Wales Rally GB 2013

[306 Cosworth]

So not long now until Wales Rally GB.

Still disappointed with the route for Sunday, but nothing we can do about that. Just have to make sure I make the most of seeing them 3 - 4 times on the Quali stage on the Thursday and in the stages.

Heard a rumour today that Kubica is now doing the event in a works DS3 WRC. Not sure if it's another car, or the seat that Meeke was rumoured to be having. Guess we will find out in the next couple of weeks when an entry list is revealed.

There is also hope amongst british fans, that the rally will see the return of multiple British rally champion, Mark Higgins in a Fiesta R5. And of course Irish Driver Keith Cronin has a chance to take the Citroen Top Driver trophy on stages he knows.


The entries for the national rallies are also looking pretty good, over 100 crews entered which should fill the time between the international rally.

[thuGG]

Heard a rumour today that Kubica is now doing the event in a works DS3 WRC. Not sure if it's another car, or the seat that Meeke was rumoured to be having. Guess we will find out in the next couple of weeks when an entry list is revealed.


Rumors says that it will be Al Qassimi's car.

[Doon]

Well Meeke better had be in Sordo's car then!

[makinen_fan]

Personally I would like to see Sordo driving his usual car, he deserves a chance for a better position in the championship. Meeke showed so far that he is not ready to take responsibility either as No1 or No2 driver, so give him Al Qassimi's car

[thuGG]

Well Meeke better had be in Sordo's car then!

As I read on polish autoklub.pl, it's Al Quassimi himself (during Cyprus Rally) who said that Robert will start in Rally GB, also Meeke was under consideration but finally it'll be Kubica who'll take his car.

[MrJan]

Personally I would like to see Sordo driving his usual car, he deserves a chance for a better position in the championship. Meeke showed so far that he is not ready to take responsibility either as No1 or No2 driver, so give him Al Qassimi's car

I disagree. Okay he failed to do what he was asked to by the team, but that's no different to Solberg, McRae, Latvala, Duval and many many other drivers in their first season. I think that on his pure pace alone he has shown he can be the number 2 driver for Citroen, but I think that ship has sadly sailed for him.

[Doon]

Personally I would like to see Sordo driving his usual car, he deserves a chance for a better position in the championship. Meeke showed so far that he is not ready to take responsibility either as No1 or No2 driver, so give him Al Qassimi's car

What is the point of getting a better final championship placing for Sordo? He can't win anything, and neither can Citroen. So unless they mean to keep Sordo for next year, why not try out other drivers in his seat.

Fair play, Kubica is a good choice, just so they can see what he can do in a top class car.

[EightGear]

If Meeke got 2 opportunities to show himself, then why shouldn't Kubica get at least 1?

[dimviii]

MAXRALLY ?@MAXRALLY 8?
Robert Kubica gets factory Citroen drive for @WalesRallyGB #WRC

https://twitter.com/MAXRALLY

[rallyfun]

Personally I would like to see Sordo driving his usual car, he deserves a chance for a better position in the championship. Meeke showed so far that he is not ready to take responsibility either as No1 or No2 driver, so give him Al Qassimi's car

What is the point of getting a better final championship placing for Sordo? He can't win anything, and neither can Citroen. So unless they mean to keep Sordo for next year, why not try out other drivers in his seat.

Fair play, Kubica is a good choice, just so they can see what he can do in a top class car.
What is the point of driving anyone else apart from Latvalla and Nueville, others can't win anything then?

[dimviii]

Jon ?@desboroughj
WRC GB: Kris Meeke tells me: "Would have been nice, but C'est la vie", as Citroen pick Robert Kubica for Wales rally GB, not him.

:(

[dimviii]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/110642

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Cant really complain about Kubica getting the drive.. he has shown real pace in the ERC & WRC2 this season.

Meeke has also shown pace but the accidents have cost him ...

[arko5]

Robert confirmed that he will start WRC car in GB :)
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid ... 418&type=1 (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=660954960590170&set=a.567946996557634.1073741828.555335824485418&type=1)

[Doon]

Any idea when the entry list is being published? Mark Higgins in an R5 Fiesta should be good. Any other decent WRC2 drivers confirmed? Will be interesting to see Mark's pace.

[306 Cosworth]

Going by rally guide 1, I'd have thought it would have been yesterday. It says, road book, route map and rally guide 2 was due to be published on 14th October.

[Bartolbia84]

WRC2

Al Kuwari (Fiesta RRC), Al Rajhi (Fiesta RRC), Bertelli (Fiesta R5) ;)

[Mintexmemory]

WRC2

Al Kuwari (Fiesta RRC), Al Rajhi (Fiesta RRC), Bertelli (Fiesta R5) ;)

Apart from the Higgins rumour, Cave in a Fiesta R5 is also circulating.

Four weeks to go and despite the championship being over I think it could be a great battle. Only one night in the car for me, I have a bed and a hot shower available for the rest of the event (rheumatism, arthritis etc!!)

[pantealex]

WRC2

Al Kuwari (Fiesta RRC), Al Rajhi (Fiesta RRC), Bertelli (Fiesta R5) ;)

at the moment it is
Kubica 126p (worst score 8p) (4 wins)
Al-Kuwari 118p (worst score 10p) (max possible 133p) (3wins)
They can count 6/7 first rallies they enter in WRC-2

That means: Kubica has to be 3rd to secure title in Catalonia (126+15-8=133p), less than that Al-Kuwari can win title (only by taking 1st in Wales)

[makinen_fan]

Guys there is another thread for Wales Rally GB, can a mod join them together?

[Brynmor Pierce]

WRC2

Al Kuwari (Fiesta RRC), Al Rajhi (Fiesta RRC), Bertelli (Fiesta R5) ;)

Apart from the Higgins rumour, Cave in a Fiesta R5 is also circulating.

Four weeks to go and despite the championship being over I think it could be a great battle. Only one night in the car for me, I have a bed and a hot shower available for the rest of the event (rheumatism, arthritis etc!!)

The Higgins and Cave stories are both fairly certain to happen...both R5's coming from the same team MSL, same team also running a focus wrc on the national event.

[makinen_fan]

The Higgins and Cave stories are both fairly certain to happen...both R5's coming from the same team MSL, same team also running a focus wrc on the national event.

Tom Cave has pretty much make it official in his tweet yesterday:
Just seen the car livery for @WalesRallyGB, looks mega! Can't wait to reveal it next week.. @Morrisoil @MSLMotorsport

[jbmarcus21]

Wales Rally GB Google Earth Map is out
http://planetemarcus.com/saison-wrc/gra ... agne-2013/ (http://planetemarcus.com/saison-wrc/grande-bretagne-2013/)

[Andre Oliveira]

Manufacters entries

https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/1374239_126803684156912_1586755507_n.png

[Hartusvuori]

Jukka Korhonen, who has BRC title to grab this weekend, will start in Wales in WRC3 with DS3 R3T.

[makinen_fan]

Confirmation from Tom Cave that he will be driving a Fiesta R5 by MSL
http://www.irallylive.com/ir_news.htm?00005408&10

Also complete entry list is up:
http://www.walesrallygb.com/documents/2 ... -10-13.pdf (http://www.walesrallygb.com/documents/2013_WRGB_Entry_List_18-10-13.pdf)

[Mintexmemory]

Confirmation from Tom Cave that he will be driving a Fiesta R5 by MSL
http://www.irallylive.com/ir_news.htm?00005408&10

Also complete entry list is up:
http://www.walesrallygb.com/documents/2 ... -10-13.pdf (http://www.walesrallygb.com/documents/2013_WRGB_Entry_List_18-10-13.pdf)

Disappointing WRC entry - Is the Solowow entry Kosciuszko's usual car re-branded? (2 Poles in WRC!)
However WRC 2 will be a good fight and Formula DS3 3RT has its best field of the year with Price and Korhonen showing what they can do against the regular WRC3 guys

[306 Cosworth]

I reckon Pryce will be the fastest DS3 on the Saturday stages. They're literally his back garden!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Guys there is another thread for Wales Rally GB, can a mod join them together?

May as well close my previous thread about the route...

The entry list just out today looks brilliant .. who's the Italian driving for M-Sport though ??

[focus206]

[quote="makinen_fan":3fspk61o]Guys there is another thread for Wales Rally GB, can a mod join them together?

May as well close my previous thread about the route...

The entry list just out today looks brilliant .. who's the Italian driving for M-Sport though ??[/quote:3fspk61o]
Where? I don't see Italians driving for M-Sport in the entry list...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Ha ha, sorry he's the co-driver for Al Attiyah... read it too quick ! :D

[Allyc85]

Thats a good looking entry list, a million times better than last year!

Current plan for the event is..

Gwydyr
Myherin
Chirk Castle (Maybe Gartheniog too)
Clocaenog

Really looking forward to it :D

[Mintexmemory]

Thats a good looking entry list, a million times better than last year!

Current plan for the event is..

Gwydyr
Myherin
Chirk Castle (Maybe Gartheniog too)
Clocaenog

Really looking forward to it :D

But not as good as 2011 - everyone's just relieved that we don't have only 30 cars again!
See you at Gwydyr and Myherin (if I don't get into Pike's Peak)-also doing qualifying (may be the only place you can see all the WRCs)
Machynlleth regroup then Dyfnant Sat (and Sun)
Gt Orme

[MrJan]

As per my post on the BRC section, rally fans I need your help/advice/common sense...not expecting a lot for the last one :p:

Just been looking at the stages again and thinking about going, but the layout really isn't made with spectators in mind. Was thinking of doing Thursday, Friday, Saturday but it's a PITA having to go up north for the Thursday, mid-Wales for the Friday then back north for the Saturday. I know this is a bit personal but I think it would be best to work in one direction and cut down on the road mileage if possible.

Anyway, if I do decide to go what are the stages I should be looking to get to, preferably to see some fast stuff and not be penned in like cattle? Might only do Thursday and Friday, that way I get to see shakedown and qualy, which should mean a good number of passes, and then some proper stuff on the Friday. Problem is that I'll be taking time off work anyway and £66 for 2 day passes is a f***ing lot of money to shell out, especially as I'm unlikely to get more than two chances to see the cars on the Friday. The other option is to just head for Hafren or Myherin and only pay £15 on the gate, risking the remote possibility that they might sell out.

Also is there enough car park space at the shakedown/qualy stage that I'd be able to kip in the car?

[go mads]

Mr Jan.
While the route isn't perfect it's cut down the amount of road miles considerably compared to last year.don't buy day passes can't see how they represent good value particulary if you stick to just forest stages, pay on gate they won't run out.you'll be able to sleep in car on any stage aslong as it opens up the night before (check website). Llandegla looks fast. Hafren or myherin your best bet on Friday sweet lamb is a bit Mickey mouse imo.

Hope this helps.

[AndyRAC]

I'm not bothering to order any tickets this year - just get there early and pay £15 on the gate. Whilst it's better than last year ( though that isn't saying much) it could still be better, especially the route. Still can't work out Dyfnant on two separate days......

However, enjoy, it, it's our only chance to see the top guys in the UK - there's no guarantee we'll always have a WRC round; especially if NZ, Sanremo, Corsica, et al can be dropped... :(

[big_sw2000]

As per my post on the BRC section, rally fans I need your help/advice/common sense...not expecting a lot for the last one :p:

Just been looking at the stages again and thinking about going, but the layout really isn't made with spectators in mind. Was thinking of doing Thursday, Friday, Saturday but it's a PITA having to go up north for the Thursday, mid-Wales for the Friday then back north for the Saturday. I know this is a bit personal but I think it would be best to work in one direction and cut down on the road mileage if possible.

Anyway, if I do decide to go what are the stages I should be looking to get to, preferably to see some fast stuff and not be penned in like cattle? Might only do Thursday and Friday, that way I get to see shakedown and qualy, which should mean a good number of passes, and then some proper stuff on the Friday. Problem is that I'll be taking time off work anyway and £66 for 2 day passes is a f***ing lot of money to shell out, especially as I'm unlikely to get more than two chances to see the cars on the Friday. The other option is to just head for Hafren or Myherin and only pay £15 on the gate, risking the remote possibility that they might sell out.

Also is there enough car park space at the shakedown/qualy stage that I'd be able to kip in the car?

Im more than likely out on my own. Planning to do Hafren sleep in car Thurseday night. I know some good quick section, away from the crowds. If your wanting to meet, some where. Then I don't mind showing you the stage.
Will be paying at the entrance.
Crappy video, I took from 2 years ago on Hafren
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rJfxn4 ... C1N60iRGOA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rJfxn4275A&feature=c4-overview&list=UUIft-v_pv5cxyC1N60iRGOA)

Bit of a Hafren stage spectating guide I was given for 2 years ago, worth a look.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/s9jgd2kpdh9hx ... uide..docx (https://www.dropbox.com/s/s9jgd2kpdh9hx9w/Hafren%20Stage%20guide..docx)

Steve

[DemetriW1]

Hi, new to the forum! Got a couple of Videos of Rally GB from the last 2 years:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADfGrOE ... YpAueeQxhA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADfGrOE8tTE&feature=c4-overview&list=UUYeiMQRTqng4mYpAueeQxhA)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkNTm3XfyoY

Pretty much walked all of the stages!

[Tom206wrc]

I reckon Pryce will be the fastest DS3 on the Saturday stages. They're literally his back garden!


Don't rule out Keith Cronin ;)

By the way, glad to see Bryan Bouffier back(he's strong on gravel)and Hans Weijs Jr :)

[Fast Eddie WRC]

I fancy the Qualifying Stage as its the nearest and then going the service park & ceremonial start ..

Is it worth going the QS and will I have to get there the night before ?

[Mintexmemory]

I fancy the Qualifying Stage as its the nearest and then going the service park & ceremonial start ..

Is it worth going the QS and will I have to get there the night before ?

It's very worth going to. 3-4 passes of all the WRC cars and then qualifying then all the WRC-2 shakedowns. Often the only chance you get to see some of the WRC cars (if Novikov's 1st stage off proves terminal and Solowow's Fiesta proves as reliable as PG's Germany example!)
2 hours before the start will be adequate but that is around 5 in the morning!!

[makinen_fan]

if Novikov's 1st stage off proves terminal

watch it with ur prediction P, you will cause complains again :D :D

[Mintexmemory]

if Novikov's 1st stage off proves terminal

watch it with ur prediction P, you will cause complains again :D :D

:erm: I studiously haven't made this the subject of general speculation or competition. I merely offer an opinion as to the ability of the driver of RU55ALM to stay within the prescribed boundaries of the Gwydyr stage and advise those who wish to see him in action to visit qualy. After all, Raikkonen wasn't alway guaranteed to get through that!!! ;)

[Fast Eddie WRC]

I fancy the Qualifying Stage as its the nearest and then going the service park & ceremonial start ..

Is it worth going the QS and will I have to get there the night before ?

It's very worth going to. 3-4 passes of all the WRC cars and then qualifying then all the WRC-2 shakedowns. Often the only chance you get to see some of the WRC cars (if Novikov's 1st stage off proves terminal and Solowow's Fiesta proves as reliable as PG's Germany example!)
2 hours before the start will be adequate but that is around 5 in the morning!!

Thats great advice, thanks.

I'm a bit rusty as I haven't been to a proper stage since before the event moved to S. Wales...

[Doon]

Shakedown starts at 1030, so get there at 0900 and you'll be fine. Although, i'm not sure where all the cars will park, Llandeglla's carpark is big for a Mountain Bike trail centre, but not sure it will house all the WRC fans that are expected??

[noel157]

Cave's R5:

http://distilleryimage9.ak.instagram.co ... 9871_8.jpg (http://distilleryimage9.ak.instagram.com/6e1db4f63b4e11e3881c22000a1f9871_8.jpg)

[Mintexmemory]

Shakedown starts at 1030, so get there at 0900 and you'll be fine. Although, i'm not sure where all the cars will park, Llandeglla's carpark is big for a Mountain Bike trail centre, but not sure it will house all the WRC fans that are expected??

Doon - That is so damn misleading I've half a mind to issue you with an infraction!

From the official itinerary times
0700 Free Practice STARTS (P1&P2) (aka SHAKEDOWN)
0900 Free Practice ENDS
1030 QUALIFYING STARTS - i.e. 1 run each WRC car
1330 Starting order selection
There are no P2 entries for WRGB so the 12 WRC competitors on strict rotation would get 5 runs each
But turn up at 9am and all you'll see is 12 runs (1 for each WRC competitor) 1030 - 1054

http://www.walesrallygb.com/documents/2 ... AL_web.pdf (http://www.walesrallygb.com/documents/2013_WRGB_RG1_FINAL_web.pdf)

Rally Guide 1 gives the arrangements for the other competitors:

11.30 - 12.30 Shakedown for P3 drivers - Llandegla (WRC-2 and WRC-3 entries) 1 minute intervals
12.30 - 13.30 Shakedown for all other drivers - Llandegla

So while Doon is correct that Llandegla probably has insufficient car park space- turn up at 0500 on a cold welsh morning and I'm sure you'll get in ok, if not I'll be pretty miffed as I'll be there then too!

[Hartusvuori]

There are no P2 entries for WRGB so the 12 WRC competitors on strict rotation would get 5 runs each

Is there an appendix released for WRGB free practise? Couldn't find one. Regulations allow only two passes in free practise.

[Mintexmemory]

There are no P2 entries for WRGB so the 12 WRC competitors on strict rotation would get 5 runs each

Is there an appendix released for WRGB free practise? Couldn't find one. Regulations allow only two passes in free practise.


http://www.walesrallygb.com/spectators/ ... ll_map.php (http://www.walesrallygb.com/spectators/latest_timetable_and_overall_map.php)

Is the link for the page where you have a further hot link to the route itinerary (RG2 Appendix). This only refers to P1&P2 free practice and then Qualifying. The other shakedown information is in the event schedule on p6 of RG1.
Thanks for the point about only 2 practice runs - I'd forgotten that, a shame since there is a 2hr window!
http://www.walesrallygb.com/spectators/ ... ndegla.php (http://www.walesrallygb.com/spectators/qualifying_llandegla.php) is the link to the Llandega page that confirms this and disturbingly says that Qualifying first car time is 1045! Still worth going imho as my point about seeing all competitors and the WRC2 competitors still applies.

[makinen_fan]

Thanks for the point about only 2 practice runs - I'd forgotten that, a shame since there is a 2hr window!
http://www.walesrallygb.com/spectators/ ... ndegla.php (http://www.walesrallygb.com/spectators/qualifying_llandegla.php) is the link to the Llandega page that confirms this and disturbingly says that Qualifying first car time is 1045!

Isn't there a rule that there is a minimum of two runs in the practice and then one run for qualifying? FIA does not set an upper limit I think. Probably whoever written the page refer to that minimum two runs. RG1 does not say anything, and we dont have access to RG2 to check properly, or do we ;)?

Anyway, shakedown is a must and definitely will be there. I was gutted last year that I had to miss it because of the poor schedule that left one day without any action... Also I like the early morning start, the first passes will likely to be run with lamppods on!!

[Hartusvuori]

Isn't there a rule that there is a minimum of two runs in the practice and then one run for qualifying? FIA does not set an upper limit I think.

It's limited to maximum of two runs in FIA WRC regulations:

30.2.2 P1 and P2 drivers may complete a maximum of 2 passages of practice within the timeframe specified by the organisers.

Glad that it looks now so that qualifications will be history after this season and proper shakedown returns to gravel events as well.

[makinen_fan]

It's limited to maximum of two runs in FIA WRC regulations:

30.2.2 P1 and P2 drivers may complete a maximum of 2 passages of practice within the timeframe specified by the organisers.


Oops, my bad. minimum passages is only for tarmac events (4 not 2). Thanks for pointing it out.

[Mintexmemory]

Thanks for the point about only 2 practice runs - I'd forgotten that, a shame since there is a 2hr window!
http://www.walesrallygb.com/spectators/ ... ndegla.php (http://www.walesrallygb.com/spectators/qualifying_llandegla.php) is the link to the Llandega page that confirms this and disturbingly says that Qualifying first car time is 1045!

Isn't there a rule that there is a minimum of two runs in the practice and then one run for qualifying? FIA does not set an upper limit I think. Probably whoever written the page refer to that minimum two runs. RG1 does not say anything, and we dont have access to RG2 to check properly, or do we ;)?

Anyway, shakedown is a must and definitely will be there. I was gutted last year that I had to miss it because of the poor schedule that left one day without any action... Also I like the early morning start, the first passes will likely to be run with lamppods on!!
Hartusvuori is correct, I was also getting mixed up with the tarmac rule where P1 & P2 MUST undertake a minimum of 4 runs for sponsorship and PR purposes (and I ended up photographing Al Qassimi on every run in Germany!) WRC regs also state gravel free practice should be held between 8 and 10 am so why WRGB is an hour earlier may just be for the teams to try out their pods.
Even though Sauertal wasn't reallly dark for the WRC crews it was by the time the lower numbers came through so I took the opportunity to practice my flash technique with the 35mm (first time) Hope to get similar to this at Llandegla and Gwydyr
http://www.flickr.com/photos/74mex/1031 ... 409018553/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/74mex/10317016446/in/set-72157636409018553/)

[makinen_fan]

Even though Sauertal wasn't reallly dark for the WRC crews it was by the time the lower numbers came through so I took the opportunity to practice my flash technique with the 35mm (first time) Hope to get similar to this at Llandegla and Gwydyr
http://www.flickr.com/photos/74mex/1031 ... 409018553/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/74mex/10317016446/in/set-72157636409018553/)

I will need to practice that too in the Shakedown, before the night stages! Haven't done before flash photography in rallies. I wonder what the results will be :rolleyes:

[Hartusvuori]

Minimum of 4 runs applies to all shakedown - for tarmac only it has been now lately as gravel events had to have the QS. It used to be always 4 runs minimun two seasons ago and from live spectator point of view shakedown is always much better of course. This year is Finland we saw about 40 WRC cars where as in 2010 it was around 60 if I remember right. Weird how they never got it right with QS. No live timing for starters! That's absurd.

I think the starting time for FP/QS can be negoatiated between event organiser and FIA. Normally it's the same, but again in Finland it was in the evening.

[Allyc85]

Thats a good looking entry list, a million times better than last year!

Current plan for the event is..

Gwydyr
Myherin
Chirk Castle (Maybe Gartheniog too)
Clocaenog

Really looking forward to it :D

But not as good as 2011 - everyone's just relieved that we don't have only 30 cars again!
See you at Gwydyr and Myherin (if I don't get into Pike's Peak)-also doing qualifying (may be the only place you can see all the WRCs)
Machynlleth regroup then Dyfnant Sat (and Sun)
Gt Orme

Yes will definitely meet up, same for any other forum members if they are about :)

[Jafry]

Few photos before start: http://www.rally-mania.cz/photogallery.php?id=1211

[dimviii]

Few photos before start: http://www.rally-mania.cz/photogallery.php?id=1211

wrong thread Jafry.

[Doon]

Shakedown starts at 1030, so get there at 0900 and you'll be fine. Although, i'm not sure where all the cars will park, Llandeglla's carpark is big for a Mountain Bike trail centre, but not sure it will house all the WRC fans that are expected??

Doon - That is so damn misleading I've half a mind to issue you with an infraction!

From the official itinerary times
0700 Free Practice STARTS (P1&P2) (aka SHAKEDOWN)
0900 Free Practice ENDS
1030 QUALIFYING STARTS - i.e. 1 run each WRC car
1330 Starting order selection
There are no P2 entries for WRGB so the 12 WRC competitors on strict rotation would get 5 runs each
But turn up at 9am and all you'll see is 12 runs (1 for each WRC competitor) 1030 - 1054

http://www.walesrallygb.com/documents/2 ... AL_web.pdf (http://www.walesrallygb.com/documents/2013_WRGB_RG1_FINAL_web.pdf)

Rally Guide 1 gives the arrangements for the other competitors:

11.30 - 12.30 Shakedown for P3 drivers - Llandegla (WRC-2 and WRC-3 entries) 1 minute intervals
12.30 - 13.30 Shakedown for all other drivers - Llandegla

So while Doon is correct that Llandegla probably has insufficient car park space- turn up at 0500 on a cold welsh morning and I'm sure you'll get in ok, if not I'll be pretty miffed as I'll be there then too!


oops...sorry about that!!

[Simorally86]

Hi guys!
For the first time, this year, i'm going to watch Wales Rally...i have a question : from the spectator guide, i saw there are praking close to the stages access...i have to go ONLY in these parking, or can i reach the stage in one of the many road access i found on Google Maps?
Thanks ;)

[makinen_fan]

From my experience in the last 5 Wales Rallies, every other road access is blocked. Also parking in the side of main roads is forbidden so that you can walk to the stages. Probably some people know some 'special' places to park and walk but don't just pick a road from google maps and hope it will lead you to the stage. If you reach the stage really early (more than 2 hours before first car) usually the marshals allow you to walk into the stage, but if the first safety/officials cars start to arrive they close everything. Also between passes they are usually much more relaxed.

[big_sw2000]

Most other road access will be blocked off. And you may end up with your car towed.
Park in the main carparks. £15 on the day, is not bad. You can always walk into the stage, away from the main spectator area.

Steve

[Mintexmemory]

Hi guys!
For the first time, this year, i'm going to watch Wales Rally...i have a question : from the spectator guide, i saw there are praking close to the stages access...i have to go ONLY in these parking, or can i reach the stage in one of the many road access i found on Google Maps?
Thanks ;)
Hi, I'm assuming you are travelling form outside the UK to attend WRGB. Just to give you some background on the answers you have received. There is no free spectating approved for the WRGB. Making it extremely difficult to park anywhere other than the official car parks is the way in which the organisers ensure the maximum number of paying customers. As makinen_fan correctly said Google maps are not a good idea for WRGB as the organisers do anticipate the most attractive roads and have them barricaded! Yes, once you've paid and you are early enough it is possible to find interesting points throughout the stage away from the designated spectator zones

[Simorally86]

Many thanks guys!
I was asking that, not to avoid payng tiket, also because i'll probably have a Team Pass, but just because i think in the official car park there will be many many spectators...so probably some Km to walk to reach the stage...especially on Saturday, i was thinking to move from Gartheiniog, after 10/12 cars, to Dyfnant...do you think is it possible?
In other events, like Sardegna, Acropolis, Portugal, these displacements are common and easy to do...but in Wales i don't know it :(
Anyway, big thanks to all, i'll choose the "official" car parks ;)

[makinen_fan]

First or second pass of Gartheiniog? I will give it approx. 60-70 tranfer in total, so it should be time, even if you consider 2 Garth and then Dynant. But be prepared sometimes you can park too far away and there is a lot of walking.
I am planing to do Garth 1, refuel (if time allows), Dyfi 2, Chirk castle and then back to service park. Usually there are only few people changing stages within the day, so roads are not packed with cars. Also car parks are well maintained by marshals so there is no chance that someone blocks your way out of the stage.

[Simorally86]

First or second pass of Gartheiniog? I will give it approx. 60-70 tranfer in total, so it should be time, even if you consider 2 Garth and then Dynant. But be prepared sometimes you can park too far away and there is a lot of walking.
I am planing to do Garth 1, refuel (if time allows), Dyfi 2, Chirk castle and then back to service park. Usually there are only few people changing stages within the day, so roads are not packed with cars. Also car parks are well maintained by marshals so there is no chance that someone blocks your way out of the stage.
The second pass....do you think that's impossible?
I don't understand why on the timetable, between the two stage of Chirk, there are only 12 min....how is it possible? :confused:
Ok, so you advise me to see the two morning stages, skip Dyfnant, and watch the two run on Chirk Castle?

[satnav]

Its in the regs how Chirk is running ;

12.7 Start Order and Starting Intervals – SS 15/16 Chirk Castle and SS 20/21 Kinmel Park
At these venues crews will attempt each stage twice. The following procedure will apply;
Crews starting their second run of the stage will start between crews starting their first run.
All crews who have been allocated a start time interval of 2 minutes at the start of the rally will have a minimum interval of 1 minute between their start time and the start time of any
crew attempting their first run.
All other crews will have a minimum interval of 30 seconds between their start time and the
start time of any crews attempting their first run.
The normal electronic start procedure will be used.

Hope this makes it a bit clearer

[makinen_fan]

The second pass....do you think that's impossible?
Ok, so you advise me to see the two morning stages, skip Dyfnant, and watch the two run on Chirk Castle?

Actually it is doable if you leave early on, after 10-15 cars. Probably this is what I will do now that I am reviewing it again.
There is 2h15m to change from car park I to L. Back in 2011 I did the change from car park J (very close to car park I) to Dyfnant in under 1h without any rush, so I think it will be fine.

[litifeta]

I was looking forward to GB, but I am giving it a miss. 10 years of domination by a single driver and nothing in sight to indicate things will get back to the days when we were all on the edge of our seats and winning was unpredictable.

[big_sw2000]

I was looking forward to GB, but I am giving it a miss. 10 years of domination by a single driver and nothing in sight to indicate things will get back to the days when we were all on the edge of our seats and winning was unpredictable.

What diffrance dose that make, to being out in the forest watching the fastest rally drivers in the world. Ok we know Ogier will win, but it will still be fantastic watching him, in the flesh doing it.

Steve

[makinen_fan]

Tom Cave's livery for Wales
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[306 Cosworth]

I was looking forward to GB, but I am giving it a miss. 10 years of domination by a single driver and nothing in sight to indicate things will get back to the days when we were all on the edge of our seats and winning was unpredictable.

What diffrance dose that make, to being out in the forest watching the fastest rally drivers in the world. Ok we know Ogier will win, but it will still be fantastic watching him, in the flesh doing it.

Steve

I reckon Latvala will make it 3 in a row.

[big_sw2000]

[quote=litifeta]I was looking forward to GB, but I am giving it a miss. 10 years of domination by a single driver and nothing in sight to indicate things will get back to the days when we were all on the edge of our seats and winning was unpredictable.

What diffrance dose that make, to being out in the forest watching the fastest rally drivers in the world. Ok we know Ogier will win, but it will still be fantastic watching him, in the flesh doing it.

Steve

I reckon Latvala will make it 3 in a row.[/quote:3uca8axg]

Latvala, Neuvill. With Ogier 3rd

Steve

[Simorally86]

The second pass....do you think that's impossible?
Ok, so you advise me to see the two morning stages, skip Dyfnant, and watch the two run on Chirk Castle?

Actually it is doable if you leave early on, after 10-15 cars. Probably this is what I will do now that I am reviewing it again.
There is 2h15m to change from car park I to L. Back in 2011 I did the change from car park J (very close to car park I) to Dyfnant in under 1h without any rush, so I think it will be fine.
Great! It's exactely what i was planning for Saturday! :D
Because i don't know if it's better see just 3 stages, but "real" stage, or the two in the morning, and then the two pass on Chirk...i'm afraid to find thousands of spectatores on the last one...

[Mintexmemory]

Latvala, Neuvill. With Ogier 3rd

Steve
:smash: No Steve that's not going to happen (btw thanks for the Trophybloo spotter printout)
Neuville has only done a couple of UK events if I recall correctly and one of those last year was the September running of WRGB which was not particularly representative of what he'll find in 3 weeks time.
Ogier and Latvala will be the 1-2 (in no particular order) but if Mikko and Mads are going to recover their mojos it has to be in Wales where they are so much more experienced than TN. Mikkelsen also goes well west of the border so TN may do well to better his 6 points of last year. In which case 2nd and 2 power stage points would be enough for JML

[big_sw2000]

Latvala, Neuvill. With Ogier 3rd

Steve
:smash: No Steve that's not going to happen (btw thanks for the Trophybloo spotter printout)
Neuville has only done a couple of UK events if I recall correctly and one of those last year was the September running of WRGB which was not particularly representative of what he'll find in 3 weeks time.
Ogier and Latvala will be the 1-2 (in no particular order) but if Mikko and Mads are going to recover their mojos it has to be in Wales where they are so much more experienced than TN. Mikkelsen also goes well west of the border so TN may do well to better his 6 points of last year. In which case 2nd and 2 power stage points would be enough for JML

Not a problem Mr Trophybloo lol.

It could be one of the best rallies of the season. Mads, and Miko, as you say, always go well in GB. The VW drivers will be there, but Neuville will be somewhere near. Going to be someone special I think. As long as Seb 2 don't run away with everything.

I cant wait for my traditional weekend out in the trees, mud rain and fog. Its real rallying lol.

STeve

[Ejm100]

Hi
Is there any official stage maps available such as the ones given to marshals available to download

[Talbot]

I was looking forward to GB, but I am giving it a miss. 10 years of domination by a single driver and nothing in sight to indicate things will get back to the days when we were all on the edge of our seats and winning was unpredictable.

What diffrance dose that make, to being out in the forest watching the fastest rally drivers in the world. Ok we know Ogier will win, but it will still be fantastic watching him, in the flesh doing it.

Steve
Indeed and with both titles sewn up, it'll be a good excuse for plenty of 'balls out' driving.
:D

[Brynmor Pierce]

[quote="big_sw2000":ckg8w9kt]

Latvala, Neuvill. With Ogier 3rd

Steve
:smash: No Steve that's not going to happen (btw thanks for the Trophybloo spotter printout)
Neuville has only done a couple of UK events if I recall correctly and one of those last year was the September running of WRGB which was not particularly representative of what he'll find in 3 weeks time.
Ogier and Latvala will be the 1-2 (in no particular order) but if Mikko and Mads are going to recover their mojos it has to be in Wales where they are so much more experienced than TN. Mikkelsen also goes well west of the border so TN may do well to better his 6 points of last year. In which case 2nd and 2 power stage points would be enough for JML

Not a problem Mr Trophybloo lol.

It could be one of the best rallies of the season. Mads, and Miko, as you say, always go well in GB. The VW drivers will be there, but Neuville will be somewhere near. Going to be someone special I think. As long as Seb 2 don't run away with everything.

I cant wait for my traditional weekend out in the trees, mud rain and fog. Its real rallying lol.

STeve[/quote:ckg8w9kt]

And night before the event Mads and Mikko will be both appearing at our forum....i'll be honest I can't wait for the week...such a huge event for us in North Wales

[makinen_fan]

I think this was not posted before in the test thread, nice video to get us in the mood, less than 10 days to go!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IB4aYsqHyw

[Fast Eddie WRC]

I see the weather is turning nasty ready for WRGB... some things never change !! :rolleyes:

http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-w ... gs-6271538 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/north-wales-weather-flood-warnings-6271538)

[makinen_fan]

No Al-Kuwari in Wales:


So Rally Spain was our last Rally this season and our season ended by Spain .. Our participation in Rally GB and Dubai is canceled ..
The cancelation is due to some meetings and appointments in the same time of these Rallies to discuss the budget situation for next season ..
We would like to apologize from all the friends who are waiting for us in GB or Dubai and we promise them to come stronger next season ..

[arko5]

Kubica will start with new co-driver Michele Ferrara

[dimviii]

Kubica will start with new co-driver Michele Ferrara

why?

[arko5]

I could not find any reason in the net. Maybe Baran will start with So?owow (they started together before Kubica start ralling)

[kober]

Kubica will start with new co-driver Michele Ferrara
Any clue what was behind Kubica's decision?

Also, it looks like Maciej Baran will be reading notes for Solowow, i.e. exactly what he was doing for ten years or so.

[satnav]

Folks I've got a room booked in the Premier Inn in Oswestry for 3 nights , Thursday , Friday and Saturday and due to a change of plan I no longer require it so if anyone is interested drop me a PM.

[Mintexmemory]

Like Satnav I've got a spare room - Saturday Night, Halkyn Travelodge (near Deeside). I've decided my one 'old school RAC'' night will be at Dyfnant to save time and fuel as I'm going to be there at the end of Saturday. PM me if interested.

[RS]

Kubica will start with new co-driver Michele Ferrara

Ufff, what is the real reason for this?

Surely when you are changing car you want everything else to be consistent.

[Mirek]

As some pointed out the reason can be that Baran will co-drive Solowow there (as he did for years).

[RS]

As some pointed out the reason can be that Baran will co-drive Solowow there (as he did for years).

I read that but I still find it strange that Baran wouldn't want to be with Kubica on his step up to a WRCar and vice versa.

Especially to swap him for someone relatively unknown and I presume inexperienced with top drivers and cars.

[Franky]

As some pointed out the reason can be that Baran will co-drive Solowow there (as he did for years).
...
Especially to swap him for someone relatively unknown and I presume inexperienced with top drivers and cars.

You're talking about Solowow?

[Mirek]

I think he meant Michele Ferrara.

[RS]

Mirek is correct.. I have heard of Solowow :)

[Juha_Koo]

Now some rumours of Giovanni Bernacchini taking the right seat for next year?

[thuGG]

My translation of Maciek Baran:


The passing season was very intense, we have many months of hard work behind us of which the chapionchip is main prize. The challenges ahead of us demand even more work and commitment, but this year in my personal life some changes occured that prevent me to commit to team work in extend that is needed. I have to make room for someone else, who will devote himself 100% to the challange. I would like to thank the whole team, everyone who was involved in achieveing this years goals, our partners: Lotos Group, Citroen, Azoty Group and especially to Robert for beautiful rally season and WRC2 World Champion title.

[wurc]

My translation of Maciek Baran:
(...)but this year in my personal life some changes occured that prevent me to commit to team work in extend that is needed.(...)


since few weeks Maciek Baran is a father :)
I think Kubica is so demanding for a co-driver that Maciek wouldn't last that, he would a guest in his home, anyway that's promising for Kubica's changes to be a WRC champion next year :cool:

[Mintexmemory]

My translation of Maciek Baran:
(...)but this year in my personal life some changes occured that prevent me to commit to team work in extend that is needed.(...)


since few weeks Maciek Baran is a father :)
I think Kubica is so demanding for a co-driver that Maciek wouldn't last that, he would a guest in his home, anyway that's promising for Kubica's changes to be a WRC champion next year :cool:

I don't think so - Unless that 4th VW is available and even then Ogier has the experience too. (not to mention JML)

[bluuford]

My translation of Maciek Baran:
(...)but this year in my personal life some changes occured that prevent me to commit to team work in extend that is needed.(...)


since few weeks Maciek Baran is a father :)
I think Kubica is so demanding for a co-driver that Maciek wouldn't last that, he would a guest in his home, anyway that's promising for Kubica's changes to be a WRC champion next year :cool:

Look at Kubica-s 2013 calendar.. GB is his 15th event in 2013 + quite a lot of testing. It puts him among the drivers with the most intense calendar in 2013 (Lappi also has its 15th event in 2013).If he wants to step up to WRC..that is even more work.

[Mintexmemory]

I get the feeling that less non-Brits are going to be coming to Wales this year as the WRC and WRC2 Championships are decided already and recession is biting lots of people. Anyone out on the rallly look out for my Saab 93 with the 2013 Rallye Deutschland sticker on the rear window, say hello if you see me.

[MartijnS]

We are skipping it this year indeed. Not really recession related, although it's an expensive rally to visit.
We'll be back in the future ;)

[Rallying UK]

WALES RALLY GB: Who do you think will win Wales Rally GB 2013?

Vote here, vote now!: http://poll.fm/4hsi1

[danon]

the fastest one

[dimviii]

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[Rallying UK]

WALES RALLY GB QUIZ: Have a go at this Wales Rally GB quiz...

There are no prizes, just a real smug feeling if you get them all right!

Good luck!

http://rallyinguk.polldaddy.com/s/wales-rally-gb-quiz

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Wasnt ITV4 (uk) supposed to show nightly highlights of WRGB ?

I cant find any listed...

S4C has them but only in Welsh.

[Rallying UK]

Wasnt ITV4 (uk) supposed to show nightly highlights of WRGB ?

I cant find any listed...

S4C has them but only in Welsh.

Wales Rally GB 2013 full highlights are on ITV4 on Monday, 18th November at 6:00pm (UK only)

There are also TWO highlight programmes of the previous day's action on:

Saturday, 16th November at 11:05am
Sunday, 17th November at 11:30am

[Rallying UK]

WALES RALLY GB: Who do you think will win WRC2 on Wales Rally GB 2013?

VOTE NOW! http://poll.fm/4ht6r

[Franky]

WALES RALLY GB: Who do you think will win WRC2 on Wales Rally GB 2013?

VOTE NOW! http://poll.fm/4ht6r

Could you stop it already?

[noel157]

Yes, stop spamming the forum please. Mods?

[noel157]

In more interesting (and real) news, Kubica testing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dL9B7be7O3g

Bit wild as usual, should be good entertainment. Not sure how long he'll last though.

From WRC.com:

“I know many people would like to see me go very fast in GB, but I think it will be very difficult. It will be impossible for me to be on pace or close enough to the top five or six, otherwise – with all the other drivers’ experience, something will be wrong in the system,” .

“I cannot be 20 years circuit driver, then jump into the stage at the end of March and in six months be able to fight with the top guys in the world, where they are the best. We have to stay calm and I am staying very calm,”

[Rallying UK]

KUBICA: Another video clip from Robert Kubica’s PET for Wales Rally GB 2013 today:

http://youtu.be/RAjSp6EB_bA

[danon]

WEATHER POLL: Do I Need an Umbrella? -> http://poll.fm/4htwu

Crazy Weather Alert - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3FdmjQFyFc

http://www.rainornot.com/images/topleft.gif

[Toyoda]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0_b94K1O40

owch!

[makinen_fan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0_b94K1O40

owch!

Not from Wales tests though!

[wwbroe]

Wasn't that crash in Poland? :confused:

[bluuford]

Wasn't that crash in Poland? :confused:
Yes, that was pre Poland test crash.

Looks like the weather will me nice. Nothing too drastic is expected..might be even dusty if lucky.

[big_sw2000]

Wasn't that crash in Poland? :confused:
Yes, that was pre Poland test crash.

Looks like the weather will me nice. Nothing too drastic is expected..might be even dusty if lucky.

Doubtful with the dust lol. Not with the rain today, and overnight tonight. And I think Wednesday night is wet.

But weather forecast dose look good for the event

Steve

[Mintexmemory]

Wasn't that crash in Poland? :confused:
Yes, that was pre Poland test crash.

Looks like the weather will me nice. Nothing too drastic is expected..might be even dusty if lucky.

Doubtful with the dust lol. Not with the rain today, and overnight tonight. And I think Wednesday night is wet.

But weather forecast dose look good for the event

Steve

Yep - rain over the UK for the past 2 weeks has ensured a nice slippy surface on most forest tracks, leaf fall has peaked this week too.
Can't wait to get on the road on Wednesday night. Anyone near Corris / Machynlleth on Friday evening fancy a drink?

[AndyRAC]

Rain, sounds familiar - thought there was frost yesterday in Kielder for the R.A.C Rally....

[dimviii]

Neuville has the contract with Hyundai for 3 years,he wants his first win this year from his interviews,will he manage to keep it inside the road while pushing for victory?,will he be lucky again as at previous rallies? Feel free to discuss.

ps Latvala the other competitor for the 2nd place at championship is always fast at Wales.

http://www.rtbf.be/sport/moteurs/rallye ... id=8133047 (http://www.rtbf.be/sport/moteurs/rallye/wrc/detail_neuville-veut-terminer-en-beaute?id=8133047)

[big_sw2000]

Neuville has the contract with Hyundai for 3 years,he wants his first win this year from his interviews,will he manage to keep it inside the road while pushing for victory?,will he be lucky again as at previous rallies? Feel free to discuss.

ps Latvala the other competitor for the 2nd place at championship is always fast at Wales.

http://www.rtbf.be/sport/moteurs/rallye ... id=8133047 (http://www.rtbf.be/sport/moteurs/rallye/wrc/detail_neuville-veut-terminer-en-beaute?id=8133047)

I think a wet cold Welsh forest will be too much for him, hes not really experienced enough to win GB.

Steve

[A FONDO]

No doubt Neuville is much more talented than Latvala but there's a huge difference in their experience. TN drove it only last year and it was dry then, while JM has driven it 10 times. I am afraid TN wouldn't be able to keep the points difference from JM. But will be happy if this turns wrong.

[Mintexmemory]

No doubt Neuville is much more talented than Latvala but there's a huge difference in their experience. TN drove it only last year and it was dry then, while JM has driven it 10 times. I am afraid TN wouldn't be able to keep the points difference from JM. But will be happy if this turns wrong.

In fact WRGB 12 was only Neuville's 3rd rally in the UK - A retired and a 6th place on the 2 Rally Scotland IRC events he contested.
He has never experienced the autumn roads in Wales, if he manages a top 5 it will be a big achievement. Latvala, Hirvonen, Ostberg and Mikkelsen all perform well in Wales and all have UK experience in addition to the WRC / IRC. Add Ogier to the list (who won't be driving into the wall this time) and the best I can see for Neuville is to be fighting Novikov and Sordo for 6th - which will give JML 2nd place in the championship (even if he has to win the PS to do it -Clocaenog could be the place to be on Sunday morning, shame I'll be at Dyfnant :( )

WRT the weather, yes the NE of Britain was clear of cloud last weekend which is why the morning temperatures were low enough for frost as Andy said - Wales is cloudy but dry during this week, I'd be very surprised if we get the sheet ice that has occured in the past. I also doubt that there will be dust at any point

UPDATE - latest UK Met Office forecast for Wales:
During the weekend, cloud, outbreaks of rain and strong winds across north and northwestern parts will move erratically southeastwards and should eventually clear the far southeast during Sunday night. Through the first part of next week, there is a trend for most parts to become colder and more unsettled, with spells of rain interspersed with brighter and showery periods. It is likely to be often windy, and there is also an increasing risk of snow, mainly over the hills in the north. Overnight frosts are likely to become more widespread than recently. Thereafter, conditions look set to remain rather unsettled and on the chilly side, with spells of rain, perhaps turning wintry over northern hills. The best of any settled and drier weather most likely in the south So looks like thermals and waterproofs are going to be needed!!!

[pettersolberg29]

Anyone got any stage maps for Dyfi? Someone was kind enough to pass on some PDFs a couple of years back :)

[dimviii]

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set ... 348&type=1 (https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.217884391718547.1073741840.138073056366348&type=1)

[satnav]

Anyone got any stage maps for Dyfi? Someone was kind enough to pass on some PDFs a couple of years back :)
Tried to send you a PM but unsure if you got it .

[pettersolberg29]

Anyone got any stage maps for Dyfi? Someone was kind enough to pass on some PDFs a couple of years back :)
Tried to send you a PM but unsure if you got it .

All sorted now - thanks guys for the help!

[rage82]

Drivers who are doing only recce - Kris Meeke, Arman Smailov, Pontus Tidemand.

[Karukera]

http://www.rtbf.be/sport/moteurs/rallye ... id=8133047 (http://www.rtbf.be/sport/moteurs/rallye/wrc/detail_neuville-veut-terminer-en-beaute?id=8133047)
An the last opportunity for a Ford to win a rally.
Zero Ford win in a championship didn't happen since 2005.
2014 Citroën's fate.

[makinen_fan]

Nasser is out of Wales Rally GB
http://www.qatarmsportwrt.com/news-at-q ... ly-gb.html (http://www.qatarmsportwrt.com/news-at-qatar-m-sport/al-attiyah-withdraws-from-wales-rally-gb.html)

[Doon]

Any chance of someone else using Nassers car? Or is it to late to change driver?

[Mintexmemory]

Any chance of someone else using Nassers car? Or is it to late to change driver?
Only if they use Bernacchini as co-driver. Not likely !
So 2 minutes less for the WRC guys to pass

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BY3jFazIQAA7u0a.jpg:large

[dimviii]

Mikkelsens polo
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[306 Cosworth]

Well the good news is it's looking nice and muddy out in the stages! Should provide some good sideways action!

[Mintexmemory]

Well the good news is it's looking nice and muddy out in the stages! Should provide some good sideways action!

Fantastic :) Go JML. Are you going to be in Llandegla Luke? 9 hrs of work to get through then
it's hit the old road to the Peoples Republic.

[306 Cosworth]

Yes I'm in llandegla. Heading for Wales very shortly. Hopefully get some good video over the 4 days. Can't wait to get into Hafren again, I love that stage!

[bluuford]

Tonight and tomorrow morning is expected a little more rain.. with strong wind afterwards. Then it gets drier. So, night stages should be very muddy indeed. I am still confidents that at some point (later in the rally) we can see some dust in some open sections :-)

[navi]

Any pictures from the recce?

[306 Cosworth]

Tonight and tomorrow morning is expected a little more rain.. with strong wind afterwards. Then it gets drier. So, night stages should be very muddy indeed. I am still confidents that at some point (later in the rally) we can see some dust in some open sections :-)

Not a chance of seeing any dust. Can almost guarantee it. Why do you want to see dust anyway?

[big_sw2000]

Tonight and tomorrow morning is expected a little more rain.. with strong wind afterwards. Then it gets drier. So, night stages should be very muddy indeed. I am still confidents that at some point (later in the rally) we can see some dust in some open sections :-)
Mate as just text me from the recce. Standing water and very muddy in places. With more rain to come.
We don't dry out that quick in Wales lol.

There wont be any dust

Steve

[bluuford]

It would be exotic :-) GB and dust you know, some dust and lot of mud! Ofcourse, the wont be any in the forest. But it can happen in the open fields ;-)

[big_sw2000]

It would be exotic :-) GB and dust you know, some dust and lot of mud! Ofcourse, the wont be any in the forest. But it can happen in the open fields ;-)
Remember one year when it was in September. We had dust. It was all wrong lol

Steve

[dimviii]

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[irish_tiger]

It would be exotic :-) GB and dust you know, some dust and lot of mud! Ofcourse, the wont be any in the forest. But it can happen in the open fields ;-)
Remember one year when it was in September. We had dust. It was all wrong lol

Steve

2005 ?

[COD]

It would be exotic :-) GB and dust you know, some dust and lot of mud! Ofcourse, the wont be any in the forest. But it can happen in the open fields ;-)
Remember one year when it was in September. We had dust. It was all wrong lol

Steve

There was more of rain and mud than dust even that year. And it was 2004

[OldF]

At least JML and Ketomaa likes more these north Wales stages than the south ones.

Jari Ketomaa: Very good route. I like these north Wales stages. They have more character compared to the ones in south. In my opinion these stages has good rhythm.

http://translate.google.com/translate?s ... ta-reittia (http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=fi&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=fi&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mtv.fi%2Fsport%2Fralli%2Fuutise t.shtml%2F2013%2F11%2F1831668%2Fketomaa-hehkuttaa-walesin-rallin-uutta-reittia)


JML: Here in north the roads have more turns. Here are less straights than in the south. I like these stages.

http://translate.google.com/translate?s ... tarallista (http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=fi&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=fi&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mtv.fi%2Fsport%2Fralli%2Fuutise t.shtml%2F2013%2F11%2F1831646%2Flatvala-hakee-hattutemppua-walesin-mutarallista)

[big_sw2000]

What ever year this was

http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg116/big_sw2000/Rally%20Genral/th_RACRally2005037-1.jpg (http://s246.photobucket.com/user/big_sw2000/media/Rally%20Genral/RACRally2005037-1.jpg.html)

http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg116/big_sw2000/Rally%20Genral/th_RACRally2005056-1.jpg (http://s246.photobucket.com/user/big_sw2000/media/Rally%20Genral/RACRally2005056-1.jpg.html)

Steve

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Service park tonight... everything is set to go... off there in the morning, cant wait :bounce:

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set ... 023&type=3 (https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.535700713188969.1073741843.105010216258023&type=3)

More pics at : https://www.facebook.com/walesrallygb

[dimviii]

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Yazeed testing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukApITrIljU

[dimviii]

Prokop test
http://www.ewrc.cz/ewrc/fotogalery.php? ... tograf=218 (http://www.ewrc.cz/ewrc/fotogalery.php?events=13826&fotograf=218)

[Nornbugger]

Really looking forward to this rally, the R5 Fiesta battle should be great too, a little bit of me wishes I was going to it this year...

[Mintexmemory]

In my N Wales hotel now, heavy rain so nice and slippy tomorrow- go JML

[danon]

:D - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RCXNt2GVlk

http://also.kottke.org/misc/images/frog-with-an-umbrella.jpg

[Brynmor Pierce]

Practice is being held in driving rain/hail and strong winds....hopefully it clears for qualifying!!

Good evening at the forum last night, Howard Davies did his best to get Mikko and Mads to swap team jackets but they were playing their cards close to their chests !!

[thuGG]

Free Practice times #WRC #WRGB
Ogier 1:57.9
JML 1:58.4 ( 2 runs )
Ostberg 1:59.2
Mikko 2:00.0
Neuville 2:00.4
Sordo 2:01.0
Kubica 2:01.6
Prokop 2:02.6

[rage82]

WRGB Free practice after 2 runs: Ogier, Neuville, Novikov, Østberg, Sordo, Kubica, Latvala, Hirvonen, Mikkelsen, Prokop, Solowow
Kubica's time is 1.58.4 same as Latvalla's and faster than Mikko. Let's see what he can do in the qualification

[euskalteam]

Has anyone heard anything about a possible penalty to Sordo? :(

[rage82]

Has anyone heard anything about a possible penalty to Sordo? :(
Nothing for the moment. What kind of penalty and for what reasons?

[euskalteam]

Administrative matter!

Don't know more for the moment... :confused:

[rage82]

Now I see this from paddocnews twitter: Rumours that Sordo will get a 5 minute penalty, "administrative matter". via @F_Gustavsson
Edit: Now confirmed: 5 min. Dani Sordo penalty. Nomination failed chassis used" via @fernandoalbes

[thuGG]

2nd run:
Ogier 1:54.9
Neuville 1:56.9
Novikov 1:57.2
Østberg 1:57.8
Sordo 1:58.1
Kubica 1:58.4
Latvala 1:58.4
Hirvonen 1:58.7
Mikkelsen 2:00.4
Prokop 2:01.7
Solowow 2:06.7

[euskalteam]

Each team can use 8 different chassis in a year. Sordo's car is the 9th one.... big failure from Citroën Sport.... :eek:

[AndyRAC]

Citroen Sport have completely lost the plot......I think we know were their priorities lie.

[litifeta]

Ogier 1:52?

[rage82]

QS results:
Ogier - 1:52.708
Neuville - 1:52.778
Latvalla - 1:54.8
Hirvonen - 1:55.6
Sordo - 1:56.1
Mads - 1:55.4
Novikov - 1:54.597
Prokop - 1:58.8
Mikkelsen - 1:56.4
Kubica - 1:56.0

[litifeta]

Sordo 1:56.191. Why bother I guess he thinks

[wwbroe]

Where do you guys see the times for QS?

[litifeta]

https://twitter.com/search?q=%23WRC&src=hash&f=realtime

[wwbroe]

https://twitter.com/search?q=%23WRC&src=hash&f=realtime

Thanks for the link ;)

[litifeta]

Dumb question I know, but where was Kubica? oh. 1:55

[litifeta]

might get interesting yet

JML 1:549
KUBICA 1:56.1

[litifeta]

https://twitter.com/fernandoalbes/statu ... 48/photo/1 (https://twitter.com/fernandoalbes/status/400944654482690048/photo/1) Sordo infringement

[PLuto]

1. Sébastien Ogier-Julien Ingrassia F VW Polo R WRC 1:52.708
2. Thierry Neuville-Nicolas Gilsoul B Ford Fiesta RS WRC +0.070
3. Evgeny Novikov-Ilka Minor RUS/A Ford Fiesta RS WRC +1.889
4. Jari-Matti Latvala-Miikka Anttila FIN VW Polo R WRC +2.168
5. Mads Ostberg-Jonas Andersson N/S Ford Fiesta RS WRC +2.759
6. Mikko Hirvonen-Jarmo Lehtinen FIN Citroën DS3 WRC +2.979
7. Robert Kubica-Michele Ferrara PL/I Citroën DS3 WRC +3.381
8. Dani Sordo-Carlos del Barrio E Citroën DS3 WRC +3.483
9. Andreas Mikkelsen-Mikko Markkula N/FIN VW Polo R WRC +3.732
10. Martin Prokop-Michal Ernst CZ Ford Fiesta RS WRC +6.183
11. Michal Solowow-Chris Patterson PL/GB Ford Fiesta RS WRC +12.115

full in table (http://www.autosport.cz/clanek.php?cl=15831)

[rage82]

Short video of R. Kubica from shakedown via ?@planetemarcus: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPd_uMNh8Cs

[Fast Eddie WRC]

At Service Park... I spoke to Mikko & Mads... both very relaxed and said QS was good and are looking forward to the rally.

The sun is out now as well !! :)

[dimviii]

.@SebOgier chooses to start 2nd on the road. @thierryneuville 3rd and @JariMattiWRC 1st #WRGB #WRC

[dimviii]

Novikov was out of road at tests according to borl
http://www.best-of-rallylive.com/Actual ... e-la-pluie (http://www.best-of-rallylive.com/Actualites/Et-tombe-la-pluie)

[dimviii]

start order
Latvala
Ogier
Neuville
Novikov
Ostberg
Hirvonen
Kubica
Sordo
Mikkelsen
Prokop
Solowow

Ogier choosed 2nd on road...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Massive cheer at the Service Park when JML chose to go first on the road tonight !

[Gregor-y]

Each team can use 8 different chassis in a year. Sordo's car is the 9th one.... big failure from Citroën Sport.... :eek:
What's next, filling the gas tank with water?

[dimviii]

i am faster than Jafry!
http://www.rally-mania.cz/photogallery.php?id=1216

[PLuto]

Start list to first leg - http://rally-base.com/2013/wales-rally- ... TypeId=397 (http://rally-base.com/2013/wales-rally-great-britain-2013/start-list/?startTimeTypeId=397)

[pettersolberg29]

Is the start list for the stages tomorrow too, or will tonight's result create the running order for tomorrow's stages?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Nice pic from QS: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BZCZ_6VCAAAHw1_.jpg:large

Cars now arriving at Llandudno... not exactly the Cote d'Azure ... ;)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BZC87WPCIAAjmQ4.jpg:large

[dimviii]

http://i56.servimg.com/u/f56/17/56/16/73/img_0015.jpg
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[dimviii]

are we ready???????

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trhuz4QVG2I

[dimviii]

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[euskalteam]

Is the start list for the stages tomorrow too, or will tonight's result create the running order for tomorrow's stages?

Same order for today's 3 stages and tomorrow all day. ;)

[stefanvv]

Yeah, it'll be proper Welsh Rally, let's go:
http://www.volkswagen-motorsport.com/fileadmin/user_upload/Fans_Friends/1%20WRC/Rallye/Grossbritannien/Berichterstattung/2013/20131114/Galerie_des_Tages/886x498px_vw-20131114-3320.jpg
http://www.volkswagen-motorsport.com/fileadmin/user_upload/Fans_Friends/1%20WRC/Rallye/Grossbritannien/Berichterstattung/2013/20131114/Galerie_des_Tages/886x498px_vw-20131114-3329.jpg
http://www.volkswagen-motorsport.com/fileadmin/user_upload/Fans_Friends/1%20WRC/Rallye/Grossbritannien/Berichterstattung/2013/20131114/Galerie_des_Tages/886x498px_vw-20131114-3323.jpg
http://www.volkswagen-motorsport.com/fileadmin/user_upload/Fans_Friends/1%20WRC/Rallye/Grossbritannien/Berichterstattung/2013/20131114/Galerie_des_Tages/886x498px_vw-20131114-3315.jpg
http://www.volkswagen-motorsport.com/fileadmin/user_upload/Fans_Friends/1%20WRC/Rallye/Grossbritannien/Berichterstattung/2013/20131114/Galerie_des_Tages/886x498px_vw-20131114-3317.jpg

[wwbroe]

So, first stage should be live in about 15 mins, is that correct?

[jonkka]

Should be

[dimviii]

yep

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RS5Z_xsVc8k

[wwbroe]

Ogier fastest trough, Novikov loosing allready some time at first split.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Supporting Mads Ostberg this weekend - such a nice guy meeting him today...

Go Mads !! :bounce:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BZDWUaRIAAElq6c.jpg:large

[satukata]

go Mikko.. last time citroen.. Next year Ford :)

[mousti]

Evgeny and Mads slower with a margin than Neuville..

[wwbroe]

Supporting Mads Ostberg this weekend - such a nice guy meeting him today...

Go Mads !! :bounce:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BZDWUaRIAAElq6c.jpg:large

He is loosing allready quite a lot of time compared to frontrunners.

[jonkka]

Doesn't look too good for Mikko either

[satukata]

mads had gearbox problems

[jonkka]

What's Mikko's excuse then?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

It would be a massive boost to Mikko to get a good result here... and a great way to leave Citroen and return to Ford.

And another nice guy today !

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BZDW2teIIAAwRiy.jpg:large

[wwbroe]

No second split for Robert Kubica ???

[satukata]

What's Mikko's excuse then?
mikko 4th fastest. ok start with no testing for this rally..

[satukata]

No second split for Robert Kubica ???
all ok. ..

[stefanvv]

Whoa, Mikkelsen :)

[jonkka]

mikko 4th fastest. ok start with no testing for this rally..

Except that he's way slower than top three.

[satukata]

:devil: good start for kubica.. or poor start for sordo.. same time

[dimviii]

Kubica same time as Sordo....

[satukata]

mikko 4th fastest. ok start with no testing for this rally..

Except that he's way slower than top three.
1s down/km... but much faster than sordo..

[jonkka]

Sordo's got nothing to achieve with that five min penalty.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Great start by Andreas... the 3rd of my favourites after meeting him at service ... :)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BZDXhUMIEAAyW0S.jpg:large

[Mirek]

Sordo's got nothing to achieve with that five min penalty.

We have seen some podiums with 5+ minutes in the end...

Anyway quite good start for Kubica considering he has different co-driver and Italian pacenotes which he didn't use since the starts with Clio S1600 three years back I think. He is also first time in Wales and the darkness is all about pacenotes and confidence.

[satukata]

who will be fastest WRC2 driver?

[jonkka]

We have seen some podiums with 5+ minutes in the end...

True but judging from Sordo's pace, he's already given up.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

who will be fastest WRC2 driver?

Kubica ahead of Evans on SS1 ...

[Mirek]

who will be fastest WRC2 driver?

Kubica ahead of Evans on SS1 ...

Kubica drives WRC.

[N.O.T]

who will be fastest WRC2 driver?

Kubica ahead of Evans on SS1 ...

evans r5 kubica wrc

[Mirek]

Some serious incident but hopefully all is ok.

35 - Al Rajhi Yazeed / Orr Michael: I have arrived to place where WRC car in front of me went off the road. Spectators were trying to put him back, but didnt see me and I have hit one of them. I have stopped and check if he is ok.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Kubica ahead of Evans on SS1 ...

Kubica drives WRC.[/quote]

I knew that ! :o

[jarauto]

who will be fastest WRC2 driver?
Higgins

[wwbroe]

No split for JML on second stage, again split time problem or something else going on?

[jonkka]

Split problem, he's at the end

[rallyfun]

When are they going to get rid off this embarrassment called S1T?

[jonkka]

What?

[stefanvv]

When are they going to get rid off this embarrassment called S1T?
You mean SIT?

[wwbroe]

Novikov loosing massive time again on this second stage, he has problem with the dark?

[rallyfun]

When are they going to get rid off this embarrassment called S1T?
You mean SIT?
Of course

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Ketomaa was going fastest in WRC2 at last split on SS1...

[dimviii]

?etomaa seems faster ar wrc2

[jonkka]

?etomaa seems faster ar wrc2

Out of curiosity, what's story of your nick or what does it mean?

[stefanvv]

?etomaa seems faster ar wrc2
That's a sirprise, Wales is home for Evans

[kober]

Novikov loosing massive time again on this second stage, he has problem with the dark?
He's stuck in the road mode.

[dimviii]

THU. 14.11.2013 / 20H53
[SS2] Thierry Neuville (Ford) 5:20.9 "Its not perfect, I hit a rock, I have to check the car. Everything is running but I have a problem with the gear lever."

[dimviii]

[SS1] Michal Solowow (Ford) "We went slightly to the ditch and then Yazeed came and hit us in the rear."

[dimviii]

?etomaa seems faster ar wrc2

Out of curiosity, what's story of your nick or what does it mean?

dim= dimitris my first name
viii= my evo viii :D
come on, not so difficult!

[dimviii]

Sordo now 2,3 slower from Kubica

[kober]

Looks like the top three is on another level, out of reach for the rest.

[jonkka]

dim= dimitris my first name
viii= my evo viii :D
come on, not so difficult!

No, it is not - when known. For some reason it's always connected with "dimwitted" in my mind, but that's not a reference to you. :)

[stefanvv]

When are they going to get rid off this embarrassment called S1T?
You mean SIT?
Of course
It's not very obvious, S1T was the previous timing company which was working better.

[kober]

Chardonnet a minute down on Cronin after SS1.

[jonkka]

Long wait until next one...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Some WRC2 places for SS1 - Evans 11th, Higgins 13th, Barrable 14th, Cronin 16th, Cave 23rd ...

[Mirek]

Bouffier and Cronin in 0,1 sec on SS1 and both 1 minute faster than Gilbert and Chardonnet! Korhonen another minute down... on 7 km :eek:

Nice fight also with R5 cars between Ketomaa, Evans, Brynildsen and Higgins.

[stefanvv]

That's interesting:
(3 - Sordo Dani / Del Barrio Carlos): I don't feel good in the night, but I do everything I can do. Really soft with the car, the lights go up and down all the time. I do not feel lot of confidence with the lights, I do not see very well the road.

[thuGG]

Some bits from qualy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trhuz4QVG2I#t=108

[dimviii]

dim= dimitris my first name
viii= my evo viii :D
come on, not so difficult!

No, it is not - when known. For some reason it's always connected with "dimwitted" in my mind, but that's not a reference to you. :)

ok,now your turn to explain the nick.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Evans now ahead of Ketomaa ! :bounce:

[Mirek]

Bouffier and Cronin in 0,1 sec on SS1 and both 1 minute faster than Gilbert and Chardonnet! Korhonen another minute down... on 7 km :eek:

According to Pluto somebody hit the photocell at the finish line and times may be wrong.