Wrc Argentina 2016

[dimviii]

SS14: Latvala - WRC tracking system shows Latvala stopped. He went off at the 21km point. #WRC

[dimviii]

cant believe that its an off.....oh my God...

[HaCo]

A Hyundai in the lead, virtually...

[satukata]

[QUOTE=dimviii;1089017]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cgv2UJZWkAAzNZF.jpg

where you find your splits? i want too :)

[N.O.T]

Time for papa Latvala to put the hand in his pocket for his incompetent son once more i guess...

[dimviii]

with 55 km stages for Sunday and 34 sec difference from Ogier,seems that its time for Paddons first win. Well deserved of course.

[Mintexmemory]

Well that is unfortunate but still a long way to go!!

[USER47]

N.O.T: Is there anyone at all who you consider to be competent?:-D

[dimviii]

where you find your splits? i want too :)

twited from Latvalas twitter.But its just this photo.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

I have no personal affection for Ostberg. The reasons I defend him are:

1. He's in a non-factory team against the might and money of VW, Hyundai
2. His car is therefore the oldest & least developed
3. He has no proper team-mate to help score points
4. He has shown speed and some good results in the recent past for Ford & Citroen
5. He's a consistent points scorer and experienced in WRC (that's why he's at M-Sport)

[stefanvv]

Yeah, Latvala seems to give it to Paddon. I wouldn't mind....

[Mintexmemory]

Time for papa Latvala to put the hand in his pocket for his incompetent son once more i guess...

You should be in the 'Jumping to conclusions' team for Rio

[N.O.T]

I have no personal affection for Ostberg. The reasons I defend him are:

1. He's in a non-factory team against the might and money of VW, Hyundai
2. His car is therefore the oldest & least developed
3. He has no proper team-mate to help score points
4. He has shown speed and some good results in the recent past for Ford & Citroen
5. He's a consistent points scorer and experienced in WRC (that's why he's at M-Sport)

you try too hard kid... give it a rest.

[N.O.T]

N.O.T: Is there anyone at all who you consider to be competent?:-D

Paddon... LOL

[EightGear]

Meh, JML will you ever learn?

Mixed feelings, but how awesome would a Paddon win be!?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Noooo Latvala... not again. :(

[Fast Eddie WRC]

you try too hard kid... give it a rest.

I am right though. Mads just doing his job as per Wilson's request.

.. now picks up another place thanks to JML.

[HaCo]

A win for Hyundai would be great for the WRC!

[stefanvv]

The strange thing is seems Paddon gave up the fight on this stage before Latvala offs.

[HaCo]

Pitty Paddon is not nominated. I would prefer the old system: first 2 cars of manufactures score points.

[HaCo]

Wonder if Sordo will try to catch Mikkelsen?

[N.O.T]

70kms to go.... can Paddon do it ?

[Mariusz]

The strange thing is seems Paddon gave up the fight on this stage before Latvala offs.
Did he? He won the stage, doesn't look like giving up.

[dimviii]

The strange thing is seems Paddon gave up the fight on this stage before Latvala offs.

what?

[HaCo]

70kms to go.... can Paddon do it ?

Today he should try to find some more seconds from Ogier and try to 'control' tomorrow.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Tough situation for me.. like Paddon, hate Hyundai...

[stefanvv]

Pitty Paddon is not nominated. I would prefer the old system: first 2 cars of manufactures score points.

he is, Neuville isn't I believe

[Mintexmemory]

Today he should try to find some more seconds from Ogier and try to 'control' tomorrow.

Ogier won't push and risk losing a certain second place - this will just increase the gap at in the championship

[Eli]

Noooo Latvala... not again. :(

honestly he never wins 2 rallies in a row..so..no surprises there...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

SS14: NEUVILLE
"I saw Jari-Matti's car. It looks like a huge crash. I hope they are both okay."

[N.O.T]

Tough situation for me.. like Paddon, hate Hyundai...

whats wrong with hyundai ?

[stefanvv]

Did he? He won the stage, doesn't look like giving up.

I'm looking at the second split, we don't have much for Paddon

[dimviii]

70kms to go.... can Paddon do it ?

imho he can. Big difference for remaining kms,and now Ogier doesnt need to win,with points difference he has.

[Mintexmemory]

whats wrong with hyundai ?

Apart from the Boss looking like an Oompa Loompa?

[Eli]

he is, Neuville isn't I believe

Paddon isn't nominated here, he will be in Portugal though, hopefully he'll be able to keep this momentum

[HaCo]

Paddon isn't nominated here, he will be in Portugal though, hopefully he'll be able to keep this momentum

He (Paddon) has number #20, that's why I also think he is not nominated.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

whats wrong with hyundai ?

Korean-based, huge multi-national, shit road cars.

[N.O.T]

Korean, huge multi-national, shit road cars.

you hate them because of nationality and because they provide the world with services ? LOL...

[HaCo]

Korean-based, huge multi-national, shit road cars.

It's a team who competes in WRC, all the rest doesn't matter.

[ik1911]

Great run for Ligato!

[Mintexmemory]

Ever driven an i20? You get what you pay for, excellent value for the money compared to most European cars

[focus206]

wow, Latvala... I'm not surprised, but I feel like to say wow. Just checked on ewrc-results, he has never won 2 WRC rounds in a row indeed...

[stefanvv]

Paddon isn't nominated here, he will be in Portugal though, hopefully he'll be able to keep this momentum


ok, I'm thinking for Portugal I guess.

[HaCo]

Still no news from Latvala, hope they are OK!!!

[Mintexmemory]

Well my Pickem is looking good with the 1-2 correct but I need Ligato in 8th!!!

[Mariusz]

I'm looking at the second split, we don't have much for Paddon
Paddon had 2 hard tires in the front vs Latvala's 2 softs.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

you hate them because of nationality ...

People who eat dogs and trade in endangered species for starters. But this is off topic.

[Leon]

I prefer the Hyundai than the shit VW Golf I had...

Sent from my SM-J500FN using Tapatalk

[HaCo]

Next stage is running...

[dimviii]

Evans stopped

[N.O.T]

People who eat dogs and trade in endangered species for starters. But this is off topic.

what is the difference between a dog and a cow ?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Ever driven an i20? You get what you pay for, excellent value for the money compared to most European cars

Boring cars like washing machines.

[stefanvv]

Still no news from Latvala, hope they are OK!!!

wrc.com reported they are

[stefanvv]

Paddon had 2 hard tires in the front vs Latvala's 2 softs.

ah, ok it makes sense the time to warm them up

[dimviii]

Solberg and Neuville talking about a big crash.Both ok though reported from wrc twitter

[ik1911]

Great run for Ligato!

[EightGear]

Boring cars like washing machines.
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160423/64a929c3fd6b819459842599ffeff226.jpg

[Fast Eddie WRC]

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160423/64a929c3fd6b819459842599ffeff226.jpg

That was quite funky when it came out 20 years ago.

[dimviii]

Sat 16:10 - SS14: WRC 2 Evans
He completes one minute behind Fuchs. He stopped to change another puncture.

[N.O.T]

Next stage is on lets hope Paddon keeps cool and then we can all have Lassie for dinner.

[Mintexmemory]

In 2009 I said Breen and Abbring would reach the top and I still expect both to make an impact soon.
In 2010 I was impressed with Paddon and Tanak and I recall arguing on this forum that Paddon was the more likely to succeed in WRC. Hope this doesn't Jinx him!!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Ever driven an i20? You get what you pay for, excellent value for the money compared to most European cars

Great, buy one and help kill the Euro car industry and put our people on the dole as their workers work for peanuts.

[Mintexmemory]

what is the difference between a dog and a cow ?

Who ever heard of a dogboy?

[N.O.T]

In 2009 I said Breen and Abbring would reach the top and I still expect both to make an impact soon.
In 2010 I was impressed with Paddon and Tanak and I recall arguing on this forum that Paddon was the more likely to succeed in WRC. Hope this doesn't Jinx him!!

have you considered tennis? its not that bad...

[Mintexmemory]

Great, buy one and help kill the Euro car industry and put our people on the dole as their workers work for peanuts.

What Euro car industry??? State subsidised France? Japanese dominated UK? VAG emissions fiddlers?

[Mintexmemory]

have you considered tennis? its not that bad...

Have you ever considered becoming a Trappist?

[stefanvv]

Great, buy one and help kill the Euro car industry and put our people on the dole as their workers work for peanuts.

If they (Koreans) can "buy" competent engineers from Europe to make their cars better, then I guess they are doing something better, but I don't know what is it

[Oliverk]

Great, buy one and help kill the Euro car industry and put our people on the dole as their workers work for peanuts.

You do know that Korea is not China?

[N.O.T]

Have you ever considered becoming a Trappist?

yes.

[N.O.T]

You do know that Korea is not China?

probably not.

[Eli]

wow, Latvala... I'm not surprised, but I feel like to say wow. Just checked on ewrc-results, he has never won 2 WRC rounds in a row indeed...

told ya...on a different note, hope Paddon wins tommorow and I wanted to ask, when was the last time a New-Zealander won a WRC round?

[Mintexmemory]

yes.

How was the viva voce?

[Mk2 RS2000]

You do know that Korea is not China?
And the difference between the two countries of North Korea and South Korea

[N.O.T]

How was the viva voce?

exciting.

[stefanvv]

told ya...on a different note, hope Paddon wins tommorow and I wanted to ask, when was the last time a New-Zealander won a WRC round?

I thought it might be Possum Bourne, but it isn't. May be - never?

[Mk2 RS2000]

told ya...on a different note, hope Paddon wins tommorow and I wanted to ask, when was the last time a New-Zealander won a WRC round?

Never been done.

[N.O.T]

I do not think Lassie will get away with it... GO PADDON !!! GO HYUNDAI !!!

[TWRC]

Let's hope Paddon wins, he'd deserve it for all the work he's been putting in for a long time now. As far as Latvala goes... nothing new, he'll always be the same. Problem is that as long as Ogier (and some others) is here, he's not consistently fast or consistent enough at all.

[dimviii]

so 29,8 sec for 55,28 kms.What do you think guys?

[Mintexmemory]

I thought it might be Possum Bourne, but it isn't. May be - never?

Behave!!!

[EightGear]

so 29,8 sec for 55,28 kms.What do you think guys?
He can afford to lose 0,5 sec. per km, should be fine in theory.

[Mintexmemory]

so 29,8 sec for 55,28 kms.What do you think guys?

Depends on tyres left in the bank but if Paddon can close out today with an increase and not lose too much on 1st stage tomorrow then I'm hopeful - I still think Ogier won't push

[N.O.T]

so 29,8 sec for 55,28 kms.What do you think guys?

It is going to be hell... Ogier will have visual on the braking points of Paddon tomorrow.

[Eli]

gonna be intresting for once anyhow...

[Mk2 RS2000]

Great, buy one and help kill the Euro car industry and put our people on the dole as their workers work for peanuts.

Check a bit of the recent history of your own country. Once you had a great auto industry check what happened to that and why.

[dimviii]

have we got any photo, from Latvalas off?

[dimviii]

He can afford to lose 0,5 sec. per km, should be fine in theory.

imho i think same as you,if he havent got any problems.
Paddon very close to write history.

[stefanvv]

Behave!!!


what's wrong with Possum Bourne?

[COD]

Latvala did it again. Well my pickems prove, that I predicted something like this...

[N.O.T]

imho i think same as you,if he havent got any problems.
Paddon very close to write history.

By driving it cannot be done, but when you have Ogier behind you all it takes is a spin and that 30 seconds become 10 in one stage. I think if the difference is above 20 seconds after the first stage Paddon will do it.

[Mariusz]

It is going to be hell... Ogier will have visual on the braking points of Paddon tomorrow.
Ogier will be going before Paddon.

[Mintexmemory]

what's wrong with Possum Bourne?

Local hero who didn't travel well - Bit like an antipodean Gwyndaff

[N.O.T]

Ogier will be going before Paddon.

Indeed... so its going to be an extra advantage for Paddon.

[EstWRC]

so if my calculations are right Paddon will be second in the championship with 54 points?

[N.O.T]

Latvalas attempt to turn a Polo WRC into an old design Opel corsa.

[stefanvv]

Local hero who didn't travel well - Bit like an antipodean Gwyndaff

No idea what You talk about. Anyway he seems to be the most famous from there, as far as I know.

[stefanvv]

so if my calculations are right Paddon will be second in the championship with 54 points?

Big jump from 5th to 2nd. But he can gain more

[Mk2 RS2000]

Local hero who didn't travel well - Bit like an antipodean Gwyndaff

Not quite, he never got the opportunity to compete in Europe until the final year of his life, He was loyal to Subaru and they had a couple of real hot shots doing the business in Europe during those years. Had there been something like the Pirelli championship that brought Mark Tapper and Hayden to the European side of the WRC scene in earlier years then I am quite confident that you would have seen a number of top line Kiwi drivers over there as young competitors, Possum included.

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CgwG1IiW4AU2Y1C.jpg

[AL14]

I will not comment Latvala because as a fan I could regret my words right now. Let's hope Paddon wins this and keep improving througout the season...

[EstWRC]

im not commenting Latvala either...Paddon will win it for sure, he deserves it so much, i didnt expect him to be so fast at this rally

[Rallyper]

However comments if you weren´t there is worthless. No one but the guys in the car knows what happened and what caused the off. Until then no comments needed.

[N.O.T]

However comments if you weren´t there is worthless. No one but the guys in the car knows what happened and what caused the off. Until then no comments needed.

maybe the car decided it cannot live like this anymore and took a stand.

[dimviii]

Hayden Paddon ‏@HaydenPaddon

Wow what a day, 3 stage wins and leading the rally by 30sec to @SebOgier going into the final day. Big push tomorrow

[Munkvy]

Go Paddon! All of little old NZ is behind you!

[Mariusz]

Latvala's comment by rally-base.com: "The plan tomorrow? To go home. I have fought hard all weekend. Sometimes it's hard for people to see that. It's been too long with this disadvantage."
He is right about the fighting, but is he saying he wants to quit?

[N.O.T]

Latvala's comment by rally-base.com: "The plan tomorrow? To go home. I have fought hard all weekend. Sometimes it's hard for people to see that. It's been too long with this disadvantage."
He is right about the fighting, but is he saying he wants to quit?

He seems that the real fight is with himself all these painful years...

what he means by disadvantage ?

[Francis44]

I hope Paddon wins, he sure deserves it. However I think Ogier will give him a run for his money, he hasn't won this rally before and you could hear in his words that troubles him a little bit, and he knows there is no proper contender to fight with him for the title so he may aswell go for ir.

[Kalm]

Latvala's comment by rally-base.com: "The plan tomorrow? To go home. I have fought hard all weekend. Sometimes it's hard for people to see that. It's been too long with this disadvantage."
He is right about the fighting, but is he saying he wants to quit?

Ogier said that, not Latvala !

[Mariusz]

Ogier said that, not Latvala !
A LOL then :D

[N.O.T]

Ogier said that, not Latvala !

yes that would explain the disadvantage comment and i doubt latvala reached the end to give interviews.

[stefanvv]

Latvala's comment by rally-base.com: "The plan tomorrow? To go home. I have fought hard all weekend. Sometimes it's hard for people to see that. It's been too long with this disadvantage."
He is right about the fighting, but is he saying he wants to quit?

That is Ogier's comment after today, just watched ss10 onboards, it is frustrating how big the disadvantage is.

[focus206]

I think Paddon can do it tomorrow... I'm not sure Ogier will risk too much to get the win.

[denkimi]

That is Ogier's comment after today, just watched ss10 onboards, it is frustrating how big the disadvantage is.

not that big, considering he still has 2nd place.

[stefanvv]

not that big, considering he still has 2nd place.

I'm watching the driving, not comparing with the rest of the field.

[Lundefaret]

So lets all agree to this - even N.O.T ;)
We can talk about regulations, etc etc, but all WRC needs to be really interesting again is some proper fights for the victory. :)

[Mirek]

Yes, let's hope that Paddon can fight the VW boys everywhere from now on. I have to say I'm also positively surprised with Hyundai speed here in those high altitudes.

[GravelBen]

I thought it might be Possum Bourne, but it isn't. May be - never?

I think Possum's best was 3rd with a number of top 5 placings, as has been said he never got many chances to compete outside NZ/OZ/APRC.

Top Kiwi WRC placing prior to Paddon arriving on the scene would be Rod Millen with a 2nd place in the Mazda 323.

[olemann]

Fun and see that people who start a little low on the list may prove good at result today. But it gets worse for each round and finally we see it all means starting position as Ogier have claimed all along.

[stefanvv]

So lets all agree to this - even N.O.T ;)
We can talk about regulations, etc etc, but all WRC needs to be really interesting again is some proper fights for the victory. :)


You don't believe '17 regulations would provide this. FIA thinks so.

[bluuford]

Hi boys and girls.. I am finally "properly" back from Australia, Great Barrier Reef and now back from Austria :) Had some filedwork to do and some conferences. I was following rally "slightly" for over a month and a half and this forum has been relly good to read all the information, unfortunately no possibility to post :/
I did some half-weather-prediction also for the rally and it seems that it worked..
Anyway, tomorrow we are having cold day where you should have soft tyres, on the mountains, the temperature should be +4..+6 degrees only and some light fog kind of rain might appear early in the morning. Weather should be mostly cloudy. And this rally has really narrow escape as the temperature is expected to drop as low as -4..-5 tomorrow evening and heavy snowfall is expected. Total accumulation on top of El Condor can be 20 cm of snow :) So, who stay longer, take your skis :P Snofall should start at around 7-8 in the evening :)

[Zeakiwi]

The other Kiwi drivers to have 2nd places (with Rod Millen) were Blair Robson (2nd to Hannu Mikkola on the 1979 Rally NZ) and Ray Wilson (2nd 1988 Rally NZ)
Possum Bourne's best was 3rd in 1987 (Rally NZ) behind Franz Wittmann and Kenneth Eriksson.
I rate Bourne's Asia Pacific title in 2000 as a privateer team on a small budget as a top effort, running a car with high cost active differentials. Asia is not an easy place to rally, one of the mechanics got legionaires one year. http://www.ewrc-results.com/profile.php?p=1210&t=Peter-Possum-Bourne
Paddon said it had taken about $4 million (NZ dollars?) about ($2million Euros) of his own sourced funding before he got behind a Hyundai steering wheel(?)

[N.O.T]

However comments if you weren´t there is worthless. No one but the guys in the car knows what happened and what caused the off. Until then no comments needed.

seems like the problem was the component between the seat and the steering wheel... as always, maybe it needs replacement.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-Jpt92dJ9M

[Francis44]

Atleast the car stood straight this time so they got out easy (－‸ლ).

[Zeakiwi]

Did the steering on Latvala's car break hitting the rock in the ground?
edit - suspension through bonnet leading to crash

[janvanvurpa]

I think Possum's best was 3rd with a number of top 5 placings, as has been said he never got many chances to compete outside NZ/OZ/APRC.

Top Kiwi WRC placing prior to Paddon arriving on the scene would be Rod Millen with a 2nd place in the Mazda 323.

Was thinking of mentioning Millen...or Roddy as strangers seem comelled to call him like their besty mates.

But Millens a odd one..I understand he went to Britain in the 70s and was doing Group 1 stuff is some car called an Ex-squirt or sumpin.. Then I don't know where but then by very early 80s he was settled in some snazzy Los Angeles suburb and fighting a brave fight with the only American ever to do anything worth a damn in Rally, John Buffum.. And great driving it was.. Beautiful how he danced the RX7 (that was all Escort Group 4 stuff but the body and engine) Now I guess he's back in New Zealand but 30 years in 'Merikuh, I dunno...Still a Kiwi or a California boy? (I reckon still a Ned Zedder cause when I last ran into him he still had a wicked quick sense of humor and well developed sarcasm--something unheard of in California cause that would "like...harsh their mellow, man" )

[KiwiWRCfan]

It is going to be hell... Ogier will have visual on the braking points of Paddon tomorrow.

N.O.T. how does Ogier get a visual on Paddon's braking points tomorrow ?

[Mk2 RS2000]

Was thinking of mentioning Millen...or Roddy as strangers seem comelled to call him like their besty mates.

But Millens a odd one..I understand he went to Britain in the 70s and was doing Group 1 stuff is some car called an Ex-squirt or sumpin.. Then I don't know where but then by very early 80s he was settled in some snazzy Los Angeles suburb and fighting a brave fight with the only American ever to do anything worth a damn in Rally, John Buffum.. And great driving it was.. Beautiful how he danced the RX7 (that was all Escort Group 4 stuff but the body and engine) Now I guess he's back in New Zealand but 30 years in 'Merikuh, I dunno...Still a Kiwi or a California boy? (I reckon still a Ned Zedder cause when I last ran into him he still had a wicked quick sense of humor and well developed sarcasm--something unheard of in California cause that would "like...harsh their mellow, man" )

You can find Rod here, nothings changed still the same as ever. http://www.leadfootfestival.com/

[GravelBen]

seems like the problem was the component between the seat and the steering wheel... as always, maybe it needs replacement.


Why do you even bother posting if you're going to talk rubbish? Or do you think the front right strut is betweeen the seat and the steering wheel, you can see pretty clearly what caused the crash here...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9w_vMvK3ZXo

[GigiGalliNo1]

It could have been Ogier! It could have been Paddon...

So say NOT, if it had happened to Ogier would the issue still be whats between the steering wheels and seat?

[dimviii]

this time seems wasnt Latvalas fault. Pitty for him.
Strange that strut went through the bonnet.Didnt see any big rock hitting from video,neither was a big cut.
But there is a big hit at 0,45 sec at this video.
https://youtu.be/X-Jpt92dJ9M

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CgyhomyWsAAnHD-.jpg

[dimviii]

borl day 2
https://youtu.be/PbuIVgRAb5M

[litifeta]

Have no idea what others are talking about or even Latvala. He drove off the road into a ditch, hit a bump which wrecked his strut and launched his car. WTF is he looking for on the other side of the road? he was on two wheels by the time he got over there, a thimble could have tripped him by that time.

[TWRC]

Why do you even bother posting if you're going to talk rubbish? Or do you think the front right strut is betweeen the seat and the steering wheel, you can see pretty clearly what caused the crash here...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9w_vMvK3ZXo
Hm, very unlucky, he didn't even cut the corner too deep. This one wasn't really his fault.

As far as the final day goes, the only battle might be for 6th. It would be a decent recovery for Neuville if he got it.

[dimviii]

"I was in a very fast section where there was a bit of bedrock on the road, and when we went over the bedrock suddenly the front-right top-mount broke and the damper came through the bonnet," he told wrc.com

"At that moment I couldn't steer the car any more, we went into a bank and we rolled."

Latvala, winner of the previous round in Mexico, could not explain why the top mount had come off.

"I'm really disappointed but I don't know what else I could have done," he said. "I had a good lead, it had been a controlled drive and I was in control on the stage. If I have to avoid every stone then we can go home - there is no point to come to the rally!

"You can't avoid every rock if you try to win. And this wasn't a loose rock, it was part of the road. I can't understand how it breaks. But that's how it is - very unlucky.

“My co-driver Miikka and I are both okay - that's the main thing. The car is very strong and I have to thank the team for that."

http://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/news/april-2016/latvala-saturday-crash-/page/3484--12-12-.html

[dimviii]

Have no idea what others are talking about or even Latvala. He drove off the road into a ditch, hit a bump which wrecked his strut and launched his car. WTF is he looking for on the other side of the road? he was on two wheels by the time he got over there, a thimble could have tripped him by that time.

you are talking about wrong corner,thats why.Suspension collapse was at previous left hand corner.

[bowler]

Big flat stone on right side, with two levels. Maybe 80mm difference in levels. Unlucky. I bet others went ovewr it without incident. Suggests that strut was going to fail anyway.

[dimviii]

Latvalas polo at service trying to fix it in time

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cgxm-fFW4AEXVjd.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cgxm-8QWIAA6EnW.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cgxm_ndWMAEElTG.jpg

[dimviii]

https://scontent-bru2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/13055059_10156894190725441_667965759781975272_o.jp g

[GigiGalliNo1]

You are clearly shown the bedrock on the road in the TV coverage

[dimviii]

bedrocks doesnt drive struts through bonnets.Except if it is about 20cm higher from road surface.
But something like that we havent see from video till now

[Barreis]

C'mon, guys, it's Latvala, he never won two rallies in the row. Some drivers find rocks while some others not...

[stefanvv]

you are talking about wrong corner,thats why.Suspension collapse was at previous left hand corner.

No, it was the right hand corner just before the left the car rolled.

[N.O.T]

It could have been Ogier! It could have been Paddon...

So say NOT, if it had happened to Ogier would the issue still be whats between the steering wheels and seat?

of course but in the case of Ogier it would have been a mistake... in the case of Latvala is a habbit.

[N.O.T]

So from all the competitors passing through that spot the car of a person who crashes every second event decided to fail on its own.... how convenient... and unlucky.

You know people Tennis is not that bad.

[stefanvv]

No, it was the right hand corner just before the left the car rolled.

Here are shots from highlights video, no bedrocks I guess just a sharp compression, on the first Paddon's:
953954

[dimviii]

No, it was the right hand corner just before the left the car rolled.

sorry i used wrong word by mistake.Yes was at right hand corner.

This is a photo from a massive bedrock at Acropolis 2011 with Latvala at photo. Nobody had any problem driving through that.

http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2011/wrc/gr/pe_a_26_latvala_21.jpg


Loeb

http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2011/wrc/gr/nk_a_30_loeb_6.jpg

Solberg

http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2011/wrc/gr/nk_a_30_solbergp_7.jpg

Ogier

http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2011/wrc/gr/nk_a_30_ogier_5.jpg

even s2000 cars
http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2011/wrc/gr/nk_a_263_alattiyah_1.jpg

[Rallyper]

That is Ogier's comment after today, just watched ss10 onboards, it is frustrating how big the disadvantage is.

So one could also say Ostberg on Hards have disadvantage. Must be. Before talking anything else.

[Rallyper]

seems like the problem was the component between the seat and the steering wheel... as always, maybe it needs replacement.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-Jpt92dJ9M

Too early comment in the light of what´s up lately.

[dimviii]

So one could also say Ostberg on Hards have disadvantage. Must be. Before talking anything else.

yes,the difference is that Ogier is 30 sec at 2nd position,and Ostberg is 3minutes and 46 sec slower from leader at 5th position.

[dimviii]

Here are shots from highlights video, no bedrocks I guess just a sharp compression, on the first Paddon's:
953954

from what can see till now,i cant imagine how this drove the strut through the bonnet.
Maybe a previous hard impact?

[N.O.T]

Maybe the strut came through the bonnet after the car rolled 10 times... maybe.

[dimviii]

Maybe the strut came through the bonnet after the car rolled 10 times... maybe.

strut was through bonnet before roll,watch the videos.

[Rallyper]

yes,the difference is that Ogier is 30 sec at 2nd position,and Ostberg is 3minutes and 46 sec slower from leader at 5th position.

Yes, that´s for sure. Handling disadvantage can be done in many different ways trying to score points.

[GigiGalliNo1]

Didn't the same thing happen to Mikkelsen before a Watersplash?

[SubaruNorway]

from what can see till now,i cant imagine how this drove the strut through the bonnet.
Maybe a previous hard impact?

Just watch the video's!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9w_vMvK3ZXo

He hit something quite hard the first time through as well around 11:05

[N.O.T]

From the helicam all i can see is that latvala lost the car after the small bump and to save it made a huge cut to the left hand side where he hit something causing the car to roll...

just saw the onboard... he hit a rock as usual.

[Mintexmemory]

yes,the difference is that Ogier is 30 sec at 2nd position,and Ostberg is 3minutes and 46 sec slower from leader at 5th position.

Slower than
Leading (or leader) from
Your English is great Dim but this one is confusing at times. Of course my Greek (apart from Metaxa) is non-existent!

But I agree with your point and how the hell did the hards get on Ostberg's wheels in the first place -fairies?

[Mirek]

An unfortunate accident for Latvala this time. Kind of Meeke's style, maybe because Kris wasn't there... :)

In my opinion the strut had to be damaged from some other incident which we don't see in this video. Otherwise it shall not collapse. That's for sure.

[dimviii]

Just watch the video's!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9w_vMvK3ZXo

He hit something quite hard the first time through as well around 11:05

i see tha impact at ,24 sec but cant see any rock at road line.Also car isnt at the edge of the road.
At this incar video,but with no comments(at previous posts) you can clearly listen the big hit and after the strut through the bonnet,but you cant see any rock at road.

[denkimi]

latvala just took a cut where he shouldn't have cut, thats why his strut broke and those of other drivers didn't.
on the heli-view you can see that he's driving next to the regular line.

[GravelBen]

There is a decent bump and bang as Paddon drives over the same piece of exposed rock on the line, but no damage. I watched Mikkelsen's onboard and didn't see it at all, it might not have been exposed until after a few cars had been through (or maybe I blinked at the wrong moment). One of the advantages of running first on the road for Ogier, smoother roads with less exposed rock to damage his car and tyres.

It could be that the top mount was already damaged from an earlier impact as Mirek suggests, or there could have just been an weakness in that part of the car which was revealed by that particular impact. We've seen similar top mount failures from the VWs on rough rallies before haven't we, Mikkelsen last year?

[Mintexmemory]

I watched Mikkelsen's onboard and didn't see it at all, it might not have been exposed until after a few cars had been through (or maybe I blinked at the wrong moment). One of the advantages of running first on the road for Ogier, smoother roads with less exposed rock to damage his car and tyres.
r?

Yes, but this was the second run so it should have been exposed from the previous morning passage.

[stefanvv]

from what can see till now,i cant imagine how this drove the strut through the bonnet.
Maybe a previous hard impact?

Here it is just a moment later:
955

[skarderud]

Ostberg has some engineissues for whole rally that does he hasn't maximum power. He also got "teamorder" that not to talk about it in the intervjues, that explain his weird statements at the stageendintervjus.
He is not next WDC, but not this slow eighter.

[dimviii]

Thierry Neuville ‏@thierryneuville

Last day of @rallyargentina ! Service is done and we are going now to SS16 "El Condor". The aim is the 6th position!

[EstWRC]

so, are wo going to see some drama today or not? i hope not. If Ogier takes 10 secs out of Paddon with first stage (which i doubt is impossible) then everything is open.

[Barreis]

Any link for power stage?

[dimviii]

MICHELIN Motorsport ‏@michelin_sport

#tyre info: All Michelin #WRC drivers with 5 LTX Force Soft except Latvala and Camilli with 6 S #wrc #RallyArgentina

[samWRC]

What is the weather out there in the stages?

[GravelBen]

What is the weather out there in the stages?

Live stage waiting to start looks pretty foggy!

[Micke_VOC]

Any link for power stage?
http://live.shwidget.com/static/freemovie/3718921456370350.html

[Micke_VOC]

http://live.shwidget.com/static/freemovie/3718921456370350.html

Already live now with first run in the stage i think...

[dimviii]

What is the weather out there in the stages?
El Condor Copina now
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cgzlue_WYAARww1.jpg


Btw, #WRCTV crews reporting 50 metre visibility at start of El Condor - low cloud/fog


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CgzoZW2WsAAoEBu.jpg

[denkimi]

latvala +20 already?

[dimviii]

for sure we will have surprises and big gaps.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CgzpYuzWMAAJ2IS.jpg

[stefanvv]

Tanak has been brave!

[dimviii]

Sun 09:24 - SS16: Tanak
He's through in 13m50.6s. "The last four or five kilometres are clear but at the beginning all I could see was the bonnet."

Sun 09:20 - Spectator update
Police estimate there are 65,000 spectators in El Condor

[AL14]

65k spectators in a single 12km stage is a huge number!! Hope everything will be allright with all this fog.

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cgzs14DWIAAi06B.jpg:large

[dimviii]

Sun 09:34 - SS16: Ostberg
He stopped at the 6.3km point. Moving again.

[N.O.T]

Judging from the times tanak got a relative clear run in the foggy part.

[dodge33cymru]

All credit, this footage is excellent; no pointless interviews, lots of mixed onboards and heli shots, great stage......

Maybe they'll put those in the later one, but thoroughly enjoying this.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Ostberg has some engine issues for whole rally that does he hasn't maximum power. He also got "team order" that not to talk about it in the interviews, that explain his weird statements at the stage end interviews. He is not next WDC, but not this slow either.

This is more like it.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Mads Østberg ‏@MadsOstberg
SS16 - 14.45.1 We were off the road. A misunderstanding inside the car. Had some good assistance from the spectators. Probably lost a minute.

[cosmin_sb]

first victory for Dmack tires?

[N.O.T]

similar pace by Paddon and Ogier on split 1.

[dimviii]

Mikkelsen had a spin,Osberg an off.Spectators helped him inside the road.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Great for DMack - congrats ! :)

[N.O.T]

22.4 the new gap...

[dimviii]

22,4 sec for 39 km now. Seems Paddon he can do it

[EstWRC]

:)....awesome

[Rallyper]

So now there´s not misadvantage going first on the road? Only when Ogier runs first?

[dimviii]

Paddon says the i20 #WRC has stalled it in a pair of forks. Bad time to engine failure.

[USER47]

Camilli did surprisingly nice time.:) He might get to the 7th place yet...

[dimviii]

So now there´s not misadvantage going first on the road? Only when Ogier runs first?

that stage (or part of it)had run twice yesterday if iam not mistaken. Maybe not so big cleaning at today pass.

[GravelBen]

So now there´s not misadvantage going first on the road? Only when Ogier runs first?

When Ogier isn't first on the road he complains about rocks from the first cars instead.

[dimviii]

Sun 09:56 - SS16: Paddon
He completes 7.4sec slower than Ogier. His rally lead now 22.4sec. "A terrible stage. Conditions are absolutely incredible and the engine stalled a couple of times when we were braking for hairpins. Once it took me five seconds to restart. It's something we'll have to work around.

[Eli]

and without anyone noticing, Neuville has climbed up to 6th...good manufacturer points if both he and Sordo can keep it on the road, and on that note, let's hope Paddon finishes the rally 1st...

[janvanvurpa]

Sun 09:24 - SS16: Tanak
He's through in 13m50.6s. "The last four or five kilometres are clear but at the beginning all I could see was the bonnet."
Sun 09:20 - Spectator update
Police estimate there are 65,000 spectators in El Condor

Yes but in my experience police always overestimate everything by at least 2x..:uhoh:
And they are men and we almost always also overestimate the size of things...
:bigcry:
So even accounting for these well known rigid facts, say there's 10,000 in one stage far away and up in the mountains---that's pretty crazy.
N'ext pas?

[Eli]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/123952/ogier-and-paddon-argue-over-running-order has anyone heard about this?

[rallyfiend]

and without anyone noticing, Neuville has climbed up to 6th...good manufacturer points if both he and Sordo can keep it on the road, and on that note, let's hope Paddon finishes the rally 1st...

Pity that he's earning for the Mobis team N, rather than the factory team.

[Eli]

Pity that he's earning for the Mobis team N, rather than the factory team.

yeah well hopefully he can keep up this momentum for Portugal and stay sharp and bag a handful of points there

[denkimi]

So now there´s not misadvantage going first on the road? Only when Ogier runs first?

there is, but it's not always there and its by far not as big as some would like to believe.

[dimviii]

first victory for Dmack tires?

DMACK Tyres ‏@DMACK_Tyres

Nice to see our old tyres going out on top @otttanak . Scratch in El Condor was our 2nd in WRC. 1st was in Spain 2012 with Novikov

[GravelBen]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/123952/ogier-and-paddon-argue-over-running-order has anyone heard about this?

Capito's quote cracks me up, suggesting that Ogier 'gets asked about one issue all day' instead of Ogier being the one that brings it up at the end of every single stage.

If the report is true (coming from Autosport you can't be too sure) then Paddon is probably just sick of the constant whining. It should be fairly well known that most Kiwis don't like whinges. ;)

[dimviii]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/123952/ogier-and-paddon-argue-over-running-order has anyone heard about this?

i am not surprised.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

DMack: Today is the end of an era, last WRC rally on our Chinese made tyres. From Portugal our tyres will be built in UK. :)

[bowler]

It is true

[Eli]

DMack: Today is the end of an era, last WRC rally on our Chinese made tyres. From Portugal our tyres will be built in UK. :)

Irony I believe it's called...

[dimviii]

so the underpowered and undeveloped fiesta with Dmacks win stages with Tanak,when Ogier and Paddon fight for the win.
Ah i forget that was 1st on road too.

[N.O.T]

so the underpowered and undeveloped fiesta with Dmacks win stages with Tanak,when Ogier and Paddon fight for the win.
Ah i forget that was 1st on road too.

it was due to the fog though... Ogier took around 10 seconds off on the clear section.

[dimviii]

“A terrible stage,” said Paddon. “Conditions are incredible and I couldn’t see anything at the top. Twice the car went into neutral when I changed down to first gear in hairpins and I had to reset before continuing. Now we’re aware of it, we’ll have to deal with it.”

Visibility changed constantly in the strong winds but Ogier, starting just three minutes earlier than Paddon was similarly affected in his Volkswagen Polo R.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Evans also setting great stage times in WRC2..

[dimviii]

it was due to the fog though... Ogier took around 10 seconds off on the clear section.

we dont know ''how much less'' fog had Tanak.Probably yes he had. But we saw from other stages too this weekend,that fiesta isnt underpowered nor undeveloped with Tanaks times at some stages.Was very near the top guys when they were fighting,and not cruising. All these with Dmacks...

[N.O.T]

Fiesta is crap, Tanak is the main difference.

[dimviii]

no its not crap.
http://www.ewrc-results.com/results.php?e=27493&s=108926&t=YPF-Rally-Argentina-2016

http://www.ewrc-results.com/results.php?e=27493&s=108929&t=YPF-Rally-Argentina-2016

http://www.ewrc-results.com/results.php?e=27493&s=108931&t=YPF-Rally-Argentina-2016

http://www.ewrc-results.com/results.php?e=27493&s=108932&t=YPF-Rally-Argentina-2016

[Mintexmemory]

Fiesta is crap, Tanak is the main difference.

With nothing to lose I suspect he is in Latvala zone. Anything can happen at any time. Still that's better than the team No1 being in Bertelli zone!

[N.O.T]

yes it is, otherwise Ostberg would have good times as well not only tanak.

[N.O.T]

Next stage is on.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Camilli up at Split 1 ?!

[USER47]

Yep, seems like he's getting confident and pushing for 7th place. I wonder if he crashes.:-D

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Mads is up now at Split 1 - 3.6s !

EDIT - All splits getting faster and faster...

[N.O.T]

Mads is up now at Split 1 - 3.6s !

you do realise that the guys you are excitied about are just cruising right ?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Ogier flying !!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

you do realise that the guys you are excitied about are just cruising right ?

Tanak cruising now ?

[Rallyper]

He will try, apparently. (Ogier that is)

[dimviii]

Mads is up now at Split 1 - 3.6s !

EDIT - All splits getting faster and faster...

Ogier -13,9sec at same split.

[Mirek]

Only Ogier and Paddon have something to fight for. The rest is pretty much in cruise mode.

[dimviii]

Wow -8,4 sec at 1st split Ogier from Paddon. Dogfight is on. Brace yourselves guys!!

[USER47]

Crap, Paddon is losing time hard.:/

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Paddon losing time....

[EightGear]

Shit.

[arko5]

Over 8 sec after 1 split.... Ogier will win...

[Lord_Shaitan]

Come on Ogier! Come on!

He's pushing like a hell!

[dimviii]

hope Paddon dont have any problems like last stage and see a proper fight

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Ogier, my God what a push.

[Mintexmemory]

Paddon appears to be on same pace as everyone else apart from Ogier who has decided to put on the pressure!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Mads Østberg ‏@MadsOstberg
SS17 - 19.08.4 "It was a good stage. Having big problems with the gear change, but I'm used to that.."

[Arnold Triyudho Wardono]

Fiesta is crap, Tanak is the main difference.
M-Sport should replaces Fiesta with Focus RS.

Sent from my A12 using Tapatalk

[Mirek]

M-Sport should replaces Fiesta with Focus RS.

What?

[N.O.T]

no second split for Paddon, is he moving ?

[dimviii]

missing a split from Paddon?

[MartijnS]

He is moving according to Radio.

[Christos Kolperiadis]

Yes but he is moving

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Paddon moving ok.

[dimviii]

3rd split appeared for Paddon

[MartijnS]

But not for Ogier haha..

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Mad gaps in the splits, just what we dont need... :(

[Mirek]

With some (bad)luck Sordo and Mikkelsen may swap their places in the last stage too. Another fight to follow.