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Brother John

11th December 2006, 19:00

David Richards want Valentino Rossi in WRC

http://www.rallye-magazin.de/index.php?PHPSESSID=f8c0c5bb49cafd07de000a1100be99 35&newsID=9661&view=news_detail
Richards want Galli in M2 team
http://www.rallye-magazin.de/index.php?PHPSESSID=f8c0c5bb49cafd07de000a1100be99 35&newsID=9197&view=news_detail
Duval still not certain!
http://www.rallye-magazin.de/index.php?PHPSESSID=f8c0c5bb49cafd07de000a1100be99 35&newsID=9665&view=news_detail
:s mokin: translate it yourself with;
http://babelfish.altavista.digital.com/

GunsofNavarone

11th December 2006, 21:35

babelfish is the greatest invention ever.

Brother John

14th December 2006, 11:20

WRC and Swedish rally championship back on the national TV sender SVTin 2007 + 2008! :D
http://www.bilsport.se/news.php?id=41302
http://svt.se/svt/jsp/Crosslink.jsp?d=33874&a=721584&from=rss

Brother John

4th March 2007, 20:31

New Focus will be ready in August
Just Before Rallye Finnland Ford koms with the Evolution Focus07 WRC. The Tests are already going on in full speed! :s mokin:

http://www.rallye-magazin.de/index.php?PHPSESSID=f8c0c5bb49cafd07de000a1100be99 35&newsID=10015&view=news_detail

jparker

5th March 2007, 08:01

From "Duval still not certain!" article:
"But one still speculates even whether Suzuki builds at all a World Rally Car and itself not concentrated on the super 2000-Kategorie."

So what does it means, we may not see Suzuki WRC at all?
That sucks if true.............

Tomi

5th March 2007, 08:33

[quote="Brother John"]New Focus will be ready in August
Just Before Rallye Finnland Ford koms with the Evolution Focus07 WRC. The Tests are already going on in full speed! :s mokin:

Should be the first event for Suzuki WRC as well.

SubaruNorway

6th March 2007, 11:01

FIA's Fifteen Crucial Rally Issues

http://www.rallynorway.com/en/news/fiacrucialissues.html

SubaruNorway

6th March 2007, 23:12

Seems like Australia is ready for 2008

Brother John

26th June 2007, 13:12

Josti

26th June 2007, 13:32

Does he continue, or does Marcus Groenholm step out to the year end? This question employs the Rallye scene at present at most.
With his team boss Malcolm Wilson, Marcus Grönholm agreed upon that they will meet in the two-month summer break, in order to talk about the future. In Greece Wilson avoided the topic, he will not set its most valuable employees under pressure. Wilson promised Grönholm that he will not negotiates seriously before with no other driver .
http://www.rallye-magazin.de/index.php?PHPSESSID=2edljpfcj92d27d8ckbm0kk3c0&newsID=10481&view=news_detail

Hope he will stay another year, otherwise Latvala would be the best replacement I think.

Later this year, Dutch driver Peter van Merksteijn will drive a '06 Ford Focus WRC at the Deutschland Rally. Their's a slight rumour his son (Peter van Merksteijn Jr.) will drive for the Stobart team next year. He's defenitly a driver to watch. This year he will compete probably in some WRC events with a Group N Lancer.

MikeD

26th June 2007, 15:04

New Focus will be ready in August
Just Before Rallye Finnland Ford koms with the Evolution Focus07 WRC. The Tests are already going on in full speed! :s mokin:

Should be the first event for Suzuki WRC as well.

No, Suzuki dropped Rally Finland. They will only compete in Tour de Corse and Rally GB this year.

Tomi

26th June 2007, 16:26

No, Suzuki dropped Rally Finland. They will only compete in Tour de Corse and Rally GB this year.

yes much has changed since the beginning of march.

Corny

26th June 2007, 19:19

Their's a slight rumour his son (Peter van Merksteijn Jr.) will drive for the Stobart team next year.

Degene die dit gerucht bedacht heeft, zal zeer zeker dronken zijn geweest!

306 Cosworth

26th June 2007, 19:23

Can't wait to see the SX4 WRC on Rally GB! Will there be two cars out or just one?

ste898

26th June 2007, 19:38

Dave Richards should go and play in F1 and keep his Stupid nose out of WRC!!!!!

Roy

26th June 2007, 19:43

Degene die dit gerucht bedacht heeft, zal zeer zeker dronken zijn geweest!

;)
I think you are right what you saying about Stobart. Nice rumour, out a drunk mouth.

Josti

26th June 2007, 22:27

Degene die dit gerucht bedacht heeft, zal zeer zeker dronken zijn geweest!

Ik hoop het niet ;)

No seriously, Merksteijn Jr. will most certaintly drive the Focus WRC next year in some WRC events. He and his dad were already in talks with Malcolm Wilson, but of course that was mainly about the car. However, I can't believe that wasn't the only thing they talked about. Of course, Still rumour talks though.

Corny

27th June 2007, 06:32

at least they've got the money!

MikeD

27th June 2007, 10:33

Can't wait to see the SX4 WRC on Rally GB! Will there be two cars out or just one?

That's still not decided. But I have heard that they expect 2 cars for Tour de Corse.

If Suzuki are to learn from these two rallies, before the 2008 season, it would make most sense to enter two cars (or more) to get some tarmac and gravel experience.

Flyinglex

27th June 2007, 11:14

Are rumours about hyundai 'returning' in 2009 just rumours or they want to take part in wrc?

Simmi

27th June 2007, 11:20

Josti

27th June 2007, 12:11

van Merksteijn appears to be competing on the Eifel Rallye in July in a Focus from what I can make out. A warm-up for Germany I would assume. Has he done any other rallies in a Focus?

http://www.rallye-magazin.de/index.php?PHPSESSID=f8c0c5bb49cafd07de000a1100be99 35&newsID=10515&view=news_detail

That's van Merksteijn senior who's been more active in the 90's. It will be his first outing with the Focus 06 (he had to wait until Ford had their 07 version of the car). Probably in preperation of the Deutschland rally (as for most of the other Dutch drivers too on the Eifel). His son will drive this car next year as far as I know, and maybe in Stobart form for the WRC events.

JAM

28th June 2007, 11:04

Are rumours about hyundai 'returning' in 2009 just rumours or they want to take part in wrc?

The rumours about Hyundai are around since the team leave the WRC in 2003 and on these 4 years we didn't see nothing.

AndyRAC

28th June 2007, 11:48

The rumours about Hyundai are around since the team leave the WRC in 2003 and on these 4 years we didn't see nothing.

There's more chance of seeing Ferrari in WRC than Hyundai back in WRC.

Brother John

28th June 2007, 12:04

Source: Altavista translation of
http://www.rallye-magazin.de/index.php?PHPSESSID=2edljpfcj92d27d8ckbm0kk3c0&newsID=10520&view=news_detail
Wednesday, 27 June 2007
When Marcus Groenholm turns the back too WRC actually at the end of the season , stands Fords without a Nummer-1 driverthere.
The search for replacement is difficult. HARDLY TO REPLACING: Ford prepares on Groenholm door forwards with its team head Malcolm Wilson Groenholm agreed upon that one meets in the two-month summer break, in order to talk about the future.
The M-Sport-boss promised its most expensive employee that it negotiates before with no other driver seriously. Besides Groenholm is anyway not replaceable. "Petter Solberg is not free, and otherwise Marcus and Loeb play in their own league" , say Wilson.
He hopes for a further increase with number two-pilot Mikko Hirvonen. "it increased still times. The first day in Greece was very encouraging ", Wilson hopes for an achievement thrust with the Finn. If Hirvonen should state the team 2008, Jari Matti Latvala is a candidate for the second cockpit.
The fact that it is thing already constituted that the 22-year old from Stobart transfers in the work cockpit denies Wilson.
The achievements of the Youngsters are it still too varying. With possible candidates Wilson brings the name to Atkinson on the Tapet.
The Australian would actually be free to the year end. With Subaru the continuous weakness of the Impreza corroded it moderately severe. Atkinson stands however allegedly also on the desire note of Suzuki. The Youngster drove in the Australian championship for the Japanese and stands with sport boss Nobuhiro Tajima highly in the course. But Atkinson is probably only one nebula candle of the Ford team head. "perhaps we will quite surprise, mean all" Wilson. On the free market only few Toppilots are, under it to Tony Gademeister and Gianluigi Galli. Both did not win however ever a WM run.

White Sauron

28th June 2007, 14:00

Citroen want to take maximum from NORF!!!

Now after tests Sordo will participate in a Finnish Rally Championship' round! Next week-end....

Source - IS and YLE

J.Lindstroem

28th June 2007, 15:43

Citroen want to take maximum from NORF!!!

Do they really want that?

Im suuprised White Sauron.

White Sauron

28th June 2007, 16:04

Do they really want that?

Im suuprised White Sauron.

Surprised with what?

I just wanted to emphasize that while Ford seems to be quite relaxed and self-confident before Finland, Citroen aren't taking it easy and do their best to prepare to this rally.

A.F.F.

28th June 2007, 16:20

Surprised with what?

I just wanted to emphasize that while Ford seems to be quite relaxed and self-confident before Finland, Citroen aren't taking it easy and do their best to prepare to this rally.

Surely aren't folks at Ford either. They just seem to be ;)

White Sauron

28th June 2007, 17:08

Surely aren't folks at Ford either. They just seem to be ;)

Ok, but just note: last week-end - Loeb in Donegal, nthen during the week Loeb and Sordo on tests in Finland, than this week they are on tests in Germany, and next week-end Sordo is doing Kouvola rally. So, 3 very bus weeks for the team, but no news about Ford testing during this period of time... Strange...

DonJippo

28th June 2007, 18:33

Ok, but just note: last week-end - Loeb in Donegal, nthen during the week Loeb and Sordo on tests in Finland, than this week they are on tests in Germany, and next week-end Sordo is doing Kouvola rally. So, 3 very bus weeks for the team, but no news about Ford testing during this period of time... Strange...

Ford was two weeks ago in Spain and will be testing in Finland next week.

White Sauron

28th June 2007, 19:00

Ford was two weeks ago in Spain and will be testing in Finland next week.

Yeah, I know. But 2 weeks missed while Citroen are testing all these 4 weeks.

Simmi

28th June 2007, 20:12

This isnt F1 WS! I think Citroen might just have a few more Euros to spend then Ford too.

amberie

28th June 2007, 20:27

This isnt F1 WS! I think Citroen might just have a few more Euros to spend then Ford too.

But Ford is the team running six cars, versus Citroen's two. Maybe instead of running another two teams, Citroen is using that extra money to improve the one team they've got.

Does anyone know of any published budgets for the WRC teams? I couldn't imagine it being more expensive than a single aerodynamic wind tunnel for F1.

DonJippo

28th June 2007, 20:54

But Ford is the team running six cars, versus Citroen's two. Maybe instead of running another two teams, Citroen is using that extra money to improve the one team they've got.

Does anyone know of any published budgets for the WRC teams? I couldn't imagine it being more expensive than a single aerodynamic wind tunnel for F1.

Ford is running only one team the other two M-Sport runs have seats for sale so the drivers are paying to drive.

It's said the biggest WRC team has a budget of 30mil€ annual, which is one tenth of a big F1 team budget...

Gard

28th June 2007, 22:57

I tought Subaru used about 50 mill€ and that was about half of Citroen

Halvis

29th June 2007, 11:34

A couple of weeks ago, I read in some norwegian newspaper that the new Subaru won't be ready till' the beginning of next season as planned. It was said that it wouldn't be ready until summer '08.

Old news? Have anyone else heard of this?

bennizw

29th June 2007, 13:34

No shock that it'll be late, new Subaru's have always been late.

G249XDP

29th June 2007, 17:06

I tought Subaru used about 50 mill€ and that was about half of Citroen

For 2007 Citroen have half the budget they had in 2005, which was a huge budget and probably why they had a blinding season. Usually Citroen's budget was restrained because of PSA, the parent company, paying for a Peugeot team as well. In fact Citroen were denined a budget to run a Xsara WRC team at first, because there was already the 206.

Now I'm not sure of the reason for a 'half' budget, maybe because of Peugeot in Le Mans??, but I do know that because of the smaller budget they can't afford to run a third car with someone who could score more manufacturer points than the inexperienced Sordo.

M-Sport have been very tactical I think by filling up the field with 2006-spec Focuses, making it harder for other teams to go away from an event with 'easy' points.

Dom

jparker

29th June 2007, 17:59

For 2007 Citroen have half the budget they had in 2005, which was a huge budget and probably why they had a blinding season. Usually Citroen's budget was restrained because of PSA, the parent company, paying for a Peugeot team as well. In fact Citroen were denined a budget to run a Xsara WRC team at first, because there was already the 206.

Now I'm not sure of the reason for a 'half' budget, maybe because of Peugeot in Le Mans??, but I do know that because of the smaller budget they can't afford to run a third car with someone who could score more manufacturer points than the inexperienced Sordo.

M-Sport have been very tactical I think by filling up the field with 2006-spec Focuses, making it harder for other teams to go away from an event with 'easy' points.

Dom

It will be fun to see Citroen getting the title with less cars compared to Ford. That will make my year :)
... but, I have to admit that's wishful thinking.

wrc_flipper

29th June 2007, 18:06

So what is happeming on Monday at 7am?....

Brand new WRC launch - watch live!

WRC.com will exclusively bring you a brand new WRC launch live on Monday 2nd July. Full details will be announced on the day. Watch free from 0700hrs GMT!

Viking

4th July 2007, 16:37

WRC goes biofuel from 2009 :up:

From FIA.com:

WORLD MOTOR SPORT COUNCIL
29.06.2007

The following tenders were decided by the World Motor Sport Council:

Shell has won the tender to be the sole fuel supplier to the FIA World Rally Championship from 2008 to 2010. It will continue to supply the current type of fuel in 2008 and from 2009 will switch to a second-generation biofuel, which will further reduce CO2 emissions.

Pirelli has won the tender to be the single tyre supplier to the FIA Junior Rally Championship from 2008 to 2010.

jbmarcus21

4th July 2007, 23:25

Anybody can translate what Marcus said in this video ....

http://www.yle.fi/media/asxgen.php?file=tvurheilu/Ralli%20-%20Marcus%20Grönholmi n%20kuulumiset.wmv

He spoke finnish in his shop wife apparently but what he said ??.. He speak about rally ? He speak about the shop ??.. He say something about his future.. ?

Thanks..

DonJippo

5th July 2007, 00:16

Anybody can translate what Marcus said in this video ....

http://www.yle.fi/media/asxgen.php?file=tvurheilu/Ralli%20-%20Marcus%20Grönholmi (http://www.yle.fi/media/asxgen.php?file=tvurheilu/Ralli%20-%20Marcus%20Gr%C3%B6nholmi) n%20kuulumiset.wmv

He spoke finnish in his shop wife apparently but what he said ??.. He speak about rally ? He speak about the shop ??.. He say something about his future.. ?

Thanks..

He speaks about the season, how the first half has gone and that it's good to have a little break. He also said that after Finland he will decide about the future.

jbmarcus21

5th July 2007, 00:44

thank you for your translate... ;-)

CWJ

5th July 2007, 09:06

2 Porsche GT3 will start at WRC Rally Germany with a special FIA permission within the international starters group behind S1600.

http://www.rallye-magazin.de/index.php?PHPSESSID=9s515jr939qf0db8mmgb7s9uj4&newsID=10541&view=news_detail

SubaruNorway

12th July 2007, 20:56

Rumors Andreas Mikkelsen will drive a 06 Focus next year in the whole championship and some national events

DonJippo

12th July 2007, 21:11

Latest rumours say Marcus is going to continue for another year in WRC with Ford... http://www.iltalehti.fi/urheilu/200707126342757_ur.shtml ... nothing official yet.

pino

12th July 2007, 23:04

Latest rumours say Marcus is going to continue for another year in WRC with Ford... http://www.iltalehti.fi/urheilu/200707126342757_ur.shtml ... nothing official yet.

Great news...if true :D

noel157

13th July 2007, 01:28

Rumors Andreas Mikkelsen will drive a 06 Focus next year in the whole championship and some national events

Hi Sub, I was speaking to Andreas and Ola last month (stayed in same hotel ). The plan at present is only to enter the European WRC rounds next year and if this goes well a full programme in 09. Andreas still realises that he has much to learn and taking on a full WRC schedule is too soon in his career. Sounds sensible to me.
Also the team have ordered 2 or maybe 3 06/07 Focus models for the 07 season. 2 of the teams' old model cars are currently advertised for sale, available after Rally Ireland / Rally GB.

Roy

20th July 2007, 13:59

Allessandro Bettega drives Focus WRC06 in Corsica under Stobart M-sport flag

http://www.trtlascuderia.com/cgi-bin/bin/news.cgi?task=v&lang=ENG&id=931

Josti

20th July 2007, 14:09

Allessandro Bettega drives Focus WRC06 in Corsica under Stobart M-sport flag

http://www.trtlascuderia.com/cgi-bin/bin/news.cgi?task=v&lang=ENG&id=931

Awesome news :up:

Time for a new Italian up front.

pino

20th July 2007, 14:11

Great news :D

sal

20th July 2007, 14:37

Allessandro Bettega drives Focus WRC06 in Corsica under Stobart M-sport flag

http://www.trtlascuderia.com/cgi-bin/bin/news.cgi?task=v&lang=ENG&id=931

Bloody hell! What an event to do bearing in mind the family history surrounding the event. Good luck to the guy.

AndyRAC

20th July 2007, 15:07

Bloody hell! What an event to do bearing in mind the family history surrounding the event. Good luck to the guy.

I thought exactly the same.

feresc13

20th July 2007, 15:08

Bloody hell! What an event to do bearing in mind the family history surrounding the event. Good luck to the guy.

Yes, I thought the same! What a rally to make his debut with a WRC...

But I'm happy because this year young drivers are having their own chances in WRC, and maybe this will mean that WRC will win competitors and emotion like some years ago when 5 different drivers could win. Good luck for him.

Donney

20th July 2007, 15:35

Best of luck for the new Bettega :up:

Racing Ka

20th July 2007, 16:09

Allessandro Bettega drives Focus WRC06 in Corsica under Stobart M-sport flag

http://www.trtlascuderia.com/cgi-bin/bin/news.cgi?task=v&lang=ENG&id=931

Are they still coming to Finland with Fiesta?

Motorsportfun

21st July 2007, 11:36

They have stopped the JRC programme with Fiesta S1600

Sweetlamb95

23rd July 2007, 20:47

AndyRAC

23rd July 2007, 21:27

Unfortunately the FIA gives no Permission for the two Porsche GT3 to start within the WRC field.The organising club the ADAC offers them to start at the very last in an own,seperate section.
I wouldn`t be surprised if the two guys wonn`t start at all after all these mess and muddle between the FIA and ADAC during the last months they might be pissed off....
Bad for the pilotes and the fans anyway. :mad: :mad: :mad:
Greets
Sweetlamb95 :vader:
Probably because they'd show up the previous cars that had started the stage. Much as I love Rallying, I know what I'd rather see, a WRCar or a Porsche 911 GT3? Mmmm, not a tough decision.

Tomi

23rd July 2007, 21:47

Unfortunately the FIA gives no Permission for the two Porsche GT3 to start within the WRC field.The organising club the ADAC offers them to start at the very last in an own,seperate section.
I wouldn`t be surprised if the two guys wonn`t start at all after all these mess and muddle between the FIA and ADAC during the last months they might be pissed off....
Bad for the pilotes and the fans anyway. :mad: :mad: :mad:
Greets
Sweetlamb95 :vader:

I think its a very good desition, this way there is no chance they **** up the rally in any way, you just have to remember what did happen in RAC a few years back, then it nearly desided the championship.
If the fans are fans they wait no problem.

feresc13

26th July 2007, 17:39

Find here some pics of the last Ford tests done in Catalonia. For what I know, the driver it has been Markko Märtin

http://www.altacompeticio.com/2007/testfordoscar/index.html

Fischer

26th July 2007, 19:02

Markko Martin? Now this really belongs in the rumours thread.

DonJippo

26th July 2007, 19:47

Most probably this was related to the Pirelli tyre tests.

COD

26th July 2007, 21:39

Most probably this was related to the Pirelli tyre tests.

But weren't those supposed to be done in "old spec" cars??

ao25AC

26th July 2007, 22:20

But weren't those supposed to be done in "old spec" cars??

Yes. WRC06 is "old spec".

Jaanus

27th July 2007, 08:07

EU55 BNA is "old" 2006 spec car and yes it was Markko Märtin testing the Pirelli tyres.

teufel

27th July 2007, 10:14

EU55 BNA is "old" 2006 spec car and yes it was Markko Märtin testing the Pirelli tyres.

Could this be a hint for next year's lineup at Ford?

ttiirika

27th July 2007, 10:18

Could this be a hint for next year's lineup at Ford?

Not necessarily. See: http://www.motorsportforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=119558

Brother John

23rd August 2007, 12:49

Astra will form, according to an Italian site, the b team for Citroën with one or two, C4's it is not mentioned . concerning drivers?
I think if this is real we see T. Gardemeister as their driver! :s mokin:

pino

23rd August 2007, 14:26

Brother John

23rd August 2007, 14:39

Link ! :p :
Found it on Belgium forum! This thread be called News & rumours! :s mokin:

http://www.autosportforum.be/showpost.php?p=30933&postcount=662

Josti

23rd August 2007, 15:01

That's one great rumour :)

DonJippo

23rd August 2007, 15:02

Link ! :p :

http://www.motorsportforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=322915&postcount=46

;)

René

23rd August 2007, 15:17

Link ! :p :

Here the original link !

http://www.racingworld.it/rally/notizia2.php?idtitolo=4449

rus

23rd August 2007, 15:23

http://www.motorsportforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=322915&postcount=46

;)

@BJ : If you can't beat them, join them. You're almost living in Finland. A small step for you, a big step for humanity...

Bazza2541

23rd August 2007, 20:43

Hirvonen to do Cork 20.

MJW

23rd August 2007, 21:51

[quote="Bazza2541"]Hirvonen to do Cork 20.[/QUOTE or Wexford Sept 8th,

Roy

24th August 2007, 20:15

More Duval in action in European tarmac events?

Marc van Dalen said: "I am working like hell for that - believe me! We are working very hard to find the money so he can do the next event in Europe. There are four rallies left in Europe and the entries close on August 30 for Spain, so I have seven days left to find the money. I am quite optimistic though because there are a lot of people around me who are trying to help me. Everybody is pushing for that and I hope we can do it. It is very important for all of us."

http://www.crash.net/news_view~cid~4~id~153377.htm

A.F.F.

24th August 2007, 20:19

Maybe a tiny cash-splash from the direction of Citoren ??? ;)

COD

25th August 2007, 10:35

Maybe a tiny cash-splash from the direction of Citoren ??? ;)

That is more than likely. Stobart should also replace one of its drivers by a tarmac specialist...

cut the b.s.

25th August 2007, 12:05

That is more than likely. Stobart should also replace one of its drivers by a tarmac specialist...

Would be interesting, but who would you pick? Not too many out there with recent experience at the sharp end

User

25th August 2007, 12:39

Maybe a tiny cash-splash from the direction of Citoren ??? ;)
Citroen Sport allready contributed 50% of the budget needed for Spain. (probably in parts)

A.F.F.

25th August 2007, 12:46

Yep, but if I was Guy Fréquelin, damn right I'd support every factor that might take away points from Marcus. So i guess it won't be just parts in forthcoming rallyes.

rus

27th August 2007, 08:49

DonJippo

27th August 2007, 10:14

Subaru is showing interest in Duval for next year. Dudu wants to play with Ford to put pressure on Citroen for the remaining European events. For Suzuki he said: only paying drivers like Garde will get the wheel. It's getting crazy in the Belgian camp... :crazy:

According to the latest count Subaru seems to be in talks with almost half a dozen of drivers... about Suzuki seems that he did not get the seat... :rolleyes:

Brother John

27th August 2007, 11:40

If Citroën not suport Duval and Subaru, Ford, Suzuki don´t want him it will be IRC ore nothing! I told it before, In Belgium you will find now big sponsor!

Roy

27th August 2007, 12:09

now or no ;)

Brother John

27th August 2007, 12:11

If Citroën not suport Duval and Subaru, Ford, Suzuki don´t want him it will be IRC ore nothing! I told it before, In Belgium you will find no big sponsor!

I mean NO sponsor!!

rus

27th August 2007, 12:39

If Citroën not suport Duval and Subaru, Ford, Suzuki don´t want him it will be IRC ore nothing! I told it before, In Belgium you will find now big sponsor!

Why do you think he needs a Belgian sponsor? It's a worldchampionship isn't it? Is BP Finnish? What is the need for Belgian publicity in NZ, Mexico, Argentine, Greece,...? The main problem is that he can't pay a drive. As simple as that. So if no manufacturer want or can't afford his skills, it will be as you mentionned IRC or nothing; I can agree with that.

Buzz Lightyear

27th August 2007, 12:55

Why do you think he needs a Belgian sponsor? It's a worldchampionship isn't it? Is BP Finnish? What is the need for Belgian publicity in NZ, Mexico, Argentine, Greece,...? The main problem is that he can't pay a drive. As simple as that. So if no manufacturer want or can't afford his skills, it will be as you mentionned IRC or nothing; I can agree with that.

Exactly. Maybe the tide is beginning to turn for the manufacturers. Ford, Citreon and now Subaru all want to win rallies.. but they need to pay for decent drivers. Gardemiester is NOT going to win rallyies.. Duval is. If I was a works team with, with a $25m budget for example, I would be paying for a decent driver.

Suzuki will try the PPD (pay per drive) option for a year or two, but if they want to win rallies, they will have to stump up.

We must not forget, these teams are GLOBAL car manufacturers, spending maybe $800m to develop and launch a new road car. To pay a driver $500K is not big spenditure.

Mise

28th August 2007, 16:28

Josti

28th August 2007, 16:30

According to IS Veikkaaja (Finnish magazine) Suzuki is reconsidering
their WRC program, because the new WRC (cars based on GrN or S2000
cars) is starting either 2009 or 2010. Osamo Suzuki will decide this week
wheather they will continue the WRC project or not.

I thought 2012. Can't believe they will withdrew just like that.

Roy

28th August 2007, 16:34

According to IS Veikkaaja (Finnish magazine) Suzuki is reconsidering
their WRC program, because the new WRC (cars based on GrN or S2000
cars) is starting either 2009 or 2010. Osamo Suzuki will decide this week
wheather they will continue the WRC project or not.

Allways the same with only-motorsport media. No news, we make news. And: bla-bla story is printed. 2012 is a long way to go.

AndyRAC

28th August 2007, 16:35

I can't believe they would pull out at this late stage, or would they???

Mise

28th August 2007, 16:43

Is Veikkaaja also says that J-M Latvala's manager Timo Jouhki has been
talking with Subaru, but J-M is not going away from Ford. He will drive another
season with Stobard and then move to BP Ford 2009 if his deveploment continues
to satisfy Malcom Wilson

Mikko Hirvonen will drive the CORK Rally.

Markko Märtin will drive the 0-car on that same rally with GrB MG Metro .

Simmi

28th August 2007, 19:20

A.F.F.

28th August 2007, 21:59

What did FIA do wrong now ? :confused:

They made a rules with simple timetable. That's it.

raybak

28th August 2007, 23:48

There are rumours that Suzuki are entering Australian Champs in 2009 with possibly an S2000 car converted from a current S1600 car.

Ray

L5->R5/CR

29th August 2007, 00:23

Apparently the Suzuki thing is being rethought because implimented car changes could be brought in as early as 2009. That's what it says in Autosport anyway. I think the 2012 thing is when its supposed to be an amazing championship again or something...

I must admit I thought it was a bit of a strange time to enter the WRC with all the changes being brought in. I still hope they do but its not really worth it for just a year is it - if that is the case. All these changes and decisions cant be healthy for any prospective teams but I blame Suzuki for waiting until now as much as I do for the FIA/2012 people for changing their minds.

Would have had to have happened in the last month or so...

Tajima-san seemed very keen about the SX4 WRC and you could see that look of dread in the eyes of the Suzuki Sport full timers at PPIHC when I mentioned it.

Not saying they aren't re-thinking their timetable, but pulling out, I so severely doubt it.

I could see them pushing back the full season launch, but not scrapping the program.

As for the Aus S2000 program, wouldn't surprise me, there have been grumblings in North America about a SX4 of once sort or another in one of the championships for a little over 16 months...

HaCo

29th August 2007, 09:59

There are rumours that Suzuki are entering Australian Champs in 2009 with possibly an S2000 car converted from a current S1600 car.

Ray
Now that would be great! :)

Hope though, Suzuki will come in WRC!

GigiGalliNo1

29th August 2007, 10:25

I can't believe they would pull out at this late stage, or would they???

Ridiculous pulling out. It has to be rumor and not the truth!! Silly.

A.F.F.

29th August 2007, 10:41

If I was the head of Suzuki, I would do the exact same thing.

AndyRAC

29th August 2007, 11:05

If I was the head of Suzuki, I would do the exact same thing.

I think I know what you mean, but the amount of money they've spent in testing and developing the car. Now they've only just realised it might be a waste of time. Mmmm,....awaiting further announcements!

Buzz Lightyear

29th August 2007, 11:26

it shows what a mess the situation is in. ISC/FIA should be doing everything to help Suzuki... not lead them up the garden path.

AndyRAC

29th August 2007, 16:51

CONFUSION!!! 2012, or is it 2009, WRCars, S2000,???!!!???

DonJippo

29th August 2007, 17:10

CONFUSION!!! 2012, or is it 2009, WRCars, S2000,???!!!???

It was supposed to be 2012 but as quoted on this thread it seems some sources are saying that the WRC car based on GrN / S2000 might be introduced already as early as 2009. Thus Suzuki is said to be re-evaluating their current WRC program and making a decision about it during this week.

Simmi

29th August 2007, 18:42

it shows what a mess the situation is in. ISC/FIA should be doing everything to help Suzuki... not lead them up the garden path.

With all due respect to Suzuki their participation isn't going to massively improve the championship. I think the most important thing is for the FIA top brass to get the fundamentals right which will hopefully lead to many more manufacturers entering. To me this has to be done sooner rather then later so we can get out of the early development stage and expected dip in spectacle as soon as possible.

As I said previously I dont think Suzuki should have bothered personally. I'm sure they probably haven't been kept right up to speed with developments but they knew talks were on-going with a view to 2012 etc. Now is not the time to be developing anything other then an S2000-based machine and as A.F.F. says Suzuki would be better cutting their losses.

COD

29th August 2007, 19:28

Tomi

29th August 2007, 19:35

The biggest problem with FIA is that they are incompetent their desitions changes day by day, that makes it difficult for manufacturers to adapt, after 1 desition is made they should stick to that, their acting like windmills cost alot of money for the teams.
It really would be a pity if Suzuki has developed a wrc car for nothing. In my opinion the best would be to stick to the original 2012 plan, all teams would have time to develope the car, and FIA maybe would get some credibility.

Buzz Lightyear

29th August 2007, 19:54

What is this S2000 based WRC? Anyone have link to that?

It is really confusing, because if you add turbo to current S2000 machines, they are same as current WRC-cars without active central diff and ridicolous wings. :confused:

http://www.fia.com/mediacentre/Press_Releases/FIA_Sport/2007/June/270607-01.html

WORLD RALLY CHAMPIONSHIP

From 2009, there will be 12 events in the FIA World Rally Championship. A detailed regulation around this decision will be examined by the FIA World Rally Championship Commission and presented to the WMSC in October.

From 2012, it was agreed in principle that world rally cars will be four-wheel drive and turbo-charged, based on mass-produced Group N and S2000 specification cars. Cost reducing measures will also be introduced.

For the rest of the 2007 season, it is reiterated that World Rally events cannot be run without an efficient safety tracking system in place, as deemed by the FIA.

Tomi

29th August 2007, 20:26

Tomi Tuominen will replace Jakke Honkanen as Toni Gardemeisters new codriver.

A.F.F.

29th August 2007, 21:53

Tomi Tuominen will replace Jakke Honkanen as Toni Gardemeisters new codriver.

I hope Erkki Vanhanen doesn't replace him at MTV3. It's too much to hear him at Urheilukanava :s

Tomi

29th August 2007, 22:00

I hope Erkki Vanhanen doesn't replace him at MTV3. It's too much to hear him at Urheilukanava :s

I did criticise quite heavy when they did choose Tuominen to host the rally program on MTV3 Max, but I have to say he has been quite good, much different from that time he was in the F1 program, I hope they find a good replacement.

A.F.F.

29th August 2007, 22:13

I guess Tuominen was better at Max because at MTV3 he wasn't ;)

Tomi

29th August 2007, 22:22

I guess Tuominen was better at Max because at MTV3 he wasn't ;)

Yes he was, also he listened to requests, twice i sent e-mail to him and requested a guest and reasoned why, twice the guests arrived to the studio answering about the issues.

DonJippo

29th August 2007, 22:30

Yes he was, also he listened to requests, twice i sent e-mail to him and requested a guest and reasoned why, twice the guests arrived to the studio answering about the issues.

Tomi Tuominen is also posting on a Finnish rally forum, Ralli.net and there you have a possibility to give comments and feedback about the program. Take a look there is some interesting reading and statistics in there plus that you will also notice that the feedback given to producers has had an effect to the structure of the program.

jparker

30th August 2007, 05:56

If I was the head of Suzuki, I would do the exact same thing.

I kind of predicted this back in March, but many people were laughing at me at that time.

http://paradise.motorsportforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=115197&page=2&highlight=suzuki

I guess the tests in France didn't go well as expected.

Leon

30th August 2007, 06:34

Tomi Tuominen will replace Jakke Honkanen as Toni Gardemeisters new codriver.

For which events. What is Garde program after Germany?

Zes

30th August 2007, 07:46

For which events. What is Garde program after Germany?

It has to be Suzuki... Poor Toni, he is going to miss factory seat once again, if Suzuki withdraws.

René

30th August 2007, 08:28

2008 it's could be a better way for Toni !

C4 with Astra-PH sport world Team !

COD

30th August 2007, 10:35

http://www.fia.com/mediacentre/Press_Releases/FIA_Sport/2007/June/270607-01.html

WORLD RALLY CHAMPIONSHIP

From 2009, there will be 12 events in the FIA World Rally Championship. A detailed regulation around this decision will be examined by the FIA World Rally Championship Commission and presented to the WMSC in October.

From 2012, it was agreed in principle that world rally cars will be four-wheel drive and turbo-charged, based on mass-produced Group N and S2000 specification cars. Cost reducing measures will also be introduced.

For the rest of the 2007 season, it is reiterated that World Rally events cannot be run without an efficient safety tracking system in place, as deemed by the FIA.

Thanks. Still doesn't answer the question, how does it really differ from current WRC-vars?

DonJippo

30th August 2007, 10:44

Thanks. Still doesn't answer the question, how does it really differ from current WRC-vars?

Remains to be seen but my questimation is that it's related to material/ technology restrictions in drive-train, suspension and engine area.

Xsara Fan

30th August 2007, 11:02

2008 it's could be a better way for Toni !

C4 with Astra-PH sport world Team !

As I know PH-Sport has talks with Citroen Sport about using Citroen C4 WRC next year...

jparker

30th August 2007, 18:51

Remains to be seen but my questimation is that it's related to material/ technology restrictions in drive-train, suspension and engine area.

In the FIA press release they mentioned simplified gearboxes as well, similar to what the cars in IRC are using now.
I hope they do so, otherwise I'll be very disappointed.

SubaruNorway

30th August 2007, 23:35

Rumours that there is a Norwegian driver currently driving a Subaru heading for Subarus B team next year pretty sure it's Mads Østberg, but Anders Grøndal has brought in Jonas Anderson (PG co driver)for the next event in Norway who knows?

Josti

31st August 2007, 09:37

2008 looks pretty good for WRC I think. Okay, not so many different manufacterers, but new M2 Teams of Citroën and Subaru, couple of Ford's probably, and perhaps Kronos. Only questionmark is Suzuki I guess. And of course, let's just hope Marcus will stay.

J.Lindstroem

31st August 2007, 11:29

Is it possible that both PH Sport and Kronos will enter Citroen cars for a full sason next year?

Tomi

31st August 2007, 11:31

Buzz Lightyear

31st August 2007, 12:15

It has to be Suzuki... Poor Toni, he is going to miss factory seat once again, if Suzuki withdraws.

No disrespect to Toni, he is a nice guy, but surely he has his chance? Lead driver for Ford for full season, and didnt win a rally. He might be a good No.2, but there are 5 younger driver worth investing in before Toni.

Tomi

31st August 2007, 12:19

but there are 5 younger driver worth investing in before Toni.

who 5 do you have in your mind?

COD

31st August 2007, 12:24

can be petter too :)

:laugh: The way he is performing right now, that could well be it.

Subaru A: Atkinson and Pons

Subaru B: Solberg and ????

Buzz Lightyear

31st August 2007, 12:31

who 5 do you have in your mind?

Well if you gave them then same amount of time and chances, for example, as Atkinson has had with Subaru.. then Andersson, Avva, Meeke, Wilks, Latvala... all these guys have genuine proper 'killer instinct' pace, a phrase you wouldnt assoicate with Toni. Four of the guys above regularly outpaced Sordo in JWRC, so that gives you a good reference. Latvala is the other, and we all know what he can do.

Manfacturers should be promoting young talent.. not using them as a cash machine.

Still does change the fact the Toni has had more chances than most, and didn't reeeeaaaally capitalise on them. Honestly.. where is he going in a Citreon B team, other than making money for Citreon and PH Sport.

Tomi

31st August 2007, 12:36

Well if you gave them then same amount of time and chances, for example, as Atkinson has had with Subaru.. then Andersson, Avva, Meeke, Wilks, Latvala... all these guys have genuine proper 'killer instinct' pace, a phrase you wouldnt assoicate with Toni. Four of the guys above regularly outpaced Sordo in JWRC, so that gives you a good reference. Latvala is the other, and we all know what he can do.

Manfacturers should be promoting young talent.. not using them as a cash machine.

Still does change the fact the Toni has had more chances than most, and didn't reeeeaaaally capitalise on them. Honestly.. where is he going in a Citreon B team, other than making money for Citreon and PH Sport.

Well Latvalas and Aavas things seems to be now ok, lets hope that the others guy's sponsors have same strong belive in them like you have.
Anyway Garde will drive full program next year.

MikeD

31st August 2007, 12:37

Is it possible that both PH Sport and Kronos will enter Citroen cars for a full sason next year?

Possible yes - realistic, no!

When you think of how many budget problems Kronos has had this year, it will be very difficult to think of 4 drivers with that kind of budget for next year.

My personal guess is that Kronos will not have a Citroen B-team next year, but that Astra Racing will.

But I also think that Subaru has a very realistic chance of a B-Team.

Buzz Lightyear

31st August 2007, 12:47

Well Latvalas and Aavas things seems to be now ok, lets hope that the others guy's sponsors have same strong belive in them like you have.
Anyway Garde will drive full program next year.

Again.. belief is one thing, deep pockets is another. Sponsorship has a high degree of national loyality. The same Finnish sponsor backing Toni for a full years program, you must agree, would be safer supporting Andersson if he wants long terms results... but its not going to happen..

That is my point... just becuase they have the backing, doesnt make them the better prospect, or driver.

Tomi

31st August 2007, 12:56

Again.. belief is one thing, deep pockets is another. Sponsorship has a high degree of national loyality. The same Finnish sponsor backing Toni for a full years program, you must agree, would be safer supporting Andersson if he wants long terms results... but its not going to happen..

That is my point... just becuase they have the backing, doesnt make them the better prospect, or driver.

Well it depends on the team, no way I think it would be safer to sign Andersson for instance to Suzuki, what they need now is a driver who has big experience of WRC cars and can do developing work, those guys you mentioned has no WRC experience or only a few WRC starts.
What I have heard Toni will not need backing next year.

Buzz Lightyear

31st August 2007, 13:13

Well it depends on the team, no way I think it would be safer to sign Andersson for instance to Suzuki, what they need now is a driver who has big experience of WRC cars and can do developing work, those guys you mentioned has no WRC experience or only a few WRC starts.
What I have heard Toni will not need backing next year.

You mentioned on word above... safer. Toni is a 'safe' choice.

Tomi

31st August 2007, 13:20

You mentioned on word above... safer. Toni is a 'safe' choice.

Yes, and the only one of those guys who for sure can do the job required, the rest i dont think can, because they have no experience about WRC cars.
It's good to remember also the teamboss has a boss to who show results.

Schurke

31st August 2007, 13:50

What have you heard Tomi ?????

Tomi

31st August 2007, 13:52

What have you heard Tomi ?????

that gardemeister should have a full drive with pay next season, nothing more.

Tom206wrc

6th September 2007, 13:44

Brice Tirabassi will run the french WRC event(Corsica) in the 207 S2000 from BSA :bounce:

I hope there will be more S2000s in GrN class on this event :confused:

MikeD

6th September 2007, 13:55

Brice Tirabassi will run the french WRC event(Corsica) in the 207 S2000 from BSA :bounce:

I hope there will be more S2000s in GrN class on this event :confused:

Does BSA still have a whale? If they do I hope they will enter it at Tour de Corse. We have only seen 3 whales (2 in Monaco and 1 in Norway) this year, and I love that car.

johnny utah

6th September 2007, 14:23

my understanding is that suzuki WILL complete full WRC in 2008.
1st car will have a driver being paid.
2nd car is a paid for drive.
the money from the 2nd car, pays the wage for the 1st car.
rumor is they have a good prospect , with rightamount of cash for the second car...... waiting to see who goes where, when the silly season kicks off with marcus"s dicission, as to who they get for 1stcar.

a good mid level source.

Priorat

6th September 2007, 14:43

Does BSA still have a whale? If they do I hope they will enter it at Tour de Corse. We have only seen 3 whales (2 in Monaco and 1 in Norway) this year, and I love that car.

There will be one in Catalunya also with Jordi Zurita

MikeD

6th September 2007, 15:02

There will be one in Catalunya also with Jordi Zurita

Excellent news. From what i can see Baporo Motorsport wil run the car for him.

Tom206wrc

6th September 2007, 16:28

Does BSA still have a whale? If they do I hope they will enter it at Tour de Corse. We have only seen 3 whales (2 in Monaco and 1 in Norway) this year, and I love that car.

They still have two whales that compete in french tarmac championship(between hands of David Salanon who leads the championship and the other one shared between several drivers) ;)

Mickey T

6th September 2007, 20:34

Much, much bigger news tomorrow.

stand by...

Buzz Lightyear

6th September 2007, 21:18

Much, much bigger news tomorrow.

stand by...

Im guessing.. Atkinson?

Tom206wrc

6th September 2007, 21:45

Much, much bigger news tomorrow.

stand by...

I'm already impatient :D

Buzz Lightyear

6th September 2007, 21:50

Much, much bigger news tomorrow.

stand by...

I just trying to piece it together. Micky seems to know the score with Subaru, and the Frankfurt Motorsport is next week, and whoever needs to be there should have been told by now. Solberg is revealing the new 2008 Subaru and Suzuki are launching it drivers and program.

Or maybe a decision by Marcus...

or maybe..

im off to bed.

jbmarcus21

6th September 2007, 22:26

Much, much bigger news tomorrow.

stand by...

Marcus decision not ?

duff

7th September 2007, 01:11

Any hints?
C'mon...

cannyboy

7th September 2007, 05:16

citroen and ford coming to cork 20 rally in ireland, last round of the irish championship - loeb and grondholm possibly!
so basically 2 irish rounds of the wrc!

curry

7th September 2007, 09:20

I really don't know if it is the right idea for Chris to be going to Suzuki, i'd be very surprised if they are quicker than the Subaru at the moment. I really hope it is not a backward step.

rus

7th September 2007, 10:31

Much, much bigger news tomorrow.

stand by...

Tomorrow is today Mickey T, what's the big announcement... :?: :facelick:

bennizw

7th September 2007, 10:34

Who said Atkinson is going to Suzuki? At what it the big news today, somebody please tell?

Buzz Lightyear

7th September 2007, 10:35

I really don't know if it is the right idea for Chris to be going to Suzuki, i'd be very surprised if they are quicker than the Subaru at the moment. I really hope it is not a backward step.
Suzuki were chasing him hard, and deal could have been done when the subaru was realy not performing 2-3 months ago...

ttiirika

7th September 2007, 10:47

Suzuki drivers for 2007:

Tour de Corse: Nicolas Bernardi - Jean-Marc Fortin (FRA)
Wales: Sebastian Lindholm - Tomi Tuominen (FIN)

Source: www.mtv3.fi/ralli (http://www.mtv3.fi/ralli) (MTV3 is Finnish broadcasting company showing WRC events hosted by Tomi Tuominen, new co-driver of Toni Gardemeister and co-driver of Sebastian Lindholm in Wales 2007)

Roy

7th September 2007, 10:48

Suzuki will announce its driver line-up for the two scheduled rallies this year, Corsica and Wales Rally GB, on Tuesday, September 11th at the Frankfurt Motor Show. Maybe they do for 2008 too.

Few days and we know more about Suzuki.

After rally catalunya, we know more about the future of Gronholm (by Suzuki???)

MikeD

7th September 2007, 10:59

ttiirika

7th September 2007, 11:00

After rally catalunya, we know more about the future of Gronholm (by Suzuki???)

According to Grönholm's own corner at www.mtv3.fi/ralli (http://www.mtv3.fi/ralli) , he must make decision about the future before rally Catalunya. For those who are able to understand Finnish: http://www.mtv3.fi/bossensilmin/

And as said before, Bernardi and Lindholm are Suzuki drivers for Corsica and Wales 2007.

Woodeye

7th September 2007, 11:01

Basti and Suzuki! :up:

That was something totally unexpected. Nice to see Basti back in action, but I wonder how competitive he's going to be.

How long has he been testing for Suzuki?

Buzz Lightyear

7th September 2007, 11:19

official :

Subaru extend Atkinson's contract

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/62095

my theory is in bits. but it good mental exercise thinking of all the possibilities!

Josti

7th September 2007, 11:28

Unexpected indeed, especially about Lindholm. Though, good choises I think. It seems Suzuki has no plans for a withdrew. Can't wait till the official drivers announcement. No Atko, makes it even harder to guess...

jbmarcus21

7th September 2007, 11:38

Donney

7th September 2007, 13:03

Atkinson has shown an impressive form lately so it makes sense Subaru wants to keep him.

wrc_flipper

7th September 2007, 13:32

from http://www.suzuki-wrc.com/report/070907/e/index.html

Suzuki Motor Corporation has named its drivers and co-drivers for the SX4 WRC 2007.
In the Rallye de France (12 to 14 October), French tarmac specialist Nicolas Bernardi (30) will be in the driver’s seat with Belgian co-driver Jean-Marc Fortin (39) beside him. And for the Wales Rally GB (30 November to 2 December), Suzuki has selected Finnish gravel expert Sebastian Lindholm (46) as driver and fellow Finn Tomi Tuominen (35) as co-driver.
Bernardi and Lindholm are experienced WRC pilots, so Suzuki is confident that they will deliver the desired results by the end of the year, enabling the team to fine-tune the car’s setup for 2008.
Also, Suzuki is pleased to announce that Shell International Petroleum Company Limited will be supporting the Suzuki WRC challenge in addition to its existing support for the Suzuki JRC works teams.

Northern Monkey

7th September 2007, 13:48

Seems a bit daft to say they planned to announce it next week and then take away the story early by announcing it today.

MJW

7th September 2007, 13:52

Seems a bit daft to say they planned to announce it next week and then take away the story early by announcing it today.

I think next tuesday's annaouncement refers to the 2008 drivers.

ttiirika

7th September 2007, 14:07

According Autosport Suzuki's participation in Corsica is not that sure:

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/62094

koko0703

7th September 2007, 14:17

Zes

7th September 2007, 14:29

Bernardi & Lindholm??? They were totally unexpected!!! Well I guess, after Germany, Duval's price tag must've gone up, and now Atkinson is out of market.... I still wonder why nobody wants Garde. I must say Garde is better than Lindholm at this point.

Well, Lindholm is NOT going to drive 2008 season. Just one rally. He is very experienced test driver and that's what Suzuki needs now. Garde is probably not so good in testing, but his manager has let us understand, he is going to drive full season in 2008. There are now two alternatives for Toni, Suzuki or Astra-Citroen. Interesting to see, which one is it.

Josti

7th September 2007, 14:29

Bernardi & Lindholm??? They were totally unexpected!!! Well I guess, after Germany, Duval's price tag must've gone up, and now Atkinson is out of market.... I still wonder why nobody wants Garde. I must say Garde is better than Lindholm at this point.

Well, for testing Lindholm is quite allright. There's certaintly an obvious reason from Suzuki, for choosing him for this rally. This has still nothing to do with next years drivers line-up. With Tuominen as his codriver, it could be a little sign for a Garde/Suzuki combination next year. Still, cookie talk of course.

Lalo

7th September 2007, 16:26

Confirmation at WRC.com of Suzuki's decision :D

http://www.wrc.com/page/News/BreakingNewsDetail/0,,10111~1108168,00.html

wrc_flipper

7th September 2007, 16:37

Confirmation at WRC.com of Suzuki's decision :D

http://www.wrc.com/page/News/BreakingNewsDetail/0,,10111~1108168,00.html

Probably got the lead from here!

MikeD

8th September 2007, 13:42

Alessandro Bettega vil enter Tour de Corse in an M-Sport prepared Focus 06.

So he will be the third privateer this year in the new Focus (after Gareth MacHale and Peter van Merksteijn)

Does anybody know when Ramsport will get their new Focus'es?

Mirek

8th September 2007, 14:19

Bettega will drive 02 Focus on Korsika, I think...

Jaanus

8th September 2007, 15:46

Bettega will run the 06 Focus in Corsica and he will rent the car from M-Sport so he will not buy it like MacHale and Merksteijn.

Mirek

8th September 2007, 16:01

My appologize, some bad day :)

Josti

8th September 2007, 16:09

]Bettega will drive 02 Focus on Korsika, I think...

I think this was for a national Rally, but I'm not sure. Thought he would also enter the 02 at Corsica, but apparently not.

Karbonyl

8th September 2007, 16:23

Bettega will not rent the car, he gets the start with WRC as a compensation from M-Sport for cancelled programme with manufacture Fiesta S1600.

And he will start with Errepi Racing Focus WRC 02 at Rally Valle Varaita in Italy next week to have a first touch with turbocharged WRC on tarmac.

Jaanus

9th September 2007, 15:23

Toni Gardemeister will drive in Corsica with the Astra Racing Xsara WRC.
It will be his first WRC event with his new co-driver Tomi Tuominen.

http://www.tonigardemeister.com/uutiset071014.php

White Sauron

9th September 2007, 16:57

Toni Gardemeister will drive in Corsica with the Astra Racing Xsara WRC.
It will be his first WRC event with his new co-driver Tomi Tuominen.

http://www.tonigardemeister.com/uutiset071014.php

In russian on http://rallyzone.ru/.contents/1102847351909996/1189348256169917/0/ru/

koko0703

10th September 2007, 13:09

Toni Gardemeister will drive in Corsica with the Astra Racing Xsara WRC.
It will be his first WRC event with his new co-driver Tomi Tuominen.

http://www.tonigardemeister.com/uutiset071014.php

Did Garde signed this deal before Suzuki could contact him??? I still would've loved to see Garde at the wheel of new Suzuki although Xsara will probably give him better result in Corsica.

Karbonyl

10th September 2007, 16:20

Toni's new codriver Toni Tuominen will sit in SX4 WRC already in this season - he will compete at Rally of Wales in car driven by Sebastian Lindholm.

MikeD

10th September 2007, 16:37

Does anybody here know when the entries close for Tour de Corse? - and when we will be able to see the entry list?

sal

10th September 2007, 16:56

I cant believe that the FIA think that by making each "works" team enter 5 cars from 2009 onwarss that it's going to make the WRC more exciting... sounds like the DTM to me. What is needed is more manufacturers

jbmarcus21

10th September 2007, 17:39

Does anybody here know when the entries close for Tour de Corse? - and when we will be able to see the entry list?

in official website, http://www.rallyedefrance.com/2007/programme.php

The 14th september...

COD

10th September 2007, 20:49

sal

10th September 2007, 22:00

Article was in last weeks Motoring News I'll try and find the online version and post it here.

Isthmus

11th September 2007, 01:36

There are some rumours saying that Citroën´s thinking to quit WRC in 2009. Citroën has a new General Director, Gilles Michel.

http://www.marca.com/edicion/marca/motor/rallies/es/desarrollo/1033609.html

Jaanus

11th September 2007, 10:30

http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070910/FREE/70910024&SearchID=73293015631938

Solberg, Martin Could Replace Gronholm

With Ford’s World Rally Championship star Marcus Gronholm considering retirement at the end of the year, the WRC rumor mill has Markko Martin (currently not competing) and Petter Solberg (Subaru) at the top of the list for a return to the Blue Oval. Solberg went on the record in his native Norway, stating he would consider making the switch.

spyros

11th September 2007, 12:52

what time is the suzuki anouncement about their 2008 drivers?

Brother John

11th September 2007, 12:56

what time is the suzuki anouncement about their 2008 drivers?

Maybe in November! :s mokin:

consti

11th September 2007, 13:05

isn`t it at the frankfurt auto show in few days time?
i think so and i`m (read I, so it`s my guess) fairly sure that gardemeister will sit in one car, or why do you think that he is going to codrive that car this year?

cheers

bennizw

11th September 2007, 13:58

They were supposed to reveal the drivers today, but I can't remember if it was supposed to be those for 2007, or 2008. I mean, they've already made it official on their own website with Bernadi and Lindholm.

spyros

11th September 2007, 14:00

Roy

11th September 2007, 14:08

Toni isn't codrive in Wales... :\ His new codriver is codrive Lindholm.
We can expect this day/week the 2008 line up.

Roy

11th September 2007, 15:22

No news today from Suzuki.

Only: Suzuki is also gearing up for the new WRC regulations that will be effective in 2012.

http://www.suzuki-wrc.com/report/070911/e/index.html

jbmarcus21

11th September 2007, 18:06

Finnish man can help us plz ???

What does it mean this article ??

http://www.iltalehti.fi/urheilu/200709116573729_ur.shtml

consti

11th September 2007, 18:50

sorry i did mean this, got some troubles with my head :)

jonkka

11th September 2007, 20:24

Finnish man can help us plz ???

What does it mean this article ??

http://www.iltalehti.fi/urheilu/200709116573729_ur.shtml

Gronholm's manager Hjallis Harkimo thinks that Marcus should quit while still in top form. Besides being Marcus' manager, Hjallis is former athlete himself (solo sailor) so his word has that much added weight. I disagree, though.

MJW

11th September 2007, 20:34

Marcus definately has the pace this year, his drives inFinland and NZ were absolutely fantasic. I hope he gets to be champion.......... because next year is one year older. A champion and sportsman who quits when on top is better than someone who once had teh speed but now is a "little" slower and is being beaten by the younger guys. Thats my opinion.

Simmi

11th September 2007, 20:44

jbmarcus21

11th September 2007, 21:00

Gronholm's manager Hjallis Harkimo thinks that Marcus should quit while still in top form. Besides being Marcus' manager, Hjallis is former athlete himself (solo sailor) so his word has that much added weight. I disagree, though.

thanks for the translate...

So i want to say, Marcus is strong this year, and next year he can win again lot of rallies... We will see.. Marcus will say soon his decision i hope ...

turves

11th September 2007, 22:33

[quote="jonkka"]Gronholm's manager Hjallis Harkimo thinks that Marcus should quit while still in top form. QUOTE]

Along these lines, Petter retired when he was at the top...he's retired from pretty much every rally ever since... :laugh:

WRCfan

12th September 2007, 06:24

Marcus has a new found lease of life! He is super quick now and can challenge Loeb much easier than before!

I think retiring while hes at the top is good, although whats not to say he wont win again next year? Your only as old as you think you are! All this talk of "it's time to bow out" well hes quicker now than ever, why stop now!?

jacko

12th September 2007, 17:49

About Marcus: i disagree totally about people saying that Marcus has to quit because as i've seen him driving so far with the Focus WRC it seems he is in the best form of his career... why could it not be the same next year? If he quits now we will never know. Maybe he could quit after rally Finland '08 when he's got no chance of the title??

jacko

12th September 2007, 17:51

i didn't read WRCfan post but i could say: agree :)

Neil J

12th September 2007, 21:28

Gronholm's manager Hjallis Harkimo thinks that Marcus should quit while still in top form. QUOTE]

Along these lines, Petter retired when he was at the top...he's retired from pretty much every rally ever since... :laugh:

Nice one Turves, made me properly laugh out loud :D

Tom206wrc

12th September 2007, 23:12

Ordinarily I think most of us would support Marcus retiring at the top of his game. Without doubt it's the best way to go out. The only problem is that without him the WRC could fall victim to complete domination by Loeb.

Not so sure... ;)

Citroën-Sport never worked with Pirelli and next year they will have to, so Loeb could have problems to adapt the set-up of the car and not being "so fast" he would like... :mark:

White Sauron

13th September 2007, 08:42

Not so sure... ;)

Citroën-Sport never worked with Pirelli and next year they will have to, so Loeb could have problems to adapt the set-up of the car and not being "so fast" he would like... :mark:

The same was told before the switch from active diffs to passive: "Loeb won't be so fast, it won't suit him, etc..". And what was the result? ;)

Brother John

13th September 2007, 10:41

Xsara Fan

13th September 2007, 11:36

The same was told before the switch from active diffs to passive: "Loeb won't be so fast, it won't suit him, etc..". And what was the result? ;)

:) ))) Great words, Igor!

Donney

13th September 2007, 12:41

Yep I think it is obvious Mr. Loeb can adapt to any circumstance.

Helstar

14th September 2007, 07:36

Surely, if Citroen won't be competitive with Pirelli, a black shadow will fall on their wins of all last years ... but 99% it isn't going to happen, and if Bosse retires I think Loeb could even win all 16 rallies next year ^^

A.F.F.

14th September 2007, 08:58

and if Bosse retires I think Loeb could even win all 16 rallies next year ^^

Except Sweden and NORF.

Josti

14th September 2007, 09:22

Except Sweden and NORF.

Let's forget his 2004 Sweden win then, and his 2nd places over the years. Sure, NORF will be harder, but I'm sure he can beat Hirvonen on that rally, let alone a new Ford driver. I'm afraid Helstar could be wright, he "could".

Ah well, Suzuki just needs to be competitive (and Subaru for that matter). Or Bosse just not to retire yet.

A.F.F.

14th September 2007, 09:44

Yes, let's. :)

Timole

14th September 2007, 09:52

Yes, let's. :)

Have to agree with you.

grugsticles

14th September 2007, 11:43

Just a thought reguarding Marcus' retirement...

Would this open the door for Petter to jump ship?

Woodeye

14th September 2007, 11:46

Just a thought reguarding Marcus' retirement...

Would this open the door for Petter to jump ship?

I hope that Marcus quitting will open door for J-M Latvala.

MikeD

14th September 2007, 11:48

According to an interview with Kris Meeke at Crash.net, there is a fair chance he will drive a Subaru WRC at Rally Ireland.

A.F.F.

14th September 2007, 12:04

I hope that Marcus quitting will open door for J-M Latvala.

Ever thought of Petter's and Latvala's switch ?

koko0703

14th September 2007, 15:03

Now Marcus decided to leave, how's Duval back to Ford??? Loeb vs Duval on tarmac should be pretty good fight!!!

COD

14th September 2007, 15:54

Ever thought of Petter's and Latvala's switch ?

That is a very strong possibility

wrc_flipper

14th September 2007, 19:37

Valentino Rossi has revealed that he is working on a deal to contest the season-ending Rally GB

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/62374

ste898

14th September 2007, 23:37

Duval would only be useful on tarmac......so no good to Ford as replacement to Marcus

atchoum

15th September 2007, 00:22

Duval would only be useful on tarmac......so no good to Ford as replacement to Marcus

Ooooh my God!! Have you only seen Duval on tarmac events or what? Did you discover that driver during last german rally? You seem not to know him pretty much, it's obvious... :eek:

grugsticles

15th September 2007, 09:25

Ooooh my God!! Have you only seen Duval on tarmac events or what? Did you discover that driver during last german rally? You seem not to know him pretty much, it's obvious... :eek:

Agreed. Duval is 'quicker' on tarmac than gravel (IMO) but remember that is one and only WRC victory is on gravel (Aus 2005).
Duval would be a good, if not great replacement for Marcus as long as he drives smartly.

Langdale Forest

15th September 2007, 09:50

Duval is good on gravel, he came 2nd in Mexico 2004 and he won Austrailia 2005 but he is better on tarmac.

Camelopard

15th September 2007, 13:16

Duval is good on gravel, he came 2nd in Mexico 2004 and he won Austrailia 2005 but he is better on tarmac.

But he can't follow team orders................

Josti

15th September 2007, 15:30

For some reason Duval has changed his attitude (in a positive way) and he doesn´t have the ego he had when joining Citroën in 2005. At that time, Wilson didn´t want to keep him for no reason at Ford. Of course, he needs some development on gravel, but I´m sure he can do top 5 results on it (if not even better). IMO, a good fit for a second driver. He knows WRC doesn't do favours anymore.

ARF

15th September 2007, 17:11

They also need someone to build the car and two youngsters (mikko and j-m or duval) ain't up to it yet. I'm more than sure taht the replacement will be someone from the old-school.
Petter is outruled by his relations with Wilson.

jacko

15th September 2007, 18:03

[quote="Josti"]For some reason Duval has changed his attitude (in a positive way) and he doesn´t have the ego he had when joining Citroën in 2005. At that time, Wilson didn´t want to keep him for no reason at Ford. QUOTE]

It was Duval who didn't want to sign a 4 year deal with Ford but with the statement that Ford could be say goodbye to Duval when he wasn't deliver. For 2005 Ford would stay with the 04 Focus and with that in mind Duval took the chance and fight against the new no1 Sebastian Loeb but a frenchmen, also the best driver nowadays, in a frenchteam you can forget to win it. A little optimistic from Duval, now 3 years later i relly hope Duval and Wilson could make a new good deal and Duval will deliver very fast good results :)

Daniel

15th September 2007, 18:28

Duval is good on gravel, he came 2nd in Mexico 2004 and he won Austrailia 2005 but he is better on tarmac.
He didn't win in Australia. He was just the fastest loser. With Petter, Marcus and Sebastien out someone was always going to get lucky.

A.F.F.

15th September 2007, 18:47

That is right. There shouldn't be too much weight on his win in Australia.

Daniel

15th September 2007, 19:22

That is right. There shouldn't be too much weight on his win in Australia.
Him having the best car could have had something to do with it to perhaps as well don't you think so AFF? :D

grugsticles

16th September 2007, 04:55

He didn't win in Australia. He was just the fastest loser. With Petter, Marcus and Sebastien out someone was always going to get lucky.

I dont really agree with that.
In my mind it doesnt matter how you win... winnings winning.
You HAVE to finish to win (remember that Dudu!)

Dingardo

16th September 2007, 07:15

He didn't win in Australia. He was just the fastest loser. With Petter, Marcus and Sebastien out someone was always going to get lucky.

You're forgetting Atkinson aswell.. if he didnt have that bent steering arm, I reckon he would of won.

Anyways I think it would be a wise move to put Duval back in the ford team. He has shown he is still quick and determined. During 2004 he really improved a lot, and sure the start of 2005 was aweful for him, he showed his maturity by the end of the season.
Out of the current available drivers, I would say he has a good chance of getting back in with Ford or getting a drive with Suzuki

Daniel

16th September 2007, 08:46

You're forgetting Atkinson aswell.. if he didnt have that bent steering arm, I reckon he would of won.

Anyways I think it would be a wise move to put Duval back in the ford team. He has shown he is still quick and determined. During 2004 he really improved a lot, and sure the start of 2005 was aweful for him, he showed his maturity by the end of the season.
Out of the current available drivers, I would say he has a good chance of getting back in with Ford or getting a drive with Suzuki
Sorry I did forget Atkinson who was setting some good times throughout the event ;)

Daniel

16th September 2007, 08:47

I dont really agree with that.
In my mind it doesnt matter how you win... winnings winning.
You HAVE to finish to win (remember that Dudu!)
Good for you :D Duval never made a habit of finishing in 2005 so lets chalk it down to luck :D

Roy

19th September 2007, 15:54

Clarks in works Ford at The Rally Show at Chatsworth in the end of September.
http://www.crash.net/news_view~cid~4~id~154641.htm

jbmarcus21

26th September 2007, 22:41

a strange rumour running in french forum in this moment, Citroen will can retire at the end of 2007, and loeb come to Ford Team .. ??!!

MJW

26th September 2007, 23:08

a strange rumour running in french forum in this moment, Citroen will can retire at the end of 2007, and loeb come to Ford Team .. ??!!
I have heared too that the new big boss of Citroen (Chief Executive or something) is a cost cutter and wants to "cut back" -but I heared end of 2008 or 2009. I think this will force WRC into an S2000 route as Peugeot can be represented, and also the rumours say Ford will have an S2000 Fiesta in 2009, so I guess make the most of WRC cars whilst we still have them. When you count Peugeot, Ford, Skoda, Fiat, Toyota (or Subaru as Toyota are part owners of Subaru) thats a lot more companies with S2000's than WRC cars.