Wrc Espana-Catalunya 2015

[itix]

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Østberg was incredibly lucky to get away with that I think. Not sure from which direction the car hit that curb, but even if it was head on, that is a high curb. Jonas will be sure to have felt that one!

[the sniper]

I really wonder what the future holds for M-Sport. With the occasional exception, they aren't competitive anywhere, normally finishing a distant 7th or 8th or worse, and its been that way for a very long time now. How much longer will Malcolm continue with this fruitless endeavor? I do wonder….

Slight exaggeration there. On the eight occasions that Elfyn has finished in the points this season, six of them were 6th place finishes or better, including two 4th places, a 3rd and a 2nd. Ott has also normally been good for 5th or 6th, and got a 3rd. Points wise M-Sport aren't too far off Hyundai and Citroen. Certainly they're not setting the world alight, but without manufacturer backing and with the driver line up they have, I honestly don't think Malcolm is doing too badly. If he can keep the finances in order, why stop?

[itix]

Slight exaggeration there. On the eight occasions that Elfyn has finished in the points this season, six of them were 6th place finishes or better, including two 4th places, a 3rd and a 2nd. Ott has also normally been good for 5th or 6th, and got a 3rd. Points wise M-Sport aren't too far off Hyundai and Citroen. Certainly they're not setting the world alight, but without manufacturer backing and with the driver line up they have, I honestly don't think Malcolm is doing too badly. If he can keep the finances in order, why stop?

I don't claim to know their budget, but I have a feeling they might be the team with the most "speed per euro" of the current batch. Hyundai is for sure the one with the least "speed per euro" of the current teams and I do hope their 2016 car will be faster.

Citroen probably receives the least amount of money from their manufacturer (not counting ford which are real cheapskates in my opinion... c'mon, you are receiving advertisement for free here and your finances are better again so pay up!). Abu Dhabi and Total together with their customer programmes (including wrc junior) probably makes up the vast majority of their budget.

VW for sure has the biggest budget... you can tell by just walking around in the service park. They have a well balanced budget from sponsors and manufacturer although I hope the dieselgate will lead to them receiving far less from the manufacturer.

[AMSS]

M-sport/Malcolm made a net profit 2014 of £6,8 million, in this area of work I`d say that`s really good. Some of our UK friends can probably check this up somehow..

[bluuford]

Do not worry, RAS007 has always been negative on M-Sport side. Probably he was fired from there because he did not met their standards. He only posts when he has somethoing bad to say about them, check his posts if you do not belive me.
I think they were doing OK. Old car was slow and some unluck as well, new car was fast but a bit unreliable and some very good results were not achieved because of this, but that is normal if you are not VW and you do not have billions of budget.

[AndyRAC]

M-Sport are doing fine. No need to worry about them. They’ve plenty of customer programmes, plus the Bentley GT3 programme.

[AL14]

M-Sport are doing fine. No need to worry about them. They’ve plenty of customer programmes, plus the Bentley GT3 programme.

Still I hope Wilson will go east to find some proper sponsor. Economically they are ok but it would be nice to see them competitive. I hope he will meet some big chinese wallet.
BTW we should everybody thanks this guy. Ok, he does it for money but he gave very much to rally. I think he kept also WRC alive when there were just two brands and he was being beated constantly by Citroen.

[skarderud]

To go to china in this time, is not a smart move. It a big finacially break-down coming up there. Sooner or later it will happens something there, that will influence on european economics as Well.
Maybe for next season its ok, but not any longer.

[RAS007]

Do not worry, RAS007 has always been negative on M-Sport side. Probably he was fired from there because he did not met their standards. He only posts when he has somethoing bad to say about them, check his posts if you do not belive me.
I think they were doing OK. Old car was slow and some unluck as well, new car was fast but a bit unreliable and some very good results were not achieved because of this, but that is normal if you are not VW and you do not have billions of budget.

You are quite wrong, of course, and your attempt at an ad hominem attack made me smile. I posted the below on these forums earlier ths year, and it states exactly how I felt about M-Sport then, and now.



"I think if they had been able to win the driver's crown, just once even, in the last 18 years, I would feel differently. Don't get me wrong, I am a Ford fan through and through (look at my username), and I was a fan of Malcolm's when he was a driver (K202 HNO Michelin Pilot Escort RS Cosworth 1:18 model is in my study!). But, I can't help feel that perhaps Ford wouldn't have withdrawn factory support so readily if M-Sport had delivered more success over Malcolm's 18 years in charge. Maybe I am wrong; I am aware that without Malcolm, there may no Ford at all in the WRC. That is to say, I am very well aware of his immense contribution to the sport overall, and am thankful for it. Malcolm Wilson Motorsport started out as a customer preparation outfit, and I think they have returned to their roots, for reasons not entirely of their own making. The analogy that comes to mind is of a football club: if Malcolm was the manager of a football team, he would have been punted upstairs a long time ago, into a thoroughly deserved Director of Football role, due to his service to the club, but a new manager with a new approach would have been appointed a long time ago to try and deliver silverware. I am aware that this analogy doesn't translate directly to the WRC and its unique economic drivers, but hopefully you get my point…..Anyway, just my thoughts.

Edit: one last thing I'd like to say is that I dearly wish it had been different. I would have loved nothing more than for Malcolm to bring home the driver's crown for Ford with Sainz (in 1997 or in the dream team of 2001 with McRae and Delecour!) or with McRae, or with Martin, or with Gronholm, or with Hirvonen, or with Latvala, or even with Kankkunen back in 1998. Anyway, as I said, just my thoughts."

[wia5958]

Cant blame wilson for no drivers title. Mcrae 01 could of won it crashed gb gronholm 07 could of won it crashed in ireland. Hirvonen in 10/11 could of won it a fair few of the years of the citroen/ford battle the drivers title went to the last round. Cant say wilson didnt produce a car capable of winning when it was drivers that lost the championship.

[denkimi]

we all have to thank m-sport, since they are the only one's selling wrc cars to privateers.

[dimviii]

https://youtu.be/KWszOFp_ZWo

[jbmarcus21]

My footage #video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00pxmp2T_RU

[AL14]

Very nice comparison Sweden/Spain wins.

https://www.facebook.com/ole.myrmel/videos/10156124324630431/

Note the difference between the two: In Sweden is one of the many wins for Ogier and he celebrate soon. In Spain is Mikkelsen's maiden win, more emotional but he still says: "this is not the way I wanted to win but..." and then celebration.

[stefanvv]

It's been hard work for both of them in these 2 rallys. It is normal to celebrate....

[AL14]

It's been hard work for both of them in these 2 rallys. It is normal to celebrate....

Celebrate is good. They both do it.
Class is another thing though.

[dimviii]

It's been hard work for both of them in these 2 rallys. It is normal to celebrate....

its funny how you want to make an excuse for Ogier always.

[Toyoda]

its funny how you want to make an excuse for Ogier always.

It's funny how you want to bag Ogier,

[skarderud]

It's funny how you want to bag Ogier,
Its quite easy to bag ogier...

[dimviii]

It's funny how you want to bag Ogier,

where is it? quote please cant find it.

[stefanvv]

its funny how you want to make an excuse for Ogier always.

Well, I'll just say that I'm considering a victory in Sweden for non-Nordic driver an achievement. That was my point - Ogier worked hard for it, not underestimating Mikkelsen's one, not at all.

[AL14]

Well, I'll just say that I'm considering a victory in Sweden for non-Nordic driver an achievement. That was my point - Ogier worked hard for it, not underestimating Mikkelsen's one, not at all.

This is not the point. The point are the reactions.
Ogier celebrated soon (rightfully).
Mikkelsen said "this is not the way I wanted to win but..." and then celebrated (rightfully and showing more style than his teammate, although it was his maiden and for-years-searched WRC win).

[RAS007]

its funny how you want to make an excuse for Ogier always.

That's quite a statement from the man who cannot bear to see a negative word on these forums about his leotarded hero.

[stefanvv]

This is not the point. The point are the reactions.
Ogier celebrated soon (rightfully).
Mikkelsen said "this is not the way I wanted to win but..." and then celebrated (rightfully and showing more style than his teammate, although it was his maiden and for-years-searched WRC win).

Yes I know, Mikkelsen wanted to make his win by beating the best there, and we know who that was. I don't remember the exact history of Sweden this year, but didn't Ogier had some problem there early in the stages (mistake probably)?

[dimviii]

That's quite a statement from the man who cannot bear to see a negative word on these forums about his leotarded hero.

when these ''negative words'' are full of nonsence,yes cant bear.

[SubaruNorway]

Yes I know, Mikkelsen wanted to make his win by beating the best there, and we know who that was. I don't remember the exact history of Sweden this year, but didn't Ogier had some problem there early in the stages (mistake probably)?

So did Mikkelsen, so they were more or less equal on mistakes there.
The exiting thing about Mikkelsen is that he's continuing to show progress, so hopefully he can reach Ogier's pace regularly within a year or two, although it might seem impossible that anyone ever will.

[stefanvv]

So did Mikkelsen, so they were more or less equal on mistakes there.
The exiting thing about Mikkelsen is that he's continuing to show progress, so hopefully he can reach Ogier's pace regularly within a year or two, although it might seem impossible that anyone ever will.

Frankly I was impressed by his speed on Spanish tarmac as well. Wish him good luck in his future campaigns. Supporting any driver with ambition and skills to achieve his highest goal.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Good gallery: http://www.timoanis.eu/en/?gallery=wrc-rallyracc-catalunya-2

[EstWRC]

and also Jaanus Ree http://jree.ee/gallery/wrc-spain/

[denkimi]

So did Mikkelsen, so they were more or less equal on mistakes there.
The exiting thing about Mikkelsen is that he's continuing to show progress, so hopefully he can reach Ogier's pace regularly within a year or two, although it might seem impossible that anyone ever will.

i don't understand why anybody would expect mikkelsen to make enough progress to beat ogier or even latvala.
he's been driving rally's for 9 years now, its his 3th wrc season in a works team. if he cant match the pace of ogier now, he will most likely never be able too match it.

[SubaruNorway]

i don't understand why anybody would expect mikkelsen to make enough progress to beat ogier or even latvala.
he's been driving rally's for 9 years now, its his 3th wrc season in a works team. if he cant match the pace of ogier now, he will most likely never be able too match it.

Remember that Ogier got some insane amounts of testing Km's in 2012 and Mikkelsen has had a lot less testing these last years than the other two. He's also been ahead of Latvala overall for most of the last two seasons. The things that's happened to him in the past could be the things that gives him the hunger needed to be the best as well, we will see ;) Hopefully he won't be another guy that wins championships when a Seb has gone...

[janvanvurpa]

i don't understand why anybody would expect mikkelsen to make enough progress to beat ogier or even latvala.
he's been driving rally's for 9 years now, its his 3th wrc season in a works team. if he cant match the pace of ogier now, he will most likely never be able too match it.


Three whole years--how many hours in car total I wonder?

No matter!

yeah, just xxx hours in a fabriks car and he can't beat the best man active in the world---what a total loser...

NOT even a man really. prolly wears dresses under his Nomex rompersuit.


Hey if you PM Lundis he can probably send you Mikkelsens home adress and you can drive by and tell him is no match--and he go back to GruppH 240 Volvo..

[dimviii]

http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2015/photos/rallyracc_catalunya_-_costa_daurada_2015/jpo_0093-mikkelsen-test.jpg
http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2015/photos/rallyracc_catalunya_-_costa_daurada_2015/jpo_0103-breen-pn.jpg
http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2015/photos/rallyracc_catalunya_-_costa_daurada_2015/jpo_0155-kubica-pn.jpg
http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2015/photos/rallyracc_catalunya_-_costa_daurada_2015/jpo_0084-alattiyah-sb.jpg
http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2015/photos/rallyracc_catalunya_-_costa_daurada_2015/jpo_0141-protasov-pn.jpg

[rallyace]

I think that we now know the real reason behind Ogier's bad luck on the power stage... ;)

http://jree.ee/gallery/wrc-spain/#image-27

Picture courtesy of Jaanus Ree at jree.ee.

[Mirek]

PSA non-homologated stuff, part xxx+1 :)

In post event scrutineering FIA stewards found that rear axle beams of cars No.83 and 84 were not according to the homologation. As usually the parts were supplied by Peugeot Sport and Peugeot itself claimed there was a mistake in the homologation form (it is said it was some holes which are not present on the photo). FIA decided that Peugeot has to pay 30 thousand Euro fine and cover expenses connected to putting stuff in order.

For more information read the steward decisions
No.5 where problem was found: http://www.rallyracc.com/2015/online/tablon/documentos/Stewards_decision_5.pdf
No.6 where decision was taken: http://www.rallyracc.com/2015/online/tablon/documentos/Stewards_decision_6.pdf

[rayh_mx]

I have not see this... but it's seem like student arquitect model
http://jree.ee/media/CACHE/images/photos/167/fia_world_rally_championship_2015_spain_jr_2210201 5_0162/46f2b8b6f10cc994846dd5fbe76da64c.jpg

[N.O.T]

I have not see this... but it's seem like student arquitect model
http://jree.ee/media/CACHE/images/photos/167/fia_world_rally_championship_2015_spain_jr_2210201 5_0162/46f2b8b6f10cc994846dd5fbe76da64c.jpg

search google for tilt and shift photography...

https://www.google.gr/search?q=tilt+shift+photography&safe=off&espv=2&biw=1276&bih=678&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAWoVChMI8ObjzaGGyQIVxd9yCh1fBACa

[rayh_mx]

How do you see? :D
http://img.autocosmos.com/contenidos/galerias/1600x1200/GAZ_607c07ddf39e422a9c73dab88a74f1a3.jpg