Wrc Argentina 2016

[jbmarcus21]

345.16kms and 18SS
Here the road program and timetable Wrc Argentina 2016
➡ http://goo.gl/5LY24m

[arq.diogo]

Hello,

I'm going to watch my first live rally, the one I choose is Xion, april 20 to 24.

Could someone give any tips? where to stay, how to move around the stages...any information is impotant.

I'll stay in a hostel at Villa Carlos Paz, I was thinking about rent a scooter, maybe it's the easier way to move there...

Do I have to buy any tickets or just find a good place to seat and watch?

No, I don't know nothing...LOL

Thank you very much, and sorry about my english.

[Co-driven]

Hello,

I'm going to watch my first live rally, the one I choose is Xion, april 20 to 24.

Could someone give any tips? where to stay, how to move around the stages...any information is impotant.

I'll stay in a hostel at Villa Carlos Paz, I was thinking about rent a scooter, maybe it's the easier way to move there...

Do I have to buy any tickets or just find a good place to seat and watch?

No, I don't know nothing...LOL

Thank you very much, and sorry about my english.

I wouldn't recommend you to rent a scooter, the stages aren't so close to Carlos Paz. The only benefit I see is about the parking spots near the stages.
No need to buy tickets (maybe for the Parque Temático stage) but know that there is huge crowds. So, if you want a good spot you better get there early, because people sleep on the stages too.


Procura no Facebook que sempre tem brasileiros que vão e organizam excursões.

[arq.diogo]

I wouldn't recommend you to rent a scooter, the stages aren't so close to Carlos Paz. The only benefit I see is about the parking spots near the stages.
No need to buy tickets (maybe for the Parque Temático stage) but know that there is huge crowds. So, if you want a good spot you better get there early, because people sleep on the stages too.


Procura no Facebook que sempre tem brasileiros que vão e organizam excursões.

Thank you, I'll check FB too.

Can I stay anywhere along the stage or there is specific spots where spectators can stay?

[AL14]

Thank you, I'll check FB too.

Can I stay anywhere along the stage or there is specific spots where spectators can stay?

Untill last year there were freedom to chose spots, maybe too much freedom considering where were the dumb spectators hit by Paddon in 2015.

[arq.diogo]

Great, I think I'll not have problems finding a good place. My greatest concern is how to move between stages...

[jbmarcus21]

DAY2 is updated due safety .. new itinerary => http://goo.gl/VNBapi

[dimviii]

Marcos Ligato with ds3 wrc from PH sport

[Arnold Triyudho Wardono]

I hope WRC didn't ruins Super Especial Fernet Branca live stage coverage..

[KiwiWRCfan]

A new Super Special Stage in central Cordoba will open Rally Argentina on the Thursday evening. It takes place in the area of Cordoba's Centro Cívico y Puente del Bicentenario (Civic Centre & Bicentennial Bridges). The same area was used last year by a Citroen road show including Seb Loeb in a DS3 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3F_C9Rcsm4
At night the "honeycomb" building and bridges are lit up by a multicolored light show. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlIqJPS0JHo

[dimviii]

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[dimviii]

Saturday's original itinerary featured a trio of stages north of Villa Carlos Paz that haven’t been used since 2003. But all three were scrapped following an inspection by FIA World Rally Championship safety delegate Michèle Mouton in late February.


http://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/news/march-2016/argentina-itinerary/page/3357--12-12-.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

[Rallyper]

Saturday's original itinerary featured a trio of stages north of Villa Carlos Paz that haven’t been used since 2003. But all three were scrapped following an inspection by FIA World Rally Championship safety delegate Michèle Mouton in late February.


http://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/news/march-2016/argentina-itinerary/page/3357--12-12-.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Wonder why? Nothing about that from WRC.com

[EstWRC]

http://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/news/march-2016/argentina-itinerary/page/3357--12-12-.html

[arq.diogo]

I'll arrive in Cordoba and then stay at Villa Carlos Paz, what do you guys think I should do? Go to Villa Carlos paz at 8am and watch the Shakedown or stay in Cordoba untill 7pm and watch the Super Special??

[MartijnS]

Never been there, but shakedowns are always worth going to. Lot of action in a short period. Every car for a few runs at least.

[Co-driven]

I'll arrive in Cordoba and then stay at Villa Carlos Paz, what do you guys think I should do? Go to Villa Carlos paz at 8am and watch the Shakedown or stay in Cordoba untill 7pm and watch the Super Special??

Definitely go to the shakedown.

[arq.diogo]

Ok, got it! Thank you!

[EstWRC]

entry list

http://www.rallyargentina.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/DRAFT-ENTRY-LIST-RA16-22-3-16.pdf

[jbmarcus21]

Google Earth Map Rally Wrc Argentina 2016 http://goo.gl/58QXgj

[pantealex]

entry list

http://www.rallyargentina.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/DRAFT-ENTRY-LIST-RA16-22-3-16.pdf

Provisional, without numbers.

[EstWRC]

yeah but still something, at the moment no competition for Evans and i doubt there will be. He will win with one hand.

[samWRC]

Entry list is out with numbers. Henning Solberg is now in the list :D
http://www.rallyargentina.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/OFFICIAL-FIA-ENTRY-LIST-RA16-APP.pdf

[Sulland]

Henning :p

Will also bee cool to see the speed of the Maxi Rally cars vs R5s!

[Rally Power]

In normal conditions MR’s will be slower than R5’s, as it was already seen last year. But they're a nice solution for local drivers and teams to get a competitive and affordable locally built 4wd car.

[Andre Oliveira]

Battle between Evans and Dominguez could be interesting. Pity no WRC2 to him.

[Co-driven]

In normal conditions MR’s will be slower than R5’s, as it was already seen last year. But they're a nice solution for local drivers and teams to get a competitive and affordable locally built 4wd car.

This year they will be running the new 1.6 L turbo engine. Until last year,all the Maxi Rally cars were running 2.4 L NA engines.

Actually, it'll be the first time those cars are driven by 'proper' drivers. So far, only gentleman drivers ran it and their real potential couldn't be seen.

But, I think they are still a step behind the R5 cars.

[Arnold Triyudho Wardono]

This year they will be running the new 1.6 L turbo engine. Until last year,all the Maxi Rally cars were running 2.4 L NA engines.

Actually, it'll be the first time those cars are driven by 'proper' drivers. So far, only gentleman drivers ran it and their real potential couldn't be seen.

But, I think they are still a step behind the R5 cars.
So Villagra, Pozzo, and some drivers are gentleman drivers..

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[Co-driven]

No, I think I haven't made myself clear enough: only 'gentleman' drivers drove the turbo Maxi Rally cars so far.

The turbo engines Maxi Rally cars aren't eligible for point in the Argentine Championship, so the frontrunners (Villagra, Ligato, Baldoni...) aren't using them. This will be the first time they will compete with the 1.6 L turbo engine.

[Arnold Triyudho Wardono]

The turbo engines Maxi Rally cars aren't eligible for point in the Argentine Championship, so the frontrunners (Villagra, Ligato, Baldoni...) aren't using them. This will be the first time they will compete with the 1.6 L turbo engine.
I see..

[dimviii]

Marcos Ligato ‏@marcosligato

Welcome to all our fans from overseas!
We are really anxious to start the engines in @OfficialWRC

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[AL14]

How about the weather? Will it be dry?

[GigiGalliNo1]

Apparently snow?

[dimviii]

is this dog sick?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cgbaz63WIAMaufG.jpg:large

[N.O.T]

too many hamburgers for the dog. Could be prokops dog.

[EstWRC]

Neuville already in trouble on recce

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CgeRIljWIAEJoZt.jpg

[drive]

Unlaoding VW in Argentina

https://www.facebook.com/volkswagenmotorsport/videos/1201364479920686/?fref=nf

[dimviii]

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[EstWRC]

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[EstWRC]

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[Fast Eddie WRC]

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[Fast Eddie WRC]

Problems for Elfyn Evans on Shakedown

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CgkSje3WkAEPbBZ.jpg:large

Now moving again...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CgkUKS8WgAAtHHF.jpg:large

[dimviii]

edited with a more complete one

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CgkWb5uWYAAqwth.jpg



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CgkJJQGXEAQoqtG.jpg:large

[Jeppe]

..and it look´s like Neuville´s troubles continues in the SD :/

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CgkZf_rUgAEKuER.jpg

[EstWRC]

Tänak fastest Ford and not too far off. He usually doesnt push on shakedown. Much better than in mexico and he has said that this surface should suit the tire better.

But its just a shakedown.

[dimviii]

Mads
https://youtu.be/EFXGdq2Aq9Q

https://scontent-bru2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/13041081_1003361883077200_7056692507529366597_o.jp g

[dimviii]

..and it look´s like Neuville´s troubles continues in the SD :/

watch between his front rim/tyre.

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[Fast Eddie WRC]

Problems for Elfyn Evans on Shakedown



Sensor issue - nothing to worry about. :)

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Reminder - live stream is up: http://www.wrc.com/live-ticker/live_popup_stream.html

[EstWRC]

Thierry Neuville ‏@thierryneuville now
Shakedown done for us & we are 6th fastest after an electrical problem in the 1st run & a puncture in the 3rd one. Ready for the start! #TN

[dimviii]

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https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.1006400646106504.1073741875.171185022961408&type=3

[dimviii]

borl video from shakedown
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwWX2wyoToQ

[EstWRC]

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[dimviii]

recce at ss1 lolol

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cgl9DfBWwAI3KAX.jpg:large

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CgmXiISWkAA3th7.jpg:large

[EstWRC]

this is like 100th time when Tänak nearly wins a stage this year but always someone beats him so nearly, DAMN IT!!!! would have been amazing to see him leading the rally for a one night at least :)

http://www.upload.ee/image/5748614/ss.png

[Lundefaret]

recce at ss1 lolol

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cgl9DfBWwAI3KAX.jpg:large

Cool UTV. This one is a Yamaha, with even a sequential gear box. UTVs are very good for rally training! Good speed, good suspension, and extremly low running cost. And the roads can be really terrible. Reccomend it!

[MikeD]

The 2 new Citroën PH-Sport liveries for Rally Argentina. Drivers are Ligato and Nicolás.

https://www.facebook.com/170246123017924/photos/a.196088630433673.46183.170246123017924/1127824550593405/?type=1&theater

[SubaruNorway]

How can Neuville claim that this is not represantative of the rally? Was he trying to play down Paddon's shakedown win...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQWqI9q-kJE

[GravelBen]

How can Neuville claim that this is not represantative of the rally? Was he trying to play down Paddon's shakedown win...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQWqI9q-kJE

Hayden said something similar actually, that the SD stage was tighter and twistier than most of the rally would be. Great driving though! :)

[satukata]

Soon Rally STARTS!! i can´t wait. Go Jari-Matti.

Any weather info? Is it disadvantage to be first on the road? Hope so :)

[Adler]

Soon Rally STARTS!! i can´t wait. Go Jari-Matti.

Any weather info? Is it disadvantage to be first on the road? Hope so :)

A chilly start in Villa Carlos Paz. Sunrise was 0743hrs and it's a fresh 9˚C in the service park now. The forecast is for a dry and sunny day with some clouds. The temperature should hit 22˚C later.

Soconcho - Villa del Dique 1, 24.71km. New in this formation although all but 2kms at the start were used in 2014. The main feature is the river crossings, seven in all as the test winds its way across the hills. The early sections are extremely fast on a sandy surface until the road becomes twistier and rougher at the midpoint. The final part is less rocky again. (source wrc.com)

sounds like disadvantage for first cars, yes

[EstWRC]

Ostberg maybe 2nd in overall championship but he is just hopeless...20 secs loss in 20km stage and Tänak faster than him on dmacks.

[Francis44]

Neuville hopeless aswell, on second split already 8.2 seconds down on Ogier.

Edit: And no problem with the car aswell, his excuse is his confidence.

[Mirek]

Is there anybody who still believes in Camilli?

Meanwhile a reasonably good start for Ligato.

[Oliverk]

Is there anybody who still believes in Camilli?

http://cdn.images.autosport.com/editorial/1244880854.jpg

[Mintexmemory]

Seems that despite his famous complaining nature, Le Champ is just too good for anyone else, regardless of road position! Hopeful that Paddon will keep the pressure up.

[RS]

Camilli even slower than Bertelli. Malcolm so desperate to find the next Ogier he'll try anyone?

[Francis44]

Is there anybody who still believes in Camilli?

Meanwhile a reasonably good start for Ligato.

Well it is his first time in Argentina, plus he is on strict orders to finish.

[Zeakiwi]

Didn't M-Sport ask Camilli to complete the event? Did they ask him to go R5 pace as well?

[Mirek]

Did they ask him to go R5 pace as well?

R5 with puncture...

[satukata]

Camilli is Joke. Malcolm have to change Evans back

[satukata]

Great start for sordo and paddon... neuville is too slow. Hope Thierry can find confidence

[EstWRC]

No, he has to change Tänak back. :p

[Mintexmemory]

Camilli is Joke. Malcolm have to change Evans back
More to the point what is Ostberg doing - appears to have no mojo whatsoever!
Really would love to know if the Fiesta is a bad car although Tanak on worse tyres seems to show it isn't!

[satukata]

Ligato positive surprise

[AL14]

Camilli is living a nightmare (his times) in a dream (being a factory WRC driver). Maybe Malcom Wilson didn't take the right decision...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Do you guys learn nothing ? Ostberg always starts steady and inproves as the rally goes on, picking up pace and also places as others go off.

[RS]

Do you guys learn nothing ? Ostberg always starts steady and inproves as the rally goes on, picking up pace and also places as others go off.

Does he pick up pace or do others slow down?

[Mintexmemory]

Does he pick up pace or do others slow down?
No he doesn't pick up pace - purely hyena driving, waiting for the dead meat to fall in his lap!

[EstWRC]

Paddon fastest at the moment...this guy is really starting to impress me

[RS]

If they ask Camilli to drive at R5 pace, why not put him in an R5?

Camilli to R5, Tanak to Msport and Evans to DMack makes more sense to me.

[satukata]

what´s wrong with neuville??

[Fast Eddie WRC]

MSport has to bring back Evans as a third car and give Ostberg the chance to take risks with a No.2 to pick up points.

With Camilli there Ostberg is on his own.

[Mintexmemory]

what´s wrong with neuville??
Appears he has a major confidence issue (similar to Matthew Wilson And Mikko Hirvonen in the past).
We know he has the natural ability to drive well from past performances yet clearly something is now lacking and it isn't the car.

[seb_sh]

Neuville seems to be completely out of it. Or does he have a problem with the car?

[satukata]

poor camilli! slower than henning and bertelli.. Malcolm have to change driver to next rally

[Mirek]

It seems that Evans is out with electric issues :(

[satukata]

SS4 Live. I bet Latvala will be fastest again!! Go JM!!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Evans great start to the season has come to an end in Ireland and now here... :(

[EightGear]

Neuville already losing a lot of time in first split now.

[Mirek]

Paddon in the lead! :)

EDIT: Not for long...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Go Latvala !

[dimviii]

R5 with puncture...


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CgpckyVWkAkzety.jpg

WRC 2 championship leader @ElfynEvans had a puncture 4 kms from the end of SS2 of @rallyargentina #WRC



Sordo after the todays opening stage

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CgpU4LZW4AAUBXk.jpg:large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CgpXoGrWYAAbEJt.jpg

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Neuville stopped & Sordo also having issues...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Tanak also with a problem..

[Eric]

Neuville Neuville Neuville...

[GigiGalliNo1]

And did I not tell you if Camili doesn't perform after Mexico, where I was; he'll be out of a drive!

[dimviii]

@ ss2

Gary Boyd

Dani Sordo just registered 195kph
will we see a car top 200 kph on this stage ?

[JakefromWRC]

This is gonna be my first rally for Argentina and I am EXCITED.

[raybak]

So when is Camilli getting the axe? He's slower than Bertelli!!

[N.O.T]

And did I not tell you if Camili doesn't perform after Mexico, where I was; he'll be out of a drive!

we do not really care what you think/say... even if you are right from time to time.

you earned that privilege through your constant unreliable blabbering.

[N.O.T]

Hyundai should bin Neuville and get Tanak, we have not seen Tanak in a proper car yet.

[Mirek]

Technical problems for both Neuville and Sordo.

[dimviii]

Mads is happy with his stage with more than 1sec/km from Latvala. lolzzz.

[dimviii]

Camilli with turbo problems

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Mads is happy with his stage with more than 1sec/km from Latvala. lolzzz.

Strategy... which looking at the issues already appearing, is working.

[dimviii]

Ligato also on problems,lost 3,5 minutes

[dimviii]

Strategy... which looking at the issues already appearing, is working.

no,just unable to be fast.

[dimviii]

Tanak lost his alternator belt.Ligato had an off and his ds3 has damage at front.

[EstWRC]

Tänak Ott - Mõlder Raigo Problem with alternator...shame...was great rally so far

[dimviii]

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[dimviii]

Fuchs the leader had problems too.Lost his lead to Al Kuwari for 1 minute

Fri 10:45 - SS4: WRC 2 Fuchs
He should have taken the category lead following Evans' exit. Instead, he drops almost 2min and slips behind Ptaszek. What happened? "Broken power steering. The pump broke and I drove the whole stage without power assistance. My co-driver changed gears for me all the way through.

[GigiGalliNo1]

Did anyone listen to how Al-Kuwari won his last Rally Argentina? If Mads or even Paddon keep it consistent and not fast, they don't have to win stages then they could win at a mistake of a leading driver

[USER47]

What's surprising, Camilli hasn't crashed yet and is slowly moving up the ladder.:-D

[satukata]

Tänak Ott - Mõlder Raigo Problem with alternator...shame...was great rally so far

Tanak moving again! Good!

[EstWRC]

Yessssssss, very nice move from radio to go to Tänak and talk to him, they should be able to reach the next stage...He has a good chance to beat Ostberg this rally and this is what i want :p

[Mintexmemory]

Latvala is either in the zone or driving in a way that will find the magic rock at any time!

[EstWRC]

Tänak stopped again...i guess no power in battery to move on

[Fast Eddie WRC]

no,just unable to be fast.

You really think he would be happy if this was his max speed ?

[EstWRC]

Tänak on the move again

[EstWRC]

Tänak stopped again...theres no time basically left...what a shame :(

[Fast Eddie WRC]

DMACK Tyres ‏@DMACK_Tyres 15 seconds ago
Doesn’t look like @OttTanak will make it back. He’s stopped for good this time.

Ott Tänak ‏@OttTanak now
We tried our best but unfortunately that’s it for today...

[dimviii]

You really think he would be happy if this was his max speed ?

you mean that he has more speed? Do you know when we will see this ''speed''?
tired to wait.



Ligato fast through the water

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cgp3QGqW0AACp25.jpg

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Live SSS http://cricfree.sx/bt-sport-2-live-stream-2

[Fast Eddie WRC]

As Super-Special's go this is a decent one to watch... :)

[RAS007]

Only 5 stages gone and the top Ford is in 6th place, over a minute behind already. WTF.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Ligato fast through the water

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cgp3QGqW0AACp25.jpg

Citroen Argentina wont be happy with that view - it could be any car...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Only 5 stages gone and the top Ford is in 6th place, over a minute behind already. WTF.

Ostberg just driving for a points finish, no risks. Finishing behind his 'team-mate' Camilli on SS5 proves it.

SS5
Neuville
JML+0.9
Mikkel+1.2
Paddon+2.7
Sordo+2.8
Ogier+3.4
Ligato+4.1
Camilli+4.5
Bertel+4.7
Gorba+8.8
Ostb+9.2

[RS]

Only 5 stages gone and the top Ford is in 6th place, over a minute behind already. WTF.

Don't worry, it's 'tactics'

[dimviii]

Ostberg just driving for a points finish, no risks. Finishing behind his 'team-mate' Camilli on SS5 proves it.


finishing almost 1 sec/km slower from Bertelli what prooves?
slower from Fuchs r5?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

STAT:
Only 21 starters for the WRC event, plus 7 'nationals'. The 2016 Rally Argentina has the smallest entry since the WRC's creation in 1973. :eek:

[Fast Eddie WRC]

finishing almost 1 sec/km slower from Bertelli what prooves?

No risks on a SSS. You cant gain much but can lose a wheel or something in error.

[samWRC]

STAT:
Only 21 starters for the WRC event, plus 7 'nationals'. The 2016 Rally Argentina has the smallest entry since the WRC's creation in 1973. :eek:
Well those national cars are also driving in the WRC event, they are just not eligible for points.

[Mirek]

It's still very small number of locals in the event. Why is that so? Even in not FIA-recognized 2010 IRC edition there were 56 South American crews. Now 10. Something went terribly wrong if in a big motorsport-mad country there is no interest in major world championship event.

[dimviii]

No risks on a SSS. You cant gain much but can lose a wheel or something in error.

its same as on stages.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

its same as on stages.

No, not slower than Bertelli, Camilli etc on the stages.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

What caused Tanak's problem.. a rock or something, or the component itself ?

He said earlier it was rough and he was pushing hard & needed to ease off..

[Francis44]

I dont know how alternator belts are displayed in a WRC car but if it's any similar to a road car, which almost always has the belt very exposed, you could see how they would break easily with all those rocks and particles.

[Mirek]

Stone damaging an alternator belt? How do You want to get the stone in the engine bay?

[Francis44]

Stone damaging an alternator belt? How do You want to get the stone in the engine bay?

Pretty easy if you lost or damaged under engine protection, happened to me some years ago and it made it's marks on the carter, even if it didn't do anything to the belt.

[Mirek]

As You said - if You loose the sumpguard. But that wasn't reported about Tänak so I don't think it was the case. It's not easy anyway.

[SubaruNorway]

Stone damaging an alternator belt? How do You want to get the stone in the engine bay?

Doesn't have to be a big stone, I've seen a belt been split in tow just by a 3mm rock stuck in one of the tracks of a roller.

[dimviii]

No, not slower than Bertelli, Camilli etc on the stages.

Fri 15:23 - SS6: Ostberg
18.2sec slower than Ogier. "I really enjoyed that stage, I had a very good rhythm in there. Quite happy."

[dimviii]

Thierry Neuville's engine was cutting out because a fuel pressure sensor had become disconnected. Team boss Michel Nandan said this 'stupid' problem was most likely due to the connector not being fully locked in place.

Fri 15:18 - Hyundai service 1
Dani Sordo's sticking throttle was caused by a damaged floor pan. Probably the result of a stone impact. Now fixed.

[Francis44]

As You said - if You loose the sumpguard. But that wasn't reported about Tänak so I don't think it was the case. It's not easy anyway.

Coult it be material fatigue then? I find it a bit embarassing that a WRC team would use an old belt.

[EightGear]

Paddon is the future.

[AL14]

My two favourite drivers first and second. It's a good day :)

[satukata]

My two favourite drivers first and second. It's a good day :)

my favourites too !!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Fri 15:23 - SS6: Ostberg
18.2sec slower than Ogier. "I really enjoyed that stage, I had a very good rhythm in there. Quite happy."

Oh right, I didnt realise he was supposed to race the triple world champion... and still guarantee points for his non-factory team with a useless team-mate...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Bertelli's turbo has blown.

[Barreis]

It seems that i20 is closer to polo in times in this rally...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

SS7 Neuville really slow again after the win on the SSS... shows how much they matter.

[satukata]

camilli still slower than Henning. Poor show!

[dimviii]

Stages matter?

[USER47]

But thanks to all the troubles of faster drivers Camilli is already in 8th place, just 2 spots behind Ostberg:). If he doesn't screw up, he will finish on good position despite his low speed.

[samWRC]

camilli still slower than Henning. Poor show!
Malcolm should take Henning in the team :D

[AL14]

Meeke should have been here.

[denkimi]

let's hope there is something horribly wrong with neuville's car. if he is this slow by himself, he might be out of the team before the end of the year.

[Mk2 RS2000]

let's hope there is something horribly wrong with neuville's car. if he is this slow by himself, he might be out of the team before the end of the year.

He has a contract until the end of the season, my understanding is he has an out clause but Hyundai don't.

As an athlete I suspect he has hit the wall and can go no further.

[N.O.T]

let's hope there is something horribly wrong with neuville's car. if he is this slow by himself, he might be out of the team before the end of the year.

no he won;t because he has a contract but after this season he can join the other Belgian hamburger boy.

[Lundefaret]

In a press statement Mads states that - in no unclear words - it is the car, and not him.
He feels the lack of speed is "causes that we (Mads and his codriver) we dont have control over our selves."
And then one could off course speculate if that is the reason, or if it is a combination of car and driver, or if it is the driver?

«Vi er ikke med og setter topp-tider her i år, i motsetning til i fjor» sier Mads i en kommentar. «Vi er fornøyd med den jobben vi gjør sammen inne i bilen, oppsummert og etter hver etappe. At vi ikke får det til å gå fortere, føler jeg skyldes årsaker som vi ikke har kontroll over selv. Når det er sånn, må vi akseptere det, fokusere akkurat like mye på jobben på hver eneste prøve, unngå alle feil og forhåpentligvis plukke bra med poeng til slutt. Bilen er bra bygget, og tåler mye juling, og det får den her kan jeg garantere. Vi skal gjøre vårt beste, og så teller vi opp til slutt.» avslutter han.

[EstWRC]

In Ostberg's case it is the driver....Tänak was faster than him before his alternator problem. Ostberg may be 2nd in the championship but IMO Wilson made a huge mistake letting both Evans and Tänak go. He should have kept at least one of them but they didnt bring enough money to him and there you go.

Paddon's progress is just amazing.

[Rally Power]

He has a contract until the end of the season, my understanding is he has an out clause but Hyundai don't. As an athlete I suspect he has hit the wall and can go no further.

Maybe we’ll only know what happened between Neuville and Hyundai after he leaves the team, but if he gets a seat in another manu next year it’d be nice see him getting back to the top.

Meanwhile, it’s great to see Paddon in such a close fight with VW’s drivers. This means the i20 has now the speed and the reliability to match the Polo and Paddon has become one of the bests. Fantastic news for the rest of the season.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Mads SS9 - 4.57.8 "I plan to go to the end. I just have to drive, and that's what I'm doing."

There are clearly some underlying issues here...

Ostberg is not this slow on gravel and I guess its the team instructions that are determining his pace here. Either that or the car"s performance is reduced.

His statements of being happy with slow times just dont add up.

[er88]

Are all Belgian's flakey and mentally weak ;)?

Neuville had genuine pace and looked to have real talent when he was in the IRC and with MSport in the WRC, but it's like he's just chucked it and lost it the same way Duval did.

Same can be said for a lot of the supremely talented yet mentally weak Belgian footballers, namely Eden Hazard. They get a great contract and have a little bit of success and it goes to their head.
Ever since Sweden or Mexico last year, it's like Neuville has thrown in the towel and decided to sulk after the new car was delayed. Now he's in a rut and has seemingly forgotten how to drive fast.

He's like a petulant child. He could have led this team to rival VW but instead it's Paddon who will be/ is doing that. Haydon has the fight and determination it seems and that's what you need to become a champion, as well as some bollocks (which Neuville doesn't seem to have either)

I can see Neuville ending up at Citreon next year, so he can get an arm round the shoulder and a bit of TLC from his fellow Belgian Matton....





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[Arnold Triyudho Wardono]

He needs to drive with a cougar in the back..

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[AL14]

If Neuville continues like this he risks to not have too many possibilities next year...

[Mk2 RS2000]

If Neuville continues like this he risks to not have too many possibilities next year...

I suspect that he offered his services to everyone this year but no one would match his current fee.

[dimviii]

Oh right, I didnt realise he was supposed to race the triple world champion... and still guarantee points for his non-factory team with a useless team-mate...

to race the triple world champion? lol

he is slower from all works drivers,except Camilli with 3 wrc rounds at his palmares.
You have to stop this joke with Ostbergs speed.A speed we havent see for years,and decreases constantly.


borl video day1
https://youtu.be/B3jk0zOdo18

[dimviii]

Paddon

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CgrJl5vXEAAv9RV.jpg:large

[Fast Eddie WRC]

to race the triple world champion? lol

he is slower from all works drivers,except Camilli with 3 wrc rounds at his palmares.
You have to stop this joke with Ostbergs speed.A speed we havent see for years,and decreases constantly.


No, you have to stop this blind criticism and see the context of his team situation.

And he won stages here just last year, also stages in Portugal, Sardegna and Spain; plus top 3 times on other WRC rallies.

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CguGA7WW4AAfpkd.jpg

[dimviii]

No, you have to stop this blind criticism and see the context of his team situation..

whats the situaton? Fiesta is bad car? lolololol Do you remember last year with the difficult ds3 that didnt suit him?
Its really ridicullus.


And he won stages here just last year, also stages in Portugal, Sardegna and Spain; plus top 3 times on other WRC rallies.
Plenty have won stages when leaders and all positions have safe gaps and cruising.
Unfortunately Mads the only he can do,is to hope for others drivers offs and mechanical problems.He cant fight even in snow.

[seb_sh]

Again this discussion about Ostberg being slow. Yes we all know, he has been like this for years. So? Do you see many drivers that can do better, be faster and not crash? Except for a few new up and coming young guys in WRC2 I don't see many.

[Zeakiwi]

[QUOTE=er88;1088891]Are all Belgian's flakey and mentally weak ;)?

a) Belgian Motocrossers have been some of the all time great motocross riders.
1) Send Neuville to a few Belgian motocross training camps.
2)Look for potential Belgian rally drivers amongst the top Belgian motocross riders - that have the fitness, physical hardness, mental toughness, quick reflexes etc to make a good driver. (similar to the rider to driver transition Peterhansel did with the Dakar Rally)
b) Look through the Belgian Special forces for a rally driver - evasive driving etc is usually part of the anti-terrorist/ anti-kidnapping/ vip protection training program.

[dimviii]

Again this discussion about Ostberg being slow. Yes we all know, he has been like this for years. So? .

so he has to stop the excuses.


Neuville stops after a watersplash
https://youtu.be/dqKeWl73REA


Eurolamp day 1 video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OiGeAiPnOuw

MICHELIN Motorsport ‏@michelin_sport

#Tyre information: all Michelin #WRC drivers with 5 LTX Force S5 #RallyArgentina

[dimviii]

Ogier safely through ss 10.Average speed 117,1 km/h fastest stage till now.

[dimviii]

Paddon -5,8 at midstage! Lets see Latvala now.

[EightGear]

Oh hell yeah Hayden!!

[AL14]

Becsy is getting wet on Paddon

[USER47]

Paddon second overall again. Great time on last stage 7,7 seconds faster than Ogier. And Neuville is picking up pace it seems. Not that it really matters at this point.

[dimviii]

Tanak coming with fast splits.His fiesta seems faster than Ostbergs one.

[Mintexmemory]

Fantastic time from Ott

[Oliverk]

Tanak coming with fast splits.His fiesta seems faster than Ostbergs one.

As he is good mechanic so probably fixed all the faults with Ford himself on the way to stage. Even the slower tires.

[dimviii]

Tanak 3rd time with fiesta,faster from Ogier Mikkelsen with DMACKS. http://www.petrolheads.gr/images/smilies/smooth/laughat.gif

[EstWRC]

What a time by Tänak! He needs to get in Hyundai instead of Neuville and we have a dream team, Paddon- Tänak. At least I would have :)

[EstWRC]

Tänak: "We tried our best but my side window is opening and directing a strong wind onto my face."

Lol

[janvanvurpa]

He needs to drive with a cougar in the back..

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That's right. He needs to face his fear, and nothin is scarier than a live cougar in the car...

[satukata]

what´s wrong? SS should be live

[dimviii]

Sat 10:08 - SS11: Delay
The stage has been delayed. Ogier is still on the start line. More news soon.

Sat 09:54 - Stage info: SS11
Los Gigantes - Cantera El Condor 1, 38.68km. Los Gigantes has previously hosted the Dakar Rally. It covers barren and remote territory as it peaks at 1912 metres after 12.40km of climbing from the start on bumpy, sandy roads. After reaching the top, the stage becomes fast and flowing on a clay surface, with few reference points in the wide open environment. There are plenty of cows, horses and sheep roaming the hills and fog is a distinct possibility.

[dimviii]

sunny weather at El Condor
Lets see if the 38,68km stage will have any surprises.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cgurv8wWMAAkbYl.jpg:large

[dimviii]

VolkswagenMotorsport ‏@VolkswagenRally

SS11 will get underway in 1 minute

[stefanvv]

Lets see if the 38,68km stage will have any surprises.

You hope Ostberg to attack?

[EightGear]

Splits looking gooooood.

[dimviii]

wtf???????

Rally Argentina @rallyargentina
A spectator died from causes that are trying to establish through a judicial inquiry. Reason for which
the organization decided to delay the start of SS11 the giants Cantera Condor for operating the transfer of the body.

[dimviii]

Sat 10:37 - SS11: Paddon vs Ogier
Paddon 11.4sec up on Ogier at the 20km split!

[USER47]

Ogier is pretty slow, almost everyone is faster than him. I would expect him to push hard to get ahead of Paddon...

[EightGear]

It remains unbelievable that we're having to listen to some extremely crappy radio reception to get a sense of following this rally 'live.'

Radio cutting out right when Paddon is talking.

We're in 2016 guys!

[USER47]

Yeah, the quality of coverage of such an event is pretty embarassing.:/

[satukata]

why radio is so bad and livetv is perfect?

[dodge33cymru]

Is it just me that the WRC Radio on the app (Android, Nexus 4) cuts out for once every couple of minutes? Needs to be on TuneIn......

[Mintexmemory]

Ogier is pretty slow, almost everyone is faster than him. I would expect him to push hard to get ahead of Paddon...

Ogier is ensuring 15 points plus the chance to boost to 18 in the PS - he knows to stay ahead of Paddon and JML while road cleaning here requires no margin for error, so he is going to ensure there is not a DNF. The man has a brain as well as his natural gift. If he continues to take 3rd places it will be a long time before anyone can catch him in the championship.

[dimviii]

SS11: WRC 2 Al-Kuwari - WRC tracking system shows the WRC 2 leader stopped at 14.68km

[dimviii]

Sat 11:00 - SS11: WRC 2 Evans
WRC tracking shows him stopped at the 23.7km point

[dimviii]

SS11: WRC 2 Al-Kuwari - WRC tracking system shows the WRC 2 leader stopped at 14.68km

Sat 11:03 - Correction: SS11: WRC 2 Al Suwaidi
stopped at 14.68km. He was 7th in WRC 2.

[satukata]

Great to see the speed of hyundai boys. Great fight!!

[EstWRC]

SS11: OSTBERG
7.8sec slower than Ogier. "I pushed really hard because this is my favourite stage of the rally. We put a lot of energy into our recce for this one. A very good stage for us


Lol, really?

[N.O.T]

I think Ogier cannot win this by driving alone anymore, but Latvala is Latvala so we will have to wait.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

SS11: OSTBERG
7.8sec slower than Ogier. "I pushed really hard because this is my favourite stage of the rally. We put a lot of energy into our recce for this one. A very good stage for us


Lol, really?

Ostberg only 4 sec slower then Ogier.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Ogier is ensuring 15 points plus the chance to boost to 18 in the PS - he knows to stay ahead of Paddon and JML while road cleaning here requires no margin for error, so he is going to ensure there is not a DNF. The man has a brain as well as his natural gift. If he continues to take 3rd places it will be a long time before anyone can catch him in the championship.

"Really good loop. I'm happy with what I've done."

So Ogier also 'happy' with his slower time, knowing when he has to just drive for the points.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Evans in his R5 matching Camilli's times. :D

[Mirek]

He did in SS9 but lost another 2 minutes to other WRC2 drivers in SS10.

[USER47]

I think Camilli is doing fine. He can't afford to have problems again, so he's taking it slow and safe, which is what he has to do. Neuville will get ahead, but he still can take Solberg and keep decent 8th place.

edit: 9th place, forgot Ligato...

[Oliverk]

I think Camilli is doing fine. He can't afford to have problems again, so he's taking it slow and safe, which is what he has to do. Neuville will get ahead, but he still can take Solberg and keep decent 8th place.

edit: 9th place, forgot Ligato...

No future in WRC if this is fine in anyones mind from factory driver.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

I think Camilli is doing fine. He can't afford to have problems again, so he's taking it slow and safe, which is what he has to do. Neuville will get ahead, but he still can take Solberg and keep decent 8th place.

edit: 9th place, forgot Ligato...

Wilson let go two men who have WRC level experience and brings in one that clearly needs it.

[USER47]

It was a gamble and I guess everybody now knows Camilli isn't new Ogier, but the current goal is probably getting through the contract with the least possible amount of embarrassment:).

[Fast Eddie WRC]

He did in SS9 but lost another 2 minutes to other WRC2 drivers in SS10.

Another stage win for Elfyn Evans in the WRC2 category through SS12.

[Mirek]

Yes but the point was that winning a stage by few seconds means nothing when You loose minutes elsewhere. In this moment Evans is nearly 50 minutes down and nobody in front needs to care about him. He is for sure by far the best driver of those who came to Argentina but sadly what we can see now from him says nothing either about him or others.

[EstWRC]

SAT 11:52 - SS12: TANAK
"The morning has been good. Trying to carry on where we left off yesterday. Not taking risks but trying to match Mads."

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Yes but the point was that winning a stage by few seconds means nothing when You loose minutes elsewhere. In this moment Evans is nearly 50 minutes down and nobody in front needs to care about him. He is for sure by far the best driver of those who came to Argentina but sadly what we can see now from him says nothing either about him or others.

I didnt start this about the WRC2, I said he was matching Camilli's times.

[Rallyper]

Ostberg only 4 sec slower then Ogier.

So either Ogier is slow or Ostberg fast. What should it be Dimviii? ;)

[Mirek]

I didnt start this about the WRC2, I said he was matching Camilli's times.

OK, he was in SS9.

[N.O.T]

Ostberg was is and will remain nothing, he had a few good events in the past in a ford when none was challenging Ogier and thats it. He is here because daddy pays.

[dimviii]

So either Ogier is slow or Ostberg fast. What should it be Dimviii? ;)

of course Ostberg is slow.Didnt you know it?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CgvJWvqWsAA-9N0.jpg

[RAS007]

of course Ostberg is slow.Didnt you know it?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CgvJWvqWsAA-9N0.jpg


If this was the Premier League, or La Liga, or Eredivisie etc, M-Sport would be relegated at the end of the season.

[tommeke_B]

If this was the Premier League, or La Liga, or Eredivisie etc, M-Sport would be relegated at the end of the season.

Well, in WRC there aren't so many manufacturers waiting to join as there are football-teams who want to join the big leagues... ;)

[Rallyper]

Ostberg only 4 sec slower then Ogier.

4 secs to Ogier making him slow?

[N.O.T]

4 secs to Ogier making him slow?

No, but 3 minutes behind the top after 1.5 days does... he is nothing.

[dimviii]

Sat 13:49 - SS13 start time
Ogier due to start at 1417hrs.

Sat 13:48 - Itinerary delay
The earlier delay remains so this afternoon's schedule is running 20 minutes late.

[N.O.T]

Sat 13:49 - SS13 start time
Ogier due to start at 1417hrs.

Sat 13:48 - Itinerary delay
The earlier delay remains so this afternoon's schedule is running 20 minutes late.

i was a bit worried that we might finally have a rally argentina without a fuck up from the organisers...

[dimviii]

MICHELIN Motorsport ‏@michelin_sport

#tyre info: VW: 5 LTX Force Soft
Neuville: 3H+2S
Paddon/Sordo: 2H+3S
Ostberg: 4H+1S
Camilli: 6S
#wrc #RallyArgentina

[dimviii]

i was a bit worried that we might finally have a rally argentina without a fuck up from the organisers...

20min delay at previous stages was from a mans death that they had to move out of stage,so NOT their fault.
Now after service cant understant why they still have the 20 min delay though.

[Rallyper]

So VW´s on soft and Ostberg on hard. Havent followed but other loops?

[dimviii]

So VW´s on soft and Ostberg on hard. Havent followed but other loops?

everybody had same tyre at morning stages (LTX soft)

[dimviii]

Tanaks fiesta fast at splits

[EstWRC]

Tänak just +2.9 in the end...amazing performance today, not just this stage, the whole day so far

[samWRC]

Ligato is also driving really well.

[dimviii]

Fuchs new leader

Sat 15:06 - SS13: WRC 2 Al-Kuwari
He completes with the loss of more than 9min and his car looking battered. "We rolled after a 90 degree left-hander. It took us a long time to get the car back. Then we had a flat tyre and now we have only two-wheel drive. I cannot believe my luck." The time loss drops him from 1st to 3rd in class.

[N.O.T]

when you see people like fuchs and al kawari who cannot even tie their shoes straight to fight for wins then you realise that the farce of WRC2 must stop.

[Rallyper]

when you see people like fuchs and al kawari who cannot even tie their shoes straight to fight for wins then you realise that the farce of WRC2 must stop.

So atm you don´t see a proper WRC and WRC2 competition mostly depending on drivers standard? How do you like it to be and how do you think your high standards should be possible to fulfill so we could have a proper championship?

[N.O.T]

WRC is fine more or less, WRC2 is not needed.

[N.O.T]

Did Ogier disable his GPS again ? LOL

[stefanvv]

I see him moving on wrc+ maps

[Arnold Triyudho Wardono]

WRC is fine more or less, WRC2 is not needed.
Yeah, because we already have regional championships (ERC) & national championships (BRC)

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[Lundefaret]

WRC 2
If it is going to be made in to a real series, and especially a real feeder series, it has to take in account the cost side.

WRC 2 has great potential, as we especially saw in Sweden, and we know how many R5s there are out there.
So we now there is a lot of R5s, and we now there is a lot of young talent - so how combine the two in to a real WRC 2 championship?

In my belief cost and logistics are the two main important things. The third thing is to decide if it is going to be mainly factory backed, or if it also can be run with privateer teams (Im talking of fighting for wins.)

Regarding cost, there are two things (there are more, but these are the first two things to spring to mind) that can, and I say CAN be done:
- Make it Europe only. Because the fly aways present a logistical cost that only the very rich can handle.
- Take away the friday. So its only two days. Because running that many kilometres in one weekend is to much for most teams, and even most drivers. And it would cut cost and logistics down a whole lot.

But this is off topic :)

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cgv2UJZWkAAzNZF.jpg


El Condor

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CgvymccWYAAifzz.jpg:large

[USER47]

Latvala in troubles.:-o

[denkimi]

off so it seems. go paddon!