Rally Finland 2014

[mArtini racing]

I am planning now a trip to this rally,
and I want to ask if anybody has an idea about the 2014 itinerary.

I have been looking for accomodation and i feel very impressed about the fact that is all booked yet at the Jyvaskyla area!!!

Thanks in advance!!

[jiipee64]

We have big housing fair during July and August.
This means that this town (and surroundings) will be FULLY booked during Rally Finland.

So book Your accommodations NOW.

[mArtini racing]

Tanks for your advice, I Have booked yet in Mänttä!! A bit far from Jyvaslyla, but near some of the special stages I hope!!

[MartijnS]

There will be plenty of space at the student campus again I guess? Pretty decent rooms :) Nice breakfast.

[Juha_Koo]

Tanks for your advice, I Have booked yet in Mänttä!! A bit far from Jyvaslyla, but near some of the special stages I hope!!

Mänttä is good, I've done all of my NORFs from there. :)

[mArtini racing]

thanks for the info too, Juha Koo.

I thinked that place will be good so it's near the area of several Special Stages as I remember. I have been last time at NORF in 2010, but that time we slept at the forests. I suposse that Stages like Urria, Jukojarvi, Leustu, Surkee and similars will be in 2014 itinerary. Or at least, I must say I hope.

[pantealex]

Ouninpohja is fridays stage 2014, first time since?

[Miika]

Ouninpohja is fridays stage 2014, first time since?

Since Group B times (?)

[raikkonen]

Hey rallyfans ,
My girlfriend and I ( a Belgian couple ) are going to Finland for the first time . I ‘m a raikkonen fan .
Most for a holliday but we visit the Neste oil rally also in a short way .
I have a few questions to ( I hope ) some finnish fans of WRC .
We stay at Muurame ( hotelli Vuorikelo ) the first day ( 31/7 ) and two following day's at Jämsä ( jämsä gastahus ) 1 , 2 / 8 . I hope there are a few stages in this area . What are the best stages to look at ? A special one .
Here is a link to my pictures of the wrc of Germany with Kimi .

https://plus.google.com/photos/10161214 ... 8124507974 (https://plus.google.com/photos/101612149988124507974/albums/5510120892000058401/5510120933986129794?banner=pwa&pid=5510120933986129794&oid=101612149988124507974)

https://plus.google.com/photos/10161214 ... 8124507974 (https://plus.google.com/photos/101612149988124507974/albums/5655561359145496449/5655562718134186146?banner=pwa&pid=5655562718134186146&oid=101612149988124507974)

Thanks in advance
philippe

[jiipee64]

If Ouninpohja is driven on those days You should go there.

But most of the stages are good just dont go to Killeri SSS ...

[raikkonen]

@jiipee64
Thanks a lot

[Simmi]

So I read in Autosport that Ouninpohja won't be in the rally this year.

Is it the case we will see quite a different rally this year? I went last year with RallyTravel but if they switched things about I'd heavily consider doing it again.

[Mintexmemory]

Hey rallyfans ,
My girlfriend and I ( a Belgian couple ) are going to Finland for the first time . I ‘m a raikkonen fan .
Most for a holliday but we visit the Neste oil rally also in a short way .
I have a few questions to ( I hope ) some finnish fans of WRC .
We stay at Muurame ( hotelli Vuorikelo ) the first day ( 31/7 ) and two following day's at Jämsä ( jämsä gastahus ) 1 , 2 / 8 . I hope there are a few stages in this area . What are the best stages to look at ? A special one .
Here is a link to my pictures of the wrc of Germany with Kimi .

https://plus.google.com/photos/10161214 ... 8124507974 (https://plus.google.com/photos/101612149988124507974/albums/5510120892000058401/5510120933986129794?banner=pwa&pid=5510120933986129794&oid=101612149988124507974)

https://plus.google.com/photos/10161214 ... 8124507974 (https://plus.google.com/photos/101612149988124507974/albums/5655561359145496449/5655562718134186146?banner=pwa&pid=5655562718134186146&oid=101612149988124507974)

Thanks in advance
philippe


Philippe have I missed something - couldn't actually sse any shots with KR, just the Citroen?

[Mintexmemory]

Hey rallyfans ,
My girlfriend and I ( a Belgian couple ) are going to Finland for the first time . I ‘m a raikkonen fan .
Most for a holliday but we visit the Neste oil rally also in a short way .
I have a few questions to ( I hope ) some finnish fans of WRC .
We stay at Muurame ( hotelli Vuorikelo ) the first day ( 31/7 ) and two following day's at Jämsä ( jämsä gastahus ) 1 , 2 / 8 . I hope there are a few stages in this area . What are the best stages to look at ? A special one .
Here is a link to my pictures of the wrc of Germany with Kimi .

https://plus.google.com/photos/10161214 ... 8124507974 (https://plus.google.com/photos/101612149988124507974/albums/5510120892000058401/5510120933986129794?banner=pwa&pid=5510120933986129794&oid=101612149988124507974)

https://plus.google.com/photos/10161214 ... 8124507974 (https://plus.google.com/photos/101612149988124507974/albums/5655561359145496449/5655562718134186146?banner=pwa&pid=5655562718134186146&oid=101612149988124507974)

Thanks in advance
philippe


Philippe have I missed something - couldn't actually sse any shots with KR, just the Citroen?

[Franky]

So I read in Autosport that Ouninpohja won't be in the rally this year.

Because of the too high average speed again?

[Rallyper]

Ouninpohja no, maybe, but still parts of the famous stage in other name - like Kakaristo... ;)

Note. Just speculations from my side.

[Juha_Koo]

So I read in Autosport that Ouninpohja won't be in the rally this year.

Because of the too high average speed again?

Most likely not, it is just that Ouninpohja (due to it's lenght, easy accessibility and therefore popularity) takes soooo much resources to run. Now that we had it back for couple of years, I don't mind at all if it's not included in the itinerary. Not driving Ouninpohja gives away quite a lot of resources to other uses/stages, e.g. two new 15km stages could be easily done with the manpower released. I think this might be the case, especially after the wide criticism about the route that organizers received after last year's rally.

For me as a spectator, I've seen Ouninpohja already so many times that it doesn't provide so much to me anymore - I've been to every section of it over the years, also in tests. Ofcourse I understand that with foreign spectators it's completely different! But all in all, I'm sure that if Ouninpohja is not included, some other good things will come...

[pantealex]

inside info says: Friday - Ouninpohja
but RG1 will tell the truth.

[Rallyper]

So I read in Autosport that Ouninpohja won't be in the rally this year.

Because of the too high average speed again?

Most likely not, it is just that Ouninpohja (due to it's lenght, easy accessibility and therefore popularity) takes soooo much resources to run. Now that we had it back for couple of years, I don't mind at all if it's not included in the itinerary. Not driving Ouninpohja gives away quite a lot of resources to other uses/stages, e.g. two new 15km stages could be easily done with the manpower released. I think this might be the case, especially after the wide criticism about the route that organizers received after last year's rally.

For me as a spectator, I've seen Ouninpohja already so many times that it doesn't provide so much to me anymore - I've been to every section of it over the years, also in tests. Ofcourse I understand that with foreign spectators it's completely different! But all in all, I'm sure that if Ouninpohja is not included, some other good things will come...

Also costs for stages has rised.

[pantealex]

inside info says: Friday - Ouninpohja
but RG1 will tell the truth.

some more info:

it will be shortened from beginning and called "Kakaristo"
after kakaristo junction, rest of stage same as Ouninpohja 2013
they will drive it 2 times
second time about 6pm Friday

[Rallyper]

inside info says: Friday - Ouninpohja
but RG1 will tell the truth.

some more info:

it will be shortened from beginning and called "Kakaristo"
after kakaristo junction, rest of stage same as Ouninpohja 2013
they will drive it 2 times
second time about 6pm Friday

Not so bad speculation then... :p Maybe a Hassi stage as well?

If Kakaristo, which direction will they run?

[KKS]

some more info:

it will be shortened from beginning and called "Kakaristo"
after kakaristo junction, rest of stage same as Ouninpohja 2013
they will drive it 2 times
second time about 6pm Friday
So they do same after Petter record at 2004. Ogier drove last year with av. speed - 130.7.

[sindroms]

Rally Finland route:

Neste Oil Rallin reitti 2014
Torstai 31.7.2014

EK1 Lankamaa 1 23,47 km
EK2 Jouhtikylä 10,40 km
EK3 Lankamaa 2 23,47 km
EK4 kaupunkierikoiskoe
Perjantai 1.8.2014

EK5 Pihlajakoski 1 14,10 km
EK6 Päijälä 1 23 km
EK7 Kakaristo 1 20,50 km
EK8 Painaa 1 7,49 km
EK 9 Pihlajakoski 2 14,10 km
EK10 Päijälä 2 23 km
EK11 Kakaristo 2 20,50 km
EK12 Painaa 2 7,49 km
EK13 kaupunkierikoskoe
Lauantai 2.8.2014

EK14 Mökkiperä 1 13,50 km
EK15 Jukojärvi 1 21,90 km
EK16 Surkee 1 14,95 km
EK17 Himos 1 4,45 km
EK18 Leustu1 11 km
EK19 Mökkiperä 2 13,50 km
EK 20 Jukojärvi 2 21,90 km
EK21 Surkee 2 14,95 km
EK22 Himos 2 4,45 km
EK23 Lesutu 2 11 km
Sunnuntai 3.8.2014

EK24 Ruuhimäki 1 7,10 km
EK25 Myhinpää 22,40 km
EK26 Ruuhimäki 2 (Power Stage) 7,10 km

http://www.nesteoilrallyfinland.fi/en/39836.aspx

[raikkonen]

Dear sindroms ,

CAN YOU TELL ME THE NEAREST PLACES BY jÂMSÂ PLEASE . BECAUSE WE STAY TWO DAY'S AT jÂMSÂ

[raikkonen]

Hey rallyfans ,
My girlfriend and I ( a Belgian couple ) are going to Finland for the first time . I ‘m a raikkonen fan .
Most for a holliday but we visit the Neste oil rally also in a short way .
I have a few questions to ( I hope ) some finnish fans of WRC .
We stay at Muurame ( hotelli Vuorikelo ) the first day ( 31/7 ) and two following day's at Jämsä ( jämsä gastahus ) 1 , 2 / 8 . I hope there are a few stages in this area . What are the best stages to look at ? A special one .
Here is a link to my pictures of the wrc of Germany with Kimi .

https://plus.google.com/photos/10161214 ... 8124507974 (https://plus.google.com/photos/101612149988124507974/albums/5510120892000058401/5510120933986129794?banner=pwa&pid=5510120933986129794&oid=101612149988124507974)

https://plus.google.com/photos/10161214 ... 8124507974 (https://plus.google.com/photos/101612149988124507974/albums/5655561359145496449/5655562718134186146?banner=pwa&pid=5655562718134186146&oid=101612149988124507974)

Thanks in advance
philippe


Philippe have I missed something - couldn't actually sse any shots with KR, just the Citroen?
Just click on the picture to see the others !!

[pantealex]

Dear sindroms ,

CAN YOU TELL ME THE NEAREST PLACES BY jÂMSÂ PLEASE . BECAUSE WE STAY TWO DAY'S AT jÂMSÂ

Himos and Kakaristo both are about 5km from centre of Jämsä
Painaa and Leustu about 25 km

[Simmi]

I think that route will see me making the trip again this year.

[pino]

I think that route will see me making the trip again this year.

Me too ;)

[Rallyper]

You could expect quite a lot of people on last day Ruuhimäki PS run twice... :) :)

[Franky]

You could expect quite a lot of people on last day Ruuhimäki PS run twice... :) :)

Sunday will be very crowded anyway, just two stages to choose between ...

[Hartusvuori]

Shakedown is Thursday morning, but organisers have not specified the location yet.

I'm very excited about the route, would like to have the timetable as well and then see how many stages is possible a day. Sunday will be crowded, but then again a part of spectators will skip it as well.

[Rallyper]

Shakedown is Thursday morning, but organisers have not specified the location yet.

I'm very excited about the route, would like to have the timetable as well and then see how many stages is possible a day. Sunday will be crowded, but then again a part of spectators will skip it as well.

Timetable (eg. RG1) 24.2 is that so?

[Vepe]

Sort of related...

http://translate.google.com/translate?s ... 56&act=url (http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nesteoil.fi%2Fdefault.asp%3Fpat h%3D35%3B52%3B88%3B100%3B101%3B22864%3B23256&act=url)

Here is the main idea:

Neste Oil is celebrating their 20 years of sponsoring Rally Finland with an event in Helsinki the weekend before the actual rally. I don't know what cars they'll use, but it's going to be a battle between the current drivers and the old legends. So far Hänninen, Neuville, Ogier, Latvala and Östberg are in from the current drivers and Alen, Kankkunen, Mäkinen and Grönholm represent the legends.

[Barreis]

1000 lakes was better name for me...

[Zeakiwi]

1000 lakes was better name for me...

+1 and Jyvaskylan Suurajot

[Hartusvuori]

If you guys like the name so much, Jyväskylän Suurajot - 1000 Lakes Rally is held August 22.-23. this year.
http://www.suurajot.fi/

[COD]

Sort of related...

http://translate.google.com/translate?s ... 56&act=url (http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nesteoil.fi%2Fdefault.asp%3Fpat h%3D35%3B52%3B88%3B100%3B101%3B22864%3B23256&act=url)

Here is the main idea:

Neste Oil is celebrating their 20 years of sponsoring Rally Finland with an event in Helsinki the weekend before the actual rally. I don't know what cars they'll use, but it's going to be a battle between the current drivers and the old legends. So far Hänninen, Neuville, Ogier, Latvala and Östberg are in from the current drivers and Alen, Kankkunen, Mäkinen and Grönholm represent the legends.

I understand that they will use Huyndai and VW WRC-cars (teams Finland test cars)

[Hartusvuori]

I understand that they will use Huyndai and VW WRC-cars (teams Finland test cars)

In Helsingin Sanomat article it said it won't be the test cars which will be in use for testing that weekend, but it indeed will be extra chassises for this event alone. So I figure five Hyundais and five VWs will be shipped to Finland, three for the rally, one for tests and one for the PR event.

[Hartusvuori]

Also, Jyväskylä city goverment will make decision on their Monday March 17th meeting, whether they allow the closing of roads for city stage SS Harju. Proposition is in favour of the stage.

[Hartusvuori]

SS Harju will be part of this year Rally Finland in its planned 2,2 km form.

[Vepe]

SS Harju will be part of this year Rally Finland in its planned 2,2 km form.

And here's a map: http://t.co/mTfl6gxwvT

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BiqqsHgCUAAqBx7.png

[A.F.F.]

Very near the finish there is Kenttäkatu where I used to live when I was young and a boyfriend of all the women of Jyväskylä :)

[Simmi]

I will definitely be spectating on this stage. Very cool to have it back.

[pino]

Very near the finish there is Kenttäkatu where I used to live when I was young and a boyfriend of all the women of Jyväskylä :)

Cool, another reason to not to miss it ;)

[A.F.F.]

Still waiting my vacation schedule......

[Karukera]

I will go again to enjoy the Suomi stages. Last time was in... way too long ago.
I'll attend the rally with the usual Divers gang of the Sukeltaja which i am a proud member.
For the sake of a good journey, a Finn has to win the rally.
Kiitos

[Koceens]

Hi!

Has anyone hired a motorhome in Finland? I guess it's quite expensive, but have no idea how much?

[Hartusvuori]

Rally Guide 1 with all the necessary info at the moment published: http://www.nesteoilrallyfinland.fi/kilpailijat/

[Eli]

Going to see this Rally for the first time, and first time in general. I was wondering, where do i buy the tickets (rally pass) online or on spot, and how do i get to the stages if i don't have a car?

[OldF]

Tickets:
http://www.nesteoilrallyfinland.fi/en/tickets/

If you don’t have a car it’s difficult. Last year there was bus transportation from Jyväskylä to two stages, Ouninpohja and Mökkiperä. Ouninpohja is not on the itinerary (Kakaristo, SS 7&11 this year) this year but the same spectator area is on Kakaristo also (the Kakaristo junction which is very crowded). If there is any transportation to any stages this year we don’t know until the spectator guides magazines are published. The official one Tuulilasi on Thursday 17.7 and the traditional Vauhdin Maailma on Friday 18.7.

[Eli]

thankx for the reply but i will land in Finland on the 17th of July...and do i have to buy the tickets for the rally online?

[Franky]

thankx for the reply but i will land in Finland on the 17th of July...and do i have to buy the tickets for the rally online?

No, they are also sold usually at Neste service stations and service park. But as I remember single stage tickets are astronomically expensive.

[Eli]

thankx again

[OldF]

A warm up for NORF.

Neste Oil Rally Helsinki Battle

http://www.nestekampanjat.fi/helsinkibattle/index.php

[Hartusvuori]

Out of WRC regulars, Solowow has entered Rally Finland in Fiesta WRC. This will be his first visit to the event.

Entries will close next Monday, June 30th and provisional entry list will be published on Friday July 4th.

[Eli]

when i buy the tickets online, the Rally Pass includes the Super Special Stage right?

[vino_93]

Out of WRC regulars, Solowow has entered Rally Finland in Fiesta WRC. This will be his first visit to the event.

Entries will close next Monday, June 30th and provisional entry list will be published on Friday July 4th.

will there be some locals with WRC, as it happened ? Nikara, Rantanen, ... ?

[pantealex]

when i buy the tickets online, the Rally Pass includes the Super Special Stage right?

Yes, all the stages and servicepark.

[Eli]

thankx

[amilk]

Hello,

NORF 2014 will be for me the first Rally Finland and some questions are coming already in route planning phase and if some local/experienced rally mate can answer that would be great. I like to timeplan the rally but grow up on mediterran rounds of WRC where less strick rules are applied by marshals

- Is it possible to see spectator guide before (on internet) I'm there and buying the tickets? Very few information available from the stages and especially lot of new stages are there in this year. Would be helpfull if someone can upload it in jpg if available as in the last year.

- Out of the official spectator zones possbile to reach the stages on other places? (if I estimate on the map that technically possible due to available roads)

- What is the tipical walking distance between car parking and the stages.

- Heavy traffic jam expected between stages?

- If I'm on the stage at official spectator area can I walk in the forest further beside the stage to see less crowded places? Marshalls are hunting to me in such case if I'm not walking on the road?


Thanks in advance

[[WRCRR]]

will there be some locals with WRC, as it happened ? Nikara, Rantanen, ... ?

Nikara has entered in a Fiesta WRC. No idea which team's car it is. Besides the regulars there is also Breen and Solowow in Fiesta's.

[Franky]

- Out of the official spectator zones possbile to reach the stages on other places? (if I estimate on the map that technically possible due to available roads)

- What is the tipical walking distance between car parking and the stages.

- If I'm on the stage at official spectator area can I walk in the forest further beside the stage to see less crowded places? Marshalls are hunting to me in such case if I'm not walking on the road?

It is possible to reach the stage via other roads but usually those places either aren't interesting or all the roads lead to spectator points.

Walking distance depends on two factors, is the parking on a field or road side. Field parking is usually quite close but with road side parking you may have to walk several kilometers if you are arriving close to the time of the stage start.

You can move along the stage but in some places the marshals do hunt spectators, especially before the first car. If it is a prohibited zone (there are very large ones in some places), then most likely someone will tell you to move to another place.

[Hartusvuori]

You can move along the stage but in some places the marshals do hunt spectators, especially before the first car. If it is a prohibited zone (there are very large ones in some places), then most likely someone will tell you to move to another place.

Generally they've very strict about not walking on the road one hour before 1st car, but this of course depends on how is the marshall in sight behaving. But also generally, there good footpaths along the roads in the forests, especially in the stages and areas that have been used in previous years.

Parking is like Franky told + for first timers it often comes as a surprise that even for roadside parking and several kilometres walk you have to pay 3-5 euros for parking.

Some of the access roads seen on maps may be blocked. Those that are known to be blocked are marked on the official guide, but in a nutshell, the smaller the road gets, the less you can predict is it available or not. I don't remember having problems with access roads, but it's possible. Also, many of the official spectating points are nice places. Perhaps not the junctions, but many of the classic and iconic places are also official points. Then again, of course you can find your own perfect flat out corner and spectate it theoratically alone.

[Rallyper]

So entry list final is/was tonight at 6 pm. Haven´t found entry list yet. AKK websight is very hard to understand...

[Hartusvuori]

So entry list final is/was tonight at 6 pm. Haven´t found entry list yet. AKK websight is very hard to understand...

https://akk.autourheilu.fi/Public/Kiti/Competition/CompetitionOpen.aspx?id=3617&edit=0

-> click osallistujat tab

Remember this service is entry program for competitors, not for spectators, but spectators can have a view. Besides, I don't think it's final just yet, few notable names always comes up at the last minute.

[Rallyper]

https://akk.autourheilu.fi/Public/Kiti/Competition/CompetitionOpen.aspx?id=3617&edit=0

-> click osallistujat tab

Remember this service is entry program for competitors, not for spectators, but spectators can have a view. Besides, I don't think it's final just yet, few notable names always comes up at the last minute.

After third time (Kai linked also) I found it on AKK sight. My bad. Hope some more entrants. Saw that Pontus will not come. Very bad.

[Andre Oliveira]

Porsche ??? eheh what a great event to use a RGT

[Rallyper]

So 77 it is. No more entries expected then?

[Hartusvuori]

So 77 it is. No more entries expected then?

Maybe a few. 77 is the number of entries now in the KITI system, some might still be in email and now being added to the system. But it'll be around 80 anyway. Kai Tarkiainen suggested in radio interview this morning that one WRC crew "in different time zone" were allowed to continue their negotiations with sponsors yesterday and they might file in an entry today. By Friday, when the draft list is published, we'll know.

Also Jarkko Nikara was interviewed. He told they have plans to buy a proper test day in Fiesta WRC, but it's not certain yet. Hopefully he can get it, it'd up his chances a lot.

[pantealex]

So 77 it is. No more entries expected then?

it is over 80 now, I think still some WRC2 missing and other 4wd cars also, like Kristian Kiviniemi with ex.Salo evo X R4

support race "Vetomies" has 51 entries.

[latek]

No Lappi? I hoped he would start in WRC2 at least, maybe even in WRC for his home event.... :/

[rallyfiend]

No Lappi? I hoped he would start in WRC2 at least, maybe even in WRC for his home event.... :/

Geez, his management must be REALLY pissed at M-Sport over the 'prize that wasn't as expected...'.

[EightGear]

Geez, his management must be REALLY pissed at M-Sport over the 'prize that wasn't as expected...'.
I think you mean Tidemand. ;)

But what you say is true, it's a shame we sort of 'lost' him to rallycross.

[bluuford]

Well, Tiedeman was a good and smart driver but nothing too special. For me he was a bit overrated. He achived couple of good stagetimes in his home rally with good starting position with WRC.. and we have seen it before. He was champion with Fiesta R2, during the second year of Academy. But there is missing that last small bit.

[Rallyper]

Well, Tiedeman was a good and smart driver but nothing too special. For me he was a bit overrated. He achived couple of good stagetimes in his home rally with good starting position with WRC.. and we have seen it before. He was champion with Fiesta R2, during the second year of Academy. But there is missing that last small bit.

You must have missed his career in Sweden. And his achievements in international events. Many of you guys talking about nothing matters if you dont do many rallies, even tests before rallies. Tidemand have done almost none of that. Still he is fast, not fastest as you say, but how could that be, talking your launguage of how to keep up with the fastest in WRC...??
It´s true Tidemand not fokusing on rallying so much (that´s what it looks like at the moment) and that is a shame. But neither you or me know nothing what´s behind that. Money? probably and more of that in RX right now.
Lappi and Tidemand in same team, Tidemand with "free" starts in six events 2014 in WRC2 car. For me it´s a mystery how he´s missing in NORF. Lappi too.

[Susiraja]

No Lappi? I hoped he would start in WRC2 at least, maybe even in WRC for his home event.... :/

There's nothing to gain for Skoda to enter Lappi. They are focusing on ERC. Especially since they don't have the R5 car ready yet so why send Lappi to Finland with the S2000. And if Lappi would like to do it without the factory support then we would have to find the money from sponsors. I don't really see the value of going through all that effort when you already are a factory driver.

[Rallyper]

There's nothing to gain for Skoda to enter Lappi. They are focusing on ERC. Especially since they don't have the R5 car ready yet so why send Lappi to Finland with the S2000. And if Lappi would like to do it without the factory support then we would have to find the money from sponsors. I don't really see the value of going through all that effort when you already are a factory driver.

Skoda should be interested in having Lappi driving so many WRC rallies as possible. I guess he´s doing recce at least.

[rallyfiend]

I think you mean Tidemand. ;)

But what you say is true, it's a shame we sort of 'lost' him to rallycross.

Ah, yes. Indeed.

I'm an idiot....

[mousti]

Well, Tiedeman was a good and smart driver but nothing too special. For me he was a bit overrated. He achived couple of good stagetimes in his home rally with good starting position with WRC.. and we have seen it before. He was champion with Fiesta R2, during the second year of Academy. But there is missing that last small bit.

Tidemand was at his debut in Ypres very fast in the R2 class though..

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[Rallyper]

Tidemand was at his debut in Ypres very fast in the R2 class though..

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Agree. With same mileage and material he would be as fast as any of the top drivers in WRC. Hypothetical - yes, but not more than like Bluuford saying he isn´t too special.

[bluuford]

Agree. With same mileage and material he would be as fast as any of the top drivers in WRC. Hypothetical - yes, but not more than like Bluuford saying he isn´t too special.

Yes, I have my opinion based on my experience. Lets go back to NORF topic. Sorry for changeing the subject a little.

[Rallyper]

Yes, I have my opinion based on my experience. Lets go back to NORF topic. Sorry for changeing the subject a little.

Well, I think Tidemand is missing no matter what you think about his speed. Your experience seems to thin on this one.

BTW - any more late entries?

[samWRC]

Is Nicolas Fuchs going to drive Rally Finland? It's in his calendar for this season. Panikos Polykarpou and Simone Campedelli are missing from JWRC/WRC-3. Are they going to drive in Finland.

[harriswrc]

Is Nicolas Fuchs going to drive Rally Finland? It's in his calendar for this season. Panikos Polykarpou and Simone Campedelli are missing from JWRC/WRC-3. Are they going to drive in Finland. Polykarpou is injured after his accident in Poland. He hopes to come back at Deutschland. Campedelli didn't even start in Poland.

[pantealex]

www.nesteoilrallyfinland.fi/attachements/2014-07-04T10-18-32253.pdf

entrylist with numbers is out!

total 81

[DonJippo]

Don't know if this has been posted allready but Rally Finland youtube channel has recce in-car videos from all 2014 stages.

[Eli]

yes!!!! the Rally Passes have arrived:) can't wait for Rally Finland!!!

[WALTRAV]

How far ahead would you suggest making reservations of hotels ?
I'm saving for the trip next year, 2015.

[rallyfiend]

Helsinki Battle to be streamed on WRC.com

http://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/news/july/helsinki-battle/page/1566--12-12-.html

[makinen_fan]

Helsinki Battle to be streamed on WRC.com

http://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/news/july/helsinki-battle/page/1566--12-12-.html

Thanks for the heads up. This is something at least, but footage from the rally itself would have been better!

The times the mention is Finland time, right?

[Eli]

Has the map for the stages been released yet?

[pantealex]

Has the map for the stages been released yet?

Official Programme (Tuulilasi magazine) and no-official VM magazine are both out. Big maps in both.

[Eli]

Where can I find the programme ?

[Franky]

Where can I find the programme ?

Neste stations

[pantealex]

Neste stations

and all other shops/gas stations

ps.VM is only in finnish, Official Tuulilasi also in english. Otherwise both are as good.

[pantealex]

2 Hyundai trucks + trailers and 8 other trucks are already in NORF servicepark waiting.

[Nikey]

and all other shops/gas stations

ps.VM is only in finnish, Official Tuulilasi also in english. Otherwise both are as good.

Tuulilasi has a couple of articles that were a good read and official parking areas / places of road blocks. VM on the other hand has more depth in stage descriptions (only in Finnish). I honestly couldn't cope with just Tuulilasi since the official way nowadays is to get people into 3-6 places per stage and to me it's impossible to capture the heart of sport on tape from those areas. I'm just hoping there will be marshals that allow me to do just that and I get some fine material to put on my Youtube channel since this is my "cameraman career's" 10-year anniversary.

[pantealex]

Tuulilasi has a couple of articles that were a good read and official parking areas / places of road blocks. VM on the other hand has more depth in stage descriptions (only in Finnish). I honestly couldn't cope with just Tuulilasi since the official way nowadays is to get people into 3-6 places per stage and to me it's impossible to capture the heart of sport on tape from those areas. I'm just hoping there will be marshals that allow me to do just that and I get some fine material to put on my Youtube channel since this is my "cameraman career's" 10-year anniversary.

missing in VM scedule "Painaa 2" both magazine/map.

[Rallyper]

Anyone of our finnish friends having any tips on good places for NORF 2014? Very good having recce on youtube, but it´s not really enough. Stages #2 and 5 and 6 are new and interesting spots from your point of view would be nice...

[Patrick Bredi Butschell]

Hey guys,
I am visiting NORF this year again and I need some help :)

I would like to know where these places in the videos are:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMylLWgaDFU

~0:07 - 0:13
~0:26 - 0:30

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NB5VuT8f6A
~2:22 - 2:26

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsUyCVyTUEY
~0:19 - 0:23

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMQEY6Gv48k
~1:02 -1:06

Thanks in advance and best regards,
Patrick :)

[amilk]

Anyone of our finnish friends having any tips on good places for NORF 2014? Very good having recce on youtube, but it´s not really enough. Stages #2 and 5 and 6 are new and interesting spots from your point of view would be nice...

Yes, would be realy nice to have some proposals from local experts. :)

[Rallyper]

Yes, would be realy nice to have some proposals from local experts. :)

Yeah, they can just PM us if not go all the way public... ;)

[tommeke_B]

I doubt there are local experts who can give stage info, and are willing to do that... ;) Last time we went to Finland we took an extra day to drive some of the stages, this year we're doing the same again, it's a nice way to spend the day. :) I think the Finnish stages are full of amazing and exceptional places, it's really hard to recommend just a few places/stage, and quite difficult to estimate how spectacular/crazy a certain situation will be...

[Rallyper]

I doubt there are local experts who can give stage info, and are willing to do that... ;) Last time we went to Finland we took an extra day to drive some of the stages, this year we're doing the same again, it's a nice way to spend the day. :) I think the Finnish stages are full of amazing and exceptional places, it's really hard to recommend just a few places/stage, and quite difficult to estimate how spectacular/crazy a certain situation will be...

well, I happen to know that finnish friends are much more goodfellows than you´re telling... ;) I´ve had advices on this forum to some very good places in the past. Of course there will be some recce for us as well on the way and lots of places there are. The happiest moments is when you picked a place and find a bunch of finnish fans with leather gloves and the famous rope sitting hiding in your corner... :)

[Nikey]

It's really difficult to give advice regarding "good places" when for some people that means a possible crashing corner, some think of a high speed jump, some want multiple corners or corners over crests etc. Some are willing to sleep in the forest or walk 5 km for it, some can't or won't...Besides, I would hate to direct one of our visitors to a "bad place" (whatever that means). I don't like to draw more people to my own places for totally selfish reasons: It's usually a lot easier to work with my huge camera when I'm not totally crushed by other people. What I can do is tell that I would like to go to Päijälä (SS6/10) and 5-6 km from start, but my schedule just makes that impossible. There's a long left over small jump into tighter right which would probably look great on tape. Not the easiest place to drive fast.


...and by the way, not an "expert's" opinion, just a cameraman's

[pantealex]

Don't know if this has been posted allready but Rally Finland youtube channel has recce in-car videos from all 2014 stages.

easy way to choose what you want to see

[tommeke_B]

I've had plenty of help from some Finnish members here as well, a big thank you again to them. ;) But for stages it's always difficult to predict, what will be the most stunning places and where the crash-spots are.

I had a small look at the maps today. I'm not a local, but from my side 3 places that I'm surely going to do back again this year (and which I did in 2012).

The series of jumps on Ruuhimaki, before the finish, classic place to finish the rally. :) Also worth mentioning, some 500m before the jumps there's a nice series of corners, http://rally-image.be/foto/0311/images/121.jpg right-left into long right before the long straight. Back in 2012 Neuville went off there during shakedown, if I recall correctly.

SS Surkee, some 500m before the last hairpin of the stage (just before finish) there's a nice series of corners, of which the last one is a long left one ending in a nice jump. http://rally-image.be/foto/0311/images/117.jpg http://rally-image.be/foto/0311/images/102.jpg (both photos taken from the same point of view), exit of the jump: http://rally-image.be/foto/0311/images/129.jpg I heard the forest is cut now, so the overview is probably going to be even better. In 2012 some spectator had one, it was great to see a driver, and hear his interview on radio already long before the next car arrives. :)

SS Lankamaa. http://rally-image.be/foto/0311/images/091.jpg http://rally-image.be/foto/0311/images/118.jpg After some 1/3 of the stage there's a junction right close to a lake in the middle of the stage (Lankajarvi), follow the direction of the stage for some 200m and there's this place. right-left-long right, very sideways. :) A few big moments there, the downside was that it was extremely dusty.

[SubaruNorway]

Has anyone seen GPS coordinates for the stages?
Stage start for everyone would be awesome if they are in the magazine?

[Vepe]

Has anyone seen GPS coordinates for the stages?
Stage start for everyone would be awesome if they are in the magazine?

The VM-magazine has GPS coordinates for both start and finish. I can post them here or send you PM.

----------------------------------------------

Have you guys already decided where you'll be watching? (Tommeke seems to have a few spots decided already)

My plan is the following...

Skip Thursday because A) I have work and B) stages too far north

Friday morning either Päijälä or Pihlajakoski, then after Vetomies drive to Jyväskylä to A) test the Burger King there (there's two BK's in Helsinki and 1 in Tuusula, both 20 km from my home, never been in none of those...) and B) go see the Harju stage.

Saturday is the hardest decicion, because I'm going to be watching both runs of the stage, and Vetomies.
Last year I was at SS Mökkiperä where #107 (?) R2-Fiesta rolled. I might go somewhere around there, but I don't know how good of a spot that is when the stage is ran the opposite direction.
Having looked at the onboards from youtube and read through the VM-guide, I have two possible spots at SS Jukojärvi. 1) Somewhere from around 16 km to the intersection at 17 km. 2) Somewhere from the intersection at 18 km onwards.
And then Tommeke made the decision even harder by posting those magnificent shots from SS Surkee. Now I might go there (and maybe even have a chat with him).

Sunday is the easiest: somewhere in SS Ruuhimäki

[SubaruNorway]

The VM-magazine has GPS coordinates for both start and finish. I can post them here or send you PM.

If you could post the ones for start here I'm sure people would appreciate it very much! Not that easy doing it manually on the rally guide maps.

Then i would be ready for a recce drive on wednesday :)

[Rallyper]

Only object is that you should instead test the Restaurant Amarillo in Jyväskyläs city center. Very good spicy meals! It´s a must every year at least twice!!!

[Vepe]

I'll post the start coordinates tomorrow after work.

About Restaurant Amarillo, it seems a bit expensive to me (poor student, bla bla bla), but if I manage to gather enough money... Why not?

[pino]

So sad that for 3rd year in row, I won't be there ! :(

[pantealex]

from Printsport press release:
Karl Kruuda will start with their Fiesta S2000

[Vepe]

As promised, here are the GPS coordinates for the start of each Special Stage (Laajavuori Shakedown included)

Laajavuori:
62 15.453N 25 41.714E
Lankamaa:
62 25.726N 26 11.502E
Jouhtikylä:
62 40.643N 26 21.394E
Harju:
62 14.485N 25 44.446E
Pihlajakoski:
61 40.647N 25 22.561E
Päijälä:
61 31.436N 24 53.741E
Kakaristo:
61 48.985N 25 00.921E
Painaa:
61 59.620N 25 27.374E
Mökkiperä:
62 25.299N 25 23.790E
Jukojärvi:
62 21.620N 24 55.968E
Surkee:
62 08.075N 25 27.643E
Himos:
61 52.838N 25 18.007E
Leustu:
61 57.167N 25 18.888E
Ruuhimäki:
62 12.416N 26 12.116E
Myhinpää:
62 28.364N 26 36.843E

[OldF]

Jarkko Nikara’s livery. Source https://twitter.com/planetemarcus/status/491975239442923521/photo/1

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BtPY30CCAAAihEF.jpg

[SubaruNorway]

As promised, here are the GPS coordinates for the start of each Special Stage (Laajavuori Shakedown included)

Laajavuori:
62 15.453N 25 41.714E
Lankamaa:
62 25.726N 26 11.502E
Jouhtikylä:
62 40.643N 26 21.394E
Harju:
62 14.485N 25 44.446E
Pihlajakoski:
61 40.647N 25 22.561E
Päijälä:
61 31.436N 24 53.741E
Kakaristo:
61 48.985N 25 00.921E
Painaa:
61 59.620N 25 27.374E
Mökkiperä:
62 25.299N 25 23.790E
Jukojärvi:
62 21.620N 24 55.968E
Surkee:
62 08.075N 25 27.643E
Himos:
61 52.838N 25 18.007E
Leustu:
61 57.167N 25 18.888E
Ruuhimäki:
62 12.416N 26 12.116E
Myhinpää:
62 28.364N 26 36.843E

Thanks a million! :D

Can't wait to go back and get some more jumps on tape! :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2z4YF9DG54M

[Franky]

Honestly can't wait till next Thursday. Haven't been to NORF since 2009. Unlike most people here I'll be going blind to the stages without previous recce.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Mikko's test car with new front...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BtVcieoCMAAzJS8.jpg:large

[janvanvurpa]

SO disappointed...Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr...
40th year in a row I'm not going....satan....:mad:

[pantealex]

www.nesteoilrallyfinland.fi/attachements/2014-07-23T09-56-38253.pdf

Map of servicepark with car numbers

[T.Maanteiden kuningas]

http://www.m-sport.co.uk/m-sport-news/fiesta-rs-wrc/finnish-debut-for-facelift-fiesta.html

Fiesta facelift

Sorry if this is wrong place.

[raikkonen]

Pantealex ,
thankx for the posts

[SubaruNorway]

Will they start in championship order on friday, or is it enough km's on thursday to revers them?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

RALLY HELSINKI BATTLE: Watch Rally Helsinki Battle LIVE online tomorrow at Midday:

http://www.wrc.com/live-ticker/live_popup_stream.html

Programme:

11.00 Welcoming words
11.30-12.30 Action on the track Cross cars, Moor Gääs rally cars by Nelonen Spyder Roadster
12.45 Warm-up races
14:45 0-car
15.00 Group B car - Juha Kankkunen
15:10 Qualifications for the Legends
16.00 Qualifications for the Stars
17.00 Neste Oil Ralli Helsinki Battle –final Awards ceremony

http://www.nestekampanjat.fi/helsinkibattle/

[donlorean]

Will they start in championship order on friday, or is it enough km's on thursday to revers them?

Don't think so... Probably it's same than last year so thursday and friday is going to be same starting order...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Ostberg & Ogier warming up for Helsinki Battle:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BtdkANkIUAAEh_4.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Btdj2l8IUAAbOEi.jpg:large

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Drivers enjoying the press conference:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BtdezYLCcAA0cJp.jpg:large

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Cant wait to see this monster in action !!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BtdkUigIAAEk6_s.jpg:large

[satukata]

Cant wait to see this monster in action !!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BtdkUigIAAEk6_s.jpg:large

ANY STREAM FROM helsinki?

wrc.COM IS NOT WORKING IN FINLAND DUE TV RIGHTS

[Fast Eddie WRC]

ANY STREAM FROM helsinki?

wrc.COM IS NOT WORKING IN FINLAND DUE TV RIGHTS

No sorry cant find another stream. Many from Finland are complaining about this... :(

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Grönholm is 9.6s quicker than Alén !

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Bosse still leads, just !

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BteI5CpIEAAVxrO.png

[satukata]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BteI5CpIEAAVxrO.png

thanks for pictures and info. Keep it going :)

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Legends times:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BteLEuDIAAA5KYn.jpg:large

[satukata]

Legends times:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BteLEuDIAAA5KYn.jpg:large

thanks Eddie.

[satukata]

any info about stars practise times?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

I dont think they timed them in practice.

BTW, some good photos coming here: https://storify.com/RallyingUK/rally-helsinki-battle-in-pictures

[satukata]

thanx again

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Nice pic of the four Finnish rally legends:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BteOWtYIEAAHSpb.jpg

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Current drivers have started qualifying - Neuville first run slower than Gronholm !

[Lundefaret]

Close fight between Grönholm and Mäkinen. Gröhnolm fastest by 0.8, but Mäkinen faster, but bogged down on the last corner (tried to take it in second).
Both Grönholm and Mäkinen very precise. Both made some small mistakes giving away a little two much centimetres in the barrel turns. Tommi was better getting acceleration out, (waited for more rotation, and more progressive on the accelerator), and would have been the fastest if not for the mistake in the last corner.

[andyone]

neuville second run was awesome 1.28.5 1.5 seconds faster.. nice one

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Neuville quicker in run 2... his times are just against the other current stars though.

Gronholm already in the Final. :)

[Lundefaret]

Neuville overshoot at the first barrel turn on the first run, but quicly in to the rythm. Very presice in the second run, a small mistake in one of the barrel runs, and could speed up the rotation, but very good/progressive in the acceleration. The time was good, and only a very presice run will challenge the time. This will be close:) Seb up now!

[andyone]

Ogier on the polo next. lets see

[Lundefaret]

Seb a little to hot in the first half of the first run, but settled in a Ogier-rythm. Very close to the "barrel" in the barrel turn in the second half.

[andyone]

first run slower than Neuville. lets see next.

[satukata]

what was ogiers 1st time?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

0.2s faster for Ogier !

[Lundefaret]

-0.2 on Neuville. Lost a few tents on giving away to many cm on one of the "barrel" turns. Polo accelerates very good from stand still, Ogier very progressive on the acceleration, but a little too hot in the chicane. Actually not as good as one could expect from Ogier. But still fastest, off cource;)

[Lundefaret]

Mads a little to unprecice in the barrel runs. Not enough surpluss of speed, so under rotates, and giving away to many cm.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Ostberg yes fastest !

[Rallyper]

Whats this? MAking PR having live-tv and the day comes there are issues about TV-rights?? Yet another downside trying making WRC popular...

[andyone]

yeeees. Ostberg is faster than Ogier awesome

[satukata]

Ostberg yes fastest !

GREAT MADS!! Hope same continues in Rally Finland

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Mikko next up... hana Mikko !!

[Lundefaret]

Mads with a very good improvement in the second run. Very good accelerations. He could even have been faster, wow!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Mikko's new look Fiesta WRC in action but only 3rd:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BteVKoDCIAAmBGl.png

[Lundefaret]

Mikko to wide and not progressive enough on acceration. 0.5 behind Mads.

[satukata]

GO Jari-Matti!!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Times so far:

1-Ostberg
2-Ogier +00:00.3
3-Neuville +00:00.5
4-Hirvonen +00:00.5

[Lundefaret]

Hänninen a little to umpresice trough the whole run. 5th fastest.

[Franky]

Whats this? MAking PR having live-tv and the day comes there are issues about TV-rights?? Yet another downside trying making WRC popular...

If you pay for something, would you be happy if the other company got the same thing for free?

[Lundefaret]

Latvala now, this will exciting!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

JML up now... here we go !

[Rallyper]

If you pay for something, would you be happy if the other company got the same thing for free?

So who´s paying then? Millions of lads wanting to see this in their home country, or a few people somewhere having a banana channel sending crap 24-7?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Think JML is trying too hard here ...

More doughnuts to wear off the rubber.. :)

[Lundefaret]

Typical Latvala on the first run, to much energy going everywhere. Think he did that for show, and to get the tires worn down.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Yep JML is slower ... Mads wins !

[Lundefaret]

Mads fastest. NEF:)

[satukata]

what was JMLs time?

[Franky]

So who´s paying then? Millions of lads wanting to see this in their home country, or a few people somewhere having a banana channel sending crap 24-7?

Cool down now.
It was mentioned before that there's a conflict with TV rights. And you have to admit that free to view channels are becoming minority and most are subscription or premium subscription channels, who try to snatch valuable TV rights to get more viewers. And in the money world no one gives a s... about "millions" of lads, if you get money from the highest bidder.

[Rallyper]

Cool down now.
It was mentioned before that there's a conflict with TV rights. And you have to admit that free to view channels are becoming minority and most are subscription or premium subscription channels, who try to snatch valuable TV rights to get more viewers. And in the money world no one gives a s... about "millions" of lads, if you get money from the highest bidder.

I´m cool. But on Twitter they aren´t....

[andyone]

Good luck old man.. lol

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Mads to Gronholm:"Good luck, old man!" :D

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Btebd7NCcAEq0y8.jpg

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Mads 2.7 ahead after 1st run.

Another run coming by Marcus ...

[Lundefaret]

Mads very good in the final, will be tough to beat. Gr¨nholm way to umprecise in the first run, and very non progressive in the acceleration. One more run.

[Lundefaret]

Grönholm with some very good barrel turns in his final run, but not good accelerations. Mads wins well deserved. Congratulations!

[makinen_fan]

Really enjoyed this one, great idea to organise it! Especially i liked the informal tone to the whole show!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Hard luck Marcus but you are still the Legends champion ! Well done on the win to Mads - nice not have Ogier on top again.

https://o.twimg.com/2/proxy.jpg?t=HBgtaHR0cDovL3N0YXRpYy5vdy5seS9waG90b3 Mvb3JpZ2luYWwvNm1iYW4uanBnFIQMFMAIABYAEgA&s=6M6hVNySRkoi_Ns7xY9SV2bC-n5-pjI574cN_ceM9Ko

Good event and great to see our old heroes in action again. But if they run it again I'd prefer a SSS-style track with cars running against each other.

[HarriK]

So, correct me if I'm not right: this battle was not able to be seen in Finland nowhere in tv? Not even in ruutu.fi? I didn't find any live broadcast...
not even possible to pay any broadcast?
I wasn't able to be in Helsinki and not even nearby computer at the start of this battle...

[Rallyper]

So, correct me if I'm not right: this battle was not able to be seen in Finland nowhere in tv? Not even in ruutu.fi? I didn't find any live broadcast...

Only loosers then. Even investers maybe? sad for organizer which I guess has nothing to do with it... Or maybe I´m naiv.

[Zeakiwi]

Kankkunen will have to bring the Peugeot 205 E2 next year instead of the Audi.

[stefanvv]

Kankkunen will have to bring the Peugeot 205 E2 next year instead of the Audi.

Why?

[NikoP]

http://i559.photobucket.com/albums/ss40/ralli1/tommi2_zps5544e154.jpg (http://nikop.kuvat.fi/kuvat/2014/Neste+Oil+Ralli+Helsinki+Battle/)

Neste Oil Rally Helsinki Battle photos (http://nikop.kuvat.fi/kuvat/2014/Neste+Oil+Ralli+Helsinki+Battle/)

It was a nice, well-organised event. Good promotion for the sport.

[Subbe]

Few pictures from HELSINKI BATTLE (http://www.mkpictures.com/2014/HelsinkiBattle2014.html)

[Hartusvuori]

So, correct me if I'm not right: this battle was not able to be seen in Finland nowhere in tv? Not even in ruutu.fi? I didn't find any live broadcast...
not even possible to pay any broadcast?
I wasn't able to be in Helsinki and not even nearby computer at the start of this battle...

As far as I know, first broadcast in Finland will be this afternoon on Nelonen (free channel). It wasn't legally available live.

[nafpaktos]

Really nice show.it was good to see legends driving modern rally cars!but i cannot accept that Markus was on legend category,i cannot accept he stopped.

[OldF]

SO disappointed...Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr...
40th year in a row I'm not going....satan....:mad:

You didn’t take the opportunity to come and spectate when you lived in Sweden. Was it all about motocross in those days or did you consider it scary to go to Finland.;)

[OldF]

This year Myhinpää is on the itinerary again after a few years break (Last time 2009 & 2010). Before 2009 it was along break, last time in 1994. JML said in Vauhdin Maailma’s spectator guide that he like Myhinpää better than Ouninpohja. I also read few comments from drivers (Hannu Mikkola, Markku Alen and Ari Vatanen who’s favourite stage Myhinpää was) from beginning of 90s issues and it seems that the drivers like the stage and it was/is one of “the” stages.

I watched the recce in-car video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0dQkvNMJxQ) and I must say that it was easier to find the nice spots with the help of the spectator guides 1992 and 1993. In 1992 Myhinpää included the small road as it does this year.

Those old spectator guides included more spots for spectating than current guides. As it have been lately, spectator guides nowadays direct spectators to preferred spots instead of spectacular spots. I also noted that there are no driver comments in the official spectator guide “Tuulilasi” about the stages. Anyway this is what I could found out comparing current and old spectator guides whit the recce in-car video. The km is more or less “about”.

NORF 1990 (or 1000 lakse as it was calledin those days).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xj_uqi4RbQk Myhinpää 20:30 – 23:50. Second part with jumps is at the beginning of spectator area D. Notice also “the service parks”.:)


56s / 0,7 km Bend, jump.
1:21 / 1,1 – 1,7 km Triple jumps.
2:35 / 2,3 km Jumps, bend and slope.
4:02 / 3,0 – 3,5 km Bends, jumps and junction to a smaller road.
4:55-5:55 / 4,2 – 5,3 km Bends, gently sloping uphill that turns to a downhill bend.
5:15 / 4,9 – 5,2 km Jumps, bends, good.
6:00 / 5,6 km Jump.
7:20 / 6,6 km Narrow bridge, nice place
7:42 / ? km Junction to right.
8:26 / 7,6 km Small jump and tightening S-bend.
9:31 / 8,6 km Junction to right
10:35 / 9,8 – 10,1 km Jumps
12:30 / 11,6 – 11,8 km Jump, surprising T-junction, jumps
12:55 / 12,1 km Downhill, bend
14:40 / 13,5 km Downhill and jumps, fast right after uphill
15:15 Access road to spectator area D
15:55 / 15 km Bend
16:05 / 15,7 km Bend in uphill
16:35 / 16,2 km S-bends in uphill
18.50 / 17,5 km Jumps and bends in downhill, bends in uphill (spot 12 in 1992 guide)
20.20 / 19,3 km Bends, jumps
21:50 / 21,2 km Bridge
Bends near finish.

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii284/OkdF/Myhinpaumlauml1992kaikki_zps36773723.jpg

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii284/OkdF/Myhinpaumlauml1993kaikki_zps6cdea583.jpg

[Rallyper]

56 sek is where Henning rolled in 2010?

Edit: the place at 1:50? Not 56 s.

[MartijnS]

Really looking forward to the rally now! :) Flying tuesday morning. Working on the preperations now, looks like a great timing, possible to see a lot of stages!

[janvanvurpa]

You didn’t take the opportunity to come and spectate when you lived in Sweden. Was it all about motocross in those days or did you consider it scary to go to Finland.;)

More than 100%... I really DID want to go to Finland because I heard so much about adventures at Ruskeasanta and Hyvinkää which were both and sand, and I was pretty good on sand...

As for thinking it too scary...come on I my have been living there but I wasn't a Swede! I mean I did emigrate on my own to Sweden when I was 17....most Swedish men are still living at home when they are 33-34!!
But the time and the money wasn't there, and I was living with a nice Swedish girl---and I would have gotten in too much trouble if i went to Finland.

[dimviii]

Jan out of curiosity whats your origin?

[janvanvurpa]

Jan out of curiosity whats your origin?

Gringo daddy and mi mamasita was raised in Panama...I began life in Spanish--and a mixed Latin/Caribbean/Italian culture was strong in the house with many of my Mamasita's brother and sisters coming to stay with us..
I lived in many places in the US South East, then move to Seattle here when I was 15 and then because I want to "do it like they do it" and learn the craft of moto-cross I moved to Sweden first when I was 17--1970... Next time better prepared was when I was 19, then 21 for 2 years then eventually I maintained a foot in Sweden and I traveled all around Europe doing International Moto-cross---although mainly in France...(good pay, lower costs, lots of events and very good people..my favorites..)
Then after I'm all beat up, I lived in London a while then I come back to this area when I was 30 and went to University---and chased lots of cuties...

I went back to main love with bikes which was Enduros---all day long in the woods--takes a toughness which I had in abundance , note HAD-----and one day when its raining hard and maybe 5-6 degrees I see a sign on a tree "WARNING!! This road will be closed on xx Nov between kl 19.46 and 21.46 for SCCA Pro Rally"

And I remember I thought "I bet those bastids ain't soaked to the bone and freezing. " And I decided to build a car and try it out.

Now just like in moto-cross when i begin the "Ricans" aren't any good, well it was---and to a large degree still is that the so called "best" have not a clue what they are doing, and drive extremely poorly...
Brendon Reeves from Ozzie-land came to visit. Nice guy but driving 1,6 Fiesta normal aspirated and a Sadev box---and he beat everybody in the USA and visiting Canadians but a couple of the millionaire guys..good 3rd and 4th Overall...beating 20+ turbo Blue Subarus....and our roads are very fast average speed...115-130 km/hr often (and remember its guys like Brock who really are what NOT calls "Village drivers")..

So origin? That's is rarely important, cause that's just where you start, more important is what you set goals..
I did the motorsports because mainly I wanted to go see and learn from the whole world---and that was a way to pay for it--by getting paid!
So born in USA, but by inclination and experience and by heart an Internationalist..
Ah! time for that great song!

Debout! les damnés de la terre
Debout! les forçats de la faim
La raison tonne en son cratère,
C’est l’éruption de la fin.
Du passé faisons table rase
Foule esclave, debout! debout!
Le monde va changer de base
Nous ne sommes rien, soyons tout!


C’est la lutte finale
Groupons-nous et demain
L’Internationale
Sera le genre humain.



Well the WRC is International isn't it? We are united in our passion!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Kankkunen will have to bring the Peugeot 205 E2 next year instead of the Audi.

Nothing is more spectacular looking or sounding than the Quattro. Nothing.

http://www.rallye-magazin.de/uploads/pics/AudiS1.jpg

[Lundefaret]

Looking forward to Finland. Going by camper tomorrow with the Nose End First crew. So if anybody wants to talk driving technique theory until they drop, just look us up:)

[dimviii]

Well the WRC is International isn't it? We are united in our passion!

thanks for answering Jan!

[Doon]

Gringo daddy and mi mamasita was raised in Panama...I began life in Spanish--and a mixed Latin/Caribbean/Italian culture was strong in the house with many of my Mamasita's brother and sisters coming to stay with us..
I lived in many places in the US South East, then move to Seattle here when I was 15 and then because I want to "do it like they do it" and learn the craft of moto-cross I moved to Sweden first when I was 17--1970... Next time better prepared was when I was 19, then 21 for 2 years then eventually I maintained a foot in Sweden and I traveled all around Europe doing International Moto-cross---although mainly in France...(good pay, lower costs, lots of events and very good people..my favorites..)
Then after I'm all beat up, I lived in London a while then I come back to this area when I was 30 and went to University---and chased lots of cuties...

I went back to main love with bikes which was Enduros---all day long in the woods--takes a toughness which I had in abundance , note HAD-----and one day when its raining hard and maybe 5-6 degrees I see a sign on a tree "WARNING!! This road will be closed on xx Nov between kl 19.46 and 21.46 for SCCA Pro Rally"

And I remember I thought "I bet those bastids ain't soaked to the bone and freezing. " And I decided to build a car and try it out.

Now just like in moto-cross when i begin the "Ricans" aren't any good, well it was---and to a large degree still is that the so called "best" have not a clue what they are doing, and drive extremely poorly...
Brendon Reeves from Ozzie-land came to visit. Nice guy but driving 1,6 Fiesta normal aspirated and a Sadev box---and he beat everybody in the USA and visiting Canadians but a couple of the millionaire guys..good 3rd and 4th Overall...beating 20+ turbo Blue Subarus....and our roads are very fast average speed...115-130 km/hr often (and remember its guys like Brock who really are what NOT calls "Village drivers")..

So origin? That's is rarely important, cause that's just where you start, more important is what you set goals..
I did the motorsports because mainly I wanted to go see and learn from the whole world---and that was a way to pay for it--by getting paid!
So born in USA, but by inclination and experience and by heart an Internationalist..
Ah! time for that great song!

Debout! les damnés de la terre
Debout! les forçats de la faim
La raison tonne en son cratère,
C’est l’éruption de la fin.
Du passé faisons table rase
Foule esclave, debout! debout!
Le monde va changer de base
Nous ne sommes rien, soyons tout!


C’est la lutte finale
Groupons-nous et demain
L’Internationale
Sera le genre humain.



Well the WRC is International isn't it? We are united in our passion!

I've just realised who you are. The chap from 'Easier Said Than Done'? You are a legend!

[Hartusvuori]

Riedemann will not start in Finland due to injured elbow.
http://www.wrc.com/en/jwrc/news/2014/july/finland-preview/page/1589--52-52-.html

[Rallyper]

A bit OT but we are many fellows wanting to show up on a place where everyone could come. Which rally?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Craig Breen Fiesta WRC - impressive PET video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-bWLRaWQKc

[Andre Oliveira]

http://ewrc-results.com/foto.php?e=18288&t=Test-Latvala-2014

http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2014/photos/test_latvala_2014/dba_img_4711.jpg
http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2014/photos/test_latvala_2014/dba_img_4749.jpg
http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2014/photos/test_latvala_2014/dba_img_4739.jpg

[Andre Oliveira]

http://www.ewrc-results.com/search_photo.php?season=2014&event=0&autor=365&typ=&driver=69&codriver=0&car=0

http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2014/photos/test_ostberg_finlande_2014/dba_img_4841.jpg
http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2014/photos/test_ostberg_finlande_2014/dba_img_4858.jpg
http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2014/photos/test_ostberg_finlande_2014/dba_img_4892.jpg

[Andre Oliveira]

http://ewrc-results.com/search_photo.php?season=0&event=0&autor=365&typ=&driver=8567&codriver=0&car=0

http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2014/photos/test_kubica_2014/dba_img_4955.jpg
http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2014/photos/test_kubica_2014/dba_img_4479.jpg
http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2014/photos/test_kubica_2014/dba_img_4980.jpg

[dimviii]

Paddon at recce
https://scontent-b-mad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/t1.0-9/10580192_708725185829940_1581831242538223757_n.jpg


stage 1-3
http://www.forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_07_2014/post-1592-0-05394500-1406626957.jpg

[SubaruNorway]

Just got to Jyväskylä! :)

Off topic question, but could anybody lead me to a store that sells the Gopro 3 audio cable around here?

[Franky]

SubaruNorway, check out this page - http://www.futureretail.fi/jalleenmyyjat/

On the right click on GoPro and then browse the map. Hopefully one of the stores also has the audio cable.

[Juha_Koo]

Bluuford, what's your view on tomorrow, apparently there can be some very heavy thunderstorm cells in the rally area...?

[samWRC]

It looks like Marco Vallario and Alexey Semenov won't start the rally. Their numbers don't appear on the final layout of the service park. And I also noticed that there wasn't Salah Bin Eidan's car at the MM-Motorsport tent today at the service park so looks like he has also withdrawn from the race.

[Jafry]

Photos from service before start HERE: http://www.rally-mania.cz/photogallery.php?id=1287

[Criterium]

Are you ready for a last recce tour ?
Rally Finland is on RallyVista:
http://i39.servimg.com/u/f39/15/38/23/21/presrv13.jpg (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=1096&u=15382321)

interactiveinfluence.com/techali/rallyvista/

[SubaruNorway]

Bluuford, what's your view on tomorrow, apparently there can be some very heavy thunderstorm cells in the rally area...? No shit! Hopefully it won't be as bad as now around Lankamaa tomorrow.

[andyone]

Good luck to the flying finns one of them to win it

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[Juha_Koo]

No shit! Hopefully it won't be as bad as now around Lankamaa tomorrow.

I'm in the car going to SD, all morning radio news broadcasts are warning of "the most severe thunderstorm cells today in this summer". Also we saw some tree damage in the southern direction while driving up towards Jkylä.

Anyway, let's hope stages remain in good condition!

I'm a short guy, wearing white NORF piquet shirt with sponsorship decals and black shorts. Come to say hello if you see me! :)

[Eli]

Are the busses running today are from 14:30 or only in 14:30, and also what time do they go back to service?

[KKS]

any news about times on shake?

[VFTS]

So far:
Latvala 2.26.1
Ostberg 2.26.7
Mikkelsen 2.27.0
Solberg 2.27.7
Hirvonen 2.27.9
Hanninen 2.28.2

[KKS]

Finish drivers on Finish rally!

Ogier crashed? :D

[jonkka]

1. Jari-Matti Latvala Volkswagen 2.26,1 (two runs)
2. Mads Östberg Citroën +0,6 (three runs)
3. Andreas Mikkelsen Volkswagen +0,9
4. Henning Solberg Ford +1,6
5. Mikko Hirvonen Ford +1,8 (four runs)
6. Juho Hänninen Hyundai +2,1
7. Robert Kubica Ford +2,3
8. Kris Meeke Citroën +2,3
9. Jarkko Nikara Ford +2,8
10. Sebastien Ogier Volkswagen +2,9 (two runs, no crash reported)

[makinen_fan]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bt2tAVKCQAAvA0S.jpg

[MartijnS]

Some photos of the shakedown online at our Facebook Page:

https://scontent-b-ams.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/t1.0-9/10527564_682500691837903_8371332656340209511_n.jpg

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.682500585171247.1073741859.102597653161546&type=1 !
Difficult stage to make some decent photos without a media tabard, but I tried ;)

[garais22]

PHOTO: Finland WRC Shakedown
http://www.go4speed.lv/lv/photo/wrc/803-foto-somijas-wrc-shakedown/

[KKS]

hm ... this SD makes me happy!
I hope this tendency will stay on rally too

[Zeakiwi]

Is Ogier's strategy not to show his true speed until the stages?

[Mintexmemory]

Is Ogier's strategy not to show his true speed until the stages?

I should think that is highly probable. He doesn't have any choice but to start first on the road so why risk the car in a big cohones contest with JML, who does need to establish his credentials for his own mental comfort. What Seb O is effectively doing is sowing some doubt in JML's head that there was no contest so just how quick Ogier is remains to be seen. Far better for him to be 2 secs slower than JML than 0.1

[makinen_fan]

If there was something to win from SD, Seb would have pushed for the best time. But now there is no point in it.
And he is not like other drivers that usually do 4 runs to get the feeling (eg Mikko)

[noel157]

SD from Joost and co @ Rallymedia- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDJQ8rNCUGM&feature=em-uploademail

[Jafry]

Photos from shakedown HERE: http://www.rally-mania.cz/photogallery.php?id=1287

[Leon]

from best of rallylive:

Fellow VW star Sébastien Ogier only made two attempts, too, but the second was marred by a small mistake which cost the life of one of his Michelin LTX Force S4 tyres. “We were too far on the inside through one corner and we hit a rock,” reported co-driver Julien Ingrassia. In addition to their modest time (2m29.0s, 10th fastest), they will above all regret having squandered one of the 28 S4 tyres they have been allocated for the week.

[miniwintz]

They decided to start with a slight handicap to keep the game fair to the other drivers :D

[eib1]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bt30_fCIQAAx4-I.jpg:large

[thuGG]

What's with http://rally-base.com/, why there's no Finland there?

[KKS]

Very, very wet will be on SS1

[dimviii]

Colin Clark @voiceofrally · 6 λεπ.
Oh dear we're all going to get extremely wet!Skies above SS1 are darkening, thunder is rolling and lightening is forking! Where's my brolly?

[andyone]

Any live streaming?

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[makinen_fan]

Shakedown video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgvWFax2Z5c

[dimviii]

Colin Clark @voiceofrally · 2 λεπ.
Chucking it down at end of SS1. Not sure if that's thunder or the announcement that the world is about to end! Biblical proportions!

[makinen_fan]

Start of SS1
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bt3-vYJIMAAJiNo.jpg:large

[dimviii]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=r219jF6AXQg

[makinen_fan]

Do we know what tyres each crew chose?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Rally-base is working now ! :)

[dimviii]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=cZUzT5ygn4k

[makinen_fan]

How does the splits in WRC+ compare to the wrc website?

So far Citroen website miles better as always:
http://www.citroenracing.com/en/live-results/?id=7417&typf=split&idEpr=SS1

[arko5]

But not all splits again...

[JTGANG]

Latvala 3" faster than Ogier

It is funny....If you follow each car in the WRC+ when the car passes the flying,time is still counting due to fact that car is still moving and after about 1 minute you get the real stage time

[KKS]

hmm, well done JML!

[dimviii]

Henning with fast 1st split

[KKS]

Fantastic run form Meeke!