Rally Sweden 2016

[jbmarcus21]

Rally Sweden revealed today road program for 2016
info => http://bit.ly/1jrWMTQ

New SP and Shake (8.00kms) at Karlstad.. and also Norway SS include ;)

[Simmi]

Was hoping to see a few more changes. The relocation of the service park really hasn't made a whole lot of difference.

[306 Cosworth]

I'll be booking my trip to Rally Sweden at the end of November. Can't wait!

[ruesluporp]

I'll be booking my trip to Rally Sweden at the end of November. Can't wait!

Holy Cow, I already booked the nearest cabin (5 km from Hagfors Airport, 9 km from last year shakedown), and now, we learn that the shakedown will be held in Karlstad?!?

The most important change will be for the spectators! Those who will be accommodated in Hagfors area will think twice before to go to Karlstad...

[Simmi]

Holy Cow, I already booked the nearest cabin (5 km from Hagfors Airport, 9 km from last year shakedown), and now, we learn that the shakedown will be held in Karlstad?!?

The most important change will be for the spectators! Those who will be accommodated in Hagfors area will think twice before to go to Karlstad...

Unlucky ruesluporp. Will you stay in Hagfors or try to move? It should be okay for most of the rally - just not the Thursday.

They announced it last month but it wasn't very well publicized: http://www.rallysweden.com/2015/09/new-service-park-for-rally-sweden/

[tc10a]

Unlucky ruesluporp. Will you stay in Hagfors or try to move?

There is absolutely no need to change. From Friday to Sunday location Hagfors is as good as it was in last years and the 70 km drive to the shakedown on Thursday is also no big deal. Think how far you have to go to Norway. Waiting for my 10th Rally Sweden and thinking back to early days those liaision distances are nothing.

And I'm sure NO ONE would think twice before going to Karlstad. It's just a one hour drive nothing more.

Old Shakedown in Rada was quite often used now and not the best road, so some change is welcome

[tommeke_B]

Going to Sweden for my 3rd time next year (after having been there in 2013 and this year). :) It's one of the most spectator-friendly WRC events to visit. The itinerary looks good, similar to this year, only sunday is better with an extra stage. Arriving on thursday afternoon, so skipping shakedown (I found the shakedown in Rada quite uninteresting). We're also staying in Hagfors, rented a house there (booked some time ago already). The move to Karlstad (service) is only logistical (not enough hotel room for all the factory teams). I think it's unlikely for stages to move closer to Karlstad in the upcoming years, since there's usually less snow there, or am I wrong?

[SubaruNorway]

Maps are out as well. I've done Svullrya many times in Rally Finnskogen in different versions, many of you might have driven parts of it on the way to the Finnskogen stage the previous years, a big drop jump at the bottom, it's got a nice mix of wide and flowing and narrow and fast. Good to see it's a proper stage for shakedown, hopefully it will run...

It think the shakedown in Råda was quite ok, as long as you stay in the middle of the stage where there are no marshalls and some nice combinations ;) What i can't stand is the bloody Kirkenær stage, a proper stage instead would have made it easier to do more stages, all days looks like 2 stage days mostly unfortunately again.

http://www.rallysweden.com/tavlande/dokument/

[Rallyper]

Well, not much change regarding stages which makes the whole event boring.

[Micke_VOC]

Parts of shakedown-stage are the same road that we was driving in Rally Karlstad 2014/2015 on gravel if the map are correct.
First 3-4 km (to 2 min) on this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOlnoMX_yHQ
(Btw, i crashed my car 3:08 , not me in the video)

[dodge33cymru]

No way, Finnskogen has been my favourite stage for the last two years and now it's gone? That sucks. Which rallies has Svullrya been in before? Hope it's as convenient to get to from Torsby.

[rallyeati]

Is someone knows available accomodations near the stages? (PM)
Thanks!

[SubaruNorway]

No way, Finnskogen has been my favourite stage for the last two years and now it's gone? That sucks. Which rallies has Svullrya been in before? Hope it's as convenient to get to from Torsby.

Svullrya is more of the same caracter so nice with something new, as i mentioned it's ran in Rally Finnskogen in many varations usually named Sandsjøbekken/Ormeberget. This jump at the bottom before it goes onto the narrow road north again is the wide road and the inboard is around the same place as the finish just in the other direction, hard to tell exactly where it goes. Very convenient, bottom of it is 30min closer to Torsby than Finnskogen was, if you went to the start or finish area of Finnskogen this year you most likely would have driven some of this this stage, the Østberg jump is hard to miss ;)

Østberg at 3:35
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvQVUZLLoV8
Last part in the other direction.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AO0j75kfKPY

[itix]

...and I'll be working this year again. I swear, the officials have a copy of my work schedule and do their best to try to keep me out of that rally! hahaha

[j295]

i'd love to see two seperate winter rallies a few weeks apart in wrc, rally sweden and rally norway, but perhaps wont happen anymore ???

[waltran]

hello mates,
i have never go to watch a rally before, i wanted to go to a few national rallies(Turkey) before wrc but couldn't have the chance.
now i'm currently in Europe(erasmus student) so i wanted to go a few rallies before my visa ends but looking this thread it is a hard job to get accommodation, go to stages without a car and i guess you would need a ticket for rally sweden?

can you make any suggestions about it? maybe there is a thread about newcomers. thanks in advance.

[itix]

hello mates,
i have never go to watch a rally before, i wanted to go to a few national rallies(Turkey) before wrc but couldn't have the chance.
now i'm currently in Europe(erasmus student) so i wanted to go a few rallies before my visa ends but looking this thread it is a hard job to get accommodation, go to stages without a car and i guess you would need a ticket for rally sweden?

can you make any suggestions about it? maybe there is a thread about newcomers. thanks in advance.
Transportation is very difficult if you don't have bus full of other rally people bringing you.

The Swedish public transport is hailed as some kind of holy transport grail but that's only true in the major cities.

To get to the stages, usually you have to go by car or some rally program bus via some access road and then usually walk a bit. Rallies with good organisation like Germany and sweden usually give out complete maps and guides to get to the stages. Rallies with more haphazard organisation like MC expects the visitor to kind of find his/her own way.

Your best bet in my opinion is to find a buddy that's also going. I've done MC with my ex (not a recommendation if that person is not a rally enthusiast and it rains constantly for three days... Lots of diplomacy needed), and Germany on my own, but I have my own car. I've actually never done rally sweden despite having wanted to for the last decade or so...

Search around forums and check if there is anyone else going that you can go with, or go with some official rally travel program. That's your best bet I'd say.

[Hartusvuori]

hello mates,
i have never go to watch a rally before, i wanted to go to a few national rallies(Turkey) before wrc but couldn't have the chance.
now i'm currently in Europe(erasmus student) so i wanted to go a few rallies before my visa ends but looking this thread it is a hard job to get accommodation, go to stages without a car and i guess you would need a ticket for rally sweden?

can you make any suggestions about it? maybe there is a thread about newcomers. thanks in advance.

Judging that you are a newcomer to spectating rallies, that you don't have a car (or don't plan to rent one) and it's Rally Sweden (winter event), I'd suggested an escorted tour by an operator like Rally Travel or alike. I've understand Rally Travel does a stellar job in organizing these trips, you get to meet drivers and other people behind the scenes and basically you only have to take care that you have a proper clothing on you. It costs money, but it's convenient.

http://www.rallytravel.com/?page=event&idno=16

Normally, more experienced spectators go out with the normal flight, rental car, accomodation, rally pass -combo. It takes money too and you've got to do all by yourself. If you don't recce the stages (they are normally rutted, snow and ice covered in Sweden, so it takes winter driving experience too), you don't really know what you'll get with spectating points. Many things can go wrong. But if you are an experienced spectator, then of course handling all this comes naturally and it is the only way.

[Andre Oliveira]

First 3 entries confirmed:

Fredrik Alsdal / Carlsson Christer -> Ford Fiesta R5

Neuville Thierry / Gilsoul Nicolas -> Hyundai i20 WRC

Storm Lasse / Storm Ulf -> Ford Fiesta R2

[mousti]

Meeke , Al Qassimi and Breen would do Sweden with a DS3

[dimviii]

Colins crest today

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CXyxBeQWEAAMV0W.jpg

[hype]

Any other news so far?
I'm thinking about going to Sweden for the first time.
Just found a cheap accommodation north of Hagfors.

I probably have to decide between missing Shakedown or missing Sunday. What would be the better option?

[ruesluporp]

Any other news so far?
I'm thinking about going to Sweden for the first time.
Just found a cheap accommodation north of Hagfors.

I probably have to decide between missing Shakedown or missing Sunday. What would be the better option?

For me, last day should be more interesting than the shakedown: do you remember Värmullsåsen last year? Mikkelsen was in the lead for 3 seconds before the last special stage.

[SubaruNorway]

Shakedown might just be gravel too, if they don't run the old stage instead

[EstWRC]

How are the conditions there now? I see that the Colin's crest stage is with snow but others? Two weeks ago around christmas time we had +8 degrees and no snow at all. Now two weeks later we have around -10-15 every day and a lot of snow already.

[hype]

So probably no snow at Shakedown near Karlstad?

[Hartusvuori]

Look at the forecasts. Next week shows only below zero temperatures for Karlstad and snow on four days. It looks very good in my opinion. Forcasts for Hagfors and Kirkenaer look similarly good. It'll now be roughly a week with a moderate subzero temperatures without a snow cover which is enough to put the road in hard and icy condition. Now when the snowing starts, ground is cold enough so the snow will stay. It's still more than month until the event, but if the weather remains less or around zero degrees (I'd forecast colder weather, it's the heart of the winter coming), it should be very good conditions for the rally.

[Rallyper]

But under the snow only frozen gravel. Not so good. But snowbanks might be fine.

[Hartusvuori]

But under the snow only frozen gravel. Not so good. But snowbanks might be fine.

OK, it's need two or three days of warmer weather (which can happen) for truly icy road, but frozen gravel is better than muddy gravel imo. Also, if the weather stays below zero all the way through and it snows a lot, snowbanks could prove surprisingly soft. It'll still be a winter rally as it looks now.

[tc10a]

So probably no snow at Shakedown near Karlstad?

Sorry, but it's way too early to tell and just pointless moaning.

[tc10a]

Any other news so far?
I'm thinking about going to Sweden for the first time.
Just found a cheap accommodation north of Hagfors.

I probably have to decide between missing Shakedown or missing Sunday. What would be the better option?

In the last years Sunday was probably better than shakedown. But as the shakedown is this year a completely new stage its hard to judge.
Sunday stages are definitely very good show and have nice spots.

[hype]

Okay, I will stay on Sunday then.

[Simorally86]

I chose to whatch shakedown....and unfortunately, miss Sunday satges.....anyway, according to the maps on rally-maps, Fredriksberg stage looks it will be done in the opposite side than last year...is it right? What about the classic jump on that stage? Drivers will jump also in this way?
One more question guys, is there any onboard video about Svullrya stage?

[EstWRC]

Shakedown today https://twitter.com/F_Gustavsson/status/684677198209527808

[skarderud]

Ole Christian veiby in a R5 in sweden. A fabia, i pressume.

[tobbe3]

Valeriy Gorban is entered in Rally Sweden with a Mini John Cooper Works WRC!

[Simmi]

Valeriy Gorban is entered in Rally Sweden with a Mini John Cooper Works WRC!

Yep was quite interesting to see this. Have they reverted the car back to WRC-spec or an entry mistake?

http://www.rallysweden.com/tavlingen/entries-wrc/

[dodge33cymru]

No, that makes sense, he has a car that's only eligible for that class so he's entering it there no doubt, great to see. Will that be the first time that all 5 cars made to the current ruleset will be running on the same event?

[Simmi]

No, that makes sense, he has a car that's only eligible for that class so he's entering it there no doubt, great to see. Will that be the first time that all 5 cars made to the current ruleset will be running on the same event?

Ahh yeah I forgot the RRC's were being emasculated.

[KiwiWRCfan]

No, that makes sense, he has a car that's only eligible for that class so he's entering it there no doubt, great to see. Will that be the first time that all 5 cars made to the current ruleset will be running on the same event?

Yes it will be the first time that 5 makes will run to current rule set.

Previous time a Mini in WRC spec. did a WRC event was Australia 2013 when local driver Nathan Quinn took the JCW Mini WRC to an 8th placed finish. Glenn MacNeall was codriver. Here is a link to a good photo of "Quinny in a Mini" http://www.ewrc.cz/ewrc/image_browse.php?id=134348

[Duvel]

Yes it will be the first time that 5 makes will run to current rule set.

Previous time a Mini in WRC spec. did a WRC event was Australia 2013 when local driver Nathan Quinn took the JCW Mini WRC to an 8th placed finish. Glenn MacNeall was codriver. Here is a link to a good photo of "Quinny in a Mini" http://www.ewrc.cz/ewrc/image_browse.php?id=134348

Is Hyundai running 3 new generation I20's from the beginning of the season? If so, only model missing is old I20.
Just a shame Gorban will not be able to match the pace of other wrc cars. he will be battling whit wrc2 again i think.

[mousti]

From Sweden of it will be three new I20's

Verstuurd vanaf mijn Nexus 5 met Tapatalk

[GigiGalliNo1]

Mixed reports stating that Paddon will have the new i20 WRC in Monte... but other reports say it'll be in Sweden!

Now, I hope Gorban brings the MINI WRC to MEXICO please! :D

[tommeke_B]

Better stop hoping then, it will make you less disappointed when the entry list comes out.

[Simmi]

Mixed reports stating that Paddon will have the new i20 WRC in Monte... but other reports say it'll be in Sweden!

Hyundai themselves said Paddon would have the old car on the Monte.

[KiwiWRCfan]

Mixed reports stating that Paddon will have the new i20 WRC in Monte... but other reports say it'll be in Sweden!


Hayden will use 2015 car in Monte Carlo. Hayden will first compete in 2016 new generation i20 WRC car in Sweden.

[tc10a]

Even if its still way to early, but for those who was already worried about the snowconditions some weeks ago:

The whole rally region saw very cold temperatures the last week and is now in very nice winterconditions. Quite some intense snowing in some parts.
Forecast looks also very good for now.

[Aquagen]

Now, I hope Gorban brings the MINI WRC to MEXICO please! :DYes, he will.

[Sulland]

Snowdepth in Sweden:
http://www.smhi.se/vadret/vadret-i-sverige/snodjup
If you tick off Ortsnamn, you will get names of places, so it a bit easier to orient the map.

Not much snow, but could change fast.

[tc10a]

Colins Crest today:

https://scontent-vie1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/12494884_972795219480038_4124403114472145670_n.jpg ?oh=21652bacf24f862ffe9e9eb76387e0c4&oe=570FB1C1
https://scontent-vie1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/12400618_972795446146682_1330448097540502265_n.jpg ?oh=af8db21acd67b9b72332a7ef0feacda6&oe=5710A5AB

[tc10a]

Today the entries Close for Rally Sweden 2016.

A pity that the list of received entries on the Website is not as accurate as in the last years. We have to wait for more updates as there was no changes since quite some days now.

http://www.rallysweden.com/tavlingen/entries-wrc/

[Hartusvuori]

New shakedown needed for Rally Sweden. Looks like organisers forgot to ask first before announcing the new shakedown near Karlstad.

https://translate.google.co.uk/translate?sl=sv&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx%3Fprogramid%3D93%26artikel%3D6343263% 26utm_source%3Ddlvr.it%26utm_medium%3Dtwitter&edit-text=

[tc10a]

New shakedown needed for Rally Sweden. Looks like organisers forgot to ask first before announcing the new shakedown near Karlstad.

https://translate.google.co.uk/translate?sl=sv&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx%3Fprogramid%3D93%26artikel%3D6343263% 26utm_source%3Ddlvr.it%26utm_medium%3Dtwitter&edit-text=



New shakedown needed for Rally Sweden. Looks like organisers forgot to ask first before announcing the new shakedown near Karlstad.

https://translate.google.co.uk/translate?sl=sv&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx%3Fprogramid%3D93%26artikel%3D6343263% 26utm_source%3Ddlvr.it%26utm_medium%3Dtwitter&edit-text=

The 2008 shakedown, directly in Karlstad, Close to the superspecial stage area would have been quite nice. Espesially from a spectator Point of view, as the whole stage was easy accessible from start to finish with plenty of spectator places to change between.

A pity that in 2008 there was nearly no snow. But in full winter conditions, it could be very nice.

[Simmi]

Today the entries Close for Rally Sweden 2016.

A pity that the list of received entries on the Website is not as accurate as in the last years. We have to wait for more updates as there was no changes since quite some days now.

http://www.rallysweden.com/tavlingen/entries-wrc/

I've been checking this daily and it's not been updated particularly well. Hoping for a nice entrylist when it does arrive with a WRC surprise or two. Hanninen maybe? I guess it's got to the point where even Henning would be a surprise - but that's more a case of if he makes the start.

[tc10a]

I've been checking this daily and it's not been updated particularly well. Hoping for a nice entrylist when it does arrive with a WRC surprise or two. Hanninen maybe? I guess it's got to the point where even Henning would be a surprise - but that's more a case of if he makes the start.

Now there was a big update: Already more than 50 crews, which is at least a +15% compared to previous three years.
Very nice list. Entries close at midnigt.

15x WRC
25x R5
3x S2000
2x N4
1x R3
4x R2
1x R1

at the moment!

http://www.rallysweden.com/tavlingen/entries-wrc/

[SubaruNorway]

Did someone tell Østberg there's no midday service...? ;) (Ref, Finland)

Hopefully they will change back, next year because this kind of drew the joy out of going there a bit with all the strange changes.

[tc10a]

Did someone tell Østberg there's no midday service...? ;) (Ref, Finland)
Hopefully they will change back, next year because this kind of drew the joy out of going there a bit with all the strange changes.

What has changed from specator point of view with really importance? Nothing - moving from Hagfors to Karlstad was long overdue.
A 5000 people village like Hagfors is just too small.

[SubaruNorway]

What has changed from specator point of view with really importance? Nothing - moving from Hagfors to Karlstad was long overdue.
A 5000 people village like Hagfors is just too small.

A bit crazy going 3 days with no midday service, hopefully we won't loose too many cars.
Having to go 1 hour instead of 15min to shakedown, which most likely will be without much snow if you go by the previous years, can't remember that i saw any snow at all down by Karlstad last year?

It is always nice going to the end of day service to get the interviews and meet some friends and see the drivers. I don't think many of the ones who actually follow the rally will bother to go all the way down to Karlstad for that. Sweden is not an event that lacks in number of spectators so i don't see why Hagfors is a problem.

And now the drivers have to do the long road section in the middle of the night in rally cars instead of comfy cars or busses as well.

[tc10a]

Having to go 1 hour instead of 15min to shakedown, which most likely will be without much snow if you go by the previous years, can't remember that i saw any snow at all down by Karlstad last year? It is always nice going to the end of day service to get the interviews and meet some friends and see the drivers. I don't think many of the ones who actually follow the rally will bother to go all the way down to Karlstad for that. Sweden is not an event that lacks in number of spectators so i don't see why Hagfors is a problem. Now the drivers have to do the long road section in rally cars instead of comfy cars or busses as well.

Yes, but also those lots and lots of people who always had their accomodation in Karlstad, as there was way too less hotels around Hagfors are happy of driving just 10 minutes instead of 50 minutes to old shakedown. So its just a matter of perspective.

And be honest in last 15 years there have been enough Rally Sweden with nice and more than enough snow around Karlstad. Yes, for sure also some without, but thats nature.

Rally Sweden has no spectator problem, but it never can be a bad thing to offer the possibilty to have more and more people able to come and see the service etc. in a bigger city like Karlstad.

[dimviii]

Sweden entries.No Kruuda
http://www.rallysweden.com/tavlingen/entries-wrc/

[PLuto]

Sweden entries.No Kruuda
http://www.rallysweden.com/tavlingen/entries-wrc/

It is not final yet...

[dimviii]

Sorry somebody on twitter said that they are the final

[COD]

Was a bit expecting Ketomaa as well

[Teme]

Now it's up to 54 entries and we have now H.Solberg with a Fiesta WRC in the list. But what's even better, there's a name of Emil Bergkvist with a DS3 R5!

[Sulland]

And Anders Grøndal has swapped his DS3, for a new Fiesta Evo.
As far as I have understood, he has not been happy with the handeling of the DS3 on gravel/snow.

Will be interesting to follow him in a new brand.

[Simmi]

Liking those late additions. I guess we'll see how many of them make the actual start of the rally now.

[tc10a]

So the probably final statistis, very nice:

16 x WRC
26 x R5
3 x S2000
3 x N4
1 x R3
4 x R2
1 x R1

54 entries = +28% to the average entries (42) of the last three years.

And 48 entries for historic competition.

[dodge33cymru]

Very top heavy list too, really shows the strength of the RC1 and 2 competition with the current number of R5s. I'll be surprised of there are many stronger RC2 classes in WRC events this year.

[pantealex]

Very top heavy list too, really shows the strength of the RC1 and 2 competition with the current number of R5s. I'll be surprised of there are many stronger RC2 classes in WRC events this year.

maybe Portugal.

[AL14]

Now it's up to 54 entries and we have now H.Solberg with a Fiesta WRC in the list. But what's even better, there's a name of Emil Bergkvist with a DS3 R5!

Someone knows who is backing him? Just sponsors or some manager?

[Rallyper]

Nothing yet in swedish newspapers about Emil B. Unfortenately this looks like a last minute thing. A one off. But let´s hope it works out well.
The driver we know. The Question is how about the team around when it comes to Rally Sweden?

[tc10a]

100+ entries for Rally Sweden 2016:
When registration for Historic closed at midnight, the number of entries landed at 48. This, coupled with the entries to the WRC increasing to 55 meant that the total number of entries for Rally Sweden in 2016 ended up at over 100.

http://www.rallysweden.com/2016/01/100-entries-for-rally-sweden-2016/

http://www.rallysweden.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Anm%C3%A4lan-Historic-642x427.jpg

[Mirek]

While I understand they want to present the event in as good light as possible the title simply isn't true. There are 55 crews who entered Rally Sweden. The others who entered different separate classifications are not competitors of Rally Sweden.

[BleAivano]

New shakedown needed for Rally Sweden. Looks like organisers forgot to ask first before announcing the new shakedown near Karlstad.

https://translate.google.co.uk/translate?sl=sv&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx%3Fprogramid%3D93%26artikel%3D6343263% 26utm_source%3Ddlvr.it%26utm_medium%3Dtwitter&edit-text=

Shakedown will be held at Alster stage which have been used before.

http://sverigesradio.se/sida/gruppsida.aspx?programid=2505&grupp=13839&artikel=6339868

[tc10a]

Shakedown will be held at Alster stage which have been used before.

http://sverigesradio.se/sida/gruppsida.aspx?programid=2505&grupp=13839&artikel=6339868

This was older News before this one:
http://sverigesradio.se/sida/gruppsida.aspx?programid=2505&grupp=13839&artikel=6343849

There it says that the Stage around Alster can not be run.

The plan for this stage was also in Rally Guide 1

[tc10a]

According to motor.blogg.kristianstadsbladet.se old shakedown stage Rada is a backup solution:
We have with it as a backup plan, in case the weather would be against us. Otherwise, we'll find a solution in Karlstad, says Magnusson VF.

http://motor.blogg.kristianstadsbladet.se/blogg/ahlin-kor-rally-sweden-stopp-i-alster-latvala-borde-laddat-i-baren-loeb-rullade-och-subaru-i-racing/

[tc10a]

While I understand they want to present the event in as good light as possible the title simply isn't true. There are 55 crews who entered Rally Sweden. The others who entered different separate classifications are not competitors of Rally Sweden.

If you want to be more than correct: 55 Crews entered WRC Rally Sweden 2016 and 48 Teams Rally Sweden Historic 2016, which both firm together the event Rally Sweden 2016 per definition and marketing from the organiser.

[Mirek]

Well marketing definition doesn't matter. What matters is classification and 55 crews entered one rally and 48 the other one. The fact they both take place in the same time is of course true but they are two different events with different rules, different classification and different competitors. Of course You might find my point as nothing but grumbling but I just don't like using misleading titles for marketing purposes.

[Mr. Loeb]

Good afternnon,

I'm a new member. I'm from Portugal and this year i will see rally Sweden and i have some doubts like what is recommended transport to fans between stages and karlstad city. Maybe i get help here...

Best regards

[Fast Eddie WRC]

@Craig_Breen today: I finally got to sit inside my new office, looks nice don't you think ? Countdown to Sweden has begun ! @AbuDhabiRacing1

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CYi2UdjWwAE1EQw.jpg

[Simmi]

Well marketing definition doesn't matter. What matters is classification and 55 crews entered one rally and 48 the other one. The fact they both take place in the same time is of course true but they are two different events with different rules, different classification and different competitors. Of course You might find my point as nothing but grumbling but I just don't like using misleading titles for marketing purposes.

Ironically it's a really strong entry number-wise by Sweden's standards. They didn't have to embellish the story in that way. But okay PR is PR.

Cool to see Mats Jonsson back out I guess. That is a autograph I need to try and get for the collection. Doubt I will ever see him at a rally again.

[Simmi]

Two more entries have dropped in

http://www.rallysweden.com/tavlingen/entries-wrc/

Henning Solberg's son - and Rendina in another R5. If someone wants to add Petter Solberg to the list too that'd be great.

[dodge33cymru]

Must. Not. Look. For. Flights.

[skarderud]

Two more entries have dropped in

http://www.rallysweden.com/tavlingen/entries-wrc/

Henning Solberg's son - and Rendina in another R5. If someone wants to add Petter Solberg to the list too that'd be great.
Petter worked with a start before Christmas, If he could get a up to date wrc car.
I would say a Ford, both in sweden and RX.

[skarderud]

I don't know If someone already wrote it, but the norwegian in a fabia R2, Henrik Elvestad, is a tv-host and comedian, that do things on tv to push himselves and make funny things on tv. He drive 1 rally before as far as i know, also on tv. That time the co-driver was Pekka lundefaret, lundefarets Brother :)

Bernt kollevold, the co-driver for sweden, work in VW rallyteam with Andreas Mikkelsen, and won the "klasse 13", the class for older 4wd (gr.a/gr.n) rallycars in the norwegian championship in 2015.
The car is the famous Toyota celica Petter Solberg used when he won the National championship, with 25 liter of Oil on the roof. This celica is also the same chassisnumber as auriol was disqualifed in -95 with the modified air intake / turbo.

[EightGear]

So also Jim van den Heuvel in his first event in the Lancer.
He's the younger brother of Jasper van den Heuvel.

[liposh]

And who is Maurik van den Heuvel who drives Scania truck in Dakar?

[EightGear]

And who is Maurik van den Heuvel who drives Scania truck in Dakar?

I believe he's not related, I hadn't heard of him untill now. ;)

[Lundefaret]

Good afternnon,

I'm a new member. I'm from Portugal and this year i will see rally Sweden and i have some doubts like what is recommended transport to fans between stages and karlstad city. Maybe i get help here...

Best regards

Either go the group tour rout with a company like Rally Travel, or go by Your self, but then You will need a car. The stages are easy to get to with the rally maps, and the rally is very spectacular. Just remember WARM clothing! The trick is layer up on layer, preferably with wool closest to the skin. Another tip is to use overshoes, outside Your boots (if You get cold on Your feet Your day is over), i recommend Neos Navigator. Good luck!

[Simmi]

A second Mini WRC added to the entrylist.

http://www.rallysweden.com/tavlingen/entries-wrc/

Mait Maarend run by Eurolamp WRT. I've only seen him at one event, but I'd assume he'll be beaten by most of the R5 guys.

[dodge33cymru]

It'll still sound excellent though.

[tc10a]

A second Mini WRC added to the entrylist. http://www.rallysweden.com/tavlingen/entries-wrc/

Statistics update:
17 x WRC
27 x R5
3 x S2000
4 x N4
1 x R3
3 x R2
1 x R1

;)

[tommeke_B]

Statistics update:
17 x WRC
27 x R5
3 x S2000
4 x N4
1 x R3
1 x R2

3xR2
1xR1 ;)

[BleAivano]

Good afternnon,

I'm a new member. I'm from Portugal and this year i will see rally Sweden and i have some doubts like what is recommended transport to fans between stages and karlstad city. Maybe i get help here...

Best regards

You'll need a car. I don't know if Rally Sweden will have a bus service this year. Informations is very sparse.
Best way to find out is to contact Rally Sweden and ask: http://www.rallysweden.com/boka/rally-bus/

[Mr. Loeb]

Either go the group tour rout with a company like Rally Travel, or go by Your self, but then You will need a car. The stages are easy to get to with the rally maps, and the rally is very spectacular. Just remember WARM clothing! The trick is layer up on layer, preferably with wool closest to the skin. Another tip is to use overshoes, outside Your boots (if You get cold on Your feet Your day is over), i recommend Neos Navigator. Good luck!

Thanks a lot, all the information is welcome, its a totally new weather and rally to me. Another question, its easy to drive to the stages? There is no snow in the roads? I need a rally pass to see the stages? In Portugal we only have permission to see in spectator zones, how it works in sweden?

[BleAivano]

Thanks a lot, all the information is welcome, its a totally new weather and rally to me. Another question, its easy to drive to the stages?
There is no snow in the roads? I need a rally pass to see the stages? In Portugal we only have permission to see in spectator zones, how it works in sweden?

Some of the larger roads in the area might be ploughed but there will definitely be roads with snow on them. Driving in snowy/icy conditions aren't easy but
as long as you drive carefully you should be allright and most modern cars will have various kinds of anti-spin and stabilisation aids.

To access the stages you will either need a rally pass or to pay entrance fee. Rally Sweden uses spectator areas as well but most people will walk along
the stage to find their own spot and I have never had any problem with that or being told that I/we aren't allowed to.

[tc10a]

Final entry list - approved by FIA:
http://www.rallysweden.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Official-Entry-List-2016.pdf

18 WRCs - Robert Kubica is now included!

[makinen_fan]

How come Sordo is registered with the N team? Isn't he the registered driver for the Manufacturer team?

[EstWRC]

Not for every rally as I understood

[tc10a]

How come Sordo is registered with the N team? Isn't he the registered driver for the Manufacturer team?

Yes, but with current rules the registered Driver only has to take part in at least 10 Events.

[makinen_fan]

Yes, but with current rules the registered Driver only has to take part in at least 10 Events.

Thanks. I was under the impression that he has to do all the events

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Final entry list - approved by FIA:
http://www.rallysweden.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Official-Entry-List-2016.pdf

18 WRCs - Robert Kubica is now included!

More in hope than expectation ...

[Bartek]

Nothing changed from yesterday, Sweden is not confirmed for RK

[Simmi]

Strange that Kubica never appeared on that rolling entry list at all but is on the final list.

As others have said they probably entered on the off-chance something comes together and the organisers were happy to put him on the list.

Interesting seeding for those Mini WRCs. Waaaay down the back.

[dodge33cymru]

Top seed of non-WRC entrants, par for the course. They did the same last year for the one or two WRC cars that weren't eligible for championship points I think.

[dimviii]

M-Sport ‏@MSportLtd

BRYNILDSEN GETS A NEW EVOLUTION FORD FIESTA R5 FOR RALLY SWEDEN

[Sso]

Bergkvist entered in wrc2, is this a wild card from organizers or will he do full championship?

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[Rallyper]

Bergkvist entered in wrc2, is this a wild card from organizers or will he do full championship?

Skickat från min ASUS Transformer Pad TF300TG via Tapatalk

As far as I know nothing official yet. Whole rallyworld is waiting for news.

[EightGear]

Car is from J-Motorsport in Belgium.

[skarderud]

M-Sport ‏@MSportLtd

BRYNILDSEN GETS A NEW EVOLUTION FORD FIESTA R5 FOR RALLY SWEDEN
He is evans teammate in the Msport "factoryteam" in sweden and probably Portugal, and hopefully rest of season If malcom is happy:)

[vino_93]

Top seed of non-WRC entrants, par for the course. They did the same last year for the one or two WRC cars that weren't eligible for championship points I think.

They did it for a lot of years. The slowest drivers with WRC aren't in the top of the list, but after the FIA sanctionned championships.
Last year, you have f.e. Coffey in Germany.

[tc10a]

Any News for Rally Sweden 2016 shakedown location?

[dupanton]

Bergkvist started a crowd funding action, to secure the budget to start in Sweden... Not looking good for him this season!

[AL14]

Bergkvist started a crowd funding action, to secure the budget to start in Sweden... Not looking good for him this season!

I think Rallyper is going to sell a kidney right now.

[Rallyper]

Bergkvist started a crowd funding action, to secure the budget to start in Sweden... Not looking good for him this season!

This is not anything new, however I told Mirek this about two hours ago. Maybe you got this from him, and he should tell you my feelings as well.

No kidney for sale. That´s for sure. If team bosses dont see he potential, so be it. And let WRC/ERC live it´s starving life without real drivers in the future.

[Simmi]

Man that's a shame. Was looking forward to seeing Emil in Sweden.

Saying he's resorting to crowdfunding is basically akin to a DNS.

I did think it was maybe strange that he wasn't at any of these Dmack Shootouts recently? Not sure if winning the ERC title somehow rules him out? But surely if he's got no money that would have been a great opportunity.

[EightGear]

Dmack shootout is only for the drivers of that cup in WRC.

[PLuto]

Bergkvist entered in wrc2, is this a wild card from organizers or will he do full championship?

There are no wildcards anymore. Everybody who wants can register into WRC2, no problem if only for one event...

[dupanton]

This is not anything new, however I told Mirek this about two hours ago. Maybe you got this from him, and he should tell you my feelings as well.



I got it from his facebook page :)

[Rallyper]

I got it from his facebook page :)

That´s a coincidence then. PM between me and Mirek about that amongst other things today actually. But his homepage had it for months. On FB today? If so his team might be desperate. Ooh I wish we had an another scenario for him.

[Sulland]

Maybe Even will use the window to pick up another talent!

[Rallyper]

I´ve looked at Emils FB which btw was locked a while ago (maybe my fault). However there´s a new funding to get him to start of Rally Sweden which they say is a must making this first step. They earlier had an other funding for the whole season of 2016.
On the other hand they tell the world Emil got four offers from worksteam or near worksteam after his ERC3-victory. They claim he still is hot stuff on the market.
(I´m asking myself then - why isn´t he in the middle of the market already???)

Malcolm - are you reading this?

[tommeke_B]

Maybe he already has a program but not for WRC2? ;)

[Jaume]

Hello everyone!

I recently moved to Sweden from Barcelona. I've been looking forward to go to this rally for a long time but a lot of questions arise.

Is the rally-pass mandatory? I mean, do you have to pay to see it out in the open roads?

Isn't it allowed to go into the road the night before and camp in there like we do where I come from? I know it's cold and all that but we are planning to go fully prepared.

We have a little camper-car and we've done it several times in spain but I do not know how it works here... :S

And finally, anyone going from gothenburg by road on the friday afternoon in a similar situation as mine and wants to join forces?


Thanks in advance!

Jaume.

[BleAivano]

Hello everyone!

I recently moved to Sweden from Barcelona. I've been looking forward to go to this rally for a long time but a lot of questions arise.

Is the rally-pass mandatory? I mean, do you have to pay to see it out in the open roads?

Isn't it allowed to go into the road the night before and camp in there like we do where I come from? I know it's cold and all that but we are planning to go fully prepared.

We have a little camper-car and we've done it several times in spain but I do not know how it works here... :S

And finally, anyone going from gothenburg by road on the friday afternoon in a similar situation as mine and wants to join forces?


Thanks in advance!

Jaume.

If you plan on entering at the spectator areas you will have to use a rally pass or pay for that stage only. If there is lot's of snow the other (non spec area) access roads
to the stages might not be ploughed so it might be hard to get into the stage.
But sure you can use your camper van if you like. There is usually a couple of them at the spectator areas. Roads are normally closed from early in the morning the day
the stage is run so it might be possible to go into the stage on the evening before (Friday in your case). I don't have any personal experience of camper vans or access the day
before so I can't give you anymore specific info in case it's incorrect or so.

[SubaruNorway]

Last year when we drove through Värmullsåsen on saturday to recce it after coming back from Fredriksberg or something they were about to close the road and tried to stop us. I think i have seen 16:00 the day before but they can't watch all access roads all night so should be possible anyway.

[tommeke_B]

Last year we also wanted to drive Torsby around 16 O'Clock the day before and the road was already blocked. It's clear that the organizers don't want any trouble caused by spectators being stuck the night before the stages. I don't know if there are passes for single stages and how much they are? That may be an option if you are not doing a lot of stages. Also I don't think it's possible to do a lot of stages with a camper van. Keep in mind that distances between stages are always much bigger and take more time than they look on the map... :)

[Sulland]

What is the status of the crowdfunding for Emil Bergkvists Swedish Rally participation?

[tc10a]

Hello everyone!

I recently moved to Sweden from Barcelona. I've been looking forward to go to this rally for a long time but a lot of questions arise.

Is the rally-pass mandatory? I mean, do you have to pay to see it out in the open roads?

Isn't it allowed to go into the road the night before and camp in there like we do where I come from? I know it's cold and all that but we are planning to go fully prepared.

We have a little camper-car and we've done it several times in spain but I do not know how it works here... :S

And finally, anyone going from gothenburg by road on the friday afternoon in a similar situation as mine and wants to join forces?


Thanks in advance!

Jaume.


There are more than enough very nice access roads to the stages and spectator parkings, from where you can walk into the stage wherever you want.
But it makes no sense to drive with a camper into the stages and may get stuck or find no parking place either.

[BleAivano]

. I don't know if there are passes for single stages and how much they are?

Previous years they have had single stage tickets (for like 200kr) but it seems that there aren't such tickets anymore and
thus you have to buy a full day ticket for 300SEK which can be bought when you enter the stage.

http://www.rallysweden.com/sv/boka/biljetter/

[hype]

Monte Carlo is over, looking forward to my first visit to Sweden Rally in three weeks :)

[Simmi]

Patiently awaiting news on Shakedown and also a few of the more 'at risk' entries on the entry list.

[tc10a]

Patiently awaiting news on Shakedown and also a few of the more 'at risk' entries on the entry list.

Yes news on the new shakedown location would be more than welcome.

[dupanton]

Bergkvist just confirmed on his FB page that he found the budget for Rally Sweden!
He is trying to get the budget to do 5 more rallies in WRC2.

[Simmi]

Bergkvist just confirmed on his FB page that he found the budget for Rally Sweden!
He is trying to get the budget to do 5 more rallies in WRC2.

Awesome news!

[Slipzen]

Last year we also wanted to drive Torsby around 16 O'Clock the day before and the road was already blocked. It's clear that the organizers don't want any trouble caused by spectators being stuck the night before the stages. I don't know if there are passes for single stages and how much they are? That may be an option if you are not doing a lot of stages. Also I don't think it's possible to do a lot of stages with a camper van. Keep in mind that distances between stages are always much bigger and take more time than they look on the map... :)

According to Rally Guide 2 Road closing schedule, all SS-roads are closed at 16.00 the day before. We have for some years tried to get in at 18.00 without any luck but as SubaruNorway states it might be possible to sneak in during the night?

[ruesluporp]

As the temperature is moving up in South Värmland, it will be more and more difficult to maintain a shakedown in Karlstad area as it was initially planned. I bet they will go back to Råda for shakedown...

Temperature in Värmland: http://www.yr.no/place/Sweden/V%C3%A4rmland/
Snow Cover : http://www.smhi.se/vadret/vadret-i-sverige/snodjup

[BleAivano]

As the temperature is moving up in South Värmland, it will be more and more difficult to maintain a shakedown in Karlstad area as it was initially planned. I bet they will go back to Råda for shakedown...

Temperature in Värmland: http://www.yr.no/place/Sweden/V%C3%A4rmland/
Snow Cover : http://www.smhi.se/vadret/vadret-i-sverige/snodjup


Weather forecast for the nearest 10 days: http://www.smhi.se/vadret#ort=2709214,Hagfors,Hagfors,Sverige,60.0333 33/13.65

[Sulland]

Bergkvist just confirmed on his FB page that he found the budget for Rally Sweden!
He is trying to get the budget to do 5 more rallies in WRC2.

Saw that the firm he rents the car from, also has a Fiesta, maybe he should request that one. Lessons identified from Norway is that on gravel/snow it is way better than the DS3!

[dupanton]

Saw that the firm he rents the car from, also has a Fiesta, maybe he should request that one. Lessons identified from Norway is that on gravel/snow it is way better than the DS3!

I don't think they will do that. They have 2 cars running in Sweden, but have only 1 Fiesta R5 and 3 DS3 R5s (afaik). So it would make sense to run the same cars, for spare parts etc.

[dupanton]

Also, he might have some support from Citroën Sweden??

[itix]

I remember loads of you asking about transport.
There is the official rally bus that go from a number of swedish towns:
http://www.rallysweden.com/boka/rally-bus/

[Simmi]

First withdrawal is Anders Grondal. Error in the entry process. He wanted to be entered in WRC2 but went down as non-priority.

Couldn't get it changed. Very strange

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=10156569631350235&id=605995234

[dodge33cymru]

I guess their comprehensive TV coverage couldn't fit an extra car in.

That's utterly bonkers. On Rally GB last year people were changing tyres, drivers and even cars until the last minute. Losing a competitive entry with finding for something so small is ridiculous.

[mousti]

Very frustrating for him, probably the most important rally for him of the season and then cancel it because a administrative error.

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[tc10a]

First withdrawal is Anders Grondal. Error in the entry process. He wanted to be entered in WRC2 but went down as non-priority.
Couldn't get it changed. Very strange https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=10156569631350235&id=605995234

Very strange. As Grondal was also in early lists already not listed as WRC-2 entrant, there should have been enough time to check and change until the FIA-approved list was pubished. Afterwards I understand, that it is not possible to change.

[SubaruNorway]

They sorted it out, so now he can drive anyway! :)

[dimviii]

Anders Grøndal


I have som great news!!!!!

After a super job by the Swedish Rally organiser and FIA. We will do the Rally in WRC2.

Thank you so much for the support! And thank you Rally Sweden and FIA.

[mousti]

Social media pressure :D

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[dodge33cymru]

Phew, sense prevails! So who's next to try and drop out.....? Is Kubica on the list still?

[Gregor Osredkar]

I'm going to visit Norway part of rally, SS Rojden and SS Kirkenaer. Can anybody advise me accesible points to see drifting at high speed. Are these 2 stages usually full covered with snow and ice?

[ruesluporp]

I'm going to visit Norway part of rally, SS Rojden and SS Kirkenaer. Can anybody advise me accesible points to see drifting at high speed. Are these 2 stages usually full covered with snow and ice?

Kirkenaer: you will not be disappointed!
That is a spectator favorite, situated on top of the man-made riverbank offering a perfect view over the stage. From there you can see the cars for more than one kilometer, standing on the 3 km long tribune. Snow everywhere! Photo taken 2 years ago from the slope.

http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/782786DSC00681.jpg (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=782786DSC00681.jpg)

[dodge33cymru]

Shakedown is agreed apparently, still just outside Karlstad (link in rumours thread)

[tc10a]

News regarding shakedown and weather:

Have you found a new shakedown stretch:
Yes, we are verbally agreed with the landowners. Now only two signatures before we can go out and tell us where the stretch run. We want to take it in the right order to not end up in the same situation as before. But I can say that even this route is located just over one mil from Karlstad.

Weather - no storm clouds:
I'm not a bit worried. We had hoped for a thaw which then is followed by severe cold and so be it. From next Wednesday, it will be sustained cooling of between 10 and 15 minus. Dry snow on the roads, we have not taken advantage of. It means only that we are down in the gravel directly.
There is a meter on ground frost Rally route. Now waiting for the organizers only that they be transformed into ice rinks. There is no problem on the route at Färjestad racetrack either. It is enough to water there for four or five days.

http://nwt.se/sport/motorsport/2016/01/28/vm-avtalet-chockhojs?refresh=true

[Simmi]

Well I sure hope they manage to get those final two signatures. If I was one of those people reading that (and not a rally fan) I might be inclined to hold out for a bit of money.

[M5]

Looking at the changes in climate in Europe during the latter years, and what is predicted in the years to come, there is time to move north to get more stabile winter conditions.
Maybe, the rally need to go all the way up to Østersund, where they have https://www.facebook.com/OstersundWinterrally , or even further north to Arjeplog if needed.

[AL14]

Is it to early to have a hint of how the surface will be at the rally and who will be advantaged?

[tc10a]

Is it to early to have a hint of how the surface will be at the rally and who will be advantaged?

Way too early. In two weeks we can have extreme winter conditions or even gravel roads.
Maybe in one week the picture will be more clear, but still not certain.

[BleAivano]

Looking at the changes in climate in Europe during the latter years, and what is predicted in the years to come, there is time
to move north to get more stabile winter conditions.Maybe, the rally need to go all the way up to Østersund, where they
have https://www.facebook.com/OstersundWinterrally , or even further north if needed.

Not gonna happen. Road conditions might be better but it is too far from the larger population areas in Sweden and Norway which I think
is the main "base area" from which RS spectators likely comes from. Moving the the rally to Östersund would likelyresult in less spectators, less sponsors and etc.
That is if Österund would be able to find the amount of sponsorship required to just be able to sign the contract.

Look at this map. The encircled area have a population of some 4-5 millions people. But you can also see that the area in-between is sparsely
populated just like the rest of western part of northern Sweden. Trondheim in Norway is a quite big city and Sundsvall and Umeå in Sweden are
also quite big (by Northern Europe standards) but apart from that this part of Scandinavia isn't particularly populated.

http://i.imgur.com/bpsMweF.png

[Gregor Osredkar]

862

You mean that part of SS?

[ruesluporp]

862

You mean that part of SS?

There are not a lot of public areas. Take a look at the map. The photo was taken on the slope at "P Bus".

http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/169861ES0506b.jpg (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=169861ES0506b.jpg)

http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/326504ES0506a.jpg (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=326504ES0506a.jpg)

[ruesluporp]

New shakedown is published: http://www.rallysweden.com/2016/01/shakedown-ready/

[BleAivano]

New shakedown is published: http://www.rallysweden.com/2016/01/shakedown-ready/

On google maps; https://www.google.com/maps/place/655+94+B%C3%A4ck,+Sverige/@59.4355737,13.7668096,13.42z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x465cb9b7d253eb73:0x2fbda6d1477fc 92b

[Fast Eddie WRC]

No entry for Kubica now officially confirmed.

[jbmarcus21]

Google Earth Map is online http://goo.gl/6Rb64Y

[bluuford]

Is it to early to have a hint of how the surface will be at the rally and who will be advantaged?

I have been observing their weather in recent weeks and it actually looks quite good. Sever minus degrees mixed with plus degrees are expected in next two weeks. Should be good conditions for ice to form. If it will not turn worse, then I expect thick ice layer, maybe less snow than usual but ice on the surface is the most important thing. If there are no plus degrees during the rally, then everything is OK.

[Rallyper]

The new shakedown stage were used in the 80´s. My first sight of the new Peugeot 205 GrB with Ari Vatanen was in the last corners in 84 or 85. Years are getting mixed up more and more... And what a car that was compared to the Audi quattros. A few years later or maybe 86 Stig B and Kalle Grundel did a failing try to drive Sierra 4WD Sweden built. However gearstick failed on 1st stage for Kalle and if I remember correct even for Stig later on. Bad welding that was.

[AL14]

I have been observing their weather in recent weeks and it actually looks quite good. Sever minus degrees mixed with plus degrees are expected in next two weeks. Should be good conditions for ice to form. If it will not turn worse, then I expect thick ice layer, maybe less snow than usual but ice on the surface is the most important thing. If there are no plus degrees during the rally, then everything is OK.

Thanks Bluuford once again. Who's happy with the thick ice layer? The firsts or the last in the order?

[Rallyper]

Minus degrees the last ones. Zero or higher the first one I believe.

[Micke_VOC]

https://www.instagram.com/p/BBKoqX4J7G-/
(Pic from today from Svullrya-stage)
Looks promising if the cold weather is back after the weekend.

[tc10a]

https://www.instagram.com/p/BBKoqX4J7G-/
(Pic from today from Svullrya-stage)
Looks promising if the cold weather is back after the weekend.

https://scontent-vie1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/12669576_982932835132943_5765850396939418639_n.jpg ?oh=b9d4fe682c566d5fa2ca2969d50d40fc&oe=57374909

very nice ice layer! No comparison to the last years.
Some cm of fresh snow and it would be perfect.

[BleAivano]

https://www.instagram.com/p/BBKoqX4J7G-/
(Pic from today from Svullrya-stage)
Looks promising if the cold weather is back after the weekend.

Forecasts predict cold weather for a few days next week then back to warmer weather with risk of rain Friday-Sunday with wind strengths above 10m/s.
However forecasts are usually unreliable and allot can still happen/change (in both directions).

Warm weather with rain in combination with strong winds are generally the worst possible scenario.

[BleAivano]

Conditions today on Värmullsåsen SS19/SS21 (PowerStage). Some parts ok ice.. @RallySweden (https://twitter.com/RallySweden) #WRC (https://twitter.com/hashtag/WRC?src=hash)



https://twitter.com/F_Gustavsson/status/693774244208066561

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CaDH_IuUYAA2vL6.jpg:large

[hype]

Not that much snow?

[tc10a]

Rammen today:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CaCsgscWcAAKKJ7.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CaCshZ2WcAEs_p5.jpg

https://twitter.com/F_Gustavsson/status/693744106116419584

[ruesluporp]

For those who will buy their magazine in Sweden!

Itinerary: https://app.box.com/s/nfh62rkxa5thp3hven5vspwbm79ikww9

SS 1 Karlstad SSS map: https://app.box.com/s/62qpb2aw2zv3nhp207ywhdn65esu9vb4
SS 1 Karlstad SSS info: https://app.box.com/s/49y5nyz7kxsfovlvgvn74f93avhrmmea

SS 2-9 Torsby map: https://app.box.com/s/ahn553zglc6hv1gtz6glujh5urvuwf0p
SS 2-9 Torsby info: https://app.box.com/s/nswfzo3owx39od1p6287spnlwsvea8sb

SS 3-8 Rojden map: https://app.box.com/s/5c3gja2exh28h339p2s465izmz4wzhhi
SS 3-8 Rojden info: https://app.box.com/s/82vnkgdugbwabjaktvxhqmy9mlrgljey

SS 4-7 Svullrya map: https://app.box.com/s/nljf43eq2sh97gk39qoabz3mb6kclrxy
SS 4-7 Svullrya info: https://app.box.com/s/k8bnbu19y3e27qcu5hu78qs6mfeo59c2

SS 5-6 Kirkenaer map: https://app.box.com/s/4wbh1g6njft8pvhlpj36zpbp34hg5ocb
SS 5-6 Kirkenaer info: https://app.box.com/s/y11nqtdjum3gmhqpedilgq3glxxt3ce9

More to come.

[jbmarcus21]

NEW POOL is now available for TOP3 @RallySweden .. Click 3 times with your thought ➡ http://goo.gl/KFr9hV

[ruesluporp]

SS 10-13 Fredriksberg map: https://app.box.com/s/nwer6ab60dugg8cqfi2mmwrjzcvq4eks
sS 10-13 Fredriksberg info: https://app.box.com/s/qhgxnudmtuini5zw0su43o49jesv7fqq

SS 11-14 Rammen map: https://app.box.com/s/62xz6955m5fepymapu96i728k6q92rvr
SS 11-14 Rammen info: https://app.box.com/s/5qggie1ki7nawpwmt0fsmqvcv9qj2dv7

SS 12-16 Vargasen map: https://app.box.com/s/z7kawpkqbiscrlcsel8972t88o3qc1pe
SS 12-16 Vargasen info: https://app.box.com/s/31oc3abf32bv2ji3j4f3pc0c6dp9vbb7

SS 15 Hagfors Sprint map: https://app.box.com/s/ghfis6mk789be2clnz54b8yxrdip263w
SS 15 Hagfors Sprint info: https://app.box.com/s/kt7r36hsgtuf3tqfy5tc6xods34pf54f

SS 17 = SS 1

[dimviii]

Fredrik Gustavsson ‏@F_Gustavsson

Me and @MagnusSafstrom are on the Shakedown stage. Some snow has arrived today, please stay❄️ @RallySweden #WRC

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CaJm6N5WAAAThqI.jpg

[ruesluporp]

Last day of the rally!

SS 18-20 Lesjofors map: https://app.box.com/s/w52e2w68ed6ukenxl9q8rcrhz9oehqib
SS 18-20 Lesjofors info: https://app.box.com/s/3tszgn2v3ewqywzjqg0krx8x3pvl3m9d

SS 19-21 Varmullsasen map: https://app.box.com/s/c1754hf2bldolksu8vbxp197tsri5c0z
SS 19-21 Varmullsasen info: https://app.box.com/s/ho3mmij5t06miqa7v06t7w34rxjp7r5w

[SubaruNorway]

Anyone able to film the shakedown some day?

[SubaruNorway]

Here's how the stage looks in summer at least.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOdVp2msO-I

[BleAivano]

Colin's crest: https://mobile.twitter.com/F_Gustavsson/status/694815334872801280

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CaR62l3WQAAPSbW.jpg

[dodge33cymru]

Flipping heck, that looks bare.

Just sorted out my trip for a couple of the days, hope it's a bit white than that!

Karlstad weather looks fairly balmy for the next week too :(

[liposh]

For sure Karlstad SSS will be gravel stage. Let´s hope in the forests it will be better.

[BleAivano]

forecasts says that there might be some snowfall next week so we'll see.

[Simmi]

Cutting it fine on weather this year. Did I read there could be some decent snowfall on the Thursday of the rally?

On a side note - really detest what the Rally Sweden organisers have done to Colin's Crest - putting a VIP tent all the way down one side. Not a great place to spectate in my opinion.

[tc10a]

Looks really bad, what a pitty.

[BleAivano]

Cutting it fine on weather this year. Did I read there could be some decent snowfall on the Thursday of the rally?

On a side note - really detest what the Rally Sweden organisers have done to Colin's Crest - putting a VIP tent all the way down one side. Not a great place to spectate in my opinion.

Forecasts says possible allot of rain/snow on this Sunday-Tueday then subzero temperatures from Wednesday next
week with some possibility of light snow on Friday next week

http://www.smhi.se/vadret/ortsprognoser#ort=2709214,Hagfors,Hagfors,Sverige, 60.033333/13.65;flik=0.

[tc10a]

Ok, so not all hope is already lost.

[dimviii]

DS3 R5 de J-Motorsport for Emil Bergkvist

http://forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_02_2016/post-177-0-91944200-1454498519.jpg

[janvanvurpa]

On a side note - really detest what the Rally Sweden organisers have done to Colin's Crest - putting a VIP tent all the way down one side. Not a great place to spectate in my opinion.

VIP tents??? in the middle of the woods? Va fan?
Allmännaa rätten! Va fan?
All those years of Sossarna in Riksdagen and they close off a part of the gawddam forest to put up ugly tents fär pamparna? Kupong klippare? Mördare!

What has happened to poor Sweden since I leave?

All those years of class-struggle to build a just and fair society.....and no snow....

Fie men fan... (skakar huv'ut)

[AL14]

Sorry, a VIP tent is a spot allowed only for vips? Common people could not reach it?
Are there such spots in the WRC???

I hope I've misunderstood the meaning of this "vip tent". Is ok if VIPs go in helicopter from stage to stage because they don't want to get their 1000 dolars shoes dirty, or because they don't want to walk for kms (what a pity for them, reaching a stage after spitting blood is a priceless feeling), but it can't be allowed in any of the multiple universes that they could stand in a tent where other people can't enter. Dear god, what's wrong with umanity?

[tc10a]

Forecasts says possible allot of rain/snow on this Sunday-Tueday then subzero temperatures from Wednesday next
week with some possibility of light snow on Friday next week http://www.smhi.se/vadret/ortsprognoser#ort=2709214,Hagfors,Hagfors,Sverige, 60.033333/13.65;flik=0.

There is quite an amount of precipitation forecasted. If this is really rain and not snow the stages could be in a very bad shape already before recce! Lets hope there is no Problem in running the Event. Reminds of the ERC Liepaja Situation.

[hype]

Please dear weather god, give us a little bit more snow.
This ought to be my first snow rally...

[tc10a]

The VIP place was already last year at Colins Crest, opposite of the specator area and the place has not lost any of his Special Spirit.
At probably every WRC Events VIP places like that exists. Nothing to worry.

[EstWRC]

man, the pictures from the stages and the weather forecast doesnt look good at all :(

[Rallyper]

VIP tents??? in the middle of the woods? Va fan?
Allmännaa rätten! Va fan?
All those years of Sossarna in Riksdagen and they close off a part of the gawddam forest to put up ugly tents fär pamparna? Kupong klippare? Mördare!

What has happened to poor Sweden since I leave?

All those years of class-struggle to build a just and fair society.....and no snow....

Fie men fan... (skakar huv'ut)

John, lugna ner dig nu! (Calm down a bit)

Every WRC rally has VIP-places, so this is nothing. And the place is so big area so no problem what I can see. Weather bigger problem.

[AL14]

John, lugna ner dig nu! (Calm down a bit)

Every WRC rally has VIP-places, so this is nothing. And the place is so big area so no problem what I can see. Weather bigger problem.
The fact every place has it, doesn't mean it's not stupid.
Of course it has nothing to do with Sweden or swedish people. It's related to the WRC in general, and to the mankind

[Simmi]

The VIP place was already last year at Colins Crest, opposite of the specator area and the place has not lost any of his Special Spirit.
At probably every WRC Events VIP places like that exists. Nothing to worry.

Yeah it was there last year too for the first time. All the best pictures of that jump are taken from that side - and now you need to pay extra to stand in there. Sure lots of places have VIP areas but usually those areas are much larger. Here they take basically 50% of the choice away when you get to the arena. There are lots of people stood in that bowl area to driver's left over the jump. Nice atmosphere but they aren't really seeing very much except the back of people's heads.

It just seems sacrilege to have that kind of structure out in the forest like that - especially when 75% of the imagery they use to sell the rally comes from that spot.

[janvanvurpa]

John, lugna ner dig nu! (Calm down a bit)

Every WRC rally has VIP-places, so this is nothing. And the place is so big area so no problem what I can see. Weather bigger problem.


Ja men ja men..You want to see there? Hike! and want a good spot? Hike early!

det smackar nåt ....Pamparna on the one side all spread out and on the other the great masses.
http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user92183/imageroot/2015/06/China.png

Trust me, you don't want to piss off the masses.. Next thing you know you have

https://thysteadfastlove.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/peasant-revolt.jpg

It could get ugly!

And no snow....sista stået!

What do we want_
SNOW!

When do we want it_

NOW!

[Rallyper]

Yeah it was there last year too for the first time. All the best pictures of that jump are taken from that side - and now you need to pay extra to stand in there. Sure lots of places have VIP areas but usually those areas are much larger. Here they take basically 50% of the choice away when you get to the arena. There are lots of people stood in that bowl area to driver's left over the jump. Nice atmosphere but they aren't really seeing very much except the back of people's heads.

It just seems sacrilege to have that kind of structure out in the forest like that - especially when 75% of the imagery they use to sell the rally comes from that spot.

But - as some of you guys often says: the show must go on and organizers need to bring money to feed FIA and on and on. So it comes out as more and more commercial to be able to carry out the event. Look at NORF. Same thing there. Good places are VIP places. But oc there are good places for average Joe as well. Like here in RS.

[Hartusvuori]

Look at NORF. Same thing there. Good places are VIP places.

Absolutely not true, or do you care to be more specific as I know you know Rally Finland well? VIP places in Finland are without exception on open areas such as fields and junctions. Good place is a subjective opinion, but for Rally Finland it ain't known for open fields sections or junction (well, open field Kakaristo junction is an exception, but there's plenty of room away from the VIP tents).

What comes to Colin's Crest - or similar wellknown areas on other events too, of course they are as crowded as they can be. There might not be another Colin's Crest in Rally Sweden, but for sure the event is not short of spectacular jumps, over crest jumps too. All up to your own preparation or your friends' prepapration to find those spots. Rally organisers have to hold a level of safety standards and plans, so of course they put places they can especially look after on spectator guides. The beauty of this sport in many countries is that spectating is not limited certain areas, but you're free to choose. Choose good.

[hype]

If the Shakedown is on gravel and the rest is (hopefully) ice and snow then the Shakedown is not really what it's meant to be?

[Hartusvuori]

If the Shakedown is on gravel and the rest is (hopefully) ice and snow then the Shakedown is not really what it's meant to be?

From the pictures there's rather solid layer of ice on the road. Remember that for most of January it was -5 to -25 celcius on that area for weeks. Frost goes way down. Forecast predicts minus temps for each night until the event and also minus temps during the day for some days closer to event. It's also better for Hagfors area. I'll be damned if the road open ups on muddy gravel.

[SubaruNorway]

If the weather on yr.no is true with constant + degrees from saturday morning until tuesday night with some rain I'm afraid there is no chance there will still be ice left on shakedown, maybe more like icy gravel. Hopefully they will move the service to Torsby next year and bring some new stages and old ones back like Likenäs, it's getting a bit same old now.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Micke Lindh ‏@MickeLindh

[Yesterday], pics from the beginning of Vargåsen-stage. Good layer of ice.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CaTJIduWwAEuPRq.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CaTJIfGW0AEmRJp.jpg

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Ostberg PET will be on Rally Finnskog

http://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/news/february-2016/ostberg-finnskog/page/3207--12-12-.html

[Rallyper]

Absolutely not true, or do you care to be more specific as I know you know Rally Finland well? VIP places in Finland are without exception on open areas such as fields and junctions. Good place is a subjective opinion, but for Rally Finland it ain't known for open fields sections or junction (well, open field Kakaristo junction is an exception, but there's plenty of room away from the VIP tents).

What comes to Colin's Crest - or similar wellknown areas on other events too, of course they are as crowded as they can be. There might not be another Colin's Crest in Rally Sweden, but for sure the event is not short of spectacular jumps, over crest jumps too. All up to your own preparation or your friends' prepapration to find those spots. Rally organisers have to hold a level of safety standards and plans, so of course they put places they can especially look after on spectator guides. The beauty of this sport in many countries is that spectating is not limited certain areas, but you're free to choose. Choose good.

Colins Crest doesn´t differ from any VIP place at NORF. There will be places for everyone at Colins C. However NORF has so many other places for us nerds... :)
That´s what I meant.

[hype]

Two weeks ago I was looking at the temperatures in Hagfors, they had -20 degrees back then.
I was scared and didn't know what clothes to bring...
I already bought a fleece face mask :D

[Zeakiwi]

Could the 2016 Swedish Rally be like 1997 - ice with little snow, sparks off the studded tyres?

[drive]

Two weeks ago I was looking at the temperatures in Hagfors, they had -20 degrees back then.
I was scared and didn't know what clothes to bring...
I already bought a fleece face mask :D

just dont forget to take umbrella with you :) you would be fully prepared :)

[Gregor Osredkar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-t23bGje8s

Is that first or second jump on a map SS Kirkenaer?

[bluuford]

Two weeks ago I was looking at the temperatures in Hagfors, they had -20 degrees back then.
I was scared and didn't know what clothes to bring...
I already bought a fleece face mask :D

You might still need them. Long term forecast predicts cold weather and sometimes very cold weather for the next weekend :) But rally should run with quite small amount of snow, quite Ok ice layer and cold temperatures. Hopefully forecast is OK and we do not have additional surprises.

[BleAivano]

some more pics
http://www.vf.se/sport/bilsport/oroande-vaderlage-rallyt
http://www.vf.se/sport/bilsport/bildextra-laget-pa-rallystrackorna

[ruesluporp]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-t23bGje8s

Is that first or second jump on a map SS Kirkenaer?

That's the first jump!

[skarderud]

Two weeks ago I was looking at the temperatures in Hagfors, they had -20 degrees back then.
I was scared and didn't know what clothes to bring...
I already bought a fleece face mask :D
Here is a short video, in norwegian https://youtu.be/cxavXTtJnKc

Its understandable to look at the video, but the main thing is wool close to the body is the most important. A facemask is not so important If is not below -20;)

If its wet, the most important is to stay dry. Its cold like hell If its +2 and you are wet.
Good waterproof shoes is most important, a good tight hat that cover your ears is also most important, as you loose 70% of bodyheat thru head.

[hari]

@anne_sveatroll: Start Lesjöfors stage today:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CaXiTVAW4AEf2pt.jpg

Today at Rämmen Stage :
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CaUuvuYW4AISPmL.jpg

[ruesluporp]

Malcom Wilson: Ostberg can beat Volkswagen in Sweden!
http://www.crash.net/wrc/news/226394/1/wilson-ostberg-can-beat-volkswagen-in-sweden.html

[hype]

Weather forecast says +4 degrees and rain for the next days (Hagfors).
This could wash away a lot of the snow?

[skarderud]

Weather forecast says +4 degrees and rain for the next days (Hagfors).
This could wash away a lot of the snow?
Yes, It will be ice instead of snow.
Tomorrow its rally Finnskog, this is the same area and stages that been used at rally norway and the norwegian part of rally sweden.
Its going to be a mess i'm afraid of, with +3 and 5mm of Rain.

[BleAivano]

Weather forecast says +4 degrees and rain for the next days (Hagfors).
This could wash away a lot of the snow?

Possible new snow on Wednesday and Friday but no subzero temperatures though.

[Simmi]

Anyone know if Henning Solberg is actually turning up to this one?

[mousti]

Where's my world rallying subforum? :cool:

Smilies on this page don't work.

http://70.47.127.172/forums/misc.php?do=showsmilies

I think so. Will be family happening. Stepson and son are starting too, all behind the wheel!

Verstuurd vanaf mijn Nexus 5 met Tapatalk

[Sulland]

Anyone know if Henning Solberg is actually turning up to this one?

Henning got a picture of a blue car ready for Sweden from Mr Wilson today, so yes he is ready.

Oscar is doing well in slushi conditions at Rally Finnskog, and will do Sweden as well!

http://www.resultater.rallyfinnskog.no/resultater2/10
http://www.radiomotor.no/livecenter/

[Wold]

Is the service located to Karlstad this year ? ( think I read that it would not be at Hagfors this year ) Could not find it at www.swerally.se ?

[BleAivano]

Is the service located to Karlstad this year ? ( think I read that it would not be at Hagfors this year ) Could not find it at www.swerally.se (http://www.swerally.se) ?

Yes it will be located in the harbour area, However it will not be open to the public since I think they will be using remote services?

[Wold]

Ok Thanks, no need to go down to Karlstad one the way home...

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CafD9ycWcAA5_0E.jpg

[SubaruNorway]

Yes it will be located in the harbour area, However it will not be open to the public since I think they will be using remote services?

It's only morning and evening service, no midday service just tyre and light fitting zone in Hagfors.

[diegoalju]

Hi! I think this is the rodjen stage... anyone knows this spot??

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Etu5c7hPduM

thanks

[BleAivano]

Actually it seems that the service area will be open but there is very limited parking possibilities.
http://www.vf.se/sport/bilsport/vmstallen-pa-plats

[EstWRC]

Why i have a feeling that this rally will be cancelled? Just look at the forecast with rain and + degress and some pictures from the stages

https://scontent-bru2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xta1/t31.0-8/12646655_10153770156055733_3251504077113699106_o.j pg
https://scontent-bru2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpl1/t31.0-8/12694480_10153770156095733_7068359335813433084_o.j pg
https://scontent-bru2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpt1/t31.0-8/12698434_10153770156155733_1778978327816273488_o.j pg
https://scontent-bru2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/t31.0-8/12657389_10153770156225733_7946980541339083304_o.j pg

[Rallyper]

If zero or just below on nights there will be no problem. Let´s wait and see. But for sure it doesn´t look good.

[bluuford]

Do not worry, the rally will take place, there will be minimal amount of snow but plenty of frost, so, it will be frozen surface with some snowdust on top and more snow in the forrest. The only thing that sound s a bit unrealistic for me is Karlstad SSS. Latest forecast is promising but it is changeable, however, it seems that low pressure area is weakening and cold air is flowing slowly in, so, most of the rally will be on the edge, NW stages shoudl get more cold and snow and S+SW stages less snow and warmer temperatures. So, it will be like normal Liepaja conditions in past couple of years :P

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Finnskog went ahead OK even though it was very wet and slushy.

But I always wonder what effect all the safely and recce cars has going over the roads... they must all wear through the snow layer...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Molly Pettit ‏@Mollysport
The road conditions at Rally Finnskog.. Close to Sweden.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CajySwlUMAAd_vH.jpg:large

[hari]

Hi! I think this is the rodjen stage... anyone knows this spot??

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Etu5c7hPduM

thanks

Its here: 60°27'04.7"N 12°33'43.4"E
https://www.google.at/maps/place/60%C2%B027'04.7%22N+12%C2%B033'43.4%22E/@60.451307,12.559857,17z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0x0?hl=de

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Hayden Paddon : Really nice to have our hands on this machine - not so much snow but good feeling with the car.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CanG4iyWcAEg6mM.jpg:large

[jonkka]

Why i have a feeling that this rally will be cancelled? Just look at the forecast with rain and + degress and some pictures from the stages


Yeah, even without cancellation such scenes aren't helping Swedish Rally's bid to be the sole snow event in the calendar.

[Rallyper]

Have you guys already forgotten last few years. Such as "best rally evr" "so much snow" "WoW!" ...?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

rallytravel.com ‏@rallytravel
Great new fast jump on SS Svullrya to rival Colin's Crest - but some more snow would be nice please !!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CanPd28WcAIFwsZ.jpg:large

[Allyc85]

Shakedown to be moved after protests over it..

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/122725

[EightGear]

That's quite old news TBH.

[dimviii]

Brynildsen

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cal-c7QXEAAvn1W.jpg

[zdr65]

Hi all,
We will go first time in Sweden rally.
Want to look the fast section with jump.
Our plane for second day is Colins Crest, third day is a big jump before finish of Power stage.
Where can we watch the jumps in first day?
GPS coordination for jump SS Svullrya?
Best regards,
Zdravko

[Filip Giedo]

I really like M-Sport's this year livery. Nice scheme, simple colours and quite 'agressive' look as a result. Whom do you expect to do better job from Fiesta R5 factory guys, Elfyn of Eywind?

[tc10a]

Wow, Kirkenær Stage looks very very bad...

@TorAndreBorrese

https://scontent-vie1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/t31.0-8/s960x960/12697153_10153770653515733_6761765093069271304_o.j pg

[diegoalju]

Thanks a lot!!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Sweden's SVTSport says Rally Sweden is in "crisis mode" due to the weather...

https://justpaste.it/r6ye