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zako85
14th April 2015, 14:08
In 2014, nearly every F1 spectator thought, or perhaps always felt at some kind of subconscious level, that Lewis Hamilton is in another higher league from his Mercedes teammate Nico Rosberg. And so we were pleasantly surprised by the fact that the driver championship battle went on all the way until the end of year. Yes, such long battle happened likely because of a succession of unexpected incidents, such as reliability issues, and on-track dramas (like Monaco qualifying or the Spa incident). In the end, a whole lot of spectators were happy that a close points competition existed all the way to the end of 2014. The only other minor excitement was provided by the performances of the young rising stars like Ricciardo, Bottas, and Bianchi (the last is unfortunately and painfully struggles for his life as of now) while the powerhouse teams like Ferrari and McLaren were seemingly MIA.

However, this season, I suspect Mercedes has finally sorted its reliability issues and instilled a strict code of conduct among the drivers. The result? Hamilton wins two out of the three first races, and he stays ahead of his teammate in qualifying and all three races so far. Even though Mercedes was caught with its pants down in Malaysia, I am afraid that the Chinese GP will be the blueprint for the rest of this season. We're going to see Hamilton-Rosberg 1-2, followed by Ferraris, and then the rest. Sure, a couple of weird and unexpected races may happen, like the Canadian GP of 2011, but the outcome of the season is nearly clear by now. Agree or disagree?

jens
14th April 2015, 15:41
If the question is whether Hamilton is the main favourite to win the title and it is his title to lose, then yes.

In terms of individual race results it looks like we could get more variety than in 2014 at least at the front. Because Ferrari's race pace is much closer to Mercedes than what anyone managed last year. And there will be more races in which Ferrari can win. But in terms of championship it may not be enough.

As for the overall depth of the field, competition is still as sparse as last year, with no progress on that front. Big class differences. Mercedes alone, then Ferrari alone, then Williams, then Lotus. Right down to McLaren. You get the point.

Actually I was thinking that if Ferrari would be close(r) to Mercedes, this season would almost remind 2007. Then also we had two teams firmly at the front. Then BMW Sauber (now Williams) almost always 5th and 6th in no-mans-land. And then the rest of the field in a tight(ish) scrap for P4 in the constructors championship.

A FONDO
14th April 2015, 22:19
Hamilton and Mercedes are obvious but I find it very interesting below. The new guys in the bulls, the saubers. Teams' championship is even more intriguing. I'm having high expectations for the first half of the season.

truefan72
15th April 2015, 02:22
this years sauber car is like some of the toyota's in the past. an above average car wasted on below average drivers.

put alonso and jneson in the saubes and you would see them give the williams and ferrari a run for their money.

So far i am disappointed with force india's step back, happy about the lotus gaining momentum and fully expected mclaren to be where they are. Their troubles go beyond the honda engine. something is simply off with the team as a whole.

I still think that RBR will get their act together sooner than later with a much improved engine. last year this time we were taling about a mercedes sweep of the season and look what happened. in 2009 we were talking about a brawn sweep and look what happened. Despite mercedes dominance, there are opportunities and thaat is more than can be said about 2 of the 4 RBR WCC years.

Tazio
15th April 2015, 04:41
At least were having a season, and as usual all sharp objects are in a time locked vault from Friday to Sunday night, that only Slash can override with the back door password.
I hope no one takes this the wrong way, but I have this recurring thought that Mike is just going to show up for the USGP on a Harley wearing a chrome Skid Lid all tatted up with a Lucky Strike hanging off his lip all like, "'sup dawgz?" And he'll have a babe on the backseat in a thonged bikini, but it won't be Corrina, it will be Connie Montoya all buffed and tan, sporting spike heels with a freakin' bottle of Tequila in her hand, chirping: "Where's Slash? Let's party!"

Robinho
15th April 2015, 05:37
Whilst it does appear that it is going to be largely 2 by 2 through the field, there has been some decent racing midpack and I think it will be interesting to watch Mclaren's progress as they develop and the likes if FI, Sauber and Torro Rosso likely stagnate due to lack of funds

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rjbetty
15th April 2015, 06:50
Maybe not the most riveting season, but enough to keep me intrigued.

Mercedes not having it all their own way. I have thought this is like 1989 compared to 1988, which I think is an underrated season. A big appeal of F1 for me is the interest of seeing teams close the gap a little over a dominant team. 1989 was still McLaren but other teams and drivers got a look in, and compared to 1988 seems much more fun.

2007 and 2008 is another example. 2008 was sorta similar but with BMW and others closer and able to get in the mix much more than the previous year.

Max Verstappen and Toro Rosso. I have been really keen to see what Max can do, and I expected he would do what he's done so far, and that Toro Rosso would get closer to Red Bull (in fact seem better).

I am very interested in Manor's slow recovery from near death experience, and if they keep fighting and going forward, what hope there could be in the future.

Nice to see Lotus improving, though it appears to be ONLY the Merc engine pretty much.

I find McLaren's progress interesting too, and indeed am curious to see if there chassis really is any good when they can get it dialled in. My suspicion is it's decent, around on a par with Williams.

Even maybe the prospect of seeing what Hamilton can do in a season where he can really stretch his legs a bit without being too truncated by issues, sort of like MSC and Vettel have had for example. Although that may be boring, I wouldn't mind seeing just one season, if it does happen, where he's able to drive relatively unfettered throughout the year.

Tazio
15th April 2015, 07:23
I am very interested in Manor's slow recovery from near death experience :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

jens
15th April 2015, 09:47
this years sauber car is like some of the toyota's in the past. an above average car wasted on below average drivers.

put alonso and jneson in the saubes and you would see them give the williams and ferrari a run for their money.


Trulli (but also his team-mates) wasn't that bad. He was an adequate midfield driver comparable to the likes of Webber, Barrichello, and others, who were also in midfield on those days. Toyota didn't attract a top driver, but then again nobody among them would have liked to join the team back then anyway. But Toyota drivers were fine among other midfield drivers, who were there at the time.

As for Sauber. I doubt they are THAT good that they can fight against Williams, let alone Ferrari. There are some pretty clear class differences among teams. We should not overexaggerate.:)

For instance at the Australian GP Massa (4th in the Williams) finished almost a minute in front of Nasr (5th in the Sauber). And this is Massa we are talking about, who is not known for stunning race pace. It is easily possible at that race Nasr as a driver happened to have a good day and performed just as well as Massa.

journeyman racer
15th April 2015, 11:37
Yes. But you'll continue to watch it, and for many years/decades to come.

truefan72
15th April 2015, 20:28
Trulli (but also his team-mates) wasn't that bad. He was an adequate midfield driver comparable to the likes of Webber, Barrichello, and others, who were also in midfield on those days. Toyota didn't attract a top driver, but then again nobody among them would have liked to join the team back then anyway. But Toyota drivers were fine among other midfield drivers, who were there at the time.

As for Sauber. I doubt they are THAT good that they can fight against Williams, let alone Ferrari. There are some pretty clear class differences among teams. We should not overexaggerate.:)

For instance at the Australian GP Massa (4th in the Williams) finished almost a minute in front of Nasr (5th in the Sauber). And this is Massa we are talking about, who is not known for stunning race pace. It is easily possible at that race Nasr as a driver happened to have a good day and performed just as well as Massa.

lol @ the massa race pace comment.
But yeah fair points. but lest we forget the "Trulli train", my man trulli was not known for the best race pace either and they overpaid for an unmotivated Ralf Schumacher which meant they had no budget to attract someone else. I'll partially forgive them for that since ralf was pretty quick during his williams stint.

But i remember a more than decent car that should have won several gp's already.
Especially in 2009 where they along with brawn got a jump on the competition with the Double Diffuser and trulli putting the car on pole in Bahrain. Trulli and glock were below average at that time and the team suffered.

As to the 2015 sauber, it surprised me tbh, but i still think that alonso and jenson would have wrestled a lot more out of the car and just like ferrari proved in malaysia, you can benefit from situations to get a jump on your competition. I don't think ericson brings much to the table besides money. And nasr to me would have benefited from a year as a 3rd driver. His entire gp2 career was marked as a timid driver who needed to be coaxed to up the pace. He also had a less developed feel for tires and more than often left his push for the front too late. I watched a lot of gp2, with enough races to firmly make an informed opinion about his race craft. Heck if they had petrov and buemi or even diresta in that sauber, i still believe they would extract more race pace from that car, as well as providing constructive feedback to help improve the car.

So yeah, maybe australia was a bit of a mirage, but i just get the sense, 2 better drivers would vastly improve the performance. and pus the likes of ferrari and williams.

Duncan
15th April 2015, 20:41
I don't expect it to be a boring season at all. It seems right now to be much closer between Mercedes and Ferrari than I expected, and with continued development I'm fully expecting to see Vettel (and possibly Kimi) on the top step of the podium more than a few times as the season progresses.

The fight between Hamilton and Rosberg last season was certainly interesting, but I'd much rather have a strong inter-team fight, preferably with more than two competitive teams. It's been quite some time since we've seen the constructor's championship not be a foregone conclusion right out of the gate. I think Mercedes will still have it this season, but it will be closer than we've seen since before the Red Bull era.

steveaki13
15th April 2015, 20:52
I went to and then re watched on TV the First round of the World Endurance Championship at Silverstone at the weekend.

We had a really great race in the front of LMP1 and all classes through the race.

I mean #7 Audi and #18 Porsche had an epic battle around 2 hours. The Audi so good in the corners kept passing the Porsche around the outside and inside and then the Porsche was mighty on the straights.

It was the kind of battle F1 can only dream of these days. Hamilton v Rosberg last season a few times was great, but nothing like that.

It was great racing and much more pure and thrilling than most of F1 these days sadly.

zako85
16th April 2015, 12:46
^

That battle at Silverstone was probably better than any F1 wheel to wheel battle in the last 4-5 years. My stereotypical view of WEC battles was about races of attrition and complex strategies, where many overtakes happen in the pits due to clever strategy and wheel to wheel racing lasts at best a couple of laps. But the 6 hours of Silvestone was an epic battle.

Whyzars
17th April 2015, 10:18
It was great racing and much more pure...


How can you say that?


The WEC is violently burning ancient rainforests and drowning polar bears.

F1 is cuddling infant gorilla's and spraying potpourri from the exhaust.

F1 is much more pure...

steveaki13
17th April 2015, 22:06
How can you say that?


The WEC is violently burning ancient rainforests and drowning polar bears.

F1 is cuddling infant gorilla's and spraying potpourri from the exhaust.

F1 is much more pure...


:D

Mia 01
18th April 2015, 10:08
Not for me. I´m looking forward to see Kimi and Seb hunting down thoose mers. Perhaps some wins is on the cards for Kimi?

steveaki13
18th April 2015, 12:00
Not for me. I´m looking forward to see Kimi and Seb hunting down thoose mers. Perhaps some wins is on the cards for Kimi?

I hope so. Really would like to see Kimi back to his old self