Rally Portugal 2016

[MIBA Belgium]

Hello,

I am a new member here. I know it's a little early to discuss about Portugal yet, but I have already a few questions for this rally.

We went last year to rally Portugal, but we only saw 4 stages in the whole weekend.

Can some of the Portuguese guys here on the forum give me some tips, so that we can see more stages during the weekend?

Where can I find good maps?

Thanks for your answer.

[Andre Oliveira]

Same stages and layout of last year. Only added a street stage in Porto and 2x Vieira do Minho in Sunday

[Rally Power]

It's easy to see at least 8 ss's over the rally. The stages scheme is: 1 super ss on Thursday; 3 stages running twice on Friday plus the new Porto street ss; 3x2 again on Saturday and 2x2 on Sunday.

For those coming only for the weekend it deserves trying to get at Porto on Friday's evening (19.00h local) because this super ss right at the city heart is going to be be amazing! The only problem will probably be the bar parties following this street stage...it'll be hard to get into Sat morning stages! Lots of cheap hostels and bnb rentals. Metro direct from Airport.

The magnificent scenery for Friday street stage:
http://recursos.visitporto.travel/pois/1846_1.jpg

[Rally Power]

So, no wow reactions to that amazing photo of my hometown...time for the overwhelming russian video!
https://youtu.be/jCI5JeL8rSc?t=60

Bibó Porto carago e Bibó WRC!

Btw, Rally Guide 1, itinerary and maps from RP already online:
http://uk.rallydeportugal.pt/content.aspx?menuid=160

[JUF]

So, no wow reactions to that amazing photo of my hometown...time for the overwhelming russian video! You´re absolutely right. Porto is a really magnifiscient city. I love it and wish to be at the rally. But I don´t get vacation for this period of time :(.

[Rally Power]

Thanks for the compliment! It's great to see tourists discovering and enjoying Porto (and Portugal)! To you and all the others that cannot be here during WRC there's always our public TV (RTP), that uses to make live special stages broadcast. Porto will be one of them, for sure.

[Duvel]

So, whe just booked our flights! First time rally Portugal, looking forward to it!
We wil be there from Friday morning untill Monday.
We are looking for nice hotels, any tips are welkom. Also stage tips are very welkom, which to avoid, which we have to see etc.

[Rally Power]

My tip it’s not about any particular hotel but on the best location to stay, having Rallye de Portugal in mind.

Matosinhos (Porto’s north neighborhood) is close to RP headquarters (Exponor) and has a fast direct Metro connection with Porto downtown (called Baixa), useful for Friday evening street stages. Also, it can be easier to enter into the highways towards the north and east countryside SS’s from Matosinhos than from Baixa. Matosinhos center looks to be the perfect base for the RP weekend but (there’s always one!) there’re few Hotels there and they should be all booked by now (if you try you should take a look into Google Earth to see the ones that are close to Metro stations).

For those who want to be in Porto’s downtown and profit rally days to discover the city, the hotel range it’s huge, from cheap local guest houses and hostels to expensive 5 star international hotels. You can even get to see the super SS from some hotels balconies (the photo above was certainly taken from the InterContinental, but there’re others located at Avenida dos Aliados boulevard). The only (small) problem is to get into Friday’s Porto SS area, because huge traffic is expected and surely we’ll have to leave the car outside the center limits (taking the Metro at…Matosinhos!).

Finally, there’s a third option to those that doesn’t want to get into Porto (limited) confusion and stay closer to the real SS’s. Viana do Castelo it’s the best choice to be before first leg SS’s. For second leg Amarante looks to be the better one and for the final day Guimarães or Braga are the ones to choose. Each one of these smaller cities is only 50 to 70kms away from Porto and all have reasonable hotel choices.

Btw, all SS’s, even Porto’s one, are free (more money left for wine and beer…) but we’re supposed to stand only on spectators areas (called ZE’s). Last year there were plenty of them in all SS’s, and some more may be announced soon.

[TheFlyingTuga]

I've got a friend that has two apartments for daily renting on Oporto downtown. They are close to Aliados (600 m from the house to the city center). They're very nice and cheap. Contacts by pm if you want.

In another news, we can make a meet up for forumers on Friday night on downtown Oporto as well. A nice rally stage followed by a nice pint of the awesome Oporto's very own Super Bock beer :)! Perfect day in the makig ahahaha

[Rally Power]

Yep! Bibó Porto, Bibó WRC e Bibá Super Bock!

[hype]

What was the situation with marshals and police like last year? I know it's not like in Monte Carlo, but was it very strict?
I remember Portugal to be very strict in 2007 and it was impossible to walk on the stage even an hour before the start.

[marcosg]

still the same... I always end up spectating one stage per day in the same spot

[Rally Power]

Yep, things still strict on spectator’s moves, but there’s no need to stay at the same spot every day if you choose the right ZE’s (spectators zone) on the SS’s. You can jump from one to another between the loops, if that doesn’t mean crossing the SS road.

This year SS’s are the same as last year but it seems there’ll be some new ZE’s. The videos about them must be released soon (the link to last year videos is missing). All ZE’s are free and last year some were really nice and got easy accesses.

[EightGear]

Kevin Abbring to start in Portugal, if he's got no testing commitments.

http://nu.nl/sport-overig/4205144/rallyrijder-abbring-maakt-in-mei-wk-rentree-met-hyundai.html

[Duvel]

Does anyone know if there are any official camping places next to the stage's?
We are still searching foor a place to sleep from saturday to sunday, camping along the stage would be great if possible.

[Kielder]

Fafe is even more beautiful covered of snow:

http://i65.tinypic.com/2e2gjzb.jpg
http://i66.tinypic.com/x6g46.jpg

[Eli]

Fafe is even more beautiful covered of snow:

http://i65.tinypic.com/2e2gjzb.jpg
http://i66.tinypic.com/x6g46.jpg

so they could have held rally sweden in Portugal instead and even at the end of feburary?

[EightGear]

No of course not, you really think so?

[Eli]

No of course not, you really think so?

just kidding

[AL14]

Does anyone know if local TVs will broadcast additional stages like last year?

[Sardalense]

That information will by published in the Rally Guide 2. But you can count on that ;)

[devil's land]

Does anyone know if there are any official camping places next to the stage's?
We are still searching foor a place to sleep from saturday to sunday, camping along the stage would be great if possible.
You have this campsite near the Vieira do Minho stage (~3,5 km from the start). http://en.camping.info/portugal/porto-e-norte-de-portugal/parque-de-campismo-da-cabreira-16294
Near you have 3 nice spectators zones, one of them with more than 1km of stage allowed for public. But you always can do as everyone and camp in the spectators zones, at the stages.

[Rally Power]

Rally de Portugal teaser https://youtu.be/aq3oCcoBBvY

[Duvel]

Rally de Portugal teaser https://youtu.be/aq3oCcoBBvY

When can we expect rally guide 2?
Any news on local drivers entering in wrc class?
What about that rally pass, is that something to think about, or not nescesary?

[Rally Power]

RG2 won’t take long. Meanwhile you can have an idea of the spectator’s areas (ZE) from last year official videos. Probably they’ll add more ZE’s this year. Take a look on ZE14/15 (close to each other), 24 and 28. Rally pass can be useful to park closer to the stages and get access to some restricted areas, but it’s expensive and there’s no real guarantee you’ll end watching more SS’s with it.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLuWiT5dEgAxTiXfxlgzNk_9EvC0mZhZpK&nohtml5=False

[Andre Oliveira]

I hope new ZE. Viana do Castelo were bad ;)

[dimviii]

Hyundai Motorsport ‏@HMSGOfficial

Here's our line-up for @rallydeportugal next month: #Paddon 3, #Sordo 4, #Neuville 20 & #Abbring 10 (2015 car). #WRC


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cf0niCiWsAAJ8Ms.jpg

[Eli]

Hyundai Motorsport ‏@HMSGOfficial

Here's our line-up for @rallydeportugal next month: #Paddon 3, #Sordo 4, #Neuville 20 & #Abbring 10 (2015 car). #WRC


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cf0niCiWsAAJ8Ms.jpg

wow they really don't trust Nevuille eyy? Go Paddon!!!

[Duvel]

wow they really don't trust Nevuille eyy? Go Paddon!!!

Must be a little bit dificult for Neuville, 2 years ago hired as nr 1, now being not selected for a team.

B.t.w. pictures on Hyundai selection are wrong Mobis and Shell team are switched.

[EstWRC]

the more i think that Neuville wont be with Hyundai next season, unless a miracle happens in the second half of the season.

[AL14]

the more i think that Neuville wont be with Hyundai next season, unless a miracle happens in the second half of the season.

No way he will stay. I think both parts made mistakes and both of them need to get rid of each other. I think Neuville will go to Citroen next year. It will be an interesting lineup with Meeke and Breen/Lefebvre in the third car.

[pantealex]

the more i think that Neuville wont be with Hyundai next season, unless a miracle happens in the second half of the season.

Which team want´s him ? Bit risky driver for every team.

[Simmi]

Which team want´s him ? Bit risky driver for every team.

Malcolm certainly wanted him. I'm sure he'd probably still be interested in Thierry if the price was right. And let's face it Neuville is driving down his own price right now.

[EstWRC]

Matton also wants him, in the end of the last season he talked that Citroen would be great choice for Neuville to restart his career. Mads has only 1 year contract with m-sport, so theres already 2 possible seats for Neuville for next year.

[AL14]

Matton also wants him, in the end of the last season he talked that Citroen would be great choice for Neuville to restart his career. Mads has only 1 year contract with m-sport, so theres already 2 possible seats for Neuville for next year.

And if everything goes wrong for some reasons he has also the option Toyota, that can pay him more than the other two.
LOL, I realize just now he is actually in an enviable position! :D

[AMSS]

And if everything goes wrong for some reasons he has also the option Toyota, that can pay him more than the other two.
LOL, I realize just now he is actually in an enviable position! :D

Only thing is I seriously doubt that Neuville would choose Toyota even for good money as he probably doesn`t want to go to a "new" team again. He needs a team who can be sure to provide a competitive car, and only open options if VW driver line up remains is Citroen and Ford, and in that order

[AL14]

Only thing is I seriously doubt that Neuville would choose Toyota even for good money as he probably doesn`t want to go to a "new" team again. He needs a team who can be sure to provide a competitive car, and only open options if VW driver line up remains is Citroen and Ford, and in that order

Totally agree with you. I mentioned Toyota only if it is his only option left... Better Toyota than nothing :)

[stefanvv]

Totally agree with you. I mentioned Toyota only if it is his only option left... Better Toyota than nothing :)

You believe Toyota is not serious team?

[AL14]

You believe Toyota is not serious team?

I believe a driver like Neuville will chose them only if they are his last option. Why?

[stefanvv]

I believe a driver like Neuville will chose them only if they are his last option. Why?

What do You mean "driver like Neuville"? If Toyota are very serious about their campaign, I don't see a problem for Neuville to try with them....

[EightGear]

Well so far Toyota isn't exactly looking promising eh?

[Lundefaret]

Sorry, wrong thread :)

[AL14]

yes, as eightgear said Toyota does not look promising for drivers. That's why I said that.

[pantealex]

it is bit funny that everyone (me also) is thinking that Toyota is not good and still they are only team that is already testing full 2017 car.

near everyone also thinking that "order" of all makes remains same next year, even that cars will be completely new (new chassis for VW and Citroen)

[RS]

it is bit funny that everyone (me also) is thinking that Toyota is not good and still they are only team that is already testing full 2017 car.

near everyone also thinking that "order" of all makes remains same next year, even that cars will be completely new (new chassis for VW and Citroen)

The difference is that Toyota are starting from scratch whereas other teams have some knowledge already and presumably a lot of parts will carry over to the 2017 cars.

[stefanvv]

The difference is that Toyota are starting from scratch whereas other teams have some knowledge already and presumably a lot of parts will carry over to the 2017 cars.

it is not from scratch, as they should have TMG knowledge, but this is wrong thread indeed....

[Rally Power]

No way he will stay. I think both parts made mistakes and both of them need to get rid of each other. I think Neuville will go to Citroen next year. It will be an interesting lineup with Meeke and Breen/Lefebvre in the third car.

Mr. Matton must be enjoying all this Hyundai's fuss. Meeke, Neuville and Citroen fully commited...that sounds like a proper fight to Ogier and VW!

[jbmarcus21]

Google Earth Map Rally Wrc Portugal is online http://goo.gl/pH6K64

[Rally Power]

RG2 online. Spectators areas here: https://www.rallydeportugal.pt/contentlist.aspx?menuid=216 (click over SS name)

[TURBO43]

About safety rules, I'm not totally agree with what has been said higher.

Last year, we found some access to avoid public areas, particularly in Viana, Marao and Ponte de Lima. There was no marshalls here, and we had no problems. And we're not the only ones.

If you want to take pleasure in Portugal, I encourage you to do the same and escape the public areas.

[pantealex]

for JWRC 11 entries

for DDFT 10 entries

[Andre Oliveira]

https://scontent-mad1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/13076664_1347035628659194_833771550688823936_n.jpg ?oh=dac9a7e5a65d508873427d2af42bf9e3&oe=57AD5F78

https://scontent-mad1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xlp1/v/t1.0-9/13062317_1346639865365437_9173024102665593267_n.jp g?oh=02575e371b7d3dcfaee93b1540924948&oe=57B22758

[samWRC]

When the entry list will be published?

[Andre Oliveira]

No mention on regs :(

[RS]

I think it was already obvious, but Skoda Motorsport will start with Lappi, Tidemand and Kopecky.

[samWRC]

I think it was already obvious, but Skoda Motorsport will start with Lappi, Tidemand and Kopecky.
Lappi has said that he won't be in Portugal

[RS]

Lappi has said that he won't be in Portugal

Skoda Motorsport preview for the first round of the Czech Championship says he will.

[samWRC]

Skoda Motorsport preview for the first round of the Czech Championship says he will.
Hopefully that's true :)

[bowler]

Lappi will be in sardengna
, not Portugal

[Teardrop]

Lappi will be in sardengna
, not Portugal

So who will drive the Skoda cars in Portugal? Tidemand + Kopecky?

[bowler]

Tidemand for sure. Probably kopecky

[liposh]

Lappi will be in sardengna
, not Portugal

It is very possible (but not sure) that Lappi will drive all European rounds. Skoda will use him for 7 starts, but he can pay another few starts with BRR just for learning the tracks.

[samWRC]

https://www.rallydeportugal.pt/ResourcesUser/Documentos/Rally_Guide_2/RP2016_Entry_List_29_04FINAL.pdf
Entry list

[EstWRC]

Suninen vs Evans will be interesting...19 WRC machines!

[rallyfiend]

19 WRC cars
25 WRC 2
11 JWRC
10 DMACK series

It may currently get pretty poor numbers outside of Europe, but bloody hell, the WRC is fantastic health in the heartland.

And Toyota is still to come...

[Raini]

Hi,

I am planning to go first time to Portugal WRC event, but ticket is 199EUR ?! Is it worth it or is there any other reasonable way to watch the rally? It seems that some of the stages are free?

[devil's land]

Hi,

I am planning to go first time to Portugal WRC event, but ticket is 199EUR ?! Is it worth it or is there any other reasonable way to watch the rally? It seems that some of the stages are free?
Hi!

All the stages are free. You can check it here: http://uk.rallydeportugal.pt/contentlist.aspx?menuid=249
You can find 36 Spectator Areas (ZE). They are all free.
The 199 euros you're talking about is for "rally pass" (it allows acess for a area with countertops every day, parking, acess to the park...)
The SSS1 is only stage that you need to buy a 20 euros ticket to watch.

[kirungi okwogera]

19 WRC cars
25 WRC 2
11 JWRC
10 DMACK series

It may currently get pretty poor numbers outside of Europe, but bloody hell, the WRC is fantastic health in the heartland.

And Toyota is still to come...

Healthy manufacturer variety too. Not all M-Sport fiestas.
8 fiestas
4 i20s
3 citroëns
3 polos
1 mini (!)

And the WRC2, my god, quite an entry.

Who is this Yoann Bonato with Denis Giraudet (who this year is celebrating 35 years in WRC rallies, what the hell does he eat...)?

[Raini]

Hi!

All the stages are free. You can check it here: http://uk.rallydeportugal.pt/contentlist.aspx?menuid=249
You can find 36 Spectator Areas (ZE). They are all free.
The 199 euros you're talking about is for "rally pass" (it allows acess for a area with countertops every day, parking, acess to the park...)
The SSS1 is only stage that you need to buy a 20 euros ticket to watch.

Thank You for information, is it Service area free as well?

[EightGear]

Healthy manufacturer variety too. Not all M-Sport fiestas.
8 fiestas
4 i20s
3 citroëns
3 polos
1 mini (!)

And the WRC2, my god, quite an entry.

Who is this Yoann Bonato with Denis Giraudet (who this year is celebrating 35 years in WRC rallies, what the hell does he eat...)?
Also the first time all 6 different current WRC models are entered (new and old i20 + Mini).

[Zigz]

Bonato did some jwrc events in 2007 and 2009. Then some years very little racing. In 2013 won opel adac cup in france. 2014 in a r2 adam showed great speed. 2015 in a r5 peugeot also very fast on france tarmac champ. Speed on gravel is a question mark. Some french members meiby have more info.

http://www.ewrc-results.com/profile.php?p=279&t=Yoann-Bonato

[RS]

So no Lappi.. quite weird.

First we heard he would likely do all events, some with BRR, but then he didn't turn up in Mexico, Argentina or now Portugal.

[WUff1]

So no Lappi.. quite weird.

First we heard he would likely do all events, some with BRR, but then he didn't turn up in Mexico, Argentina or now Portugal.

Maybe it´s got something to do with another finnish guy building a team at the moment ...

[RS]

Maybe it´s got something to do with another finnish guy building a team at the moment ...

Could be.. as it seems there is no way into VW now. Maybe Lappi also didn't convince them enough.

[Zigz]

Also noticed that Suninen back to Fiesta this time. And no Berqkvist and Kruuda. Anybody knows what rallys Berqkvist planned do to?

[Andre Oliveira]

Suninen back to Fiesta could be cause Tommi will run two Fiesta R5 to japanese drivers.

[Rallyper]

Also noticed that Suninen back to Fiesta this time. And no Berqkvist and Kruuda. Anybody knows what rallys Berqkvist planned do to?

On FB Emil says "a big, big challenge" is to come. I´m glad if he at least joins the recce in Portugal. :/

[PLuto]

Also noticed that Suninen back to Fiesta this time. And no Berqkvist and Kruuda. Anybody knows what rallys Berqkvist planned do to?

Bergkvist will start in Portugal

[Teardrop]

Bergkvist will start in Portugal
Source?
He's not in the oficial entry list...

[samWRC]

Source?
He's not in the oficial entry list...
Now he is in the list.

[Teardrop]

Now he is in the list.
So a new entry list will be published?

[Andre Oliveira]

#57 Emil Bergkvist / Henrik Appelskog - Citroën DS3 R5 added to Rali de Portugal today.

[Teardrop]

#57 Emil Bergkvist / Henrik Appelskog - Citroën DS3 R5 added to Rali de Portugal today.
That's good news! There are more new entries or there will be more ?

[Rally Power]

Renault making an official entry in WRC3. It's the first event of the '15 Clio Cup winning prize. #66 Burri/Levratti.

[pantealex]

19 WRC cars
25 WRC 2
11 JWRC
10 DMACK series

17 WRC3 (those 11 JWRC included of course)

[Andre Oliveira]

Suninen with Oreca Fabia R5. So it will be 10 Fiesta R5 vs 10 Fabia R5 eheh

[Mk2 RS2000]

After reading the Thierry Neuville interview in the Rally Argentina thread posted by Dimviii it looks to me that Neuville has painted himself into a corner for this event.
As he stated he will be free of “manufacturer” responsibilities and will be able to go for a result.
Because of his current position in the championship he is going to have a very favourable start order for the first two day of the event, possible all days of the event.
Following Argentina he knows how strong and fast the car is. Paddon and to a slightly lesser extent Sordo proved that.
In short he can go for it, maximum attack, only his own personal result is what matters.
He has talked the talk, now he must walk the walk.
If he wins, well that is what is expected because of the reasons stated above.
If he bins it then he has exceeded his talent
There can be no excuses, he has to be like a light switch, either it is on or it is off, there can be no maybes in his performance.

[EightGear]

He'll probably crash on the morning loop on Friday.

Place your bets now.

[stefanvv]

After reading the Thierry Neuville interview in the Rally Argentina thread posted by Dimviii it looks to me that Neuville has painted himself into a corner for this event.
As he stated he will be free of “manufacturer” responsibilities and will be able to go for a result.
Because of his current position in the championship he is going to have a very favourable start order for the first two day of the event, possible all days of the event.
Following Argentina he knows how strong and fast the car is. Paddon and to a slightly lesser extent Sordo proved that.
In short he can go for it, maximum attack, only his own personal result is what matters.
He has talked the talk, now he must walk the walk.
If he wins, well that is what is expected because of the reasons stated above.
If he bins it then he has exceeded his talent
There can be no excuses, he has to be like a light switch, either it is on or it is off, there can be no maybes in his performance.

it'll be interesting for a change he is released of some responsibility, but I don't hold my breath for it tbh.

[Rallyper]

To me it´s enough if he´s on the podium. The talk wasn´t then too much. You guys have to understand what he´s saying between the lines.

[b3637853]

it'll be interesting for a change he is released of some responsibility, but I don't hold my breath for it tbh.

He was out of team responsibilites in Wales and it didn't end well. Lost wheel and then spectacular roll. Of course now the car is better, but I suspect crash.

[Simmi]

He was out of team responsibilites in Wales and it didn't end well. Lost wheel and then spectacular roll. Of course now the car is better, but I suspect crash.

The whole collecting manufacturer points "pressure" is just a smokescreen and an excuse. We've all said before that being fast and collecting points for your team is all part of being a professional driver.

This season it should not be a factor in the slightest. It's completely irrelevant who is scoring points on what rallies as the championship is effectively set this year. Hyundai can't beat VW and they aren't under pressure from M-Sport behind.

I can't criticise Thierry for when his car has mechanical issues. But when he has a healthy car we just aren't seeing the stage times. It feels from a quick scan this year that he's averaging out at about sixth fastest.

[Rallyper]

However his mental view is different from yours. Would be a highly probable reason for his arguments.

[Francis44]

Useless excuses from Neuville I am afraid. If he wants to be the top paid and have n°1 status he has to bring points to the team, just like any other top frontman.

[Rally Power]

I imagine this thread still is about Rallye de Portugal...

A look into Porto street stage:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKSj8QvC0Zs

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Interest in Portugal for me centres mostly on whether MSport / Ostberg can show better times; and if DMack 's new gravel tyres can improve theirs...

[Duvel]

Interest in Portugal for me centres mostly on whether MSport / Ostberg can show better times; and if DMack 's new gravel tyres can improve theirs...

I also hope Tanak will be closer to the top 3 times. Nice effort by Dmack, realy hope they can improve a lot.
Also hope Neuville can do a decent job here, podium could be a mental boost.
Meeke will be fast here to i guess.

19 WRC's is cool, eventhough not al of them will be driven properly.

Any tips on wich ZE's are best to visit? Is it possible to go and see the stage in some other (non ZE) places?
Is the famous jump from the Fafe sprint included in the Fafe stage? and which zone is this.

[Kielder]

As usual, Portuguese TV RTP will broadcast live several stages:

- Thursday, May 19th:
SS1 Lousada (19:00-20:30) RTP2.
- Friday, May 20th:
SS8 Porto (19:00-19:58) RTP1.
- Saturday, May 21th:
SS12 Amarante 1 (12:00-13:00) RTP2.
SS15 Amarante 2 (18:00-19:00) RTP2.
- Sunday, May 22th:
SS17 Fafe 1 (09:05-10:00) RTP1.
SS19 Fafe 2 (12:05-12:58) RTP1.

Of course, these are local times.

Best regards.

[Rally Power]

Any tips on wich ZE's are best to visit? Is it possible to go and see the stage in some other (non ZE) places? Is the famous jump from the Fafe sprint included in the Fafe stage? and which zone is this.

Take a look on ZE 13; 21 and 36. Plus Porto stage video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJKKvCMKay0&list=PLuWiT5dEgAxTszxC44xpTKQTHevdd6g6y&index=1

[danon]

Volkswagen Motorsport - Portugal - 12-5-2016 https://www.facebook.com/doidosporrally/videos/972619769501467/
pics & vids & tests & info... here you can follow the action -> https://www.facebook.com/doidosporrally/

https://scontent.fsof2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13151460_972606646169446_6213615533479963743_n.jpg ?oh=27f8eaa5401dc76bbaa53f4e285990a3&oe=57DF8210

[seb_sh]

The whole collecting manufacturer points "pressure" is just a smokescreen and an excuse. We've all said before that being fast and collecting points for your team is all part of being a professional driver.

This season it should not be a factor in the slightest. It's completely irrelevant who is scoring points on what rallies as the championship is effectively set this year. Hyundai can't beat VW and they aren't under pressure from M-Sport behind.

I can't criticise Thierry for when his car has mechanical issues. But when he has a healthy car we just aren't seeing the stage times. It feels from a quick scan this year that he's averaging out at about sixth fastest.

Indeed, the pressure argument is imo only valid for young drivers when they are put in the spotlight and could be distracted by things like media attention. So there it makes sense to have them in the third car where they are not so followed as the two "main" drivers. Otherwise it's bs, in reality what they mean is: "We care about the manufacturers standiungs so we're putting the two drivers who actually finish rallies in the points scoring cars."

I'm disappointed that Thierry hasn't developed into a challenger. He was showing promise that he could, at least partially bother Ogier. The sport desperately needs at least more potential rally winners if not title contenders.

[Kielder]

This morning I drove almost the entire Viana stage to reach and leave Mikkelsen's test ahead of the rally. I found some parts really damaged, as you can see on the picture below. They were arranging some parts, for example the stone pavement at the top of the stage. Luckily, the sun is coming next week.

http://i68.tinypic.com/2wrj602.jpg

[AL14]

Bertelli to skip the rally because he got an injury playing football with friends.
Not that this is an interesting and useful news...

[dimviii]

http://forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_05_2016/post-1430-0-35430000-1463390888.jpg

[BleAivano]

Henning Solberg's son Osacar will have Patrik Barth as a co-driver for Rally Portugal. I would assume that Patrik is Gunnar Barth's son?

http://www.vf.se/sport/bilsport/patrik-barth-aker-med-solberg-i-vm

[janvanvurpa]

Henning Solberg's son Osacar will have Patrik Barth as a co-driver for Rally Portugal. I would assume that Patrik is Gunnar Barth's son?

http://www.vf.se/sport/bilsport/patrik-barth-aker-med-solberg-i-vm

Any relation to Roland Barthe?:uhoh:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roland_Barthes

[Rallyper]

Presumably not. :)

[dimviii]

wrc 2&3 Fafe
https://youtu.be/3S-7CUpRR_A

[Rallyper]

So many Skodas, and Emil just once. ;)

[RS]

So many Skodas, and Emil just once. ;)

Probably not a good idea to do too many pre-event kms with a PSA R5.

[Munkvy]

Bertelli to skip the rally because he got an injury playing football with friends.
Not that this is an interesting and useful news...

Wonder how I could volunteer to drive his car for him?

[Mirek]

Try here if You want...
https://www.facebook.com/F.WorldRallyTeam/

[N.O.T]

There are rally drivers who rally in cast, rally drivers that rally after shoulder surgery, rally drivers that rally with broken fingers.... and then there is Lorenzo Bertelli...

Was he evacuated with a helicopter from the football pitch ?

[bunnings]

Monday Test + Kevin Abbring:
http://i.imgur.com/6r0OF8t.jpg?1 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDDlf686KPY)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDDlf686KPY

[AL14]

Portuguese guys and bluuford, may you update us on the weather? Have to play my pickems :)

[BleAivano]

Portuguese guys and bluuford, may you update us on the weather? Have to play my pickems :)

Mostly sunny weather with clouds on Saturday.

http://www.accuweather.com/en/pt/matosinhos/275271/weekend-weather/275271

[AL14]

Mostly sunny weather with clouds on Saturday.

http://www.accuweather.com/en/pt/matosinhos/275271/weekend-weather/275271

Thanks, and are roads dry or wet/damp? I know it has rained lately...

[BleAivano]

Thanks, and are roads dry or wet/damp? I know it has rained lately...

The forecast says sunny weather and 20 degrees all week except Saturdays so I would assume that the roads will be dry.

http://www.accuweather.com/en/pt/matosinhos/275271/daily-weather-forecast/275271

[mousti]

No Cherain in Portugal, reason given is that the dad of his codriver passed away recently. He will start instead at Ypres with a Fiesta R5 Evo from H Racing, he is done with D-Max Racing.

[bluuford]

Dry weather until Saturday. Cloudy and Rainshowers are expected on Saturday, some might be strong, but it will be isoletaed to some locations, mostly afternoon. Saturday and Sunday will be relatively cold and Sunday morning should be without any wind, so dust+fog might be issue if there is not enough rain on Saturday. So, better to know Sunday stages by heart :P especially first one ;)

[CWJ]

Thx bluuford welcome information, just packing to come over tonight :)

[Rally Power]

Dry weather until Saturday. Cloudy and Rainshowers are expected on Saturday, some might be strong, but it will be isoletaed to some locations, mostly afternoon. Saturday and Sunday will be relatively cold and Sunday morning should be without any wind, so dust+fog might be issue if there is not enough rain on Saturday. So, better to know Sunday stages by heart :P especially first one ;)

It won't be easy, but I hope you're not totally right this time! Please no rain or fog, let's have another sunny and hot Rally de Portugal...even RP's dust tastes good.

[dimviii]

Ott Tänak ‏@OttTanak

Foggy start to the recce this morning, but the rally starts today. Good notes = good rally


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CipRhDbUoAAwsfB.jpg:large

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cio2S05U4AAhTWa.jpg

[dimviii]

Among the teams / riders who requested the organization of the Vodafone Rally de Portugal your application only for the recognition of this issue, figure, although not officially, Toyota. As is known, the Japanese manufacturer will return to rallying in 2017 and the team, as designated by Toyota Gazoo Racing, whose structure was delivered to the Finnish Tommi Makinen (winner of two editions of Rally of Portugal), has been conducting tests development of the new Yaris WRC.

Juho Hanninen, current test driver for Toyota and already admitted by Makinen as a possible starter in training that will line up three Yaris WRC next season, was entered by Tommi Makinen Racing to the recognition of this edition of the Rally of Portugal. In the same list of riders who will collect "notes" in the classifications without, however, align the test comes another Finn, the young Esapekka Lappi (25 years), former driver of Skoda and European champion 2014 which is touted as the future strengthening of the Japanese builder.
http://www.rallydeportugal.pt/content.aspx?menuid=2&eid=2266&bl=1

[dbrito26]

Guys what do you think about the stages of this year? This year will be hard for the tires like past year?


Enviado do meu iPhone usando o Tapatalk

[Mirek]

In the same list of riders who will collect "notes" in the classifications without, however, align the test comes another Finn, the young Esapekka Lappi (25 years), former driver of Skoda and European champion 2014 which is touted as the future strengthening of the Japanese builder.
http://www.rallydeportugal.pt/content.aspx?menuid=2&eid=2266&bl=1

Have I missed something?

[dimviii]

Have I missed something?

thats why i post it. Maybe they know something,or bull$hit?

[EstWRC]

for me it is obvious that Lappi will go to Toyota next year. Why all the recces ? I cant see him in VW like many expect.

[Simmi]

Among the teams / riders who requested the organization of the Vodafone Rally de Portugal your application only for the recognition of this issue, figure, although not officially, Toyota. As is known, the Japanese manufacturer will return to rallying in 2017 and the team, as designated by Toyota Gazoo Racing, whose structure was delivered to the Finnish Tommi Makinen (winner of two editions of Rally of Portugal), has been conducting tests development of the new Yaris WRC.

Juho Hanninen, current test driver for Toyota and already admitted by Makinen as a possible starter in training that will line up three Yaris WRC next season, was entered by Tommi Makinen Racing to the recognition of this edition of the Rally of Portugal. In the same list of riders who will collect "notes" in the classifications without, however, align the test comes another Finn, the young Esapekka Lappi (25 years), former driver of Skoda and European champion 2014 which is touted as the future strengthening of the Japanese builder.
http://www.rallydeportugal.pt/content.aspx?menuid=2&eid=2266&bl=1

Is this saying that Lappi was entered for the reccy by Tommi Makinen Racing? If so that effectively confirms his for next year. It's quite unclear - especially from the translation. Or are they just speculating?

[Francis44]

Reading in portuguese it is possible to understand that they only talk about Lappi as a possible Toyota driver do to recent rumours. However from the article it is plausible to say that Toyota entered him for recce so think what you like.

[Rallyper]

Why couldn´t he pay the recce himself, avoiding rumours?

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CirwyBvWsAAXzKZ.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CirwyBjWEAIlTT2.jpg

[danon]

Feel the vibe... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGKhptmtl4k

http://www.rally-maps.com/Rally-de-Portugal-2016

[bowler]

Why couldn´t he pay the recce himself, avoiding rumours?

That might explain why he isn't driving a skoda

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Kris Meeke plays down expectations ahead of Rally Portugal...

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/124347/rally-portugal-expectations-should-be-low--meeke

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Cant wait for the battle to re-commence ! :cool:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CiXb_LSUUAATHmI.jpg:large

[Rally Power]

Why couldn´t he pay the recce himself, avoiding rumours?

I believe it's Even Management that's paying. Like they already did for Argentina recee and MC entry.


Btw, nice tribute to Martin Holmes for his 500th WRC event as journalist. Huge congrats!

http://www.rallydeportugal.pt/ResourcesUser/Imagens/Noticias/2016/VRP/575/Martin_Holmes_575.jpg

[dimviii]

Thierry Neuville ‏@thierryneuville

We are really motivated and we hope we can fight in the front this weekend. @rallydeportugal #TN

[dimviii]

http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2016/photos/vodafone_rally_de_portugal_2016/pfi_mtb47.jpg
http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2016/photos/vodafone_rally_de_portugal_2016/pfi_mtb2.jpg
http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2016/photos/vodafone_rally_de_portugal_2016/pfi_mt51.jpg
http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2016/photos/vodafone_rally_de_portugal_2016/pfi_mt56.jpg

the reason of Parns crash
http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2016/photos/vodafone_rally_de_portugal_2016/pfi_mt82.jpg
http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2016/photos/vodafone_rally_de_portugal_2016/pfi_mt83.jpg


more photos
http://www.ewrc.cz/ewrc/fotogalery.php?events=27503&fotograf=412

[pantealex]

Why couldn´t he pay the recce himself, avoiding rumours?

Lappi did recce with Skoda clothes...

There is still 7 european WRC-events left after Portugal and he can only drive 6 more for points, so he must skip atleast 1 more!

[rage82]

Some times from shakedown:https://twitter.com/MSportLtd

[eib1]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CizZGVXW0AAZn9M.jpg

[eib1]

livestream:
http://www.rallydeportugal.pt/homepage.aspx?menuid=1

[eib1]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cize1urWEAATn-S.jpg

[wwbroe]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cize1urWEAATn-S.jpg

Little bit surprising, no VW's in top places. I know it is only shakedown, but surprising never the less.;)

[Luis Pacheco]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqbMbnfIQd4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwOrhqV01C8

[RS]

Very good time by Tidemand on the shakedown: http://www.ewrc-results.com/shake.php?e=27503&t=Vodafone-Rally-de-Portugal-2016

[Simmi]

Lappi did recce with Skoda clothes...

There is still 7 european WRC-events left after Portugal and he can only drive 6 more for points, so he must skip atleast 1 more!

I guess that's normal. He's still under contract to Skoda so it's not like he can start wearing Toyota gear. Like Rally Power said though it's probably EVEN paying for the reece. But you simply would not be doing that if you didn't expect to be coming back there next year. In terms of WRC2, skipping Portugal isn't such a dumb idea given the large amount of entries. Of course if you can smoke everyone in a packed field then that's also good. Depends how you want to play it.

[JTGANG]

Very good time by Tidemand on the shakedown: http://www.ewrc-results.com/shake.php?e=27503&t=Vodafone-Rally-de-Portugal-2016 Looking at the results just now, realised how great is the WRC2 list in Portugal .....I am sure we will see great fights

[Lundefaret]

Looking at the results just now, realised how great is the WRC2 list in Portugal .....I am sure we will see great fights

Absolutely! And it will be very interesting to see the "fresh" talent like Sunninen and Berquist going up against the more established drivers like Tideman and Evans. It will be really interesting! :)

[Rallyper]

Absolutely! And it will be very interesting to see the "fresh" talent like Sunninen and Berquist going up against the more established drivers like Tideman and Evans. It will be really interesting! :)

However I dont expect Bergkvist showing exceptional speed more than on occasional stages. More important for him is to show consistency, not without quality speed of course. And it´s to early to compare him to Sunninen regarding time behind wheel on R5.

Still it´s interesting to se how they manages the higher pressure.

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ci0KJ58WkAATJ5S.jpg:large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ciz9PZJXAAEHAMy.jpg
Neuville
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ci0KTRXWkAAZxmD.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ci0UrajWkAAfzNI.jpg
http://forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_05_2016/post-1812-0-48756400-1463654121.jpg

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ci0QWg8WgAAUXIW.jpg


https://scontent.fath3-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13245354_1166396876733429_2353062147871640637_n.jp g?oh=01667e76d6e2d26801c1873278e5c9ed&oe=57DC44EF

https://www.facebook.com/DbsFotografia/photos/?tab=album&album_id=1166396163400167

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ci0UB7XXEAAxW_B.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ci0VZp7W0AAsCHq.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ci0VZvOXAAANRUN.jpg

[dimviii]

https://youtu.be/wE7TKvU-Qd0

Per how much did you donate?
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CizOA1YWgAAW-zk.jpg



borl photos
https://www.flickr.com/photos/bestofrallylive/

[dimviii]

Rally Argentina winner Hayden Paddon says he relishes the chance to take World Rally champion Sebastien Ogier on in a straight fight at this week's Rally of Portugal.

The Hyundai driver bagged his first WRC win from a preferential place on the road in South America last month, but this week he runs second on Friday and Saturday - directly behind the dominant, championship-leading Frenchman.

Paddon said running further up the order held no fears for him.

"I really enjoy being first on the road," he said.

"Yes, you are sweeping the gravel, but at the same time you are controlling things and you get to drive to the line that you want to drive, rather than having that line dictated by who has gone and swept the road before.

"I don't have a problem with being further up on the road.

"It's a challenge, but it's a good challenge: if you're there it means you're doing something right, it means you've scored a lot of points in the championship - that can't be a bad thing!"

Paddon and Ogier clashed over the current running order regulations in Argentina, with the world champion hoping to garner support for what he feels would be a more level playing field next season.

DAVID EVANS: Why an explosive Ogier is good for the WRC

He got no support from Paddon and the Kiwi's feelings remain the same.

"Obviously, I have a lot of respect for Seb as a driver - he's the ultimate benchmark," said Paddon.

"But he's also a human being and we're all the same: no better and no worse.

"I stand up for what I believe in and I always will, I'm not prepared to just follow if I don't agree and feel strongly about something.

We're not all going to have the same opinion."

Paddon added that the psychological side of the contest was an important part of the battle.

"I enjoy the mind games side of things, but that's all put to one side when the helmet comes on - then we're focused on just one thing," he said.

"The objective is to challenge for the podium. We still have some work to do, we know that.

"The short-term goal is to be as close to Sebastien as possible and is reasonable given the position on the road.

"We're looking to challenge, this is the position we want to be in."

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/124355/paddon-relishing-straight-fight-with-ogier?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

[Rallyper]

https://youtu.be/wE7TKvU-Qd0

Per how much did you donate?
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CizOA1YWgAAW-zk.jpg



borl photos
https://www.flickr.com/photos/bestofrallylive/

Nothing as a fact. How much I do want, it´s not up to me as a private person to make him a star. So many others with much more money. Brands, businesses etz. ;)

(I did write about his ongoing funding in WRC2 topic a while ago)

[seb_sh]

Looking at the results just now, realised how great is the WRC2 list in Portugal .....I am sure we will see great fights

WRC2 might even be a more interesting rally than the main one.

[RuipedroWRC]

Hello everyone,

I'm new at this forum. The enthusiasm of our sweet rally brought me here.


There's a video of the shakedown:

https://youtu.be/KKc6zs0UfSA

[janvanvurpa]

Hello everyone,

I'm new at this forum. The enthusiasm of our sweet rally brought me here.


There's a video of the shakedown:

https://youtu.be/KKc6zs0UfSA

Welcome..You have a great event there with such long history..A lot to be enthusiastic about..
Are you mainly a fan? Or do you do any motorsports? I am always curious how people come to the sport..

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Quick SD vids

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xO2VFoZzB0k

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1W-KBW47PVg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xO2VFoZzB0k

[dimviii]

Hello everyone,

I'm new at this forum. The enthusiasm of our sweet rally brought me here.


There's a video of the shakedown:

https://youtu.be/KKc6zs0UfSA

welcome! why your video has so many google adverts?

polos landing from big jump is unreal.

[Luis Pacheco]

Live from SS1:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGK096NDWNg

[Fast Eddie WRC]

MICHELIN Motorsport ‏@michelin_sport
In contrast to its rivals, Michelin has named the soft LTX Force S4 as its nominated choice for the Rally Portugal

MICHELIN Motorsport ‏@michelin_sport
WRC Rally Portugal - All WRC Michelin drivers with five LTX Force S4

[N.O.T]

welcome! why your video has so many google adverts?

polos landing from big jump is unreal.

because you do not use an ad blocker

https://adblockplus.org/

[dimviii]

nice drive from Meeke at first minutes
https://youtu.be/xfXK_K17OTY

[dimviii]

because you do not use an ad blocker

https://adblockplus.org/

thanks God.

[PLuto]

Lappi did recce with Skoda clothes...

There is still 7 european WRC-events left after Portugal and he can only drive 6 more for points, so he must skip atleast 1 more!

Dont be afraid. All three factory drivers of Skoda has plans to do 7 WRC2 events. So his absence in the rally field in Portugal is expected.

[dimviii]

Mikkelsen waiting for the autograph session

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ci1RngTWkAA1jwB.jpg

[pantealex]

http://uk.rallydeportugal.pt/ResourcesUser/Documentos/Quadro_oficial_de_afixacao/2016/Comunicacoes/Stewards_Communication_No_2.pdf

Abbring can not score manufacturer points. (old model i20, not eligible because other team N-car is new i20)

[pantealex]

Dont be afraid. All three factory drivers of Skoda has plans to do 7 WRC2 events. So his absence in the rally field in Portugal is expected.

That´s what I mean ;)

[EightGear]

http://uk.rallydeportugal.pt/ResourcesUser/Documentos/Quadro_oficial_de_afixacao/2016/Comunicacoes/Stewards_Communication_No_2.pdf

Abbring can not score manufacturer points. (old model i20, not eligible because other team N-car is new i20)
Is it even possible for a 'team' (as in team instead of manufacturer) to score points with 2 cars? I believe he didn't score tean points on his outings last year.

[Teme]

Is it even possible for a 'team' (as in team instead of manufacturer) to score points with 2 cars? I believe he didn't score tean points on his outings last year.

Yes I think so, last time a WRC Team used two cars for points was in 2013 with Qatar WRT, Neuville doing all the rounds and Nasser scoring in four events (and Juho in Monte).

[Simmi]

Ogier whups everyone around Lousada despite an early boost issue.

[EstWRC]

Dmack seems to have developed massively their tyre. Tänak was the only one on hard tyres. It is Gonna be interesting tomorrow.

[dimviii]

Tidemand faster till now


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ci1rGTmU4AAChfn.jpg

[seb_sh]

Dmack seems to have developed massively their tyre. Tänak was the only one on hard tyres. It is Gonna be interesting tomorrow.

There were several times Tanak hinted about having to "survive" the gravel rounds until Portugal where they will have the "new" tyres. From what I understood, they tested a lot of variants of tyres in order to have a good gravel version for Portugal. So it's something to look out for on this rally and compare Tanak's pace with previous rallies.

[EstWRC]

Not just for Portugal but for all rallies. I wrote about it in Dmacks topic. But we will see tomorrow, times were very good today.

The Hyundai seems to be very good car at the moment. Usually VW had 1-2-3 on street stages but hasn't been the case in last two rallies. I think this is gonna be hard rally for Paddon, big expectations for him

[dimviii]

Citroen Racing video
https://youtu.be/JxDN5GbJxmI

[Lundefaret]

Not just for Portugal but for all rallies. I wrote about it in Dmacks topic. But we will see tomorrow, times were very good today.

The Hyundai seems to be very good car at the moment. Usually VW had 1-2-3 on street stages but hasn't been the case in last two rallies. I think this is gonna be hard rally for Paddon, big expectations for him

I hope Dmack has some very good tires for this weekend (if we judge by Tänaks "poker face" it is going to be interesting.)

Regarding Paddon:
The original plan was to do A LOT of work towards Portugal, especially since the stages are the same which makes it easier to compare, but everything went a bit crazy after the victory - with him even meeting the prime minister - so the time we had planned to use for preperations was taken up by PR assignments etc. The same went for Rally Whangarei which we were going to use as preperation for Portugal, but you cant really complain about these things when the cause is Hayden Paddons and New Zealands first WRC victory.
Regarding Hayden in Portugal the aim is to continue to improve. He lost a lot of time on almost every stage here last year, but a lot has happened since then, and it will be interesting to see how the general work on the "base line" will affect his performance.
Hayden is an amazing driver in many respects, and his ability to take theoretical information and turn it in to changes in practice is amazing, so tough the preparations towards Portugal has been "hampered by success", it will be very interesting to see what kind of progress he will make compared to last year.

I think and hope this rally will be very interesting, with several drivers charging for victory. Regarding Argentina I am off course biased, but I think every rally fan loved that it was a duell all the way to the end, so lets hope that Ogier will have his work cut out on this event too! :)

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ci2LlSbU4AAw-VQ.jpg

[stefanvv]

I hope Dmack has some very good tires for this weekend (if we judge by Tänaks "poker face" it is going to be interesting.)

Regarding Paddon:
The original plan was to do A LOT of work towards Portugal, especially since the stages are the same which makes it easier to compare, but everything went a bit crazy after the victory - with him even meeting the prime minister - so the time we had planned to use for preperations was taken up by PR assignments etc. The same went for Rally Whangarei which we were going to use as preperation for Portugal, but you cant really complain about these things when the cause is Hayden Paddons and New Zealands first WRC victory.
Regarding Hayden in Portugal the aim is to continue to improve. He lost a lot of time on almost every stage here last year, but a lot has happened since then, and it will be interesting to see how the general work on the "base line" will affect his performance.
Hayden is an amazing driver in many respects, and his ability to take theoretical information and turn it in to changes in practice is amazing, so tough the preparations towards Portugal has been "hampered by success", it will be very interesting to see what kind of progress he will make compared to last year.

I think and hope this rally will be very interesting, with several drivers charging for victory. Regarding Argentina I am off course biased, but I think every rally fan loved that it was a duell all the way to the end, so lets hope that Ogier will have his work cut out on this event too! :)

Do You think Paddon will face new challenge cleaning the road (after Ogier of course)? Was that part of Yours development program?

[seb_sh]

I hope Dmack has some very good tires for this weekend (if we judge by Tänaks "poker face" it is going to be interesting.)

Regarding Paddon:
The original plan was to do A LOT of work towards Portugal, especially since the stages are the same which makes it easier to compare, but everything went a bit crazy after the victory - with him even meeting the prime minister - so the time we had planned to use for preperations was taken up by PR assignments etc. The same went for Rally Whangarei which we were going to use as preperation for Portugal, but you cant really complain about these things when the cause is Hayden Paddons and New Zealands first WRC victory.
Regarding Hayden in Portugal the aim is to continue to improve. He lost a lot of time on almost every stage here last year, but a lot has happened since then, and it will be interesting to see how the general work on the "base line" will affect his performance.
Hayden is an amazing driver in many respects, and his ability to take theoretical information and turn it in to changes in practice is amazing, so tough the preparations towards Portugal has been "hampered by success", it will be very interesting to see what kind of progress he will make compared to last year.

I think and hope this rally will be very interesting, with several drivers charging for victory. Regarding Argentina I am off course biased, but I think every rally fan loved that it was a duell all the way to the end, so lets hope that Ogier will have his work cut out on this event too! :)

It will certainly be interesting to see what happens. I've followed your posts on this forums and I think you have the right idea regarding driver development. About Paddon I also have a good opinion, but in the end I still think Ogier is better still, I think at the moment he is faster than Paddon, but that could change.

Also I want to mention my username is derived from my own name not Ogier or Loeb. I used to be a McRae then Solberg fan but over time then have grown to appreciate and support Loeb.

[Lundefaret]

Do You think Paddon will face new challenge cleaning the road (after Ogier of course)? Was that part of Yours development program?

It was not part of the "program" to get up to second in the championship this quick. But when he is there, its off course essential to learn as much as possible from it. When you are starting to reach the top, you are going to face challenges as sweeping the road etc, and you need to see this as opportunities to learn, rather than a hindrance towards achieving the optimum result. Both sweeping experience and also being able to see Ogiers lines is off course something that should be put to the best use possible.
Unless something really special happens Hayden is not going to challenge for the world title this year, so then its off course important to use every rally and every experience as a tool to learn for the future - for when it really is going to count.
I think - and that is in many sports - that already at a very young age athletes are to focused on results compared to learning, and this hampers progression. Winning a national championship at 19 doesn't matter, its winning the World Championship at 30, so to speak. And to do that, its a lot of things you have to prepare for. Sweeping the road definitely a part of that.
And in regards to Haydens potential, he is the type of driver that can develop to be able to fight for the win on every stage of every rally. He has just impressed me immensely. I can for obvious reasons not say exactly what we have done, but the speed he can make progression is just incredible, and so far (we haven't settled for the future yet, so we will see what happens) I have had to adjust my "plan" many times, because things have just speed up all the time.
I had some parameters on feedback before Argentina, and when he exceeded them, and also set a very good time on the shakedown, which was a really technical stage (remember, Hayden is the guy who didn't like technical stages at all), I had to reprogram for a possible fight for the victory. This ment a lot of mental adjustments on my own part, and it has been that way from the start. He has great potential, and is definitely a VERY strong candidate to take away the throne from the French Sebastiens :)

[stefanvv]

It was not part of the "program" to get up to second in the championship this quick. But when he is there, its off course essential to learn as much as possible from it. When you are starting to reach the top, you are going to face challenges as sweeping the road etc, and you need to see this as opportunities to learn, rather than a hindrance towards achieving the optimum result. Both sweeping experience and also being able to see Ogiers lines is off course something that should be put to the best use possible.
Unless something really special happens Hayden is not going to challenge for the world title this year, so then its off course important to use every rally and every experience as a tool to learn for the future - for when it really is going to count.
I think - and that is in many sports - that already at a very young age athletes are to focused on results compared to learning, and this hampers progression. Winning a national championship at 19 doesn't matter, its winning the World Championship at 30, so to speak. And to do that, its a lot of things you have to prepare for. Sweeping the road definitely a part of that.
And in regards to Haydens potential, he is the type of driver that can develop to be able to fight for the win on every stage of every rally. He has just impressed me immensely. I can for obvious reasons not say exactly what we have done, but the speed he can make progression is just incredible, and so far (we haven't settled for the future yet, so we will see what happens) I have had to adjust my "plan" many times, because things have just speed up all the time.
I had some parameters on feedback before Argentina, and when he exceeded them, and also set a very good time on the shakedown, which was a really technical stage (remember, Hayden is the guy who didn't like technical stages at all), I had to reprogram for a possible fight for the victory. This ment a lot of mental adjustments on my own part, and it has been that way from the start. He has great potential, and is definitely a VERY strong candidate to take away the throne from the French Sebastiens :)

Yeah, Paddon is interesting driver and we follow his progress with interest. For sure he shouldn't aim the title this year and focus on improvements as You say. I just hope he won't "spin his head" with the victory in Argentina and stays humble and determined professional as he seem to be so far. Probably he shouldn't "attack" Ogier "out of the track" though. Every driver has his opinion, and what are the results is that matters. I like the ones who are doing "their" job, besides what others are doing and saying.

[Kielder]

For romantics, tomorrow's start list:
https://t.co/3eFdAwhV0m

[N.O.T]

With all the rain the previous days what is the road situation like ? Will Ogier cry again ? or he has an advantage this time ?

[danon]

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[AL14]

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For god sakes someone take Photoshop licence away from this guy.

[GravelBen]

With regards to Paddon sweeping - its probably worth remembering that he's had his fair share of time running first on the road in NZRC, while that obviously isn't the same level of competition as WRC it's not like the road position is a new thing for him.

[GravelBen]

With all the rain the previous days what is the road situation like ? Will Ogier cry again ? or he has an advantage this time ?

In Haydens pre event comments he said the sandy stages are very soft after the rain and would probably cut up and become rough. So it might favour the earlier cars on the road, I guess we will see.

[RuipedroWRC]

Welcome..You have a great event there with such long history..A lot to be enthusiastic about..
Are you mainly a fan? Or do you do any motorsports? I am always curious how people come to the sport..
Thanks. I'm just a big fan. I don't practice any motorsport. I live in the North of the country (near Porto), so I'm quite close to almost all of the stages. I'm going to Caminha today, I'm leaving home at 4 am. :D


Regards

[Francis44]

Morning everyone.

Ready for the action to start in +/- 30 minutes.

Heavy fog as of now.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ci4JrxyVEAAuxzr.jpg

Photo from Dmack's twitter.

[Robbo]

Report on Rally Radio has clear at stage.

[Mk2 RS2000]

With regards to Paddon sweeping - its probably worth remembering that he's had his fair share of time running first on the road in NZRC, while that obviously isn't the same level of competition as WRC it's not like the road position is a new thing for him.

Fair enough GB but remember their roads over there are similar to what we would call river bed tracks and/or high country tracks over here. They are pretty shite.

[rage82]

Sordo and Tanak are showing a promising speed. Especially Tanak with the Dmack's.
Not a bad job from Paddon too only 2.7 sek. slower than Ogier.

[Simmi]

Same story for Ostberg. Happy with his driving but the time not even close to being there.

[Rallyper]

Road sweping seems not a big problem. Soft surface makes Paddon complain on engine, probably.

[itix]

14 seconds on a 27 km stage. That's really bad if you are "pushing" as he says

[Simmi]

Ogier says car was too soft. Latvala too stiff on the setup.

Let's hope Meeke can avoid the rocks and set a nice time.

[Francis44]

Tanak says the tyre gave up after 10kms, too hot. Does not look good for the rally, it will only get hotter from here.

Edit: Neuville super slow, with no problem at all lol.

[AL14]

If I could be a rally driver this year that is not Ogier I would definitely chose to be Ott Tanak.

I can do anything I want: if things are good it's because I'm good, if they're bad it's tires fault.
That's the best deal ever.

[Simmi]

Sad to see Neuville like this. Must be very difficult mentally. He talked a lot about having bad luck. But in the last 12 months a big percentage of that has been self-inflicted.

Meeke on a proper push!

[Francis44]

Neuville looses 26 seconds on a stage on pace alone, very worrying for him.

[AL14]

Neuville looses 26 seconds on a stage on pace alone, very worrying for him.

Neuville is completely lost. I think we should stop hoping for a resurrection.

[RS]

Tanak much quicker than Ostberg with tyres which are probably worse.

Even Camilli quicker than Ostberg.

[Mk2 RS2000]

Neuville is completely lost. I think we should stop hoping for a resurrection.

He needs to learn that things happen for a reason and not because of an excuse

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Meeke is back !! :)

[satukata]

great Meeke. Good tanak!

[itix]

Welcome back Meeke!

[AL14]

He needs to learn that things happen for a reason and not because of an excuse

I agree but I think it's too late for this too.
EDIT: I notice now that he is 10 seconds slower than Camilli. This is a farewell then. Ok.


great Meeke. Good tanak!

Don't you dare betraying Jari-Matti!!! ;)

[satukata]

Hope better for Jarimatti

[PLuto]

Suninen stopped 500m after start of SS 2

[Mirek]

And Tidemand waaaay faster than Evans.

[Doon]

Does Meeke have the road position to win?

Ostberg......terrible. He should stick to local rallies in Norway. Don't want to sound too negative, but he needs to stop pretending that's he's a challenger

[seb_sh]

Tanak and Meeke looking good. But they have to keep it on the road, it's still early in the rally.

About Neuville I think it's too early to draw conclusions after a couple stages, let's see how the rest of the rally goes.

[wia5958]

Nice time by tanak 1.4 slower than ogier

[AL14]

What a surprise. Tanak's tire now is magically working... lol.

[satukata]

what happened to suninen?

[AL14]

About Neuville I think it's too early to draw conclusions after a couple stages, let's see how the rest of the rally goes.

We are drawing conclusions after one year and a half, not a couple stages. :)

[wia5958]

Good time By neuville aswell

[maciotacio]

And the princess Neuville wakes up. Hope he continue to keep that pace for the whole rally

[satukata]

I hope Tanak can fight for podium!

[Mirek]

what happened to suninen?

Some say he hit something and damaged suspension.

[dbrito26]

Teemu Suninen

967

[Francis44]

Meeke makes another 2,4 seconds. Lets hope he can keep it together.

[wia5958]

Another great time by meeke

[TWRC]

Ostberg says he has downshift problems. Interestingly, he had downshift problems with Citroën last year as well, but nobody else except him. Bad luck or downshifting too fast all the time?

[satukata]

GO Meeke Go Tanak!! my favourite drivers

[Francis44]

I think this loop of stages has thrown Latvala out of contention, with the stages very sandy on 2nd runs I think he wont be able to get the time back.

[EstWRC]

Meeke and Tänak doing great at the moment. Paddon a lot better than I thought. Keep it up please

[Leon]

(16 - Solberg Henning / Minor Ilka): It was ok, it was fast and I can drive fast. :D

[AL14]

GO Meeke Go Tanak!! my favourite drivers

You are really impudent! How could you??
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[Simmi]

Very nice start from Tidemand in WRC. Struggles from Suninen and car issues for Evans it seems.

He can make a real statement on this rally and hopefully a step towards getting himself into WRC machinery next year.

[satukata]

You are really impudent! How could you??
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Are you speaking to me?

I´m finn but like tanak and meeke too

[Doon]

Fri 11:29 - SS4: Latvala
Quickest through so far, but still far from satisfied. "The car is not good to drive at the moment. I'm struggling with understeer. I did what I could."

Maybe he needs to change his driving style and have a nose-end first setup on his car all the time!!

[satukata]

Latvala fastest. Go Jarimatti!!

[Lundefaret]

First loop and 7 drivers whitin 25 secs - exciting!

[satukata]

Tideman very strong in wrc2.

[kjiilis]

Crazy Finn just woke up ;)

[Mirek]

Kopecký said that he had really bad pacenotes for the first morning stage. There was a fog there during the recce and he didn't manage to put the stage into the notes properly. He was fast in the other two stages, therefore I believe it's true.

[Lundefaret]

Very good interview with Martin Holmes, especially on next years regulation with increased speed/danger etc.

[Mirek]

Where is the interview?

[Lundefaret]

Where is the interview?

Sorry, was on WRC Radio, will maybe be on podcast?

[Mirek]

Aha, no problem. I was just asking as I haven't seen it anywhere :)

[AL14]

Sorry, was on WRC Radio, will maybe be on podcast?

Little recap of what he said?

[EstWRC]

Evans just slow in wrc2 or he has had a problem?

[Mirek]

I believe he had some issues with the clutch but he also stated that he didn't feel comfortable on the stages.

[dimviii]

Abbring

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[dimviii]

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