Rallye Monte Carlo 2014

[dimviii]

Julian Porter ?@The_Rally_Guru 1 ?????
That's Neuville's 3rd retirement in a row on day 1 of Rally Monte Carlo.

[litifeta]

Ogier Sébastien - Ingrassia Julien "Very tough, I am first on the road… Not an easy job"

Justice in a sport?

Loeb took some championships 1st on road, and while he had a difference from Fords you was pushing him with clear road,not allowing him to relax even with minutes diff from Fords.This was much more difficult job.
Stop moaning and drive Ogier.

be interesting to see how he handles the pressure

[dimviii]

lolololol

Citroën Racing ?@CitroenRacing 3 ?????
Update from SS1: @SebChardo is 4th overall, driving a Citroën DS3 R3!

[jparker]

Meeke 2nd behind RK so far.

I guess the only reason for this post is to mention this funny brit name of some random guy driving French car.

[Mirek]

lolololol

Citroën Racing ?@CitroenRacing 3 ?????
Update from SS1: @SebChardo is 4th overall, driving a Citroën DS3 R3!

Yes, such things happen quite often in Monte or in Jänner as the road conditions may change a lot in a short time...

[Mirek]

Meeke 2nd behind RK so far.

I guess the only reason for this post is to mention this funny brit name of some random guy driving French car.

Are You so stupid or ignorant?

[noel157]

Both.

[er88]

Meeke keeps losing time towards the end of the stages so far. But when you look at leaderboard hes 3rd which is great :)

But Kubica is on another planet atm :bounce:

[er88]

Meeke 2nd behind RK so far.

I guess the only reason for this post is to mention this funny brit name of some random guy driving French car.

F*ck off and do some research i suggest..

[bluuford]

It seems that Kubica, Meeke and all later starters have benedited from starting later. Most of the snow comes to wet surface and forms kind of slush. Every next car is throwing some of thse slush away (as the temperature is + degrees).You need to be confident and know the places with black ice ;-) Moreover, rain/snow eased a little after a few cars.

[dimviii]

Both.
lol

[KKS]

lolololol

Citroën Racing ?@CitroenRacing 3 ?????
Update from SS1: @SebChardo is 4th overall, driving a Citroën DS3 R3!
Incredible!!! Intresting full soft tyres or mix with snow after news from wrc boys

[Astro83]

This will be a real interesting day, this one! :bounce:

So nice that WRC 2014 has started!

Really impressed with RK on this first 2 stages, and so fun for Meeke with this start. I can only hope that he will drive "smart" now and stay on the road!

[jparker]

He he,
Not only that.
I hate some brits spoining my morning with comments pricing thir guys, and calling Prokop "random guy".

Is that stupid island sinking already?

[bluuford]

Only competitor in WRC3 class could not handle the pressure and retired on the first stage?

[dimviii]

Mikko dissapointing so far vs Evans not to name Kubica.Must be the guy with more Monte starts from wrc cars...

[dimviii]

Only competitor in WRC3 class could not handle the pressure and retired on the first stage?

Neuville had plenty of offs -moments at last rallies with Ford .He will not be lucky everytime.

[dupanton]

Really really really disappointed about Neuville... Neuville and the Monte is no happy marriage...

[dimviii]

He he,
Not only that.
I hate some brits spoining my morning with comments pricing thir guys, and calling Prokop "random guy".

Is that stupid island sinking already?

Where is NOT when you need him? :D

[jonkka]

I hate some brits spoining my morning with comments pricing thir guys, and calling Prokop "random guy".

What's the price on your random spoin?

[bluuford]

Next year, it would be cheaper for the team to retire Neuville before the first stage :-P

[jonkka]

Mikko dissapointing so far vs Evans not to name Kubica.Must be the guy with more Monte starts from wrc cars...

Who?

[dimviii]

Mikko.

[jparker]

It looks to me like "gambling" morning.
The conditions are favouring the risk takers.
Will be interesting to see the second run later today.

[jonkka]

Mikko.

Yes, he is (7 WRC). Unless you count Delecour (15).

[bluuford]

Next stage is running as high as 1300 meters. This is one live camera that is located at around 1300 meters. Do you see the road?
http://camera3.inforoute05.fr/image/SIC ... 2119355448 (http://camera3.inforoute05.fr/image/SIC.jpg?token=bSCw7dnTXtUgMCXa02vFg7xr7h8EMzM1&code=0.5840192119355448)
Who has studded tyres?

[noel157]

Next stage is running as high as 1300 meters. This is one live camera that is located at around 1300 meters. Do you see the road?
http://camera3.inforoute05.fr/image/SIC ... 2119355448 (http://camera3.inforoute05.fr/image/SIC.jpg?token=bSCw7dnTXtUgMCXa02vFg7xr7h8EMzM1&code=0.5840192119355448)
Who has studded tyres?

Looks like heavy snow too. Interesting.

[stefanvv]

Next stage is running as high as 1300 meters. This is one live camera that is located at around 1300 meters. Do you see the road?
http://camera3.inforoute05.fr/image/SIC ... 2119355448 (http://camera3.inforoute05.fr/image/SIC.jpg?token=bSCw7dnTXtUgMCXa02vFg7xr7h8EMzM1&code=0.5840192119355448)
Who has studded tyres?
No one? :confused:

[jonkka]

If it indeed is heavy (=thick) snow, first runner(s) will suffer a lot ploughing through that.

[dimviii]

they said winter tyres,but didn t said if they are studed.

[noel157]

Is that a hedge or wall?

[jparker]

Well, it's only small section of the stage that claims up to 1300m, so it may be a factor, but not for studed tyeres, that's for sure.

[bluuford]

I think it was wall (I looked it yesteday)
Another camera that is around 14 km from stage at the elevation of around 1050 m. There is very little snow:
http://camera3.inforoute05.fr/image/TOU ... 9853060814 (http://camera3.inforoute05.fr/image/TOUC.jpg?token=FEnCQidteBCahrtEU1rUN1yMfNgryuOX&code=0.8335679853060814)
So, the differenece with elevation is big

[er88]

Only Meeke and Sordo have 2 winter tyres with no studs??

[Astro83]

Meeke has 2 winter tyres, no stud, and 4 ss tyres.

[dimviii]

Bouffier Meeke Sordo and Evans were the only crews they had 2 snow tyres.All the others were with 5 or 6 soft slicks.

[noel157]

Looks like the snow is being cleared by the gravel crews/spectators etc leaving ice.

[bluuford]

Now it is raining even on 1300 m elevation, so, that should make again things worse for the first starters and favor later starters.

[noel157]

Early starters get snow etc, later starters get gravel and mud. Swings and roundabouts.

[er88]

Could be carnage in this stage with HUGE time differences..

[Evian]

Can anyone copy the link for the radiostream?
I'm att work and I can't get the radio playing on my (WinXP, IE8 (can't install any other browser)) or my Androids (Nexus 4, S2+)). :(

[bluuford]

any help? http://www.wrc.com/live-ticker/live_popup_radio.html

[thuGG]

http://www.wrc.com/live-ticker/live_popup_radio.html

[Astro83]

Does the wrc site not work???

[RS]

You can argue about tyres, road conditions e.t.c. but Kubica won both opening stages of Monte on his first attempt, that's pretty incredible.

What happened to Delecour?

[bluuford]

You can have best conditiond on the stage.. but you have to have balls to use these conditions.. Kubica definitely has these balls :-)

[Francis44]

What happened to Delecour?

In the forum-rallye forum they say it was an off.

[RS]

Such a shame we are not able to watch all of this action live like a few years ago; still at least this year will be progress over the last 2 in that respect.

[PLuto]

What happened to Delecour?

In the forum-rallye forum they say it was an off.

Problems with gas pedal, similar to Kajto in Janner.

[kubiczech]

Can anyone copy the link for the radiostream?
I'm att work and I can't get the radio playing on my (WinXP, IE8 (can't install any other browser)) or my Androids (Nexus 4, S2+)). :(

radio on android is working for me in Photon browser ... navigate on the radio page on wrc.com and enable flash in the top bar
(it si not ideal, but its working)

I dont understand at all that they invest some money a and work into rallyradio and then make it so hard to listen to ... specialy on mobile devices

[litifeta]

Could be carnage in this stage with HUGE time differences..

Rally like it should be. Unpredictable, affected by the elements.

[noel157]

Duez out?

[Le NaRcX]

Meanwhile Chardonnet 8th in the overall with a Ds3 R3

[Mirek]

Duez out?

He is through SS2 but he lost half an hour on SS1...

[Evian]

any help? http://www.wrc.com/live-ticker/live_popup_radio.html
That is as far as I get by my self unfortunately.
The buttons for Play etc. never shows so I can't start the radio... :(

[dimviii]

near start of ss3
http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BeFoCiBIgAAIG04.jpg

[noel157]

any help? http://www.wrc.com/live-ticker/live_popup_radio.html
That is as far as I get by my self unfortunately.
The buttons for Play etc. never shows so I can't start the radio... :(

Same for me, no buttons but seems to be working ok otherwise.

Edit- buttons are back (in Chrome).

[dupanton]

Splits for SS3 are not working??

[dimviii]

:skull:
http://distilleryimage11.ak.instagram.com/60a7798c7e8411e3b9940e44cdc87753_8.jpg

[Evian]

Can anyone copy the link for the radiostream?
I'm att work and I can't get the radio playing on my (WinXP, IE8 (can't install any other browser)) or my Androids (Nexus 4, S2+)). :(

radio on android is working for me in Photon browser ... navigate on the radio page on wrc.com and enable flash in the top bar
(it si not ideal, but its working)

I dont understand at all that they invest some money a and work into rallyradio and then make it so hard to listen to ... specialy on mobile devices

Up and running! :D Thx!

[thuGG]

Splits for SS3 are not working??
Now working.

[dimviii]

:skull: :skull:
http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BeFqMJ6IEAAAbQ2.jpg

[dimviii]

i expect HUGE differences after this stage if these photos represent enough kms

[bluuford]

The difference should appear somewhere in the middle of the stage

[MartijnS]

Both photos are from Eyes of Rally, so think theyre not made that far from each other.

[dimviii]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/q71/s720x720/1525706_10151972278428952_1172567554_n.jpg

[miniwintz]

Damnit the new WRC website is so shit, unbelievable old one was so much better.

[litifeta]

Neuville pic off road

https://twitter.com/RallyeSport/status/ ... 64/photo/1 (https://twitter.com/RallyeSport/status/423742857745547264/photo/1)

[dimviii]

62,81 km/h average for Ogier.Previous stages with 82 and 87km/h

[jonkka]

Damnit the new WRC website is so shit, unbelievable old one was so much better.

I have found one thing that IS better in the new than was in the old. Oddly enough.

On stage times listing stage times list on the left and overall times on the right are both on their own frames, meaning you can scroll both independently from each other!

[dupanton]

Problems for Latvala?

[litifeta]

another one

https://twitter.com/sebmarshall/status/ ... 20/photo/1 (https://twitter.com/sebmarshall/status/423743477831454720/photo/1)

[Mirek]

Average speed 62 km/h says a lot...

[jonkka]

62,81 km/h average for Ogier.

Quite low given that Kubica's average was in excess of 80 kph on two openers.

[jonkka]

Sordo's got fine time on split 4

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BeFwcqNIcAABV0E.jpg:large a bigger one.

[Astro83]

Sordo uses snow tyres, that's the deal in the end of this stage

[stefanvv]

What a time for Sordo. Two winter tyres crossed, good choice

[er88]

Sordo's got fine time on split 4

He has 2 snow tyres - Without studs

[dimviii]

Sordo's got fine time on split 4

Sordo is the first crew with 2 snow tyres.Cross pattern.

[noel157]

Who else is carrying S tyres? Meeke, who else?

[litifeta]

Hyundai one chassis down

[dimviii]

Who else is carrying S tyres? Meeke, who else?

Meeke Evans Bouffier

[thuGG]

Why the f**k the LiveTiming is so awfully slow? Jesus...

[stefanvv]

Meeke & Evans same tyres as Sordo, lets see...

[Franky]

Why can't they get the stage end times through to the web site faster

[dimviii]

Evans same 4th split with Sordo.

[noel157]

Bex is about half an hour ahead of us (and WRC.com). Not good.

[stefanvv]

Evans wins :D

[T.Maanteiden kuningas]

HANAAA EVANS HANAAAA!!!

[jonkka]

Evans same 4th split with Sordo.

That's quite good bearing in mind his experience...

[noel157]

So far.

[Astro83]

I try to be positive... :D

It's a brand new site, so we have to give it a chance... :smokin:

But I agree, it's bad right now

[stefanvv]

Boffier is coming faster, Meeke even more (Bouffier with same tyre choice)

[Franky]

I try to be positive... :D

It's a brand new site, so we have to give it a chance... :smokin:

But I agree, it's bad right now

Last year SIT was not the fastest, so they also slowed down the site :D

[Franky]

Bouffier will set the new fastest time?

[Astro83]

I try to be positive... :D

It's a brand new site, so we have to give it a chance... :smokin:

But I agree, it's bad right now

Last year SIT was not the fastest, so they also slowed down the site :D


:D :D :D

***********

Go Meeke!!!!!!!!!! :bounce:

[dimviii]

seems that stage is Meekes

[noel157]

seems that stage is Meekes

Should be, at least 5 ahead of Bouffier.

[MartijnS]

Annoying that you can't click on a name in the split section to highlight the fastest one. Or is that only at my crappy browser at work?

[Astro83]

RK:s time is good if we compared that with Ogiers!

[jonkka]

No news what made Latvala lose so much?

[Astro83]

No news what made Latvala lose so much?

He did'nt have a good setup, "did not have any good feeling in the car" and so on.

[jonkka]

Bouffier takes lead...

[noel157]

No news what made Latvala lose so much?

Confidence, set-up. Same as last season unfortunately.

Edit -Well done Bryan, leader.

[miniwintz]

Annoying that you can't click on a name in the split section to highlight the fastest one. Or is that only at my crappy browser at work?
It's not only you. The site is shit and times appear with 10 minutes delay.

Congrats to WRC you just broke the only thing left that was decent in the coverage of the championship.

[jonkka]

He did'nt have a good setup, "did not have any feel in the car" and so on.

So no damage/accident/puncture? Just confidence?

[dimviii]

here is faster
http://rally-base.com/2014/rallye-monte ... ?ssId=2171 (http://rally-base.com/2014/rallye-monte-carlo-2014/?ssId=2171)

[litifeta]

Wonder if Bouffier honked the horn as he went past Neuville

[dimviii]

Meeke lost a lot at the end for his tyres.

[bluuford]

Tomorrow weather should be mostly 0..+3 degrees in the morning and a bit higher in the afternoon (on the stages). Rain should start in the morning as the stages start and then get stronger as the day progresses. Stage 3 and 6 (last in the loop) is on the highest elevation and there is a big risk that 30-50% of the stage might be covered by fresh and wet snow (in the morning). So, the faster will be the one who is the fastest after stage 3, do not make conclusions after first or second stage.

Edit: +35 cm more snow predicted for the top of Turini during tomorrow :-)

Finally a nice shakedown stage for Monte, infact for WRC rally held in France:-)

I wonder where the big teams are getting their forecasts? I have only internet and a little knowledge on meteorology and these conditions were pretty clearly predictable yesterday already...

[jonkka]

That stage really shook up the leaderboard... :D

[Micke_VOC]

Annoying that you can't click on a name in the split section to highlight the fastest one. Or is that only at my crappy browser at work?
It's not only you. The site is shit and times appear with 10 minutes delay.

Congrats to WRC you just broke the only thing left that was decent in the coverage of the championship.

I Agree, its a shame how WRC.com working today...
And the design of new results-pages are really bad, was much better last year....

[Astro83]

He did'nt have a good setup, "did not have any feel in the car" and so on.

So no damage/accident/puncture? Just confidence?

Just conficence, yes, sadly... :|

I hope he get's going in Sweden!

[noel157]

Wonder if Bouffier honked the horn as he went past Neuville

LOL

[stefanvv]

Tomorrow weather should be mostly 0..+3 degrees in the morning and a bit higher in the afternoon (on the stages). Rain should start in the morning as the stages start and then get stronger as the day progresses. Stage 3 and 6 (last in the loop) is on the highest elevation and there is a big risk that 30-50% of the stage might be covered by fresh and wet snow (in the morning). So, the faster will be the one who is the fastest after stage 3, do not make conclusions after first or second stage.

Edit: +35 cm more snow predicted for the top of Turini during tomorrow :-)

Finally a nice shakedown stage for Monte, infact for WRC rally held in France:-)

I wonder where the big teams are getting their forecasts? I have only internet and a little knowledge on meteorology and these conditions were pretty clearly predictable yesterday already...
Go figure, I wonder too

[KKS]

Annoying that you can't click on a name in the split section to highlight the fastest one. Or is that only at my crappy browser at work?
I have carppy Mozilla at crappy work and didn't work for me

[Astro83]

Meeke lost a lot at the end for his tyres.

I dont follow you right now? ;)

He sets a real good time, second on the stage, 2th overall?

[noel157]

Meeke lost a lot at the end for his tyres.

I dont follow you right now? ;)

He sets a real good time, second on the stage, 2th overall?

4th on stage, eased off a bit towards end of stage. Sensible.

[er88]

That is 3rd stage in a row Meeke has had poor final splits :dozey: Couldve been in the lead!! Well done Bouffier, and Kubicas time on SS3 should not be underestimated - brilliant time. Ogier has got a fight on his hands :bounce:

[Francis44]

Live official stream from service park: http://www.wrc.com/live-ticker/live_popup_stream.html

Interviews and more.

[dimviii]

That stage really shook up the leaderboard... :D

i really can t understand why so many crews choosed 5 or 6 supersofts tyres instead of 4 softs and 2 snow tyres..Even with 4 supersofts is not problem to last these 3 stages at these low temperatures of 0-2 degrees celsious.The only problem is if you have a small off that destroy the tyre.

[KKS]

I Agree, its a shame how WRC.com working today...
And the design of new results-pages are really bad, was much better last year....
Ooold one was great. Grey background, blue faster and green/red diff's

Oh how cool was that

[RS]

Melicharek ahead of Latvala, Mikkelsen and Hirvonen after three stages :D

[Astro83]

Meeke lost a lot at the end for his tyres.

I dont follow you right now? ;)

He sets a real good time, second on the stage, 2th overall?

4th on stage, eased off a bit towards end of stage. Sensible.


Yes, I see that now, sorry! :)

Ye, as long as he stay on the road I'm happy. But a real good start to the rally!

[Filip]

Looks like Melichárek is doing a rally of his life, who would thought he could make 5th stage time overall.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

What a morning... insane :crazy:

[er88]

Jesus the Finns should just go home if they're going to continue like this...Evans battering Mikko is laughable even despite the tyre situation and unpredictable weather :laugh:

[whosyo]

Wow.. Kubica is on fire! The most impressive debut I ever seen.

[rage82]

Here you can watch live what's going on in the service park: http://www.wrc.com/live-ticker/live_popup_stream.html

[Micke_VOC]

I Agree, its a shame how WRC.com working today...
And the design of new results-pages are really bad, was much better last year....
Ooold one was great. Grey background, blue faster and green/red diff's

Oh how cool was that

Results was much better with two columns on side of each other...
Now everything looks very blurry !!

[RS]

Wilson must be pretty pleased with his pay drivers; Kubica leads after first two and then Bouffier takes over.

Early days yet, but I wonder whether the same will happen as last year in that the "third" MSport driver ends up as the best one?

[noel157]

I dont follow you right now? ;)

He sets a real good time, second on the stage, 2th overall?

4th on stage, eased off a bit towards end of stage. Sensible.[/quote]


Yes, I see that now, sorry! :)

Ye, as long as he stay on the road I'm happy. But a real good start to the rally![/quote]

I think he'll be happy too. Doesn't need to lead or chase the lead.

[dimviii]

Bouffier didnt choosed from Hyundai for Monte drive.What an irony so far!

[Astro83]

yes this morning is absolutely insane... :laugh:

But real fun, I think, when it's not like before when Loeb always was leading and the same for last season with Ogier... This morning has been more fun then for a long time...

But we will see, I think Ogier will go much faster on the second loop and will shift up a level or two..

[MR666]

mmm wrc.com... can only get rally radio to work in Google Chrome, and the results page is just wrong lol

[thuGG]

Wow.. Kubica is on fire! The most impressive debut I ever seen.

Well, his debut was last year on Rally GB, was't that impressive though ;)

[dimviii]

Most impressive is that Kubica with same tyres was as fast as Ogier,2,5 minutes faster from Latvala,and 10 seconds faster from Mikko.Impressive nevertheless

[Rallyper]

Morning friends. Any news? :D

RMC goes on being a chance rally without any predictable outcome for the established drivers. :rolleyes:

Meaning Rally Sweden gives the first hints of raw speed.

[dimviii]

Burri 3rd time at stage,and 6th overall :D

[Munkvy]

I wonder how much doing Janner Rally helped Kubica get ready for these conditions? Given everyone else only tested, there is nothing like proper competition experience pushing you to help hone your skills.

[urabus-denoS2000]

Awesome start from Kubica :) Good to see Meeke and Bouffier in the mix as well. Awesome RMC so far :)

Great time by Burri aswell, leading in S2000 Fiesta in front of all R5 Fiestas :laugh: Quite a funny situation

[RS]

I wonder how much doing Janner Rally helped Kubica get ready for these conditions? Given everyone else only tested, there is nothing like proper competition experience pushing you to help hone your skills.

I think it will have helped him get used to the new car at least; I doubt he would have been leading after two stages without it.

[RS]

Awesome start from Kubica :) Good to see Meeke and Bouffier in the mix as well. Awesome RMC so far :)

Great time by Burri aswell, leading in S2000 Fiesta in front of all R5 Fiestas :laugh: Quite a funny situation

I think it is probably an RRC, but good performance nonetheless.

[dimviii]

Hyundai Motorsport team manager, Alain Penasse, told WRC.com: “We are disappointed because we agreed that he would go for a smooth start because we know conditions would be difficult.
“If we compare the split to that of Ogier, Thierry was 4.5s quicker which is a huge difference. I think maybe he started a little too quick and wasn’t taking into consideration the winter conditions that were a reality at that moment.”


:disturb:


edit the above is the only comment so far from the official site so far after 3 stages.
these guys must go home,they are useless.They ruin the sport.

[dimviii]

Chardonnet 4th at stage and 6th overall with ds3 r3

[urabus-denoS2000]

What about Chardonnet's time? :)

[er88]

Morning friends. Any news? :D

RMC goes on being a chance rally without any predictable outcome for the established drivers. :rolleyes:

Meaning Rally Sweden gives the first hints of raw speed.

To a certain extent yes, but not entirely. Mads did well to keep up with the #1 Citreon driver over the first 2 stages don't you think Rallyper ;)? Haha :laugh:

[bluuford]

I guess that many drivers are going to verreact to the conditions now. They take too much snow tyres :-) Increasing temperature together with some rain should cleare most of the snow and right choiche might be supersofts.. and just for in case couple of snow tyres as a spare for the last stage..

[dimviii]

I guess that many drivers are going to verreact to the conditions now. They take too much snow tyres :-) Increasing temperature together with some rain should cleare most of the snow and right choiche might be supersofts.. and just for in case couple of snow tyres as a spare for the last stage..

will be snowing at parts of stages at/before 2nd loop?

[bluuford]

For the stage elevation.. I think it will be rain only.. lets say 95% sure;-)

[skarderud]

I've got a samsung s4 that is new to me today, i have google chrome but no wrradio. Is it any settings i have to do?

[miniwintz]

You need flash player and in some cases another web browser... Let's hope they release a real smartphone app sometime soon.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Kubica again showing he has raw speed.. just needs to stay on the road !

Janner Rally has definately helped.. he was awesome on the final stage there to win...

[stefanvv]

I guess that many drivers are going to verreact to the conditions now. They take too much snow tyres :-)
With studs, with studs :D

[Mirek]

I guess that many drivers are going to verreact to the conditions now. They take too much snow tyres :-) Increasing temperature together with some rain should cleare most of the snow and right choiche might be supersofts.. and just for in case couple of snow tyres as a spare for the last stage..

Michelin guys claimed they prepared new winter tyres to work much better in asphalt conditions. They said those shall be better even with small percentage of snow surface on the stages. Let's see...

[Sulland]

Very strange that the works team have spotters on each SS, like Delecour had in IRC!
The surface change by the minute here in these +/- 0 degrees conditions!

[N.O.T]

Classic Monte results on the first loop...exciting but nothing to do with driving.

[Mirek]

Very strange that the works team have spotters on each SS, like Delecour had in IRC!
The surface change by the minute here in these +/- 0 degrees conditions!

There are many places without GSM signal in French mountains. For example when I was on the stage of Škoda waterloo in 2011 I knew what was going on but I could not inform anyone as I had no carrier pigeon...

[skarderud]

You need flash player and in some cases another web browser... Let's hope they release a real smartphone app sometime soon.

Thanks! Im realy not impressed about redbull media, looks more like bullshit media.
what have they been doing last year? Sitting around and diskuss several ways to but a thumb in theire a**?

[KKS]

Hyundai Motorsport team manager, Alain Penasse, told WRC.com: “We are disappointed because we agreed that he would go for a smooth start because we know conditions would be difficult.
“If we compare the split to that of Ogier, Thierry was 4.5s quicker which is a huge difference. I think maybe he started a little too quick and wasn’t taking into consideration the winter conditions that were a reality at that moment.”

If you strcik yourself - you can get a confidence. And after that you crash. Maybe if Thierry think about confidence in a car things maybe be different.
Only flatout!

[KKS]

What about Chardonnet's time? :)
Who all this people ? Sordo, Ogier, JML, Mikko? I didn't know they. They are overtaken by Chardonnet :)

[KKS]

BTW, even Protoasov lose near 3 minutes in RC2, inspite of that he took the lead in WRC2

[rage82]

I've got a samsung s4 that is new to me today, i have google chrome but no wrradio. Is it any settings i have to do?
Some guy written previously that he's using Photon browser on android device. You have to enable the flash from the top of the app

[Rallyper]

[/quote]
To a certain extent yes, but not entirely. Mads did well to keep up with the #1 Citreon driver over the first 2 stages don't you think Rallyper ;)? Haha :laugh:[/quote]

:laugh: :laugh: It aint over yet, but as you say...

[Rallyper]

Classic Monte results on the first loop...exciting but nothing to do with driving.

Agree 100% but I was too modest to explain that in words above...(10:49) :o

[dimviii]

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[Micke_VOC]

Any info what happen to Delecour and Maurin (Mechanical) on SS1 ?
Had been interesting to know what tire-strategy Delecour had with his experience

[dimviii]

if somebody have missed it,live stream from service works properly
http://www.wrc.com/live-ticker/live_popup_stream.html

[er88]

To a certain extent yes, but not entirely. Mads did well to keep up with the #1 Citreon driver over the first 2 stages don't you think Rallyper ;)? Haha :laugh:[/quote]

:laugh: :laugh: It aint over yet, but as you say...[/quote]

:laugh: We have to bet some beers regarding our Meeke and Mads views. IMO its obvious Meeke will outpace Ostberg this year on most rallies barring sweden and finland- soo to make it a simplier bet for you il give you 20 beers if Mads finishes ahead of Meeke in the Final Championship Standings. If Meeke finishes ahead you give me 20 beers?? :bounce:

[Brother John]

Classic Monte results on the first loop...exciting but nothing to do with driving.

Agree 100% but I was too modest to explain that in words above...(10:49) :o

I agree also 100% wat "N.O.T" say. :-) .... :D

[Sukhoi]

Someone should tell WRC Live Steam hosts how to properly pronounce "Kubica" :laugh:

[Franky]

if somebody have missed it,live stream from service works properly
http://www.wrc.com/live-ticker/live_popup_stream.html

Do they have live on camera interviews?

[Sukhoi]

if somebody have missed it,live stream from service works properly
http://www.wrc.com/live-ticker/live_popup_stream.html

Do they have live on camera interviews?


In service park , yes

[Marcco]

Classic Monte results on the first loop...exciting but nothing to do with driving.
Very well said :)

[Nornbugger]

[quote="N.O.T":34qzr5vp]Classic Monte results on the first loop...exciting but nothing to do with driving.

Agree 100% but I was too modest to explain that in words above...(10:49) :o

I agree also 100% wat "N.O.T" say. :-) .... :D[/quote:34qzr5vp]


with respect you are all wrong IMHO, road position and its +'s and -'s, tyre choice and keeping it betwwen the ditches are all part of rally, some did it much better than others this morning. No one would claim it to be a representation of who is the fastest driver/car combo in perfect conditions, but it is an accurate representation of who did their job best this morning.

Also how the heck can Bluford tell us yesterday what the teams couldnt figure this morning, respect to you sir, and I think you are overly modest about your meteorological knowledge, in my time on this forum you have made many accurate weather predictions and I cant remember you making any real blunders yet?

[Franky]

I left the rally radio playing and at one point noticed that they are looping the service "report". Have they stopped playing music this year? Hearing Ostberg complain or apologize or whatever you call it more than once is a bit tiresome.

[dimviii]

bluford have give us accurate weather report stage by stage at Acropolis.And he was right about rain ,in which part of the stage will rain,how much rain etc.
really genious at his hobby!

[Mirek]

with respect you are all wrong IMHO, road position and its +'s and -'s, tyre choice and keeping it betwwen the ditches are all part of rally, some did it much better than others this morning. No one would claim it to be a representation of who is the fastest driver/car combo in perfect conditions, but it is an accurate representation of who did their job best this morning.

Also how the heck can Bluford tell us yesterday what the teams couldnt figure this morning, respect to you sir, and I think you are overly modest about your meteorological knowledge, in my time on this forum you have made many accurate weather predictions and I cant remember you making any real blunders yet?

Fully agree with You.

[Franky]

bluford have give us accurate weather report stage by stage at Acropolis.And he was right about rain ,in which part of the stage will rain,how much rain etc.
really genious at his hobby!

And after Christmas about Rally Sweden and snow.

Do not worry guys, proper snow arrives to Rally Sweden stages on the second week of January

The most accurate rally weather forecaster!

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BeGRqrgIIAESXwo.jpg


https://scontent-a-ams.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/t1/q80/s720x720/1185409_584049905008402_33796341_n.jpg

[er88]

Indeed- i agree with Nornbugger on both his points there. Hats off to you bluuford, teams should read you're forecasts on here before making tyre choices :)

[dimviii]

look at the stage conditions
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=p ... oVDcHQEGUc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=MoVDcHQEGUc)

[dimviii]

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[RS]

^^ Wonderful photos.

[dimviii]

watch how different is the road from Ogier to Bouffier.

[Rallyper]

To a certain extent yes, but not entirely. Mads did well to keep up with the #1 Citreon driver over the first 2 stages don't you think Rallyper ;)? Haha :laugh:

:laugh: :laugh: It aint over yet, but as you say...[/quote]

:laugh: We have to bet some beers regarding our Meeke and Mads views. IMO its obvious Meeke will outpace Ostberg this year on most rallies barring sweden and finland- soo to make it a simplier bet for you il give you 20 beers if Mads finishes ahead of Meeke in the Final Championship Standings. If Meeke finishes ahead you give me 20 beers?? :bounce:[/quote]

Taken. Where shall I pick up my beers? RS 2015? :D :D

[T.Maanteiden kuningas]

If you don´t like use WRC.com

Split times:
http://www.citroenracing.com/en/live-re ... plit&car=1 (http://www.citroenracing.com/en/live-results/?id=6715&idEpr=SS4&typf=split&car=1)

[bluuford]

Hmm many are going out with snow tyres... maybe these are better with heavy rain as well? because it is raining quite heavily in the region right now and likely during all remaining stages. But with studs? Probably some corners in higher elevation have turned into ice.. but ice tyres.. really :-) Overreacting?;-)

[dimviii]

If you don´t like use WRC.com

Split times:
http://www.citroenracing.com/en/live-re ... plit&car=1 (http://www.citroenracing.com/en/live-results/?id=6715&idEpr=SS4&typf=split&car=1)

tried them but didn t worked properly.

Ogier about the weather prediction.

" Our weather information was far from being good this morning. Went on slicks because we were told of a thaw with rain in the late morning it was far from the case. .
Obviously, it was very difficult this morning. Whilst on the link, it was just wet, in the first corner of SS1 I hit a wall on the left side. can count themselves lucky to still be there after this error. Perty In the descent, I was maybe 20 km / h and I hit a guardrail to help me turn .
A assistance, I hesitated to make snow, it is also my mistake. "

[noel157]

quote="Rallyper"
Classic Monte results on the first loop...exciting but nothing to do with driving.

Agree 100% but I was too modest to explain that in words above...(10:49) :o

I agree also 100% wat "N.O.T" say. :-) .... :D[/quote]


with respect you are all wrong IMHO, road position and its +'s and -'s, tyre choice and keeping it betwwen the ditches are all part of rally, some did it much better than others this morning. No one would claim it to be a representation of who is the fastest driver/car combo in perfect conditions, but it is an accurate representation of who did their job best this morning.

Also how the heck can Bluford tell us yesterday what the teams couldnt figure this morning, respect to you sir, and I think you are overly modest about your meteorological knowledge, in my time on this forum you have made many accurate weather predictions and I cant remember you making any real blunders yet?[/quote]

+110%

There's the usual miserable old gits ( :) ) moaning and whining. Yes it's a lottery with tyres and weather but cars still have to be driven. Hat off to all the drivers.

And +110% to BF, proper weather forecaster.

[dimviii]

Bryan Bouffier (Ford Fiesta - M Sport, leader in mid-day): "We had two snow tires embedded in the trunk. I had a lot of information ... Still, I was surprised to see snow on the first stage. Slick tires, it was super easy to get out of the road but it was quite regular. For the 3rd special was mounted two snow tires. But do not burn, and it must stay focused. It was only fifty kilometers of special and there is still a big chunk. In the afternoon, the choice will still be tricky. There was rain, but the snow is not very far anyway. It will probably rain-snow mix. I hope to stay in this position until at least tonight and beyond. "

[Sukhoi]

found this one on other forum..

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=582342441854692

[dimviii]

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more photos from borl
http://www.flickr.com/photos/bestofrall ... 979790356/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/bestofrallylive/with/11979790356/)

[dimviii]

Bouffier talking about tyres with George Black( ford tyre guy)
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BeGZ4afCIAANwav.jpg

[Mirek]

Hmm many are going out with snow tyres... maybe these are better with heavy rain as well? because it is raining quite heavily in the region right now and likely during all remaining stages. But with studs? Probably some corners in higher elevation have turned into ice.. but ice tyres.. really :-) Overreacting?;-)

Have You followed Jänner? Kubica won last stage by a huge margin without any snow when he was on snow tyres with two studded. There was a lot of water and mud. With no proper rain tyres the slicks are not that good in wet...

[dimviii]

Ogiers polo after the wall touch
http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BeGY67gCYAABkaZ.jpg

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Nothng to do with driving.

Talking rubbish again. Ask Neuville...

[stefanvv]

If you don´t like use WRC.com

Split times:
http://www.citroenracing.com/en/live-re ... plit&car=1 (http://www.citroenracing.com/en/live-results/?id=6715&idEpr=SS4&typf=split&car=1)
Much better presentation at least. We'll see how fast they appear after awhile

[Mirek]

According to Pluto first half of SS4 is mostly slush and wet ice, than few kilometers of snow and second half mostly only wet but muddy. SS5 wet and muddy.

[dimviii]

Choice of tires for the second loop: Ford, Sordo, Latvala and Mikkelsen (4 + 2 snow nails), Ogier (2 soft, 2 Snow and 2 nails), Citroën (4 + 2 soft snow).

http://www.rallye-sport.fr/es4-mc-2014/

[er88]

To a certain extent yes, but not entirely. Mads did well to keep up with the #1 Citreon driver over the first 2 stages don't you think Rallyper ;)? Haha :laugh:

:laugh: :laugh: It aint over yet, but as you say...

:laugh: We have to bet some beers regarding our Meeke and Mads views. IMO its obvious Meeke will outpace Ostberg this year on most rallies barring sweden and finland- soo to make it a simplier bet for you il give you 20 beers if Mads finishes ahead of Meeke in the Final Championship Standings. If Meeke finishes ahead you give me 20 beers?? :bounce:[/quote]

Taken. Where shall I pick up my beers? RS 2015? :D :D[/quote]

Im sure you meant where will you give me mine :beer: :beer: :beer:

[kirungi okwogera]

I am stunned that these teams aren't scrambling to track down and hire bluuford, for many rallies now I have never seen him significantly wrong and we've all seen every team (but mostly ford, let's be honest) make bigger wrong calls.

Ridiculous first few stages, just how Monte Carlo should be. It'd be hilarious if Chardonnet stayed in the top 10 to the end just through making correct tyre choices for 3 days!

Of course the driving and the car are still important but on certain rallies a "bluuford" on your team can make more difference than that. Look at the minutes that some fast guys have lost... Latvala, etc.

Sad to see Neuville off and I hope it doesn't indicate anything about his future rallies, but Hyundai still have a car in podium position - Sordo is a really underappreciated driver and he's doing exactly what Hyundai must have wanted. If I had just hired a young Neuville as no. 1, I would want Sordo or Hirvonen to get manufacturer points when things like this happen. Still, so early who knows if the whole top 12 drivers reverse places by the end.

This is a rally I'd really like to see live pictures for just to see the contrast between the guys sliding around on wrong tyres and the guys making huge gains on them - does anyone know if any TV stream will exist for powerstage or anything?

[Rallyper]

In Edinburgh maybe an exchange could be arranged?

[dimviii]

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[jparker]

with respect you are all wrong IMHO, road position and its +'s and -'s, tyre choice and keeping it betwwen the ditches are all part of rally, some did it much better than others this morning. No one would claim it to be a representation of who is the fastest driver/car combo in perfect conditions, but it is an accurate representation of who did their job best this morning.

Also how the heck can Bluford tell us yesterday what the teams couldnt figure this morning, respect to you sir, and I think you are overly modest about your meteorological knowledge, in my time on this forum you have made many accurate weather predictions and I cant remember you making any real blunders yet?


If that's your point of view, that's fine, but those conditions don't really show the real driving skills related to rally racing.
Question: Is Kubica faster then all the rest, or he just did the best job this morning?

[dimviii]

http://www.rallye-sport.fr/wp-content/gallery/monte-carlo-2014-aurelien/aurelien_vialatte-25-2.jpg
more
http://www.rallye-sport.fr/photos-rally ... lo-2014-2/ (http://www.rallye-sport.fr/photos-rallye-monte-carlo-2014-2/)

[er88]

In Edinburgh maybe an exchange could be arranged?

Im sure that could definitely be arranged. Or if Scotland gets it act together and gets itself on the ERC calendar in 2015(which could happen) - we could exchange there if there was enough Nordic drivers in the entry list for you too come over and support :D

[megadrive]

Choice of tires for the second loop: Ford, Sordo, Latvala and Mikkelsen (4 + 2 snow nails), Ogier (2 soft, 2 Snow and 2 nails), Citroën (4 + 2 soft snow).

http://www.rallye-sport.fr/es4-mc-2014/

Seems, Ogier choose the most risky tyre strategy, he need to catch many drivers in front of him...

[noel157]

If that's your point of view, that's fine, but those conditions don't really show the real driving skills related to rally racing.
Question: Is Kubica faster then all the rest, or he just did the best job this morning?

What is rally racing?

[Franky]

If that's your point of view, that's fine, but those conditions don't really show the real driving skills related to rally racing.
Question: Is Kubica faster then all the rest, or he just did the best job this morning?

I have to disagree. The more difficult the conditions are the more driving skill will count. And rallying isn't about a single or two or three stages. Unless those are the only stages in the rally. The guy who has completed the course the fastest is the winner.

[stefanvv]

Choice of tires for the second loop: Ford, Sordo, Latvala and Mikkelsen (4 + 2 snow nails), Ogier (2 soft, 2 Snow and 2 nails), Citroën (4 + 2 soft snow).

http://www.rallye-sport.fr/es4-mc-2014/

Seems, Ogier choose the most risky tyre strategy, he need to catch many drivers in front of him...
If there is snow mostly on 1st half of SS4, he'll lose time here.

[megadrive]

SS-04 is underway now, now condtitons should be worth. First 9 kms patchy ice and slush, 3,5 km fresh snow and rest is wet with mud on cuts.

[Nikey]

Ogier losing to both finns at first 1/3 of stage

[megadrive]

Choice of tires for the second loop: Ford, Sordo, Latvala and Mikkelsen (4 + 2 snow nails), Ogier (2 soft, 2 Snow and 2 nails), Citroën (4 + 2 soft snow).

http://www.rallye-sport.fr/es4-mc-2014/

Seems, Ogier choose the most risky tyre strategy, he need to catch many drivers in front of him...
If there is snow mostly on 1st half of SS4, he'll lose time here.

Yeap, 12 seconds loss after 2 split to Latvala time wich is driving on 4 snows i think.

[er88]

Yeeeess the arrogant Frenchman looks too have been given a reality check - today at least :bounce:

[Dug83]

Splits look like they are working better...

[megadrive]

it is definitely wrong tyre choice for Ogier...

[dimviii]

Choice of tires for the second loop: Ford, Sordo, Latvala and Mikkelsen (4 + 2 snow nails), Ogier (2 soft, 2 Snow and 2 nails), Citroën (4 + 2 soft snow).

http://www.rallye-sport.fr/es4-mc-2014/

Seems, Ogier choose the most risky tyre strategy, he need to catch many drivers in front of him...
If there is snow mostly on 1st half of SS4, he'll lose time here.

its a choice for a lot of km covered with snow something we dont have such an information.

[jparker]

If that's your point of view, that's fine, but those conditions don't really show the real driving skills related to rally racing.
Question: Is Kubica faster then all the rest, or he just did the best job this morning?

I have to disagree. The more difficult the conditions are the more driving skill will count. And rallying isn't about a single or two or three stages. Unless those are the only stages in the rally. The guy who has completed the course the fastest is the winner.

Well, I understand that, but picking better tires has nothing to do with driving skills. Probably better weather crew.

[stefanvv]

Looks like setup changes works for Latvala

[jonkka]

it is definitely wrong tyre choice for Ogier...

At least it's safe to every direction.

[Rallyper]

If that's your point of view, that's fine, but those conditions don't really show the real driving skills related to rally racing.
Question: Is Kubica faster then all the rest, or he just did the best job this morning?

I have to disagree. The more difficult the conditions are the more driving skill will count. And rallying isn't about a single or two or three stages. Unless those are the only stages in the rally. The guy who has completed the course the fastest is the winner.

For me rallying skills are about, except from good strategy, how to handle a rallycar in 6th gear on gravel or snow when you have a pace note saying 5 left or right. Not driving in 60 km/h on slush with X set of tyres.

[dimviii]

(1 - Ogier Sébastien / Ingrassia Julien): Looks like it is not the best tyre choice, but we have to wait for the loop. The next stage it should be better. (winter tyres crossed over with super softs)

[stefanvv]

its a choice for a lot of km covered with snow something we dont have such an information.
My guess was he'd go for SS + Winter for first 2 stages and Winter + Studs for last one, so far I'm right. I guess he counts on next stage to gain more than the time lost on SS4

[A FONDO]

If that's your point of view, that's fine, but those conditions don't really show the real driving skills related to rally racing.
Question: Is Kubica faster then all the rest, or he just did the best job this morning?

I have to disagree. The more difficult the conditions are the more driving skill will count. And rallying isn't about a single or two or three stages. Unless those are the only stages in the rally. The guy who has completed the course the fastest is the winner.

Well, I understand that, but picking better tires has nothing to do with driving skills. Probably better weather crew.
That's right, but when you chose wrong tyres, your skills will help you minimize the time loss (and avoid retirement) so you can counter-attack on the next loop or day. Ogier is still the main favorite, others are too scared or unreliable.

[dimviii]

Neuville pole
https://scontent-b-ams.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/t1/q85/s720x720/1012012_584069865006406_341454567_n.jpg

[Mirek]

For me rallying skills are about, except from good strategy, how to handle a rallycar in 6th gear on gravel or snow when you have a pace note saying 5 left or right. Not driving in 60 km/h on slush with X set of tyres.

I haven't expected such statement from You :(

Rallying is and ALWAYS has been about coping with conditions. This event called Rallye Monte Carlo gave the name to the whole sport. It is far older than any other rally in the world and it has always been about the fight with conditions. How about Safari? Argentina? Acropolis? That is not rallying for You?

[bluuford]

Looks like supersoft tyres are not meant for wet roads.. and wintertyres without studs is the correct choice:-) Strange tyres nowadays..

[megadrive]

Neuville pole
https://scontent-b-ams.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/t1/q85/s720x720/1012012_584069865006406_341454567_n.jpg

Some villages were left without electricity :rolleyes:

[jonkka]

Looks like supersoft tyres are not meant for wet roads.. and wintertyres without studs is the correct choice:-) Strange tyres nowadays..

Maybe winter tyre has a compound that works better in cold.

[stefanvv]

Bouffier is taking it very seriously. Quite a time so far

[A FONDO]

Some villages were left without electricity :rolleyes:
At least they have some entertainment nearby to fill their time. :D

[er88]

Looks like supersoft tyres are not meant for wet roads.. and wintertyres without studs is the correct choice:-) Strange tyres nowadays..

Winter tyres might go off later in the loop- have to manage them carefully id imagine if not driving on snow most of the time..

[ChristianArp]

If that's your point of view, that's fine, but those conditions don't really show the real driving skills related to rally racing.
Question: Is Kubica faster then all the rest, or he just did the best job this morning?

I have to disagree. The more difficult the conditions are the more driving skill will count. And rallying isn't about a single or two or three stages. Unless those are the only stages in the rally. The guy who has completed the course the fastest is the winner.

Well, I understand that, but picking better tires has nothing to do with driving skills. Probably better weather crew.

Being able to cope with a good or bad tire choice has everything to do with driving skill though. That seems to be what you are missing in all of this. The winner of the Monte is usually the guy who best handles a combination of good tire choices AND being fast but safe when you miss on the tires - which will inevitably happen at some point.

[Mirek]

Looks like supersoft tyres are not meant for wet roads.. and wintertyres without studs is the correct choice:-) Strange tyres nowadays..

Maybe winter tyre has a compound that works better in cold.

It's not about the compound but about the pattern. Nowadays the patter for asphalt tyres is universal for dry or wet conditions. As any hybrid it doesn't do anything perfect. We have been hearing complaints about their wet performance for years. Winter tyres have much larger and deeper grooves in the pattern hence they are more resistant to aquaplaning.

[jparker]

Well, Kubica just said "It's not driving, it's surviving".

[Mirek]

Winter tyres might go off later in the loop- have to manage them carefully id imagine if not driving on snow most of the time..

These asphalt winter tyres are quite durable unless there is a pure dry asphalt.

[jonkka]

It's not about the compound but about the pattern. Nowadays the patter for asphalt tyres is universal for dry or wet conditions.

Unless you meant "compound" instead of "pattern", this doesn't make any sense?

[jonkka]

Stupid choice of font where bold is not much different from regular.

[Mirek]

It's not about the compound but about the pattern. Nowadays the patter for asphalt tyres is universal for dry or wet conditions.

Unless you meant "compound" instead of "pattern", this doesn't make any sense?

You didn't understand...

The supersoft tyre has better compound for wet than winter tyre BUT it has very bad pattern - too little and too shallow grooves so that it works well on dry. Different pattern for dry and wet tyre is not allowed.

The winter tyre has worse compound (it must keep studs inside so it can not be too soft - my guessing) BUT it has large and deep grooves in the pattern which help significantly with standing water and increase traction on mud.

Remember they used winter tyres for wet already in Ireland 2009? ;) It's nothing new with recent regulations.

[Micke_VOC]

Recap Stage 1-3 (Video from WRC)
http://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/media/videos/ ... -80--.html (http://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/media/videos/page/112--80--.html)

Quite spectacular spin from Östberg..

[megadrive]

What's going on? Again private M-sport drivers are better than manufacture team? the same tyres and the same car :eek:

[jonkka]

I see.

[megadrive]

Recap Stage 1-3 (Video from WRC)
http://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/media/videos/ ... -80--.html (http://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/media/videos/page/112--80--.html)

Quite spectacular spin from Östberg..

Really huge moment for Mads ^)

[Franky]

Well, Kubica just said "It's not driving, it's surviving".

It's rallying!

[dimviii]

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[ChristianArp]

What's going on? Again private M-sport drivers are better than manufacture team? the same tyres and the same car :eek:

Mikko missed on the tires and Evans can hardly be asked to follow a man of Bouffier's ability and experience on his first event in the car?

[Astro83]

Really close call there for Östberg :o

[jparker]

What's going on? Again private M-sport drivers are better than manufacture team? the same tyres and the same car :eek:

Well, as I said earlier, it's a gambler's driver time.
Manufacture's drivers are just playing save for now. Just my guess.