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Nitrodaze
21st February 2016, 12:17
At first glance, my impression is that this is the ugliest Mclaren ever produced. The lines are angular and square and without the flair that is customary of Mclaren designers. It is beginning to look like the cars at the tail end of the grid which incidentally is where it spent its last two seasons. While the aesthetics of the car is disappointing, one hopes it makes up for it in performance. I would have an ugly car capable of mixing it at the front to a beautiful car at the back of the grid. But it would be a real tragedy if the Mclaren turns out to be both ugly and non-competitive.
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http://www.formula1.com/content/fom-website/en/latest/headlines/2016/2/mclaren-launch-the-mp4-31/jcr:content/articleContent/manual_gallery/image1.img.2048.medium.jpg
Unfortunately, this car does not reflect enthusiasm and confidence from Mclaren. They appear to be bracing themselves for another bad season. it comes down to the inherent question, can the Honda engine deliver a leading edge performance worthy for the two Mclaren World Champions.

I think one could venture a prediction that 2016 is a determinant year for Honda's continued involvement in F1. Failing to deliver a reasonably performant engine may likely see an end to the partnership between Mclaren and Honda. It may be unlikely that Honda would want to continue its engine supply activity after this parting. One would wonder who would want a Honda engine after this anyway.

That said, l have a feeling that Honda would deliver a better engine than its 2015 engine. By better, l mean higher performance than the 2015 engine. Reliability is another matter. An area that has been a major pain for the mclaren team in 2015.

But you never know, Honda may turn up with a surprise of the season. If they do, Mclaren would rue turning up for the 2016 season with an ugly chassis and bland livery.

steveaki13
21st February 2016, 13:48
Wow. That McLaren is pretty unusual. In terms of it is very angular. For some reason it reminds me of a back marker car in the early 90s.

With 2016 just being a step forward for most teams, McLaren might be the most likely to make a splash compared to 2015. If Honda can sort themselves out.

However it could be another year of toil otherwise.

Rollo
22nd February 2016, 00:08
McLaren have succeeded in putting the wrong livery on their car again.

Considering that Orange is what should be on their cars - because it's on their website...

http://cars.mclaren.com/#

And on their cars which actually win motor races...

http://www.momeprom.com/Racinglife.nl/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/B12-59-McLaren-520x245.jpg


This forgettable black and red whingy emo Kylo Ren colour scheme is monumentally stupid.

AndyL
22nd February 2016, 10:54
It used to be that we could only determine the aerodynamic performance of the car by casting our inexpert eyes over the launch photos. Amazing that now we can infer the mental state of the team as well ;)

Nitrodaze
22nd February 2016, 12:48
It used to be that we could only determine the aerodynamic performance of the car by casting our inexpert eyes over the launch photos. Amazing that now we can infer the mental state of the team as well ;)

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http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/mclaren_mp2-23_launch_08_2.jpg
When you have a look at this 2008 mclaren, you see an exuberance of creative flair. The car reflect the vibrancy and vitality of a winning team. The 2016 car is a stark contrast in that it is darker and angular, which reflects the challenging state that Mclaren is with their Honda partnership.

Yes, you can tell the psychology of team from the characteristics of their car design. Mclaren like Renault have reserved notions of their chances this 2016 season, hence their cars are dark and the car design also reflect this reservation in the effort put into the aesthetics of the car. The cars of both of these teams are designed to be functional but not necessarily beautiful. And we know too well that Mclaren built some of the most beautiful F1 cars of the last decade.

That said, l would be most happy to be wrong because that would mean Mclaren has found a winning formula.

Storm
23rd February 2016, 16:41
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I do not have hopes for McLaren this year either...Alonso will likely retire half way through the season, sadly only 2 time champ.

Rollo
29th February 2016, 11:02
It used to be that we could only determine the aerodynamic performance of the car by casting our inexpert eyes over the launch photos. Amazing that now we can infer the mental state of the team as well ;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqv_LUStxDw

Darkness, no parents...
Continue Darkness, More Darkness. Get it?

anfield5
29th February 2016, 22:51
I wonder though how much of the "ugly" is down to the livery. Most of the cars are quite square, but the 'not quite black' of he McLaren makes it appear that some one has beat it up with an ugly stick.

Tazio
2nd March 2016, 03:06
It used to be that we could only determine the aerodynamic performance of the car by casting our inexpert eyes over the launch photos. Amazing that now we can infer the mental state of the team as well ;)
Too much speculation of the negative persuasion. McLaren will be vastly improved IMO.

Alonso will likely retire half way through the season
Nothing Fred has said lately is indicative of that eventuality, I really don't see that happening, McHonda is pushing for all it's worth. I say let's wait for Australia before we bury them!
Jense:
http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/f1/10187674/exclusive-button-interview#ooid=lzdm9nMTE60s0mS7pT99JeXgqbQomgE2

Nitrodaze
2nd March 2016, 23:12
Too much speculation of the negative persuasion. McLaren will be vastly improved IMO.


Please read my post carefully, l have not written Mclaren off yet. I don't think the car is particularly hot, but l am fully expecting some form of step forward from last year's car. How much forward is what l wonder about. Based on the recent test showing, it is looking promising thankfully. I say it like it is, if you are too emotionally invested in Mclaren, you would most likely not like the truth of the matter. But that does not change the way it is.
That said, l hope this great team finds its way back to the front where it belongs.

Tazio
3rd March 2016, 02:36
Please read my post carefully, l have not written Mclaren off yet. I don't think the car is particularly hot, but l am fully expecting some form of step forward from last year's car. How much forward is what l wonder about. Based on the recent test showing, it is looking promising thankfully. I say it like it is, if you are too emotionally invested in Mclaren, you would must likely not like the truth of the matter. But that does not change the way it is.
That said, l hope this great team finds its way back to the front where it belongs.
I'm not too emotionally invested in anything, let alone F1/McLaren. I don't know why you took exception to my post as it was not referring to any comment you made. When I say that McLaren will be "vastly improved" it is in the context of what they did last year. Of course I'm speculating a little, but they just don't have that far to go to exceed what 2015 produced!

steveaki13
3rd March 2016, 07:40
Fred to win the title four races from the end and retire immediately. Leaving an empty seat for the last 3 races :p

AndyL
3rd March 2016, 13:03
f1today.net is reporting the speeds over the finish line today:
http://www.f1today.net/en/live/f1/209314/live-update-barcelona-test-2-day-3
Comparing them against the equivalent from Spanish Grand Prix last year:
http://www.fia.com/file/27516/download?token=v_YitG8h (qualy)
http://www.fia.com/file/27544/download?token=WF5acrm- (race, ignore Alonso as he retired early)
it looks as if they haven't really gone anywhere relative to the rest of the field in straight line performance.

Of course that may not tell the full story. If they were using all their electrical power on the straight last year then maybe we wouldn't expect to see a difference at that point. If they are managing to harvest more electrical power now, then the improvement might be in other parts of the lap.

Tazio
3rd March 2016, 16:40
Straight line performance is one thing, actual running time is another indicator:

2015 9. McLaren 380 laps 1751km over 12 days

McLaren has exceeded that number in less than 7 days. I expect slow continual improvement from the team, and by the Spanish GP we can revisit this topic and see where they stand.

Bagwan
3rd March 2016, 19:59
Taz , my man , pretty low expectations all around for the Macs , and nothing spectacular from the tests maybe says they aren't showing any cards for a reason , and they're happy to let people think that reason is that they haven't got a suitable hand .

Nitrodaze
3rd March 2016, 20:15
I'm not too emotionally invested in anything, let alone F1/McLaren. I don't know why you took exception to my post as it was not referring to any comment you made. When I say that McLaren will be "vastly improved" it is in the context of what they did last year. Of course I'm speculating a little, but they just don't have that far to go to exceed what 2015 produced!

Fair comment buddy, my bad :-)

Tazio
4th March 2016, 03:21
http://i63.tinypic.com/r1zfa9.jpg

Cool flow-vis pic :angel:

Mia 01
4th March 2016, 08:55
they looking better than last year but how long could they reach?

Nitrodaze
5th April 2016, 22:49
I have to say, the Mclaren in race trim looks great actually. My first post suggested that it was the ugliest Mclaren ever built. On seeing it in race trim in Australia, l have to admit that l was very wrong.

http://media.crash.net/original/PA1856968.0036.jpg

The metallic grey and the classic Mclaren red wave looks very cool.

schmenke
6th April 2016, 15:37
...Cool flow-vis pic :angel:

I think that would make a rather nice race livery :cool: