Rally Poland 2015

[jbmarcus21]

Road program 2015 is out http://planetemarcus.com/saison-wrc/wrc-rallye-pologne-2015/

one long stage (x2) with 42.20 kms ... total kms 325.15kms with 19SS

[tommeke_B]

Anyone who has some experience with this event? Things to do/avoid when it comes to watching the stages? I'm coming to Poland for the first time, just booked fLight and accommodation... :)

[br21]

In general nice event, nice to watch! Some traffic jams possible, also a lot of walking, as car parks far away from stages. That's what people say, as I was working during that event for last 5 or over years so didn't visit any stages in last couple of years. If you need any more info PM me.

[Hartusvuori]

I'm coming to Poland for the first time, just booked fight and accommodation... :)

You should take it easier, at least don't book a fight beforehand... ;-)

[Muchonen]

Avoid driving through Mikoajki between stages, if u have to, remember there are huge traffic jams so give yourself some extra time. Talking about accommodation, last year locals weren't very aware of rally so u could easily get nice place in normal prices even few days before start. This year may be little different but still nothing to worry about. And Mikolajki is not the best place to sleep because of those traffic jams. I'll do the same as last year, take my tent and sleep on stages :) that's the way to feel beauty of Warmia and Mazury

[Muchonen]

I'm coming to Poland for the first time, just booked fight... :)

And yes please make love not war :D

[sindroms]

Maps are online - http://rajdpolski.pl/en/2015/documents-forms

[GigiGalliNo1]

I'm going :D

[Livewireshock]

I'm going :D

That is interesting, we will have to catch up while you are there. I'm making the big effort to get there too.

[jbmarcus21]

Google Earth Map is online http://planetemarcus.com/saison-wrc/wrc-rallye-pologne-2015/

[Livewireshock]

Great work as ever.

[Hubertos]

Hello, I'm new member of this forum, so I want to say hello to everybody :).
Here you have some interesting stuff of Rally Poland:
https://mega.co.nz/#F!yUYnnLiC!TJ-51KQ-6vUcLSOEha80Ag maps of stages, city and service parck
https://www.facebook.com/1387619354901390/videos/1397663610563631/?type=1&theater - shakedown
https://www.facebook.com/1387619354901390/videos/1397656890564303/?type=1&theater - SS Gorklo
https://www.facebook.com/1387619354901390/videos/1397666040563388/?type=1&theater - SS Goldap
https://www.facebook.com/1387619354901390/videos/1397670607229598/?type=1&theater - SS Babki
https://www.facebook.com/1387619354901390/videos/1398119710518021/?type=1&theater - SS Mazury
https://www.facebook.com/1387619354901390/videos/1398135133849812/?type=1&theater - SS Wieliczki
https://www.facebook.com/1387619354901390/videos/1398139647182694/?type=1&theater - SS Swietajno
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1yC3fnaT0A&list=PLoB0TtNkaLAiGUJGdVaVNoQ2pX_tamKxz&index=5 - SS Stanczyki
I think I will add more things soon.

[samWRC]

When the entry list will be published?

[pantealex]

When the entry list will be published?

8.6 (and now is 9.6)

[sindroms]

Entry list:
http://www.rajdpolski.pl/pliki/zawodnicy/2015/entry_list_-_lotos_72nd_rally_poland.pdf

[Hubertos]

https://www.facebook.com/1387619354901390/videos/1402305873432738/ - SS Baranowo
https://www.facebook.com/1387619354901390/videos/1398899257106733/ - SS Paprotki
Maps with closed routes will be shared soon.

[Lead]

Can you please upload those videos on youtube? Thanks.

[Hubertos]

Not my videos and I don't have time for that, make a FB account, much faster and easier.

[Hubertos]

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoB0TtNkaLAiGUJGdVaVNoQ2pX_tamKxz no Gorlko, Paprotki and Baranowo

[Mariusz]

Offical maps with road closures (http://kibice.rajdpolski.pl/en/maps/)

[sindroms]

Offical maps with road closures (http://kibice.rajdpolski.pl/en/maps/)

All totally screwed up by such a idiotic road closure.

[MartijnS]

Are there any roads left?? ;)

[Hubertos]

I have to say, that there are some roads, maybe 1 or 2 on every special stage. They are closing roards 3 hours before start, but Baranowo will be closed on 6 p.m at Saturday, be prepared for that. They are checking rally passes only on official accesses to the stages and on spectator areas. You can use google maps to find other routes, but there can be more closed roads than on official maps. Rally fans in Poland are really angry and shamed for this situation. I'll try to help you with acces to the stages. Anyone are planing to attend Rally Poland?

[tommeke_B]

I'm going to attend Rally Poland, Hubertos. All help is welcome. And of course, if possible, I will return the favor and help you if necessary. ;)

[Lead]

To close so many acess roads is brutal for spectators....

[dimviii]

WRC » Rally Poland: Paddon receives top spec Hyundai for Poland

http://www.crash.net/wrc/news/220371/1/paddon-receives-top-spec-hyundai-for-poland.html?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rss

[DoN_cz]

Guys, these "no-go" access roads are for real? I remember that there was quite a lot of them in last year's maps as well, but I don't really remember whether we used them or not.

[sindroms]

Guys, these "no-go" access roads are for real? I remember that there was quite a lot of them in last year's maps as well, but I don't really remember whether we used them or not.

Road closure are for real, no chance. Last year even small roads which were not showed on the official map were closed few km's before stage or even right from the beginning. This year closure maps are more detailed.

[br21]

everyone visiting Rally Poland this year please visit me in service for short chat! PM for details where to find me

[DoN_cz]

Road closure are for real, no chance. Last year even small roads which were not showed on the official map were closed few km's before stage or even right from the beginning. This year closure maps are more detailed.
Strange that I don't remember having any problems with getting into the stages last year - maybe we were lucky and picked the "official" routes. Or we came very early, before the closure was there?

[Hubertos]

You have to know that, SS and routes to the stages were blocked 3 hours before start of the stage. Last year there was less blocked roates than this year.
https://www.youtube.com/user/rajdpolski Officials published movies and photos form spectators areas. I think that is is joke and disgrace for rally fans. This places are weak as hell. But Mr Mahonen will be very pleased because rally will be very safe...

[AL14]

You have to know that, SS and routes to the stages were blocked 3 hours before start of the stage. Last year there was less blocked roates than this year.
https://www.youtube.com/user/rajdpolski Officials published movies and photos form spectators areas. I think that is is joke and disgrace for rally fans. This places are weak as hell. But Mr Mahonen will be very pleased because rally will be very safe...

Is it possible to walk elsewhere?
From my experience in rally sardinia I've learned that spectators areas are the least place I will go to watch a rally: people were 20 meters from the road in a straight after a jonction, even 50-80 meters from the junction. It doesn't make sesne. Luckily it was possible to freely go on other spots where if you stayed away from dangerous places you could enjoy the show.
Will this be the case of Poland? Or will it be like Portugal?

[sindroms]

Is it possible to walk elsewhere?

Last year wasn't problem at all. Marshals didn't care much about it. They didn't allow to be on wrong side of the tapes or fences, of course, but in the same time you could stand wherever you want, just a 20 meters from them.

[Hubertos]

From my experience I know that you can go wherever you want to. Marshalls may do some things to keep you in spectator area, but if you don't walk by road they can't do anything. No one give you a ticket if you won't be in that area. They are checking rally passes only in spectators areas.

[AL14]

Well it seems you are fine then...You just have to avoid spectator zones and walk for some kms more than usual. It is tiring at the end of the day but passion will give you the energy ;)

[Martins Tolks]

Thanks for the thread - provided some much needed information.
About blocked roads - here is the answer from organizers about my question:


Dear Sir,

Thank you for your e-mail and interest in 72nd Rally Poland.

The marked local roads will be closed down due to safety policy and protecting the Rally from unauthorised access.
In this case, they should not be accessed at all.

For the best views, we advise you to buy tickets (prices starting at only 35PLN) and attend the Rally in specially selected spectator zones.

We look forward to see you at the Rally!


With kind regards,
Maciej Ługowski
Spectators' Service Department
LOTOS 72nd Rally Poland






W dniu 2015-06-25 14:32, Mārtiņš Tolks napisał(a):
Hello!
I have question, regarding access roads for special stages. In maps,
published in your website, many roads have marked with "no entry"
sign. It is forbidden to access those roads only by car or also on
foot?

Martin

So guess, will need to play stealth game or get along with provided spectator spots.

[Hubertos]

This is not an official statement, they can't forbid you to attent this places. They are telling that this for safety reasons. F****** bullshit. They have no right to ban this places, they are just making rally easier for them. No people = no problem at all. I think if world rallies will come that way, soon we won't have many people on special stages. Staying in "great" spectator areas is as boring as watching nowadays F1.

[RallyNZ]

WRC » Rally Poland: Paddon receives top spec Hyundai for Poland

http://www.crash.net/wrc/news/220371/1/paddon-receives-top-spec-hyundai-for-poland.html?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rss

A suspension upgrade won't make it a top spec i20. He didn't have the same spec engine as Neuville and Sordo in Sardegna, and now they are getting a camshaft upgrade for even more power.

[jbmarcus21]

Latvala Test Days
http://planetemarcus.com/derniers-reglages-pour-latvala-avant-le-wrc-pologne/

[Criterium]

3D animated maps are available on RallyVista:
http://i18.servimg.com/u/f18/15/38/23/21/prespo10.jpg (http://www.servimg.com/view/15382321/1148)

http://www.interactiveinfluence.com/techali/rallyvista/

[bluuford]

Weather forecast for the rally is tough! It is warm until shakedown and it will be very hot from then on. +30 degrees and a bit more in the shade is forecasted. Another hot rally!. In our climate zone, such temperatures might lead to very rapid and unforecatsted thunderstorms. Usually in the afternoon. I have experienced it a bit further west in Poland. Take a lot of drink and sunshade with you again!

[Martins Tolks]

any news about closed roads and anything?

[AL14]

Paddon will be the one to watch for sure. Do you think he will confirm a top level performance?
I don't think Sardinia was a One Off, I've been convinced of that on saturday when he kept his very good rythm. But at the same time I think that in Poland his expectations are very high and it will be very risky for him. I think it's very unlikeable that he will stay in the road for the whole weekend. I hope to be wrong of course.

What do you think about?

[Martins Tolks]

this year poland has mostly completely new roads, that none of drivers has competed before. there can be many surprises, let's hope positive this time.

btw - there are stages in google earth, but does someone have plain gpx/plt. files for garmin?

[wwbroe]

this year poland has mostly completely new roads, that none of drivers has competed before. there can be many surprises, let's hope positive this time.

btw - there are stages in google earth, but does someone have plain gpx/plt. files for garmin?

If you send me PM before this evening i might be able to help you, but i am leaving for Poland tomorrow very early. ;)

[Muchonen]

Just a little hint boys. Check stages on googlemaps and look for other roads into stages cause I can tell you that these are not all of them and surely there are many other opened. Or buy precise maps on petrol stations and do it an old school way :) Happily that's not my problem cause I chose 'tent' way and sleeping in the forest. See you on stages :)

[EstWRC]

Paddon will be the one to watch for sure. Do you think he will confirm a top level performance?
I don't think Sardinia was a One Off, I've been convinced of that on saturday when he kept his very good rythm. But at the same time I think that in Poland his expectations are very high and it will be very risky for him. I think it's very unlikeable that he will stay in the road for the whole weekend. I hope to be wrong of course.

What do you think about?

i dont think too that it was just a one off. His Saturday performance in Sardinia was very impressive. But yeah, he may be too confident now and push a little too much. i think Mikkelsen and Tänak will be very strong here. Tänak won in WRC2 last year here and in Sardinia on the faster stages he showed TOP3 times and was quickest on the fastest stage of the rally and he likes these fast rallies. So, i hope to see Paddon-like performance here from Tänak but theres always something against him, the car breaking down or the starting position or whatever.

[AL14]

Tanak has not been the luckiest one indeed but I think he has his faults even if he has paid too much for them. He seems determined this time. Let's hope for a good outcome.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Hayden Paddon: “Yes, our good result in Sardinia gives us more confidence and people maybe expect more from us now, but we won’t get carried away. Our plan and approach remains the same, taking each event as it comes.”

Sounds pretty level-headed to me and the last thing he will want is to go off early and people to say Sardinia was a fluke.

[bluuford]

Starting behind is not much benefit in Poland, roads get very easily rutted there and you have to use the ruts.

And it is not fully new stages.

Powerstage (ss18,19 - whole Sunday) is almost the same stage as last year, partly shakedown),
SS1, 9, 17 is the same arena.
Almost the same is SS4,6,
Nearly 50% the same is Ss3, 8, 11, 15.
New and very difficult stage will be 5,7, it is 39 km long and this is among the favourite places in Poland, nearly no forrest, small hills and lakes. I drive through this region at least once every year:-)

[dimviii]

new spec i20 for Sordo

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CIxIxv2WoAAFw6l.jpg

[bluuford]

new spec i20 for Sordo

I told you that there will be big ruts in some stages.. ride height is pretty impressive ;-)

[KiwiWRCfan]

Nasser also looking for increased ride height

[liposh]

Is it Zetor in the picture with Nasser? Or is it URSUS which is in fact copy of Zetor? Zetor is the best tractor brand in the entire world, it is without any doubt. :)

[pantealex]

Is it Zetor in the picture with Nasser? Or is it URSUS which is in fact copy of Zetor? Zetor is the best tractor brand in the entire world, it is without any doubt. :)

World Champions drive Valtra (Vatanen, Kankkkunen, Mäkinen, Grönholm ...)

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Nice comment & photo by Hayden Paddon today:

' The roads here in Poland are the fastest in the WRC and we LOVE THEM !!!

And of the 2086 corners we noted - 1125 are flat!! ' :eek:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CI1sKHIXAAA0wuC.jpg:large

[EstWRC]

Hell yes, i love these kind of rallies!!! :D...shakedown in a couple of hours!

[EstWRC]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CI456noWoAA5Ovw.png:large

[EstWRC]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CI490AGUwAA22JM.jpg:large

[thuGG]

http://kibicrajdowy.pl/files/CI5CuKJWEAA07RA.jpg


EDIT:
http://kibicrajdowy.pl/files/CI5D4WPWgAETVbb.jpg

[thuGG]

http://kibicrajdowy.pl/files/11009148_860047184084215_2516310625120776433_n.jpg

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CI5NIVgWoAE3Jnw.jpg

[Mirek]

Test Tidemand: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMz8N5GWea8
Test Lappi: https://youtu.be/VlRS99QOSZ8

[AMSS]

Looks like Michelin reads motorsportforums threads... :) http://en.best-of-rallylive.com/News/Rally-Poland-WRC-new-Michelin-WRC2-tyres

[EstWRC]

Meeke has crashed in first corner one of our user is saying in estonian forum.

[dimviii]

Meeke has crashed in first corner one of our user is saying in estonian forum.

confirmed

Citroën Racing ‏@CitroenRacing
#WRC @krismeeke and @paulnagle1 went off the road. Both are ok! More to follow...

[EstWRC]

yep, rolled 5 times.

[MartijnS]

https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/t31.0-8/11228938_10200697639839729_6283791485649656402_o.j pg

https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpt1/t31.0-8/11705768_10200697640039734_3640805139937644520_o.j pg

[liposh]

Looks like Michelin reads motorsportforums threads... :) http://en.best-of-rallylive.com/News/Rally-Poland-WRC-new-Michelin-WRC2-tyres

"These tyres were originally supposed to have been available for the first time in Finland but the French firm pulled out all the stops to have them in Poland for its most loyal WRC2 partners, like Nasser Al-Attiyah, Pontus Tidemand, Esapekka Lappi and Stéphane Lefebvre."

...I don´t know whether to laugh or cry. It sounds like: "If there would be no factory and one billionaire we will not move our asses, but because they pay us a lot, finally we decided to do something to shut their mouths. " :D

And moreover it sounds like Animal farm from George Orwell. All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.

[EstWRC]

WRC2
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CI5f_55WUAAFLPg.png

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Today's not a 'happy birthday' for Meeke then ! :(

[N.O.T]

Today's not a 'happy birthday' for Meeke then ! :(

why ? because his mechanics will work overtime ?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

‏@krismeeke : I might as well get this out of the way before the action starts.. “Happy Birthday to me.. Happy Birthday to me !”

https://twitter.com/krismeeke/status/616484035557261312

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CI5iLZ2UsAAQOUE.jpg

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CI5imynWwAAwVuD.jpg

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Meeke roll video:

https://www.facebook.com/WRC.News.1/videos/vb.111548942199383/997684376919164/?type=2&theater

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Final SD times:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CI5nZpzWUAATRGO.jpg

[makinen_fan]

Another angle

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RB23oHLvxNk

[Rallyper]

Looks like quite smooth roll, if you could talk about smoth crashing in well over 100 km/h. But nothin heavy standing in the way for the bodyshell so to speak.

[AL14]

People afraid of spectator zones should be afraid indeed. They're like 50/80 metres from the road and not even outside the corner. That's not rally.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

FIA inspection passed on Meeke's roll-cage and he is ok to compete ! :)

[MartijnS]

People afraid of spectator zones should be afraid indeed. They're like 50/80 metres from the road and not even outside the corner. That's not rally.

Ah! Like here? ;)

https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xft1/t31.0-8/11698795_1459199687712588_991027062170809464_o.jpg

[dimviii]

Ah! Like here? ;)


no,lke here.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CI56sXLUcAAJt_C.jpg

[dimviii]

FIA inspection passed on Meeke's roll-cage and he is ok to compete ! :)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CI6Apo6WIAA50Es.jpg

[dimviii]

Abbrings new helmet
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CI5xdMKWwAADJNE.jpg

shake pics
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CI5wefFXAAAHkti.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CI5weCiXAAAeuq-.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CI5wfAxWIAAZUAJ.jpg

more
https://www.flickr.com/photos/bestofrallylive/sets/72157654894137319

[AL14]

no,lke here.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CI56sXLUcAAJt_C.jpg

LOL, that's "too much" rally :)

Joking apart. I wonder why it's so difficult to care about spectators keeping them far from danger outside the corners or near ditches etc... without being schizophrenic with safety.

[dimviii]

borl shake video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1JTGpqB2yo&feature=youtu.be

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Was quite a bit of damage to Meeke's car, but most of it superficial ...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CI53lZzXAAEw9VV.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CI53lZ5WwAAk1nN.jpg

Fix well underway...
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CI6k0ccWEAArq_X.jpg:large

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Ceremonial start is live...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CI6iVUaW8AAtAv_.jpg:large

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CI6g08RWsAAP66f.jpg:large

[Fast Eddie WRC]

SSS Start list:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CI6iWpOWcAIcWhM.jpg

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Dusty road conditions could be interesting...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CI6oQkkUYAAnckt.jpg:large

[D1sCo]

Any stream for SS1 besides the official link? :D thanks.

[EightGear]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jh1XlG3LATQ

Meeke's crash. He really couldn't do anything about it. I like how their words are not censored.

[dimviii]

Loubet had an accident at shakedown.

http://www.ewrc-results.com/quickp/19125_ci5vdpexaaarpdu.jpg

[jarauto2]

Any stream for SS1 besides the official link? :D thanks. http://www.vipleague.me/motorsports/312636/1/fia-world-rally-championship---mikolajki,-poland-(stage-1)-live-stream-online.html

[Fast Eddie WRC]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jh1XlG3LATQ

Meeke's crash. He really couldn't do anything about it. I like how their words are not censored.

Funny that... 'WTF happened there !!' :D

[dimviii]

VolkswagenMotorsport ‏@VolkswagenRally
Service park exit time 4 @AMikkelsenRally. Safely stored in Ola Floene's personal notepad. #VolkswagenMotorsport

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CI7bGBxW8AARquh.jpg

[EstWRC]

so, tomorrow the real rally begins, cant wait and it seems the drivers cant too. Tänak has to deliver finally, shakedown was very good! see you in the morning!

[bluuford]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jh1XlG3LATQ

Meeke's crash. He really couldn't do anything about it. I like how their words are not censored.

The are those big ruts in sandy section. So, first on road you have a bit of gravel but when you enter such ruts a bit wrong, you end up like Meeke.

[dimviii]

The are those big ruts in sandy section. So, first on road you have a bit of gravel but when you enter such ruts a bit wrong, you end up like Meeke.

wasn t a rock bluuford? or clip the edge? due to camera position at co drivers side ,couldnt understant what gone wrong

[dimviii]

lololol

Kris and his co-driver Paul Nagle took the event’s ceremonial start – but not in their car, as they walked over the ramp

http://www.krismeeke.com/news/2015-07-02-dramatic-day-for-kris-in-poland

[N.O.T]

lololol

Kris and his co-driver Paul Nagle took the event’s ceremonial start – but not in their car, as they walked over the ramp

http://www.krismeeke.com/news/2015-07-02-dramatic-day-for-kris-in-poland

i think this has happened before with Solberg in Germany some years back and i think he also finished on podium that year but i might be wrong.

[N.O.T]

it was 2006, he walked on the ramp but he did not finish on podium.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/53815

[dimviii]

photo from Andre Lavadinho

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CI73i3DUkAAXbYk.jpg

[bluuford]

wasn t a rock bluuford? or clip the edge? due to camera position at co drivers side ,couldnt understant what gone wrong
I was looking high res onboard several times and there were just a few meters of ruts. So, he hit those in wrong angle and when the ruts ended and more solid surface started... bang and car was in the air already! They are slightly visible. The same stage was used last year and probably there were some holes already. These were filled but for some reason, this hole was rutted again and sandy surface came out again.

[dimviii]

lololol

Kris and his co-driver Paul Nagle took the event’s ceremonial start – but not in their car, as they walked over the ramp


https://www.flickr.com/photos/bestofrallylive/19349705362/

[dimviii]

photos

http://www.rally-mania.cz/photogallery.php?id=1369

http://www.rally-mania.cz/photogallery.php?id=1370

[AL14]

i think this has happened before with Solberg in Germany some years back and i think he also finished on podium that year but i might be wrong.

It happened to Neuville in Germany last year and he did win.

[RS]

So are the roads in Poland really as fast as or faster than Finland?

[bluuford]

I was looking onboard again and it seems that right hand rut ends before the left ends, so, right han rut ends, lifts right hand side and puts more weight to the left, just a fraction later, left hand wheels reach to the end of the rut and get major hit with extra weight that lifts the car on its side and following roll.

[danon]

Looking at the footprint on the pics it looks like the second compression on something that looks like a rock/stone flipped the car over - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jh1XlG3LATQ

http://s11.postimg.org/skqtnvwgz/p1_F.jpg

http://s9.postimg.org/yn8dyjffj/p2_F.jpg

http://s8.postimg.org/rw0uf8j8l/p3_F.jpg

[janvanvurpa]

The are those big ruts in sandy section. So, first on road you have a bit of gravel but when you enter such ruts a bit wrong, you end up like Meeke.

Yepp... In my sport, moto-cross, when we had made the suspension longer and longer from '73 to 77 when we got to 300mm and everything was right, life was good, but sometime when things went wrong it was much more "surprisingly catastrophic" and clumsy crashes that we wouldn't have had at all when suspension was just 175-200mm.
So much more plung--and unbalanced that front could be WAY WAY down and back extended and just a little nudge and we might be suddenly spat off the bike.. I remember more than a few "wot da fuq?" and lots of bandages..

Always thought it was interesting that car suspension was so consistently about 30 years behind what we had on simple cheap moto-cross bikes..

[N.O.T]

too much analysis on a stupid accident that doesn't mean anything.... move along kids nothing to see here.

[GigiGalliNo1]

Some of my photos

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[GigiGalliNo1]

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[dimviii]

130km/h average for Ogier at ss1

[dimviii]

MICHELIN Motorsport ‏@michelin_sport
#tyres information: All #WRC drivers with 5 LTX Force S4 except Abbring & Paddon with 6S #wrc #RallyPoland

[dimviii]

#Tyres information: WRC2: Skoda/Al-Attiyah/Lefebvre: 5 #Michelin Latitude Cross S80
Koci: 6 S80
#RallyPoland

[EstWRC]

Tänak stuck between 2 gears in the beginning of the stage, dman gearbox again!

[jonkka]

Tänak stuck between 2 gears in the beginning of the stage, dman gearbox again!

Oh? Yet second fastest and only 0,5 s from Mikkelsen

[EstWRC]

yes, i think he would have won the stage but still very good. i hope the problem wont come again :)

[WRC1]

oh! lot of drama already in first real stage in wrc2! nasser is out and ketomee with puncture...

[eib1]

Nasser
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CI-GPiHUkAAGkZT.jpg

[EstWRC]

Average speed 131.1km/h on first stage

[sindroms]

Average speed 131.1km/h on first stage

In recce onboard that stage seemed like endless meaningless straight. Wondering where Nasser found place to crash...

[Mirek]

Average speed 131 would be way too low for an endless straight :p In fact it's not so crazy high average speed. Maybe the onboard was taken with wide-angle camera which "straighten" the turns?

[sindroms]

Average speed 131 would be way too low for an endless straight :p In fact it's not so crazy high average speed. Maybe the onboard was taken with wide-angle camera which "straighten" the turns?

I agree. Onboards always straightens and flattens the road. SS2 and SS13 (opposite direction of SS2) seemed most boring stages to me, lets say so :)

[jonkka]

Ostberg seems again to start the rally by dropping as low as he can...

[sindroms]

Btw, my money is on Mikkelsen for this event. Last year he was most impressive driver on these roads. VW is most powerfull car still, he has equal car with others VW guys and he is in a good mood now due to new contract.

[jonkka]

Good mode or good mood?

[sindroms]

Good mode or good mood?

Sorry, my mistake :)

[6789]

My money (literally) is on Mikkelsen. Long way to go..

[AL14]

I think both. :)

He can win indeed but I think soon or later Ogier will take all the gap back.
Good job so far btw.

[jonkka]

Tanak's gonna take lead? :eek:

[EstWRC]

Tänak with brake problems but fastest, damn Fiesta!!!!

[AL14]

Nice splits by Tanak. EstWRC should be happy :)

[EstWRC]

im happy but worried, first stage gearbox and now brakes :(

[jonkka]

And Tanak takes lead!

[Doon]

I'm glad I picked a VW 1-2-3 in the pickems.

[giù tutto!]

Yesterday one thing caught my eye at the SSS: Acceleration from the starting line. All the Hyundais were slower to the first braking point and VWs beat the Fords. About the Citroen...hmm...little bit difficult to say...

[sindroms]

And Tanak takes lead!

These kinds of roads are natural for him. I don't believe in Fiesta reliability unfortunately...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Great to see Tanak challenge the VWs... :)

[jonkka]

These kinds of roads are natural for him. I don't believe in Fiesta reliability unfortunately...

Only time will tell but I am bit skeptic about the reliability as well

[EstWRC]

one of the smoothest rallies and the fiesta still starts to break down, unbelievable

[EstWRC]

Luckily it seems that nothing serious

Ott Tänak Fanpage
Just now ·
A good stage, nice to drive, Just a strange feeling with the brakes but ok

[Mirek]

Seems like Lefebvre finally found the speed. The known stages of Ypres worked for his confidence.

[dimviii]

Seems like Lefebvre finally found the speed. The known stages of Ypres worked for his confidence.

Lefebvre found,Abbring lost.

[makinen_fan]

Lefebvre found,Abbring lost.

Dont forget it is only his 2nd rally with a WRC car. Hopefully he will improve later on in the rally.

[dimviii]

Dont forget it is only his 2nd rally with a WRC car. Hopefully he will improve later on in the rally.

yes thats right,just mention it.
Ostberg,Neuville very average.
Paddon nice pace.

[Mirek]

Kruuda even faster than Lappi.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Tanak up on Split 1...

And wins SS4... :)

[EstWRC]

Wilson and other people just give him more time and he will be like that on every rally, great performance so far :)

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Al-Attiyah
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CI-l8F3UwAAen_A.jpg:large

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Wilson and other people just give him more time and he will be like that on every rally, great performance so far :)

'I am quite flat out, it is nice, the car is just perfect. The instruction was to let the other guys know we are here for the second half of the season...' :D

[dimviii]

Lefebvre slow at ss4
: I make one big mistake in the middle of the stage. I take one corner flat and it was not flat.


where are you guys?no interest about the rally? http://www.petrolheads.gr/images/smilies/oldforum/frown.gif

[Mintexmemory]

Lefebvre slow at ss4
: I make one big mistake in the middle of the stage. I take one corner flat and it was not flat.


where are you guys?no interest about the rally? http://www.petrolheads.gr/images/smilies/oldforum/frown.gif

Some of us have jobs to do you know - I mean REAL work!

[EstWRC]

working maybe?

[jonkka]

Lefebvre slow at ss4
: I make one big mistake in the middle of the stage. I take one corner flat and it was not flat.


where are you guys?no interest about the rally? http://www.petrolheads.gr/images/smilies/oldforum/frown.gif

Not interested in WRC2.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

where are you guys?no interest about the rally? http://www.petrolheads.gr/images/smilies/oldforum/frown.gif

I'm here, loving the rally now the Ford & Tanak is showing some speed !

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CI-uYQzWEAAJ7dT.jpg:large

[makinen_fan]

Lappi is faster than Prokop and Abbring! Just 0.9s/km slower from Tanak

[jarauto2]

Don't You guys think that splits are working superb this time?

[jonkka]

Don't You guys think that splits are working superb this time?

Perhaps better than on average but not spectacularly...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Don't You guys think that splits are working superb this time?

Yes WRC.com is pretty good - glad about that as the VW site not working for me ...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Nice...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CI-xrwCXAAEchww.jpg:large

[WRC1]

Don't You guys think that splits are working superb this time?

not for östberg :) he is incredible slow...

[N.O.T]

Nice...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CI-xrwCXAAEchww.jpg:large

what level of retardation must someone have to take a pic like that ? why did he bother going to Poland one of the fastest rallies to get a picture of some flowers and a car passing on a straight line... incompetence at maximum level.

[Doon]

No splits for Tanak, but he's suddenly appeared in the middle of the stage on the live map!

[Doon]

what level of retardation must someone have to take a pic like that ? why did he bother going to Poland one of the fastest rallies to get a picture of some flowers and a car passing on a straight line... incompetence at maximum level.

Brilliant photo!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

So annoying no splits for OT... :(

YES, a split -7.2s !! :)

[dimviii]

Tanak 7,2 sec faster from Ogier at split 3!

[jonkka]

So annoying no splits for OT... :(

Keeps the suspense on until the end, real old-school stuff... :D

[dimviii]

iRally ‏@Official_iRally 2 λεπτάΠριν από 2 λεπτά Προβολή μετάφρασης
Tanak's fourth split is in, he's 7.9 up on Ogier and 5.7 quicker than Mikkelsen! #iRally #WRC #RallyPoland

[dimviii]

Tanak's final split is in, he's still 5.9 quicker than Ogier and 3.8 quicker than Mikkelsen #iRally #WRC #RallyPoland

[Doon]

He's probably catching Prokop's dust trail. He lost a bit in the 5th split.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

4.4s up Tanak wins !

[Ucci]

what level of retardation must someone have to take a pic like that ? why did he bother going to Poland one of the fastest rallies to get a picture of some flowers and a car passing on a straight line... incompetence at maximum level.

You need serious mental help....

[Mintexmemory]

You need serious mental help....

Nah - just put him in a padded cell, shove some food in 3 times a day, and lose the key!

[N.O.T]

if you guys want flower pictures go watch a wedding or something... don't bother with motorsports.

[dimviii]

Colin Clark ‏@voiceofrally
Problems for @SLefebvreRallye at the end of SS4. High speed off and radiator damage

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CI-5LRBWsAA18f0.jpg

[EstWRC]

Tänak with completely destroyed front tires at the end of the first loop because he is having only front brakes sometimes. Pleas please please Fiesta hold it together for the second loop

[MartijnS]

https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xat1/t31.0-8/11700976_719268564866457_4082765541232227706_o.jpg

;)

[dimviii]

no service for whole 1st day?

[jonkka]

Nope, just tyre fitting zone.

[N.O.T]

https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xat1/t31.0-8/11700976_719268564866457_4082765541232227706_o.jpg

;)

needs more flowers... pity the car and the dust ruins the setting.

[Mintexmemory]

https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xat1/t31.0-8/11700976_719268564866457_4082765541232227706_o.jpg

;)


rotflmao !!

[Ucci]

On the longest stage Kubica faster than Sordo, Evans, Paddon and Ostberg...Fiesta still in one piece.....well, not bad start of the day.

[Mirek]

And Lappi behind Ostberg and Sordo... (we are still waiting for Kruuda).

[DonJippo]

Nice...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CI-xrwCXAAEchww.jpg:large

Really nice.

[dimviii]

Citroën Racing ‏@CitroenRacing
#WRC picnic & tyre choice debrief @krismeeke @MadsOstberg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CI_CQZrWUAAJI96.jpg

[dimviii]

http://www.rallye-magazin.de/typo3temp/yag-galleries/28/80/Rallye_Polen_2015_018_288030_55952b414.jpg
http://www.rallye-magazin.de/typo3temp/yag-galleries/28/91/Rallye_Polen_2015_057_289177_5596321ef.jpg
http://www.rallye-magazin.de/typo3temp/yag-galleries/28/80/Rallye_Polen_2015_015_288014_55952b3fa.jpg

[Mirek]

In the moment all four Škodas which started into the rally are now in top 5 WRC2 (1. Lappi, 3. Tidemand, 4. Suninen, 5. Kremer).

[dimviii]

Koci out of road,Kruuda slower from Lappi,faster from Tidemand at ss5

[Fast Eddie WRC]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CI_L364WUAAsB2f.jpg:large

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Koci out of road :(

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CI_Ea9kXAAAxFx6.jpg:large

[Fast Eddie WRC]

This pic plain enough for someone ... ;)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CI_A_AqUwAAmQ6E.jpg:large

[dimviii]

Kevin Abbring ‏@KevinAbbring
Big learning curve but a productive & enjoyable morning. Working on notes & a few small issues to solve. @HyundaiWRC
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CI_LZDNVEAAbCB2.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CI_QEyHUkAELeak.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CI_O2fgWUAArcWr.jpg

[dimviii]

Nasser incar
https://youtu.be/LNFJbMXJTkQ

[RS]

In the moment all four Škodas which started into the rally are now in top 5 WRC2 (1. Lappi, 3. Tidemand, 4. Suninen, 5. Kremer).

The top speed advantage on the R5 is showing itself this time. Maybe they need a shorter gearbox for the other rallies?

[N.O.T]

This pic plain enough for someone ... ;)


i found an even better one

http://i.imgur.com/mrpThHF.jpg

[Mirek]

The top speed advantage on the R5 is showing itself this time. Maybe they need a shorter gearbox for the other rallies?

Suninen is with the S2000 though.

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CI_MF-rW8AAnf0l.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CI7-nMTUwAAw2aY.jpg

[dimviii]

Ogier faster 10sec from 1st pass

[Mirek]

Nasser incar
https://youtu.be/LNFJbMXJTkQ

Strange, it looks like the suspension just collapsed itself on the jump. Maybe he hit something before.

[dimviii]

Reports coming in that Mikkelsen had a small off on SS6 #iRally #WRC #RallyPoland

[RS]

Suninen is with the S2000 though.

I know, but didn't S2000 have quite a long gearbox too? I'm not saying it is all down to the top speed but this is certainly the R5's most convincing performance so far.

[dimviii]

Strange, it looks like the suspension just collapsed itself on the jump. Maybe he hit something before.

yes its strange that we didnt see at video a hard impact



edit
@AMikkelsenRally 7:06.1 'We went into the field, trying to get back onto the road, spectators are stood in bad positions

[dimviii]

I know, but didn't S2000 have quite a long gearbox too? I'm not saying it is all down to the top speed but this is certainly the R5's most convincing performance so far.
no serious competition from rrc /s2000 cars.Even Nasser would be slower at these kinds of roads against Lappi Kruuda Tidemand

[Mirek]

I know, but didn't S2000 have quite a long gearbox too? I'm not saying it is all down to the top speed but this is certainly the R5's most convincing performance so far.

Fabia S2000 long gearbox has top speed about 190 km/h. The R5 circa 195 km/h. 208 T16 with long gearbox has little over 200 km/h, Citroën shall be probably similar. Fiesta R5 has top speed little bellow 190 with long gearbox. For RRC cars it's possible to use whole WRC gear range. If they are all with long gearboxes they have no big differences between themselves.

[dimviii]

Tanak's opening split is 1.8s SLOWER than Ogier, and 0.4 slower than Mikkelsen! #iRally #WRC #RallyPoland


MICHELIN Motorsport ‏@michelin_sport
#tyres information 1/2: Meeke: 5 LTX ForceS4 - Ostberg:4S+2H - Ogier: 4S+1H - Latvala/Mikkelsen: 3S+2H
Evans:5S - Tanak: 6S - Sordo: 4S+2H
Paddon: 4H+2S - Neuville: 4S+1H
Abbring: 4H+2S
WRC2: Skoda: 4h90 +1S80
Lefebvre: 5S80

[irish_tiger]

This pic plain enough for someone ... ;)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CI_A_AqUwAAmQ6E.jpg:large

You better ask a more seasoned photo critic ......N.O.T what do you think of it ?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Ott Tänak at Tyre Zone:

"It's been a really enjoyable morning. The stages are so fast and really good fun to drive. In places I've actually been pushing quite hard just because I love it so much!

"We've had quite a few issues with the brakes. On the second half of the long stage [SS5] we only had the front brakes and no brakes at all in some corners! It was a bit challenging but I really want to keep the speed up and we are looking to manage the situation.

"Luckily this is a fast rally so you don't need to use the brakes too much. We'll just keep it flat ..." :)

[EstWRC]

interesting tyre choice for Tänak.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

interesting tyre choice for Tänak.

SS6: TANAK
"Now the tyres are getting really hot, we have to try and manage them, but it's still good." :)

[jacko]

Great time Kubica! On the second loop (with minumum differences on road-surface), with everybody maximum attack to be faster than anybody except Ogier is really good on maybe the fastest rally of the season. That shows really something that you can drive with the best outthere. I know some people here on the forum are blind about his performances and will always be negative but for me he's definitly his place worth in the WRC.
And so far another good performances by Paddon (compare to Neuville and Sordo) and offcorse Tanak, he's for sure the faster driver than Evans who looks to me is standing a bit still in his progression.

[dimviii]

Kubi is on Pirellis,we have to think it.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Video SS2 - SS5: https://youtu.be/m6XN8g5KbXQ

[dominik_r]

Kubi is on Pirellis,we have to think it.

You're right but private fiesta isn't top wrc i think..

[jonkka]

Ogier up to 2nd o/a... :(

[dimviii]

You're right but private fiesta isn't top wrc i think..

sometimes tyres (type/brand)can make much more difference than works/semiwork car.
We dont know if Pirellis are better at this rally,but we have to keep it in mind.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Sounds like a lot of tyres are destroyed already... could be the high temperatures adding to the problem...

Evans lost a chunk of time. What happened? "We went off. No grip whatsoever and I couldn't stop. Not good."

Meeke- 'Wrong choice. I'm haemorrhaging time all the way through, it's hard.'

Neuville - 'I drove very, very smooth cause of the tyres. I felt like I had no tyre left & tried to manage.'

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Tanak closest to Ogier at 1st split ... but losing more now...

Paddon moving up with good tyre management.

[jarauto2]

... and 6th on the 2nd split...

[dimviii]

Paddon seems had the right choice (4 hards).

[jonkka]

Tanak missing a split

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Tanak's tyres finished and down to 3rd O/A ... :(

[EstWRC]

no brakes for Tänak, every stage he has had a problem and in the end of the day its still VW 1-2-3.

[jonkka]

Oh well... Time to stop watching and starting to get drunk then...

[Mirek]

Oh well... Time to stop watching and starting to get drunk then...

Somehow my colleagues probably expected that when they planned a garden party for tomorrow :-)

[EstWRC]

you are giving up so easily, theres still two days ahead and i hope that tomorrow Tänak's car doesnt break down. Ogier has to clean tomorrow too.

[jonkka]

Somehow my colleagues probably expected that when they planned a garden party for tomorrow :-)

Nice, have fun!

[jonkka]

you are giving up so easily, theres still two days ahead and i hope that tomorrow Tänak's car doesnt break down. Ogier has to clean tomorrow too.

Maybe I am but I'm starting to lose interest in the Sebastien-championship.

[dimviii]

Gary Boyd ‏@KiwiWRCfan
Ott Tanak's performance today of 3 stage wins and leading the rally for 4 stages is the most dominant by an MSport driver since France 2013

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Ostberg finally woke-up ?? ;)

[dimviii]

Slow but spectacular.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CI_5S2bUcAE6QXL.jpg

[Fast Eddie WRC]

SS7 Fiesta R5 driver Raczkowski out

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CI_wzatUsAES5UX.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CI_w-n8WwAA1E1p.jpg

[dimviii]

Meeke has had an off into one of the fields on SS8! Back on track though

[N.O.T]

Slow but spectacular.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CI_5S2bUcAE6QXL.jpg

needs more water and some flowers....

[MartijnS]

And a straight horizon..

[Fast Eddie WRC]

S8: MEEKE
Lucky to escape an off-road moment. "We went off into a field. Completely no grip. The left rear was letting go everywhere..."

[EstWRC]

Tänak in estonian: "we will fight back tomorrow, had brake issues all day, got worse and worse with every stage"

[Fast Eddie WRC]

needs more water and some flowers....

Enjoy

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CI6oQkkUYAAnckt.jpg:large

[dimviii]

needs more water and some flowers....

grass is ok?
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CI_7lHBWcAECKSe.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CI_7k9PWEAA2DlM.jpg

[Fast Eddie WRC]

SS8: TANAK "Ninth fastest and he drops to fourth. His tyres are worn down to the canvas in places. With this and his brake problems, he is very disappointed.''

Me too. :(

[EstWRC]

heh, me too but a long way to go and if he keeps the speed tomorrow morning as today morning then he will be in the lead again.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

grass is ok?
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CI_7lHBWcAECKSe.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CI_7k9PWEAA2DlM.jpg

Same photographer.. BORL ;)

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/359/19189038280_f9aa3a0b74_z.jpg

[Mirek]

Lefebvre seems to be out....

[dimviii]

Also Kruuda lost 1min 13 sec at previous the long one.

[Mirek]

Lefebvre engine.

[dimviii]

Lefebvre engine.

yeap low oil pressure.

[Sulland]

Testing short wheelbase 😎


Al-Attiyah
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CI-l8F3UwAAen_A.jpg:large

[Fast Eddie WRC]

From this vid on SS2 you can see how much the dust and gravel reduces as more cars pass... quite a bit less by the time Tanak & Kubica go through.

https://youtu.be/Ath8ctYnN7c