Wales rally gb 2015

[marcosg]

epic moments on rally radio at the end of ss15... :D

[dimviii]

Prokops damaged radiatior

http://www.ewrc-results.com/quickp/19132_prokop.jpg

[Eli]

SAT 20:00 - VW landmark
So it's another Ogier stage win and that's the half century for VW. With 500 fastest times from 713 stages that's an incredible hit rate of 70 per cent!

[SubaruNorway]

Pretty clever of Ogier to stop there, actually. He would have lost a few seconds going by normally and instead gets 31 back.

He stopped because Gilsoul said the car was blocking the road, even if it wasn't really, Gilsoul couldn't see from his spot that it wasn't. He lost more than 31 by my calculations, so he lost about the same time as the ones that slowed if not more.

[MartijnS]

What?! no road section pics...?

Oh yes. The pro's were at the road sections today.

https://scontent-ams3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/12250110_901932953189807_4992679421802820923_n.jpg ?oh=b8ab49a90c0e57e964c3c9ed8816b893&oe=56AC5439

https://scontent-ams3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtp1/v/t1.0-9/12208607_772094082916488_7463208691641919869_n.jpg ?oh=1a5f48d0d629d5dc4e1ab15c8f2167b1&oe=56B2525E

[car]

Abbring

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CTuSVNHWEAArrm1.jpg:large

That's a nice spot.

[dimviii]

better video from Neuvilles crash
https://youtu.be/Xj3jzjsU7xo

and another different video from away
https://youtu.be/1ojvLRB8xao

[Munkvy]

Breen has recovered well, although like usual having car problems!

David Higgins is also doing well given he is in a Group N car and comfortably beating a number of R5s.

[306 Cosworth]

Decided to come home early as the weather was so damn awful. Haven't ever stood out in solid rain like we had in Gartheiniog today.

Here's a few clips from SD and Day 1 & 2


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9EgLA7Sh14

[stefanvv]

better video from Neuvilles crash
https://youtu.be/Xj3jzjsU7xo

and another different video from away
https://youtu.be/1ojvLRB8xao

the corner seems not that hard

[Mirek]

How do You define hard?

[dimviii]

and another angle from Neuvilles crash,and Ostberg moment with his damaged door
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7i50AGC7SOU&feature=youtu.be

[EstWRC]

Decided to come home early as the weather was so damn awful. Haven't ever stood out in solid rain like we had in Gartheiniog today.

Here's a few clips from SD and Day 1 & 2


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9EgLA7Sh14

Tänak definitely loves sideways driving :D

[Mirek]

Sat 16:04 - Service: Paddon
The Kiwi explains more about his crash with Prokop. "We took a wrong turn after SS12 and went maybe 300 metres before we turned around. On the way back we collided with Martin who had made the same mistake. These things happen. We're lucky that for us it's just cosmetic damage. Unfortunately for Martin, he had to park up. We'll make the repairs now and hope for a better run. I love the dark and I'm looking forward to it."

It's good that neither Paddon nor Prokop blame each other for the accident. Both describe it as an unfortunate incident.

[306 Cosworth]

Tänak definitely loves sideways driving :D
Yes he does. I wish more people drove like him!

[stefanvv]

How do You define hard?

not that sharp and there is right hander immediately after it, co-driver surely must have said that. he was just too late in braking and seem to have tried some correction which didn't work.

[danon]

better video from Neuvilles crash
https://youtu.be/Xj3jzjsU7xo

and another different video from away
https://youtu.be/1ojvLRB8xao

The logs took its toll.

http://s5.postimg.org/j3xjg4gcn/image.jpg

[AL14]

epic moments on rally radio at the end of ss15... :D

What was happening? :)

[SubaruNorway]

the corner seems not that hard

Since there has been logging in the area and big trucks and forest machines have gone there the mud has been pushed up so it's like ice.

[Gregor-y]

He stopped because Gilsoul said the car was blocking the road, even if it wasn't really, Gilsoul couldn't see from his spot that it wasn't. He lost more than 31 by my calculations, so he lost about the same time as the ones that slowed if not more.

So if Gilsoul couldn't see why stop so far away without going to verify, let alone provide assistance if needed? Or was there a marshal up there holding them? As for the time stopped, to me it looked like less than 31 seconds plus how many did VW ask for before they got 31?

[danon]

A block by a log.
I did a slow mo gif to clarify that If the log wasn't there nothing would have happened.
No log - no pendulum - no lock.

http://i.giphy.com/3oEduJXXz2HWCWSSB2.gif

[MrJan]

A block by a log.
I did a slow mo gif to clarify that If the log wasn't there nothing would have happened.
No log - no pendulum - no lock.

And your point is? The same applies for every accident, "if it weren't for the rock", "if the surface wasn't so slippery", "if the tree wasn't so close".

[danon]

And your point is? The same applies for every accident, "if it weren't for the rock", "if the surface wasn't so slippery", "if the tree wasn't so close".

It makes no sence only one log to stick out HALF! its size off the pile at the end of the very first row.
I know very well how logs are lining along the road.
I see them every day but I've never seen a single log sticking out off a pile HALF! its size. Never!

It's like a pitfall.

The more I watch it the more I suspect that this ONE log could be pulled OUT by someone on purpose.

Recall - Ogier SS1...

[Rally Power]

And your point is? The same applies for every accident, "if it weren't for the rock", "if the surface wasn't so slippery", "if the tree wasn't so close".

So, spectators in the middle of the road at SS1 were probably foreigners and a bad placed log is a natural part of the scenery...come on!

For safety reasons, I've seen on other WRC events people obliged to move their cars parked further from the road than that forgotten log, and SS delayed or canceled because of spectators behavior. It seems that in GB Rally security standards are much more permissible...

Probably, "if" it was Meeke instead of Neuville all british rally fans were now asking why on earth wasn't that log removed.

Well, let's just hope for an incident free final day and a miraculous opportunity for Meeke to beat Ogier...Go Kris!

PS: nice pace from Toy pupils in WRC2.

[Rally Power]

PPS: special respects to all French forum members.

[RS]

Why is anyone so bothered about second in the manufacturers championship? There is no prize money and they can hardly promote 'we came second'

[Mk2 RS2000]

Why is anyone so bothered about second in the manufacturers championship? There is no prize money and they can hardly promote 'we came second'


Second goes to the highest placed looser. Never forget it

[bowler]

So if Gilsoul couldn't see why stop so far away without going to verify, let alone provide assistance if needed? Or was there a marshal up there holding them? As for the time stopped, to me it looked like less than 31 seconds plus how many did VW ask for before they got 31?

VW wouldn't have asked for any amount. They would ask for a stewards review. The stewards would check the incar video, and would be able to tell exactly how much had been lost.

[janvanvurpa]

Second goes to the highest placed looser. Never forget it

I'll never forget that that brilliant cliché, is usually said by people that have never entered any half serious competition and have never come any place, much less 2nd.

Does this fit for you, too?

[Mintexmemory]

[QUOTE=306 Cosworth;1071550]Decided to come home early as the weather was so damn awful. Haven't ever stood out in solid rain like we had in Gartheiniog today.]

Yes you have! Moulinet 2014 - and for longer!!
That's why we continue turning up - we easily forget the bad days or turn them into stories of epoc endurance :-)
Great stuff as usual Luke.

[Mk2 RS2000]

I'll never forget that that brilliant cliché, is usually said by people that have never entered any half serious competition and have never come any place, much less 2nd.

Does this fit for you, too?



Shag, I do happen to have a couple of national titles to my name and have competed Internationally as a driver, as engineer and as a team manager. Then there is the motor racing side to my activities. And yes, I have even organised an event or two.

Your move.

[HarriK]

Final day starting:

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[Simmi]

Did the first three days and I have to admit that I also bailed out yesterday afternoon and came home. Managed four WRC events this season so it's been a good year.

Just reading no spectators allowed into Great Orme due to storm force winds.

[GigiGalliNo1]

WalesRallyGB: NEWS: Due to storm force winds @WalesRallyGB and Conwy County BC have closed SS18 Great Orme to spectators on safety grounds. 1/2

[HarriK]

Tanak in problems?

[MartijnS]

He is off

[EstWRC]

not so sure about that, he seems to have gone straight where junction is and just parked up.

[EstWRC]

rear left damage for Tänak, goodbye WRC to him i think.

[Simmi]

Rear left damage according to M-Sport. A bit too wide somewhere maybe. Not great for Tanak.

[dimviii]

Gorban

http://www.ewrc-results.com/quickp/19132_gorban_wales2015.jpg

[Mirek]

Why is anyone so bothered about second in the manufacturers championship? There is no prize money and they can hardly promote 'we came second'

It's about not being seen as worse than the other...

[jonkka]

It's about not being seen as worse than the other...

For any sensible person, in that respect the points difference is more important than the actual positions. Citroen and Hyundai are so close together points-wise that it's immaterial which is second and which is third.

[dodge33cymru]

Also, if you promote it as a 'battle' then you can 'win', so it's not about being second, it's about being the best (*cough* non-VW)......

Suspect it is also easier to justify extending the programme to the board if you're just one place behind the winners.

[jonkka]

Suspect it is also easier to justify extending the programme to the board if you're just one place behind the winners.

Even if difference to winner can be measured in light years? Hard to believe that people do get to be in board if they are dim enough to buy such arguments...

[mohit]

did anyone listen to petter solberg on rally radio today ? what did he say about 2016?

[car]

He said he wanted to do Sweden 2016. Also said he still loves rallying more than any other Motorsport. Becs asked him if he would be interested in Toyota drive and he said he would certainly discuss it. Hasn't lost his passion, that's for sure.

[SubaruNorway]

did anyone listen to petter solberg on rally radio today ? what did he say about 2016?

Podcast at the bottom here.
http://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/media/podcasts/page/114--80--.html

[AL14]

What a pity for Tanak. But he should have not made this mistake. After all he start now to have a bunch of experience with the car. It's still a pity tough, I like his commitment but I would understand Wilson if he decide to replace him.

[AL14]

And about the battle of second... This is a competition, and in a competition you want to rank as high as you can. I don't understand why they should not bother, or why they should bother less...

[mohit]

thanks guys cheers !

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Gutted for Tanak to go out like that on the final day with no chance to Rally2... couldn't really be worse for him when his WRC career was on the line... :(

[Mirek]

For any sensible person, in that respect the points difference is more important than the actual positions. Citroen and Hyundai are so close together points-wise that it's immaterial which is second and which is third.

Not really. That applies only for a small percentage of true rally geeks. For others it's not like that (especially for the company management).

[rallyfiend]

It's about not being seen as worse than the other...

And I imagine there's all sorts of bonus payments for team members based on performance in the Manufacturer's Championship - just as there would be for rally wins and driver's championships....

[Sulland]

Results from the national class
http://www.walesrallygb.com/competitors/national/results_2015.php

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Live Gt Orme coverage on the stream: http://www.wrc.com/live-ticker/live_popup_stream.html :)

[Mirek]

And I imagine there's all sorts of bonus payments for team members based on performance in the Manufacturer's Championship - just as there would be for rally wins and driver's championships....

The main thing is huge rivalry between Hyundai and basically any other European carmaker. Hyundai has very aggressive marketing politics (especially here in CZ it's kind of silly with open attacks against other brands, especially Škoda) and the others (especially German brands) have been labeling the Koreans as some sort of underdogs for ages.

[Wim_Impreza]

Gutted for Tanak to go out like that on the final day with no chance to Rally2... couldn't really be worse for him when his WRC career was on the line... :(

The last day of a WRC rally in the last couple of years is so short, that almost everyone can still finish a rally with Rally2...

Sometimes people say that in the past it was better, but about the WRC it is the truth.

[SubaruNorway]

Did Camillli breake something at the start there? Going slow

[Fast Eddie WRC]

The last day of a WRC rally in the last couple of years is so short, that almost everyone can still finish a rally with Rally2...

Sometimes people say that in the past it was better, but about the WRC it is the truth.

Yes I'm not defending Rally2, just saying that Tanak cant show his ability any more as its the final day here...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

‏@ElfynEvans 53s54 seconds ago
SS18: "We just have to make sure that we finish now, it's too risky to try and do anything other than that.

[Wim_Impreza]

Yes I'm not defending Rally2, just saying that Tanak cant show his ability any more as its the final day here...

That is true. I hope Tänak can stay with M-Sport next year.

[EstWRC]

Some people in estonian forum say not to worry about Tänak, he will be in WRC next year but there will be a surprise. We will see in a month or so.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Reporter Colin Clark implied yesterday that one M-Sport driver would be staying, one leaving...

[Rallyper]

Reporter Colin Clark implied yesterday that one M-Sport driver would be staying, one leaving...

And oc they let the slowest stay.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Regroup in Llandudno

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CT2Qqk7W4AAS-82.jpg:large

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Proper rallying in the past (Great Orme 1977) :cool:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CT2SVdWWcAAtsPw.jpg:large

[Frostmourne]

Any links for the power stage?

[RICARDO75]

Any links for the power stage?

http://www.zoptv.com/live/bt-sport-1

[MartijnS]

Terrible weather haha!

[RS]

Is this stage also local production?

[Rallyper]

Paddon has done a good job this year. Best progress, I think.

[GigiGalliNo1]

Is this stage also local production?

No it's not... its WRC Team but its pi$$ing down with rain and extremely WINDY and no helicopter...

[GigiGalliNo1]

Proper rallying in the past (Great Orme 1977) :cool:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CT2SVdWWcAAtsPw.jpg:large


Proper rallying because on 3 wheels? Because no rain or mud on this tarmac stage?

[RS]

Meeke driver of the rally i think. I hope and expect him to be in WRC next year.

[thuGG]

Meeke driver of the rally i think. I hope and expect him to be in WRC next year.

I agree, very good rally for him!

[RS]

Looks like a problem for Camilli so Suninen wins WRC2 in old Fabia S2000!

[MrJan]

Meeke driver of the rally i think. I hope and expect him to be in WRC next year.

Got the impression from his post stage interview that Yves Matton may not agree with you. For me this season has shown how much of a shame it is that Kris had to wait so long for a proper drive, if he'd had a shot when he was younger then I think he really could have been a genuine challenger. He still has the pace as much as anyone else available to Citroen IMO but they don't have much patience with drivers that trash cars.

[RS]

Got the impression from his post stage interview that Yves Matton may not agree with you.

Maybe. He finished the season on almost the same points as Ostberg but is faster almost everywhere. 19-0 on the stages here.

[AndyRAC]

Got the impression from his post stage interview that Yves Matton may not agree with you. For me this season has shown how much of a shame it is that Kris had to wait so long for a proper drive, if he'd had a shot when he was younger then I think he really could have been a genuine challenger. He still has the pace as much as anyone else available to Citroen IMO but they don't have much patience with drivers that trash cars.

Have to agree. He needed to be in a WRCar before he got the IRC drive; sadly there weren't any seats at the time. He could have bought a seat, but coming from Britain, there was no way of raising sponsorship - and that is still the case. This weekend has been a perfect example; virtually zero mainstream coverage that sponsors want.

[er88]

If Matton is stupid enough to ditch Meeke, Malcolm Wilson will surely give Meeke a drive at Msport. MW said earlier in the year he's getting "disheartened" turning up at rallies knowing his drivers cant even compete for wins. And Meeke is only driver that has the pace to challenge the VWs on certain events. IMO if Meeke was in the VW he would be Ogiers biggest challenger throughout the year for wins.

Both Msport drivers dont deserve to stay on, but then again nobody else has shown they deserve to take Tanaks or Evans' place. Maybe MW will have to take a big gamble on a young gun...

Does anyone think Citroen or Ford might take a punt on Abbring, even if just for selected rounds?

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[RS]

If Matton is stupid enough to ditch Meeke, Malcolm Wilson will surely give Meeke a drive at Msport. MW said earlier in the year he's getting "disheartened" turning up at rallies knowing his drivers cant even compete for wins. And Meeke is only driver that has the pace to challenge the VWs on certain events. IMO if Meeke was in the VW he would be Ogiers biggest challenger throughout the year for wins.

Both Msport drivers dont deserve to stay on, but then again nobody else has shown they deserve to take Tanaks or Evans' place. Maybe MW will have to take a big gamble on a young gun...

Does anyone think Citroen or Ford might take a punt on Abbring, even if just for selected rounds?

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I think Meeke and Ostberg will still both be in WRC but I would rather see Meeke stay at Citroen and Ostberg move to Ford.

[AL14]

Yes right.

If Matton say bye bye to Meeke, Wilson is ready for a welcome. I really don't know with which driver Citroen wants to replace him to be honest. So we will have to wait...
Fiesta would not help Meeke to improve his performances but at least he will remain in the circus as he deserves.
I fear Tanak will lose his place. Afterall Evans took two podiums and improved the amount of points of last year. Also if you have Meeke you need some consistent driver to complete the team and Tanak is not one of them.

[RS]

Also if you have Meeke you need some consistent driver to complete the team and Tanak is not one of them.

Loeb? Or more seriously, Sordo?

[MrJan]

Evans is quick and seems capable of regularly finishing events, the problem for Ford isn't down to the drivers but that the car simply isn't anywhere near as good as the factory entries. M-Sport just don't have the budget to test a car as thoroughly as both Citroen and VW do....even Hyundai spent a good amount of time developing theirs.

For me Tanak is probably the driver, from all teams, who should be most at risk...but the sport works on more than just a pace/consistency basis.

[Mirek]

Looks like a problem for Camilli so Suninen wins WRC2 in old Fabia S2000!

Could well be the last victory for the car on international level. Nice :)

[Fly]

Neuville was working as a consultant for Belgian TV during the Power Stage. He said he was not expecting many changes in the line-ups for 2016.
2017 will be a different story, Neuville said.

[janvanvurpa]

Shag, I do happen to have a couple of national titles to my name and have competed Internationally as a driver, as engineer and as a team manager. Then there is the motor racing side to my activities. And yes, I have even organised an event or two.

Your move.

Why are you ashamed to post your name?
I put my name up.

THAT was the first move.
Second;
Why repeat --since you are whoever the f**k you are-----

a message which I can't decide which it is more of: airheaded or contemptuous?
Give ya a hint: some guy zoomz around on some skinny ass roads---and comes second by less than 1/4 of 1% of the speed of the other guy who was first...I'm not going to call him a loser.
Or a "looser" whatever the hell that is.

Especially knowing my own modest results...

[N.O.T]

The season is over !!! Time for a celebratory dance for the Champions and the failures of 2016

http://i.imgur.com/gnwcvCU.gif

I really liked the development of Paddon this season if he keeps this up and improve A LOT on tarmac he can challenge for wins when Ogier retires... Other than that it was business as usual for the rest of the field... Latvala and Meeke broke under pressure, Kubicas car did not let him win every stage and every rally as his dogs proclaimed, Wilson became richer, and Ogier gave all the little kids a ride to rally school.

[thuGG]

Kubicas car did not let him win every stage and every rally as his dogs proclaimed

I would like to see that proclamations.

[MrJan]

So, spectators in the middle of the road at SS1 were probably foreigners and a bad placed log is a natural part of the scenery...come on!

For safety reasons, I've seen on other WRC events people obliged to move their cars parked further from the road than that forgotten log, and SS delayed or canceled because of spectators behavior. It seems that in GB Rally security standards are much more permissible...

Probably, "if" it was Meeke instead of Neuville all british rally fans were now asking why on earth wasn't that log removed..

The people stood in stupid places (it hasn't been confined to SS1) could be any nationality so not sure what you're getting at there. I've seen plenty of British people being idiots, and it's not just the 'one event a year' lot either. I fully agree that stages should have been at risk from where some people were stood, the love TV stage yesterday had some people in crazy positions. What I would say though is that it was nearly as bad as some of the jumps in Poland.

As for the log, Rally GB is run through forests where trees at felled, so to my mind it's an understandable hazard. However regardless of that it's something that was in place during the recce and should be noted. It's not a car that was moved there between recce and stage, so the crews should have been aware of it. Do you want organisers of the rougher gravel rallies to remove all the big rocks from beside the stage?


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[306 Cosworth]

I've just rewatched the pacenotes DVD I got before the rally, and Thierry didn't hit a log he hit a tree stump which I can quite clearly see on the DVD and in the videos of his crash too.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Subdued victory celebrations:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CT3MWdXXAAETJIL.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CT3JbZyXIAAhgk-.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CT2rqakWUAEH3jo.png

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CT2qCk6WUAEr_q1.jpg

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Yves Matton ‏@Yves_Matton
Great job from @krismeeke @paulnagle1 and @MadsOstberg @swerallywrc. Proud of you too. @CitroenRacing

Hope this means they get to keep their jobs !

[Fast Eddie WRC]

On the Great Orme:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CT2oxiBWoAACyHy.jpg:large

Also a good ending for Latvala today after a nightmare rally..

[SubaruNorway]

On the Great Orme:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CT2oxiBWoAACyHy.jpg:large

Also a good ending for Latvala today after a nightmare rally..

Oh look! Another road section!!

[MartijnS]

Haha, keeps annoying me too..

[dimviii]

are they allowed to stay inside the stage?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

are they allowed to stay inside the stage?

I think they could only film from the start and the end of the stage.

Photo was just to give an idea of the stage and the proximity to the sea... and it was closed for the fans due to the exposed position.

https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/778/22644232719_43399abe19_b.jpg

[SubaruNorway]

are they allowed to stay inside the stage?

It's not in the stage... why some of them are not looking at the car.

I saw a few in the onboard though, looked more dangerous staying in Aberhirnant in the dark and storm!

[dimviii]

It's not in the stage... why some of them are not looking at the car.


i know that they are not in the stage,i asked if they are allowed to be inside the stage,where they didnt allowed spectators.

[EstWRC]

About Meeke to M-sport, i remember Malcolm ruling it basically out in an interview some months ago. Just watched Tänak's onboard from SS16 and i dont know if it was bad luck or what but he avoided the rock on the right and then the rear just went to the bank and that was it, big shame :(

http://www.rallifoorum.ee/foorum/download/file.php?id=230

[tommeke_B]

A few more photos from yesterday and today. Never experienced such bad conditions on a rally, if it weren't WRC I wouldn't have stayed outside... It must have been extremely difficult for the drivers, especially yesterday night in the dark.

https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpt1/t31.0-8/12240284_1174379372573947_2099852680262357479_o.jp g

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https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/t31.0-8/12247912_1174379492573935_1281726524577251341_o.jp g

https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/t31.0-8/12248230_1174379369240614_5779972012807930921_o.jp g

[EstWRC]

http://www.m-sport.co.uk/m-sport-news/fiesta-rs-wrc/evans-salvages-sixth-on-home-soil.html

[AL14]

What a bad website they have. Is Malcom saving money in there too?

[Mirek]

Nice point for everybody defending superally (originally noticed by PLuto, not myself)

Linari only needed to finish to take the production cup. I know the pre-start story but still this is sure the way how titles shall not be taken...

SS1... retired -> superally

SS7... retired after SS -> superally

SS16... 55th of 60; 13,7 s/km down in WRC2
SS17... 58th of 60; 14,3 s/km down in WRC2
SS18... 50th of 58; 9,0 s/km down in WRC2
SS19... 51th of 58; 11,6 s/km down in WRC2

Altogether he finished 47 km ouf 309 which is 15%. I don't know if he had so big problems with the car that he barely started both first two legs and drove so slow through the third one that reverse gear could be enough or why it was like that. Anyway it was just a farce.

[dimviii]

What a bad website they have. Is Malcom saving money in there too?

they dont need to have a good website.If you want their services/products there are no alternatives/solutions.

[AL14]

they dont need to have a good website.If you want their services/products there are no alternatives/solutions.

I didn't mean it in a marketing way. It's just a medieval website that a world official manufacturer (or anything in the world actually) should not have.

[AL14]

Nice point for everybody defending superally (originally noticed by PLuto, not myself)

Linari only needed to finish to take the production cup. I know the pre-start story but still this is sure the way how titles shall not be taken...

SS1... retired -> superally

SS7... retired after SS -> superally

SS16... 55th of 60; 13,7 s/km down in WRC2
SS17... 58th of 60; 14,3 s/km down in WRC2
SS18... 50th of 58; 9,0 s/km down in WRC2
SS19... 51th of 58; 11,6 s/km down in WRC2

Altogether he finished 47 km ouf 309 which is 15%. I don't know if he had so big problems with the car that he barely started both first two legs and drove so slow through the third one that reverse gear could be enough or why it was like that. Anyway it was just a farce.

I think he retired in both stages 1 and 7 just not to run all the other stages of those days and risk a retirement but I agree with you this is not the way a title should be taken. It's good there won't be any production cup from next year.

[Rallyper]

TAlking about weather in Wales. I´d prefer NORF even if it´s raining...

[RAS007]

About Meeke to M-sport, i remember Malcolm ruling it basically out in an interview some months ago. Just watched Tänak's onboard from SS16 and i dont know if it was bad luck or what but he avoided the rock on the right and then the rear just went to the bank and that was it, big shame :(

http://www.rallifoorum.ee/foorum/download/file.php?id=230

Did Malcolm say why he was ruling Meeke out? If he is as frustrated at M-Sport's lack of competitiveness as he says, and as others on here have suggested he is, then he is going to need better drivers. Would it be because Meeke doesn't have any money to pay for a drive?

[EstWRC]

i don't remember exactly, i remember that he mentioned three drivers he would consider and he mentioned Neuville, Paddon and i dont remember the third one. But this was around rally germany time, so it doesnt mean he would not take him now.

The source i have doesn't mention Meeke too but Ostberg may go back to m-sport.

[EstWRC]

video of Tänak's retirement https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZ5-sI_EhRQ

[Eli]

Just seen the day 2 highlights from WRC+ and no coverage of the night time stages!!! so why have them if you aren't gonna show them?? it's always nice to watch and i was looking forward to it...and then they wonder why the WRC is falling apart...

[stefanvv]

Just seen the day 2 highlights from WRC+ and no coverage of the night time stages!!! so why have them if you aren't gonna show them?? it's always nice to watch and i was looking forward to it...and then they wonder why the WRC is falling apart...

may be Australia's disaster night stage kept them not interested?!? A shame really, night stages are like the cherry on the cake. Strange I'm saying that, I don't even like sweet....:rolleyes:

[Franky]

Let's see if they are in the full rally review. Daily review may be because of time constraints - too little time between the stages and upload deadline.

[Eli]

Let's see if they are in the full rally review. Daily review may be because of time constraints - too little time between the stages and upload deadline.

let's hope so..

[dodge33cymru]

Let's see if they are in the full rally review. Daily review may be because of time constraints - too little time between the stages and upload deadline.
Yeah, that's exactly the reason, has been the same before plenty of times when they have late stages.

[AL14]

From Paddon's Facebook

A massive THANK YOU to everyone that helped make our amazing season possible - the team, sponsors, fans and everyone that stayed up late at nights in NZ to follow us. To achieve six top 5 finishes this year is more than we could have asked and we now look forward to the next step of our progression where we convert those top 5's into podiums. Rest assured we will all be working hard over the next 6-7 weeks before the start of the new season to make that possible. Emoticon smile Its a privilege to be part of the best team in the world, and I can't not thank everyone within Hyundai Motorsport enough - you guys rock!
https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/t31.0-8/12239270_910636118972178_6174484834187124913_o.jpg

I'm always surprised about the cool head of this guy. Never in a hurry to be at the top, following a plan in a long term without forcing it, fully committed to his goals. The healthy face of rally. There is no driver with his experience with more hopes than him if he continues like that.
I'm really becoming a fan of him. I don't know if he will never reach Ogier's level but I put my money on this guy world champion in the next 7-8 years. And that day it will be fully deserved.

[dimviii]

another video from Kubicas high speed spin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lagWombBFQ&feature=youtu.be

[the sniper]

i know that they are not in the stage,i asked if they are allowed to be inside the stage,where they didnt allowed spectators.

I was on Great Orme today. I only found out it was 'closed to spectators' in the afternoon, that was from another spectator up on the stage! Basically I think they just shut the official car park on Great Orme in order to dissuade the more casual/less hardy fans. The fairly obvious public footpath that I walked up (which had been suggested by Mintexmemory) having parked in the town was completely open and there was no indication that entry wasn't recommended, though there's nothing they could really do to stop people going up it.

As for conditions on Great Orme, it was very windy on the top and particularly the south side. The spectator who told me they'd closed the road access told me the wind was/had been recorded at 82mph, which I can believe. The spot I was originally trying to get to was on the south side and involved descending the side of the hill into the wind through a slight valley, but I gave up as it was nearly physically impossible, such was the force of the wind against you. I literally started crawling down before I realised how ridiculous that was and let the wind blow me back up to the top! :D


Just seen the day 2 highlights from WRC+ and no coverage of the night time stages!!! so why have them if you aren't gonna show them?? it's always nice to watch and i was looking forward to it...and then they wonder why the WRC is falling apart...

If the TV people were the ones organising the rallies they probably wouldn't have them, given the choice. They're normally just too late to get in the daily broadcast on European rallies.


As for the rally over all, I really enjoyed it as per usual, even with the weather that made it something of an endurance event for spectators! The weather only beat me on Saturday, I stayed on Dyfnant for the first WRC run and all of the Nationals, but didn't fancy waiting two hours while getting progressively wetter and colder, even though the rain did ease and I really wanted to do the night stage again. It would have been a late finish anyway, but with the conditions it was just a bridge too far for me...

It was nice to see Makinen fan and Mintexmemory out there again. I imagine I saw a good few more of you at least on Shakedown without knowing, going by the videos and photos that have been posted that were taken there.

Just to add something to the discussion earlier in the thread regarding the Ogier/spectators incident, I have to agree with NOT, I doubt the people in the road were drunk. I've seen things like this a couple of times over the course of the rally and have seen it numerous times in the past. These people usually aren't drunk, they're just ignorant and/or stupid. Usually it's just local lads who seemingly don't appreciate the risks involved in walking down a live stage, that or they're foolhardy. You also get people who seem like they're familiar with the forests/outdoors, but seemingly just don't 'get' the dangers of a rally, as such they're a a law unto themselves... Frankly I can't see how these people can be eliminated or even educated, unfortunately.

[Rally Power]

These people usually aren't drunk, they're just ignorant and/or stupid. Usually it's just local lads who seemingly don't appreciate the risks involved in walking down a live stage, that or they're foolhardy. You also get people who seem like they're familiar with the forests/outdoors, but seemingly just don't 'get' the dangers of a rally, as such they're a a law unto themselves... Frankly I can't see how these people can be eliminated or even educated, unfortunately.

It can be done...Portuguese rally spectators were, probably, the most foolish around the world 30 years ago, but with a lot of persistence from organizers they've became a responsible rally public.

Mostly since the WRC rejoining in 2007, it was implemented a zero tolerance policy on spectators behavior, making them realize that Portugal Rally couldn't afford more spectators issues.

A large number of safe spectators areas were created at each SS, with a large contingent of marshals and police officers actively restraining people to those areas. The order was simple: if anyone was spectating outside those areas the SS would be cancelled! This risk made real rally fans became also an important part on this conscientiously move, pressuring the ignorant and/or stupid ones. In a very short time these became wiser or simply abandoned.

Because of the long gone years, there's still a prejudge over Portuguese (and maybe the other southern european) rally fans, but everyone should be aware that today's bad examples are elsewhere.

I think it can't be that hard for British rally organizers, with the FIA help, to sort out a proper spectator control plan in order to raise public safety on one of the most iconic WRC rallys.

[Rally Power]

I've just rewatched the pacenotes DVD I got before the rally, and Thierry didn't hit a log he hit a tree stump which I can quite clearly see on the DVD and in the videos of his crash too.

I've seen it again from Neuville's onboard and You and Jan are right: it was a stump, not a log. My mistake!

Either way, I hope that the "anti-cut cornering log device", seen in GB, doesn't spread all over the world...it simply sucks!

[denkimi]

another video from Kubicas high speed spin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lagWombBFQ&feature=youtu.be

and then some people are surprised that his car breaks often.

[the sniper]

The last day of the rally could have been cancelled due to human remains being found on Brenig!

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/121831


The entire final day of Rally GB came close to being cancelled due to a combination of the extreme weather and the discovery of human remains close to the route.

While the hurricane-force winds and incessant rainfall had been a concern all week, the biggest threat to the World Rally Championship's last day of 2015 came when a spectator erecting a tent next to the Brenig stage on Saturday night found a skeleton.

Police established an exclusion area 300 metres from junction six on Brenig - which was used as both the leg opener and the powerstage on Sunday.

Organisers came up with a possible route that would have reduced the six-mile stage to two miles, but were concerned the whole stage would have been declared inaccessible.

That would have forced the abandonement of the following Alwen stage too, leaving only the short Great Orme stage - from which spectators had to be barred due to the very strong winds.

Rally chief Ben Taylor told Autosport: "We were working with the police and our police liason officers into the early hours.

"If the police had come back and told us the whole area was out of bounds, there was nothing we could do.

"The next concern was that if Brenig was cancelled, we would have to cancel Alwen because there simply wouldn't be room for all the spectators to come out of Brenig and go into one stage.

"So that left us with the Great Orme, a stage which we'd had to clear of spectators because of the gale-force winds.

"Losing the final day was a very real possibility for some time late Saturday night and into Sunday morning."

Ultimately, with the co-operation of the police and swift work from the organisers and Natural Resources Wales workers in clearing felled trees in both Brenig and Alwen, the day ran without any interruptions.

"I can't say enough about the way everybody in this event has pulled together and worked to keep the rally running," said Taylor.

"It's truly humbling to have seen everybody so determined to get through problem after problem."

Also later in the article they give a timeline of the challenges faced by Rally GB, largely concerning the weather. On Saturday serious consideration was apparently given to cancelling the night stages. This was my fear at the time and one of the reasons I didn't hang around for the second run, as I'd have been suicidal if I had and they cancelled it!

[christy but]

have to say the irish crews got great support from their home fans..every voice I heard seened to be irish !!

also thanks to the marshals that stood out in that weather

[dodge33cymru]

You're right, I need to echo that, for the marshals to persevere in those conditions was utter dedication, thanks to each and every one for allowing us to enjoy the event.

[cmac]

The spectators in the road on Hafren when ogier passed wouldn't of heard the car coming.We walked down there well before the stage started and the wind was in to your face at about 50mph.
It was on the 1km straight near the beginning.
I doubt they were drunk but should of still been expecting the cars.

[stefanvv]

http://www.volkswagen-motorsport.com/fileadmin/user_upload/Fans_Friends/1%20WRC/Rallye/Grossbritannien/Berichterstattung/2015/2015-11-14_Samstag/886x498px_vw-20151114-9126.jpg

[stefanvv]

http://www.volkswagen-motorsport.com/fileadmin/user_upload/Fans_Friends/1%20WRC/Rallye/Grossbritannien/Berichterstattung/2015/2015-11-15_Sonntag/886x498px_vw-20151115-9486.jpg
Why Meeke stands there?
http://www.volkswagen-motorsport.com/fileadmin/user_upload/Fans_Friends/1%20WRC/Rallye/Grossbritannien/Berichterstattung/2015/2015-11-15_Sonntag/886x498px_vw-20151115-9482.jpg
http://www.volkswagen-motorsport.com/fileadmin/user_upload/Fans_Friends/1%20WRC/Rallye/Grossbritannien/Berichterstattung/2015/2015-11-15_Sonntag/886x498px_vw-20151115-9480.jpg
http://www.volkswagen-motorsport.com/fileadmin/user_upload/Fans_Friends/1%20WRC/Rallye/Grossbritannien/Berichterstattung/2015/2015-11-15_Sonntag/886x498px_vw-20151115-9401.jpg

[EightGear]

http://www.volkswagen-motorsport.com/fileadmin/user_upload/Fans_Friends/1%20WRC/Rallye/Grossbritannien/Berichterstattung/2015/2015-11-15_Sonntag/886x498px_vw-20151115-9486.jpg
Why Meeke stands there?


Because Julien Ingrassia's arms aren't 2 metres long? :)

[stefanvv]

Because Julien Ingrassia's arms aren't 2 metres long? :)

oooooooooookey

[dimviii]

borl highlights Wales
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VXQ2W5SMcQ&feature=youtu.be

[Mirek]

Don't know if it was mentioned here. Lukyanuk was supposed to start behind 2WD of William Wagner so he took a penalty to start later behind Higgins. Nevertheless he caught him and from the flying stones the radiator was damaged that much that he had to retire.

[Rallyper]

So giving him a decent starting number wasn´t on the WRGB´s agenda?

[Mirek]

That's difficult as he wasn't registered to any of WRC championships. He was seeded as the first non-registred driver behind WRC3 field which is theoretically best possible. They could have given him for example 5 minutes gap though. It's possible. Just remember Monte Carlo 2012 when Abbring with VW Motorsport Fabia S2000 started behind Luise Cook. They gave him 10 minutes on the start line (he still passed my point 3 km before the end of SS1 some 5 minutes ahead of her).

[wia5958]

Was a great call by hyundai to drop neuville givin his poor weekend again Will he really b a first team driver next year givin sordos strong perfomances lately. Him and paddon seem to work well as a team

[Toyoda]

Was a great call by hyundai to drop neuville givin his poor weekend again Will he really b a first team driver next year givin sordos strong perfomances lately. Him and paddon seem to work well as a team

I reckon he will be storming next year, Well ahead of Paddon and Sordo :) There is absolutely no logic in this statement, but I get the feeling he's biding his time.
Also very disappointed in Paddon at GB, slower than Sordo. Here's hoping Sweden will be good for the Pad man. I can't see Meeke and Ostberg loosing there seats. Nor Ott.

[Baig2507]

I reckon he will be storming next year, Well ahead of Paddon and Sordo :) There is absolutely no logic in this statement, but I get the feeling he's biding his time.
Also very disappointed in Paddon at GB, slower than Sordo. Here's hoping Sweden will be good for the Pad man. I can't see Meeke and Ostberg loosing there seats. Nor Ott.

If he's "biding his time", he will be the only driver in history to do it by putting his car on its lid & costing his employer many €000's consistently over the 2nd half of a season! That seems about as likely as Neuville showing mental fortitude!

[Toyoda]

If he's "biding his time", he will be the only driver in history to do it by putting his car on its lid & costing his employer many €000's consistently over the 2nd half of a season! That seems about as likely as Neuville showing mental fortitude!

This is true, but it's been rare for him to lid the car, he was first on the road, and going for it, as he had a few fastest times prior to this stage. When i say biding his time I was more referring to previous rallies, and I mean not pushing 100% or taking risks, knowing he was never going to really challenge with the car. But maybe that's all just excuses. Will be interesting to see next year, I think he is still quick and will be rapid next year.

[Grundo Farb]

This is true, but it's been rare for him to lid the car, he was first on the road, and going for it, as he had a few fastest times prior to this stage. When i say biding his time I was more referring to previous rallies, and I mean not pushing 100% or taking risks, knowing he was never going to really challenge with the car. But maybe that's all just excuses. Will be interesting to see next year, I think he is still quick and will be rapid next year.

You can't be rapid and still quick and being last in your team for a number of rallies. That doesn't make sense. You don't bide your time by DNF'ing.

But I love your optimism.

[MrJan]

That's difficult as he wasn't registered to any of WRC championships. He was seeded as the first non-registred driver behind WRC3 field which is theoretically best possible.

So it wasn't so much the organisers as the ridiculous rules imposed by the WRC on seeding? The same has happened with the BRC where young drivers in MS1 Fiestas have been running on the road ahead of WRC...it hasn't always ended well.


If he's "biding his time", he will be the only driver in history to do it by putting his car on its lid & costing his employer many €000's consistently over the 2nd half of a season! That seems about as likely as Neuville showing mental fortitude!

There have been drivers that have cost their employers but gone on to a degree of success. McRae and Solberg are two that were prone to accidents but went on to championships

[EstWRC]

Jaanus Ree photos http://jree.ee/gallery/wrc-gb/#image-1

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Listen to the wind on this vid of Kubica on Sweet Lamb ! Shows just how nasty the conditions were ...:eek:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwMCE1_zhlI

[Mintexmemory]

So it wasn't so much the organisers as the ridiculous rules imposed by the WRC on seeding? The same has happened with the BRC where young drivers in MS1 Fiestas have been running on the road ahead of WRC...it hasn't always ended well.



There have been drivers that have cost their employers but gone on to a degree of success. McRae and Solberg are two that were prone to accidents but went on to championships

Indeed a certain multiple French world champ had developed a reputation for binning it on WRGB (OK once deliberately) - Think 3 successive WRGB wins has put that one to bed!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Dont know if already posted..

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CTtqkwVXIAAmSv7.jpg:large

[Karukera]

I feel sorry for the Holy Welsh grass...

[leighton323]

Has anyone seen this? It's a 360 degree video of Eyvind Brynildsen at Wales Rally GB


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBg78t0IlU8

[N.O.T]

Has anyone seen this? It's a 360 degree video of Eyvind Brynildsen at Wales Rally GB


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBg78t0IlU8

Hyundai has a similar one with sordo at testing... how hard is it for those thick skulled WRC promoters to give the people these things from manufacturer drivers ?? They either are that incompetent and stupid or they are just put there by someone to keep the WRC from blooming. They have that stupid WRC+ subscription which doesn't worth 2 cents to pay... if we had proper footage i would be willing to pay serious money to get the service.

[leighton323]

Hyundai has a similar one with sordo at testing... how hard is it for those thick skulled WRC promoters to give the people these things from manufacturer drivers ?? They either are that incompetent and stupid or they are just put there by someone to keep the WRC from blooming. They have that stupid WRC+ subscription which doesn't worth 2 cents to pay... if we had proper footage i would be willing to pay serious money to get the service.

Agreed. I don't know if it's the promoters fault or the FIA and their rulings around safety but every other sport is constantly pushing the boundaries of innovation in their broadcasting, with new camera angles, added microphones etc.
And it's even more frustrating that they can never give any justification or reasoning for their lack of action.

[N.O.T]

Agreed. I don't know if it's the promoters fault or the FIA and their rulings around safety but every other sport is constantly pushing the boundaries of innovation in their broadcasting, with new camera angles, added microphones etc.
And it's even more frustrating that they can never give any justification or reasoning for their lack of action.

well Eyvind used it at an official FIA WRC event so it is not against the rules... the best WRC+ can do is stupid angles at 20fps.. pathetic.

[SubaruNorway]

well Eyvind used it at an official FIA WRC event so it is not against the rules... the best WRC+ can do is stupid angles at 20fps.. pathetic.

That was from the WRC2 test, not sure the quality is good enough yet though.

[AL14]

I would concentrate efforts in giving more live coverage than on this 360° video, I don't care what happens looking behind the car during a stage. Better garanteeing at least one or two live stages per day without those circus city stages.
And also giving a decent service with no bugs and more fps in videos.

[AndyRAC]

Agreed. I don't know if it's the promoters fault or the FIA and their rulings around safety but every other sport is constantly pushing the boundaries of innovation in their broadcasting, with new camera angles, added microphones etc.
And it's even more frustrating that they can never give any justification or reasoning for their lack of action.

Because it will take time, effort & money to promote properly! And no promoter will do this. They just sell TV rights, and think their job is done. Honestly, the coverage isn't a lot better than 10-15 years ago. And I won't mention the promotion.....

[Allyc85]

My pics from Rally GB

https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5675/23132880701_5f51e0ee44_z.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/Bfb4uH)Wales Rally GB 2015 - Dyfnant (https://flic.kr/p/Bfb4uH) by Alastair Cummins (https://www.flickr.com/photos/allyc85/), on Flickr

https://www.flickr.com/photos/allyc85/albums/72157661307171546

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Good photo's - WRC, National & Historics

https://www.flickr.com/photos/sarahbarrett_uk/sets/72157660620927907

[Simmi]

If we're plugging photos these were mine from Thurs/Fri/Sat. Any feedback welcome: https://www.flickr.com/photos/94998505@N03/albums/72157661421813061

[Rally Power]

Great pics Simmi. They're also useful to see how spectacular cutting corners rally drive technique is and how awful all ACCO (anti cutting corner objects ;) ) are!

[makinen_fan]

Better late than never. Some of my photos from the rally. Thanks for tommeke for pointing the spot in shakedown! Unfortunately I had to skip Sunday due to a problem with our car.

http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2015/photos/wales_rally_gb_2015/ych_1-ogier.jpg

http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2015/photos/wales_rally_gb_2015/ych_38-protasov.jpg

http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2015/photos/wales_rally_gb_2015/ych_9-mikkelsen.jpg

http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2015/photos/wales_rally_gb_2015/ych_5-evans-4.jpg

Full gallery here:
http://www.ewrc.cz/ewrc/fotogalery.php?events=19132&fotograf=301

[Simmi]

Some really nice shots Yiannis. Must have been stood very close to you in Shakedown. Looks like half the forum were in that section.

Was interesting to listen to Ben Taylor on the Absolute Rally podcast a couple of weeks ago. Basically admitting that with the current FIA restrictions there isn't a whole heap they can do to the current route in terms of variation. Maybe in a few years the closed road act will allow them to link a couple of forest stages together with a brief tarmac section.

[makinen_fan]

Some really nice shots Yiannis. Must have been stood very close to you in Shakedown. Looks like half the forum were in that section.



Yes indeed! We have almost the same shot of Gorban's Mini!

PS: I ve send you a pm the other day.

[dimviii]

nice photos Yannis!!

like this one

http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2015/photos/wales_rally_gb_2015/ych_89-duffy.jpg

[makinen_fan]

nice photos Yannis!!

like this one


Thanks dim!