2014 German GP Thread

[steveaki13]

So its Round 10 of the 2014 season and so far we have only one non Mercedes win. Here in Germany I dare say Mercedes will want a mass show of strength and a dominant 1-2 with Rosberg winning ideally for the German fans.

The 2014 race will be back at Hockenheim and its a circuit that in the midfield at least generally produces fun racing, as a lot of corner section go one way and then the other.

Drivers Championship after 9 Rounds




1
Nico Rosberg
Mercedes
165


2
Lewis Hamilton
Mercedes
161


3
Daniel Ricciardo
Red Bull
98


4
Fernando Alonso
Ferrari
87


5
Valterri Bottas
Williams
73


6
Sebastian Vettel
Red Bull
70


7
Nico Hulkenberg
Force India
63


8
Jenson Button
Mclaren
55


9
Kevin Magnussen
Mclaren
35


10
Felipe Massa
Williams
30


11
Sergio Perez
Force India
28


12
Kimi Raikkonen
Ferrari
19


13
Jean Eric Vergne
Toro Rosso
9


14
Romain Grosjean
Lotus
8


15
Danii Kyvat
Toro Rosso
6


16
Jules Bianchi
Marussia
2


17
Adrian Sutil
Sauber
0


18
Marcus Ericcson
Caterham
0


19
Pastor Maldonado
Lotus
0


20
Esteban Gutierrez
Sauber
0


21
Max Chilton
Marussia
0


22
Kamui Kobayashi
Caterham
0










Constructors Championship after 9 Rounds




1
Mercedes
326


2
Red Bull
168


3
Ferrari
106


4
Williams
103


5
Force India
91


6
Mclaren
90


7
Toro Rosso
15


8
Lotus
8


9
Marussia
2



10
Sauber
0


11
Caterham
0



2014 German GP - Hockenheim

http://a.sidepodcast.com/content/2010/07/bridgestone_circuit_map_germany.jpg

67 Laps

Lap Record: 1:13.780 - Kimi Raikkonen - Mclaren - 2004

Session Times - Local & (Uk -Sorry :vampire:)

FP1: 10:00am-11:30 am - (9:00am - 10:30am)
FP 2: 14:00pm-15:30pm -(13:00pm-14:30pm)

FP3: 11:00am-12:00pm - (10:00am-11:00am)
Quali: 14:00pm - (13:00pm)

Race: 14:00pm - (13:00pm)

Previous Winners since 1990(Hockenheim)
1990: Ayrton Senna - Mclaren
1991: Nigel Mansell - Williams
1992: Nigel Mansell - Williams
1993: Alain Prost - Williams
1994: Gerhard Berger - Ferrari
1995: Michael Schumacher - Benetton
1996: Damon Hill - Williams
1997: Gerhard Berger - Benetton
1998: Mika Hakkinen - Mclaren
1999: Eddie Irvine - Ferrari
2000: Rubens Barrichello - Ferrari
2001: Ralf Schumacher - Williams
2002: Michael Schumacher - Ferrari
2003: Juan Montoya - Williams
2004: Michael Schumacher - Ferrari
2005: Fernando Alonso - Renault
2006: Michael Schumacher - Ferrari
2008: Lewis Hamilton - Mclaren
2010: Fernando Alonso - Ferrari
2012: Fernando Alonso - Ferrari

Winners at Hockenheim

Michael Schumacher - 4 wins
Fernando Alonso - 3 wins
Nelson Piquet - 3 wins
Ayrton Senna - 3 wins
Alain Prost - 2 wins
Nigel Mansell - 2 wins
Gerhard Berger - 2 wins
Lewis Hamilton - 1 win
Juan Montoya -1 win
Ralf Schumacher - 1 win
Eddie Irvine - 1 win
Mika Hakkinen - 1 win
Damon Hill - 1 win
Niki Lauda - 1 win
Mario Andretti - 1 win
Alan Jones - 1 win
Jacques Laffite - 1 win
Patrick Tambay - 1 win
Rene Arnoux - 1 win
Jochen Rindt - 1 win

Team Wins

Ferrari - 11 wins
Williams - 9 wins
Mclaren - 6 wins
Benetton -2 wins
Lotus - 2 wins
Ligier - 1 win
Brabham -1 win

So there we go.

On the current layout of the Current drivers Alonso owns the track winning 3 times. Only Lewis Hamilton has one a race here other than Fred.

Hard pushed for him to make it 4 of the last 6 this weekend. Will Lewis get his second win here or will Nico please the home crowd, or more unlikely will someone profit from Mercedes failures.

Cant wait to find out Dawgs. :devil::dog:

[andyone]

so vettel never won in germany? intresting

[steveaki13]

Vettel has won at the Nurburgring once.

These are stats for Hockenheim only.

It used to be easy when Hockenheim was German GP & Nurburgring was European, but the last 6 seasons or so they have alternated. I wasn't sure whether to post both results or just this circuit.

[MacFeegle]

Think Lewis has momentum again. Poor Nico going to get Hammer Time.

Never know why Hulk not loved by big teams. He always put car in top spot. Would Ferrari wonder feck why they hire Kimi when best number 2 Hulk or possible challenge Alonso bit heavy?

Bottas be strong. Real deal and in for top drive 2015.

Good monster track so Merc power strong and not too much excellent chassis of Red Bull do to challenge unless reliability 'upgrade' produce much power for French engine.

Easy track that not too far Monza to drive. Go, brake, go, brake, hairpin etc. Power so Ferrari 2nd best engine.

[Ranger]

Bottas be strong. Real deal and in for top drive 2015.

Williams is a top drive this year, not sure how much better he can expect to get. Bottas has been good but Massa has been very unfortunate this year. For me the jury is out on how good he is.

Again Mercedes should win this one easily unless one or both cars break down. Williams should be best of the rest if they qualify well and stay out of trouble.

[Mia 01]

It will be interesting to see what impact the loss of the FRIC system will have on the teams.

[airshifter]

It will be interesting to see what impact the loss of the FRIC system will have on the teams.

Some speculate it might have been worth a few tenths per lap. So I don't think we will see any real performance differences from our viewpoint.

But it's safe to say it's going to be FRICing hard to beat the Mercedes cars. :)

[Tazio]

I suspect that the major impact of not being able to useFRIC will be tire wear, and even that will be subtle, I guess we'll see. Itlooks like Sunday could be wet, one can always hope!
http://www.myweather2.com/Motor-Racing/Germany/Hockenheimring-Circuit.aspx?sday=3

[driveace]

German GP ,require German team win,with British driver preferably !

[Doc Austin]

Whatever happens with the FRIC systems, you can bet the big teams will figure it out first, so I do not expect a real upset in form. The Mercedes are not going to spin out of control and fall the tail of the grid and the Caterhams are not going to dominate the front row.

I suspect the FRICS will disappear and we will hardly be able to tell the difference.

For some strange reason, I think Nico might still have the mental edge on Lewis. If I had to bet on it, I'de take Nico for pole.

[andyone]

For some strange reason, I think Nico might still have the mental edge on Lewis. If I had to bet on it, I'de take Nico for pole.

i dont think if there is any other mistake for lewis to do.. i will Bet on Lewis Hamilton on pole and Win. he is not going to let Nico Overhaul him on the pole setting experties he has. its "hammer time" from qualifying..

[TheFamousEccles]

Hammer time? Puhleezzz.....:arrowed:

[Mia 01]

the loss of FRIC will also affect aero in high and low speed corners. Red Bull will perhaps be back on the fore.

But ........ heres hope that the Iceman scores big.

[steveaki13]

Susie Wolff with more issues.

[steveaki13]

One of the Marussia's smoking too.

[Tazio]

:stareup: 'sup dawg? :cool:

[steveaki13]

Hi Taz.

Mercedes looking all over the place. Lack of FRIC is having a massive effect. :dozey:

Mercedes will not win another race. :andrea::stareup::rolleyes:

[journeyman racer]

Have the German public, the fans attending, seen this race as a public event to continue celebrating the WC win? There has to be some recognition. At least some players attending.

[henners88]

German GP ,require German team win,with British driver preferably !
The teams home race was really Silverstone but it'll be good for the marque/brand to win in Germany. I hope its a British driver crossing the line first too! :)

[Mia 01]

The teams home race was really Silverstone but it'll be good for the marque/brand to win in Germany. I hope its a British driver crossing the line first too! :)
Congrats to the pole and the win as you suggest.
You and the rest of the anglomafia will for sure succeed.

[Tazio]

Congrats to the pole and the win as you suggest.
You and the rest of the anglomafia will for sure succeed.

I think you should back down a bit for now .....
.....or maybe not! ;) :angel:

[Duncan]

Power circuit should favor the Mercs, provided the brakes hold out... otherwise we could be in for a repeat of Canada.

[driveace]

Lewis is fastest in both practice sessions ,but Danny think he can have them ! Tomorrow is another day ,as both Merc drivers are happyish with the car with the system removed

[steveaki13]

Good Morning Dogs :p;)

[Tazio]

quali dawgs :dog:

[Tazio]

Morning Steve :)

[steveaki13]

So after 2 weekends of trying to stop running all 4 wheels of the track.

They are allowed to do whatever the hell they like.

That makes sense. :rolleyes:

[donKey jote]

hay gurlz :dork:

[donKey jote]

ham :eek:

[donKey jote]

i can go back to bed now :dozey:

[Koz]

Hammy?! Brake failure!!

[Tazio]

What happened to The Boss :confused:

[steveaki13]

If you watch the head on shot, a puff of black dust out the right rear brake.

Mercedes lately are becoming a bit unreliable.

Rosberg has pole in the bag then.

What would be cool is for both Mercedes to start on the back row and see who wins a fight to the front.

[steveaki13]

Official from Mercedes. It was a failure of the front right brake disc.

[donKey jote]

Mia you really need to talk to kimi :dozey: :sailor:

[donKey jote]

Dj you really need to talk to Seb :p :andrea:

[Koz]

Who's going to talk to Button, donkey?

[Tazio]

Hey where did everyone go? :dork: ;) :angel:

[Koz]

You must have scared them all away Mr T.

[donKey jote]

Who's going to talk to Button, donkey?

who? :andrea: :p

[MacFeegle]

Hamilton brake a worry. He use aggressive brake and release where other pilot use less aggressive. Hockenhiem high brake wear but not worse pista. Canada more so and problem there also.

Remove FRIC change stability in car so air flow change. Maybe not 100% effective air flow cool from brake duct part problem but I no not. Possible? Change FRIC in centre of season affect many thing no just suspension stability as car and aero / cooling design around attitude of vehicle from ground up.

[The Black Knight]

Another set back from Hamilton. Another gift for Nico. Just when he gets close Rosberg either cheats or mechanical failure gets in the way. The guy just can't get a break this year. Hopefully he'll storm through the grid to win it tomorrow!

[Tazio]

Mia you really need to talk to kimi :dozey: :sailor:For having a bad quali Kimi is only two rows behind Fred, and with a good start, and strategy could overhaul him. Time to fight back Kimster!!

[Doc Austin]

Lewis simply can't get a break.

[donKey jote]

Can't get a brake, or a gearbox now :-s

[donKey jote]

Time to fight back Kimster!!
Indeed!
half way through the season certainly is about time ! :p
go kimster!!! :andrea: :sailor:

[steveaki13]

So its confirmed now Lewis will start 20th.

Lets play a game. Where will Lewis get too? I mean its easy to say 2nd, but Williams looked fast yesterday and might make a podium tough.

So How high will Lewis finish and how long will it take him to get there?

I reckon 3rd in the last few laps.

[steveaki13]

Ericsson has a 10 second stop and go penalty to be served within 3 laps of the start for breaking Parc Ferme conditions.

[Koz]

So its confirmed now Lewis will start 20th.

Lets play a game. Where will Lewis get too? I mean its easy to say 2nd, but Williams looked fast yesterday and might make a podium tough.

So How high will Lewis finish and how long will it take him to get there?

I reckon 3rd in the last few laps.

Humm.. If there are two SC, I'd say #2 otherwise 5th.

[steveaki13]

So anyway......

Morning Girls, Donkey's and dawwwwwwwwgs ;)

[steveaki13]

Humm.. If there are two SC, I'd say #2 otherwise 5th.

You could be rights Koz. Those Williams are maybe to fast to be caught in normal conditions.

[veeten]

I still hate what was done to this track. :(

It was... neutered. :p

Damned Greenies... :mad:

[steveaki13]

For racing the old circuit was a different challenge. Now its just another short circuit.

Shame.

[veeten]

true...

roll off lap.

[Koz]

Go Bottas!!

[veeten]

and here we... GOOOOOOO!!!!!

[veeten]

Wow!!!!!

[steveaki13]

Go Williams generally. A Williams win would be awesome...................


OMG Massa sliding on his head. Magnussen and Massa big knock.

Luckily Felipe looks OK.

[gm99]

Another first lap incident for poor Felipe - this one looks to be on him, though, as he seemed to cut across into Magnussen.

[steveaki13]

Hamilton coming through the field quickly.

Ricciardo next might be tougher

[veeten]

Daniel & Lewis marching up the line.

[Koz]

Slash'd!!

[N4D13]

Nice defending there from Esteban. :p

Edit: oh, actually it was Slash! It'd probably have been a bit more spectacular if it had been Gutiérrez who was involved.

[veeten]

and now, it looks like a game of " who gets there first"... Ham or Ric.

[steveaki13]

Wow Nico is fast now. I thought Williams might stay a bit closer than this

[pino]

Race is already over :(

[gm99]

Hamilton already into the points by lap 11 - that went quickly!

[steveaki13]

Yup......

Just now to see how Hamilton can march through the field.

Ricciardo defends from Hamilton and passes Kimi, then Hamilton side by side with Kimi at 140mph+

Great stuff

[N4D13]

Alonso into the pits! How close was him to Seb before his stop?

[veeten]

and the pit cycling begins.

[steveaki13]

Hamilton passed Kimi & Daniel in one corner, but a tiny bit of contact.

Kimi, Daniel and Lewis racing brilliantly.

[pino]

Alonso pit 2.3 s !!! :eek:

[dj_bytedisaster]

How pointless is it to even try beating those Mercs. 20 to 6 in 15 laps. Not even the newey cars were ever this ridiculous.

[steveaki13]

Now Kimi, Fred & Seb all side by side and a bit more contact. More great racing

Fair play to the drivers they are going for it and being brave

[veeten]

well, you can't say that F1 has gotten dull, now can you?... :D

[dj_bytedisaster]

well, you can't say that F1 has gotten dull, now can you?... :D

Neither was it last year. But back then it was still fashionable to ignore the midfield battles because it was the wrong car diasappearing into the distance. In terms of sheer domination of one team this season is even worse than 1992.

[steveaki13]

The racing has been decent this season, except for up front. Mercedes are just too fast.

Anyway. Bottas doing a decent job and some nice battling behind

[steveaki13]

Neither was it last year. But back then it was still fashionable to ignore the midfield battles because it was the wrong car diasappearing into the distance. In terms of sheer domination of one team this season is even worse than 1992.

Neither year has been great, because of domination in both. Neither will be remembered fondly.

The lead has to be close, whether its one guy pummelling his team mate like last year and winning 10 in a row or whatever, or whether its a team winning by 30 seconds each race.

Both suck. Don't act like last year didn't and this year does. They both do.

However like last season, there is a bit of decent racing behind, which we did and can enjoy.

[pino]

Without Mercedes...it would have been an exciting championship ;)

[steveaki13]

Perez's engineer saying its the last time he is going to tell him to lift and coast.

Is he going to turn the car off from the garage as punishment :p

[dj_bytedisaster]

Both suck. Don't act like last year didn't and this year does. They both do.

However like last season, there is a bit of decent racing behind, which we did and can enjoy.

As you said, both years were less than optimal. I just wonder why the some people who now enthuse about the midfield battles, which we had last year, too (Korea, Nürburgring etc). But when I said 'great battle from 2nd onwards' last year, I was usually rebuffed quite badly because there was no battle for the lead.

[steveaki13]

Lewis: I have never heard of that button. :rotflmao:

[veeten]

and so, the refueling issue has reared it's ugly head.

[Koz]

This is so stupid, all those bloody switches, they should all be banned!

[steveaki13]

As you said, both years were less than optimal. I just wonder why the some people who now enthuse about the midfield battles, which we had last year, too (Korea, Nürburgring etc). But when I said 'great battle from 2nd onwards' last year, I was usually rebuffed quite badly because there was no battle for the lead.

I say as I did.

Both were dull, but Webber didnt make a Championship battle with Seb last season after half way, which makes it slightly more dull than this season, whereas at least we look like having a battle to the end for the title. That is a small crumb of comfort.

Anyway you could be the bigger guy and stop trying to point score on others by slagging them off and the racing in 2014.
If you enjoyed 2013 midfield battles and others didnt surely you are enjoying this seasons, midfield battles?

If you really hate their attitude then dont show the same attitude now. ;)

[steveaki13]

Lewis doesnt know switches and Hulkenberg cant find switches.

Now Lewis has collided with JB.

Thats a weird one, Lewis dived down the inside, but JB looked like he was letting him through and closed on him mid corner.

[steveaki13]

Lewis waving sorry to JB as he passes :D

[N4D13]

Lewis has been rather lucky today, as has Kimi. Both have had several incidents at the hairpin which could have ended with a mandatory trip to the pits or a DNF.

[steveaki13]

To be fair, Lewis took the blame for the incident with JB, by waving a hand. It was a very small incident but it wasn't unlucky.

[dj_bytedisaster]

Vettel behind RIC again. If RB somehow manage to muck up Vettel's strategy again, I'm going to become paranoid...

[veeten]

Lewis waving sorry to JB as he passes :D

well, at least he apologized. ;) :angel:

[dj_bytedisaster]

well, at least he apologized. ;) :angel:

Things you have time for when driving a Merc :D The funny bit is. His front wing looks like it was on the receiving end of a shark attack and his lap times are barely affected. Aerodynamics are overrated ;)

[steveaki13]

It looks to me as though Bottas has a good chance of holding of Hamilton. That would be interesting to see. He is doing a pretty good job.

[steveaki13]

I wonder if Rosberg is falling asleep.

At least Lewis has some guys to race with.

Nico has had one of the most boring races in his career I reckon.

[dj_bytedisaster]

Nico has had one of the most boring races in his career I reckon.

He can ask Seb for pointers on how to keep yourself awake :D

[steveaki13]

He can ask Seb for pointers on how to keep yourself awake :D

I'd play I spy with my engineer on the radio. :p

[dj_bytedisaster]

ffs - what the hell are RB doing?

[steveaki13]

Kyvat explodes :eek:

[steveaki13]

Sutil spun out of the straight.

SC or no SC?

[steveaki13]

Surely thats dangerous to send Marshalls out there, when we have a SC for a tiny piece of debris

[N4D13]

You've got to concede that the stewards have some b@lls.

[steveaki13]

Brave Marshalling there.

Where is Tazzie today anyway?

[steveaki13]

You've got to concede that the stewards have some b@lls.

Its cause a German Car & Driver is winning. ;)

[veeten]

Marshalls - expendable yet disposable. At least that's how the FIA feels. ;)

[N4D13]

Here I was hoping that Ferrari would have got their strategy right for once but my money's on that they've failed miserably. I truly hope I'm wrong, though.

[veeten]

Uh oh, dj. 'He"'s sneaking up again... ;) :p

[steveaki13]

Maldonado on for a point. :eek:

[Koz]

Riccardo making Alonso really work for it!

[steveaki13]

Great stuff from Daniel.

Racing so hard, he will not let Alonso through cheaply on better tyres. Also helping Seb stay ahead.

[dj_bytedisaster]

Danny!!! Sublime driving! :)

[veeten]

Damn! Riccy sayin to Alonso, ' you want it, come get it!' :D

[pino]

Impressive Daniel !!!

[steveaki13]

Has Hamilton actually got the tyres left now to pass Bottas.

Not so sure.

Daniel amazing driving.

[steveaki13]

You have to say Daniel and Alonso amazing driving. Well done

[steveaki13]

I think Bottas has 2nd in the bag. He used to much of the super softs early on.

[veeten]

OK everyone, hold station...

[steveaki13]

Wow. Good race in everywhere but first, but still enjoyed the race.

I think Nico has the Championship in his grasp. He appears as fast now as Lewis and seems more consistant. Also has less failures of car, whether trough looking after the car better or just luck.

It all indicates he should win the Championship as he is more complete than Lewis.

Interesting to see what happens.

[pino]

Yes great race, too bad that Mercedes are just too fast :blackeye:

[dj_bytedisaster]

The bump into Button was an indication that Lewis lacks that last bit of conservative driving that wins championships. He was quick, but prone to errors. I think Nico has a real chance, but there's still that 50pts race in the desert that will decide everything and pretty much nullify the whole season if they stay as close together in the standings.

[Tazio]

Decent race dawgs!

[steveaki13]

Decent race dawgs!

Tazzie. Where you been? :mad:

[dj_bytedisaster]

LOL, Vettel answering the questions in German language interview in local dialect :D

[airshifter]

Overall a good race. I'm usually not that big a fan of the track, but from the first corner on, something was going on the whole race that was worth watching.

Felipe punted himself IMO, he dove for the apex as if Mag wasn't even there. I can't take any more of his excuses either, in his mind it is ALWAYS someone else at fault. He needs to man up and get his head back in the game. Williams deserves more from him.

Ricciardo has just proven to the world that he is the real deal. He took everything Fred had to throw at him, and it still took Alonso 6 laps to get by him with fresh softer tires. But even then Daniel kept fighting, and I think with a couple more laps wear on the Ferrari's tires, the real fight would have been back on again! Outstanding wheel to wheel racing from both drivers.

Watching Daniel and Lewis charge from the back was interesting the whole time, and plenty of mid field action through much of the race.

Part of me wants to be glad that the lack of safety cars didn't bunch the field up and make things more even, but that part of me can't even come close to the severe lack of real safety being ignored. The GPDA needs to speak up and let Charlie and all other involved parties know it won't be tolerated. There should have been two more safety car periods IMO, even though I hate when they have to bring out the safety car.

[schmenke]

...Felipe punted himself IMO, he dove for the apex as if Mag wasn't even there. I can't take any more of his excuses either, in his mind it is ALWAYS someone else at fault. ...

I agree. I’ve always felt that he comes across as a bit tactless.

[Tazio]

Tazzie. Where you been? :mad:

Sorry bro I was not that into it this weekend. Don't worry I will make up for it in Hungary :devil:

[N. Jones]

Is this race worth watching? I usually find Hockenheim boring (well,,except for that one Felipe-Fernando incident).

[airshifter]

Is this race worth watching? I usually find Hockenheim boring (well,,except for that one Felipe-Fernando incident).

Without a doubt worth watching. I usually find the track boring as well, but this time the events on track more than made up for it IMO.

[ffhdhh34]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZK9dhy81eo

lewis hamilton overtakes at german gp..

[MacFeegle]

Good watch for fun but not true F1. Watch Lewis with broke wing get hammer to see what F1 should be,

Not just because Lewis but all Pot drive with hand up back at moment.

Pantomime e which gone too far.

[henners88]

Still haven't watched the race but sounded a good one.. I'll have to watch it tonight as i'll have two to catch up on after this weekend!


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[dj_bytedisaster]

Good watch for fun but not true F1. Watch Lewis with broke wing get hammer to see what F1 should be,

Not just because Lewis but all Pot drive with hand up back at moment.

Pantomime e which gone too far.

Could we get that in English? Google translate only spits out garbage...

[donKey jote]

Google translate is not the only thing that spits out garbage around here :andrea: :dozey: