Rally Sweden 2015

[Negaiss]

So, who is going to take the Power Stage? What's your guess?

Ogier, Latvala, Mikkelsen

[Tom206wrc]

Picture of Mads Östberg off.
Photo: Lars Blondell


There seems not to be a lot of damage :confused:

[dupanton]

Solowow off

[WUff1]

Always the same moanings of JML: "I should have realised this earlier. It is a new car, but unfortunately it does not work like this. Also, I have been playing with different things. Things that working in the old car, do not work in the new car."

He´ll never be a champion ...

[KKS]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B938nJvCUAEjpK_.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B936TdcCYAEZGhr.jpg

[KKS]

So SS19 is on ;)

I hope Lefèbvre will manage to pass Ählin for the symbolic podium in WRC2(even if not registered)...that would be a fantastic result for a premiere in Sweden :D
and he retired on SS19

[jparker]

I see on Live Maps TN rushing to get on time for next stage. It looks they have been busy fixing this intercom thing.

[HaCo]

I see on Live Maps TN rushing to get on time for next stage. It looks they have been busy fixing this intercom thing.

Hope he is in time!

Now Meeke is faster than Evans. Last stage decision between the 2.

[Tom206wrc]

Crash for Stéphane Lefèbvre too in SS19 :confused:

[6789]

Andreas 0.7 sec slower at split 1

[KKS]

According to WRR stage was filming by TV, but not streaming or in wrc+ or any other TV.... shame to WRC promouter

[6789]

According to WRR stage was filming by TV, but not streaming or in wrc+ or any other TV.... shame to WRC promouter

Yeah doesn't make any sense. Same as the repeated stage from yesterday

[6789]

Andreas 2.7 down at split 2 :(

[HaCo]

Andreas 2.7 down at split 2 :(

It would be an embarrassment for Ogier not to win this.

[6789]

It would be an embarrassment for Ogier not to win this.

3 secs in it going into last stage!

[HaCo]

Evans and Meeke not far from Paddon either.

[KKS]

TN drops to 3rd. +4.6 to lead... I think it end on that position :(

[dupanton]

What a battle! 4.6s separating first 3 cars in final stage...
Anything can happen in the final stage!

[KKS]

Ahlin in trouble

[ELPE]

Ahlin in trouble

he touched the wrong button and did not see which gear was in, then he had no moment in the engine and left the road

[KKS]

Anybody see road condition after 1st passage?

[rallyfiend]

Yeah doesn't make any sense. Same as the repeated stage from yesterday

Apparently they had to dismantle everything to move it to today's stage during the gap so no repeat coverage of Colin's Crest.

I guess they use the first pass as a reharsal?

[dupanton]

Apparently they had to dismantle everything to move it to today's stage during the gap so no repeat coverage of Colin's Crest.

I guess they use the first pass as a reharsal?

Few years ago a LOCAL swedish TV channel could broadcast (almost) all the WRC Sweden stages live. Why on earth wouldn't an organisation like WRC be able to broadcast 2 stages/day...

[COD]

Always the same moanings of JML: "I should have realised this earlier. It is a new car, but unfortunately it does not work like this. Also, I have been playing with different things. Things that working in the old car, do not work in the new car."

He´ll never be a champion ...

Yes, my thoughts exatly. He is a pro in pro team. What are they doing in tests, if not trying how changes affect the car?

[rallyfiend]

Few years ago a LOCAL swedish TV channel could broadcast (almost) all the WRC Sweden stages live. Why on earth wouldn't an organisation like WRC be able to broadcast 2 stages/day...

A local TV station is doing it to a quality standard that they're happy with, whereas WRC has to do it to a standard that all their broadcasters are happy with.

[Sulland]

Mads out, where is Citroen from their glory years?

Hard to deny, looking at MC 2015 that the car is ok, and the factorydrivers struggle to get the best out of it!

[skarderud]

A local TV station is doing it to a quality standard that they're happy with, whereas WRC has to do it to a standard that all their broadcasters are happy with.
It wasnt just a local tv station, it was svt, the swedish state television.

[dupanton]

A local TV station is doing it to a quality standard that they're happy with, whereas WRC has to do it to a standard that all their broadcasters are happy with.

Broadcast was about the same, but without the onboard footage.

[KKS]

A local TV station is doing it to a quality standard that they're happy with, whereas WRC has to do it to a standard that all their broadcasters are happy with.

Streaming in 480p 2 stages it's better than one in 720p

[Jef Pauly]

A local TV station is doing it to a quality standard that they're happy with, whereas WRC has to do it to a standard that all their broadcasters are happy with.

That is a lame excuse if I've seen any. WRC 'quality' standards are s**t if you ask me, most of the time the audio balance between the commentators and cars levels is so bad that the speech is completely drowned out, their cameras fail constantly. There's no extra on screen information provided - ever, besides timing, as my wife - who's trying to develop an interest in the sport rightfully pointed out : no (current/top/avg) speed, no metrics on the car or the driver, no inboard footage of the driver's footwork. It's basic to the extra fullest.
And let's not even talk about their choices on which stages to broadcast. This rally was a prime example: 21 stages to choose from, and out of the mere 3 they gracefully give us wrc+ subscribers, they include SS1 - which is frankly the most boring "rally" stage I've ever seen. Frankly, their work verges on amateurish most often than not. So much about that quality standard.

[KKS]

Feel the atmosphere https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMo3BeTEJq0

[KKS]

Stage condition after 1st pass
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B94OLgjIgAAFmC-.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B94OLh-IMAADv9I.jpg

[jparker]

Well, WRC+ is out there to make money, not to please us, and that's wrong.
If they invest enough money to do better service, they will get them back easily.
I don't believe they don't know that, so it's strange why they don't do it. No cash? I don't know.
Have you seen the WRC @ YouTube? They are using it to show Google Ads to earn some extra $$$, and that's just pathetic.

[mousti]

A local TV station is doing it to a quality standard that they're happy with, whereas WRC has to do it to a standard that all their broadcasters are happy with.

I'm by far not happy that onboard quality is degraded to s***. So they failing :).

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[MTA]

Kolla in @rallyfoto_se's tweet: https://twitter.com/rallyfoto_se/status/566905808592859136?s=09


Solowov

[HaCo]

Kolla in @rallyfoto_se's tweet: https://twitter.com/rallyfoto_se/status/566905808592859136?s=09


Solowov

That doesn't look so good.

[dimviii]

Jari-Matti Latvala ‏@JariMattiWRC 18 λεπτάΠριν από 18 λεπτά Προβολή μετάφρασης
Heading now to the last SS. Will really push to try to get extra points in the PS! And #GoodLuck to the 3 guys in front. What a fight! #WRC

[jparker]

So, it should be possible to see Tanak on podium. No? Well, it's the devil part of my brain talking.

[dimviii]

Attention to detail, @nicolasgilsoul clears "heavy" snow from the back of the @HyundaiWRC

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B94AZrnIcAAXFG4.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B94ATn5IQAA955R.jpg

[RICARDO75]

http://live.drakulastream.eu/players/free-live-video-streaming-fia-world-rally-championship-sweden-motor-sports-motor-sports-7415.html

already live broadcast

[HaCo]

Thank you to Belgian (French) RTBF for broadcasting the PS live and in HD!

I see road order is defined by current standings.

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B93OUy0CEAAqurR.jpg

[noel157]

Bobby away.

[KKS]

Ukrainian corner on 1:18 :)

[dimviii]

Lefebvre
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B94RDd7IMAAQMNh.jpg

[dimviii]

Gary Boyd ‏@KiwiWRCfan
Previous closest #WRC @RallySweden wins
2011 Mikko Hirvonen by 6.5secs over Mads Ostberg
2000 Marcus Gronholm by 6.8 secs over Tommi Makinen

[HaCo]

Helicopter broadcast problem :-(

[noel157]

Helicopter broadcast problem :-(

Not good, is it. Pixelate city... : )

But better than nothing I guess.

[Kielder]

Full video of Latvala's crash and rescue: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SwCRQZA_yc#t=431

[Bartek]

Good rally for Robert

[noel157]

Good rally for Robert

A really "quiet" rally for him. Should help his season.

[dimviii]

Latvala crash and people trying to recover video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SwCRQZA_yc

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B94ba35CEAE3K36.jpg

[MartijnS]

Nice jump of Abbring! Good rally for him :D

[KKS]

Yeah MAdssss!!!

[Micke_VOC]

Full video of Latvala's crash and rescue: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SwCRQZA_yc#t=431

Some help from some Swedish or Finnish "professional spectators" had earn some time for JML there...

[jparker]

It looks very bumpy on some tide corners. Who is going to negotiate that better?

[KKS]

and Meeke even faster! Go Citroen! :D

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Disappointing rally for Mads..

[MartijnS]

Spin for Meeke.

[KKS]

Oh Meeke..... faster up to 3sec and agrrrr

[dimviii]

Spin for Meeke.

and lost position from Evans at overall.

[jonkka]

and lost position from Evans at overall.

What? Evans has been ahead all along...

[A FONDO]

and lost position from Evans at overall.

Remember when he lost a podium to Henning, again with overdriving on power stage :) :) :)

[KKS]

Start order was very mixed.... Nueville ahead on road in that 3rd

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Solid mature drive by Evans all rally. :)

[adr17]

Disappointing rally for Mads..

It never mads fault , when he gonna learn to stop blaming the car or team , spoilt rich kid
You don't here Evans or meeke ,mikkelson blaming there car , soon he will start a blog on internet about he being best driver in the world and it all car s fault

[noel157]

Heli broadcast a lot better now.

[dimviii]

What? Evans has been ahead all along...

at ss20 they had 1,4 sec difference.With spin he lost the chance to pass him.

[noel157]

The fight begins. Ogier off the line.

[jonkka]

at ss20 they had 1,4 sec difference.With spin he lost the chance to pass him.

So he did not lose a position. He lost a chance to improve on it. It doesn't hurt to be precise, old boy.

[KKS]

and now lets see splits vrom VW....

[dimviii]

dogfight is on.Brace yourselves.

[Bartek]

Come on Thierry! Great second split


Ohhhh, Ogier....

[dimviii]

So he did not lose a position. He lost a chance to improve on it. It doesn't hurt to be precise, old boy.

are you on period?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Ogier is coming for you..

[jonkka]

are you on period?

No, on a binge.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

VWs level split 1 !!

[dimviii]

No, on a binge.

ok i forgive you

[noel157]

"Wake up call for the team" - Neuville.

[KKS]

Mikkelsen outttttt NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Amazing time Seb and Mik is off..

[jonkka]

VWs level split 1 !!

Exceedingly good news!

[noel157]

That's Mikkelsen out of the game. Ogier P1.

[jonkka]

Blasted...

[Frostmourne]

Seriously, Ogier is a very lucky driver, also a very good driver. Combine both of luck and talent and you are contender WRC champion!!

[dimviii]

Lolololol

Ogier moaning again about loosing time all the days ahahahahhahahahahahahhahhaha!!!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

What a let down.. :(

[AndyRAC]

Helluva time from Ogier.... But I did wonder if Andreas could handle the pressure...

[dimviii]

pushing Mikkelsen back to road
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B94hatKIMAAXkH9.jpg

[dimviii]

What a let down.. :(

why? best driver won,fair and square mate!

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B94h8vMIgAEtNT4.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B94h9FJIQAEfBrW.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B94h86aIEAAed-E.jpg

[Fast Eddie WRC]

why? best driver won,fair and square mate!

The mistake by AM so we didnt have a race to the end of the stage.

[[WRCRR]]

The mistake by AM so we didnt have a race to the end of the stage.

Wouldn't have been enough anyway...he was already 1.1 down on the last split before the mistake and Ogier was amazing in the last part of the stage, way WAY faster than anyone.

[skarderud]

If it was some fair actions in fia, ogier should atleast have 2 min penalty, or even been exluded.
5 times speeding under recce, and 2 times under transport. Just a warning and a 1300€ fine.
Kubica hade to high turboboost, impossible for hum to do anything with, its an ecu/msport thing.
5 min penalty. Ridiculous....

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Yes great.

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B94i06-IgAAgu3J.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B94igXSCQAIpgOu.jpg

[Quad]

If it was some fair actions in fia, ogier should atleast have 2 min penalty, or even been exluded.
5 times speeding under recce, and 2 times under transport. Just a warning and a 1300€ fine.
Kubica hade to high turboboost, impossible for hum to do anything with, its an ecu/msport thing.
5 min penalty. Ridiculous....



Indeed.

Next time Ogier will be speeding on recce, his penalty will be shortening suspension of his previous penalty from one year to half year :spin:

[AdvEvo]

The best driver did not win.

What Neuville did with a car which is far from the level which ogier drives.

Neuville is the man of the match by far!!!!!

[dupanton]

Is it correct that VW II is not entered in Manu WRC this year?

[WUff1]

Good rally for RK - fast, one stage win and without an off/accident, unfortunately with some other misluck during the rally

[Sulland]

Very sorry for Mikkelsen. He could have broken another barrier by winning in Sweden. It is always good for the head to get the forst cut in your Gunstock!
Hopefully later in 2015.

but what a rally with 3 cars fighting for victory on the last stage, lets hope for more of those to come!

[RS]

Was a good event, Mikelssen's time will come, not impossible he will beat Latvala this year.

Positives for me:

- Neuville in contention for win in an inferior car

- Decent drive by Kubica (he was a mess here last year iirc)

- Good debut for Abbring with little experience of the car or event.

Negatives:

- Disappointing drive by Tanak. The result wasn't bad but his times against Evans were not too impressive.

- Ostberg's sulking (at least Meeke blames himself and not the car)

- WRC2 turned out a bit boring after much hype

[[WRCRR]]

All in all a great rally. Lots of battles in the front and also in the mid-pack. Two of the battles (for the win and for 6th place) coming all the way to the last stage where small mistakes (Mikkelsen and Meeke) decided the final outcome...isn't this what everybody wants?

Sure, I would have liked for Mikkelsen or Neuville to win too (and don't worry, both of them will win a lot in the future), but nobody can seriously deny that Ogier didn't deserve and fight for this win as much as anybody. And just look at the reactions by the other drivers at the end of the stage to Ogier's time...they simply couldn't believe it. That is something that you don't see everyday.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Not disappointed that Ogier won on the last stage, I expected him to, but it was a shame to see him celebrating on the roof of the car before his team-mate Mikkelsen had even finished the stage.

[AdvEvo]

Ogier has by far the best car of everybody driving there.

If vw builds 10 WRC engines there is always an engine which has just that little more then the other 9 engines. Who do you think has that engine in his car.

I have seen it happen in my race career also!!!

[EstWRC]

Standings

1.Ogier 53
2.Mikkelsen 30
3.Neuville 30
4.Latvala 19
5.Ostberg 14
6.Evans 14
7.Tänak 12
8. Paddon 10
9. Meeke 10
10. Sordo 8


Latvala is in a good position for Mexico.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

‏@Official_iRally
Man of Rally Sweden: Andreas Mikkelsen. Leads from Day 2, spins on final stage, gets out to congratulate Ogier. Sportsmanship.

[KKS]

Al Rajhi secure his 4th in WRC2 from pushing Pontus

[dupanton]

Standings

1.Ogier 53
2.Mikkelsen 30
3.Neuville 30
4.Latvala 19
5.Ostberg 14
6.Evans 14
7.Tänak 12
8. Paddon 10
9. Meeke 10
10. Sordo 8


Latvala is in a good position for Mexico.

Latvala is 34 points behind...

[EstWRC]

read again i edited it.

[stefanvv]

All-in-all good rally for Hyunday - 2nd and 5th is great result

[Negaiss]

I'm very happy for Hyundai and their great results, although they ruined pick'ems basicly for everyone!!!

Good! :
1) Neuville able to fight in top
2) Kubica pretty OK fast on snow
3)Heart braking last stage battle!
4)Protasov stage Win!!
Bad!
1)Tanak forced to keep calm, asked to keep position.
2)Not happy for citroen loosing out fight in top.
3)Not happy for Ogier, who alway manages to go faster if He needs to! Great talant, comitment an bravery!!

[Eli]

to conclude, Shitroen, hate VW (that is Captio & Ogier) I'm sorry but Ogier is kind of a jerk celebrating whilst his team mate was in trouble, i don't like him, in fact i hate him, there i said it. i know he's good and everything but he is better the everyone else at the moment, but i really hope someone, anyone will kick his ass in a straight fight, and on a more positive note,well done Hyundai-if they continue like this they might be able to challange VW once they get the new car, citroen very shitty rally-they should just leave the sport before it gets too embarssing. M-Sport, not to shabby. R-K. finally didn't role or something. good debut for Abbring & Paddon, & Nevuille-please win a rally this year.

[jonkka]

Is it correct that VW II is not entered in Manu WRC this year?

They are a Team, not Manufacturer, so Monte was not nominated in their list of rallies but Sweden is.

[COD]

And Ketomaa wins WRC2, one of the most positive things about this rally

[Mirek]

Ogier has by far the best car of everybody driving there.

If vw builds 10 WRC engines there is always an engine which has just that little more then the other 9 engines. Who do you think has that engine in his car.

I have seen it happen in my race career also!!!

Come on... had the retiree on a trip to Monte Carlo also 50 Hp more than Ogier? And at least 150 Hp more than Meeke and Ostberg?

[EstWRC]

Positive
1. Neuville. Super fast, didnt expect such a speed at all.
2. Kubica, didnt believe that he would be so fast like he was and he didnt crash this time.
3. Great debut for Abbring and great drive from Paddon. Abbring will be the one to look in future.
4. Maturity of Tänak, after 5 stages saw that he cant fight with the top guys because of his starting position and settled in to drive in his own rhytm. If it had been 2012 he would still have pushed like hell and ended up in a snowbank, like he actually did in Rally Sweden 2012 2 or 3 times, lol.

Negative
1.Weather, everybody talked about the most perfect conditions in many years and how Ogier will struggle because of that. Didnt happen.
2.Citroen guys, Meeke with a mistake second race in a row.
3.Latvala.

[dimviii]

Ogier has by far the best car of everybody driving there.

If vw builds 10 WRC engines there is always an engine which has just that little more then the other 9 engines. Who do you think has that engine in his car.

I have seen it happen in my race career also!!!

are you serious?

[Barreis]

Again Ogier and the rest of the field...:P

[KKS]

@MikkoWRC (https://twitter.com/MikkoWRC): I really wish this time the winner is either Neuville or Mikkelsen, for some reason

From twitter line :D

[Francis44]

Nice win by Ogier, he clearly deserved it however I do agree that he should find a better way with words.

As soon as Latvala was out of the fight he didn't feel any real pressure anyway.

[KKS]

Frendship spirit, welldone!
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B94lAcmIEAAG3jK.jpg

[KKS]

pushing Mikkelsen back to road
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B94hatKIMAAXkH9.jpg
Funny faces :)

[jparker]

Funny faces :)

Mikkelsen should buy them a beer tonight ;) (I hope they drink)

[dimviii]

Mikkelsen incar crash at power stage
http://www.irallylive.com/ir_vid.htm?00001764

[KKS]

;1040592']Wouldn't have been enough anyway...he was already 1.1 down on the last split before the mistake and Ogier was amazing in the last part of the stage, way WAY faster than anyone.

Fastest 3rd sector by Ogier 200.7 sec, than 203.3(+2.6) Neuville, and 204.3 (+3.6) Mads
Andreas was a 2.2 faster on split2, so it lost to Ogier 2.6-2.2=0.4 sec on 3rd sector.
+0.7+0.4=1.1 sec at the end.
So you are wrong

[dimviii]

Mikkelsens crash video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKr59rJviv0

[dupanton]

So who will start 2nd in Mexico? Neuville and Mikkelsen are on equal points, it could make a big difference!

[KKS]

So who will start 2nd in Mexico? Neuville and Mikkelsen are on equal points, it could make a big difference!

Neuville 2nd
2nd places count.

[EstWRC]

So who will start 2nd in Mexico? Neuville and Mikkelsen are on equal points, it could make a big difference!

i guess Mikkelsen because he has two third places, Neuville has 5th and 2nd.

E: i was wrong, KKS said it.

[Ucci]

What to say at the end : congratulations (again) to "crying" Ogier. He is the best, simple as it is.....
Biggest looser: JML, he really knows how to spoil his championship chances....
For me positive surprises: Neuville, Kubica, Abbring, Protasov.
Interesting rally.

[KKS]

MICHELIN Motorsport ‏@michelin_sport (https://twitter.com/michelin_sport) 50m50 minutes ago (https://twitter.com/michelin_sport/status/566956506281955328) .@YazeedRacing (https://twitter.com/YazeedRacing) @Official_iRally (https://twitter.com/Official_iRally) well done Yazeed proud to be your tire partner !

cuz your tire only 4th in wrc2 :D

[KKS]

VW retired Latvala's car at final service. This gives him freedom with linked components - like diffs - in Mexico.

O_o thoose tacktics awful

[KKS]

Poland parad in Karlstad
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B95F8r9IUAIpRZS.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B95F8puIMAAYd-r.jpg

[dimviii]

KKS explain it please(about linked components)

[Rallyper]

Very exciting Rally Sweden this year.
best in rally:
1) Ogier must admit he is best and for sure best car. He had most luck with the snowbanks asalmost everybody did visits in them
2) Neuville showed very good speed. can´t wait for new car.
3) Paddon not fast but did a good rally
4) Emil Bergkvist in R2 Opel Adam, did fast times and made the whole rally getting sooo uch experience for the future.
5) In a way Tanak, but I thought he´d more speed

Disappointments:
1) JML
2) Meeke. He can´t just blame he´s not been here so many times. You could see on his PET that his driving style should punish him.
3) Mads, but in his case car let him down, no matter what you guys could come up with.

On the whole:

Huyndai having good team and cars this time was reliable.

[dimviii]

Protasov with penalty too
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B95JnYTIQAAMNXD.jpg

[KKS]

KKS explain it please(about linked components)

It's a quote... I don't know about what they talked. But maybe some parts can't use without his pair.



All the cars are virtually the same anyway; the only small difference is that we do have to use some of Dani’s setup as some components are linked. But this isn’t a problem, and I’m excited by the prospect of driving car #8.”

[KKS]

Protasov with penalty too


It's many drivers with this kind of decision
http://www.rallysweden.com/tavlande/virtuell-anslagstavla/
Stewards Decision No 2-7

[KKS]

Whole rally Sweden in one photo
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B95L8pOIIAA9waF.png

[hari]

My pictures from a great Rally Sweden 2015:
http://www.ir7.at/content/fotos_bestof_wrc_rallye_schweden_2015.html

http://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2015/schweden/bestof4/1.jpg

[dimviii]

nice small video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9VDzZwOBdU

[KKS]

And Citroen vid
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVEJukj-t8Q&feature=youtu.be

[dimviii]

borl video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hBR4jUbFU0&feature=youtu.be&a

[peg306]

Bertelli small off on Lesjöfors this morning
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67WFonmzb4s

[dimviii]

Mikkelsen full opposite lock with high gear
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10152577108652016&pnref=story

[dimviii]

lol

“An unbelievable finale. I am incredibly proud of this win. It is certainly one of my best. The
first victory in Sweden two years ago, when I beat Sébastien Loeb, was fantastic, but this was
even harder-fought.

http://www.volkswagen-motorsport.com/fileadmin/user_upload/CMP/Dokumente/FIA%20World%20Rally%20Championship/Sweden/2015/2015-02-15_vwmosp_wrc2015_02schweden_tag03_en.pdf

[KKS]

nice small video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9VDzZwOBdU

Brynildsen was very lucky don't stuck in snowbank, on Varmullsasen

[KKS]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9Xy-6F4kQQ&index=70&list=PLaJvc5lP69OhObA0VcBucZbGzIE27c8Xd one corner, all WRC2. A bit strange to watch that too heavy Impreza compare to all other.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61JENxYkYBM&index=71&list=PLaJvc5lP69OhObA0VcBucZbGzIE27c8Xd same corner, WRC only

[KKS]

lol

“An unbelievable finale. I am incredibly proud of this win. It is certainly one of my best. The
first victory in Sweden two years ago, when I beat Sébastien Loeb, was fantastic, but this was
even harder-fought.

http://www.volkswagen-motorsport.com/fileadmin/user_upload/CMP/Dokumente/FIA%20World%20Rally%20Championship/Sweden/2015/2015-02-15_vwmosp_wrc2015_02schweden_tag03_en.pdf

let children play in his magic world

[rallye-vid]

let children play in his magic world

His eyes said on the finish line: i'm so happy my team mate lost the concentration.

[janvanvurpa]

Some help from some Swedish or Finnish "professional spectators" had earn some time for JML there...
Yeah I was wondering why they didn't have several of thos tow straps with all the hand loops built in, would have been much faster pulling out. Great to see Nordic cooperation...

[KKS]

First video with full rally channel https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-t23bGje8s
Nice video drom Day2 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkNo1O0XzzU
100, L5 over crest , 30 straight into a snowbank :) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_i41ZLAXzI&index=77&list=PLaJvc5lP69OhObA0VcBucZbGzIE27c8Xd

[KKS]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIAobG1gLm4 Fantastic flat-out from JML

[J.Lindstroem]

Hej Lindström, kan du inte läsa därnere i Småland? titta en gång till.
I give him an A for being a good lab assistant...there are thousands of people in my city alone++some are freinds and customers of mine+---fighting cancer..
So good for them, and good for him...

But those people do not write 90% of what they write, or speak as complete contempt for, as far as we can see from his own words, complete contempt---vanakt, om det ger intrycket bättre---for nearly everybody in this sport..
Try to preciscera det här med olika områder.... In this world.....MOTORSPORT, there is a hierarchy, and those who 90% of the time just call most everybody is the sport....when they are incapable, and never even dared to do even a ''village event'' gets rather ridiculous and silly....
And he does have nothing but contempt for everybody in the sport and here in this little forum...
and many are sick of reading same droning crap for years..
Never humorous, never creative, never thoughtful, just everybody is useless and stupid in the whole rallyworld but him--and he is not part of it.

(Hur vet du han gär ett dug nyttig i labbet? Om han beterer sig på jobbet som har uppträdar här, och varför skulle han vara annat? Då finns en bra chans has är lika bruklösa där som här..)

And your analysis of me being jealous...:rolleyes:
Shirley you cannot be serious... I am jealous of nobody, especially a mere lab-rat, gissa igen grabben.

So JANVANVURPA who do you think you are to sit here on this god forsaken Forum, grading people on how good persons they are?! Do you think you know something about ANYONE on the internet? The answer is negative! The only thing we can know for sure and critizise here on this forum is how members like me, you and N.O.T is putting themselves forward. Im not the best one on that area, thats for sure. But you aren't either! And i would never judge you for that and start to talk about how low value you have in some sort of sick made up grading system based on what people write on a little forum on the internet. Sure N.O.T is negative, ignorant and shows nothing put a great contempt for other members. But i'm afraid that doesn't give you the right to put a big red FAIL on him as a human being.

It just gave me some big jelous vibes. Your text had JELOUS written all over it.

Yes btw i can read but it's hard to read something thats written by someone who can't write.

[Arnold Triyudho Wardono]

Congratulations for Thierry and I feel sorry to Andreas (they time will come, I believe that)

[PLuto]

Hello, I dont know if it was mentioned here and search button is not working for me... But I have one question. There is still winning time of Yuriy Protasov on SS 6, but I dont believe it. He was surprisingly fast this Rally Sweden, but this time is completely out of "sense". From beginning I thought it was timekeepers mistake and I am surprised they didnt repaired it. Does anybody have any information regarding his time on this stage?

[janvanvurpa]

bla ha blah ha
Yes btw i can read but it's hard to read something thats written by someone who can't write.

I write clear enough....I can only write my opinions of Tsolkas based on his endless, non-stop shït-talk towards everybody...It is my opinion, and shared by many. 100% negative is a failure as a human..
Never a word of humanity, happiness, joy ----what the hell is the purpose of doing a sport, or watching it if all you do is call the whole world stupid...


I know I can never tell a Swede a thing, so sit there and imagine what ever you want, but suggesting jealousy towards anybody, especially a little nothing like Grigoris is not even funny...

So maybe I can't write clear enough for your standards, but maybe you don't know what the word jealousy means. So I will help you learn connotations of English words better:
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?allowed_in_frame=0&search=jealousy&searchmode=none

[Rallyper]

@J.Lindstrom You should read once again between the lines what John is trying to say in his first quote about our N.O.T. boy. Your latest quote is not proper enough to be said.

John has many points in what he said.

[Mintexmemory]

Plenty of time for it to sink in and despite the infantile and ignorant responses I've seen from various posts I see no reason to change my view. A true champion pulled out the stops and performed when it mattered. Those of you who keep flaming Ogier,(most of whom aren't anglophones) ask yourselves 'how good would I be at the end of a stage with the adrenalin high, answering questions in a foreign language?' Mikkelsen drove a good rally but ultimately couldn't defend half a minute lead. He will only ever win if both Ogier and Latvala both hit major trouble late in an event. Meanwhile the season will be decided , make or break in the next round.

[J.Lindstroem]

@j.lindstrom you should read once again between the lines what john is trying to say in his first quote about our n.o.t. Boy. Your latest quote is not proper enough to be said.

John has many points in what he said.

Well i don't agree.

[danon]

Look at those eyes...

NOW! he is ready fight.

The Monte friendship won't last long.


Whole rally Sweden in one photo
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B95L8pOIIAA9waF.png

http://www.volkswagen-motorsport.com/fileadmin/user_upload/Fans_Friends/1%20WRC/Rallye/Monte%20Carlo/Berichterstattung/2015/20150125/galerie_des_tages/886x498px_vw-20150125-3039.jpg

[dimviii]

ask yourselves 'how good would I be at the end of a stage with the adrenalin high, answering questions in a foreign language?'

as we can see from last 20 years,Loeb,Gronholm,Makkinen,McRae,Burns,Sainz,Sol berg was very easy to dont ridicule themselves at stage ends even when they had lost this stage or the whole rally.
So yes Ogier has a ego problem.Deal with it.We have plenty excuses from Ogier,there is no need more from Ogier fans.

[sollitt]

Sure N.O.T is negative, ignorant and shows nothing put a great contempt for other members. But i'm afraid that doesn't give you the right to put a big red FAIL on him as a human being. Yes, it does actually !

[J.Lindstroem]

Yes, it does actually !

No.

[Mintexmemory]

as we can see from last 20 years,Loeb,Gronholm,Makkinen,McRae,Burns,Sainz,Sol berg was very easy to dont ridicule themselves at stage ends even when they had lost this stage or the whole rally.
So yes Ogier has a ego problem.Deal with it.We have plenty excuses from Ogier,there is no need more from Ogier fans.

Actually you have a selective memory McRae and Sainz have both been egocentric in post-stage interviews.
I can't speak for Makkinen but in common with Gronholm and Solberg they have a different and understated nordic way of replying to questions. Of course the golden idol never actually said anything worth printing as he had a vast array of platitudes at his disposal. Possibly, why people who know a bit about PR coaching got bored with 'Loebspeak'.

[dimviii]

Hello, I dont know if it was mentioned here and search button is not working for me... But I have one question. There is still winning time of Yuriy Protasov on SS 6, but I dont believe it. He was surprisingly fast this Rally Sweden, but this time is completely out of "sense". From beginning I thought it was timekeepers mistake and I am surprised they didnt repaired it. Does anybody have any information regarding his time on this stage?

Pluto at stage 6 if you watch,there is also Kubica with a good time(3rd just 3,1 sec behind Protasov) while at other stages Kubica was much more slower.
maybe the start order with a combination with a advantage for pirelli tyres for this stage?

at stage 9 Protasov lost only 10,4 sec at 14,76 km
at stage 7 lost only 12,1 sec at 20,76 km
at stage 10(ss Karlstad) has 4th time infront of plenty works crews.again mistake?
at stage 15 lost 11,3 at 18km
at stage 17(again ss) had 3rd time overall

dont underestimate pirelli tyres,that they didnt want to give their effort at wrc last years because they entered at f1,doesnt mean they dont have good tyres.That very few drivers use them, doesn t mean something about their speed/competitiveness,because there are other reasons for that.
As i have said plenty of times,at plenty of occasions they are much better than michelins.
Pitty that a works team doesn t use them.Maybe we had some nice surprises at stages or rallies,that will spicy up these boring years.

[mousti]

http://www.motorsport.com/wrc/news/pirellli-kubica-and-protasov-set-fastest-times-on-rally-sweden/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

[dimviii]

Actually you have a selective memory McRae and Sainz have both been egocentric in post-stage interviews.
No you have selective memory.
are you talking about their team orders at Ford? if yes i dont talk about one problem or two,in 10-15 years of rallying.
I talk about continious moaning stage by stage,rally by rally,year by year, even if he has advantage.Moaning even when he was closing his gps sensor.

I can't speak for Makkinen but in common with Gronholm and Solberg they have a different and understated nordic way of replying to questions.
Loeb and Ogier had same language,but that didn t helped Ogier to dont ridicule himself.
Not a good excuse...


Of course the golden idol never actually said anything worth printing as he had a vast array of platitudes at his disposal. Possibly, why people who know a bit about PR coaching got bored with 'Loebspeak'.

Master doesnt had to ridicule himself at interviews.He ridiculed everybody at stages.
That it was boring for you, because he didnt moan for years, when he was cleaning all gravel rallies,that is not boring for most people.
Thats why when he appears at rallies,even at Ogiers birthtown,you see 10 times more people at park service at Loebs car.
Can you guess whats the problem?

[N.O.T]

so ogier won, pity for the mistake by Mikkelsen, i actually like him because we are both handsome and i like handsome people... nice performance by Nauville.

So let me get this straight in my head...

for 9 years we had a french guy peeing in the nordiks carpet inside their beautiful warm house... he did it in Sweden, in norway, in finland... and then *poof* he goes away, and the Nordiks are happy once more... " NO MORE PEE INSIDE OUR HOUSES" they yelled in excitement... "WE ARE THE KINGS OF OUR CARPETS ONCE MORE"

and then Ogier comes... and here is my question..

when you question the motives of God upon earth more ? when you see the situation in somalia ? or when you see the french pee in your carpet once more ?

can you please start filtering out your drivers based on skill instead of rich daddys ?? otherwise its another 10 years of french pee all over the place...

[Toyoda]

so ogier won, pity for the mistake by Mikkelsen, i actually like him because we are both handsome and i like handsome people... nice performance by Nauville.

So let me get this straight in my head...

for 9 years we had a french guy peeing in the nordiks carpet inside their beautiful warm house... he did it in Sweden, in norway, in finland... and then *poof* he goes away, and the Nordiks are happy once more... " NO MORE PEE INSIDE OUR HOUSES" they yelled in excitement... "WE ARE THE KINGS OF OUR CARPETS ONCE MORE"

and then Ogier comes... and here is my question..

when you question the motives of God upon earth more ? when you see the situation in somalia ? or when you see the french pee in your carpet once more ?

can you please start filtering out your drivers based on skill instead of rich daddys ?? otherwise its another 10 years of french pee all over the place...

Least Norway did better than the brits hu, in fact even NZ did...honestly though, as a fan its all about having a great fight which we had...

[N.O.T]

Least Norway did better than the brits hu, in fact even NZ did...honestly though, as a fan its all about having a great fight which we had...

there are no brits in rallying... for one it is too late and for the other its too early and it doesn't look good.

[Barreis]

Hahaha, we all have member, senior member and NOT has God...

[sollitt]

No.Yes.

[PLuto]

Pluto at stage 6 if you watch,there is also Kubica with a good time(3rd just 3,1 sec behind Protasov) while at other stages Kubica was much more slower.
maybe the start order with a combination with a advantage for pirelli tyres for this stage?

at stage 9 Protasov lost only 10,4 sec at 14,76 km
at stage 7 lost only 12,1 sec at 20,76 km
at stage 10(ss Karlstad) has 4th time infront of plenty works crews.again mistake?
at stage 15 lost 11,3 at 18km
at stage 17(again ss) had 3rd time overall

dont underestimate pirelli tyres,that they didnt want to give their effort at wrc last years because they entered at f1,doesnt mean they dont have good tyres.That very few drivers use them, doesn t mean something about their speed/competitiveness,because there are other reasons for that.
As i have said plenty of times,at plenty of occasions they are much better than michelins.
Pitty that a works team doesn t use them.Maybe we had some nice surprises at stages or rallies,that will spicy up these boring years.

I dont count super special stages in Karlstad (and similar ones), it is very short and specific stage which should be won by Tidemand (this year) or Prokop (with S2000 in the past). But I was comparing mainly SS 5 and 6, which were on same road. Most of the crews were slower in second lap and if there was somebody faster (like Kubica), it was only in tenths of seconds. But Protasov was faster for 9 seconds, which is more than one second per km. And it was only on this stage, on all other stages he returned to his normal.

So I am only telling, that on first view this time and improving comparing to other drivers and other stages is not in normal level.

[dimviii]

top 5 jumps at Colins Crest
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lUrTi06EGU&feature=youtu.be

[Rallyper]

No.

I think you are overreacting a bit. John told you the truth. NOT never will be no more than a spice on this forum.

[N.O.T]

Yes.

stop arguing about other peoples personalities, it gives them the fake feeling of importance and makes you seem insignificant...

you are making me blush naughty boys.

[dimviii]

nice Meeke photo
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B96pOncIIAIUY7Q.jpg

[KKS]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kye8PHynukU - Hyundai Day3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQb-T7WGmUM -SS20/21
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLepD9fqScI - Rammen (2nd half - extremely fast corner)

[KKS]

Hello, I dont know if it was mentioned here and search button is not working for me... But I have one question. There is still winning time of Yuriy Protasov on SS 6, but I dont believe it. He was surprisingly fast this Rally Sweden, but this time is completely out of "sense". From beginning I thought it was timekeepers mistake and I am surprised they didnt repaired it. Does anybody have any information regarding his time on this stage?
He has some up's and down's. Stage a short, they repeat after first run, so he know it. He collect all up's and set fastest time. On other staages they balanced with "down's"

[dimviii]

Neuvilles close call
https://twitter.com/MxMansson/status/567082556932493312/video/1

[AdvEvo]

Because of arrogant ogier wins i loose interest in rally.
First Solberg and Loeb, and now kubica and Neuville keeps me on track watching rally.

[stefanvv]

Because of arrogant ogier wins i loose interest in rally.

He doesn't win by arrogance does he? All is about driving, and seems it is personal taste someone would like it or not.... No problem for Ogier & VW I suppose they don't win (Loeb+) fans.

[sollitt]

stop arguing about other peoples personalities, it gives them the fake feeling of importance and makes you seem insignificant...

you are making me blush naughty boys. Don't flatter yourself NOT. Nobody is arguing about your personality, merely Jan's right to comment. No need to blush.

[J.Lindstroem]

Don't flatter yourself NOT. Nobody is arguing about your personality, merely Jan's right to comment. No need to blush.

Actually i don't care so much about this. I just wanted some reaction from janvanvurpa. Sorry about that. rallyper, i guess you are right - i'm not thrustworthy at all!

But you know what? Sue me! I don't give f*ck anymore! Haha!!

[pino]

Are we done with stupid personal comments? We are here to talk rallying not members personality and childish attitude !

[Karukera]

Ogier comes from a rough region where people speak their guts out all day long. Call that how you want.
Well done Ogier and FX D for leading VW charge. Frankreich über alles !

[A FONDO]

as we can see from last 20 years,Loeb,Gronholm,Makkinen,McRae,Burns,Sainz,Sol berg was very easy to dont ridicule themselves at stage ends even when they had lost this stage or the whole rally.
So yes Ogier has a ego problem.Deal with it.We have plenty excuses from Ogier,there is no need more from Ogier fans.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/t31.0-8/10830676_919630328094104_4883684610528858328_o.jpg :D

[N.O.T]

Because of arrogant ogier wins i loose interest in rally.
First Solberg and Loeb, and now kubica and Neuville keeps me on track watching rally.

if you watch this sports because of the people and not the sport itself sooner or later you would become bored/annoyed... so better late than never.

[spyros]

if you watch this sports because of the people and not the sport itself sooner or later you would become bored/annoyed... so better late than never.

I dont agree with you,people plays a serius role at all things.I dont remember any other champ being hated as much as Ogier,shame!

[N.O.T]

yes they do play a serious role, but to watch a rally/pingpong/boxing because of a person and not because of the spectacle then sooner or later you are going to get bored.

I do not mind anything about Ogier, he just speaks his mind... people are mad because he is taking the place of Loeb. Loeb was hated as well and was the most humble sportsman ever.

[AL14]

if you watch this sports because of the people and not the sport itself sooner or later you would become bored/annoyed... so better late than never.

Although I would have said it in a nicer way I agree with the idea that we can't put driver's character's before the sport himself. Ogier is annoying 'cause he wins everytime not 'cause he is arrogant imo.
Said that, he could be a bit less ego-man and stop whining like a princess.
End AdvEvo, you should have more interest in rally if you don't like him, waiting for someone who will beat him. That will be a very nice day for you :)

[AdvEvo]

Monaco first stage with Loeb winning was just awesome AL14!!!

[tommeke_B]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B9-Hzl1IMAEks8y.jpg:large
Kubica taking the wrong line and cutting a snowbank before a jump, was quite spectacular you could say... :)

Had a great Rally Sweden. Epic battle and great spectacle, very impressed by the pace (and clean style) of Neuville, who knows what will happen when Hyundai brings out a more competitive i20 WRC... Also Abbring was very impressive regarding his experience on these conditions and with this type of car. I'll write some short resume and upload some more photos later. ;)

[SubaruNorway]

My video from a fantastic Rally Sweden, i think i got every possible type of corner covered this time! :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNB3DbKyRO4

[MartijnS]

Good video, bit too long to watch completely, but very nice spots. Great jump the fast one.

[dimviii]

Answers from Meeke
http://www.krismeeke.com/news/2015-02-16-kriss-twitter-debrief-rally-sweden


first Mc Rae podium at 16/2/1992 2nd at Sweden
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B99GiOOIYAAaeQm.jpg

[Karukera]

Monaco first stage with Loeb winning was just awesome AL14!!!

Nobody's questionning that and Ogier showed the same panache with his full attack on sunday.

[stefanvv]

Looks like WRC is going on a - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZRxdZzljSk

[COD]

Many people here have said how impressive Abbring was. Really? Slowly cruising through the event, I fail to see the impressive part

[stefanvv]

Many people here have said how impressive Abbring was. Really? Slowly cruising through the event, I fail to see the impressive part

I haven't watch any videos, can't tell how good it was. But his aim seem to be achieved, bring the car home and gather experience.

[WUff1]

I haven't watch any videos, can't tell how good it was. But his aim seem to be achieved, bring the car home and gather experience.

I expect Abbring to be much faster than Paddon after some time.

[stefanvv]

I expect Abbring to be much faster than Paddon after some time.

me too. I'm little disappointed by Paddon, though we must consider he was driving Sordo's car here, which turned out problem for Hyunday, so this Rally can't be true judgement for Paddon's speed. We'll see.

[gianni123]

Video online

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqluZzOSfFg

[SubaruNorway]

Good video, bit too long to watch completely, but very nice spots. Great jump the fast one.

Thanks! Couldn't be bothered going over it once more deleting clips, knew it would be hard when i had 10 min of usable clips from shakedown already :p

[PLuto]

Many people here have said how impressive Abbring was. Really? Slowly cruising through the event, I fail to see the impressive part

Kev's performance in Sweden wasnt superb, it was average, nothing special. But it was without real preparation and I didnt expected anything special from him there...

[mas-racing]

http://i1354.photobucket.com/albums/q695/freddyzonnebeke/sf2zweden_zpsfec0b92d.jpg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJotmm8o8Sg)

[sollitt]

me too. I'm little disappointed by Paddon, though we must consider he was driving Sordo's car here, which turned out problem for Hyunday, so this Rally can't be true judgement for Paddon's speed. We'll see.You might also consider that this was Paddon's second ever rally on snow and that, in all likelihood, the instructions from the boss were to bring the car home in the points. A job which he fulfilled admirably.
What is there to be disappointed about?


I expect Abbring to be much faster than Paddon after some time. I think you'll find Paddon's speed quite different on surfaces he's familiar with and in a car set up to his liking. If Abbring can keep up ... we'll be in for a treat.

[stefanvv]

You might also consider that this was Paddon's second ever rally on snow and that, in all likelihood, the instructions from the boss were to bring the car home in the points. A job which he fulfilled admirably.

Yes, I know he is unfamiliar with snow and as I said the car was not assembled for him.


What is there to be disappointed about?

Well at least on few stages some times close to Neuville's

[Toyoda]

Yes, I know he is unfamiliar with snow and as I said the car was not assembled for him.



Well at least on few stages some times close to Neuville's

What is the point in trying to set a time close to Neuville, why risk it, especially with less than ideal set up. This was not the rally to proveing anything, it was to collect manufacture points which he did

[AL14]

I'm not an expert but looking to wikipedia's profile of drivers it seems very common they retire in their debut on WRC class. Am I wrong? Abbring saw the finish line without rally2 in a car he never drove and in an unfamiliar surface. He grabbed 1 point. Nothing too much impressive but not a disappointment at all.

[A FONDO]

You might also consider that this was Paddon's second ever rally on snow and that, in all likelihood, the instructions from the boss were to bring the car home in the points. A job which he fulfilled admirably.
What is there to be disappointed about?

I think you'll find Paddon's speed quite different on surfaces he's familiar with and in a car set up to his liking. If Abbring can keep up ... we'll be in for a treat.

Poor arguments. It's not about only this rally on snow surface. His whole performance in WRC car is poor. His attitude is weak. So many other youngsters have appeared and achieved this or that, who do you compare Paddon with? If he is about to become the new Ostberg, then no, thanks.

[Simmi]

I'm not an expert but looking to wikipedia's profile of drivers it seems very common they retire in their debut on WRC class. Am I wrong? Abbring saw the finish line without rally2 in a car he never drove and in an unfamiliar surface. He grabbed 1 point. Nothing too much impressive but not a disappointment at all.

I thought it was a solid performance from Kevin. Standing stage-side he looked good and not out of place at all. First snow event in a WRC car okay, but completely wrong to say it's a car he never drove. He's done plenty of testing with Hyundai in the last 12 months - just not highly publicized.

[AL14]

12 months? Did he?

[EightGear]

Only shaking the cars down before events, not full blown stage testing. His main 'issue' in Sweden were the pacenotes, since he's not yet used to the speed of the car. That should come with experience though.

[AndyRAC]

You simply can't judge drivers on 'one off' events. Have you heard the term 'small sample size'? A driver needs at least a full season to enable conclusions to be drawn. Also, nobody knows what they have been asked by the team.

[Doon]

Poor arguments. It's not about only this rally on snow surface. His whole performance in WRC car is poor. His attitude is weak. So many other youngsters have appeared and achieved this or that, who do you compare Paddon with? If he is about to become the new Ostberg, then no, thanks.

Are you trying to compare Paddon with Ostberg?

[N.O.T]

Paddon is early in his career, he has a manufacturer support now so no excuses, if he manages to be close to his team mates it will be good for him. I have not made my mind yet on him, i think there is potential but needs to improve rally by rally.

[COD]

Only shaking the cars down before events, not full blown stage testing. His main 'issue' in Sweden were the pacenotes, since he's not yet used to the speed of the car. That should come with experience though.

If you are a proffesional and have good pacenotesystem, then they should be good for any car. The road is the same, and that is what the pacenotes describe!

[MartijnS]

There is a difference if you write pacenotes when you are used to the car you drive. You know how fast you arrive and can take a corner only by expericene. If you never did a stage before in a WRC it seems logical to me that its difficult to write the correct notes at the recce...

[A FONDO]

Depends on your pacenote system. If it is primitive, like "5 left, medium right" then you'll be in trouble. If you describe angles of corners and distance between them then it's all up to your talent to adjuct the speeds.

[EightGear]

Kevin uses a mix I believe. Things like 'left 10 round' but also 'slight right' and even 'á fond.' That's when you will be in trouble indeed, if you don't know the speed of the car you can't know if a corner is flat or not. You'll need more experience to judge that during recce.

[jparker]

After watching all nice videos posted here, I have noticed something different this year.
Too many OFFs after back side of the car touching the snowbank, bouncing from it, and then front end dive.
Was that because of the hard snowbanks, or it's something else?

[bluuford]

After watching all nice videos posted here, I have noticed something different this year.
Too many OFFs after back side of the car touching the snowbank, bouncing from it, and then front end dive.
Was that because of the hard snowbanks, or it's something else?

Hi, I am back from extremely difficult marathon. Due to some recent painkillers treatment (after taking out wisdom tooth) I had no power, but luckily I had a lot of will that helped me to complete in 5h and 19 min :-) And I can see that it has been very, very interesting end of rally!
The first I will give you a short answer.
It was classical overdriving + relatively soft snow. Temperature was close to zero and that made snow soft and sucked cars in when they were overdriving. Why so much overdrive? Due to little + degrees, the top layer of ice was softer and spikes of the first cars broke that ice and for the following cars the road was covered by slush-broken ice particles that made it difficult for the spikes to reach to the solid ice and get traction. Now you can imagine that uder you tyre, there is loose ice particles and under the loose particles there is more solid ice.. that is very slippery and that makes cars slide wide.

Ogier was very lucky to loose such a little time, but the luck is always on the winners side;-)
Mikkelsen was also very lucky to have so many professional spectators around his off-road scene. They saved podium for him.

Latvala, Meeke and Ostberg were extremely dissapointing. They ruined my pickems.. totally :-P
Ford boys did maximum that was possible from their starting position and with their cars. Nearly perfect rally from them apart from slight mistake by Elfin.

I have nothing against Ogier but this moaning being first on the road is a bit too much. It was very clear advantage on the first passes for him and little disadvantage on the second passes. Can someone tell him to find a new topic to speak at the end of stage? maybe about the spectators on the stage or nice scenery or about his wife... :-P

And finally. Meeke is a good driver but I think that he needs some treatment by psyhologist. He has had bigger or smaller crashes during last four rallies (Spain, off road and double puncture, GB - off road and punctures, Monte - off road, Sweden - off road and many mistakes). He needs to calm down.

[makinen_fan]

Pickems are processed now. Have a look in the dedicated thread. Nobody predicted Ogier, Neuvile as top 2!

[dimviii]

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[makinen_fan]

Prokop had a €2000 penalty for having too short wheelbase. I didn't know that setup has such a big influence on wheelbase and make it illegal.
http://www.rallysweden.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Stewards-Decision-No-10.pdf

[Antony Warmbold]

Prokop had a €2000 penalty for having too short wheelbase. I didn't know that setup has such a big influence on wheelbase and make it illegal.
http://www.rallysweden.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Stewards-Decision-No-10.pdf

First time I see that as well !

[Mirek]

Too short wheelbase is no advantage. It might be a result of some suspension playing or it can theoretically happen if the car was quite heavily crashed before and repaired not 100%.

[PLuto]

They were measuring wheelbase also on ERC event in Liepaja. I was surprised they were doing it also during regrouping where nobody from the crew were at the car... But in final, I know that car of Kristof Klausz (Renault Clio R3) was also not in conformity and they gave them time penalty (I think 60 seconds).

[Mirek]

One curiosity when You mention Clio... I'm not sure about R3 but S1600 for sure had different wheelbase left and right. It's due to the rear axle design where torsion bars of left and right rear wheels are placed alongside. It's the same with Mégane. I guess it applies to Clio R3 too.

[nafpaktos]

I have nothing against Ogier but this moaning being first on the road is a bit too much. It was very clear advantage on the first passes for him and little disadvantage on the second passes.

The disadvantage you mention on the second pass was not only for Ogier but also for the other drivers close to him ,so no real disadvantage,right?this slush of ice particles after the first passes still stays on the road?i suppose not ,and if my suggestion is right then the car back on the list have advantage?true or false???

[nafpaktos]

One curiosity when You mention Clio... I'm not sure about R3 but S1600 for sure had different wheelbase left and right. It's due to the rear axle design where torsion bars of left and right rear wheels are placed alongside. It's the same with Mégane. I guess it applies to Clio R3 too.

mm??does this quirk make more difficult to find the optimim set up?during right and left corners the driver feel exactly the same??

[stefanvv]

The disadvantage you mention on the second pass was not only for Ogier but also for the other drivers close to him ,so no real disadvantage,right?this slush of ice particles after the first passes still stays on the road?i suppose not ,and if my suggestion is right then the car back on the list have advantage?true or false???

Actually on the 2nd pass he sweeps the snow thrown from historic cars and makes the road for the drivers behind him. His times were really bad on 2nd pass if I remember right. Also on 2nd day first on the road was disadvantage, so he had something to moan about.

[ruesluporp]

Actually on the 2nd pass he sweeps the snow thrown from historic cars and makes the road for the drivers behind him. His times were really bad on 2nd pass if I remember right. Also on 2nd day first on the road was disadvantage, so he had something to moan about.

It was not really an advantage on the first pass due to the lack of trajectory and brake-points markers...

[AL14]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/117751

Please someone help this guy, he has a very big ego problem.

It seems Loeb was better than him even from a style point of view.

[bluuford]

It was not really an advantage on the first pass due to the lack of trajectory and brake-points markers...

This is very major advantage on such conditions. You can choose ideal line for yourself. A bit similar situation was today at Estonian winter rally. Before the rally I was not sure about it but I realized it very soon by looking from onboards etc. It is disadvantage when you are gentelman driver and you have no idea what is ideal line. Ogier just need a lot of recognition, that is his personality problem, there is nothing to do about it.

[ruesluporp]

This is very major advantage on such conditions. You can choose ideal line for yourself. A bit similar situation was today at Estonian winter rally. Before the rally I was not sure about it but I realized it very soon by looking from onboards etc. It is disadvantage when you are gentelman driver and you have no idea what is ideal line. Ogier just need a lot of recognition, that is his personality problem, there is nothing to do about it.

Always the same crap against Ogier!

[Andre Oliveira]

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[nafpaktos]

Always the same crap against Ogier!

No my friend crap is ogier's character.Big driver but SMALL person ,very small indeed.The statements that have been made by him(in 4years),have not been made from the beggining of the wrc from all the drivers that participated to it.PATHETIC.

[stefanvv]

No my friend crap is ogier's character.Big driver but SMALL person ,very small indeed.The statements that have been made by him(in 4years),have not been made from the beggining of the wrc from all the drivers that participated to it.PATHETIC.

Who do you think are the BIG characters in wrc nowadays. And why?

[nafpaktos]

The persons who are humble and down to earth,so definetely not him.Tell me one big driver in the rally history being so arrogant,no such statements have never been made by ANYONE and continuously like ogier's.Jari took a big win in sweden when he was young and his is top driver(of course ogier is better) and he is very down to earth.even the nine times champion (which i dont like him) never did such statements.once more pathetic!!!

[stefanvv]

The persons who are humble and down to earth,so definetely not him.Tell me one big driver in the rally history being so arrogant,no such statements have never been made by ANYONE and continuously like ogier's.

Well I don't know, I guess don't pay much attention about it. What is so arrogant Ogier told in Sweden that pissed off so many?

[danon]

No my friend crap is ogier's character.Big driver but SMALL person ,very small indeed.The statements that have been made by him(in 4years),have not been made from the beggining of the wrc from all the drivers that participated to it.PATHETIC.

You win a wine bottle of Limited Edition - "Arrogant FrOgier".
Cheers!!!

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[nafpaktos]

Hahahahah thanks

[nafpaktos]

Well I don't know, I guess don't pay much attention about it. What is so arrogant Ogier told in Sweden that pissed off so many?

Ogier said
But it is very important because mentally for the others it's a strong show to them: remember, who is the boss. I like that

[N.O.T]

Well he is the boss... what is wrong with what he said ?? it is the truth...

[nafpaktos]

Neither tommi nor juha(i mean top drivers)have ever said such things and these guys where also bosses.