't commit 100% anymore. With such a talent I hope that won't be the case.

Didn't Mikkelson have a similar tragedy with a young girl early in his career?

[BigWorm]

Another one who hasn't read anything written on previous pages? Again, he didn't fall down, the guy "falling" has been launched in the air after sitting in the corner and being hit by the back of the car.


At this late stage you only show wishful thinking. The facts are different.

Sorry, missed that. This thread is getting a lot of posts at the moment and thought the facts were coming in the upcoming posts. No ignorance intended, but I just missed it.

That seems reasonable, and truly sad information.

[MrJan]

It is eerie how the commentators just talked over the crash without mentioning the accident. So easy to not see it, even though it was right in front of us. I just saw Paddon wandering around and wondered if he was a bit shocked by the crash. I was watching it and I didn't realize there was the person on the ground until I looked at this thread after the stage was cancelled. The second commentator was even askign why they didn't right the car and carry on.

I knew something was wrong by the way that there were people crowding around on the other side of the car. Was a bit surprised that they showed a few replays as looked obvious to me that something had happened. Not surprised that Desborough and his pal didn't spot it though, you could slap Jon in the face with a 14 inch rubber cock and he would realise until you'd showed him 8 slo-mo replays.

[steve.mandzij]

[QUOTE=steve.mandzij;1121133]To what? The spectator? I have, of course. I was just checking what the verdict was on the times, since there was no news on the poor guy. And being a massive Latvala fanboy it hit me hard.

Where are you from Latvala fan? I´m big fan too!!]
Argentina! Last year I was gutted when he rolled in the lead of my home rally :( I don't really know why I like him so much, but I do

For those who might still think I'm oblivious to the spectator's accident, I'm trying to liven up the conversation.

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[wia5958]

NO, it's just an illusion, the person is already up and rolling...

From this angle i dont think its possible for the guy to be thrown up the bank if that is him we are seeing as the car is practically over the top of him or the object whatever it is

[Myrvold]

Didn't Mikkelson have a similar tragedy with a young girl early in his career?

Yes, in Norway. He went off and hit a 10yo girl.

[MrJan]

It's selfish of me as a fan but I hope Paddon and Kennard find it in themselves to continue on the path they're on. Sometimes this kind of thing happens and a driver can't commit 100% anymore. With such a talent I hope that won't be the case.

Agreed. He's one of the best drivers in the world (and strikes me as one of the nicest guys you could meet) at the moment but assuming he continues it's the kind of thing that effects how you drive.

[RallyTyger]

It's selfish of me as a fan but I hope Paddon and Kennard find it in themselves to continue on the path they're on. Sometimes this kind of thing happens and a driver can't commit 100% anymore. With such a talent I hope that won't be the case.

Didn't Mikkelson have a similar tragedy with a young girl early in his career?

Yes, Mikkelsen hit a child who died in a Norwegian rally back in 2009

[satukata]

It's selfish of me as a fan but I hope Paddon and Kennard find it in themselves to continue on the path they're on. Sometimes this kind of thing happens and a driver can't commit 100% anymore. With such a talent I hope that won't be the case.

Didn't Mikkelson have a similar tragedy with a young girl early in his career?

Bruno thiry had tragedy with young girl in finland too

[MrJan]

From this angle i dont think its possible for the guy to be thrown up the bank if that is him we are seeing as the car is practically over the top of him or the object whatever it is

He's not in the photo. The video you can see that he falls after that screenshot was taken.

[steve.mandzij]

In that case why are you surprised? The times posted are the actual times. Latvala crossed the finish line 8 min late because of the accident.
I was confused, that's all. I'm not new to the WRC but this is the first time I follow an event so closely. I hadn't understood the results posted. Cut me some slack, okay?

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[Hasselhoax]

It's selfish of me as a fan but I hope Paddon and Kennard find it in themselves to continue on the path they're on. Sometimes this kind of thing happens and a driver can't commit 100% anymore. With such a talent I hope that won't be the case.

Didn't Mikkelson have a similar tragedy with a young girl early in his career?
Yes. 2009 Rally Larvik in Norway.

[EstWRC]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2kMrLlWgAAI89a.jpg

[macebig]

If indeed its true, Paddon would surely use some help.Hope he gets over it and continues.We can't afford to lose another talent so early.McRae, Burns and Martin were already a big hit.

[dimviii]

just came back and read all these...

At Monte the bomb was ticking for years.Every year he had the same conversation about organization and where spectators were sitting.

[wwbroe]

The "zer" car is still not running on stage 2

[wwbroe]

The "zero" car is still not running on stage 2

[wwbroe]

Zero car now just left start line of stage 2

[Luijbregts]

Here you can maybe see better that people are gathering behind Paddon's car to check on the spectator: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11785680

[EstWRC]

why do i have a feeling they will cancel this stage also?

[MrJan]

The "zero" car is still not running on stage 2

Nothing on the live text to suggest any further delay

[Hasselhoax]

Designated spectator areas will not solve the problem. It will just kill a sport so dependant on the freedom to watch tourists in the forest closely (as some here would state it).

[Franky]

So at least 5 more minutes delayed from now?

[wwbroe]

So at least 5 more minutes delayed from now?
I guess so,some friends are at the start.

[satukata]

Zero car now just left start line of stage 2

where you got info?

[wwbroe]

where you got info?

Some friends are on the startline.

[KKS]

Anyone have wrc+? Take a screenshot where was cars right now.

[dupanton]

Live Stream from SS2:
https://www.facebook.com/225590097494105/videos/1237311136321991/?hc_ref=NEWSFEED&qsefr=1

[wwbroe]

Ogier to leave in 3 mins

[EstWRC]

cars are at the start and long time ago already

[dupanton]

Anyone have wrc+? Take a screenshot where was cars right now.

All WRCs are at the startline

[satnav]

All the cars are at start of ss2

[USER47]

Stacked on the start at the moment.

edit: damn, these posts are coming in too fast:))

[rage82]

Jean Ragnotti with the 0 car just passed our spot 300 m. before the finish.

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[AL14]

Yes my friends too are at the startline, they just sent me an audio in whatsapp with the sound of ogier's car ready to start.

[Bartek]

http://i68.tinypic.com/2d83qyf.jpg

voilà

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Have Rally Radio said anything about the accident ?

[AL14]

Ogier just switched off the car now....

[Luijbregts]

Interview out of a belgian newspaper (Source Facebook Anders Grondal) We were just ten meters higher in the special stage. We had seen the guy post his Go Pro on the road and climb up one meter in the embankment, " testifies for the DH Romain. "We all shouted at him and told him not to stay there. It was thought that after two cars he would realize that he was badly put ... When Paddon arrived, the car slipped, squatted before the left and tapped the slope. The guy was broke, crushed by the car before flying and dropping his head down on the road. A firefighter on site as a spectator tried to do a cardiac massage. He still had a pulse for a minute and then nothing. Relief took an incredible amount of time to arrive. We were a mile from the finish but they did not want to get the ambulance up since the finish. She had to come in the direction of the special, probably from the start. We stayed more than twenty minutes waiting for the ambulance. The guy had been dead for a long time even though the firefighter told us he had to massage until the doctors arrived and could not officially say he had died. We talked with John Kennard, Paddon's crew, and he could not get over the slowness of the relief. It's just that. That said, it would not have changed for him. It is sad, especially for the rally because we will say that the new WRC are dangerous, that we returned to the era of Group B, while this has nothing to have. It's just a beast out of a pilot on an ice sheet

[wwbroe]

Have Rally Radio said anything about the accident ?

Nothing official

[jparker]

THU 23:14 - SS2: FURTHER DELAY
More news when we get it.


This is from "Live Text" on wrc.com

[wwbroe]

Ogier has left

[EightGear]

Ogier in stage according to WRC+.

[MrJan]

Have Rally Radio said anything about the accident ?

They've said that there was an accident and that Hyundai tweeted something. They also acknowledged quite early that there was a lot of speculation but they couldn't say anything until it was official seeing as they're the official station.

[satnav]

Ogier just started stage

[steve.mandzij]

New start time: 11:18PM local

Whoops, a tad late
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[bluuford]

This will be really, really night stage :P

[kirungi okwogera]

They've said that there was an accident and that Hyundai tweeted something. They also acknowledged quite early that there was a lot of speculation but they couldn't say anything until it was official seeing as they're the official station.

Usually with these type of things there is no official public word until next of kin are informed.

What terrible luck for Paddon. Completely not his fault.

[MrJan]

They've said that there was an accident and that Hyundai tweeted something. They also acknowledged quite early that there was a lot of speculation but they couldn't say anything until it was official seeing as they're the official station.

Becs again saying "Paddon/Kennard involved in an incident and stage cancelled. Hyundai have tweeted that both are okay. More news filtering in."

[EightGear]

WRC is just fucking this all up so bad. Eye witnesses say the guy was dead a minute after the crash, yet all we're hearing is "We will let you know more once we know more."

Pathetic.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Nothing official

Radio back live, Becs & Emyr sounding very chipper considering...

[kirungi okwogera]

WRC is just fucking this all up so bad. Eye witnesses say the guy was dead a minute after the crash, yet all we're hearing is "We will let you know more once we know more."

Pathetic.

See my post above yours.

[MrJan]

Usually with these type of things there is no official public word until next of kin are informed.

Yep makes sense. Although I don't see why they can't at least mention that a spectator was 'involved'.

[wwbroe]

Minus 12 to 15 on the stage (temperature)

[SubaruNorway]

WRC is just fucking this all up so bad. Eye witnesses say the guy was dead a minute after the crash, yet all we're hearing is "We will let you know more once we know more."

Pathetic.

Organizers stating he passed out, the guy interviewed could have been right but that they have revived him in the helicopter.

[MrJan]

Radio back live, Becs & Emyr sounding very chipper considering...

Would be weird if they were all sombre given that they haven't announced anything though. Case of 'stiff upper lip' and business as usual unfortunately.

[MrJan]

Neuville 2.4 up at first split.

[dimviii]

Neuville -2,4 from Ogier

[car]

WRC is just fucking this all up so bad. Eye witnesses say the guy was dead a minute after the crash, yet all we're hearing is "We will let you know more once we know more."

Pathetic.

Get a grip!! There is no way an official media outlet such as WRC.COM could report a death without official confirmation.

[itix]

Interview out of a belgian newspaper (Source Facebook Anders Grondal) We were just ten meters higher in the special stage. We had seen the guy post his Go Pro on the road and climb up one meter in the embankment, " testifies for the DH Romain. "We all shouted at him and told him not to stay there. It was thought that after two cars he would realize that he was badly put ... When Paddon arrived, the car slipped, squatted before the left and tapped the slope. The guy was broke, crushed by the car before flying and dropping his head down on the road. A firefighter on site as a spectator tried to do a cardiac massage. He still had a pulse for a minute and then nothing. Relief took an incredible amount of time to arrive. We were a mile from the finish but they did not want to get the ambulance up since the finish. She had to come in the direction of the special, probably from the start. We stayed more than twenty minutes waiting for the ambulance. The guy had been dead for a long time even though the firefighter told us he had to massage until the doctors arrived and could not officially say he had died. We talked with John Kennard, Paddon's crew, and he could not get over the slowness of the relief. It's just that. That said, it would not have changed for him. It is sad, especially for the rally because we will say that the new WRC are dangerous, that we returned to the era of Group B, while this has nothing to have. It's just a beast out of a pilot on an ice sheet
Could be bad translation but if he had pulse and someone did CPR on him, that person likely killed him...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Live pics
https://t.co/Yl6z0yhs4a

[kirungi okwogera]

Neuville -2,4 from Ogier

Anyone know what is going on with SS1? Notional times? What do they do usually in cases like this with only 2 genuine stage times?

[er88]

Neuville doing well

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[dimviii]

Hayden Paddon ‏@HaydenPaddon 37s
37 seconds ago

Not the way we wanted to start - caught out by black ice near the end of the stage. The car snapped sideways and then we were a passenger.
Not so much damage to the car but sorry for the team who put in so much work to get here

[EightGear]

Get a grip!! There is no way an official media outlet such as WRC.COM could report a death without official confirmation.
I understand all that but they are basically ignoring everything.

[nafpaktos]

From paddoms fd NOW
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1194668610568926&id=184390891596708

[er88]

Hayden Paddon ‏@HaydenPaddon 37s
37 seconds ago

Not the way we wanted to start - caught out by black ice near the end of the stage. The car snapped sideways and then we were a passenger.
Not so much damage to the car but sorry for the team who put in so much work to get here
Bit weird that?

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[kirungi okwogera]

Hayden Paddon ‏@HaydenPaddon 37s
37 seconds ago

Not the way we wanted to start - caught out by black ice near the end of the stage. The car snapped sideways and then we were a passenger.
Not so much damage to the car but sorry for the team who put in so much work to get here

Again before anybody says this is senseless, whether he knows for sure if the spectator died, nobody wants family to find out through public coverage. Next of kin should be found and informed first.

[car]

I understand all that but they are basically ignoring everything.\

What would you expect them to say at this point without anything official?

[GigiGalliNo1]

No death in the incident.

[Sulland]

Any split times that works somewhere?

[kirungi okwogera]

No death in the incident.

I hope you're right but you say some wild stuff sometimes. How are you sure?

[er88]

Where can I follow accurate splits? I'm having trouble unfortunately

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[Roy]

WRC is just fucking this all up so bad. Eye witnesses say the guy was dead a minute after the crash, yet all we're hearing is "We will let you know more once we know more."

Pathetic.

If he is died. The family needs informed first. After that official statement can come out. Don't blame WRC information.

[er88]

Again before anybody says this is senseless, whether he knows for sure if the spectator died, nobody wants family to find out through public coverage. Next of kin should be found and informed first.
He shouldn't have posted anything full stop

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[MrJan]

Latvala well down

[BigWorm]

I'm using the WRC App for splits, seems to work fine for me.

[N.O.T]

I think all that needed to be said about the incident has been said, fatal or not we have a rally to follow... so back to the action.

[steve.mandzij]

Latvala well down
Wonder if it's him backing down or everyone else pushing harder, considering how well he'd been doing on SS1.

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[Fast Eddie WRC]

Where can I follow accurate splits? I'm having trouble unfortunately

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http://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/livecenter/page/4175----.html

[bt52b]

WRC is just fucking this all up so bad. Eye witnesses say the guy was dead a minute after the crash, yet all we're hearing is "We will let you know more once we know more."

Pathetic.

How can you post something so dumb and intensive.

Until the Police, Hospital or Rally Officials make announcement, no speculation should be posted.

The family and friends of the individuals evolved in the incident are the only ones that matter, can you not show a little bit of respect for them.

Moderators should delete all the stupid posts are the crash.

[wwbroe]

Ogier is trough

[N.O.T]

Wonder if it's him backing down or everyone else pushing harder, considering how well he'd been doing on SS1.

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define well... he was the slowest of the drivers up to that point....

[RAS007]

No death in the incident.

Which probably means the opposite, coming from you.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

I thought Neuville looked quick at the start of SS1... he is again on 2 !

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2kUIuBWQAQvG1l.jpg

[steve.mandzij]

define well... he was the slowest of the drivers up to that point....
Well yeah, but he wasn't too far down, he is in an apparently worse car than everyone else and tarmac isn't even his strong point.

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[HarriK]

Neuville -7,8sec at the stage finish.

[BigWorm]

Still waiting for those first Citroën splits...

[Franky]

Moderators should delete all the stupid posts are the crash.

Yes, more censorship!

[N.O.T]

Nice time by Neuville... lets see.

[jparker]

I'm using the WRC App for splits, seems to work fine for me.

Same for me. Not only that, there are no delays. In full sync with live radio. I hope they new system in place.

[dimviii]

Latvala +15,2 at 2nd split....

[steve.mandzij]

Same for me. Not only that, there are no delays. In full sync with live radio. I hope they new system in place.
Unfortunately the radio cuts out during the end of stage interviews, but great sync nonetheless.

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[EightGear]

How can you post something so dumb and intensive.

Until the Police, Hospital or Rally Officials make announcement, no speculation should be posted.

The family and friends of the individuals evolved in the incident are the only ones that matter, can you not show a little bit of respect for them.

Moderators should delete all the stupid posts are the crash.
Respect? I have all respect for the people involved. Please don't get me wrong. But how is almost ignoring everything right? It just feels strange everyone is being kept in the dark while the wildest rumours are being spread around.

Paddon's tweets though are a bit strange considering, could be a good sign though. Lets hope so.

Anyway, lets focus on the stage now.

[Morte66]

C'mon Kris. I am depending on you.

[N.O.T]

what is the condition of the stage ? dry ?

[BigWorm]

Not a very convincing first split by Meeke

[kirungi okwogera]

Seems like it must be a spin from Latvala... or a tyre difference?

[Mintexmemory]

Yes, more censorship!

I just appeal to all forum members to stay respectful and calm in what is a sad and emotional situation.
Better to say little and consider much at this time.

[Bartek]

what is the condition of the stage ? dry ?

Yes, with some black ice but mostly dry If I heard right

[wwbroe]

what is the condition of the stage ? dry ?

Ogier was saying it was quite dirty

[jparker]

what is the condition of the stage ? dry ?

Thy guy from the radio said it's dry, only few patches of ice at the end.

[N.O.T]

I think everyone will try and finish the day without risking much, i do not think these times or the monte times in general this year will be representative of what will follow..

[BigWorm]

Seems like it must be a spin from Latvala... or a tyre difference?

Sordo well off too.

[dimviii]

Ogier while starting first,found gravel on road.

Sébastien Ogier ‏@SebOgier 27s
27 seconds ago

"Happy to be safely through. Starting Monte-Carlo by night is always tricky. A bit of gravel on surface, but not a bad stage. No problem"

[steve.mandzij]

Seems like it must be a spin from Latvala... or a tyre difference?
Perhaps Paddon's crash got to him and made him go really cautiously.

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[Allez Andruet]

Seems like it must be a spin from Latvala... or a tyre difference?

I think it was mentioned that Latvala has different tyre choice than the rest of WRC crews.

[HarriK]

JML +28,4 sec at the stage finish (to Neuville). Done last split very well.

[mousti]

I think it was mentioned that Latvala has different tyre choice than the rest of WRC crews.

Only Sordo had other tyres I thought..

[steve.mandzij]

Latvala seems to have picked up the pace near the end.

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[EightGear]

Lefebvre stopped.

[stefanvv]

I think it was mentioned that Latvala has different tyre choice than the rest of WRC crews.

I believe he is on softs, good choice for the 1st stage, not so much for this.

[Moriarty]

Why Evans start after WRC2 cars (according wrc.com live split staring order)?

[MrJan]

Lefebvre stopped apparently.

Meeke looking decent and Tanak not too bad compared to Ogier. Neuville in a different league so far.

[BigWorm]

I think it was mentioned that Latvala has different tyre choice than the rest of WRC crews.

Tyre info from Michelin Twitter
Lefebvre/Hanninen: 6 Michelin Pilot Sport Super Soft 5 (SS5)
Latvala: 4S5 + 2SS5
Sordo: 5S5
Ogier: 4 Michelin Pilot Sport Super Soft 5 (SS5) + 1 Soft (S5)
Tanak/Breen/Neuville/Paddon: 5 SS5
Meeke: 3SS5 +3S5

Toyota and Citroën drivers(minus Breen) carrying a spare tyre

[AL14]

I give up with this people.
Why the hell the new interface of the website is so stupid?
You go to wrc radio but you can open at the same time the split times page. If you attempt to open it in another tab it doesn't work because it is on javascript. So you have to stop the radio and open the page of the splits.
Nonsense.
It's a shame that there are so many unemployed and skilled people and these guys are getting a good salary.

[dupanton]

Lefebvre crashed and retired?

[rage82]

Hey guys post the splits please not only comments. Very bad network coverage at the stage cant see any splits

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[Fast Eddie WRC]

I give up with this people.
Why the hell the new interface of the website is so stupid?
You go to wrc radio but you can open at the same time the split times page. If you attempt to open it in another tab it doesn't work because it is on javascript. So you have to stop the radio and open the page of the splits.
Nonsense.
It's a shame that there are so many unemployed and skilled people and these guys are getting a good salary.

Radio is 'built-in' to the dashboard now.

[N.O.T]

You go to wrc radio...

be reasonable and do not go there and you will not have problems...

why put plebs into your life brother ???

[er88]

Lefebvre stopped.
Crash or mechanical? Can't believe they didn't go for Andreas nonetheless

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[EstWRC]

dman Tänak not so good as first stage, but ok, long way to go, it seems it is getting worse for the back starters?

[steve.mandzij]

I give up with this people.
Why the hell the new interface of the website is so stupid?
You go to wrc radio but you can open at the same time the split times page. If you attempt to open it in another tab it doesn't work because it is on javascript. So you have to stop the radio and open the page of the splits.
Nonsense.
It's a shame that there are so many unemployed and skilled people and these guys are getting a good salary.
Can't you just open up another tab?

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[tc10a]

Mikkelsen starting late?

[N.O.T]

Hey guys post the splits please not only comments. Very bad network coverage at the stage cant see any splits

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no we won't.... it will fill the page with info that 99.9% of people get.

[MrJan]

I give up with this people.
Why the hell the new interface of the website is so stupid?
You go to wrc radio but you can open at the same time the split times page. If you attempt to open it in another tab it doesn't work because it is on javascript. So you have to stop the radio and open the page of the splits.
Nonsense.
It's a shame that there are so many unemployed and skilled people and these guys are getting a good salary.

Duplicate the tab.

Official statement now out.

Jari Matti must have had a demon last sector, made up 6 seconds on Sordo.

[kirungi okwogera]

Is wrc.com right that Hanninen in a WRC is running in the middle of the WRC2 order?

[stefanvv]

I give up with this people.
Why the hell the new interface of the website is so stupid?
You go to wrc radio but you can open at the same time the split times page. If you attempt to open it in another tab it doesn't work because it is on javascript. So you have to stop the radio and open the page of the splits.
Nonsense.
It's a shame that there are so many unemployed and skilled people and these guys are getting a good salary.

You can start the radio from splits page.

[dimviii]

I give up with this people.
Why the hell the new interface of the website is so stupid?
You go to wrc radio but you can open at the same time the split times page. If you attempt to open it in another tab it doesn't work because it is on javascript. So you have to stop the radio and open the page of the splits.
Nonsense.
It's a shame that there are so many unemployed and skilled people and these guys are getting a good salary.

useless sick dogs

[EstWRC]

what the hell did Neuville eat? just class of his own

[MrJan]

Meeke quicker than Ogier by a pube hair, he's gotta be please with that?

Edit: Read the wrong split

[dupanton]

Neuville flying :D

[A FONDO]

I give up with this people.
Why the hell the new interface of the website is so stupid?
You go to wrc radio but you can open at the same time the split times page. If you attempt to open it in another tab it doesn't work because it is on javascript. So you have to stop the radio and open the page of the splits.
Nonsense.
It's a shame that there are so many unemployed and skilled people and these guys are getting a good salary.

http://hostthenpost.org/uploads/967050753518f7b9f8555694a96c6e85.jpg

[KKS]

I give up with this people.
Why the hell the new interface of the website is so stupid?
You go to wrc radio but you can open at the same time the split times page. If you attempt to open it in another tab it doesn't work because it is on javascript. So you have to stop the radio and open the page of the splits.
Nonsense.
It's a shame that there are so many unemployed and skilled people and these guys are getting a good salary.
now it's all in one window. try this. very useful!
http://i.piccy.info/i9/8edf6257de31491722e506e122c96aa9/1484866219/138040/1052502/wrr.jpg

[Morte66]

No split time showing for Breen at http://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/livecenter/page/4175----.html though it looks like he should be underway.

Can anyone explain why that is?

[I like rally, but sometimes it completely mystifies me.]

[EightGear]

Is wrc.com right that Hanninen in a WRC is running in the middle of the WRC2 order?
Looks like it is messed up a bit, Evans and Mikkelsen are low in the order as well.

Live maps arent working for me now so cant check.

[Mintexmemory]

Meeke quicker than Ogier by a pube hair, he's gotta be please with that?

I'm seeing 8 seconds slower!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Glad my judgement is still there, I thought Neuville looked really quick on SS1 on TV. He is different class tonight.

[EightGear]

Decent time by Breen.

[N.O.T]

Breen faster than sordo and Latvala... nice.

[EstWRC]

what a time by Breen

[AL14]

Lol, I was wrong. It works nice like this actually. :D
Didn't notice the widget!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Breen is the future.

[dimviii]

Citroën Racing ‏@CitroenRacing 2m
2 minutes ago

#WRC #RAMC2017 SS2
@SLefebvreRallye is stopped in the stage with a mechanical issue. More to come...

[stefanvv]

Neuville flying :D

Not happy with the car apparently.

[Mintexmemory]

what a time by Breen

So much for the Citroen back up position!

[MrJan]

I'm seeing 8 seconds slower!

Looked at the wrong split :D

Breen a bit quicker than Sordo, guess he may benefit more when there's a bit more snow and ice.

[er88]

Citroen giving the Frenchman the C3 over Breen. LOL.

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[dupanton]

Breen with a very good time! 1s/km slower then Neuville and only 0.38s/km on Meeke!

[jparker]

WRC2 cars are way slower.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Where the hell is Evans starting ?

[EstWRC]

calm down guys its just the first stage!