2015 Monaco Grand Prix Thread

[AndyL]

Monaco baby!

The cars will be on track in less than 48 hours (Thursday practice in Monaco of course) so it must be time for a race thread... will Rosberg manage to stay out of the escape roads in qualy this year? Will Maldonado make it as far as the start of the race? Will Marussia (or maybe even McLaren) score a point?

Thursday 21 May
Free practice 1 starts: BST 9:00 AM, local (CEST) 10:00 AM
Free practice 2 starts: BST 1:00 PM, local (CEST) 2:00 PM
Saturday 23 May
Free practice 3 starts: BST 10:00 AM, local (CEST) 11:00 AM
Qualifying starts: BST 1:00 PM, local (CEST) 2:00 PM
Sunday 24 May
Race starts: BST 1:00 PM, local (CEST) 2:00 PM

[Big Ben]

My prediction about Monaco is that someone will use Rosberg and cheat in the same reply in this thread... of course my prediction works against the prediction itself but I'm making it anyway :p. I've always liked this track, mostly because of the onboard footage. The race is usually dull but the onboard cameras really show how extreme the driving is on this track. It's remarkable how they can go lap after lap so close to the barriers and not crash.

[The Black Knight]

My prediction about Monaco is that someone will use Rosberg and cheat in the same reply in this thread... of course my prediction works against the prediction itself but I'm making it anyway :p. I've always liked this track, mostly because of the onboard footage. The race is usually dull but the onboard cameras really show how extreme the driving is on this track. It's remarkable how they can go lap after lap so close to the barriers and not crash.

Well, it's hard to separate the two considering what he did last year, however, I do hope Hammy gets to make amends for what happened last year. It's not the end of the world, of course, as he'll beat Rosberg over the rest of the season anyway but as Hammy will be first out this time I suspect it should be okay.

I think Hamilton will be gunning for it this year so I'm going to go for him. I wouldn't mind seeing another unsuspecting team win it, like FI.

Hamilton for Pole and win. Another Mercedes one two is the most likely scenario with Vettel or Raikkonen third. It would be nice to see Manor and McLaren get some points as well.

[Mia 01]

I remember Kimis qualification 2005, everyone tought that Alonso got pole but Kimi thrunched all.

Kimi will win this year! I hope.

[AndyL]

I remember Kimis qualification 2005, everyone tought that Alonso got pole but Kimi thrunched all.

Kimi will win this year! I hope.

I have no idea what thrunching is, but I like the sound of it and I hope Kimi thrunches everyone in sight.

[N4D13]

My prediction about Monaco is that someone will use Rosberg and cheat in the same reply in this thread... of course my prediction works against the prediction itself but I'm making it anyway :p. I've always liked this track, mostly because of the onboard footage. The race is usually dull but the onboard cameras really show how extreme the driving is on this track. It's remarkable how they can go lap after lap so close to the barriers and not crash.
You have just used "Rosberg" and "cheat", so that was a self-fulfilling prophecy. :)

[steveaki13]

I would love to see Kimi win this race. Would be really good for F1. :)

I reckon Macca might get a point.

[anfield5]

I would love to see Kimi win this race. Would be really good for F1. :)

I reckon Macca might get a point.

Prob McDud's best chance for a point or three. The chassis is apparently quite good, the drivers are both capable and engine power is not as important as in other races. They will need to qualify well as if Fred and JB are 15th and 16th etc after quali it will be down to others mistakes rather than their ability.

[Tazio]

I remember Kimis qualification 2005, everyone tought that Alonso got pole but Kimi thrunched all.

Kimi will win this year! I hope.
Since his return a few years ago, he hasn't done particularly well at Monaco/Singapore.
Here is how his quali compares to his teammates :rolleyes:

2012 Monaco +0.56 to teammate
2013 Monaco -2.6s but it was wet/drying so I assume Grosjean made a mistake in Q2
2014 Monaco +0.703 to teammate
2012 Singapore +0.732 (Q2 comparison because Kimi didn't make Q3)
2013 Singapore +0.701 (ditto)
2014 Singapore +0.263
some quite large gaps there :rolleyes:

[Rollo]

I have no idea what thrunching is, but I like the sound of it and I hope Kimi thrunches everyone in sight.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlbjnZbxEcI

Thrunching - Even if you have no idea, leave him alone. He knows what he's doing... whatever the hell thrunching is.

[Robinho]

Despite the engine power issue being valid, it appears this year that Mere, and to a lesser extent Ferrari have both the most powerful and the most driveable engines, which makes me think this weekend will not be the magic button for the Renault and Honda boys

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[kfzmeister]

I have read that there is a preseason agreement from Mercedes between HAM and ROS about the order in which the drivers will go into Q3. Apparently, HAM has first choice and first is not necessarily the best option.....

http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/hamilton-set-to-run-first-in-monaco-q3/

[Mia 01]

The streets of Monaco are quit narrow at places, wonder how many drivers will finish.

[Storm]

Best chance for McDud (anfield hah!) to score a point...if they can make it to qually 2 or 3 - that's a big IF though.

I predict a boring race (but what I want is rain - we haven't had rain at Monaco recently have we??? and some weird grid positions, Kimi to win and Alonso to get a point.)

[Tazio]

Another cake-walk for Mercedes most likely. The drivability of the car is at times discounted because of its power advantage. However, if we have rain for quali, and or quali and the race, all bets are off. :)

[AndyL]

I predict a boring race (but what I want is rain - we haven't had rain at Monaco recently have we??? and some weird grid positions, Kimi to win and Alonso to get a point.)

The forecast is for showers over the weekend so it could happen :)

[The Black Knight]

Hammy signs new 3 year deal with Mercedes keeping him there until 2018 - would be a great way to start it by winning Monaco. Reportedly he will earn approx £100 million over 3 years. Not bad for the boy from Stevenage.

[N4D13]

The forecast is for showers over the weekend so it could happen :)
At least regarding the Maccas, I'm not sure that rain would be beneficial for them. Not just because Button set one of the best times in Barcelona's third sector on a dry track, but also because the car seems to be a handful to drive and rain would probably compound their misery.

[Tazio]

Fp1 is boring me to death. I'm hoping to rate the race between 6.6, and 8.2 :dork:

[Tazio]

Fp2 Rain dawgz :(

[Tazio]

Looks like Fp2 is a wash out, and I got up early for nothing! :angryfire

[Tazio]

Here is the jeopardy board as it stands right now!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CFi7ac7UsAI6se6.jpg:large

:rolleyes:

[steveaki13]

Here is the jeopardy board as it stands right now!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CFi7ac7UsAI6se6.jpg:large

:rolleyes:

Thats what real F1 is all about.

[steveaki13]

Only just got around to watching the practice sessions from Thursday.

They were dull.

Disappointed to see the exit of the swimming pool made even easier. Is there any point? Monaco's challenge is waining.

They should put back all barrier removed over the last 15 years IMO. Not that it will happen.

[Tazio]

Time for practice 3, anyone else watching at this ungodly hour? :snore:

[steveaki13]

I am

[Tazio]

I'm thinking pole is going to be near 1:14.....dawgz

[Tazio]

'sup Steve, Kimi just spanked the barrier and brought out the red flag!

[Tazio]

Max bins it!

[steveaki13]

Dawwgs

Hi Guys. Watching qualifying now. Something came up this morning.

Saw Kimi and Max whack the walls.

[steveaki13]

Grosjean blocking Fred.......

[Tazio]

:angryfire

[Tazio]

Steve :wave:

[Tazio]

Wow Fred barely got through Bottas got spanked
:confused:

[steveaki13]

Bottas out in Q1. He is gonna have some traffic tomorrow.

[Tazio]

Steve you're in trouble with Nasr :uhoh:

[steveaki13]

Steve :wave:

Taz :beer:

[steveaki13]

Steve you're in trouble with Nasr :uhoh:

Only 8 cars will finish though. My top 8 picks ;)

[steveaki13]

Alonso stopped at St. Devote :(

[Tazio]

That sucks for Fred. I wonder what happened.

[Tazio]

All my pick'ems guys are through except VB :angel:

[N4D13]

When it rains for Macca, it pours - Button's last lap got ruined due to Rosberg's yellow flag. I wonder whether Nico was practicing for Q3? :)

Alonso has just said on Spanish TV that he thought sixth or seven were feasible today.

[Tazio]

Oh crap Felipe didn't make it either!

[Tazio]

When it rains for Macca, it pours - Button's last lap got ruined due to Rosberg's yellow flag. I wonder whether Nico was practicing for Q3? :)

Alonso has just said on Spanish TV that he thought sixth or seven were feasible today.
Did Fred say what failed on his car?

[Storm]

Not watching, anything out of ordinary happening?

[steveaki13]

Not really Storm.

[N4D13]

Did Fred say what failed on his car?
Nope, he said the car just turned off but that he had no idea why.

@Storm: nothing particularly interesting, just a bit of a scare with some rain that didn't really come.

[pino]

Another Mercedes duel for pole Zzzzzzzzzz

[steveaki13]

Well done Lewis

Good laps on both runs.


Nico another mistake.

Kimi again in trouble, behind Red Bulls who could be slow.

[Tazio]

Impressive work by the Bulls

[rjbetty]

Wow, Felipe and Bottas 14th and 17th - That's my FGP down the pan then. :(


also: SUPER-DUPER QUALIFYING (Average Grid Positions) so far this year:

1.Hamilton - 1.2
2.Rosberg - 2.2
3.Vettel - 2.8
4.Ricciardo - 6.5
5.Raikkonen - 6.5
6.Massa - 7.2
7.Bottas - 7.7
8.Grosjean - 9.5
9.Sainz - 9.8
10.Kvyat - 10.0
11.Verstappen - 10.3
12.Maldonado - 11.7
13.Nasr - 13.2
14.Perez - 13.3
15.Hulkenberg - 13.5
16.Ericsson - 13.8
17.Alonso/Magnussen - 16.0
18.Button - 16.2
19.Stevens - 19.0
20.Merhi - 19.7


TEAMS
1.Mercedes - 1.7
2.Ferrari - 4.7
3.Williams Mercedes - 7.5
4.Red Bull Renault - 8.3
5.Toro Rosso Renault - 10.1
6.Lotus Mercedes - 10.6
7.Force India Mercedes - 13.4
8.Sauber Ferrari - 13.5
9.McLaren Honda - 16.1
10.Manor Ferrari - 19.4

[Tazio]

Great job by the Boss! Any chance of rain tomorrow?

[truefan72]

Wow, Felipe and Bottas 14th and 17th - That's my FGP down the pan then. :(

lol, Maldonando is providing me a glimmer of hope. and sadly grosjean is dropping another 5 spots ugh!

here is hoping Maldonado has a clean start and good race, i could use some lotus points

[truefan72]

Great job by the Boss! Any chance of rain tomorrow?

i think it might be the same overcast conditions. which suits me fine.

It was a good day

more importantly who will break through that Hamilton Rosberg Vettel top 3 lockout?

kimi did it once in malaysia, but pretty much every press conference post qualy and post race are these 3 guys

Also. I think mclaren are in an upwards trajectory. I didn't think they would do anything in 2015, but at this rate they should be in Q3 in Canada

[rjbetty]

lol, Maldonando is providing me a glimmer of hope. and sadly grosjean is dropping another 5 spots ugh!

here is hoping Maldonado has a clean start and good race, i could use some lotus points

Hopefully he will cause a pile up and my guys will get through :D

Well it was nice having the championship lead while it lasted I suppose. :( :P

[Tazio]

Should be a good battle between Nico, and Lewis. I'm going back to sleep, catch you guys tomorrow! :wave: :)

[N4D13]

And Sainz is starting from the pitlane after failing to heed the weighbridge call... :(

[steveaki13]

Hey Dawgs............................. Monte Carlo baby


Until about 5 years ago it was a fun race even if it was hard to get past. In the last 5 years we have seen tyre and fuel saving coming to the fore and thus cars and drivers don't push. That makes it dull.

This is a test of our patience these days sadly. Used to be a hard wearing challenge and tough race.

Not so much these days.


Personally I hope for a crazy race. :)

[Tazio]

Every race is a crazy race for me bro, as is almost everything else in life :crazy:


'sup dawg? :wave:

I'm pulling for Danny K and Jensie! :)

[steveaki13]

Love to see Kimi come through. Jense too, just cause he is a nice guy. lol

Gonna be us today Taz? Quiet as a grave around here

[veeten]

Game Time! :D

[veeten]

Roll off lap...

[Tazio]

Come on rain!!!!

[steveaki13]

Come on rain!!!!

This

or though sadly I doubt it.

Come on barriers :D

[Tazio]

I wonder who Pastor is going to take out!

[Koz]

Here we go!!

[veeten]

Here we... GOOOOOO!!!!!

[steveaki13]

Hulk in the wall and Felipe ailing around at the back.

Seb so nearly got Nico.

[steveaki13]

Racing incident on lap 1. Can't penalize Alonso surely

[Tazio]

Danny K passed Danny boy, Fred's up to 11th!

[veeten]

New noses for Hulk & Massa...

[Koz]

Maldonado took out Massa?

[Tazio]

So far the race is a 9.6 :dork:

[Tazio]

The Boss is checking out!

[Tazio]

Jensie and Fred are "line-a-stern" :dork:

[veeten]

5 sec. penalty for Alo...

[steveaki13]

Maldonado train. :p

Good pass by Verstappen

[steveaki13]

How on lap 1 can you give a penalty? Seems overly harsh

[steveaki13]

Maldonado out :(

[Tazio]

How on lap 1 can you give a penalty? Seems overly harsh
Maybe Fred can talk them out of it :p:

[N4D13]

Both Maccas are in the points. :)

[steveaki13]

Question while the race goes on.

Why do less cars go into the walls these days?

1. Cause some walls have been moved?
2. Better standard of drivers than in the past?
3. Or are the cars easier to drive than in the past?

[Koz]

1 & 3: yes

13,14,15,16 have been changed this year.

[Tazio]

Fred started on the primes !!

[N4D13]

Question while the race goes on.

Why do less cars go into the walls these days?

1. Cause some walls have been moved?
2. Better standard of drivers than in the past?
3. Or are the cars easier to drive than in the past?
1, then 3. I don't know about the second point, though, as it's always difficult to compare.

[veeten]

Done and done... Penalty for Alo.

[Tazio]

5 seconds aint squat! may cause him 1 positionn!

[Tazio]

Boss has brake issues, and getting reeled in! :eek:

[steveaki13]

1, then 3. I don't know about the second point, though, as it's always difficult to compare.

I think so too. Even add in the surface is not as rough as in the past. All in all its easier for drivers these days.

[steveaki13]

Brilliant to hear Lewis saying how slow they are driving. :dozey::dozey:

F1 needs to get back to sprint rather than cruising.

[steveaki13]

Lewis in trouble :eek:

[veeten]

Vettel is closer to Rosberg, that's the more immediate threat.

[Tazio]

The race is currently a 8.4 :)

[N4D13]

The race is currently a 8.4 :)
Why, has anything at all happened after lap 1? :-/

[steveaki13]

Not quite sure why, but in the past even without overtaking, you often had cars weaving around under rear wing of the car in front battling. Now the just sit 2 seconds behind.

Plus no one goes in the walls which lets be honest. around Monaco is key. Cause you end up with action and different point scorers.

[Tazio]

As you can see it has dopped a full point from my lap 5 evaluation;)

[N4D13]

Not quite sure why, but in the past even without overtaking, you often had cars weaving around under rear wing of the car in front battling. Now the just sit 2 seconds behind.

Plus no one goes in the walls which lets be honest. around Monaco is key. Cause you end up with action and different point scorers.
They're probably trying to save the tyres from overheating and keeping a relatively low pace, so there's no need to push. If you push, you get too close to the car in front and cook your tyres.

[steveaki13]

They're probably trying to save the tyres from overheating and keeping a relatively low pace, so there's no need to push. If you push, you get too close to the car in front and cook your tyres.

Yes you are right, but I would prefer to see the racing of the past.

[steveaki13]

The race is way better than the first half last year.

[steveaki13]

Verstappen lost 25 seconds + in the stops. :(

[Tazio]

Max's race is done!

[N4D13]

Now that I've reviewed Alonso's accident with Huelkenberg, I just think that the penalty was ridiculous. Maybe the stewards are atoning for failing to penalize Sainz in Montmelo? :p

[veeten]

Vettel still in 3rd, waiting for an opportunity...

[Tazio]

Kimi doesn't like the primes!

[steveaki13]

Last season we had a bit of chaos so Marussia could finish 9th.

None of that this year :(

[steveaki13]

Fred fed up

[N4D13]

By the way, while Merhi is under investigation for crossing the pit lane exit line, he's 20 seconds in front of his teammate even though he had been held up by him for a long time at the beginning of the race.

[veeten]

and Taz is downned... :(

[Tazio]

Come on Jensie!! :p:

[Tazio]

and Taz is downned... :(
Not really dawg, my expectations were already down ! ;)

[veeten]

Not really dawg, my expectations were already down ! ;)

just takin' the "up" escalator, eh?... ;) :D

[Tazio]

Jensie fastest car on the track!:eek:

[steveaki13]

By the way, while Merhi is under investigation for crossing the pit lane exit line, he's 20 seconds in front of his teammate even though he had been held up by him for a long time at the beginning of the race.


Good effort by him too. He has been on the radio moaning about blue flags. They are waved very early :mad:

[steveaki13]

Verstappen passes Bottas in the traffic. Good move :)

[N4D13]

Verstappen passes Bottas in the traffic. Good move :)
Did Sainz let him by or did the Spaniard just make a mistake? The guys in the Spanish TV thought that he let him on team orders, but I wouldn't trust them.

[veeten]

That's it, Max. Let Vettel do all the work... ;) :p

[N4D13]

No penalty for Merhi - I wonder why? Stepping onto the pit lane line is a black-or-white sort of thing...

[steveaki13]

Sainz let Verstappen through.

Great effort by Verstappen hugging Vettel's behind. Great defense by Grosjean too.

Good battling, thats what we want.

[Tazio]

What an idiot!!

[veeten]

Oh, Max. :(
What a waste...

[steveaki13]

What the hell.......

Grosjean slowing so early...... what was that.

[Tazio]

Just playing defense bro1

[N4D13]

WTF, Hamilton is third!

[steveaki13]

Hamilton pits.

Wow he has chucked the race away.......crazy strategy



He now has to pass the,. He will be so pissed

[veeten]

Steve, you sayin' Gros "brake checked" him?...

[Tazio]

Stupid strategy!!

[steveaki13]

Boss screwed.....

Gonna be fun.:p

[N4D13]

By the way, kudos to Grosjean for keeping Verstappen behind as instructed. He's nothing if not obedient. :p

[steveaki13]

Steve, you sayin' Gros "brake checked" him?...

No.

I wondered if he had an issue, but it must just be cos Verstappen was able to brake much later.

[N4D13]

Also, congratulations to Antena 3 (Spanish broadcaster) for missing Verstappen's accident, Hamilton's stop and all the subsequent SC mess.

[pino]

Now will be exciting....

[Koz]

fucking unlapping bullshit

[Tazio]

Come on Jensie!! :p:

[steveaki13]

unlapping shirt is crazy.....WTF is going on...................................... F1 is so pathetically stupid here


Is this gonna be Senna V Mansell all over again. :p

[pino]

Koz, no reason for such a language !

[Koz]

Rosberg is locking up alot!

[steveaki13]

Hamilton is royally screwed

[steveaki13]

Ricciardo passing Kimi with a nudge and let past Kyvat

Hamilton still screwed :p

[rjbetty]

Wow Hammy down to 3rd. Can't believe that just happened. Hopefully he will keep calm after the race and not say anything silly. It's a minor setback. We know he is the moral victor.

[Tazio]

Danny boy has to get a penalty for that move!

[The Black Knight]

Stupid fucking cunts Mercedes pitting Hamilton. That was stupid and just threw away the race and handed it to that other prick.

[N4D13]

Danny boy has to get a penalty for that move!
Agreed. It would be quite ironic if *that* got the same penalty as Alonso on the Hulk, BTW.

[steveaki13]

Ricciardo will get a penalty surely.

This must be up there with the most ridiculous give away ever....... Lewis will be angry and some.

Riccardo should chuck it up the inside and properly finish Lewis off :D

[Koz]

How much of a penalty?

Kimi will be 17-18 seconds behind, and Kvyat is nearly 5 seconds already.

[steveaki13]

Stupid fucking cunts Mercedes pitting Hamilton. That was stupid and just threw away the race and handed it to that other prick.

Erm..... Language Timothy

I agree this is the biggest screw up for a fair few years.

[N4D13]

Agreed. It would be quite ironic if *that* got the same penalty as Alonso on the Hulk, BTW.
Huge WTF.

[Koz]

No penalty?!! WTF

[pino]

Are we done with such a rude language ???

[veeten]

"No further action warranted".
Ah.. HAhAHAHAAAAAA..!! :D

[truefan72]

words fail me at the stupidity of mercedes

i'm off to bed

[Koz]

RBR send Ricciardo back?
How nice of them!

[veeten]

And the season has been saved. Closer racing has been secured.

[Tazio]

Are we done with such a rude language ???
I'm on your side Pinie :angel:

[rjbetty]

[Lovely people who sometimes make... questionable decisions and give the feeling you can't particularly trust them] at Mercedes pitting Hamilton. That was stupid and just threw away the race and handed it to that other [really nice guy who sometimes... gets on people's nervres].

I made your quote much nicer. :)

Hamilton himself will be criticised for coming in, but if he hadn't he would be slammed on here also, for "disobeying team orders", as we well know this is the only rubbish people can beat him with!


Well done Nico, lets see you celebrate wildly because you 'beat' Hamilton. (I don't know how to make smileys work anymore) :rolleyes:

[truefan72]

and look at rosberg celebrating like he earned it SMH
this is really tough to swallow
just like china 2007

[steveaki13]

Alonso 5 seconds for side by side action on Lap 1.

Ricciardo no action for shoving Kimi out of the way????/ WTF


F1 is up the wall.

Silly penalties given these days, no consistancy, to easy to drive, cruising saving tyres??? What a joke its becoming

[rjbetty]

and look at rosberg celebrating like he earned it SMH

No worries, if the season works out equally, it will just be a 'Fisi at Renault' win for him, and should be back to normal thereafter.

If Hamilton had chosen not to pit as instructed, the internet would be melting down now that he "disobeyed team orders!!!"

[veeten]

"there is no terrible way of winning, there is only winning..."

[N4D13]

Well, feel free to hate on me everyone, but I think Hamilton is just being a moron right now. He's obviously got every right to be sad, but F1 is a team sport and sometimes the team also makes mistakes. I don't think such a fuss would have been made had his engine just given up, even though it would have netted him 0 points instead of a podium. I think he needs to man up instead of acting like a spoiled brat.

[rjbetty]

So who on the pitwall made that Lewis decision. Was it Sam Michael or something? Wonder how Toto feels about this? Will someone be sacked? In 2010 here, a McLaren mechanic was sacked iirc for leaving something in Jenson's radiators, causing him to retire.

Does anyone else feel a bit disconcerted at Nico celebrating like a psycho? It's unnerving sometimes...

[Tazio]

Stupid fucking cunts Mercedes pitting Hamilton. That was stupid and just threw away the race and handed it to that other prick.
:sailor: Sorrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrry :angel:

[rjbetty]

Well, feel free to hate on me everyone, but I think Hamilton is just being a moron right now. He's obviously got every right to be sad, but F1 is a team sport and sometimes the team also makes mistakes. I don't think such a fuss would have been made had his engine just given up, even though it would have netted him 0 points instead of a podium. I think he needs to man up instead of acting like a spoiled brat.

Okeydoke, as long as you'd do the same. I'll let Lewis have it after last year and Derek Warwick's vicious criticism, which Lewis dealt with better than most.

Besides, Nico got a free ride for his behaviour after China.

[The Black Knight]

I made your quote much nicer. :)

Hamilton himself will be criticised for coming in, but if he hadn't he would be slammed on here also, for "disobeying team orders", as we well know this is the only rubbish people can beat him with!


Well done Nico, lets see you celebrate wildly because you 'beat' Hamilton. (I don't know how to make smileys work anymore) :rolleyes:

Someone's head needs to roll for this in Mercedes. Pitting him was ridiculous - there was no way he was he was coming out ahead!

[truefan72]

Well, feel free to hate on me everyone, but I think Hamilton is just being a moron right now. He's obviously got every right to be sad, but F1 is a team sport and sometimes the team also makes mistakes. I don't think such a fuss would have been made had his engine just given up, even though it would have netted him 0 points instead of a podium. I think he needs to man up instead of acting like a spoiled brat.

the only thing moronic is your comment
Hamilton showed class on the podium and his interview so what did he do wrong?

ridiculous

[Tazio]

I thought The Boss handled it all quite well, in fact very mature

[veeten]

log it under "seemed like a brilliant idea, at the time..." The grist in the mill was at how long the Safety car was on the track. As it was out there, the laps that 'advantage' was meant for were slipping away, to the point where it was moot.

Blame the strategists in the pit for that mistake.

[Hawkmoon]

Why would you give up track position at Monaco? Unless there was an issue with Hamilton's tyres that forced a stop, and Mercedes haven't said anything, then there was absolutely no reason to pit. Bonehead play of the year goes to the men in silver.

[Tazio]

Britany cheated! Someone had to say it! ;)

[The Black Knight]

Well, feel free to hate on me everyone, but I think Hamilton is just being a moron right now. He's obviously got every right to be sad, but F1 is a team sport and sometimes the team also makes mistakes. I don't think such a fuss would have been made had his engine just given up, even though it would have netted him 0 points instead of a podium. I think he needs to man up instead of acting like a spoiled brat.

How has he been a spoiled brat exactly? I found him rather pragmatic on the podium for a guy Whose team just screwed out of a win in the worlds most prestigious circuit.

Your point about the engines is irrelevant because that's not what happened.

[The Black Knight]

Britany cheated! Someone had to say it! ;)

He didn't but he definitely didn't deserve the win.

[steveaki13]

I have to say also, I thought Hamilton actually handled it very well.

You can't expect him not to look sad. Remember Kimi's face after losing his first win on oil in France 2002 and others I am sure.

He had the right to look pissed, but kept his mouth shut and said all the right things.

[Storm]

One of the most stupid things I have ever seen in F1.
At least it turned a dull dull race at the top into something that will be discussed for a while !

[truefan72]

toto is giving me nonsense

there was absolutely no need to bring in lewis plain and simple.
It doesn't matter what ferrari did .Hamilton was still going to lead the race and nobody was going to overtake him on the race track in monaco
so all this talk about bad calculations etc is just ridiculous

there shouldn't have been any decision in any way.
You are leading the race they are going to take a few laps to clean the mess, your harder compound tires have done less than the super soft with a lighter car,
STAY OUT!

I can't stand ted kravitz but for once he is expressing the sheer and utter disbelief most folks have in terms of mercedes logic

[Tazio]

He didn't but he definitely didn't deserve the win.The Anglo Mafia ain't buying it. What we have here is a conspiracy, and collusion in which Nico was complicit!
Santa Flavio!!! :p:

[steveaki13]

The Anglo Mafia ain't buying it. What we have here is a conspiracy, and collusion in which Nico was complicit!
Santa Flavio!!! :p:

Flavio was on the grid earlier today :eek: :angel:

[Tazio]

Flavio was on the grid earlier today :eek: :angel:

I rest my case :angel:

[steveaki13]

I rest my case :angel:

Piquet Jr was also seen wearing a Mercedes strategy t shirt too :cool:

[Spud]

I am still numb from the shock of what I witnessed this morning.....Shame on Mercedes AMG Petronas F1....LH won that race and you guys know it!!!! Really pissed off about it!!!

[The Black Knight]

The Anglo Mafia ain't buying it. What we have here is a conspiracy, and collusion in which Nico was complicit!
Santa Flavio!!! :p:

Dunno about a conspiracy but the most obvious collective case of brain fart I can remember ever seeing

[Robinho]

Was one of the stupidest things I've seen dine for a long time, not required AND poorly executed. I'd be pretty crushed if they'd managed to do that to me

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[Tazio]

Dunno about a conspiracy but the most obvious collective case of brain fart I can remember ever seeingLet's just call it home field advantage then, because their is something rotten in the state of Monaco :angryfire :confused: :angel:

[Jag_Warrior]

Well, feel free to hate on me everyone, but I think Hamilton is just being a moron right now. He's obviously got every right to be sad, but F1 is a team sport and sometimes the team also makes mistakes. I don't think such a fuss would have been made had his engine just given up, even though it would have netted him 0 points instead of a podium. I think he needs to man up instead of acting like a spoiled brat.

This is nothing like an engine expiring. This is complete and total incompetence. From everything I've read thus far, Hamilton has handled himself with complete professionalism. Unless I hear that he threw something or bitch slapped someone in the debrief, as far as I'm concerned, he is a man who doesn't snap under a completely wrong circumstance.

And could please you explain what "man up" means? I don't understand that at all.

[N4D13]

Well, feel free to hate on me everyone, but I think Hamilton is just being a moron right now. He's obviously got every right to be sad, but F1 is a team sport and sometimes the team also makes mistakes. I don't think such a fuss would have been made had his engine just given up, even though it would have netted him 0 points instead of a podium. I think he needs to man up instead of acting like a spoiled brat.
Just pointing out that I wrote this before the podium ceremony, in reference to his stopping the car on track, driving dead slow in the cooldown lap, knocking down the 3rd place sign or walking away from the podium and being asked by the FIA chief press officer, or whatever his title is, to come back. That's what I found childish about his behaviour. He had all the right to be upset, but this was just throwing his toys out of the pram.

That said, I think that the way he kept his composure in the podium was commendable. I also find that Brundle asking him how bad he felt was pretty low and that Martin should feel embarrassed; but Lewis gave a very nice reply.

[Tazio]

Just pointing out that I wrote this before the podium ceremony, in reference to his stopping the car on track, driving dead slow in the cooldown lap, knocking down the 3rd place sign or walking away from the podium and being asked by the FIA chief press officer, or whatever his title is, to come back. That's what I found childish about his behaviour. He had all the right to be upset, but this was just throwing his toys out of the pram.

That said, I think that the way he kept his composure in the podium was commendable. I also find that Brundle asking him how bad he felt was pretty low and that Martin should feel embarrassed; but Lewis gave a very nice reply.

Way to man up dawg!!:bandit:

[rjbetty]

This is nothing like an engine expiring. This is complete and total incompetence. From everything I've read thus far, Hamilton has handled himself with complete professionalism. Unless I hear that he threw something or bitch slapped someone in the debrief, as far as I'm concerned, he is a man who doesn't snap under a completely wrong circumstance.

And could please you explain what "man up" means? I don't understand that at all.

It's something people say to me a lot - usually if I were to ever to show the slightest dissatisfaction with anything, no matter how serious. It seems to mean stop being a weak child and grow up and act like a man!

With me and with Lewis, it seems that some people have very high standards for maturity. I only hope they apply those standards to themselves as well.

[The Black Knight]

Just pointing out that I wrote this before the podium ceremony, in reference to his stopping the car on track, driving dead slow in the cooldown lap, knocking down the 3rd place sign or walking away from the podium and being asked by the FIA chief press officer, or whatever his title is, to come back. That's what I found childish about his behaviour. He had all the right to be upset, but this was just throwing his toys out of the pram.

That said, I think that the way he kept his composure in the podium was commendable. I also find that Brundle asking him how bad he felt was pretty low and that Martin should feel embarrassed; but Lewis gave a very nice reply.

Slowing down to collect himself is pretty understandable given the circumstances. He was probably livid given what had happened. I'd probably have done the same thing myself. He's experienced enough to know that he needs to not say things in the heat of the moment that he might regret. I think he hit the 3rd place sign, don't think it was knocked - no big deal. You're just picking on nothing.

[Jag_Warrior]

If that was all he did, I think he handled having his race victory gifted to Rosberg about as well as any man could. I thought maybe he did the "Danica Stomp" down the pitlane or kicked Toto Wolff in the groin or tried to yank off Niki Lauda's remaining ear... something like that. But Pastor Maldonado, on cold, worn out rain tires, with Sam Michael as his race engineer, could have won that race under the same circumstance in that closing stage. So if that's all he did, good on him.

I've been watching racing since the 1970's. And I'm searching my memory bank to see if I can recall anything even close to what I just witnessed. I wonder who is updating his resume at Mercedes AMG right now though.

[Jag_Warrior]

It's something people say to me a lot - usually if I were to ever to show the slightest dissatisfaction with anything, no matter how serious. It seems to mean stop being a weak child and grow up and act like a man!

With me and with Lewis, it seems that some people have very high standards for maturity. I only hope they apply those standards to themselves as well.

I agree with you, in that some people seem to have very high (unrealistic) standards of maturity, when they, themselves, would likely act much worse in similar circumstances.

[airshifter]

The way I see it, if Lewis didn't knock any of the Mercedes team on their butts after that, he handled himself well. That was nothing but sheer incompetence with an added dose of stupidity. I felt robbed that my coverage didn't show the podium ceremony, so I can't comment first hand yet. But IMO Nico should have limited celebration and put Lewis on the top step with him.

I bet Ferrari are loving crap like Mercedes just did.

[steveaki13]

Trouble with getting Lewis on the top step with him is that you end with an Austria 2002 situation on your hands. Chaos.

Lets be fair, as stupid as this was. Nico did nothing wrong and he won the race. Whether is was a Lewis error, team error, mechanical failure.......


Nico won and celebrated accordingly and like Lewis said all the right things for the team.

[N4D13]

Trouble with getting Lewis on the top step with him is that you end with an Austria 2002 situation on your hands. Chaos.

Lets be fair, as stupid as this was. Nico did nothing wrong and he won the race. Whether is was a Lewis error, team error, mechanical failure.......


Nico won and celebrated accordingly and like Lewis said all the right things for the team.
Agreed. It would have been nice if Rosberg had not celebrated out of respect for Lewis, but it's hard to imagine that anyone would be complaining had he inherited the race win due to a reliability issue on Lewis' car. At the end of the day, both are things outside of either driver's control. Rosberg lucked into the win, all right, but he won and did what winners do - celebrate.

[airshifter]

Trouble with getting Lewis on the top step with him is that you end with an Austria 2002 situation on your hands. Chaos.

Lets be fair, as stupid as this was. Nico did nothing wrong and he won the race. Whether is was a Lewis error, team error, mechanical failure.......


Nico won and celebrated accordingly and like Lewis said all the right things for the team.


I just searched out some of the after race conference. Though I obviously can't see the body language, reading the interview it seems to me that everyone on the podium handled the situation very well. And I wasn't suggesting the chaos of the Austria incident, just hoping that Nico should do what it appears he did, by admitting his luck and the misfortune for Lewis being the real deciding factor.

[kfzmeister]

Not sure if this has been posted, yet. Perhaps it has already been discussed, but check out the video from Max crashing into RoGro. I can't see how anybody could really fault Max for this. I seems clear to me that the Lotus pulls hard to the right and goes from the gas. I think it was a typical veteran "welcome to the big leagues" statement.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2icY5k9pByE

[zako85]

Not sure if this has been posted, yet. Perhaps it has already been discussed, but check out the video from Max crashing into RoGro. I can't see how anybody could really fault Max for this. I seems clear to me that the Lotus pulls hard to the right and goes from the gas. I think it was a typical veteran "welcome to the big leagues" statement.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2icY5k9pByE


I am not sure if this video shows anything new. The clip was played ad nauseam over and over on TV during the yellow flag.

Also, I don't see any RoGros movements to the right. It seems like he was going to take a usual race line through the corner. When the contact happened he was certainly moving to the left. Some people place the blame on RoGro for braking early, but to me diving like that looked like an act of desperation by Verstappen who is feeling pressure to perform from within the team. Kvyat was all jolted in the race too. I suspect Red Bull's Dr Helmut Marko had a "motivational" conversation with both of them before Monaco.

[Tazio]

I seems clear to me that the Lotus pulls hard to the right and goes from the gas. I think it was a typical veteran "welcome to the big leagues" statement.I am not sure if this video shows anything new. The clip was played ad nauseam over and over on TV during the yellow flag.

Also, I don't see any RoGros movements to the right. It seems like he was going to take a usual race line through the corner. It appears that Rogro did feign to the right a little, but I'm not sure that that just isn't the way he normally sets up that corner, and even if it isn't there is nowhere to go on the right except to cut the chicane.
In this sense I agree with you [kfz'] that Rogro did deceive the kid, and made what could be construed as a "welcome to the big leagues" statement, although we cant know that for sure. At any rate I don't see anything there that contravenes the rules as you are allowed one covering move (although there really wasn't anything to cover on his right) before you get back on your normal racing line through the corner. According to Allan Permane the stewards acknowledged that the decision was made on the basis of data presented to them that RG got on the brakes 5 meters later than he did the lap before, and Max's contention from the beginning was that RG did brake earlier, which the data apparently doesn't support.
I think Max should just chalk this one up to experience, and get on with it, which really is all he can do.

I suspect Red Bull's Dr Helmut Marko had a "motivational" conversation with both of them before Monaco. I can't extrapolate things out that far, but I'm not saying it is outside the realm of possibility. However when you're racing the car you own up to your actions, which may or may not be what Max believes he has done.
Tough call this one!

[The Black Knight]

It appears that Rogro did feign to the right a little, but I'm not sure that that just isn't the way he normally sets up that corner, and even if it isn't there is nowhere to go on the right except to cut the chicane.
In this sense I agree with you [kfz'] that Rogro did deceive the kid, and made what could be construed as a "welcome to the big leagues" statement, although we cant know that for sure. At any rate I don't see anything there that contravenes the rules as you are allowed one covering move (although there really wasn't anything to cover on his right) before you get back on your normal racing line through the corner. According to Allan Permane the stewards acknowledged that the decision was made on the basis of data presented to them that RG got on the brakes 5 meters later than he did the lap before, and Max's contention from the beginning was that RG did brake earlier, which the data apparently doesn't support.
I think Max should just chalk this one up to experience, and get on with it, which really is all he can do.


I agree on this given the new information provided by the Stewards. Initially when I viewed the video it looked as though Grosjean had sold Max a dummy and braked earlier than usual. If the data indeed does show that Grosjean braked 5 metres later than the previous lap where Max was also up his gearbox then only Max is to blame. I'm a fan of Grosjean and Max but, from looking at the video, it looks differently. I'd love to see the onboard of the previous lap from Max and see what it looks like to compare.

Remember Singapore 2011 I think it was where Schumacher did something similar, a seasoned veteran,because he had forgotten to keep his tires warm during a safety car period. I still think it unfair for people like Massa, a guy whom himself has made massive blunders over the years, to come hitting out at Max for one incident. If it had happened in his first race then, for sure, there would be concern but he has proven himself to be more than capable of mixing it with the big boys over the opening 6 races as has Carlos Sainz.

[Hawkmoon]

Verstappen was carrying a lot speed into the corner. I suspect he may not have made the corner even if he hadn't clipped the Lotus.

[truefan72]

Verstappen was carrying a lot speed into the corner. I suspect he may not have made the corner even if he hadn't clipped the Lotus.

even though i did blame grosjean for the incident as well and maybe a a bit more than max, i also think that it would have been hard for verstappen to make that corner. i have just watched it again and he was coming in there at some speed. So perhaps i'm being swayed back towards blaming max more.

[Tazio]

I agree on this given the new information provided by the Stewards. Initially when I viewed the video it looked as though Grosjean had sold Max a dummy and braked earlier than usual. If the data indeed does show that Grosjean braked 5 metres later than the previous lap where Max was also up his gearbox then only Max is to blame. I'm a fan of Grosjean and Max but, from looking at the video, it looks differently. I'd love to see the onboard of the previous lap from Max and see what it looks like to compare.

Remember Singapore 2011 I think it was where Schumacher did something similar, a seasoned veteran,because he had forgotten to keep his tires warm during a safety car period. I still think it unfair for people like Massa, a guy whom himself has made massive blunders over the years, to come hitting out at Max for one incident. If it had happened in his first race then, for sure, there would be concern but he has proven himself to be more than capable of mixing it with the big boys over the opening 6 races as has Carlos Sainz.

Nice well reasoned post TBK. As for the part I have emboldened; I'm not one for taking or discounting others opinions. Felipe is entitled to his, and people should take it for whatever they think it is worth. After all he saw the same video as everyone else, and just because he is someone that will get a microphone shoved in his face, and be quoted in racing publications doesn't mean you have to agree with him.

[journeyman racer]

My computer had a bad virus, which has prevented me from using the internet as often as normally would. Needless to say, but I can't wait to read this fred! Oh God, I'm going to go right from the the first post and build myself to the big moment!

I switch over to the Eurovision replayed broadcast from a commercial break. I flick back to see Hamilton behind Rosberg and Vettel. "He's not going to get past them. What on earth has happened?"

That was hilarious! Personally? It largely makes up for Hamilton's 08 Monaco win which was the biggest fluke win I've come across. Now we just need for Rosberg to beat Hamilton to the title within 17pts to readdress the balance.

Oh deary me.

[journeyman racer]

Stupid fucking cunts Mercedes pitting Hamilton. That was stupid and just threw away the race and handed it to that other prick.
So you disagree with my opinion that it was amusing?


Erm..... Language Timothy

I agree this is the biggest screw up for a fair few years.
lol His name's Timothy!


Dunno about a conspiracy but the most obvious collective case of brain fart I can remember ever seeing
You didn't see Hamilton cost Mclaren/MB a win in Canada in 08?

Massive brain fart there, or maybe lack of brain fart? Hamilton's brain wasn't working then.

[journeyman racer]

words fail me at the stupidity of mercedes


Well. I suppose they've only funded his whole career. Provided awesome engines and cars to participate and win in F1.

Remember. MB can win F1 races and titles without Hamilton. Hamilton ca't win without MB.


and look at rosberg celebrating like he earned it SMH
Geez. Even I can taste the bitterness of that lemon!

lol


this is really tough to swallow
just like china 2007
What happened then?


:D

[steveaki13]

lol His name's Timothy!



Nope. Thats a very dated reference to a UK TV show from the 70s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3qNOScQcqQ

:p

[The Black Knight]

So you disagree with my opinion that it was amusing?


You didn't see Hamilton cost Mclaren/MB a win in Canada in 08?

Massive brain fart there, or maybe lack of brain fart? Hamilton's brain wasn't working then.

If you have to go back 7 years to find Hamilton's last brain fart then he's doing pretty well given that for most drivers it's an annual thing or, as is the case with Maldonado - weekly.

[jens]

"there is no terrible way of winning, there is only winning..."

Welll... Except when you cheat. But Rosberg didn't cheat. He lucked in a fair way! No complaints from me. At least championship is more exciting, and I like that, even if it is "artificial" like some claim.:) But Irvine challenging Häkkinen in 1999 was also "artificial". Or Kubica challenging in 2008. I don't care!

[journeyman racer]

Nope. Thats a very dated reference to a UK TV show from the 70s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3qNOScQcqQ

:p

His name's Timothy now!



If you have to go back 7 years to find Hamilton's last brain fart then he's doing pretty well given that for most drivers it's an annual thing or, as is the case with Maldonado - weekly.
Oh no. I can find numerous lapses fo concentration or general clumsiness. But that's human nature. What happened at Canada 7 years ago? You never forget that. Just like you'll never forget what happened a couple of weeks ago.

Never ever!

[Zico]

Well. I suppose they've only funded his whole career. Provided awesome engines and cars to participate and win in F1.

Remember. MB can win F1 races and titles without Hamilton. Hamilton ca't win without MB.

That is true but anyone could argue that the same could be said of nearly all WDC winning drivers if they weren't given a dominant car, unless F1 becomes a one make championship that argument will never go away... and despite some bad luck and dodgy strategy decisions he is still beating his team mate consistantly and leads the WDC.

You come across as a Lewis hater. Yes he isnt perfect, no one is.. but like him or not you cant deny that he is one of the quickest drivers on the grid and also one of the most exciting to watch when the going gets racy.

[journeyman racer]

That is true but anyone could argue that the same could be said of nearly all WDC winning drivers if they weren't given a dominant car,
You avoided the bit where Merc have funded Hammy's whole career.



unless F1 becomes a one make championship that argument will never go away...
The best car will always win a one make race.



You come across as a Lewis hater. Yes he isnt perfect, no one is.. but like him or not you cant deny that he is one of the quickest drivers on the grid and also one of the most exciting to watch when the going gets racy.
How about you focus on truefan's hugely ungrateful comment?

[truefan72]

How about you focus on truefan's hugely ungrateful comment?

what ungrateful comment?
do you work for Mercedes Benz corporate?
what a load of hogwash

focus on your own discussions and stop bringing my name in to deflect from your rather pedestrian comments.
SMH

[Zico]

You avoided the bit where Merc have funded Hammy's whole career.

Eh? If you read back you will see that I quoted your comment about Merc funding his career and said it was true. Only a complete fool would try to deny this well known fact.





How about you focus on truefan's hugely ungrateful comment?

Maybe because I agree that it was a bad mistake by Merc... and thats not taking anything away from Merc for the brilliant car they have provided Hamilton with.




The best car will always win a one make race.


Im actually kinda stunned at your belief that the driver doesn't make any difference... Needless to say, I disagree.

[giu canbera]

I tried to watch the Canadian GP and boooy F1 is weiiiird nowadays haha IDK what is wrong with it but it was simply not interesting

[journeyman racer]

Eh? If you read back you will see that I quoted your comment about Merc funding his career and said it was true. Only a complete fool would try to deny this well known fact.
So who are the other drivers who've had almost their whole career funded by one manufacturer/brand/company, like Hamilton has.



Im actually kinda stunned at your belief that the driver doesn't make any difference... Needless to say, I disagree.
You could do with a deeper look into spec series, or categories with a heavy parity element.