Rally Australia 2016

[KiwiWRCfan]

First details of 2016 itinerary have emerged. Full itinerary has not yet been published as I type this.

The 3 areas used on Friday, Saturday & Sunday are the same as they were in 2015. It appears that many stages will have modifications to them

Friday - "Bakers Creek" stage in Taylors Arm area, also "Newry 16" presumably a modified version of Newry stage run in previous years

Saturday - will include "Valla" and "Nambucca" stages which were used on Saturday in 2015

Sunday - "Bucca 16" stage presumably a modified configuration of previous years, will run in morning loop only. "Wedding Bells" stage will run twice once in the morning and then again in afternoon as Power stage. Wedding Bells is expected to be changed from previous years with cars passing the spectator village twice. Power stage is scheduled for 1.08pm local time which should make it live breakfast TV for much of Europe

Super Specials - a middle of day Super Special Stage will occur at "Raleigh Raceway" in middle of day on both Friday and Saturday. Friday & Saturday early evenings will see a return of the "Coffs Jetty" super special in same area as 2011 SSS was held.

[KiwiWRCfan]

RG1 has just been released http://www.rallyaustralia.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/RG1-15-07-16.pdf

[Livewireshock]

Oops, the Nambucca and Valla stages have been left off the overall map but thankfully they are still on the itinerary.

http://www.rallysportmag.com.au/home/images/2016June/RALLYCROSS-TRACK.jpg

Here is an aerial picture of the midday Raceway SSS venue at Raleigh.

[Simmi]

No night stage this year then. Not worth the hassle for anyone involved.

[KiwiWRCfan]

No night stage this year then. Not worth the hassle for anyone involved.
Coffs Jetty Super Special Stage is being run twice on Friday and twice on Saturday at twilight.
First car is 5.08pm on Friday which are televised stages
P1 crews will run in reverse order from 6.38pm
Sunset is at 7.23 pm
First car is 4.50pm on Saturday but no TV
P1 crews will run in reverse order from 6.38pm
I guess we can expect to see light pods being used

[Simmi]

Coffs Jetty Super Special Stage is being run twice on Friday and twice on Saturday at twilight.
First car is 5.08pm on Friday which are televised stages
P1 crews will run in reverse order from 6.38pm
Sunset is at 7.23 pm
First car is 4.50pm on Saturday but no TV
P1 crews will run in reverse order from 6.38pm
I guess we can expect to see light pods being used

Yeah but at least this time we won't see irate drivers - given it's a super special stage where the dust and danger isn't the same.

[6789]

Shakedown is north of Coffs this year. Similar area as the stages used on Sunday

[6789]

A friend drove the shakedown stage earlier in this week - reports are that the road is very rough with trees down after recent wet weather.

[jbmarcus21]

@RallyAustralia Google Earth Map 2016 (made in @dim_ISAM "Twitter" ) is now online ➡️ http://bit.ly/2cK0asw

[BigWorm]

Wonder how Hyundai will line up. Sordo has to be in the main team because he has only started 9 events(including GB) in the main team, because China was cancelled, and since he's their nominated driver he must start at least 10. Surely Paddon was promised the main team in Australia, but would you drop Neuville to the second team when he's the best performer for Hyundai at the moment? The constructors champion will probably be crowned in GB but I still wonder.

Hyundai must be relieved there will be a new point scoring system for manufacturers next year....

[Zeakiwi]

Could Hyundai ask for a dispensation from the FIA for Sordo to do less events in the main team after asking the other teams if it is ok?

[6789]

My guess is that they'll put Hayden in #20 and let him attack on the first two days to try and win the event. Not long now.

[GigiGalliNo1]

Sordo confirmed for car#20 at Rally Australia.

[BigWorm]

But how? I can only count to 9 events he is driving the main team for.

[pantealex]

But how? I can only count to 9 events he is driving the main team for.

Did you count China ?

It´s 10 with China.

[BigWorm]

Did you count China ?

It´s 10 with China.

Yes but that didn't run?

[Teme]

Btw, entry list is out in official website in excel form

10 WRCs, Lappi and Kopecky for Skoda. That's about it

[itix]

That is the saddest entry list I have ever seen :(
Why are we still running this rally with so many others knocking on our doors?

[GigiGalliNo1]

Exactly

[Mirek]

Lappi and Kopecky for Skoda

These two likely with local Australian cars Škoda normally uses for APRC.

[AndyRAC]

That is the saddest entry list I have ever seen :(
Why are we still running this rally with so many others knocking on our doors?


Exactly!! And they had the nerve to want the final round of the WRC, when they're lucky that they even have a WRC round. It should be NZ, end of; best roads, stages in the world.
The only place Australia should have a WRC round is Perth - anywhere else - No!

[Simmi]

These two likely with local Australian cars Škoda normally uses for APRC.

And I guess Skoda will probably pull these entries if the championship gets decided in Wales.

[Mirek]

And I guess Skoda will probably pull these entries if the championship gets decided in Wales.

Quite likely so...

[BigWorm]

But would the entry list for NZ be much different? I don't think so.

[Simmi]

But would the entry list for NZ be much different? I don't think so.

Maybe not too much different. But I think the general feeling is you can overlook a poor entry if you're on fantastic roads. That said, there aren't too many drivers who are desperate to go and do Rally Australia in its current iteration. New Zealand might tempt a few more to make the journey.

[BigWorm]

Maybe not too much different. But I think the general feeling is you can overlook a poor entry if you're on fantastic roads. That said, there aren't too many drivers who are desperate to go and do Rally Australia in its current iteration. New Zealand might tempt a few more to make the journey.

But I don't think that's enough for that to happen. It's just too expensive for privateers/smaller teams to be there, even if the stages are "better". The type of stages won't change anything unless you can afford it.

[tommeke_B]

I'm dreaming of a comeback of New Zealand and would most likely make the trip. Sure there are some drivers who can afford it who are waiting to do it. ;)

[Mk2 RS2000]

Unlike some people in high places in Australia, New Zealand isn't stupid enough to want to hold a final round of any championship.

[Grundo Farb]

I'm dreaming of a comeback of New Zealand and would most likely make the trip. Sure there are some drivers who can afford it who are waiting to do it. ;)

Remember which rallies were on the bucket list of some drivers? Valentino Rossi came there especially as the roads are amazing. Last iteration in 2012 had all the privateers there when there were only two official teams. Manfred Stohl, Henning Sohlberg, Ken Block. Same number of WRC cars as Wales Rally GB.

They also ran the Possum Bourne Memorial rally with a bunch of classic cars - made the actual field very large. With AP4 now in New Zealand it would be a great field.

There are Australians who are building AP4 cars not to run in Australia but in NZ. The events are better, the competition is better and the roads are better...

[electroliquid]

I'm literallay live in other side of the World from New Zealand, but I hope to see NZ WRC rally one day, not Australia, not Mexico, not Argentina...

[Lundefaret]

Rally New Zealand has a great history, great roads, and a great driver promoting it.
On top of that rallying is gathering momentum in NZ with a huge number of factory and semi factory entries in the AP4 class.
It would be the logical event in that region.
If its run I would bet that big starts like Valentino Rossi and Ken Block, and privateers like Henning Solberg etc would run it - because of the great roads and great atmosphere.

[Kobbsno10]

Hi Guys

Anyone know where the best spectator spots will be? I'm assuming it will be the same as last time. I'll be heading there on the Saturday and Sunday, my first rally!

[ZoomanSP206]

Anyone know where the best spectator spots will be? I'm assuming it will be the same as last time. I'll be heading there on the Saturday and Sunday, my first rally!
I've only been to Rally Australia once, last year, so my experience is limited. But I liked the places I went to: Talarm Hall for Saturday on SS12/15, and Flooded Gums for Sunday on SS21/23.

Talarm Hall offers a few different options to place yourself. When you have a look at the spectator guide map from the official rally website, I liked the spot in the lower left corner of the left spectator area. You can see the cars arriving for a few corners in the distance, and then they will pass close by you, cutting the right hander while transitioning onto tarmac.

For Flooded Gums, I liked the first jump (the one further south on the map, closer to the water splash); depending on your exact spot, you can see the cars already in the fast right hander before they climb the hill and pass over the jump. I watched a few of the historic cars at the water splash, but didn't find it so impressive; mainly because you're standing a bit further away, and there are only few spots where you can see straight towards the water splash.

Especially on Sunday, it is important to be early to be able to pick a nice spot. Last year, we had to park a bit further away and take the organisation's shuttle bus to the spectator area. If that's the case again this year, try to be at the parking as soon as they open it and start the shuttle bus service. If not, I'd suggest to be at your chosen site 2h before the first car, and based on last year's attendance, maybe even earlier for the Flooded Gums on Sunday.

Enjoy your rally!

[Kobbsno10]

I've only been to Rally Australia once, last year, so my experience is limited. But I liked the places I went to: Talarm Hall for Saturday on SS12/15, and Flooded Gums for Sunday on SS21/23.

Talarm Hall offers a few different options to place yourself. When you have a look at the spectator guide map from the official rally website, I liked the spot in the lower left corner of the left spectator area. You can see the cars arriving for a few corners in the distance, and then they will pass close by you, cutting the right hander while transitioning onto tarmac.

For Flooded Gums, I liked the first jump (the one further south on the map, closer to the water splash); depending on your exact spot, you can see the cars already in the fast right hander before they climb the hill and pass over the jump. I watched a few of the historic cars at the water splash, but didn't find it so impressive; mainly because you're standing a bit further away, and there are only few spots where you can see straight towards the water splash.

Especially on Sunday, it is important to be early to be able to pick a nice spot. Last year, we had to park a bit further away and take the organisation's shuttle bus to the spectator area. If that's the case again this year, try to be at the parking as soon as they open it and start the shuttle bus service. If not, I'd suggest to be at your chosen site 2h before the first car, and based on last year's attendance, maybe even earlier for the Flooded Gums on Sunday.

Enjoy your rally!

Thanks man, I'll make sure to get down there early Sunday morning:burnout:

[dimviii]

RallySport Mag ‏@RallySportMag · 4h4 hours ago

Esapekka Lappi will now be Skoda’s sole entry in Rally Australia after Skoda withdrew Jan Kopecky’s entry. http://www.rallysportmag.com.au/home/wrc/10943-skoda-cancels-kopecky-s-australia-entry …

[raybak]

Going to be a hot rally. Over 30 degrees each day. Plenty of snakes to watch out if spectating. If you are coming from overseas to spectate make sure you have long pants and covered in shoes.

Ray

[sollitt]

If snakes are a problem, be prepared with an Aspivenin kit. Good for mosquito also

[raybak]

If snakes are a problem, be prepared with an Aspivenin kit. Good for mosquito also

I had a Brown snake on my back path only a few days ago, usually don't see them until late December but have had quite a few warm days already. Coffs is a lot hotter than my place in Canberra. The snakes here are deadly, so don't mess with them.

Ray

[Rallyper]

I had a Brown snake on my back path only a few days ago, usually don't see them until late December but have had quite a few warm days already. Coffs is a lot hotter than my place in Canberra. The snakes here are deadly, so don't mess with them.

Ray

Get us back Rally NZ.

[Zeakiwi]

Watch out for the spiders in the portable toilets too.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/28/unluckiest-man-in-australia-bitten-on-the-penis-by-a-spider-for/
http://snakeprotex.com.au/
Snake gaiters (snake boots etc)are worth considering if you are a frequent visitor to snake environments.

[sollitt]

I had a Brown snake on my back path only a few days ago, usually don't see them until late December but have had quite a few warm days already. Coffs is a lot hotter than my place in Canberra. The snakes here are deadly, so don't mess with them.

Ray

Not suggesting anyone mess with the snakes Ray ... rather that they take the right gear with them.

[Maui J.]

Hayden needs to use 'No snakes, no deadly spiders here' in his 'Bring Back Rally NZ' campaign.

[dimviii]

some photos from Australiafrom Timo Anis

https://scontent.fath2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15078583_1168404796572754_860907261275576305_n.jpg ?oh=20ce112c7ba16cc40a223aa05eab7092&oe=588F793F

https://scontent.fath2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15078583_1168404796572754_860907261275576305_n.jpg ?oh=20ce112c7ba16cc40a223aa05eab7092&oe=588F793F

[raybak]

Word out there after recce is that there is a lot more loose gravel on the stages. Road position will be very important.

Ray

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Testing showed a lot of dust ... will be a real problem on the first pass.

[tommeke_B]

Testing showed a lot of dust ... will be a real problem on the first pass.

Depends on the time there will be between cars. With such small amount of cars they can leave huge gaps. I remember in Sardinia in 2009 there were 4 minutes between WRC cars (3 minutes between others). It was quite boring for spectators... ;)

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Depends on the time there will be between cars. With such small amount of cars they can leave huge gaps. I remember in Sardinia in 2009 there were 4 minutes between WRC cars (3 minutes between others). It was quite boring for spectators... ;)

It hangs in the trees though so wont clear in a few minutes...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Ostberg: 'Quite technical stages at recce today, and difficult with the dust...' https://t.co/nCw4lyHNnG

[GigiGalliNo1]

Very rough stages out there this year, they'll be going through some tires I say! Good luck to DMACK.

[EstWRC]

first pass

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CxagspqXAAIrwA0.jpg

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CxaicpkXUAcCy1F.jpg

[EstWRC]

second pass

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CxamSbeXUAAd3_o.jpg

[dimviii]

plenty of clips from shakedown
https://twitter.com/RallyingUK


https://scontent-bru2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/15122946_10209874344109986_2914723166184189287_o.j pg

[dimviii]

Latvala on problem,slow time at 3rd pass

[EstWRC]

huuuuge cleaning effect...Ogier 3.01.5 third time...11 secs faster than first time.

[EstWRC]

third pass

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CxatEJWXUAAWH71.jpg

[KKS]

huuuuge cleaning effect...Ogier 3.01.5 third time...11 secs faster than first time.
on such gravel - it's just shakedown. Cleaning effect can be much less if other are so different as this one.

[EstWRC]

some drivers doing 4th run

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CxawLWGXgAABDaR.jpg

[EstWRC]

shakedown highlights https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hocxwdbgZOs

[Grundo Farb]

Basically nothing between the top 5 on that list other than what will happen with road order.

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CxbyAoqWgAAHCop.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CxbyBrWWQAASYsC.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CxbyClwWQAAug2J.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CxbyDRLWQAAeBT8.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cxb66z_UoAAA6F-.jpg:large

[N.O.T]

Nice to see there are some actual rally photographers out there.

[AL14]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CxbyAoqWgAAHCop.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CxbyBrWWQAASYsC.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CxbyClwWQAAug2J.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CxbyDRLWQAAeBT8.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cxb66z_UoAAA6F-.jpg:large

The last one is one of the best of 2016. very very nice who is he? Tanak?
EDIT: Yeah is Ott. Nice one.

[Simmi]

How many shots of kangaroos and surfers do you need before people click we're in Australia?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWjQneJPM3M

[Fast Eddie WRC]

WRC.com

Ogier was first into the stage and had a taste of things to come when he opens the roads for the first two legs on Friday and Saturday. The loose gravel was deep and the Frenchman’s quickest time was more than 11sec faster than his opening effort on unused roads.

“It’s such an incredible cleaning effect we have seen this morning,” he said. “By our calculations it is between 0.2sec - 0.3sec per car per kilometre faster. It’s always difficult here but during the recce a lot of people said it was even worse than previous years. I didn’t expect so much.”

Even Monday night’s massive rainstorm in the host town of Coffs Harbour offered no respite for the early starters.

“When we started the recce on Tuesday morning I never saw any marks of humidity anywhere. It is completely dry and dusty,” Ogier added.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cxc-IdsXUAAchjb.jpg:large

[stefanvv]

wrc video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZVvA_qLrRc

[GigiGalliNo1]

Who shot them better?

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161117/fe0d97910233d4706926528739c7c80f.jpg

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161117/00f4da044c5b99f13edd81232f421372.jpg

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161117/242d83a839a024bf619c26725f148de0.jpg

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161117/583016191f0d4975718bc6807ff6308d.jpg

[N.O.T]

Who shot them better?

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161117/fe0d97910233d4706926528739c7c80f.jpg

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161117/00f4da044c5b99f13edd81232f421372.jpg

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161117/242d83a839a024bf619c26725f148de0.jpg

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161117/583016191f0d4975718bc6807ff6308d.jpg

the other guy, but yours are good as well.

Visit some hairpins tomorrow, make your fellow useless pro photographers proud.

[Lundefaret]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CxbyAoqWgAAHCop.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CxbyBrWWQAASYsC.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CxbyClwWQAAug2J.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CxbyDRLWQAAeBT8.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cxb66z_UoAAA6F-.jpg:large

Some incredible rally photos! The one with Tänak jumping sideways was especially awsome. Hayden should make posters of the one with him - wow!
This is the imagery that is needed to sell the sport, not those flower photos!

[PLuto]

Start list to the first leg is available: https://rally-base.com/2016/rally-australia-2016/start-list/?startTimeTypeId=729

[bluuford]

Weather:

So, Like you see from photos, rain is not very likely ;)
Morning today will be a bit cool and almost calm. But luckily first 2 stages are in relatively open landscape, maybe only a few hundred meters at the end of SS1 is in the shade. and short sections on the second stage. Wind should be OK for third stage already :) Temperature in the morning nice, around 20..23 degrees and by noon it will be 26.. 28 degrees. However, road is not so abrasive as in Mediterranean rallies, should be better for DMack.. and rally is faster. and some later stages are completely under the forrest, so, road is not so hot.

[traxx]

https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15094908_1026805627445331_2662426887159770813_n.jp g?oh=3df229773d542276f07697d9ea450ef6&oe=58C006F3
With the credit... Cause I love it !

[EstWRC]

yeah nice photo, Tänak also added it to his facebook.

Top3 shakedown conference https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAzCfbLjTWI

[EstWRC]

VW orders their drivers to go for the win https://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/127164/vw-orders-drivers-to-bow-out-with-a-win


Asked if he thought his DMACK tyres would cope with the heat, hard surface and long stages, he replied: "They're as black and as round as the others. Why not?"


lol, typical Tänak

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Video from those jumps: https://youtu.be/I9y_UJ7X_mc

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CxdZPLuUsAAnDg6.jpg:large

[Gregor-y]

VW orders their drivers to go for the win https://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/127164/vw-orders-drivers-to-bow-out-with-a-win

"One for the podium and into a museum/collection, but please wreck the other two so we don't have to take criticism when all the other cars from the rally program are destroyed."

[drive]

Dmacks were ok in Poland, very hot was there

[itix]

Nice to see there are some actual rally photographers out there.

I believe they are all taken by @world, the ones you criticize constantly. Funny how quickly things change in "god"-world... one day vw s not going anywhere, the next day they are... one day a photographer is the burnt bottom of the failed dish in the saucepan, the next day, same photographer is an "actual rally photographer".

Can't be easy to speak in absolutes all the time when you are wrong so often.

[stefanvv]

I believe they are all taken by @world, the ones you criticize constantly. Funny how quickly things change in "god"-world... one day vw s not going anywhere, the next day they are... one day a photographer is the burnt bottom of the failed dish in the saucepan, the next day, same photographer is an "actual rally photographer".

Can't be easy to speak in absolutes all the time when you are wrong so often.

Dare to imagine what will happen with Toyoda's project?

[Franky]

I believe they are all taken by @world, the ones you criticize constantly. Funny how quickly things change in "god"-world... one day vw s not going anywhere, the next day they are... one day a photographer is the burnt bottom of the failed dish in the saucepan, the next day, same photographer is an "actual rally photographer".

Can't be easy to speak in absolutes all the time when you are wrong so often.

I think it's with many art professions (if we may call them so) that you are exactly as good as is your last work.

[itix]

Sure... and while I agree that the flower pics are stupid, I do believe they take good photos every now and then. They have an eye for good motives, it is just that flowers are not relevant to the rally audience.

I just thought it was funny that N.O.T. is so inconsistent and yet speak in absolutes all the time.

[stefanvv]

it is just that flowers are not relevant to the rally audience.

Of course they aren't relevant. But they're part of the art of photography I guess. Are You photographer?

[itix]

Of course they aren't relevant. But they're part of the art of photography I guess. Are You photographer?

As a hobby, and not a very good one at all...

[dimviii]

are we ready?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CxfTyoGUUAAs5QY.jpg

[danon]

https://media.giphy.com/media/26gJyboClkt5Uayru/source.gif

[Mk2 RS2000]

At last, an event one can follow without having to sit up all night long

[dimviii]

Michelin Motorsport ‏@Michelin_Sport · 10m10 minutes ago


#tyre info:
Paddon: 3 Michelin LTX Force S4 +2H
Sordo/Neuville/Volkswagen/M-Sport: 5S
#RallyAustralia #WRC

[danon]

https://video.fsof2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t43.1792-2/11820838_519508764896959_47337083_n.mp4?efg=eyJybH IiOjE1MjQsInJsYSI6MTAyNCwidmVuY29kZV90YWciOiJoZCJ9&rl=1524&vabr=1016&oh=c126da4672e91b98a5a6ebe82113dcbe&oe=582E516F

[KKS]

wrc+ have a reversed stage )
http://i.piccy.info/i9/4eb5d3810b0a93a7788f7b7d83294f6b/1479416059/119648/1052502/rally_australia.jpg

[Maui J.]

Bec just said what I was about to write. It's nice to listen to Rally Radio during the day for a change.

Go Hayden!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

No splits, too short a stage I guess...

[dimviii]

Neuville clip from stage,probably they will upload more.
https://twitter.com/RallyingUK

[dimviii]

No splits, too short a stage I guess...



no they are just useless.

[EstWRC]

pointless to have a split for 7km stage...

[dimviii]

pointless to have a split for 7km stage...

its not pointless,this stage at 2nd half was more tight,its good to see who is driving better at twistier roads,or to see where Ogier is loosing more while cleaning the road.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Latvala already dropped it...

[skarderud]

Latvala lost 27 sec already?

Sent fra min XP7700 via Tapatalk

[Eric]

Broken suspension :rolleyes:

[dimviii]

Latvala went wide.....

[EightGear]

Broken suspension, went wide.

[danon]

Bec just said what I was about to write. It's nice to listen to Rally Radio during the day for a change.

Go Hayden!

http://i.giphy.com/3oz8xTICKgY9kWsAsE.gif

[N.O.T]

It will be a travesty if toyota pick latvala instead of Mikkelsen.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Jari-Matti Latvala ‏@JariMattiWRC
SS1 "We have a broken suspension. It's my mistake, I went wide over the bridge"

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Others are taking time over Ogier on SS2...

[Eric]

It will be a travesty if toyota pick latvala instead of Mikkelsen.

Agree.. Really hoping Latvala will find a seat in 2017, but toyota cannot pick him instead of young Mikkelsen

[stefanvv]

Agree.. Really hoping Latvala will find a seat in 2017, but toyota cannot pick him instead of young Mikkelsen

Latvala isn't old either

[Fast Eddie WRC]

SS1
Mikkelsen
Tanak+1.3
Paddon+1.4
Ostberg+1.4
Sordo+1.8
Ogier+4.4
Neuville+5.6
Latvala+27.4

[stefanvv]

Neuville is driving just to finish. Mikkelsen seems very committed.

[N.O.T]

SS1
Mikkelsen
Tanak+1.3
Paddon+1.4
Ostberg+1.4
Sordo+1.8
Ogier+4.4
Neuville+5.6
Latvala+27.4

why you feel the need to post something that everyone watches live and knows about?

[Eric]

Latvala isn't old either

Latvala isn't old but Mikkelsen is younger. And this year he has shown he is a better driver aswell. Both of them should have a seat but if there is only room for one, toyota should pick Mikkelsen

[N.O.T]

huge time loses for Ogier on stage 2 so far.

[EstWRC]

Mikkelsen is next, Ogier will be the only VW to get to the finish in the end i think

[Fast Eddie WRC]

huge time loses for Ogier on stage 2 so far.

Everyone can see that.

[stefanvv]

Latvala isn't old but Mikkelsen is younger. And this year he has shown he is a better driver aswell. Both of them should have a seat but if there is only room for one, toyota should pick Mikkelsen

Agreed, I just pointed out Latvala should be in his "best" years.

[N.O.T]

basic.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Latvala may be better for developing a new car. Just saying.

[Eric]

Thats it for Latvala? First stage.. must to feel sorry for him

[stefanvv]

Latvala may be better for developing a new car. Just saying.

He is, but the car is already developed, no?

[skarderud]

Latvala may be better for developing a new car. Just saying.
I've actually thinked about this, Who is the better development drive of latvala and Mikkelsen? Noone knows?

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[Fast Eddie WRC]

He is, but the car is already developed, no?

Yes, but not by a top WRC driver.

[Jasper]

Thats it for Latvala? First stage.. must to feel sorry for him

Latvala is moving again.

[N.O.T]

He is, but the car is already developed, no?

development is something that never stops, but the only thing that Latvala has that Mikkelsen doesn't is a finnish manager.

[dupanton]

Neuville is driving just to finish.

Lol, 1 stage down and conclusions already :p Neuville is never a fast starter (unfortunately)

[Fast Eddie WRC]

I've actually thinked about this, Who is the better development drive of latvala and Mikkelsen? Noone knows?



I always thought Latvala was a good mechanic and possibly best for the technical development.

[PLuto]

Latvala started later into SS 2, but he is moving.

[N.O.T]

I always thought Latvala was a good mechanic and possibly best for the technical development.

with so many road side repairs he has done on the cars he has recked being a better mechanic is almost certain, but there is no indication he can develop a car better than Mikkelsen.

[stefanvv]

Lol, 1 stage down and conclusions already :p Neuville is never a fast starter (unfortunately)

Well, thats what common sense says beforehand;)

[Mirek]

He is, but the car is already developed, no?

How do You know?


Yes, but not by a top WRC driver.

And that is needed for what? Xsara WRC and C4 were developped mainly by Philippe Bugalski. Focus WRC 06 by Mark Higgins. Polo WRC by Dieter Depping etc.

[stefanvv]

How do You know?

I believe he can test the car limits better.

[dimviii]

I always thought Latvala was a good mechanic and possibly best for the technical development.

no,he always have problems to set uphis cars.Remember how many times he has ''wrong'' set up at first loop?

[BigWorm]

Poor JM, he just get shit shoved to his face this season.

[maciotacio]

I always thought Latvala was a good mechanic and possibly best for the technical development.

I wouldn't be so sure. Just look how many times he went nowhere with his setup in a rally despite plenty of PET. Or that was just an easy excuse to blame sth.

[Eric]

apparently Latvala is not a good "technical man". Some say its always much back and forth with the setup and to often it ends badly. This season may indicate that thats right

[Mirek]

I believe he can test the car limits better.

You don't need that for development of a good car. You need a driver who understands what any particular change do with the car. Very few are able of that and it doesn't always apply that fast guys understand the car, quite the contrary.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Fair points on Latvala and his set-ups..

But his does have huge experience in WRC and rallying in general, even doing events in his old Quattro.

[stefanvv]

Poor JM, he just get shit shoved to his face this season.

I don't think so, he is just "too much determined", to be fair with him on some occasions just the car failed him.

[dimviii]

Tanak lost from 2nd split to finish ,2 sec from 3 different drivers.Seems that dmacks don't keep well after some kms. Lets see at bigger stages.

[stefanvv]

You don't need that for development of a good car. You need a driver who understands what any particular change do with the car. Very few are able of that and it doesn't always apply that fast guys understand the car, quite the contrary.

..... aaaand You think Mikkelsen is better in this?

[N.O.T]

..... aaaand You think Mikkelsen is better in this?

No, there is no indication who is better between the two.

The person who does an assumption has to prove if that assumption is true or not, its how logic works if you are not simple or welsh.

[EstWRC]

Tanak lost from 2nd split to finish ,2 sec from 3 different drivers.Seems that dmacks don't keep well after some kms. Lets see at bigger stages.

this and he said after SS1 the set-up isnt right, rear moving too much

[dimviii]

Fair points on Latvala and his set-ups..

But his does have huge experience in WRC and rallying in general, even doing events in his old Quattro.

Bugalski Higgins didn't had plenty ofwrc experience,but they managed to do the job excellent.

[N.O.T]

Bugalski Higgins didn't had plenty ofwrc experience,but they managed to do the job excellent.

yes, but did they do events in old quattros ? LOL.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Sébastien Ogier ‏@SebOgier 4m4 minutes ago
"I take every risk I could possibly take. At least I try, I have nothing to lose"

Should be good to watch later. :)

[Mirek]

..... aaaand You think Mikkelsen is better in this?

I asked You how do You know that Latvala is better?

[danon]

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/ec/e8/7c/ece87ccd0bb01384609fc4223719559a.jpg

[stefanvv]

I asked You how do You know that Latvala is better?

And I answered, for the protocol.

[EstWRC]

pickems still open? can i change my one?

[dimviii]

Sordo surprisingly faster than Neuville so far

[N.O.T]

Sordo surprisingly faster than Neuville so far

Road position

[Fast Eddie WRC]

So no-one knows who is better for developing the Toyota, but we've given our opinions in favour of Latvala.

Who has an opinion on Mikkelsen being better than Latvala for car development and why ?

[PLuto]

Molly faster than Serderidis ;)

[dimviii]

its not pointless,this stage at 2nd half was more tight,its good to see who is driving better at twistier roads,or to see where Ogier is loosing more while cleaning the road.

Hyundai Motorsport ‏@HMSGOfficial · 8s9 seconds ago

SS3 #Paddon: "When it got twisty we struggled for grip with the hard tyres at the front. It wasn't too bad." #WRC #RallyAustralia

[PLuto]

Sordo surprisingly faster than Neuville so far

(20 - Sordo Dani / Martí Marc): There is a line, but it's not super clean. On the soft tyres there's not so much grip. Hard tyres would have been better, I think.

[skarderud]

So no-one knows who is better for developing the Toyota, but we've given our opinions in favour of Latvala.

Who has an opinion on Mikkelsen being better than Latvala for car development and why ?
Rare, if ever, i've heard him complain about setup? Quite common for latvala.

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[dimviii]

Mads ss2
https://twitter.com/scottyn86

[EstWRC]

damn, shame about this car problem for Tänak, hoped a little more in the morning loop...ok still a long rally to go

[Eric]

So no-one knows who is better for developing the Toyota, but we've given our opinions in favour of Latvala.

Who has an opinion on Mikkelsen being better than Latvala for car development and why ?

I don't think there is a very big difference between latvala and mikkelsen regarding who's best for developing the toyota. I can imagine they both have the experience needed for development. So that leaves us with who is the best driver. And after this season thats pretty clear, its Mikkelsen.

[stefanvv]

And after this season thats pretty clear, its Mikkelsen.

If that's true, the teams would have only one driver for development, so I doubt it, can I?

[Eric]

If that's true, the teams would have only one driver for development, so I doubt it, can I?

huh?

[stefanvv]

huh?

You need explanation for Your post? I can't give it.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

yes, but did they do events in old quattros ? LOL.

We were only comparing with Mikkelsen. Does he rally as his hobby ?

[dimviii]

if these are steel rods,Mads is lucky to escape without problem.

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[skarderud]

We were only comparing with Mikkelsen. Does he rally as his hobby ?
He done rallies in Norway in a skoda s2000 thru the years.

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[N.O.T]

We were only comparing with Mikkelsen. Does he rally as his hobby ?

please put me on your ignore list again, you do not posses the proper intellectual skills to have a discussion with me, you are either 17 or 67 in which both cases you are unable to think properly.

You are all over the place kid. What does having rallying as a hobby has to do with being a good developer ?

go away son.

[dimviii]

small clip with Tanak
https://twitter.com/jameshunter6789

[Eric]

We were only comparing with Mikkelsen. Does he rally as his hobby ?

Cant see why that matters. I think he started rallying when he was 16-17? So that means 10 years behind the wheel. Should be enough..

[Fast Eddie WRC]

please put me on your ignore list again, you do not posses the proper intellectual skills to have a discussion with me, you are either 17 or 67 in which both cases you are unable to think properly.

You are all over the place kid. What does having rallying as a hobby has to do with being a good developer ?

go away son.

You are a diagrace to this forum.

I give you another chance as you insist on commenting on my posts and this is what I get.

You twist everything to try to make a pathetic attempt to appear superior.

[Eric]

paddon 9 sec behind mikkelsen? :confused:

[EstWRC]

a small mistake i reckon, +12 sec in the end

Paddon's hards just not working as i understand. hit the banks etc

[Eric]

a small mistake i reckon, +12 sec in the end

Paddon's hards just not working as i understand. hit the banks etc

Lucky the stage was shortened to 10km.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Paddon - 'A big problem having soft tyres at the rear and hards at the front. I couldn't drive the car straight at all. A few near spins, we hit the banks a few times.'

[dimviii]

Tanak split is very slow.

[dimviii]

Hyundai Motorsport ‏@HMSGOfficial · 2m2 minutes ago

SS4 #Sordo: "No problem in the stage. We checked into the stage 2 minutes late." #WRC #RallyAustralia

[EstWRC]

driving mistake, i saw his speed went 0 and then up again

[Fast Eddie WRC]

driving mistake, i saw his speed went 0 and then up again

Could be tyre-related though...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Tanak spun.. notes issue.

[EstWRC]

and sticking throttle, bye bye victory which i really hoped and i really think it was on but things were wrong for SS1 already with something wrong with the rear


good night

[Fast Eddie WRC]

[QUOTE=skarderud;1113899]He done rallies in Norway in a skoda s2000 thru the years.
/QUOTE]

Ok Thanks...

I just mentioned the Quattro as an example of how Latvala eats, drinks and breathes rallying, its his whole life.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

and sticking throttle, bye bye victory which i really hoped and i really think it was on but things were wrong for SS1 already with something wrong with the rear


good night

Shame for Tanak... and also Latvala. The two who had the real road position advantage and they cant take it.

Great loop by Mikkelsen... will be impressing the teams assessing seats for '17.

[BigWorm]

Mikkelsen very impressive so far. The road position doesn't seem to be a factor for the first couple of drivers(Seb and Thierry decent times as well) on Newry but he's still very much flying.

[Toyoda]

Poor loop by Paddon, should be leading with his road position on his "home" rally, more excuses about not being his favoured day...

[janvanvurpa]

Sure... and while I agree that the flower pics are stupid, I do believe they take good photos every now and then. They have an eye for good motives, it is just that flowers are not relevant to the rally audience.

I just thought it was funny that N.O.T. is so inconsistent and yet speak in absolutes all the time.


Similar to this Orange thing with a dead animal on his head we just elected. No man with any brains listens.

[N.O.T]

Similar to this Orange thing with a dead animal on his head we just elected. No man with any brains listens.

you can cry all you want, but he will MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN.

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CxhMAhGUAAALNBJ.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cxgw0J7UoAAbRqZ.jpg


stages1-5
https://youtu.be/191kOfWwzig

[dimviii]

Michelin video day 1
https://youtu.be/im_XxQhBlyQ

[EstWRC]

Mikkelsen, Ogier and Neuville thumbs up...really disappointed with others considering their starting posiitions, ok Camilli is actually doing quite good too.

[andyone]

i thought ss10 and 11 are on WRC+ live. but seems like it is still 1 hr for the live steam huh.. any live stream link thanks

[rallyfiend]

i thought ss10 and 11 are on WRC+ live. but seems like it is still 1 hr for the live steam huh.. any live stream link thanks

The stage is running in reverse order.

WRC cars start at 1830 local time

[raybak]

Live now.

[raybak]

Bertelli stuff up and went wrong direction:)

[raybak]

Tanak late to stage as he was stopped by Police on way to stage.

[EstWRC]

and gets 40 sec penalty for it

[EstWRC]

DMACK Tyres
‏@DMACK_Tyres
Ott was 4 mins late checking into SS10, so 40s time penalties. Without the two mistakes today he would be second!!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cxh90dwXgAA8Bf8.jpg:large

[raybak]

I wreckon he'll get the 40 secs back overnight.

[EstWRC]

i dont think so, have they given it back in the past?

Tänak about his miserable day


Today it was a difficult day in Australian forests. In the morning there was very low grip and therefore we struggled with the setup of the car. We tried different things but we couldn’t solve the problem before service. However until the 4th stage we were in competition for podium until we had a problem with the car, I let it distract myself and made a mistake that cost us many positions.
Second half of the day was already better, although the stages were tricky for tyres, we managed to save them with smooth rhythm.
Tomorrow brings us the monster – 51KM stage!

[raybak]

i dont think so, have they given it back in the past?



Yes have been given time back after doing an incident report. Got held up by the police for over 20 minutes even with my driver being a policeman. Got the time back and probably could have scammed some more.

Ray

[garais22]

It is speeding for Tanak or what?

Gary Boyd ‏@KiwiWRCfan 4h4 hours ago
That was not the first time today Ott Tanak has been stopped by police he was also stopped shortly after SS9 today

[EstWRC]

i dont know at the moment but seeing that Tänak says there is a lot of time to get back tomorrow i assume he wont get these 40 secs back.

[EstWRC]

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[Jasper]

i dont know at the moment but seeing that Tänak says there is a lot of time to get back tomorrow i assume he wont get these 40 secs back.


Facebookpost on Ott his page:

'BIG Cheers to Australian Police from H. PADDON, M. OSTBERG, E. CAMILLI and D. SORDO
Fri 18:51 - SS10: Tanak
Stage complete. Why were you late to start the stage? "Some confusion. I was not speeding," he says.'

I don't understand why he mentions Paddon/Ostberg/Camilli/Sordo. They can't do anything about it... And even without the 40s penalty he would be on the same position (8th)... but a lot closer to them though.

[EstWRC]

that FB site isnt official so i wouldnt trust it so much, this one is official https://www.facebook.com/otttanakfanpage/?fref=ts

[er88]

Maybe Tanak is already feeling the pressure about stepping back upto the main team next season. He was one of the favourites for this rally but has buckled. Fingers crossed he doesn't crumble again next year when he gets his second big break at Msport. He's got the speed but is even more reckless than Meeke.

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[EstWRC]

ah i knew this kind of talk would come up...

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[A FONDO]

Seeing from the pics Ogi can't resist sticking close to the blue oval.


Maybe Tanak is already feeling the pressure about stepping back upto the main team next season. He was one of the favourites for this rally but has buckled. Fingers crossed he doesn't crumble again next year when he gets his second big break at Msport. He's got the speed but is even more reckless than Meeke.

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Very well summed up mate. He's grown up for sure but is it enough?! Only time will tell.

[EstWRC]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CxixAh8XEAAwBaC.jpg

[HenryEST]

Shouldn't they take back that 40s penalty from Tänak, as there was only confusion with police and he didn't do anything wrong himself?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Dont think Tanak will be bothered... look at the length of that big stage today... the DMacks could be in bits.. :(

[raybak]

WRC+ have the stages around the wrong way again today, how hard is it to get it right:(

[dimviii]

WRC+ have the stages around the wrong way again today, how hard is it to get it right:(

too difficult for a sick dog.

Michelin Motorsport ‏@Michelin_Sport · 10m10 minutes ago


#tyre info: Hyundai/Latvala/Camilli: 5 Michelin LTX FORCE H
Ogier: 4S +1H
Mikkelsen/Ostberg: 4H + 1S
#RallyAustralia #wrc

Ogier with soft ones,lets see if he knows something.

[bluuford]

too difficult for a sick dog.

Michelin Motorsport ‏@Michelin_Sport · 10m10 minutes ago


#tyre info: Hyundai/Latvala/Camilli: 5 Michelin LTX FORCE H
Ogier: 4S +1H
Mikkelsen/Ostberg: 4H + 1S
#RallyAustralia #wrc

Ogier with soft ones,lets see if he knows something.


He is first car on the road, loose gravel, so, the only option not to loose too much time. But will be very difficult with long stage. And it is warmer today, so I think, it is not his best choiche..

[raybak]

Having done theses stages, softs are wrong. What we did in 2013 was took 4 hards for the long stage and carried two softs and put them on the front for the next stage. We maintained position on the long stage and won the next stage each time.

Ray

[raybak]

Going to be hot today as well, not good for the softs.

[dimviii]

Paddon good first split.

[bluuford]

I am afraid Paddon is going too fast for the tyres

[dimviii]

small clip with Ogier at ss 12
https://twitter.com/RallyingUK

[EstWRC]

Tanak fastest in first split, i hope he manages his tyres well

[EightGear]

Paddon is going very fast, but Ogier will probably take some time back (or at least limit the loss) towards the end of the stage like he usually does.

[dimviii]

Paddon and Sordo passes
https://twitter.com/AaronBeardIzzy/media

[stefanvv]

small clip with Ogier at ss 12
https://twitter.com/RallyingUK


Paddon and Sordo passes
https://twitter.com/AaronBeardIzzy/media

good people

[dimviii]

at the middle of the stage there is a narrow part,must be between split 3 & 4,only Paddon was faster from Ogier there.

[stefanvv]

Monster stage, monster time by Paddon

[EstWRC]

Cmonn Dmack, hold on!!!

[stefanvv]

Ogier about his skying experience:
Sat 09:01 - SS12: Ogier
There is some panel damage to the front of Ogier's Polo R. "I hit all the poles - have to try and cut everywhere."

[dimviii]

Tanak
https://twitter.com/jameshunter6789

[EstWRC]

a lot of complaining about dust in the end

[dimviii]

Ogier about his skying experience:
Sat 09:01 - SS12: Ogier
There is some panel damage to the front of Ogier's Polo R. "I hit all the poles - have to try and cut everywhere."

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cxk6rt-WEAAWfLc.jpg

[EstWRC]

very good stage from Tänak and Dmack, +14 secs in 50km :)


E: he said he lost the tyre after 10km's, lol

[dimviii]

very good stage from Tänak and Dmack, +14 secs in 50km :)


E: he said he lost the tyre after 10km's, lol

good? he is slower from Ogier.

[raybak]

at the middle of the stage there is a narrow part,must be between split 3 & 4,only Paddon was faster from Ogier there.

This narrow section is where big balls are needed, the perfect line is needed on the crests as the trees are very close. 2nd pass will be thick bulldust through this section.

[EstWRC]

well we all have different expetations , with those tyres i think its a good time, i expected him to suffer a lot

[dimviii]

well we all have different expetations , with those tyres i think its a good time, i expected him to suffer a lot

I was waiting more at these type of stages and his good road position.Probably the tyre isn't up to Michelins pace.

[stefanvv]

Probably the tyre isn't up to Michelins pace.

As we see from the splits. Probably he shouldn't try that hard at stage beginning.

[EstWRC]

how do you know how hard he was trying?

[stefanvv]

because he says so, and splits confirm it:
Sat 09:22 - SS12: Tanak
A terrific start from Ott - up on Paddon at the opening split - but he completes 14sec slower. "I tried to push hard in the beginning but later on it got hot and we lost the tyres. Then it was frustrating but I tried to do my best." Current air temperature at the stage end is 25˚C.

[EstWRC]

ok missed it, tried to push hard ;)

[stefanvv]

Shame on You, Tanak fan:D

[EstWRC]

Paddon +2.6 already in first split...maybe he shouldnt have pushed that hard on previous one!

[stefanvv]

Now Ogier is destroying his tyres:D

[EstWRC]

Neuville said softs will be good for this one...paddon has taken back in second split, +1.2 secs now

[Mirek]

Those softs for Ogier don't look like a wrong choice at all.

[EstWRC]

nope, just a street stage left now and he can get new boots, 4x champion

[Mariusz]

Paddon +2.6 already in first split...maybe he shouldnt have pushed that hard on previous one!

I think Hayden probably paid special attention to Nambucca stage in his preparations for this rally. Now it's just regular fast driving.

[KKS]

classic Sordo
+0.5; +0.4; +2.3

[EstWRC]

what a split by latvala, 5.9 secs up on Ogier in second split

[stefanvv]

I think Hayden probably paid special attention to Nambucca stage in his preparations for this rally. Now it's just regular fast driving.

I think You're right. Nothing to do with the tyres.

[dimviii]

Neuville said softs will be good for this one...paddon has taken back in second split, +1.2 secs now

Paddon took time at the second half because itswith wide roads.First half is narrow and technical. Same as happened at the long one with narrow parts off stage.

Sat 09:42 - Stage info: SS13/SS16
Valla16, 14.84km. A flowing 5.9km section through trees has been introduced at the start of Valla. After turning onto familiar territory, the shire roads become wide and open as they cross farmland, crossing several old wooden bridges. An artificial jump near the finish has been removed this year with a new 800 metre section providing the climax to the stage.

[spiderem]

SAT 10:06 - SS13: LATVALA
A great fastest time from Jari-Matti - who is buzzing with confidence. "That was my comeback. I have been lost for six months but this stage gave me back what I wanted for a long time. I'm being brave, I'm not afraid of anything. No left-foot braking - just flat out." Wow.

Ahaha classic latvala, bet he crashes before the end of the rally.

[EstWRC]

lol at this Latvala story, how many times i have heard it

[dimviii]

wtf? lol

Sat 10:06 - SS13: Latvala
A great fastest time from Jari-Matti. He is 7.8sec quicker than Ogier and buzzing with confidence. "That was my comeback. I have been lost for six months but this stage gave me back what I have wanted for a long time. I'm being brave, I'm not afraid of anything. No left-foot braking - just flat out." Wow.