Rallye Monte Carlo 2014

[RS]

Was 11th overall best result ever in Monte-Carlo for a 2WD car(Chardonnet) :confused:

Mini? :)

Also Skoda Felicia 11th and 12th in 1997 with less gap to the winner on longer rally.

Still, great job by Chardonnet.

[dimviii]

What was so bad about this, didn't get it

its not bad to be lucky.
Lucky for what?

for the lottery he won.

[stefanvv]

for the lottery he won.
Lottery? he didn't won it, he was handicapped and still won it - that is materpiece

[Astro83]

stop fighting guys! :smokin:

[RJM]

Awesome rally, happy for meeke after following him for many years, finally he can show what he can do this year, bouffier was a great surprise, hope he gets some more drives this season, kubica was incredible for his experience, he will win on tarmac in the future. Evans was also good, glad he got to the finish, he is one for the future for sure, ogier could win every rally this year... hope not! :D

[dimviii]

for the lottery he won.
Lottery? he didn't won it, he was handicapped and still won it - that is materpiece
sorry you cant understand.

[stefanvv]

for the lottery he won.
Lottery? he didn't won it, he was handicapped and still won it - that is materpiece
sorry you cant understand.
Can't understand that Ogier deserved his victory? I think I understand that ;)

[danon]

cut the booze

[dimviii]

Can't understand that Ogier deserved his victory? I think I understand that ;)

no you cant.

[stefanvv]

Can't understand that Ogier deserved his victory? I think I understand that ;)

no you cant.
Ok, so who deserved it and why?

[Timole]

photos from saturday http://timoanis.eu/season-2014/wrc-rallye-monte-carlo/. enjoy!

[HarriK]

and made a few mistakes, but very, very small ones.

hahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!

post of the year!


50 beers from me! :laugh:
No problem :D
So ti is 53 so far :facelick:
¨You so drunk soon!

[Rallyper]

So Meeke is not a regular? Or what?

Yes he is but have not the same rutin, far from the same rutin as Östberg etc.. :)[/quote]

Sluta snacka om rutin. Meeke har rutin så det räcker, eller?[/quote]


Har Meeke samma rutin som Östberg, JML m.fl i WRC sammanhang/tävlingar?!?! skojar du eller...
Du bör nog läsa på. Meeke har tävlat länge, ingen jävla nybörjare men att han har samma rutin som alla andra i WRC är skrattretande.

GO MEEKE[/quote]

Rallydrivers and rallydrivers at this level. everyone is experienced at this level, no matter what.

[stefanvv]

photos from saturday http://timoanis.eu/season-2014/wrc-rallye-monte-carlo/. enjoy!
Well done!

[dimviii]

Can't understand that Ogier deserved his victory? I think I understand that ;)

no you cant.
Ok, so who deserved it and why?

Sorry you cant understand.

[stefanvv]

Yes, I can. Who and why?

[dimviii]

nice photo
http://imageshack.com/a/img844/3289/e3oq.jpg

[stefanvv]

Finally, some Turnini:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eb4QFHPtFZc

[stefanvv]

I'm waitnng.........

[Bartek]

I hope WRC will upload onboard from Turini stage, photos looks amazing

[Franky]

Was 11th overall best result ever in Monte-Carlo for a 2WD car(Chardonnet) :confused:

Mini? :)

Also Skoda Felicia 11th and 12th in 1997 with less gap to the winner on longer rally.

Still, great job by Chardonnet.

In 1998 Mr. Panizzi finished 9th in a Peugeot 306 Maxi

[stefanvv]

I can accept Ogier vs Loeb battle is finished. Well done Mr Ogier!

[Jafry]

Photos from Col de Turini HERE: http://www.rally-mania.cz/photogallery.php?id=1225

[Brother John]

Congratulations to the top 3 and all the other drivers on arrival. :cool:

It is regrettable that many people still do not understand here the WRC.
I have never read so much nonsense as now and last year.

Also regrettable Many good Threads and discussions have disappeared along with many forum friends. :(

[Mintexmemory]

Sitting in Nice departure lounge watching Gwyndaf and Phil (and families) drink their Costas - must be feeling very proud of EE. Haven't had time to read this thread yet and I'll be posting some pics in the next day or so. Thoroughly enjoyed the week although I stood in the pouring rain at Moulinet for 9 hours for just the 1 competitive pass. Either a road is fit to include in a rally or not. Obviously the cars have to be properly booted, but with modern communications an 'off' that takes time to rectify shouldn't lead to the cancellation of the entire competitive section! Do the AC de M reallly have what it takes to organise a night run over the Turini with modern expextations? My immediate advice to anyone considering visiting next year's event - don't bother with the Saturday it's not worth the bother, expense and risk of seeing nothing (or little, unless drunken Italians are a spectator sport now! ;) )

[stefanvv]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DD-e3IZOvCs

[sindroms]

All three days review in HD are available for download. PM ;)

[Kielder]

Congratulations to the top 3 and all the other drivers on arrival. :cool:

It is regrettable that many people still do not understand here the WRC.
I have never read so much nonsense as now and last year.

Also regrettable Many good Threads and discussions have disappeared along with many forum friends. :(

To me, the like button helps a lot. You can watch the forum without reading the useless posts and take a while to read the ones which include information. That way I was able to follow the threads, now it's impossible.
In addition, I used to post many videos and pics, which I still search for. However, now I don't post anything because the new forum only allows to post the link, so it's difficult to follow what has been posted.
As I said before, I appreciate all the efforts you have been made, but you're spending a lot of time to fix it.

[Kielder]

If the previous post is useless for you, at least you can enjoy this video (if it hasn't already been posted :) ). Just watch it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnMSjUrsZws#t=91

[stefanvv]

VW's review:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gy5HP5VKdRU

[Juha_Koo]

What kind of tyre regulations R2 machinery had? Because I just noticed few pics, where there's a gravel-wheel type tyre (and wheel) on R2s, e.g. http://www.ewrc.cz/ewrc/image_browse.php?id=145940 and http://www.ewrc.cz/ewrc/image_browse.php?id=145930

Can they have tarmac-spec discs inside those rims or do they have to downshift to smaller ones when using what I believe is a winter tyre?

[stefanvv]

If the previous post is useless for you, at least you can enjoy this video (if it hasn't already been posted :) ). Just watch it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnMSjUrsZws#t=91
Interesting spots :)

[Timole]

photos from podium are online http://timoanis.eu/season-2014/wrc-rallye-monte-carlo/. enjoy!

[PLuto]

I must say that I am not happy that Melicharek was not "penalised" for second Turini. As far as I found, stage was cancelled because of him as he stuck on the road before top of Turini. He was happy that he was first on the road so organisers dont have proper time to make a notional one. But I still think there was a solution - all started cars finished the stage, despite in queue. I should put the best time as notional to all drivers and leave to Melicharek his one from stage.

[Bartek]

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=594091397323895

Sorry, I thought it is Monte

[EightGear]

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=594091397323895

That was at Rallye du Var last year, not MC. ;)

[stefanvv]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZMProuF3AU

[dimviii]

only for Mikko we hadn t saw a hot moment :skull:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlFWs1Rqxi0

[bluuford]

I just like to say that it was a great rally! Many leaders, many stage winners. Two new guys on the podium. Three different cars on the podium. Spectacular driving.. some nice live stages.. I am happy :-)
This year I found that finally I can understand the weather in this region a little.. it took me 4 years for this event..and this year was already pretty easy :-)

[stefanvv]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eux36wyhZjA

[AndyRAC]

What will happen next year, when RedBull want events running from Friday to Sunday lunch time? I hope the ACM will tell them were to go. I'd like to see the event run from Weds - Sat night, with an extra day in the Ardeche/ Drome. Make it even tougher.... ;)
Despite the last 2 night runnings of Turini being cancelled - it has to run in the night. Sunday morning/ afternoon is no good.

[N.O.T]

What will happen next year, when RedBull want events running from Friday to Sunday lunch time? I hope the ACM will tell them were to go. I'd like to see the event run from Weds - Sat night, with an extra day in the Ardeche/ Drome. Make it even tougher.... ;)
Despite the last 2 night runnings of Turini being cancelled - it has to run in the night. Sunday morning/ afternoon is no good.

i prefer to have more manufacturers in and more exposure than all that tough crap from the yesteryear...

[Mirek]

To be serious. Last year we discussed why not use nordic winter tyres with real studs if the teams wanted. They didn´t learn from experience, did they. (FIA, and AMC)


Agree with that, don't understand.. Fill this tarmac wheels with longer studs, more like does we uses in scandinavia....

But it most fits the tarmac wheels, otherwise they need to set-up and build the car after the studded tires...

Long studs don't last long in the tyre with asphalt under the snow. They also damage the asphalt quite a lot. Narrow tyres shall be possible though. They were commonly used in Jänner rallye till it became part of ERC. The true joke is that for 2014 FIA decreased number of studs per tyre. Also in IRC when they could cut tyres they did it very extensively - removed all rubber from central part (making huge groove) and also every second rubber block of side rows.


It's time to return long studded tyres for Monte.... And what is that joke with FWD Meganes?

Méganes have been used for several years now and always managed to get through stages. It's not the first time there was so much snow.

[Mirek]

You can call this whatever you want, but it's not rally event.

It's funny to say so when the whole sport is named after Rallye Monte Carlo...

[ik1911]

YEAAAH!!!! Protasov Win a Monte at WRC2 cat ....
YEEEAAAAH!!!
He won it, indeed. But Mateo Gamba was faster than him !! A hero for me!! Hureyyyyyyyyyyy, Italy, yes............
Best results for italian driver in WRChamp since Rally Italia 2008 ( giggi galli was 4th!)

[Mirek]

My immediate advice to anyone considering visiting next year's event - don't bother with the Saturday it's not worth the bother, expense and risk of seeing nothing (or little, unless drunken Italians are a spectator sport now! ;) )

I have been three times on Turini and saw 6 passes without any cancellation and I will not forget that till the end of my life. The atmosphere and all was absolutely fantastic. I was there only in IRC years when it was all very relaxed (spectators were allowed to stand almost directly behind the bars on Col etc.). Could have changed now but for me the "troubles" to get there definitely worthed it.

And by the way I was once stuck in deep snow on the way to stage Moutauban which was held in leg 1 this year. You can be hit by troubles anywhere in the mountains. It's just a coincidence the heaviest snowfalls came on Turini in two consecutive years.

[Mirek]

About Duez,sure is a legend and big respect for him,but really can t understand all this wow about this drive at Monte.Similar times with r2 twingos are not wow for a works porsche cup car with some hundreds hp more.

Sorry, to answer such old posts but I was gone for a while...

The car Duez drove is almost stock 996 GT3. It's not a cup car and it is actually an old car as its production ended almost ten years a go.

[Simorally86]

Here some pictures from the first wrc event of the 2014!

http://csrallyphotos.weebly.com/rallye-monte-carlo.html

or

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set ... 971&type=3 (https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.275064335980948.1073741835.253244108162971&type=3)

[stefanvv]

It's time to return long studded tyres for Monte.... And what is that joke with FWD Meganes?

Méganes have been used for several years now and always managed to get through stages. It's not the first time there was so much snow.
May be it's just my wrong impression, but these cars just look too heavy and clumsy for climbing up the hill on slush with FWD. And we saw it became a problem this year, but may be it's just the driver and I could be wrong...

[Kielder]

The "moment", so far :eek: : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHbQOn-Lc08

[KKS]

Just carrying too much speed, locked up and had a "soft" off. Pity the bridge was there (and the bank) but great performance last couple of days.

I think he got caught out underbraking because of water (maybe icy) and that put him into the corner with just a little too much speed...

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=710837678935231

onboard @02.00

Possibly, but too much speed whatever the reason.
Thanks for the onboard.
Maybe I post that someone else sound before me, but Robert off - it's a ice crew mistake. I didn't know Polish but looks like Kubica didn't know about water on that slipy breaking. Before that was dry-dry-dry-dry-dry-dry and when hard breaks come - on this part of tarmac - was water. Before - only(or 90%) dry. It was a surprise for him. And he took a breaking point if it all dry.

[Sulland]

About Duez,sure is a legend and big respect for him,but really can t understand all this wow about this drive at Monte.Similar times with r2 twingos are not wow for a works porsche cup car with some hundreds hp more.

Sorry, to answer such old posts but I was gone for a while...

The car Duez drove is almost stock 996 GT3. It's not a cup car and it is actually an old car as its production ended almost ten years a go.

And on very slippy conditions, the 'rodent's' are much more efficient than a 911, but on a dry Monte the situation would have been switched i guess.

[stefanvv]

Ingrassia almost destroyed the throphy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhnutJKP_Ks

[dimviii]

The car Duez drove is almost stock 996 GT3. It's not a cup car and it is actually an old car as its production ended almost ten years a go.

Mirek before few days i read a link in a French forum about this car,and what i said was from this link.
This car Duez drove was one of 10 cars build by Porsche motorsport.They transformed it to be right with homologation so can run at rallies.

[dimviii]

The "moment", so far :eek: : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHbQOn-Lc08

wow no barrier,if you fell bye-bye!!

[COD]

The "moment", so far :eek: : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHbQOn-Lc08

Just being smart, doing the exactly same things all Scandinavian driver do with snowbanks :p

[dimviii]

Maybe I post that someone else sound before me, but Robert off - it's a ice crew mistake. I didn't know Polish but looks like Kubica didn't know about water on that slipy breaking. Before that was dry-dry-dry-dry-dry-dry and when hard breaks come - on this part of tarmac - was water. Before - only(or 90%) dry. It was a surprise for him. And he took a breaking point if it all dry.
Kubica in an interview said that this point was spoten from their ice crew,but he didnt thought that it will be so slippery.

[bunnings]

http://i.imgur.com/An61PLL.jpg (http://youtu.be/Kd8ywUMz6HM)

Best of Rally Montecarlo 2014 by Bunnings Video.

Includes two Seb Ogier´s crashes (one of them in complicated first stage´s first corner, where many drivers were very lucky)

[dimviii]

http://www.forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_01_2014/post-26-0-16286000-1390146942.jpg
http://www.glouts-videos.com/upload/modules/galleries/img/items/13759/1.jpg
http://www.glouts-videos.com/upload/modules/galleries/img/items/13860/1.jpg
http://www.glouts-videos.com/upload/modules/galleries/img/items/13858/1.jpg
http://www.glouts-videos.com/upload/modules/galleries/img/items/13894/1.jpg
http://www.glouts-videos.com/upload/modules/galleries/img/items/13926/1.jpg
http://www.glouts-videos.com/upload/modules/galleries/img/items/13847/1.jpg

[dimviii]

i think that a mate asked for the live stages broadcast at youtube?
is so there are
stage9
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFUCiS4EQYA
stage 13
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sTWff5bMzk
stage 15
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6i1ZVvsUFs

[A FONDO]

Here some pictures from the first wrc event of the 2014!

http://csrallyphotos.weebly.com/rallye-monte-carlo.html

or

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set ... 971&type=3 (https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.275064335980948.1073741835.253244108162971&type=3)
you should not crop the cars so much. especially the width of the road

[danon]

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Still much work on the Porsche

Before the start of the Monte Carlo Rally, the Belgian veteran Mark Duez (pictured) explains how and what difficulties had to enable the launch of the first car of the category R-GT, which first appeared on the start of the World Cup. The first start of Belgian and Porsche 996 GT3 RS is not glamorous. 64 th place in the first special stage, Mark Duez barely crawls to 44 th position overall. Obviously the car is not what the Belgians, and the audience is waiting for the new class in the World Rally.

"This car already has a national passport which allows it to compete in the races in Belgium, as happens in other national leagues in Europe. - Explains Duez. - But for his part in the Monte Carlo had to be a passport to the International Automobile Federation (FIA), which was further work on the car. There were many many small changes, but they just take too long. I had to remove the roof to weld the rolcage in front, I had to pour 60 liters foam in each of the two doors, and they are smaller than those of cars from WRC, which made the job very difficult. "

Separately, explains Duez requirements for this class and change in the fuel tank.

"And when it was all over, I had to prove that it was done in the way the FIA ??required to comply with the technical regulations. Technical passport of the federation is 100 pages, a huge document to show that everything is done as are the rules. "

Duez surprised that he was the only competitor who did this, saying that the other drivers or owners of GT cars would hardly have done all this work.

"Many pilots have had success competing in their own countries with Porsche, but the rules of the FIA ??are mostly wise in terms of safety."

Belgian is adamant that in Europe there are many Porsche's, Aston Martin, Nissan and Lotus (no secret that this is the only manufacturer that he recognized in GT) and is of the opinion that these cars have a place in every race asphalt World Series will be at the top of the column.

"I think it will be a lot of fun for the fans, because these cars are old fashion, the sound they truly are quite spectacular and is not slow," concluded Mark Duez.

[dimviii]

point at Turini when cars stucked
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5fMn3RzNog

[stefanvv]

point at Turini when cars stucked
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5fMn3RzNog
Problems for Ford going, no problem at all for the Polo, interesting

[Kielder]

This is the difference between an unlucky guy, a World Champion and a yes man driver...

http://i41.tinypic.com/289j7dt.jpg

[danon]

Another funny story...

Scooby-Doo found a sponsor for Bouffier

source - http://translate.google.com/translate?s ... ml&act=url (http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fbgnrc.info%2Foshte-na-saita%2Fwrc%2Fitem%2F%25D1%2581%25D0%25BA%25D1%258 3%25D1%2583%25D0%25B1%25D0%25B8-%25D0%25B4%25D1%2583%25D1%2583-%25D0%25BD%25D0%25B0%25D0%25BC%25D0%25B5%25D1%2580 %25D0%25B8%25D0%25BB-%25D1%2581%25D0%25BF%25D0%25BE%25D0%25BD%25D1%2581 %25D0%25BE%25D1%2580%25D0%25B0-%25D0%25B7%25D0%25B0-%25D0%25B1%25D1%2583%25D1%2584%25D0%25B8%25D0%25B5 .html&act=url)


It seems almost as a movie script, but the dog of the 35 -year-old Bryan Bouffier is the reason the last two years the French pilot to find a sponsor and takes part in the Monte Carlo Rally .

"This is a very nice story. It all began in 2005 when I had a big dog . Was 80 -pound, like a Scooby - Doo. We called him Achu . Was 80 kg eating only chicken - explains the backstory Bryan Bouffier . - I got him when he was only 6 months and the only thing I wanted to do was to wean him to eat chicken. "

Achu flatly refused any other food except chicken and it turns out to be a big problem, even purely financial.

" I was shopping from the local supermarket, but the amount per month was really huge. They worked with a company specializing in the production of food of birds. It's called Royal Bernard . So first I made a call to the company asking if I could get the meat at a lower price, but initially I got a negative answer. "

Although disappointed, Bouffier goes straight to the head office to seek discounts direct from the bosses, not by the owner of the supermarket.

" We discussed the price and I got a chicken at a lower price - explains Bouffier . - Then in the last two years we met again and again getting my chicken . "

In 2012 the intention of Bouffier is to participate in Monte Carlo , but for a full budget he still needs more sponsors.

" I talked to the boss to see if the company is interested to help me. We arranged a meeting. The conversation lasted ten minutes and he became my biggest sponsor this year . The guy is not rally into motorsports, has three racing horses, but he trusted me , he said okay and realized that in 2013 I want to drive WRC, and he said he would help again. Here's how a year ago I could hire DS3 WRC, and now the Fiesta RS WRC. "

The sponsor Royal Bernard at the rear bumper.

http://bgnrc.info/cache/com_zoo/images/2014-001-MON-Bouffier-MS-00_d4e3948efe944c239bf7327dc291b47b.jpg

[dimviii]

hahaha!! i want to see a photo of this dog. :D

[Juha_Koo]

^ incredible! :) I was just few days ago wondering what Royal Bernard does!

[danon]

hahaha!! i want to see a photo of this dog. :D

the likely size of the dog... :D

http://www.obekti.bg/images/stories/articles/11484/o.JPG

http://www.obekti.bg/images/stories3/far1.jpg

http://www.obekti.bg/images/stories3/far19.jpg

[dimviii]

Ostberg onboard ss9
http://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/media/videos/ ... -80--.html (http://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/media/videos/page/112--80--.html)

[dimviii]

We had luck on this rally, we have to admit it. It could end on the first corner, we had some small slush and it was crazy. I understeered immediately and hit the wall. We improved the car in the winter: we reinforced all of the arms and maybe it was a good idea, otherwise it might have been the end of the race.

http://www.fia.com/rallye-monte-carlo-p ... nference-0 (http://www.fia.com/rallye-monte-carlo-post-event-press-conference-0)

[Mintexmemory]

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3747/12046395493_0cf9b1f6e6.jpg

Sordo at shakedown - If you want to see every competitor then shakedown is essential!! 5km into Stage 1 and we didn't see Neuville, Delecour or Maurin! Dani looked to be going very well on day 1. Presumably Nandan will have Neuville and the auto electrical tech with him for today's video conference with Korea!

[stefanvv]

We had luck on this rally, we have to admit it. It could end on the first corner, we had some small slush and it was crazy. I understeered immediately and hit the wall.
So did Bouffier and nothing happened to Fiesta. That is little exaggerated.

[dimviii]

We had luck on this rally, we have to admit it. It could end on the first corner, we had some small slush and it was crazy. I understeered immediately and hit the wall.
So did Bouffier and nothing happened to Fiesta. That is little exaggerated.

you dont want to understand,even if Ogier admits he was lucky.
Sorry cant help any more.

[stefanvv]

There is one occasion he was lucky, when he hit the barrier on left downhill. Everything else is exaggorated. You win, Ogier is lucky.

[dimviii]

There is one occasion he was lucky, when he hit the barrier on left downhill. Everything else is exaggorated. You win, Ogier is lucky.

stefanvv its not about who won,but to see some facts.There were more times that Ogier was lucky.At first stage hit the wall,at another stage was in the ditch with enough km/h for damage.I am not counting other moments like the one sliding without ability to do something to the edge of road without barrier,and the car stopped 1 cm from chaos.

[dimviii]

This is the difference between an unlucky guy, a World Champion and a yes man driver...

http://i41.tinypic.com/289j7dt.jpg

:D
https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/q71/s720x720/1238102_647006308692367_153658592_n.jpg

[Mirek]

stefanvv its not about who won,but to see some facts.There were more times that Ogier was lucky.At first stage hit the wall,at another stage was in the ditch with enough km/h for damage.I am not counting other moments like the one sliding without ability to do something to the edge of road without barrier,and the car stopped 1 cm from chaos.

Bunnings video alone shows two hits of barriers by Ogier. Both big enough for some damage. He was indeed very lucky this time but it's true Bouffier had quite many moments too. Surprisingly it's Meeke who had the cleanest run. At least I don't know about any major moment of him and his onboard from Moutauban was very clean and accurate.

[stefanvv]

There is one occasion he was lucky, when he hit the barrier on left downhill. Everything else is exaggorated. You win, Ogier is lucky.

stefanvv its not about who won,but to see some facts.There were more times that Ogier was lucky.At first stage hit the wall,at another stage was in the ditch with enough km/h for damage.I am not counting other moments like the one sliding without ability to do something to the edge of road without barrier,and the car stopped 1 cm from chaos.
Frankly I would be surprised at this speed for the whole Rally and slicks on snow 1st loop to get away without something. Luckily he got away, probably because took some measured risks, probably some wreckless like hitting the barrier. His problem is he wants to win everything even when is heavily handicapped. Like Mirek said, Bouffier also had some moments, and one of them looked quite dangerous to me, Meeke was the only one probably without any mistake, I also don't remember anything wrong, but lets not forget he had proper tyres (or at least almost) all over the event, and only possible way to win it was if both French crashed out.

[Mirek]

Also in IRC when they could cut tyres they did it very extensively - removed all rubber from central part (making huge groove) and also every second rubber block of side rows.

I found a picture of such tyre from 2009 after Hänninen's crash. You can see every second side block and all middle blocks removed from the tyre.
http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2009/irc/mont ... inen_5.jpg (http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2009/irc/monte-carlo/sa_a_271_hanninen_5.jpg)

[dimviii]

Frankly I would be surprised at this speed for the whole Rally and slicks on snow 1st loop to get away without something. Luckily he got away, probably because took some measured risks, probably some wreckless like hitting the barrier. His problem is he wants to win everything even when is heavily handicapped.
there is a driver who won Monte,without crashing the barriers,through the car into ditches, hitting walls,and sliding to the edge without control waiting for luck.
This driver had Ogier as a competitor.Not Bouffier,and Kubica.



Like Mirek said, Bouffier also had some moments, and one of them looked quite dangerous to me, Meeke was the only one probably without any mistake, I also don't remember anything wrong, but lets not forget he had proper tyres (or at least almost) all over the event, and only possible way to win it was if both French crashed out.

what do you mean about proper tyres for Meeke? Ogier had inproper tyres at all the moments we saw at ditches,barriers,walls?
why so many excuses? Believe me Ogier doesn t need them.

[Karukera]

It's been a great Monte Carlo for us, everything went well again.

Accessing Turini turned out to a complete havoc for the late spectators, cars reported to be all over the roads without snow equipment. We helped a poor Estonian couple on our way back : rental car in a ditch, bag fell down and hanging on a tree near a furious river 50m below, girl frozen and crying. We drove them back down to Nice later on.

So much snow, flashes, supporters, rally cars noises, hectic night ambience. We guessed second pass would probably be cancelled due to snow, didn't expect Melicharek to interfere but it worthed every effort and careful plannning. A must see live.

[RS]

I don't know if the counters are not working, but apparently vastly less interest in Monte this year on this forum;

last year: 2813 posts, 281298 views
this year: 1831 posts, 54292 views

Because Loeb has gone? But I would have thought Kubica and Hyundai would have added some interest this year.

[bluuford]

I remember that big part of last year Monte thread was occupied by season 2013 news.. this year it is betterly organized. las year there was this "like" button as well. Maybe it counted each click as a view? And If I remember correctly.. last years edition lasted for more days (competitive).

[noel157]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/q71/s720x720/1238102_647006308692367_153658592_n.jpg[/img]

As Stafanvv said to me when I foolishly mentioned Ogier going wide at that hairpin -


What do you expect with slicks on slush?

Stefan, you defend Ogier too much with silly excuses and as Dimviii mentioned, look at the facts.

Meeke did not have proper tyres all the time and he did make some mistakes, luckily none that influenced his result.

[stefanvv]

Nah, Ogier doesn't need my support, I just responded for some exaggorated mistakes he has done, like we saw everyone can make mistakes, I have no idea why only Ogier was so severely blamed for them. Because he won again?

[Allyc85]

My video from one hell of a Monte Carlo!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pPCu2el_YI

Thoughts and pictures to follow!

[Karukera]

Nothing is exaggerated. Ogier said himself he was lucky, period.

Being in the crowd and watching the cars wouldn't tell much about current classification : Ogier drove in front of us like a badly skilled butcher, yeah, call that 'raw' speed. Bouffier was everywhere and Hirvonen looked quick (sic).

[dimviii]

My video from one hell of a Monte Carlo!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pPCu2el_YI

Thoughts and pictures to follow!
Bouffier at 4,32 :skull:

[Allyc85]

My video from one hell of a Monte Carlo!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pPCu2el_YI

Thoughts and pictures to follow!
Bouffier at 4,32 :skull:

He was on it everywhere we saw him! Bloody superb to watch! :bounce:

[noel157]

My video from one hell of a Monte Carlo!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pPCu2el_YI

Thoughts and pictures to follow!

Great footage, thanks.

[jparker]

This is the difference between an unlucky guy, a World Champion and a yes man driver...

https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/q71/s720x720/1238102_647006308692367_153658592_n.jpg

I don't know about this particular turn, but Kubica is doing this all the time, and I suspect that's with purpose.
I actually timed few of his turns (enter/exit) with stopwatch, and yes he's slower by almost half second by going wide.
So, is it possible that he is exiting the turn faster, and gaining advantage after the turn, accelerating quicker?

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/cbgxwq6j7akggs7/Image%2013.jpg?dl=1&token_hash=AAGkGDkI3iWgx9mkh14ucsxaLZPlDHgwZozCJU3 JDWa8Mw
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[noel157]

Is there any video of the press conference on Sunday morning?

[tommeke_B]

Some small review

Had a great Rallye Monte-Carlo. Especially on tarmac it was very spectacular. Seen 9 stages (4 on thursday, 4 on Friday, 1 on saturday, we left after Turini 1 to avoid too much trouble with the snow). Pitty both Hyundai's were out so fast. After we've seen Neuville on SS1, we thought he had to crash, he was so fast, too fast...

These are the "splits" recovered from data in my photos, all in the apex of a corner 6kms into the stage (minutes/seconds), so regarding they start every 2mins you can calculate the differences:
25:15 - Ogier
26:54 - Neuville
29:12 - Latvala
31:12 - Hirvonen
33:20 - Sordo
35:06 - Ostberg
37:13 - Prokop
39:06 - Mikkelsen
41:17 - Evans
42:58 - Kubica
45:00 - Bouffier
47:02 - Meeke

I've seen a Hyundai go by only 4 times, but on one place (SS4) we were on a fast section, 2 fast corners following each other, and the chassis looked really good and stable. On the looks the car wasn't slower than the others, for sure not. I think (and hope) they can do something with this car this year... :)

First loop (SS1 and 3) was quite disappointing in fact, all drivers were on wrong tires and took it easy (except for Neuville and we know the consequences). On SS3 we've seen a huge crash of Augoyard (DS3 R3T), arrived too fast in a fast left corner, got out of the clean line on the ice and slid off, went off and the car ended up way below the road, when you were on the road you couldn't see the car anymore. Anyone has a video of this crash? There were at least 100 people who have seen it.

2nd loop was better. It was wet tarmac, but the drivers had the right tyres and looked much more confident. We were on 2 fast sections on both SS4 and SS6, very spectacular to see the drivers go sideways on tarmac at 130+kph. Pitty the spectators were incredibly dangerous, standing after the exit of these fast corners, just rows of people next to the road. When you arrive at a stage you have 5 Marshalls and 10 policemen, when you move on for 500m you don't see anyone...

On Friday we started off with the long Vitrolles stage, quite close after the start. We had a nice overview, could see the start and follow them for something like 2kms. We were closest to a very fast left corner with a little bump. It was interesting to see that the DS3's didn't cope as well with the bump, both Fiesta and VW very stable. Also the R5 (Protasov) was clearly less stable as well. After that we went to Selonnet, Some 5kms after the start. Nice overview, incredible landscapes. Same counts for SS Sisteron we did later. We were in a downhill section a few kms before the finish, JML was attacking like a mad man there, throwing the car sideways from one corner into the other, with Andreas Mikkelsen following 100m behind him with a much cleaner line... :D

On Saturday followed the big finale of course, the Col de Turini. Plenty of snow, we were in the downhill section, you could see 5 corners. A pleasant surprise was Jean Ragnotti driving some stock Clio as VIP car, throwing the car sideways from one corner into the other :D The WRC drivers themselves looked quite calm, they were clearly driving to survive those 6 kms of snow. Gilbert was very spectacular there, but the time didn't follow. After the first loop it never stopped snowing, at least half of the spectators left the stage, and we decided to do the same, so we wouldn't get stuck in the snow. Anyway it took us 40 minutes to get the car on the road and ready to go...

All in all a great event, my 7th different WRC rally so far, and I'm looking forward to return some day... :)

My photos are online on http://www.rally-image.be

[denkimi]

I don't know about this particular turn, but Kubica is doing this all the time, and I suspect that's with purpose.
I actually timed few of his turns (enter/exit) with stopwatch, and yes he's slower by almost half second by going wide.
So, is it possible that he is exiting the turn faster, and gaining advantage after the turn, accelerating quicker?

i think he just often brakes too late. if it would be the faster way, all drivers would do it.

[stefanvv]

I don't know about this particular turn, but Kubica is doing this all the time, and I suspect that's with purpose.
I actually timed few of his turns (enter/exit) with stopwatch, and yes he's slower by almost half second by going wide.
So, is it possible that he is exiting the turn faster, and gaining advantage after the turn, accelerating quicker?
It's a matter of driving style + road conditions. It's not an easy answer I guess who gains/looses where, but accelerating on straight line should be quicker on theory, and depending on how slippery the road is, the gain should be there.

[Mirek]

I don't know about this particular turn, but Kubica is doing this all the time, and I suspect that's with purpose.
I actually timed few of his turns (enter/exit) with stopwatch, and yes he's slower by almost half second by going wide.
So, is it possible that he is exiting the turn faster, and gaining advantage after the turn, accelerating quicker?

i think he just often brakes too late. if it would be the faster way, all drivers would do it.

Kubica drives only by his left hand and he is pushing the handbrake lever, not pulling like others. It might be quite difficult to make it all right every time...

[jparker]

I don't know about this particular turn, but Kubica is doing this all the time, and I suspect that's with purpose.
I actually timed few of his turns (enter/exit) with stopwatch, and yes he's slower by almost half second by going wide.
So, is it possible that he is exiting the turn faster, and gaining advantage after the turn, accelerating quicker?
It's a matter of driving style + road conditions. It's not an easy answer I guess who gains/looses where, but accelerating on straight line should be quicker on theory, and depending on how slippery the road is, the gain should be there.

Yes, there should be a gain. Like in speedway, the outer line is longer, but quicker.
But who knows, Mirek's suggestion sounds possible too.

[pettersolberg29]

Some of my photos from my trip to Monte Carlo - most taken with an iPhone but the quality was a peasant surprise! https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set ... 4745801a64 (https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10202327017953507.1073741828.1133591109&type=1&l=4745801a64)

Video coming soon too.

[dimviii]

Is there any video of the press conference on Sunday morning?

no video,but i had posted this yesterday
http://www.fia.com/rallye-monte-carlo-p ... nference-0 (http://www.fia.com/rallye-monte-carlo-post-event-press-conference-0)

[dimviii]

Tom thanks for the review.More comments please.What about Kubica? 2 beers from me.
These photos are the best imho.

http://www.rally-image.be/foto/0397/images/036.jpg
http://www.rally-image.be/foto/0397/images/066.jpg
http://www.rally-image.be/foto/0397/images/070.jpg
http://www.rally-image.be/foto/0397/images/008.jpg
http://www.rally-image.be/foto/0397/images/017.jpg
http://www.rally-image.be/foto/0397/images/031.jpg

[dimviii]

i think he just often brakes too late. if it would be the faster way, all drivers would do it.

finally somebody mention it.Kubica from all the videos i ve seen,seems to brake later than other drivers.Its more easy to watch it at his tests pre Monte at dry asphalt.Maybe is the reason that we see him sometimes to loose a U turn,going wide.
Of course the wide line is slower.

[marcosg]

i think he just often brakes too late. if it would be the faster way, all drivers would do it.

finally somebody mention it.Kubica from all the videos i ve seen,seems to brake later than other drivers.Its more easy to watch it at his tests pre Monte at dry asphalt.Maybe is the reason that we see him sometimes to loose a U turn,going wide.
Of course the wide line is slower.

or maybe he is braking at the optimum point but lacks the ability to quickly perform handbrake turns...

[pettersolberg29]

Here's my video from the rally - including some overtaking and Bouffier right on the limit! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36wPhbL9 ... e=youtu.be (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36wPhbL9KmY&feature=youtu.be)

[dimviii]

https://scontent-b-cdg.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/t31/p180x540/1602107_562110407205993_423522194_o.jpg

[janvanvurpa]

Also in IRC when they could cut tyres they did it very extensively - removed all rubber from central part (making huge groove) and also every second rubber block of side rows.

I found a picture of such tyre from 2009 after Hänninen's crash. You can see every second side block and all middle blocks removed from the tyre.
http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2009/irc/mont ... inen_5.jpg (http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2009/irc/monte-carlo/sa_a_271_hanninen_5.jpg)
Good god! The poor bastids have to try and drive fast with those tires? :erm:
Pooor bastids.... :(

What has come over the rulers of the sport that they send men out with such tires? :eek:

[sollitt]

Certainly an interesting event and, despite some extraordinary conditions, it has confirmed what some have been saying for years. There is new talent out there capable of challenging and bettering the old firm of under performing factory backed drivers.
And I'm sure there's more to come.

[PLuto]

We will see on other events. Rallye Monte Carlo is really very specific event...

[jparker]

i think he just often brakes too late. if it would be the faster way, all drivers would do it.

finally somebody mention it.Kubica from all the videos i ve seen,seems to brake later than other drivers.Its more easy to watch it at his tests pre Monte at dry asphalt.Maybe is the reason that we see him sometimes to loose a U turn,going wide.
Of course the wide line is slower.

or maybe he is braking at the optimum point but lacks the ability to quickly perform handbrake turns...

Well, no matter what the issue is, his stage times are competitive.
If we agree that going wide is slower, then the only logical conclusion is that Kubica will get even quicker once he overcomes those mistakes. We'll see .............

[litifeta]

divmii. what an awesome pic. Love the hot brakes. Is that yours?

[Rally Hokkaido]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AeCphSP ... e=youtu.be (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AeCphSP9zI&feature=youtu.be)

Hyundai's Monte review. I like the team's performance and professional attitude, so far. It's not easy to show footage of both your broken cars on their debut event! No-one is expecting them to have a debut year like VW did, but I fully expect to see them on the podium, say, twice in 2014.

[stefanvv]

Who will drive 2nd car in Sweden? Hanninen I guess?

[tolis]

Who will drive 2nd car in Sweden? Hanninen I guess?
Yes, entry list is already out.

[dimviii]

divmii. what an awesome pic. Love the hot brakes. Is that yours?
no is not mine.Really awesome photo!

[dimviii]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLJd42SDjTQ

[RJM]

finally somebody mention it.Kubica from all the videos i ve seen,seems to brake later than other drivers.Its more easy to watch it at his tests pre Monte at dry asphalt.Maybe is the reason that we see him sometimes to loose a U turn,going wide.
Of course the wide line is slower.[/quote]

Well, no matter what the issue is, his stage times are competitive.
If we agree that going wide is slower, then the only logical conclusion is that Kubica will get even quicker once he overcomes those mistakes. We'll see .............[/quote]

To me it looks like hes using the wet karting line, which makes sense on wet or greasy asphalt, you try to keep off the rubber thats been put down.

[Mirek]

To me it looks like hes using the wet karting line, which makes sense on wet or greasy asphalt, you try to keep off the rubber thats been put down.

That indeed make sense but in my opinion only on circuits. Rally tyres are much harder than circuit ones, there is much less passes and they are spread over all road unlike on circuits where they all take same lines.

[mm1]

I think that Kubicas aproach could be faster, if we consider that he must brake less, has higher corner speed and accelerates from higher corner speed. To compare usual aproach with handbrake and Kubicas, you have to measure the time not directly from corner entrance to exit but say some 50m before and 50m after, there should be a noticable difference.
I usually agree with Mirek, but in this case, it has no correlation with his hand, his hand is quick enough, you can't drive in rally, let alone win them, if you're behind with your reactions/executions in extreme situations.

[RJM]

To me it looks like hes using the wet karting line, which makes sense on wet or greasy asphalt, you try to keep off the rubber thats been put down.

That indeed make sense but in my opinion only on circuits. Rally tyres are much harder than circuit ones, there is much less passes and they are spread over all road unlike on circuits where they all take same lines.

Rally tyres are harder of course, but are scrubbing more into corners depending on drivers, your probably right though.

[Mirek]

I think that Kubicas aproach could be faster, if we consider that he must brake less, has higher corner speed and accelerates from higher corner speed. To compare usual aproach with handbrake and Kubicas, you have to measure the time not directly from corner entrance to exit but say some 50m before and 50m after, there should be a noticable difference.
I usually agree with Mirek, but in this case, it has no correlation with his hand, his hand is quick enough, you can't drive in rally, let alone win them, if you're behind with your reactions/executions in extreme situations.

His right hand is almost useless for driving. Sadly it's fact. He can use it to hold a cup of coffee but not for much more. I didn't want to argue about his driving and if his wide lines are better or not. I just wanted to add a possible reason for his wild style. I agree that he is braking very late as somebody pointed out. That is definitely true.

[dimviii]

wide lines are not faster.Kubica drove some U turns with wide lines by accident.Plenty of other U turns without wide lines from him at Monte at videos we ve seen.

[stefanvv]

I think Kubica is more than enough fast for the moment. He need to build consistency from now on.

[adr17]

If your saying he braking later than others , then it is the others that should work on there braking and despite people saying his lines look bad , but it's the times that count not the lines and for first wrc rally in fiesta and first monte very well done . And he was first to say sorry and that he made a mistake judging the grip level to the m-sport guys so fair play !

[noel157]

Full rally review on UK channel ITV 4 on now (starts/ed 8pm UK time):

http://www.itv.com/itv4/

[RJM]

If your saying he braking later than others , then it is the others that should work on there braking and despite people saying his lines look bad , but it's the times that count not the lines and for first wrc rally in fiesta and first monte very well done . And he was first to say sorry and that he made a mistake judging the grip level to the m-sport guys so fair play !

Your right that its only the times that count, and hes properly fast for his experience, but usually theres not much point in braking later if your missing the apex's, but he does seem to be doing it on purpose.

[stefanvv]

Interesting observation from this video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvRS9-85XJs
Ogier brakes too late, goes wide, very wide and accelerates carefully. Hirvonen brakes early, perfect line of the corner and accelerates hard sideways. From the time of appearance of the car to the time it dissapears, it is the same time for both of them.

[jparker]

wide lines are not faster.Kubica drove some U turns with wide lines by accident.Plenty of other U turns without wide lines from him at Monte at videos we ve seen.

I'm not saying you are wrong, but not all U turns are wide enough to allow different lines. In fact most of the U turns in Monte have only one possible line. But then again, the wide U turns are inviting for late braking, and prone to mistakes.

[rallyfun]

His right hand is almost useless for driving. Sadly it's fact. He can use it to hold a cup of coffee but not for much more.
What a rubbish. You have no idea what you are talking about, just go to watch any WRC rally and see what he can do with his right hand. If you suggested he drives with one hand then you have no clue about rally driving. It's not rocket science to search you tube to see how he cope and just follow his carrier, interviews, comments if you can watch rally live.

[RICARDO75]

His right hand is almost useless for driving. Sadly it's fact. He can use it to hold a cup of coffee but not for much more.
What a rubbish. You have no idea what you are talking about, just go to watch any WRC rally and see what he can do with his right hand. If you suggested he drives with one hand then you have no clue about rally driving. It's not rocket science to search you tube to see how he cope and just follow his carrier, interviews, comments if you can watch rally live.

I don't think it's rubbish. When Mirek says he can hold a cup of coffee, it's the same to grab a wheel and other things. The movement of his tendons must be very limited, or else there was no need to put the paddle shift on the left side like the Ford has.

[Atob WRC]

Here I attach the video of our rally.

Best regards!

http://youtu.be/lIE0XgFFw_E

[306 Cosworth]

Here's my video from my first trip to Rallye Monte Carlo, including Seb Ogier having a moment through SS9 involving a ditch.

http://youtu.be/Z9s0fWfqusg

[COD]

Grönholm commenting in Kubica driving in Jänner. From 9:20 onwards

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCqRJAXVlyE

[RJM]

[quote="Atob WRC"]Here I attach the video of our rally.

Best regards!

http://youtu.be/lIE0XgFFw_E[/quo

awesome!

[RICARDO75]

If there was an Ice Master/ Graavel/ Asphalt Championship in the WRC, as it has in the ERC, the classification of Rallye Monte Carlo would have been as follows:

ICE MASTERS
1. Ogier (93);
2. Latvala (60);
3. Bouffier (51)
4. Kubica and Meeke (32)
6. Ostberg (17)
7. Sordo (9);
8. Evans and Mikkelsen (8);
10. Chardonnet, Burri and Hirvonen (4)

[Langdale Forest]

Would this be the first time a Ukrainian and Slovakian have scored WRC points?

[denkimi]

it is noticeable that there are no onboard video's of kubica in witch his hands can be seen.
although, there is some footage of him karting on ice.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpkaGcF761Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TeANbZsTrr4

[tolis]

Would this be the first time a Ukrainian and Slovakian have scored WRC points?
Ukrainian no. Saliuk in Australia 2011 I think!

[N.O.T]

Would this be the first time a Ukrainian and Slovakian have scored WRC points?

who do you mean by slovakian/ukranian ???

[Motorsportfun]

[quote="Langdale Forest":1z9z98ik]Would this be the first time a Ukrainian and Slovakian have scored WRC points?

who do you mean by slovakian/ukranian ???[/quote:1z9z98ik]

I think he means if Melicharek's points-finish in MON was first time for an Ukrainian/Slovakian driver in a WRC event. ;)

[stefanvv]

Melicharek (Slovakia) - 8th place, 4 points,
Protasov (Ukraine) - 10th place, 1 point

[vseo]

it is noticeable that there are no onboard video's of kubica in witch his hands can be seen.
although, there is some footage of him karting on ice.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpkaGcF761Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TeANbZsTrr4

After such an injury hand, reconstruction was so difficult. But Robert rides perfectly!
Now we are waiting for Rally d Italia Sardegna and Rallye Deutschland :D

[Mirek]

I watched now also the onboard of Mads from SS9. I have to say that those stages in Gap area are way more difficult than Valence ones. The more respect to everyone who finished this edition!

[WRC1]

http://www.rallyepics.at/wp/index.php/w ... ge_id=558/ (http://www.rallyepics.at/wp/index.php/wp/nggallery/2014/rally-monte-carlo-2014?page_id=558/)

my pictures from this years Monte!

From the weather conditions it was one of the toughest i´ve ever seen, a real typical MONTE!

but organisation gets worse and worse every year....a few examples:

on stage 2/5 we found a parking possibility near col de pommerol, we arrived there on wednsday evening took our place and slept in the car...at 6:00 in the morning some marshalls knocked on our window, we should remove our car, because it is in a dangerous place...(we where on a gravel road 100m away from the stage, the stage was a long lefthander and the gravel road where we parked was right uphill....so it was simply impossible for a racecar to leave the track to the right drive 100m on gravel uphill and finally hit our car :) there where a lot of cars parked this way (save) but there where als a few cars parked in really dangerous places...after 1 hour discussion a few "gendamarie" cars came and told the marshalls they should concentrate on the really dangerous parked cars and should leave us where we are...

after stage 5 we want to leave the place, we asked police AFTER last racecar, policeman said after first car from organiser we can go...we waited some 5 minutes than orga car arrived, we followed him, we passed 3 junctions (spectator points), everywhere police and marshalls, all was ok....till we arrive on the penultimate spectator point of this stage...a young police man stopped us and told us that we have to wait till 17:00 to drive out of the stage (we drove already 5km on the stage!! and we had only 3km left until our access road...so we waited without any reason 45minutes and nobody could tell us why...

and than finally on turini, i was about 500m before the col to watch first pass...after all cars i went up to the col, we walked on the road because the last racecar has already passed and it was a 4 (!!!) hours break till next stage....up on the col there where at least 30 marshalls and policeman and the only job for them was to prefent people to cross the place on the col (without any reason...) if they send this 30 people down the col with snow shovels there would have been no problem for second run...when we see the heavy snowfall and that there was no intention to clean the road we decided to leave, because we where 100% sure that there will be no race over the col if snowfall continues..and we where right :)

but overall as said in the beginning it was a nice Rally Monte Carlo, we found nice spots and the performance of many drivers was really heartworming my +/- list:

+ ogier ...no more words needed, he is the man to beat
+ bouffier, a master of Monte
+ kubica, i like him, and think he can be one of the main rivals for ogier this year!
+ meeke, very surprising, he deserves this chance
+ östberg, he is better than he showed last year! much more to come from mads on gravel
+ latvala, he does not like the Monte, but for sure a better start into the season than last year, the win on power stage showed he will fight!
+ hyundai, the huuuuuge service house!! the cars looks so nice, i was very sad when both where out, but i am sure the car has potential, we will see them on podium this year!
+ chardonnet, wow, very impressive with 2wd car - malcolm wilson: this is the guy you are searching for!!!

- mikkelsen, no improvements...i dont know why...he was almost on par with ogier in fabia...but now he is nowhere :(
---- hirvonen....useless beaten by evans...please do something different mikko
- wrc2, no competition, no coverage,
- serideris, wow...i havent seen so many driving errors from one guy!! in every corner he was fighting...and i have seen a few videos...please think about your hobby, rallying is nothing for you ;)

[Mirek]

Thanks for a nice summary Daniel. Do You remember the "football match" of Czech and Italian fans directly on Col de Turini between first and second pass in 2011? I think You were there too (or maybe I spoke with You there another year?). It was so relaxed back in those times - the battles with snow balls over the Col etc. :)

[dimviii]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1ofZRWMDNo

[WRC1]

Thanks for a nice summary Daniel. Do You remember the "football match" of Czech and Italian fans directly on Col de Turini between first and second pass in 2011? I think You were there too (or maybe I spoke with You there another year?). It was so relaxed back in those times - the battles with snow balls over the Col etc. :)

exactly those where the pictures i had in my mind, it was a great party, everybody was happy and relaxed and right in time before the second pass all of them where behind the tapes on theire places! this was the TURINI as it should be!

...and yes Mirek, i was there speaking with you ;)


http://www.rallyepics.at/wp/wp-content/gallery/best-of-2011/2011-monte-peugeot-bouffier-03.jpg

[chosse_1]

Here is my best of the rally, with crash of Mads Ostberg and mistakes with snow for J.M Latvala.

http://youtu.be/ltowzL3kkNU

I hope that you like it and share!

[stefanvv]

Here is my best of the rally, with crash of Mads Ostberg and mistakes with snow for J.M Latvala.

http://youtu.be/ltowzL3kkNU

I hope that you like it and share!
Great video!

[Allyc85]

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7318/12089542976_ec3be1a015_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/allyc85/12089542976/)
WRC Monte Carlo - SS7 Vitrolles - Faye 1 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/allyc85/12089542976/) by Alastair Cummins (http://www.flickr.com/people/allyc85/), on Flickr

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5526/12090695335_4b12b64201_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/allyc85/12090695335/)
WRC Monte Carlo - SS3 Montauban Sur L'Ouveze - Laborel (http://www.flickr.com/photos/allyc85/12090695335/) by Alastair Cummins (http://www.flickr.com/people/allyc85/), on Flickr

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7444/12088678435_60dd09f904_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/allyc85/12088678435/)
WRC Monte Carlo - SS7 Vitrolles - Faye 1 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/allyc85/12088678435/) by Alastair Cummins (http://www.flickr.com/people/allyc85/), on Flickr

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5518/12091306334_186df3d17a_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/allyc85/12091306334/)
WRC Monte Carlo - SS4 Orpierre - St Andre De Rosans (http://www.flickr.com/photos/allyc85/12091306334/) by Alastair Cummins (http://www.flickr.com/people/allyc85/), on Flickr

[stefanvv]

WRC Monte Carlo - SS7 Vitrolles - Faye 1 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/allyc85/12089542976/)
Interesting pictures on Hyunday's "hardware"

[dimviii]

Mikkelsens off
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vX7BKNVcMoU

[Nornbugger]

If your saying he braking later than others , then it is the others that should work on there braking and despite people saying his lines look bad , but it's the times that count not the lines and for first wrc rally in fiesta and first monte very well done . And he was first to say sorry and that he made a mistake judging the grip level to the m-sport guys so fair play !


Kubica appears to try to brake as late as possible every time, most corners he gets it right and gains a few hundredths, then he gets it a little wrong and he loses a tenth or two, over a stage he can be competitive but this way is more risky which is why he will need to eventually become a little more conservative with braking on events like monte where grip is so variable to get finishes.

[dimviii]

If your saying he braking later than others , then it is the others that should work on there braking and despite people saying his lines look bad , but it's the times that count not the lines and for first wrc rally in fiesta and first monte very well done . And he was first to say sorry and that he made a mistake judging the grip level to the m-sport guys so fair play !


Kubica appears to try to brake as late as possible every time, most corners he gets it right and gains a few hundredths, then he gets it a little wrong and he loses a tenth or two, over a stage he can be competitive but this way is more risky which is why he will need to eventually become a little more conservative with braking on events like monte where grip is so variable to get finishes.

well said!

[Mirek]

Awesome gallery

http://www.ewrc.cz/ewrc/fotogalery.php? ... tograf=284 (http://www.ewrc.cz/ewrc/fotogalery.php?events=13442&fotograf=284)

[Bartek]

Mirek was faster ;)

Amazing photos by Tomas Racek, piece of arts

[MartijnS]

Yes, so good. Best gallery of the rally.

[giangino]

Photos Rallye Montecarlo online... http://www.avetowrc.com/

http://www.avetowrc.com/Foto/Wrc/Montecarlo2014/slides/01.jpg

http://www.avetowrc.com/Foto/Wrc/Montecarlo2014/slides/2.jpg

http://www.avetowrc.com/Foto/Wrc/Montecarlo2014/slides/3.jpg

http://www.avetowrc.com/Foto/Wrc/Montecarlo2014/slides/10b.jpg

[makinen_fan]

New onboard, SS5 with Evans (another random choice of on-board...)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkyW_7Erqkc

[stefanvv]

New onboard, SS5 with Evans (another random choice of on-board...)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkyW_7Erqkc
Yeah, if it should be Evans, why not SS3? Let me guess - it doesn't matter

[Simmi]

How difficult would it be to just listen to the fans and give the fans Turini.

[N.O.T]

there are many of turini onboards from previous years... the main problem is the stupid onboard camera position. You have to be incompetent at least to choose that position for an onboard camera... are these guys stupid ? have no idea about rallying ? both ? or they just do not care ?

[Andre Oliveira]

Kubica used chassis 30 or 32?

[amilk]

A bit late but here what I saw. (on stage 1 and 3 the camera was out of function so no footage)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5IKgKgoXPM

Some impressions: Ogier's car handling above the others, high selfconfidence. Also like Evans who was more more impressive than Mikko. Buffier was quick but not spectacular where I saw. (out of one spin).
The stages are better aroung Gap than around Valence - hope the rally remains there.
The Turini was great feeling but due to heavy snow the cars were quite slow.

[Mintexmemory]

My RMC reflections

• The Hautes Alpes region around Gap has some breathtaking scenery and if there hadn’t been stupid rally cars to watch the walking itineraries would have been irresistible.

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3759/12039461163_4a9589237c_z.jpg

• The service park layout was haphazard and a bit cramped (maybe because one team has decided to recreate the premises of a major concessionaire wherever they go). Can’t help thinking the original plan of using Tallard airfield would have been better, but there was certainly a lot of local interest, including many banners cheering ‘their boy’ on.
• Actually the Hyundai arrangement where fans can now get closer to the service area without an intervening VIP / security corridor in the way is a brilliant idea.
http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3717/12234406116_6184164057_z.jpg

• Road manners for competitors appear to be discretionary! Between Barreme and St Andre-les-Alpes we were passed by Meeke travelling at scalded cat pace and witnessed him take 10 years off the life of an oncoming French driver with a last-ditch return to the correct side of the road. Further on at Puget-Therniers we saw Melicharek being given a dressing-down by les flics. Given the events of Saturday evening it’s a shame they didn’t throw him in the slammer.
No complaints about Protosov’s road manners – as we left Moulinet, heading to Sospel (soaked to the skin and very disgruntled) we could see his lights catching us rapidly. I gave him loads of room and indicated for him to pass, which he did just as we approached a tight epingle. He handbraked it round at competition pace and floored it. A spontaneous cheer was let out by the four of us – a treat to have a grandstand view! Can’t help thinking liaison time allowances are too tight for safety or legality and make for bad PR

• Savournon heights on the Vitrolles-Faye stage is a superb location to watch WRC. If you ever get the chance go, take it. Those who are interested will already have seen Luke’s video on the ‘tube (Rally Cameraman / 306 Cosworth). The atmosphere was special and wherever you stood from the summit to the base there was interest. I got chatting to several Gapencais in my poor French who seemed amazed les Anglais would come so far to see ‘MonteCarl’ Allyc85 on Flickr has a great shot of Bouffier from the inside of one bend - my 35mm shot taken simultaneously is due back from the lab this week.

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2826/12289835835_c149c3cbdd_z.jpg

• Actually the French came in handy to thank the farmer at Laborel on Day 1 after he gave me a slug of his aqua vie (for medicinal purposes he explained!)

• Bouffier was impressive from s/d to the end, as was Meeke. However there was an awesome inevitability that Day 2 would see Seb O take control, he doesn’t appear to be trying sometimes, then you see his stage time

• Gamba in his S2000 Peugeot was spectacular right from ES1 and well-deserved to beat all the WRC-2 drivers. Unfortunately, Duez in the Porsche was less than spectacular whenever we saw him, disappointing after the pre-event hype.

• The guys in the Clios, Twingos and C2s put on a great show down the field – My favourite was the Abarth 500

• If I go again I will

o Get the necessary materials for a camp fire – it appears compulsory. There were so many at shakedown it looked like fog after a while
http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2860/12070416993_c87f4e8fa5_z.jpg

o Practice snow chain attachment – we didn’t get to the Turini owing to les Gendarmes directing us to Moulinet but if we had we might have been a comedy show for everyone else

o Be equally prepared for rain as I was for snow – Every garment was saturated after standing in the rain for 8 hours at Moulinet on the Saturday. Still we provided entertainment for the customers in McDonalds in Menton as we changed and towelled off while consuming our ‘Royales’ (something to do with the metric system?)
Rain at Moulinet
http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3822/12311271973_999080080f_z.jpg

• After 5 perfect days it was a shame that a) we didn’t make it to Turini and b) the anticipated show of the night stage at Moulinet was sabotaged by the Melicharek incident. I suppose I’ll have to go back sometime to experience the Turini vibe at least once but the extra day expenditure for hotel, car hire and food wasn’t justified for this edition. Regarding the AC de Monaco management of the last day Turini runs, the extension of Oscar Wilde’s maxim applies – Once is unfortunate, twice is careless, three times is stupidity. I await next year’s edition with interest. I won’t be there as I think the 2015 budget will be for Portugal and Finland but every fan of rallying should go at least once – it really is our equivalent of the Haj (now where did I put that beard dye)

[Mirek]

Thank You for nice reading!

[makinen_fan]

Thanks Mintex. You timed this perfectly with the 30min break between SS2 and 3 :)

[dimviii]

thanks Mintex

[Franky]

On how sensitive film are you shooting on?

[Mintexmemory]

On how sensitive film are you shooting on?

All the pics in my post are from my crossover digital camera (Fuji S5700) which was shooting at iso 1600 equiv.

Coincidentally I had an iso 1600 film in the camera I used for my 'art' attempts. I hope to get the results back on fri/sat and will post anything worthwhile here

[Allyc85]

Brilliant write up mate, sums it up perfectly :cool: :D It was a brilliant event that I would do again in an instant if possible! The folllowing days at work were hell though. Zero energy and even less motivation!

[Mintexmemory]

Finally got my 35mm films back
Will post a link when all uploaded but as an interesting take on rally photography below is my shot of Bouffier on ES7 taken next to Allyc85 - He's got a Nikon D90,I was using a Pentax ME Super with iso 1600 film. Lens was a 28mm wide angle. His shot is also repeated. Without looking at properties or back in the thread for his original post see if you can tell which is digital and which is a film original

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3772/12410925324_e258b47465_z.jpg



http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7318/12089542976_ec3be1a015_z.jpg

[Rallyper]

Upper is digital.
tell me, are you really using ancient negative colour-film?

[N.O.T]

Upper is digital.
tell me, are you really using ancient negative colour-film?

no lower is digital... far crisper image.

its mintex we are talking about he can use whatever he wants....

[Rallyper]

I´m philosofic now: Sometimes I just would like to meet many of you guys and get to know each one of you. I´ve met the nice guys from greece and finland but still I´d like to know more persons from forum... :)

[makinen_fan]

definitely the top is film, has that different look to it!! congrats P. really nice, really can imagine how more difficult would it be for me to switch from digital to film!

[Mintexmemory]

definitely the top is film, has that different look to it!! congrats P. really nice, really can imagine how more difficult would it be for me to switch from digital to film!

Correct Y - Though I would contest that the digital shot is crisper. Be in touch tomorrow re- Pickems

[makinen_fan]

definitely the top is film, has that different look to it!! congrats P. really nice, really can imagine how more difficult would it be for me to switch from digital to film!

Correct Y - Though I would contest that the digital shot is crisper. Be in touch tomorrow re- Pickems

P I have send you a pm yesterday about that, have you receive it?

[dimviii]

P I have send you a pm yesterday about that, have you receive it?

at this forum mods dont reply to pms.

sorry Mintex couldn t resist. :laugh:

[makinen_fan]

P I have send you a pm yesterday about that, have you receive it?

at this forum mods dont reply to pms.

sorry Mintex couldn t resist. :laugh:

LOL !

[Mintexmemory]

[quote="makinen_fan":24bjn8nd]
P I have send you a pm yesterday about that, have you receive it?

at this forum mods dont reply to pms.

sorry Mintex couldn t resist. :laugh:

LOL ![/quote:24bjn8nd]

MF YOU HAVE A PM

A PM -- everyone please note !!!!!!!!!

BTW Ally's shot was taken crouching while I was standing, interesting the difference of a 1m height difference. Also his shot is fraction later than mine from the position of the stones at the edge of the road