2014 Singapore Grand Prix Thread

[steveaki13]

So after Lewis Hamilton gave himself hope of the title again in Italy, we move on to Singapore.

I love this race despite many hating it. Its spectacle and bumpy circuit are a real site and in my opinion is one of the few new races I welcome.

Of course one threat we have yet to see under the lights is rain, and it is always a threat here.

So F1 season is moving on some, and onto Round 14.



1
Nico Rosberg
Mercedes
238


2
Lewis Hamilton
Mercedes
216


3
Daniel Ricciardo
Red Bull
166


4
Valterri Bottas
Williams
122


5
Fernando Alonso
Ferrari
121


6
Sebastian Vettel
Red Bull
106


7
Jenson Button
Mclaren
72


8
Nico Hulkenberg
Force India
70


9
Felipe Massa
Williams
55


10
Kimi Raikkonen
Ferrari
41


11
Sergio Perez
Force India
39


12
Kevin Magnussen
Mclaren
38


13
Jean Eric Vergne
Toro Rosso
11


14
Romain Grosjean
Lotus
8


15
Dani Kyvat
Toro Rosso
8


16
Jules Bianchi
Marussia
2


17
Adrian Sutil
Sauber
0


18
Marcus Ericcson
Caterham
0


19
Pastor Maldonado
Lotus
0


20
Esteban Gutierrez
Sauber
0


21
Max Chilton
Marussia
0


22
Kamui Kobayashi
Caterham
0


23
Andrea Lotterer
Caterham
0





1
Mercedes
454


2
Red Bull
272


3
Williams
177


4
Ferrari
162


5
Mclaren
110


6
Force India
109


7
Toro Rosso
19


8
Lotus
8


9
Marussia
2


10
Sauber
0


11
Caterham
0




2014 Singapore GP

https://a.sidepodcast.com/content/2010/09/bridgestone_circuit_map_singapore.jpg

61 Laps

Lap Record: 1:45:599 - Kimi Raikkonen - Ferrari - 2008

Session Times - Local & (Uk -Sorry :vampire:)

FP1: 18:00-19:30 - (11:00 - 12:30)
FP 2: 21:30-23:00 -(14:30pm-16:00pm)

FP3: 18:00-19:00 - (11:00-12:00)
Quali: 21:00 - (14:00)

Race: 20:00 - (13:00)


Previous Winners

2008: Fernando Alonso - Renault
2009: Lewis Hamilton - Mclaren
2010: Fernando Alonso - Ferrari
2011: Sebastian Vettel - Red Bull
2012: Sebastian Vettel - Red Bull
2013: Sebastian Vettel - Red Bull

Multiple Winners
Sebastian Vettel - 3 wins
Fernando Alonso - 2 wins
Lewis Hamilton - 1 win

*So Sebastian Vettel has won the last 3 Singapore races in a row. I think he may struggle to keep that record up. This however is a track where anything can happen and maybe Alonso could win his 3rd or Lewis can win his second race.

Red Bull - 3 wins
Mclaren - 1 win
Ferrari - 1 win
Renault - 1 win


So there we go, not as many stats for this race, but it will certainly be a usual test for drivers and cars.

Interesting stat:

The longest on the 6 Grand Prix here so far is the 2012 race at 2:00:21.1 seconds while the shortest Grand Prix of the 6 is still a mammoth 1:56:06.3

So its going to be a long one.

Lets hope it is a spicy race that keeps the Championship fight on.

[Doc Austin]

I like it that Red Bull seems to think they have a chance here, It would be great to see someone beat Mercedes in a straight fight.

[Robinho]

Mechanical grip and acceleration and braking will be king here. RB might be closer to Merc here, but it's not like Monaco or Hungary, I don't think they have a great chance of winning, unless the Mercs self destruct again.

[The Black Knight]

I think Mercedes will be the king of the streets here. It's going to be very hard for any other team to challenge them in a straight fight. I'd love it if RB were able to challenge Mercedes here and Nico Rosberg went out of the race with a car blowing up. Fingers crossed that will happen to the cheat.

[jens]

Mercedes is the car to beat on every single circuit this year, so unless they have issues, it should be 1-2.

Wish next year would have at least a bit more variety in performance trends, though I suspect 2015 could be 1993 like 2014 is 1992 - Mercedes will still have a significant advantage though maybe ever-so-slightly reduced.

There are not many performance fluctuations throughout the field this year. Perhaps Red Bull can get the better of Williams this time, as Williams seems relatively not so strong on streets, while Red Bull is relatively stronger. Other than that I don't foresee any major shocks. With only weather, crashes and unexpected safety cars having the ability to cause an upheaval.


I think Mercedes will be the king of the streets here. It's going to be very hard for any other team to challenge them in a straight fight. I'd love it if RB were able to challenge Mercedes here and Nico Rosberg went out of the race with a car blowing up. Fingers crossed that will happen to the cheat.

It reminds me a lot how Garry Walker was wishing that Vettel would crash or blow up every race.:D Some things never change in life, just the names change - now Rosberg instead of Vettel.:p:

[Doc Austin]

It reminds me a lot how Garry Walker was wishing that Vettel would crash or blow up every race.:D Some things never change in life, just the names change - now Rosberg instead of Vettel.:p:

I'de like to see Rosberg not score any points just this one race. Then we would have a close championship again.

[Tazio]

Mercedes is the car to beat on every single circuit this year, so unless they have issues, it should be 1-2.

Wish next year would have at least a bit more variety in performance trends, though I suspect 2015 could be 1993 like 2014 is 1992 - Mercedes will still have a significant advantage though maybe ever-so-slightly reduced.

There are not many performance fluctuations throughout the field this year. Perhaps Red Bull can get the better of Williams this time, as Williams seems relatively not so strong on streets, while Red Bull is relatively stronger. Other than that I don't foresee any major shocks. With only weather, crashes and unexpected safety cars having the ability to cause an upheaval.
I agree whole heartedly. Mercedes is the best car on every track this season. I actually think that Williams has a good fighting chance to beat Red Bull here. Singapore is probably the most fuel demanding circuit on the calander, and that is where Williams excels and RB lack. Plus the super soft and soft combo my help give Williams the traction they lack. Of course everyone will get better traction because of the same reason so that may just be a wash. It really is hard to say what Williams will do because it seems the car is sensitive to temperature and climate change,




It reminds me a lot how Garry Walker was wishing that Vettel would crash or blow up every race.:D Some things never change in life, just the names change - now Rosberg instead of Vettel.:p: TBN used to be such a sensible lad, but this rivalry with Britney has really got him chaufed. I'm going to go out on a limb here (for no good reason) and suggest TBN is actually Black, which really doesn't add up to a hill of beans in this crazy mixed up world.

I'm going to go out on an even flimsier limb ,with nothing to really back up this assertion as he generally struggles on street circuits, but I see another podium for Felipe Baby, he may be on a roll, and a race win is in the cards.

Podium:

1) Felipe Baby

2) The Boss

3) Fred

Nico DNF



Feel free to ridicule the bejezzus out of me :p:

[The Black Knight]

It reminds me a lot how Garry Walker was wishing that Vettel would crash or blow up every race.:D Some things never change in life, just the names change - now Rosberg instead of Vettel.:p:

Yeah, there's always the villain. It makes it easier for Americans to follow anyway - good guy, bad guy :p

[The Black Knight]

TBN used to be such a sensible lad, but this rivalry with Britney has really got him chaufed. I'm going to go out on a limb here (for no good reason) and suggest TBN is actually Black, which really doesn't add up to a hill of beans in this crazy mixed up world.

I'm going to go out on a limb (with nothing to really back up this assertion as he generally struggles on street circuits but I see another podium for Felipe Baby, he may be on a roll, and the race win is in the cards.

Podium:

1) Felipe Baby

2) The Boss

3) Fred

Nico DNF



Feel free to ridicule the bejezzus out of me :p:

TBK not TBN. No, I'm not black ;)

[Tazio]

It makes it easier for Americans to follow anyway Fuck you asshole :kiss:

[edv]

Well, all prognostications may be off if the forecast from the F1 site proves to be true:

http://i.imgur.com/u9oMYwJ.jpg

[steveaki13]

I do not know the area, but in Malaysia it always predicts thunder and rain.

I think every year here we get the threat of thunderstorms in Singapore. so far we have not seen one really.

[Doc Austin]

I'de love to see them race at night in the rain.

[airshifter]

Podium:

1) Felipe Baby

2) The Boss

3) Fred

Nico DNF



Feel free to ridicule the bejezzus out of me :p:


You heard it here. Tazio predicts that Felipe is faster than Alonso! :laugh:

I'd like to see Felipe continue with good finishes, but to be honest I think the chances of Kimi standing on the top step are almost as good. And I don't see either of them beating Fernando at this track.


As for the haters and bashers, well haters gotta hate. I just tune them out.

[Tazio]

You heard it here. Tazio predicts that Felipe is faster than Alonso! :laugh:
There are several drivers faster than Fred this season, that ain't no big deal, but how many drivers can say that they have never had a teammate score more WDC points in the same car over the course of a full season for their entire career?



I'd like to see Felipe continue with good finishes, but to be honest I think the chances of Kimi standing on the top step are almost as good. And I don't see either of them beating Fernando at this track.
I guess well see, I think the Williams may be slippery fast around this track, and surprise a few people.



As for the haters and bashers, well haters gotta hate. I just tune them out.
I appreciate the advice, but that shit doesn't fly with me, especially from someone who has probably never even spent one day in this country.

[steveaki13]

Surely Taz predicted that Williams is faster than Ferrari rather than Felipe being faster than Fred ;)

[zako85]

We have seen Mercedes run into brake problems this season, and with radio "telemetry" banned, I think the mechanical reliability issues could affect the race again.

[Tazio]

Surely Taz predicted that Williams is faster than Ferrari rather than Felipe being faster than Fred ;)

I think Taz's prediction was borne out of a propensity to apply his fertile imagination.to analytical thinking. :confused: :p:

[longisland]

Oops, he did it again. No wonder RoGro moaned Lotus has stopped development for this season. They have to build a new car for Pastor every race. Pastor is making sure every penny is well spent

[Doc Austin]

We have seen Mercedes run into brake problems this season, and with radio "telemetry" banned, I think the mechanical reliability issues could affect the race again.

The FIA has changed the rules again: http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/fia-backtracks-on-car-performance-radio-clampdown I wonder if this new "interpretation" will last the weekend.

[Tazio]

Quali dawgs!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBShN8qT4lk

[Whyzars]

Jenson Button wins the best helmet award...

[Tazio]

Jenson Button wins the best helmet award...

Yeah, It's pretty sick :cool:

[Tazio]

What's up with Ferrari?

[Whyzars]

What's up with Ferrari?

I think the stewards will be holding little cups for the drivers to pee in. :)

They've been quick all weekend but I haven't heard what changes they've made so will wait to hear.

Alonso would put a pinto into the top ten but for Raikonnen to be clocking good times tells me that they've hit onto something solid. Good to see.

[Tazio]

Felipe Baby! :dork:

[Tazio]

Kimi :(

[N4D13]

Regardless of whom you support, you'll all have to admit that this has probably been one of the most exciting qualifying sessions of the last years.

[andyone]

Hamilton again.. awesome I hope he gets a better start this time, Riccardo beats vettel on qualifying.. Mr world champion

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[Tazio]

:stareup: 8.8/10 :dork:

[Bagwan]

Top two , seven thousandths apart .
Ninth guy only half a second behind .

Could be a fun race .

Good track , like a Monaco-wide .
Back markers are gonna play a role still , as they are way back , as usual , and there are a lot of corners .

Can't wait .
Me want race now . Ungawa .

[Tazio]

Kimi started looking very handy. before his electrical malfunction.

[truefan72]

Kimi started looking very handy. before his electrical malfunction.

yeah, it was a real shame we never got to see him at his best. but still p7 is not so bad

[Tazio]

:stareup: It's like his front end just came alive with the SS in quali! Yeah babe I think he's looking forward to the race mate! I'm hoping for Boss, probably Nico, Ric', Fred, then Felipe.

[steveaki13]

Wow

Close Qualifying session that one.

Its great to see so many cars so close. Its only cause of the circuit but I guess we could really have a fun race tomorrow.

Can't quite believe Nico was that gutted to be 2nd.

[easy rider]

After watching Lewis lockup into turn 1, felt that his run for pole was toast, but he still managed to pull it out, after what was a tremendous effort on his part

[Tazio]

Wow

Close Qualifying session that one.

Its great to see so many cars so close. Its only cause of the circuit but I guess we could really have a fun race tomorrow.

Can't quite believe Nico was that gutted to be 2nd.

He said "damn it!" the same way a spoiled little West L.A. MacBabe would; very effeminate :p:
and you freakin' guys know I still don't have a favorite between him and The Boss®,
but that reaction from Nico really sounded "effeminate"



:laugh:

[Warriwa]

Britney's in the wall lol

[journeyman racer]

There are several drivers faster than Fred this season, that ain't no big deal, but how many drivers can say that they have never had a teammate score more WDC points in the same car over the course of a full season for their entire career?
I think you're right! I'm going to check that later. That is an amazing stat, if true!

But the Hamilton army has been telling me Hamo thrashed him???

[Tazio]

I think you're right! I'm going to check that later. That is an amazing stat, if true!

But the Hamilton army has been telling me Hamo thrashed him???
well Boss® did thoroughly thrash, and dominated Fred in 2007, while somehow managing to score the same # of WDC points. :crazy: ;)
Cheers mate, enjoy the race :)

[steveaki13]

That is true of Alonso. Not including drivers who had one or two seasons and outscored a pants team mate, I have struggled to think of anyone with this sort of record.

2001 - Minardi = Alonso 0 pts to Marques/Yoong 0 pts (Alonso outperformed both by quite a bit)
2003 - Renault = Alonso 55pts to Trulli 33 pts
2004 - Renault = Alonso 59 pts to Trulli 46 pts & Villeneuve 0 pts
2005 - Renault = Alonso 133 pts to Fisichella 58 pts
2006 - Renault = Alonso 134 pts to Fisichella 72 pts
2007 - Mclaren = Alonso & Hamilton 109 pts ( The only season where a team mate has matched him realistically)
2008 - Renault = Alonso 61 pts to Nelson Piquet Jr 19 pts
2009 - Renault = Alonso 26 pts to Nelson Piquet Jr 0 pts & Romain Grosjean 0 pts
2010 - Ferrari = Alonso 252 pts to Felipe Massa 144 pts
2011 - Ferrari = Alonso 257 pts to Felipe Massa 118 pts
2012 - Ferrari = Alonso 278 pts to Felipe Massa 122 pts
2013 - Ferrari = Alonso 242 pts to Felipe Massa 112 pts
2014 - Ferrari = Alonso 121 pts to Kimi Raikkonen 41 pts (Current)

So if Alonso holds that, its 13 seasons 11 wins, 2 draws and 0 defeats which is amazing.

Looking back to find another top driver with a similar record might be tough.

Have not looked through all results obviously, but at a glance

Fangio lost the first F1 season to Farina
Senna & Prost lost to each other.
Schumacher lost to Rosberg and Irvine
Ascari lost to Fagioli in 1950 so he is out.
Stewart lost to Hill in his first season
Clark lost to Ireland in his first season so is out.
Lauda was beaten in his first season by Beltoise

So although there are many more to look through, Alonso is alone in being out scored by a team mate so far.

Although Lewis edged him out on results, however both scored 109 points

[steveaki13]

Great Stat to search for Taz. :)

[Tazio]

Morning dawgz :wave:
Nico in trouble?

[steveaki13]

Vettel is looking like losing his first full season to a team mate in 2014. However in 2007 his part season, he was beaten by BMW drivers in the fact he won 1 race and he actually beat his Toro Rosso team mates.

So take out one race and Seb has yet to be beaten over a season by a team mate. Until this season is over maybe

[Tazio]

Ready for a long race boyz?

[Koz]

Hey guys!

[Koz]

Rosberg?!!

[Tazio]

Rosberg not away!!

[steveaki13]

Rosberg going to start last or not at all :eek: :(

Mercedes giving Red Bull another win maybe

[donKey jote]

balls :dozey:

stoopid German cheat team cheating our nico again :mad: :devil: :sailor:

[Tazio]

Koz :wave:

[donKey jote]

err hi gurlz :wave: :D

[steveaki13]

Kobayashi out too :confused:

[steveaki13]

Hi guys by the way

[Tazio]

Rosberg going to start last or not at all :eek: :(

Mercedes giving Red Bull another win maybeDouble Ferrari podium! :idea:

[Whyzars]

Alonso T-boned an invisible wall at the first corner. Has to be a drive through surely.

[donKey jote]

Ric being taught how to drive over the radio :p

[longisland]

Fred got away skot free. That's Ferrari power!

[steveaki13]

Dull Race ;)

[Tazio]

Fair call by the stewards. Fred was avoiding the car in front!

[donKey jote]

singabore yawn :andrea:

[Koz]

Why don't they just retire him and save the engine?

They are wasting it same as Ham at Spa...

[steveaki13]

Koz. Rosberg is going to wait until Hamilton laps him and then ram him off. :p

[veeten]

Double Ferrari podium! :idea:

and then, he wakes up... :p

[donKey jote]

Ros got screwed :(

[veeten]

"we are experiencing technical difficulties. Please stand by..." :p

[steveaki13]

Rosberg out. They might as well save the engine, because that Merc is F*****

Of course its not game over, cause Hamilton could easily retire still.

[Tazio]

and then, he wakes up... :pYup Kimi is just too slow today. I was thinking he might be faster than Fred today!

[Tazio]

Fred's comming after Seb!

[Koz]

Kimi woke up?

And, he fell asleep again.

[steveaki13]

Alonso up to 2nd basically and only 3.5 seconds behind Lewis.

[donKey jote]

Ham wakes up :dozey: :p

[donKey jote]

oh great, SC lottery :dozey:

[steveaki13]

Stewards pumping their fists. Yes a chance to put the SC out.

"Show improver alert" :D

[Tazio]

Alonso: god not a god? :angel:

[Koz]

I think Alonso has it in the bag now.

[Tazio]

how did he drop to 4th?

[Koz]

Pit for primes.

[steveaki13]

How long is this SC gonna be out??????????????????????

and we still have to having unlapping backmarkers

[steveaki13]

how did he drop to 4th?

Didn't he pit for a 3rd time while Red Bulls stayed out. He was only 5 seconds ahead

[Tazio]

Thanks K', I keep loosing my video stream. So it does look good for Fred and Kimi cause I know he stopped :)

[steveaki13]

2 hour race incoming

[Tazio]

Didn't he pit for a 3rd time while Red Bulls stayed out. He was only 5 seconds ahead
Thanks mate!

[Koz]

Two more laps? Geez.

[steveaki13]

bloody SC rules suck dawgs

[steveaki13]

Hamilton has a massive job to win this race now.

Several cars don't have to stop again

[Tazio]

I think Alonso has it in the bag now.

Nope, Boss!

[Koz]

Damn :(

[donKey jote]

quick somebody wake me up for the anti-climax :dozey: :p

[Koz]

Can Vettel hang on?

[donKey jote]

of course he can
multi 2-1 :p

[steveaki13]

wow a good end after an average start and middle.

[truefan72]

yes,

I am very pleased today

Drivers of the race
Hamilton
Vergne
Vettel

[Tazio]

Good race mates! :)

[Tazio]

DotR:
JEV, Fred, Danny Boy, Vettel, and than Boss,

[journeyman racer]

This should keep the Hamilton sooks quiet for...2 days.

[Zico]

This should keep the Hamilton sooks quiet for...2 days.


....and really get to the Hammy haters. ;)

[The Black Knight]

....and really get to the Hammy haters. ;)

Delighted now! It's Great that cheat face Nico didn't finish the race. What goes around comes around and he got his today the little runt! It would be a shame to have a cheat like Rosberg win the WDC so let's hope Hamilton's momentum continues.

[Tazio]

Massa whupps Bottas again, Sorry Jens!

[airshifter]

But Felipe was slower than Alonso Taz dawg! :laugh:

Lots of good drives today. Unlike Fred to screw up the first corner, but I think the stewards made the right call. Sucks to be Jenson today.

I think the race would have been much better with tires that weren't so far apart. Tire strategy along with the safety car dictated most of the result IMO. Even the drivers charging hard couldn't make the tires work to get by someone on the same tires unless there was a huge performance gap.

Still a good race, but I feel like we got robbed of a potentially much better race.

[Doc Austin]

Disappointed Rosberg tells Mercedes to improve reliability (http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/disappointed-rosberg-tells-mercedes-to-improve-reliability)

How strange it is that Rosberg wasn't complaining so much when all the trouble was hitting Lewis' car!
All the times Hamilton's car blew up, puked out or burst into flames, and he never pointed a finger at the team. Rosberg has a problem and suddenly "We have already had several problems with reliability this year."

Nico can complain all he wants, but he still has less DNFs than his teammate.

[A FONDO]

Well said Doc, Rosberg is such a sissy, not surprising he is getting booed so often!

[steveaki13]

I think Nico is perfectly entitled to demand better reliability. He is fighting for a Championship here and anything he can say or do to help him slightly is fair enough really.

Yes Hamilton has had more issues on the whole, but what driver does not moan about his car breaking down?

Nothing unusual in my view.

[Tazio]

I think Nico is perfectly entitled to demand better reliability. He is fighting for a Championship here and anything he can say or do to help him slightly is fair enough really.

Yes Hamilton has had more issues on the whole, but what driver does not moan about his car breaking down?

Nothing unusual in my view.I agree Steve, so fanboy lame. :rolleyes: :rotflmao:

[airshifter]

Though every driver wants a 100% reliable car, neither Nico or Lewis have anything valid to moan about IMO. They have a grossly dominant car, that even with it's failures, is allowing them both to lead the WDC points. There are a host of other cars not nearly as fast dealing with reliability problems as well.

Of the 52 race DNFs caused by car problems, only 4 of them belong to Mercedes. The only cars more reliable have been Williams, Ferrari, Force India, RB, and Marussia. But none of those cars is even close in term of performance, even with some great drivers in some of them. Lotus leads the season in car failures with 11 DNFs directly due to the car.

Total DNFs caused by car failures is below 17% for the year, not great but far from the days of engines that would grenade at the drop of a hat.

[dj_bytedisaster]

Disappointed Rosberg tells Mercedes to improve reliability (http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/disappointed-rosberg-tells-mercedes-to-improve-reliability)

How strange it is that Rosberg wasn't complaining so much when all the trouble was hitting Lewis' car!
All the times Hamilton's car blew up, puked out or burst into flames, and he never pointed a finger at the team. Rosberg has a problem and suddenly "We have already had several problems with reliability this year."

Nico can complain all he wants, but he still has less DNFs than his teammate.

As far as I can remember, both of them had two? How is 2 more than two?

[steveaki13]

Arguements aside.

The fact is Rosberg has retired twice and Hamilton three times for whatever reason.

Hamilton retired in Melbourne, Montreal & Spa

[Doc Austin]

As far as I can remember, both of them had two?

Perhaps you don't remember correctly.

[dj_bytedisaster]

Arguements aside.

The fact is Rosberg has retired twice and Hamilton three times for whatever reason.

Hamilton retired in Melbourne, Montreal & Spa

Spa was a racing incident for everyone but Lauda and Wolff, not a mechanical failure.

[Doc Austin]

Spa was a racing incident for everyone but Lauda and Wolff, not a mechanical failure.

It's still a DNF. You were arguing my statement which said:


Nico can complain all he wants, but he still has less DNFs than his teammate

I didn't say a word about the cause of either driver's DNFs. DNF means did not finish. If you are going to argue with what I have said, try knowing what I actually said.

[journeyman racer]

This should keep the Hamilton sooks quiet for...2 days.
lol This is my single most liked post. It even got Zico to press the button!

But it seems I have underestimated the power of a Hamilton Sookinator. This, just two hours after my post!


Disappointed Rosberg tells Mercedes to improve reliability (http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/disappointed-rosberg-tells-mercedes-to-improve-reliability)

How strange it is that Rosberg wasn't complaining so much when all the trouble was hitting Lewis' car!
All the times Hamilton's car blew up, puked out or burst into flames, and he never pointed a finger at the team. Rosberg has a problem and suddenly "We have already had several problems with reliability this year."

Garbage post. Cherry picking quotes to suit your position. I'd expect this kind of tripe from Knighty boy and (not really a) truefan. If you weren't so full of it, you'd acknowledge Steveaki13's reasonable post. if anything, you should be whacking Nico for being a Captain Obvious. But no, let's pick on a topical article. I wonder if his quote came from a specifically worded question? Just pathetic reasoning.


Nico can complain all he wants, but he still has less DNFs than his teammate.
First of all, he wasn't complaining. Just stating a point.

To expose this garbage for what it is. You've conveniently chosen words to make out that Rosberg has still won out, an Hamilton is still a victim.

"but he still has less DNFs than his teammate" -

-To someone who wouldn't know, they'd think Rosberg has had less misfortune. However, it's not Rosberg's fault Hamilton tanked it in in Belgium. So in that regard, the score is 2-2.

- While Hamilton retired in Canada. It fails to acknowledge that Rosberg had the exact problem, at the same time. It's just that Rosberg's driving was good enough to not destroy the car. So really, Hamo has only had one dnf due to mechanical failure.

- Of that single failure in Melbourne, Rosberg was ahead.

- When Hamilton has had a problem in qualifying. He's still had an opportunity to make up for it in the race. In Hungary, starting from the rear (as a result of mechanical problem) actually benefitted Hamilton.

- Rosberg is the only driver to be denied a win, due to mechanical failure.

- in 2008, Hamilton won the title by a point. He did not have a single mechanical failure. Massa, who finished second, had a few. Massa also had a some non driving errors affect him )like the pit release in Singapore.

Give yourself an uppercut.

[Doc Austin]

Garbage post. Cherry picking quotes to suit your position.

I posted a link to the entire article so that reasonable people could make up their own minds.


If you weren't so full of it.........

I guess anyone who sucks at rational debate could always make it personal.


But no, let's pick on a topical article.

Like I said, I posted a link to the entire article so that reasonable people could make up their own minds. Apparently we have some people here who are not all that reasonable.

[journeyman racer]

I posted a link to the entire article so that reasonable people could make up their own minds.



I guess anyone who sucks at rational debate could always make it personal.



Like I said, I posted a link to the entire article so that reasonable people could make up their own minds.



Give yourself an enema.
Couldn't even have a rational opinion on Rosberg's comment, and you're trying to play the straight man? Spare me.

[Doc Austin]

Couldn't even have a rational opinion on Rosberg's comment, and you're trying to play the straight man?

I made my comments (http://www.motorsportforums.com/showthread.php?34656-2014-Singapore-Grand-Prix-Thread&p=1016988&viewfull=1#post1016988) when I posted the link to the entire article. I'm perfectly willing to let people read the article and make up their own minds.

[Tazio]

Lol Doc, you'/re trying to trash talk Nico for saying:

We have already had several problems with reliability this year ... This is our weakness

"I had no hybrid power, no DRS. The gearbox was always changing two gears at once.
"I had hoped we could fix it at the pitstop, but in the end, nothing worked,"
http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/disappointed-rosberg-tells-mercedes-to-improve-reliability
after a race?????? to Auto Motor und Sport, a German publication???? That is so weak dude, get a fanboy grip dawg.

[Tazio]

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/sport/motorsport/formula-one-driver-kevin-magnussen-suffered-burnt-backside-in-singapore-grand-prix-20140922-10ka46.html
:angryfire

[steveaki13]

Spa was a racing incident for everyone but Lauda and Wolff, not a mechanical failure.

It was a retirement though. 2 v 3

[zako85]

I have a few thoughts:

1. Overall, a pretty average or even boring race. The 18 minute safety car period did not help with the excitement. There was some good action in the end.

2. That damn Perez. What a CHEAT! He tried to puncture Sutil's tire just like Rosberg did to Hamilton in Belgium (NOT..) I hope that Black Night agrees that everyone who clips his own wing against another car's tire must be a cheat.


3. Hamilton and Rosberg are now even with respect to race-ending car failures.

4. I think Hamilton leads the championship for the first time this year

5. The championship is as alive as ever.

[zako85]

I think Nico is perfectly entitled to demand better reliability. He is fighting for a Championship here and anything he can say or do to help him slightly is fair enough really.

Yes Hamilton has had more issues on the whole, but what driver does not moan about his car breaking down?

Nothing unusual in my view.


Did Hamilton really have more mechanical issues? I think Hamilton and Rosberg are now even with respect to technical DNFs. Both had a couple of DNFs because of the car.

[Mifune]

lol This is my single most liked post. It even got Zico to press the button!

But it seems I have underestimated the power of a Hamilton Sookinator. This, just two hours after my post!



Garbage post. Cherry picking quotes to suit your position. I'd expect this kind of tripe from Knighty boy and (not really a) truefan. If you weren't so full of it, you'd acknowledge Steveaki13's reasonable post. if anything, you should be whacking Nico for being a Captain Obvious. But no, let's pick on a topical article. I wonder if his quote came from a specifically worded question? Just pathetic reasoning.


First of all, he wasn't complaining. Just stating a point.

To expose this garbage for what it is. You've conveniently chosen words to make out that Rosberg has still won out, an Hamilton is still a victim.

"but he still has less DNFs than his teammate" -

-To someone who wouldn't know, they'd think Rosberg has had less misfortune. However, it's not Rosberg's fault Hamilton tanked it in in Belgium. So in that regard, the score is 2-2.

- While Hamilton retired in Canada. It fails to acknowledge that Rosberg had the exact problem, at the same time. It's just that Rosberg's driving was good enough to not destroy the car. So really, Hamo has only had one dnf due to mechanical failure.

- Of that single failure in Melbourne, Rosberg was ahead.

- When Hamilton has had a problem in qualifying. He's still had an opportunity to make up for it in the race. In Hungary, starting from the rear (as a result of mechanical problem) actually benefitted Hamilton.

- Rosberg is the only driver to be denied a win, due to mechanical failure.

- in 2008, Hamilton won the title by a point. He did not have a single mechanical failure. Massa, who finished second, had a few. Massa also had a some non driving errors affect him )like the pit release in Singapore.

Give yourself an uppercut.

tl;dr

[journeyman racer]

4. I think Hamilton leads the championship for the first time this year.
Led after Spain.


tl;dr
Who gives a ****?

[journeyman racer]

Delighted now! It's Great that cheat face Nico didn't finish the race. What goes around comes around and he got his today the little runt! It would be a shame to have a cheat like Rosberg win the WDC so let's hope Hamilton's momentum continues.
You should temper your delight. This season isn't over yet. There's still a long way to go. Your hero still has plenty of time to stuff it up on his own (like he has in the past). What you really wanted was for this to happen at the last race. It's like in American football, when you make a lead changing score late in the game. But still give the opposition offence enough time to get the lead back. Hamilton had to run the clock down. He should've tanked it (similar to what he did in Belgium) and finished 3rd or 4th. That way, he still closes right in the points. But he can still use "the negative vibe" that seems to be working for him atm. I

n a funny way, Rosberg would had more pressure on him in the next race, had Hamilton closed in 10-15 points. Had he closed in slowly, instead of making it all up in one hit. Now, the pressure is off Rosberg, and he can go for it a bit more.

It's worse for you now. Everything in the past has been neutralised. From now on, you can't do your favourite hobby. Which is to piss and moan about Rosberg, without looking like an even bigger dill. Because Hamilton is now leading the title.

[Tazio]

It's Great that cheat face



your favourite hobby. Which is to piss and moan about Rosberg, without looking like an even bigger dill. .
Lol TBK still acting like a total dildo. How old are you, like 15 :laugh:

[airshifter]

lol This is my single most liked post. It even got Zico to press the button!

But it seems I have underestimated the power of a Hamilton Sookinator. This, just two hours after my post!



Garbage post. Cherry picking quotes to suit your position. I'd expect this kind of tripe from Knighty boy and (not really a) truefan. If you weren't so full of it, you'd acknowledge Steveaki13's reasonable post. if anything, you should be whacking Nico for being a Captain Obvious. But no, let's pick on a topical article. I wonder if his quote came from a specifically worded question? Just pathetic reasoning.


First of all, he wasn't complaining. Just stating a point.

To expose this garbage for what it is. You've conveniently chosen words to make out that Rosberg has still won out, an Hamilton is still a victim.

"but he still has less DNFs than his teammate" -

-To someone who wouldn't know, they'd think Rosberg has had less misfortune. However, it's not Rosberg's fault Hamilton tanked it in in Belgium. So in that regard, the score is 2-2.

- While Hamilton retired in Canada. It fails to acknowledge that Rosberg had the exact problem, at the same time. It's just that Rosberg's driving was good enough to not destroy the car. So really, Hamo has only had one dnf due to mechanical failure.

- Of that single failure in Melbourne, Rosberg was ahead.

- When Hamilton has had a problem in qualifying. He's still had an opportunity to make up for it in the race. In Hungary, starting from the rear (as a result of mechanical problem) actually benefitted Hamilton.

- Rosberg is the only driver to be denied a win, due to mechanical failure.

- in 2008, Hamilton won the title by a point. He did not have a single mechanical failure. Massa, who finished second, had a few. Massa also had a some non driving errors affect him )like the pit release in Singapore.

Give yourself an uppercut.

IMO the above post is most cherry picking than anyone else.

Melbourne was a car failure for Lewis. Nobody stated he would beat Nico, they stated it was a DNF due to mechanical failure. Zero points is always beaten by finishing in the points

It's a benefit starting from the rear? :laugh: The only benefit was pure luck, not starting from the rear of the pack.

As for Canada, Lewis had issues first and by the time they applied damage control his brakes were already shot. Nico had the benefit of the team having him adjust driving and brake bias before his car was in the same condition.


From the outside looking in, it appears to me you are likely a Lewis basher while claiming others are fanbois. Viewed without bias facts are still facts, and the fact remains that both cars are still very fast and overall have few DNFs due to mechanical issues.

The score of DNFs is now even, and Lewis is ahead in points. That could always change. What I think most want is a fair battle since the car is obviously superior to everything else in the field. I personally don't care which driver wins the title, but I'd hate for either to win it due only to the misfortune of the other, or for that matter due to the wonky IMO double points final race.

There are a couple at least that defend one driver at all costs, but when you seem to attack one driver at all costs it's hardly an example of being less biased IMO.

[The Black Knight]

I have a few thoughts:

1. Overall, a pretty average or even boring race. The 18 minute safety car period did not help with the excitement. There was some good action in the end.

2. That damn Perez. What a CHEAT! He tried to puncture Sutil's tire just like Rosberg did to Hamilton in Belgium (NOT..) I hope that Black Night agrees that everyone who clips his own wing against another car's tire must be a cheat.


3. Hamilton and Rosberg are now even with respect to race-ending car failures.

4. I think Hamilton leads the championship for the first time this year

5. The championship is as alive as ever.

Completely different incidents what happened with Perez and Sutil.


lol This is my single most liked post. It even got Zico to press the button!

But it seems I have underestimated the power of a Hamilton Sookinator. This, just two hours after my post!



Garbage post. Cherry picking quotes to suit your position. I'd expect this kind of tripe from Knighty boy and (not really a) truefan. If you weren't so full of it, you'd acknowledge Steveaki13's reasonable post. if anything, you should be whacking Nico for being a Captain Obvious. But no, let's pick on a topical article. I wonder if his quote came from a specifically worded question? Just pathetic reasoning.


First of all, he wasn't complaining. Just stating a point.

To expose this garbage for what it is. You've conveniently chosen words to make out that Rosberg has still won out, an Hamilton is still a victim.

"but he still has less DNFs than his teammate" -

-To someone who wouldn't know, they'd think Rosberg has had less misfortune. However, it's not Rosberg's fault Hamilton tanked it in in Belgium. So in that regard, the score is 2-2.

- While Hamilton retired in Canada. It fails to acknowledge that Rosberg had the exact problem, at the same time. It's just that Rosberg's driving was good enough to not destroy the car. So really, Hamo has only had one dnf due to mechanical failure.

- Of that single failure in Melbourne, Rosberg was ahead.

- When Hamilton has had a problem in qualifying. He's still had an opportunity to make up for it in the race. In Hungary, starting from the rear (as a result of mechanical problem) actually benefitted Hamilton.

- Rosberg is the only driver to be denied a win, due to mechanical failure.

- in 2008, Hamilton won the title by a point. He did not have a single mechanical failure. Massa, who finished second, had a few. Massa also had a some non driving errors affect him )like the pit release in Singapore.

Give yourself an uppercut.

Hamilton does have more DNF's than his teammate one of them caused by Rosberg cheating in Spa and he also lost 7 other points to Nico's cheating in Monaco. He also probably lost two race wins due to car failures in qualifying so that's an extra 20 points there.

For Canada, Rosberg was able to manage his car because he wasn't stuck in Hamilton's turbulent air all race. Were it the other way around and had Rosberg been stuck in Hamilton's turbulent air the entire race then I doubt Rosberg would have been able to bring it home as he did.

Starting from the pitlane benefited Hamilton? Are you actually delusional enough that you actually believe that starting from the pits could ever been of benefit to anyone? He got up to third because he drove an amazing race in both Germany and Hungary. Yes, the safety car helped him a bit but to gain so much ground on a track link Hungary and so as many overtakes as he did is amazing, imo.

Hamilton has been denied in Australia due to mechanical failure. His issues began the formation lap and that's why Rosberg lead into the first corner.

Massa also had a better car in 2008 and Hamilton won the title in the second best car.

Give yourself an uppercut.


You should temper your delight. This season isn't over yet. There's still a long way to go. Your hero still has plenty of time to stuff it up on his own (like he has in the past). What you really wanted was for this to happen at the last race. It's like in American football, when you make a lead changing score late in the game. But still give the opposition offence enough time to get the lead back. Hamilton had to run the clock down. He should've tanked it (similar to what he did in Belgium) and finished 3rd or 4th. That way, he still closes right in the points. But he can still use "the negative vibe" that seems to be working for him atm. I

n a funny way, Rosberg would had more pressure on him in the next race, had Hamilton closed in 10-15 points. Had he closed in slowly, instead of making it all up in one hit. Now, the pressure is off Rosberg, and he can go for it a bit more.

It's worse for you now. Everything in the past has been neutralised. From now on, you can't do your favourite hobby. Which is to piss and moan about Rosberg, without looking like an even bigger dill. Because Hamilton is now leading the title.

Actually I think that Rosberg has more pressure on him now than ever. See, now he knows he won't get away with cheating for a 3rd time in the season, so he is going to have to beat Hamilton on the track without sorting to dirty tricks like he did in Monaco and Spa. Now the pressure is really on him :D

[Tazio]

IMO the above post is most cherry picking than anyone else.

Melbourne was a car failure for Lewis. Nobody stated he would beat Nico, they stated it was a DNF due to mechanical failure. Zero points is always beaten by finishing in the points

It's a benefit starting from the rear? :laugh: The only benefit was pure luck, not starting from the rear of the pack.

As for Canada, Lewis had issues first and by the time they applied damage control his brakes were already shot. Nico had the benefit of the team having him adjust driving and brake bias before his car was in the same condition.


From the outside looking in, it appears to me you are likely a Lewis basher while claiming others are fanbois. Viewed without bias facts are still facts, and the fact remains that both cars are still very fast and overall have few DNFs due to mechanical issues.

The score of DNFs is now even, and Lewis is ahead in points. That could always change. What I think most want is a fair battle since the car is obviously superior to everything else in the field. I personally don't care which driver wins the title, but I'd hate for either to win it due only to the misfortune of the other, or for that matter due to the wonky IMO double points final race.

There are a couple at least that defend one driver at all costs, but when you seem to attack one driver at all costs it's hardly an example of being less biased IMO.That doesn't change the fact that TBK is a total lick, and his "cheat face" comments have become decidedly boring, and gay. :angel:

[Tazio]

I have a few thoughts:



2. That damn Perez. What a CHEAT! He tried to puncture Sutil's tire just like Rosberg did to Hamilton in Belgium (NOT..) I hope that Black Night agrees that everyone who clips his own wing against another car's tire must be a cheat.





Well stated mate, TBK is totally off the hook/down the road wacko! I guess it is "The Mist" :laugh:

[Doc Austin]

Lol Doc, you'/re trying to trash talk Nico for saying:

I posted the link so people could read the whole thing in it's complete context and make up their own minds. For people who can't read it for themselves and then make up their own mind, perhaps intellectual debate isn't their thing.

All I did was post a like to an article and a few people lost their minds over it. I did not write the article. I just posted it.


........to Auto Motor und Sport, a German publication????

Perhaps if you click the link you'll see it goes to Motorsports.com, which last time I checked, is a credible source.


That is so weak dude, get a fanboy grip dawg.

If you're going to start calling names instead debating fairly, guess who looks bad?

[Tazio]

I posted the link so people could read the whole thing in it's complete context and make up their own minds. For people who can't read it for themselves and then make up their own mind, perhaps intellectual debate isn't their thing.?Perhaps if you click the link you'll see it goes to Motorsports.com, which last time I checked, is a credible source?No, you added commentary when it was obvious Nico was speaking , and simply explaining what went wrong in his native language to a German publication Sherlock :crazy:


How strange it is that Rosberg wasn't complaining so much when all the trouble was hitting Lewis' car!
You're the one who needs to read the articles you post so you can understand the context Doc!



Retatrded????? Maybe you should read your own freakin' link Einstein:


http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/disappointed-rosberg-tells-mercedes-to-improve-reliability"
I had no hybrid power, no DRS. The gearbox was always changing two gears at once.
"I had hoped we could fix it at the pitstop, but in the end, nothing worked," Rosberg is quoted by Germany's Auto Motor und Sport.

That article was just translated from:
Auto Motor und Sport. Read much genius?



you're going to start calling names instead debating fairly, guess who looks bad?You are dead wrong, and either ignorant, a liar, or both!

[The Black Knight]

I posted the link so people could read the whole thing in it's complete context and make up their own minds. For people who can't read it for themselves and then make up their own mind, perhaps intellectual debate isn't their thing.

All I did was post a like to an article and a few people lost their minds over it. I did not write the article. I just posted it.



Perhaps if you click the link you'll see it goes to Motorsports.com, which last time I checked, is a credible source.



If you're going to start calling names instead debating fairly, guess who looks bad?

Attack is the last form of defense. He fell foul of it. You've already won this one mate :)

[Tazio]

.....and quoiting someone who doesn't even understand his source material make you even more ignorant then Doc :laugh:

[racingmax420]

hi all
where I can watch the video at the start Sigapore F1?

[Doc Austin]

You are dead wrong, and either ignorant, a liar, or both!

There's no point in debating people who have nothing but insults.

I merely posted a link and offered my opinion on it. If you don't like what's in the link, take it up with them.

If you don't like my opinion, that's fine. It's just sad that you are incapable of expressing yours like an adult.

Again, it looks like fair debating is too much for you. I didn't insult a single person, and yet you called me retarded, ignorant, and a liar.

Try using this as your avatar, because it certainly suits you...............


http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-6nh2Ar0QO-w/UjDsPab4xiI/AAAAAAAAEAk/BRAMkz-bmkA/s1600/writing_process+-+Copy.gif

[truefan72]

I made my comments (http://www.motorsportforums.com/showthread.php?34656-2014-Singapore-Grand-Prix-Thread&p=1016988&viewfull=1#post1016988) when I posted the link to the entire article. I'm perfectly willing to let people read the article and make up their own minds.

I wouldn't waste my time Doc
Certain posters have only one thing in mind on these forums, reason having been lost a long time ago in their travels

[Doc Austin]

.....and quoiting someone who doesn't even understand his source material make you even more ignorant then Doc :laugh:

It's funny to see you write about ignorance and then make the ignorant mistake of saying "Then Doc" instead of the proper "than Doc." A silly mistake to be sure, but don't underline your own ignorance by posting ignorant stuff.

We learned the difference between "then" and "than" in the second grade. Now we know who slept through it.



Attack is the last form of defense. He fell foul of it. You've already won this one mate :)

Thanks. There's no need to insult the guy because he's already humiliated himself.

Go, Taz, go!



http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-6nh2Ar0QO-w/UjDsPab4xiI/AAAAAAAAEAk/BRAMkz-bmkA/s1600/writing_process+-+Copy.gif

[Tazio]

You are the one that said Nico was complaining, I correctly pointed out that he was explaining it to a German publication in German for their benefit. You've changed your story from;" I just posted information" to "I made editorial comments on the content"(which you had no clue about the context.because your reading skills are preschool level) I just set the record straight, Also so sorry for the typo, some of us work for a living

[journeyman racer]

IMO the above post is most cherry picking than anyone else.
Orly?


Melbourne was a car failure for Lewis. Nobody stated he would beat Nico, they stated it was a DNF due to mechanical failure. Zero points is always beaten by finishing in the points
Yeah. Some on here have been whinging and whinging and whinging, and lamenting, about how Hamilton had 1 mechanical breakdown in Melbourne. They were having a breakdown themselves about it.


It's a benefit starting from the rear? :laugh: The only benefit was pure luck, not starting from the rear of the pack.
LOL! Yes. Hamilton did have "pure luck". At Hungary in particular. They were your words. Not mine :o




As for Canada, Lewis had issues first and by the time they applied damage control his brakes were already shot. Nico had the benefit of the team having him adjust driving and brake bias before his car was in the same condition.
Bow. Long.

[journeyman racer]

Hamilton does have more DNF's than his teammate one of them caused by Rosberg cheating in Spa and he also lost 7 other points to Nico's cheating in Monaco. He also probably lost two race wins due to car failures in qualifying so that's an extra 20 points there.
Wrong. You're just crying. Also, the growing opinion was that Rosberg "gave" the win at Monza.


For Canada, Rosberg was able to manage his car because he wasn't stuck in Hamilton's turbulent air all race. Were it the other way around and had Rosberg been stuck in Hamilton's turbulent air the entire race then I doubt Rosberg would have been able to bring it home as he did.LOL! What? It's Rosberg's problem that he was legitimately ahead? You're just making poo up now. What do you want Rosberg to do? "Hey Lewis. I'll lead for 10 laps. The I'll let you past for 10 laps. SO we both can have an equal amount of time in the dirty air?" Suck it up up.


Starting from the pitlane benefited Hamilton? Are you actually delusional enough that you actually believe that starting from the pits could ever been of benefit to anyone? He got up to third because he drove an amazing race in both Germany and Hungary. Yes, the safety car helped him a bit but to gain so much ground on a track link Hungary and so as many overtakes as he did is amazing, imo.
LOL! You've contradicted yourself. Who is the delusional one?

I'll admit he drove good races as well...In a car 3 secs a lap quicker than others...



Hamilton has been denied in Australia due to mechanical failure. His issues began the formation lap and that's why Rosberg lead into the first corner.
I'll pay that. However, it's not Rosberg's problem. It didn't warrant incessant whinging about how "unlucky" Hamilton was. Particularly in hindsight now, it's proven to be he's been fortunate.


Massa also had a better car in 2008 and Hamilton won the title in the second best car.
LOL! Even if the Ferrari was better. It was hardly a significant amount. Even then, Massa would've won the title had he not had more mechanical failures than Hamilton (particularly Hungary. where Massa broke down down while clearly leading with 3 laps to go. Hamilton was nowhere). There was also that year's Monaco GP. Hamilton was extremely lucky to win the race. And in turn, he was lucky to be champ. Oh yes he was!

[pino]

Ok guys, could we continue this without insults, name calling, or personal comments, thank you !

[airshifter]

Orly?


Yeah. Some on here have been whinging and whinging and whinging, and lamenting, about how Hamilton had 1 mechanical breakdown in Melbourne. They were having a breakdown themselves about it.


LOL! Yes. Hamilton did have "pure luck". At Hungary in particular. They were your words. Not mine :o




Bow. Long.

I'm really not quite sure what you're going on with this about, but it seems to me you're trying to balance out the Hamilton "fanboi" squad by being the Hamilton "hater" squad.

To try to say that starting from the back of the pack is an advantage is just nonsense. If that was the case we would see cars fall out of 1st qually trying to be slower than the others. What has happened for Lewis was simply luck, timing of the safety car. But that timing of the safety car could have just as well benefited others..... it was nothing more than the luck of timing.

I've done no whinging about the mechanical DNFs. I see it as 2-2 and as for the cut tire, I saw it as a racing incident caused as much by Lewis as by Nico. The only reason mechanical DNFs matter to me is simple. The Mercedes is the dominant car, and if one of the two breaks more often the other is likely to get the WDC. I really don't care which of them get it, but I hope they get it on an even chance vs their team mate. And I really hope whoever is behind at the last race doesn't win the title due to the wonky double points thing.

I don't lose any sleep regardless of who wins, I just prefer when drivers win on merit of their driving. Being the Mercedes is so dominant we probably only have two potential WDCs, so for me personally that takes a lot of the excitement out of the picture.

[The Black Knight]

Wrong. You're just crying. Also, the growing opinion was that Rosberg "gave" the win at Monza.

No, it's absolutely 100% correct. You only have to open your eyes and look at what has happened. If you can't, that's fine, I don't mind :) Also, if he did give the win to Hamilton in Monza then that's proper order as far as I am concerned given that he cheated in Spa and Monaco.


LOL! What? It's Rosberg's problem that he was legitimately ahead? You're just making poo up now. What do you want Rosberg to do? "Hey Lewis. I'll lead for 10 laps. The I'll let you past for 10 laps. SO we both can have an equal amount of time in the dirty air?" Suck it up up.

No, I'm just saying that it wasn't any spectacular special ability that enabled him to survive to the end of the race, which is the impression your post conveyed.


LOL! You've contradicted yourself. Who is the delusional one?

I'll admit he drove good races as well...In a car 3 secs a lap quicker than others...

No contradiction there at all. The safety car did benefit him but starting from the pits didn't. It wa sjust the timing of the car safety car played to his advantage. This isn't really a hard concept to understand, and the Merc is not 3 seconds a lap quicker than the other cars, certainly not in Hungary either.


I'll pay that. However, it's not Rosberg's problem. It didn't warrant incessant whinging about how "unlucky" Hamilton was. Particularly in hindsight now, it's proven to be he's been fortunate.

Never said it was Rosberg's problem, just another exampole of how mechanical failures have cost Hamilton more than they have cost Rosberg and he still lead the WDC now.


LOL! Even if the Ferrari was better. It was hardly a significant amount. Even then, Massa would've won the title had he not had more mechanical failures than Hamilton (particularly Hungary. where Massa broke down down while clearly leading with 3 laps to go. Hamilton was nowhere). There was also that year's Monaco GP. Hamilton was extremely lucky to win the race. And in turn, he was lucky to be champ. Oh yes he was!

I'll agree that there was some luck involved but I don't think there are much that would deny he deserved it as he was also mighty unlucky not to win it the year before in his rookie year. All he needed was 3 points from the last two races in 2007. It was harder to lose the WDC at that point than not win it and McLaren managed to successfully stuff that up for him by their own admission.

[Tazio]

Disappointed Rosberg tells Mercedes to improve reliability (http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/disappointed-rosberg-tells-mercedes-to-improve-reliability)

How strange it is that Rosberg wasn't complaining so much when all the trouble was hitting Lewis' car!
All the times Hamilton's car blew up, puked out or burst into flames, and he never pointed a finger at the team. Rosberg has a problem and suddenly "We have already had several problems with reliability this year."
Nico can complain all he wants, but he still has less DNFs than his teammate. Ok mate, here is the article that motorsport.com and others quoted, and was somehow construed by you as complaining. To me it was simply a statement of fact, and most likely the answer to a direct question. Me, I don't care which Mercedes pilot wins the WDC, or which one complains more, it doesn't change the racing, or the talent of the guys driving the cars. However this was not complaining by Nico, not even close. So sorry to ruin the fantasy by motorspoorts.com and others of turning this into a provocation, which you took the bait and swam very deeply with. Here is another excerpt from the same article that your link didn't include because it ruins the sensation of the trash they published
For Rosberg, it is after the transmission defect in Silverstone already the second failure. Even teammate Hamilton had two clear rounds in Australia and Montreal, because the technology did not cooperate. Rosberg can be explained by the setback but not discouraged "This is a very sobering result. A hard day for me. I must accept. But now I give full throttle until the end of the season. Complete attack for Suzuka."

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/formel-1/rosberg-ausfall-in-singapur-kleines-problem-grosse-wirkung-8624320.html&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dauto%2Bmotor%2Bund%2Bsport%2Brosberg% 26biw%3D1366%26bih%3D620
You can bet on one thing; we haven't seen the last Mercedes failure, so don't take it too hard boyz if your guy gets punked by circumstances outside of his own control.

Paddy Lowe said:



“I’ve said internally from the beginning of the year, when it was clear we had the dominant car, that my biggest concern is that we will decide the championship on the basis of car breakdowns.”“I’m not going to pretend it’s good enough because it isn’t. It’s one of the weaknesses that we have. We’re doing a lot of work behind the scenes to turn it around but it’s a long-term project. It’s not something you can hit in five minutes. It takes a lot work. We are making progress but we’ve got further to go.”


:bigcry::snore: :angel:

[N. Jones]

I missed the first quarter of the race. What happened to Rosberg's car?

Good race overall. I really like this track, although I thought that Vergne was skirting the rules by turning up the wick in spite of his penalty....

....but then again that might be because I don't know the rules. :confused:

[donKey jote]

broken wire in the steering column... not something a quick change of the steering wheel could fix :dozey:

[Tazio]

broken wire in the steering column... not something a quick change of the steering wheel could fix :dozey:Broken wire en la Cabeza most likely. Aleman muy loco!! :bandit: :angel:

Sorry donks not a personal afronte ;)

[journeyman racer]

As much as I'd like to reply to TGK's weak response to my posts. The fact is, there's heaps of text to read. It'll be even longer if I respond to everything that's incorrect. Also, I'm sure no one's actually enjoying reading it. So I'm just going to leave it at this.

First point. TBK, and to anyone else concerned, may want to look up the meaning of the word "luck". Based on their posts, I'm not sure he/they understand the actual meaning of it. Here's some help.

https://www.google.com.au/search?q=luck+meaning&rlz=1C1OPRB_enAU552AU555&oq=luck+meaning&aqs=chrome.0.69i59j0l5.3805j0j8&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=93&ie=UTF-8

I think it's fair to say Hamilton was lucky at Hungary, and particularly in 2008. The end of 2007 doesn't constitute as "luck" because he choked. Choked at China. Choked in Brazil qualifying (apparently a strength of his, that deserted him). Choked in the race.

But, more than that. The popular notion is that Hamilton's been"unlucky". Like he's been denied. Well. I've done some analysis of the season so far. It seems interesting reading to me.

Based on the fact that both drivers have once retired in a race so early, that's it's hard to truly determine where they would've finished with any certainty. Hamilton's race in Australia and Rosberg's in Singapore cancel each other out. This is the probable amount of points gained and lost, from the moment of mechanical failures.

Hamilton.

Canada. He had an issue which caused a non-driving dnf. It's fair to say he was only leading due to a quicker pit stop. Rosberg had the better of the race. As a result, it's fair to say he missed out on 18pts.

Germany. Hamilton had a glazed brake in qualifying, which contributed to him slamming the wall. Rosberg also had a glazed brake, and stuck in on pole. But that's beside the point. Hamilton went on to finish 3rd, and gained 15pts.

Hungary. A similar situation to Germany. Blown engine in qualifying. Finished 3rd. Gained 15pts.

Britain. Hamilton was a clear second, before Rosberg's engine failed. By inherting the lead and winning the race. Hamilton gained an extra 7pts.

The net result? -18 +15 +15 +7 = +19pts.

Now lets have a look at Rosberg.

Canada. Was a leader throughout the race. Conceded initially to Hamilton before he broke down. Still hampered with the problem throughout the race, Rosberg was passed by Ricciardo for the win. A second place that really should've been first. Rosberg missed out on 7 pts.

Britain. Rosberg had pole. Led the whole way, til his engine denied him an opportunity to continue and win the race. A highly likely win denied. Rosberg missed out on 25pts.

The net result? -7 -25 = -32

The allowing for the adjustment of scores. Rosberg would be leading the title on 270pts. Hamilton second on 222pts.

It's not me saying it. I'm just being fair.

[airshifter]

Real math vs crazy math.

Based on crazy math, Rosberg would have 270 points and Hamilton would have 222.

Based on real math, both cars have suffered two mechanical DNFs, so both drivers have potentially lost 50 points. And with equal car failures, Hamilton now leads Rosberg.


I could come up with a Trig formula explaining why Lewis has been handed an advantage, but math isn't my strong point and it's much harder when I'm laughing and can't concentrate. :)

Rather than try to come up with some statistical analysis and go back to 2007, the facts are obvious. Both drivers have had failures, both drivers have overcome potential DNFs on track.

[Doc Austin]

In the end, if Rosberg does not win the championship by more than the second place points he gained at Spa, critics can rightfully point to his slicing Hamilton's tire as the championship winning move.

Not so curiously, Rosberg went off again in qualifying this weekend, but there was none of the wild sawing back and forth on the wheel that we saw at Monaco. He went off at Hungary too (and some other place I can't remember), all without the dramatics. I think if people look at the offs and compare what Nico's hands are doing in each, the Monaco incident looks especially bizarre and even staged. After Spa I think all doubt has been removed that Nico planned to sail down the escape road at Monaco all along, and the wild hand motions were to make it look believable.

You know, Schumacher secures the 94 championship by taking out Damon Hill, and then Schumacher stalls the car on purpose in Monoco qualifying to bring out a yellow. Kind of makes you wonder what Nico might have picked up in his years as Schumacher's teammate.

[journeyman racer]

Clearly, my analysis has pinched a nerve with airshifter. I know you attempt to be impartial airshifter. However, you just expose yourself as a fanboy.

I fail to understand how anybody who has an interest in motorsport, expects to see an equal number of mechanical failure for drivers in the same team. It never works out like that. In motorsport, it's what you do, despite the adversity you face that makes your reputation, not your speed over a short distance (which is a lower level of driving). It's the single biggest reason why Alonso is considered the best driver overall. If anything, he gets more credit for finishing 2nd in 10 and 11, than he does for winning the 05/06 titles.

My analysis is based on what happened, and reasonable extrapolation. I've not attempted to guess what result Hamilton/Rosberg would've got at Australia/Singapore, because they both retired too early to make a reasonable The fact is, Rosberg had pole and led the whole way in Britain. He definitely would've won it. That's 25pts gone and 7 extra gained by Hamilton. Hamilton did have a blown engine at Q1. but still had an opportunity to make up for it. Which he did the best job possible. Ideally, you wouldn't have a mechanical failure at all. But that's naive from anybody to have that expectation.

If you said to Rosberg "Hey Nico, your engine will definitely blow up this weekend. Would you prefer it to happen halfway through the race while leading, having led all the way til that point, or would you rather it happen in the first lap of q1, and take your chances to score points?" What would he say?

If you asked Hamilton. "Hey Lewis. Your engine will defnitley blow up this week. Would you much rather it occur during the first lap of q1, or would you prefer it to occur halfway through the race?" What would his answer be?

Obviously Hamilton fans like yourself are more interested in Hamilton being the victim, rather than genuine discussion. But that's your prerogative.

[journeyman racer]

Since my previous post. Doc Austin has made a contribution.. After having Tazio expose his attempt to diminish Rosberg with that article, he's made another attempt at diminishing him. Comparing Rosberg's off in Singapore and Monaco. Is there an article for Tazio to dismantle with that one?


Broadly speaking, the preciousness of Hamilton fans is bizarre. The sense of entitlement smacks of the most arrogant fans going around, since I've come across following F1. The only positive of Vettel knocking off 4 titles on the trot , has been he's shut down these starfish. The hole history of motorsport is of cars breaking down, denying drivers of wins and good positions. But Hamilton fans think he's entitled to some compensation. Rosberg's problems in Singapore is seen as ome kind of comeuppance. It's ridiculous.

I compare to myself as a kid. I was a huge Nigel Mansell fan. In 91, Mansell's car broke down every second race. He either was in a winning position, or challenging for the win (Including Canada. Leading the whole race. Leading by a lap on the last lap, and the car broke down) Senna maybe only had one problem, and benefitted a lot out of others problems. The points Mansell potentially could've got would've easily bridged the gap Senna won the title by. But I don't cry about how Mansell didn't win, or that there should be some equality. Nor do I hold it against Senna for winning it, and try to diminish him. ****! Even in Adelaide in 92, when Senna slammed into Mansell. It was disappointing, since I'd have like to see Mansell win in Aus. But **** happens.

But these hyper sensitive Hamilton fans? Geesh! I reckon Mansell may've Had more mechanical issues in 91, than Hamilton in his whole career so far. In fact, I reckon Mansell, in his dominant 92 season, would've easily had more mechanical issues than Hamilton this year. Maybe even more than Hamilton and Rosberg put together!

How you can put that much emphasis on driving for a short period (qualifying) really is weird. No wonder the WRC threads on this site, kick our arse for reasonable discussion.

[Tazio]

In the end, if Rosberg does not win the championship by more than the second place points he gained at Spa, critics can rightfully point to his slicing Hamilton's tire as the championship winning move.

Not so curiously, Rosberg went off again in qualifying this weekend, but there was none of the wild sawing back and forth on the wheel that we saw at Monaco. He went off at Hungary too (and some other place I can't remember), all without the dramatics. I think if people look at the offs and compare what Nico's hands are doing in each, the Monaco incident looks especially bizarre and even staged. After Spa I think all doubt has been removed that Nico planned to sail down the escape road at Monaco all along, and the wild hand motions were to make it look believable.

You know, Schumacher secures the 94 championship by taking out Damon Hill, and then Schumacher stalls the car on purpose in Monoco qualifying to bring out a yellow. Kind of makes you wonder what Nico might have picked up in his years as Schumacher's teammate.
The stewards thoroughly examined all data both video and telemetry and found no reason to pursue any punitive action dukie.


The circumstances of Rosberg's last-lap incident were then placed under official investigation by the Monaco stewards but, after three hours of deliberation, it was deemed that the German should be permitted to start the race from the front of the field.
'The stewards examined video and telemetry data from the team and FIA and could find no evidence of any offence related to the Turn 5 incident,' a statement declared.
Sorry dukie!

[Doc Austin]

Comparing Rosberg's off in Singapore and Monaco. Is there an article for Tazio to dismantle with that one?

No need for an article. Watch the video for yourself and make up your own mind. Unlike the way you try to jam your opinion up everyone's ass, I just present what I think and let people make up their own minds.

Nico regularly slides off in practice or qualifying, but none of it is ever as dramatic as the wild sawing of the wheel we saw at Monaco. If you don't find that a bit odd, you don't have any business calling anyone else a fanboy or accusing them of bias.


Broadly speaking, the preciousness of Hamilton fans is bizarre.


It can never be about the subject matter with you people, can it? You can't just present your case and let it stand on it's own merits. You always have to take a shot at people because you can't stand it that anyone would dare disagree with you.

Perhaps it slipped past you that it is not 1939 any more.


How you can put that much emphasis on driving for a short period (qualifying) really is weird.

At a place like Monaco, qualifying is just about everything. Even Steve Matchette and David Hobbs said as much. If you care to disagree with them, go for it.

Rational people will already know I bring this up because when Rosberg slides off, it is usually all very controlled and calm looking. Monaco featured a bunch of fake looking wheel jerking, almost like he was trying to be over dramatic in an attempt to sell the maneuver as a legitimate mistake. In subsequent offs, we have seen none of that. Anyone who does not find that a bit odd is not paying attention.


No wonder the WRC threads on this site, kick our arse for reasonable discussion.

Except you are never part of any reasonable discussion, You always have to slight whomever you disagree with. Of course, you aren't alone in this respect. It's a shame because otherwise you offer up good points. They just sort of become irrelevant once you start taking personal shots at people.

[Doc Austin]

Sorry dukie!

There is nothing to be gained from engaging an insufferable douchebag like yourself. If you want to try a non personal debate, we can try it, but it always has to be personal with you. You're just a coward with a keyboard.