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Catiocha7
24th April 2007, 10:38
Hi guys
What is the kind of this car ??
and it was driven by Jean Claude Andruet in Monte Carlo 86 !
http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2007/ostatni/archiv/mc86/andruet.jpg
ttiirika
24th April 2007, 10:53
It is Citroen BX 4TC, group B. Participated Monte-Carlo, Sweden and Acropolis on 1986 (driven by Jean-Claude Andruet and Philippe Wambergue) without any success and the project was finished soon after Acropolis 1986.
Catiocha7
24th April 2007, 11:05
Ohh
Thanks a lot for these a great information ..
1LM1
24th April 2007, 11:51
Thanks for the pics. First time I see a pic of this car in a stage.
ZequeArgentina
24th April 2007, 13:44
There is a general consensus (or at last I feel there is) that the BX group B was the most awful rally car in history, anyone agrees?
A.F.F.
24th April 2007, 14:57
There is a general consensus (or at last I feel there is) that the BX group B was the most awful rally car in history, anyone agrees?


Not only the most awful but also the worst :) Or at least unreliable.
Jarek Z
24th April 2007, 15:11
Yes, Catiocha7 is lucky that he didn't see the front of this car...
Josti
24th April 2007, 16:21
Yes, Catiocha7 is lucky that he didn't see the front of this car...

Though the back isn't that awful...
Josti
24th April 2007, 16:24
No offence Jarek Z and others.
Woodeye
24th April 2007, 17:35
There is a general consensus (or at last I feel there is) that the BX group B was the most awful rally car in history, anyone agrees?

Still, we have also Huyndai Accent, Skoda Fabia just as starters of the next great debate - the worst rallycar ever.
ZequeArgentina
24th April 2007, 22:27
I´d rather say the Opel Calibra for instance (as a wose car,cause it was a beautiful one).

But fo me the bigest failure (considering the ambitions) was the Nissan Sunny, an amazing car, with the highest technology, good budget and drivers, bu no result at all.
FAL
24th April 2007, 23:06
It is amazing, given their successes in different eras before and after, that Citroen ever got it so wrong with the BX4TC. They went about a return to rallying in all the right ways - using the Visa programme to first mould a team and gain recent experience of International rallying. Then the car they produced, late, was the BX4TC......
FAL
24th April 2007, 23:10
the bigest failure (considering the ambitions) was the Nissan Sunny, an amazing car, with the highest technology, good budget and drivers, bu no result at all.

The GpB 4wd Sunny was fundamentally flawed in its technology. Too small an intercooler, badly located, meant it never had the power of its opposition and only showed promise in cold conditions.
Catiocha7
25th April 2007, 10:15
Yes, Catiocha7 is lucky that he didn't see the front of this car...
http://cibix.free.fr/images/bx4tc6.jpg
:dozey:
Tomski
25th April 2007, 11:16
Can anyone confirm the urban myth that Citroen crushed the majority of these cars?
FAL
25th April 2007, 12:34
Can anyone confirm the urban myth that Citroen crushed the majority of these cars?

http://www.forum-auto.com/sport-auto/theme40/sujet378157.htm
jonkka
25th April 2007, 13:29
The GpB 4wd Sunny was fundamentally flawed in its technology.

Nissan Sunny GTI-R was Group A car.
FAL
25th April 2007, 15:47
Thanks for correcting typing mistake - all this adoration of Gp B on here must be affecting keyboards! (not that original GpA was a much better category and only major changes made it something remotely comparable to the old sensible Gp2 that allowed modification of cars that were a poor basic design....)
COD
25th April 2007, 20:22
That car competes with the ugliest and worse car ever with none other than....... Dadaa Citroen Visa http://faimg1.forum-auto.com/mesimages/82135/DSC03244.JPG

It is hard to imagine now how bad and ugly rallycars they made in past.

Although I must say I'm not a big fan of the C4's livery, but that's another matter...
Grany
25th April 2007, 23:29
That car competes with the ugliest and worse car ever with none other than....... Dadaa Citroen Visa http://faimg1.forum-auto.com/mesimages/82135/DSC03244.JPG

It is hard to imagine now how bad and ugly rallycars they made in past.


Visa Mille Pistes was absolutely not ridiculous. A great "school rally car" and in 1984 finds a better ratio price/performance...
The Bx4TC was a disaster. No development, an outdated architecture and a ridiculous budget.
It remains at least the only failure of Citroën, which is not the case of others manufacturers...

Ps: aesthetic is subjective, thus I can as say I find Audi SQ S1, Lancia S4 and Bx 4TC really hideous?
Maui J.
1st May 2007, 05:53
Can anyone confirm the urban myth that Citroen crushed the majority of these cars?

Not sure about the crushing, but you can still buy a strucken one.

http://www.model-car.com/miniature_detail.asp?nr=RAC069

These might be valuable one day!