DYTKO Proto

[Sulland]

The DYTKO Proto cars will be a good candidate for national series, to get successor to the dying N4 class.
With a new price of aprox 50 000 Euro, it can be achiveable for many private drivers, when a R5 is 4 times that.

In what countries have they allowed these prototypes, and how many are sold to date?

[Zeakiwi]

There are 4? Dytko in NZ.
This is one - VW Polo with holinger sequential trans and a standard Mitsi EVO X engine after blowing the 460hp evo X engine.
https://youtu.be/X7yhpwYC9vI

[Sulland]

All Polos or other silhuettes as well?
Have they rallied yet, and if yes what kind of tempo do they get, compared with R5s?

[Rally Power]

Dytkos cars (and other protos like local Ya-Car specials) are authorize in Spain. Amador Vidal was '14 and '15 spanish gravel champion with a Dytko Polo developed by his team (ARVidal). He was able to cope R5's pace on gravel but didn't had a chance against 911's in his few tarmac outings (like the car previous owners, Mantecon and Ramos). An old link of the car before it was used by Vidal on gravel: http://www.rallyes.net/probamos-el-volkswagen-polo-n1/

One other Dytko Polo is now doing Canarias Rally (#76).

[Arnold Triyudho Wardono]

Justin Dowel was driving i20 Proto in ARC 2015.

You can have Polo, Fiesta, i20, Mirage, & 208 bodies on it..

[Zeakiwi]

The 4 Dytko's in NZ are 2 Peugeot 208 and 2 VW Polo.
https://youtu.be/DNB1-Ng4lfc (Malley's 208 at Ruarangi Road)

[Sulland]

Are there other nations that use them as well, how about Poland?

[Arnold Triyudho Wardono]

I wonder if Lancer WRC 04/05 running gear would be compatible..?

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[Sulland]

In what countries have the Dytko Proto been approved for national usage?

[br21]

In what countries have the Dytko Proto been approved for national usage?

I think it's more like you have class for such proto car than having car named "Dytko proto" homologated somewhere for national use. It's different with it than with "R5" Mirage.
It's for sure driving in Poland, Latvia, Lithuania, Australia and New Zealand, USA, Spain, somethng in UK also I think.

[Zeakiwi]

C3 Proto in the snow.
https://www.facebook.com/torskeefilms/videos/1655418911431380/

[Sulland]

I think it's more like you have class for such proto car than having car named "Dytko proto" homologated somewhere for national use. It's different with it than with "R5" Mirage.
It's for sure driving in Poland, Latvia, Lithuania, Australia and New Zealand, USA, Spain, somethng in UK also I think.

Are there safety approvals on them?
How will generically the physical protection in a tubulat frame be compared to a conventional chassis?

[br21]

Those Dytko cars are not tubular chassis. Those are "normal" chassis, modified floors to accomodate evo suspension/drivetrain with other brands "top".

[Sulland]

Ahh, so safety approval by ASN should not be difficult. Has Dytko or ASNs done any generic safety test approvals that could be used by others?

If yes, what country can be asked for good documentation?

[Sulland]

What is happening to the Dytko Proto initiative these days?

Any country that has approved them for national events?

[Jarek Z]

What is happening to the Dytko Proto initiative these days?

Pawel Dytko is trying to organize a series of rally sprints for his proto cars in Poland. It is called PROTO CARS RALLY CHALLENGE and the main prize is a drive in a proto car in Barborka Rally. The official website of the series is here:
http://www.protorally.pl/

The latest car from Dytko's garage is Citroen C3 Proto:
https://www.facebook.com/rallyemag/photos/pcb.10155433152334973/10155433147519973/?type=3&theater

[OldF]

I found this info of the Dytko Mirage http://timeattackmanila.com/motorsports/motorsportnews/dytko-sports-prototype-is-yet-another-insane-mirage-rally-car/

I wonder how is it possible to build a car like this and sell it for 39 000 € which probably include some profit also. With Samsonas sequential gearbox, Brembo brakes, Reiger dampers, Ralliart clutch and exhaust which are, If I understood the article correctly, in addition to the evo 10 donor car. I know the costs are lower in Poland but still.

I found some info about the sequential kit for an evo 10, 10 200 £ which is about 11 310 €. One fourth of the whole selling price for the car.
http://www.eurom-sport.com/samsonas-evo-10-sequential

[ChassisFlex]

I wonder how is it possible to build a car like this and sell it for 39 000 € which probably include some profit also. With Samsonas sequential gearbox, Brembo brakes, Reiger dampers, Ralliart clutch and exhaust which are, If I understood the article correctly, in addition to the evo 10 donor car. I know the costs are lower in Poland but still.


I was told 39k euro got you a car with a stock evo 8/9 drivetrain and Ksport dampers.

[br21]

a lot of bullshit in the article.
sweedish Mirage never had any FIA homologation and can't drive in WRC2 class.
for 40k you can buy Mirage (or any other Dytko proto) bodyshell with standard parts.
Top spec, like in article - Samsonas sequential, Reigers, Brembo brakes, good ECUs, etc makes the price at least two times higher...

[OldF]

Thanks br21 & ChassisFlex

Standard parts make more sense considering the price. I know that the Swedish Mirage don’t have FIA homologation. Hope that at least the price is correct because all the rest seems to be bullshit.

I had a look at http://rallycarsforsale.net/?s=dytko&sa=search&scat=0 and there was a Polo with evo X standard parts for 35 900 € http://rallycarsforsale.net/ads/vw-polo-proto-2/ . The Citroen C3 proto for 19 000 € is as I understand only the bodyshell prepared for evo X parts http://rallycarsforsale.net/ads/citroen-c3-proto-complete-body/

In general does the customer have to supply the evo parts or does Dytko take care of everything.

[br21]

Thanks br21 & ChassisFlex

Standard parts make more sense considering the price. I know that the Swedish Mirage don’t have FIA homologation. Hope that at least the price is correct because all the rest seems to be bullshit.

I had a look at http://rallycarsforsale.net/?s=dytko&sa=search&scat=0 and there was a Polo with evo X standard parts for 35 900 € http://rallycarsforsale.net/ads/vw-polo-proto-2/ . The Citroen C3 proto for 19 000 € is as I understand only the bodyshell prepared for evo X parts http://rallycarsforsale.net/ads/citroen-c3-proto-complete-body/

In general does the customer have to supply the evo parts or does Dytko take care of everything.

cars for sale like above - you are right with prices/specs.

Rest is how you agreed with Dytkos, they can provide all, or just work and rest is from you, etc.

[electroliquid]

Dytko Suzuki Swift Proto https://www.facebook.com/ProtoCars/photos/a.224309127775633.1073741828.224106997795846/849293688610504/?type=3&theater

[liposh]

I thought they are fully focused on Nissan Micra R4. They said they will prepare Micra during winter, so it is about time. At least for some news about that project.

For me it sounds like Mr. Dytko has ADHD :D

[Zeakiwi]

Dytko 'factory' video.
https://youtu.be/y-gFnGEfpFY

[electroliquid]

Not a DYTKO Production, but still Proto car. This time from Latvia:
"Finally, we can officially announce that a new prototype rally car, Ford Fiesta NRC, is currently being built in the Neiksans Rallysport workshop. Its first tests will take place in May of this year. The new #NRC or #NeiksansRallyCar is based on a Ford Fiesta chassis, with a 380 horsepower two-litre turbocharged engine producing 700 Nm of torque. 4 wheel drive, sequential gearbox, active centre diff, and long travel suspension will be combined in a single unique solution – NRC Racing Platform.
“The design and build of this car has definitely begun a new chapter in my own and my team’s history book! I really hope that, a few years from now, this will be a long and special chapter, which is why we decided to go with a personalized name – Neiksans Rally Cars!” comments team principal Maris Neiksans.
“When we began this ambitious project, there was a single goal – to create a rally car whose performance is comparable or even better than of the current R5 class cars. At the same time, keeping the maintenance costs to a significantly lower level. This is no easy task, but 20 years of experience in racing and the knowledge that has been gained in that time made it possible to accept this challenge,” says the optimistic Maris Neiksans.
“This car will really be unique, which is why we decided to call it NRC, or Neiksans Rally Car. Despite bits of the suspension being sourced from rally (WRC and R5) and rallycross cars, lots of parts have been designed by our own engineers. Most of the suspension parts for the Ford Fiesta NRC are produced here in Latvia, under my supervision. With that, we are creating a unique racing car platform, on which you can put the body and engine of any other vehicle – thereby increasing the diversity of cars on the rally stages.
Currently, the car has a nearly finished body shell, a full roll-cage, an adapted body kit, and we are in the process of finalizing the engine, as well as designing and creating the suspension. Even though there is still lots of work on the new car, we have planned an extensive test programme for May, so that our first Neiksans Rally Car is ready to compete in June!” concludes Maris Neiksans.
The new Ford Fiesta NRC will have national homologation, and meet the technical regulations in the Baltic States, Russia, and the United States. Since each Neiksans Rally Car is a unique rally car, built to meet the specifications of a particular customer, it will be possible to create it in various specifications. First customer cars will be ready for the 2019 rally season.

Car specification:
High performance 2 liter turbo engine 380Hp, 700Nm (spec with 34mm restrictor)
5 speed sequential dogbox
Active center diff
Long travel suspension 280mm
R5 / WRC wheel geometry
AP Racing lightweight brake kit
Adjustable floor mounted pedal box
ATL FIA homologated fuel tank
FIA approved roll cage
Lightweight Kevlar body kit
Full Carbon fiber interior"

Info from Neikšans rally sport facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/NeiksansRallysport/?hc_ref=ARS2wJcjTrB8wJtWDuFTlgGO8C9Nz4FgN7VXu74esF kPmxr2u20NUw_59FC1Xt8vWq8

[Rally Power]

The new #NRC or #NeiksansRallyCar is based on a Ford Fiesta chassis, with a 380 horsepower two-litre turbocharged engine producing 700 Nm of torque.


What's the engine base?

[electroliquid]

What's the engine base?

Well, that's all info, that we have for now...lets wait for some more..

[electroliquid]

What's the engine base?

From their facebook page: [engine base] "4B11 and planing to develope Ford for next car"

[dimviii]

From their facebook page: [engine base] "4B11 "

evo x engine code

[Sulland]

Proto has no Future and it is a big mistake to let these cars compete.

First of all to close to R5. So R5 drivers are not happy about it and will maybe pass dutch events.

Second. Evo s are out of production so parts for the Proto wil be in later stadium hard to get.

Third The dutch RDW MOT station will never approve a car which is made from 2 cars into one.


You buy an R5 of you buy the fia R4 kit. If you want a good 4wd car.

I know it s all to expensive but manufactures make no group N cars anymore. I wish it was different.

Why is it a mistake?
If a country allow them, to improve the number of cars in a spectacular and quick class. In many countries we see that many private drivers do not have money to buy a R4 and R5 car.
If a Protocar can be bought from 30 000€ and upwards, depending on spec.

The function I see them in will be to fill the gap of the N4 cars, not to compete with the international R5s.
For me this makes sense to get more drivers into a 4wd car on a normal working man salary.

[Rally Power]

Why is it a mistake?
If a country allow them, to improve the number of cars in a spectacular and quick class. In many countries we see that many private drivers do not have money to buy a R4 and R5 car.
If a Protocar can be bought from 30 000€ and upwards, depending on spec.
The function I see them in will be to fill the gap of the N4 cars, not to compete with the international R5s.
For me this makes sense to get more drivers into a 4wd car on a normal working man salary.

Agree with most of our points (although the price you’ve mentioned seems quite unrealistic), but isn’t this matter already treated in two other threads? Why not keep it on the R4 think tank?

[Jarek Z]

I don't know if anybody is interested, but there is a new car from Dytko. This time it is Audi A1 Proto and it looks like this:
https://www.facebook.com/pg/sportdytko/posts/?ref=page_internal

[Sulland]

Taking up this again since the R4 thread moves into proto cars.
If you spec a proto low, it seems you can get a good price. Chassis and more or less standard evo parts.

If this should be used in a national series, you need to set a spec, to get a "standard".


Thanks br21 & ChassisFlex

Standard parts make more sense considering the price. I know that the Swedish Mirage don’t have FIA homologation. Hope that at least the price is correct because all the rest seems to be bullshit.

I had a look at http://rallycarsforsale.net/?s=dytko&sa=search&scat=0 and there was a Polo with evo X standard parts for 35 900 € http://rallycarsforsale.net/ads/vw-polo-proto-2/ . The Citroen C3 proto for 19 000 € is as I understand only the bodyshell prepared for evo X parts http://rallycarsforsale.net/ads/citroen-c3-proto-complete-body/

In general does the customer have to supply the evo parts or does Dytko take care of everything.

[Tarmop]

There usually are specs, as much as you can excpect from a proto. One example:
http://autosport.ee/rallyreg/public/series_file/4WD%20Proto%20technical.pdf

[Sulland]

But you can get one for 39 000, that I bet will be a good learning 4wd car.
https://www.rallysales.com/ad/vw-polo-proto-2/

[Mirek]

Do You buy Yourself and Your family also the cheapest things around? You know it's not any different with rally cars. The cheap stuff is cheap because it's not good.

[Tarmop]

Another Dtyrko Polo in gravel setup was for sale ~100k.

[Rally Power]

Do You buy Yourself and Your family also the cheapest things around? You know it's not any different with rally cars. The cheap stuff is cheap because it's not good.

Honestly, that’s a silly analogy.

As you know, Rally cars price depends mostly on their tech specs level and a low spec car will naturally tend to cost way less than a high spec one; therefore a cheap car isn’t necessarily a ‘not good’ one.

Btw, you should praise a bit more Dytko work; they’ve granted a nice reputation selling their cars all over Europe and beyond.

[Sulland]

Honestly, that’s a silly analogy.

As you know, Rally cars price depends mostly on their tech specs level and a low spec car will naturally tend to cost way less than a high spec one; therefore a cheap car isn’t necessarily a ‘not good’ one.

Btw, you should praise a bit more Dytko work; they’ve granted a nice reputation selling their cars all over Europe and beyond.

And if an ASN has balls to set up a Proto cup, in coop with a Proto builders firm, using a set spec and set price from them. Important for the spec should be made with endurance and low running cost as Pri 1.
That could be a nice tight-fight cup, for people to learn driving 4wd.

Does not matter if it is a car that is a good bit slower than R5, since they all will be equal, and drivers talemt and skills matter most.

[Tarmop]

That would be boring, a good std. class is equal (although there`s no such thing in reality) etc., but it would kill the point for many builders-drivers.

[Jarek Z]

New car from Dytko in Greece. This time it is Nissan Micra for Efthimios Halkias.

http://www.autoklub.pl/news/foto/201811/news20181115_89168h.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4KOMAwGZJE

[atsiotras79]

But still nothing announced if these cars will be allowed next year in Greece...

[Mirek]

Honestly, that’s a silly analogy.

As you know, Rally cars price depends mostly on their tech specs level and a low spec car will naturally tend to cost way less than a high spec one; therefore a cheap car isn’t necessarily a ‘not good’ one.

Btw, you should praise a bit more Dytko work; they’ve granted a nice reputation selling their cars all over Europe and beyond.

I absolutely didn't say that. I said that a Proto car which costs 2-3x less than top Proto car is most likely a bad car. I didn't compare with R5 or whatever, I only commented the offer Sulland suggested as a good one.

[Rally Power]

I said that a Proto car which costs 2-3x less than top Proto car is most likely a bad car.

It isn’t a bad car, it’s a basic car; wich is something different.

Actually, that was the beauty of Gr.N/A: you could tune your car according to your purposes or budget; there was no need to buy a fully prepared machine from an official tuner, like nowadays with Gr.R. The sport isn’t only about being able to win; for most it’s mainly about having a good time competing, without spending a fortune.

Anyway, pushing ASN’s to allow less expensive Protos on top national events seems to be a lost cause, as most ASN’s will tend to reject them, once they’re not recognized by the FIA. For sure R4 isn't the affordable 4wd entry class most drivers and teams were hoping for, but they must realize that R4 is now a reality and an opportunity; it’s up to them, and also to private tuners and car brands importers, to decide R4 future. I hope it’ll be a bright one, for the sake of the sport.

[tommeke_B]

One Dytko proto has arrived in Belgium. Steve Brown, a driver who's doing smaller rallies, has bought it. He will drive some local rallies in Flanders, as the car is not (yet) allowed in BRC.

https://scontent.fbru2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/49895345_788001774874360_8067051791482617856_o.jpg ?_nc_cat=105&_nc_ht=scontent.fbru2-1.fna&oh=1e173c0e5d817ccbf6c149f23589b868&oe=5CD8BB78

[dupanton]

One Dytko proto has arrived in Belgium. Steve Brown, a driver who's doing smaller rallies, has bought it. He will drive some local rallies in Flanders, as the car is not (yet) allowed in BRC.

https://scontent.fbru2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/49895345_788001774874360_8067051791482617856_o.jpg ?_nc_cat=105&_nc_ht=scontent.fbru2-1.fna&oh=1e173c0e5d817ccbf6c149f23589b868&oe=5CD8BB78

It's not allowed in Flandres neither, only in Wallonia.

[Jarek Z]

How about a new product from Proto Cars by Dytko? ;)

Toyota Yaris Proto:
http://www.protocars.pl/web.n4?go=19
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6b7Ipo7QYZI

Toyota Yaris Proto - Concept 2021:
http://www.protocars.pl/web.n4?go=176

[Mirek]

Not sure if this car has something to do with Dytko but nevertheless I wanted to post it because it looks awesome :)
https://www.ewrc.cz/images/2021/photos/herbst-rallye_2021/jma_img_8967.jpg
https://www.ewrc.cz/images/2021/photos/herbst-rallye_2021/jma_img_8898.jpg

[HKSjbg]

Not sure if this is because it’s in tarmac spec not gravel but this looks a hell of a lot better than the AP4 spec Mazda 2 in NZ

[Andre Oliveira]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FFcAlZCXsAEOus2?format=jpg&name=large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FFcAlY_WYAMnF7L?format=jpg&name=medium
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FFcAlZCXMAYtp3F?format=jpg&name=medium

[Jarek Z]

New version of Toyota GR Yaris with special body kit was presented a couple of days ago during Rally Poland 2023:
https://www.facebook.com/ProtoCars/posts/pfbid02JmZ46Y1oE3Pgik4CrdZDx8mf9qrQRoBz2M4Sg6iXRyw vthaTF1MaVF3a94N5e2ual