RB7 versus RB9

[Brown, Jon Brow]

Which one do you think is the more dominant car for its season?

The RB7 was almost unbeatable in qualifying but the McLarens always gave Vettel a race.

The RB9 was reined in by the Pirelli tyres at the start of the season but since the construction changed it has looked unbeatable.

[rjbetty]

I think the RB9 tbh. I never remember the RB7 doing that Singapore stuff. It's more impressive that so many of Red Bull's items were banned last year, or they might be even quicker (gulp).

[zako85]

I suspect the RB9 is more dominant than RB7. RB9's dominance was masked in the beginng of season by the high degradation of tires. Besides, In 2011, Vettel won 11 out of 19 GPs. This year, year he is pretty much on the way to at least match that.

[555-04Q2]

RB9 for sure. Most dominant car in F1 since the 2004 Ferrari.

[dj_bytedisaster]

RB9 for sure. Most dominant car in F1 since the 2004 Ferrari.

I wouldn't get that far. The 2004 Ferrari scored a lot of double podiums, much more than the RB9.

[Ranger]

It took a while but the RB9 is looking much better than the RB7 did.

[555-04Q2]

[quote="555-04Q2":16s8gioh]RB9 for sure. Most dominant car in F1 since the 2004 Ferrari.

I wouldn't get that far. The 2004 Ferrari scored a lot of double podiums, much more than the RB9.[/quote:16s8gioh]

Not saying it's as good as the 2004 Ferrari was, I don't think we will ever see an F1 car dominate like that again. But the RB9 is definitely by far the most dominant car we have seen in F1 since that year.

[dj_bytedisaster]

[quote="dj_bytedisaster":1c7byit5][quote="555-04Q2":1c7byit5]RB9 for sure. Most dominant car in F1 since the 2004 Ferrari.

I wouldn't get that far. The 2004 Ferrari scored a lot of double podiums, much more than the RB9.[/quote:1c7byit5]

Not saying it's as good as the 2004 Ferrari was, I don't think we will ever see an F1 car dominate like that again. But the RB9 is definitely by far the most dominant car we have seen in F1 since that year.[/quote:1c7byit5]

Early 2009 Brawn? Heck, even Button could win in that thing...

[555-04Q2]

Early 2009 Brawn? Heck, even Button could win in that thing...

Yeah it as good in the first half of the season, but after mid way the opposition were killing them. The 2009 Brawn was a great car early on, but it never really dominated the whole 2009 season.

[dj_bytedisaster]

[quote="dj_bytedisaster":21mve5uu]Early 2009 Brawn? Heck, even Button could win in that thing...

Yeah it as good in the first half of the season, but after mid way the opposition were killing them. The 2009 Brawn was a great car early on, but it never really dominated the whole 2009 season.[/quote:21mve5uu]

Not the whole season, but it was so ridiculously dominant early on, they could afford to fade into obscurity in the second half and still win.

[555-04Q2]

[quote="555-04Q2":2tzignzo][quote="dj_bytedisaster":2tzignzo]Early 2009 Brawn? Heck, even Button could win in that thing...

Yeah it as good in the first half of the season, but after mid way the opposition were killing them. The 2009 Brawn was a great car early on, but it never really dominated the whole 2009 season.[/quote:2tzignzo]

Not the whole season, but it was so ridiculously dominant early on, they could afford to fade into obscurity in the second half and still win.[/quote:2tzignzo]

True, and it gave Button a WDC which otherwise he would never have won :)

[Mia 01]

The RB7 with its double diffusor (triple soma could say) was a very good car, much moore dominant then this years RB9.

The difference is that the other teams are weaker this year!!!

[zako85]

Early 2009 Brawn? Heck, even Button could win in that thing...


Bad joke IMO. Button won in many different cars, before and after 2009.

[zako85]

The RB7 with its double diffusor (triple soma could say) was a very good car, much moore dominant then this years RB9.

The difference is that the other teams are weaker this year!!!

I think RB9 is a very dominant car. Their problem in the beginning of the year was that the tires that were holding the car back.

[airshifter]

Early 2009 Brawn? Heck, even Button could win in that thing...


Bad joke IMO. Button won in many different cars, before and after 2009.

I wouldn't say many.... unless you consider 2 many.

I think the point was that Brawn, similar to the RB now, was the dominant car of the season.

[zako85]

That's Honda RA106, Brawn BGP 001, McLaren MP4-25, McLaren MP4-26, and McLaren MP4-27.

[555-04Q2]

Early 2009 Brawn? Heck, even Button could win in that thing...


Bad joke IMO. Button won in many different cars, before and after 2009.

I'm trying to figure out which "many" cars you are referring to, but can't!!!!! Pre Brawn GP in 2009, Button was an also ran, and he's back to an also ran again.

[zako85]

You see the list above. Five.

[555-04Q2]

Only 2 cars besides Brawn, Honda and McLaren ;)

Otherwise the likes of Schumacher won with over 20 cars when he only really won with 2, Benneton & Ferrari:)

[Mia 01]

As I said, RB7 (2011) was much stronger over the whole year.

[zako85]

Only 2 cars besides Brawn, Honda and McLaren ;)


Technically they were different cars. Big changes from year to a year. After all, we're discussing different chassis here. Button won in five different cars, in five years, he beat Vettel in 2009, and his own teammate in 3 out of 5 years, including Hamilton in 2011... so his WDC was far from a fluke IMO.

[steveaki13]

This years Car will be. Especially if Vettel wins the last 3 races.

If they had a handle on the early tyres they would have won 15 odd races this season.

[555-04Q2]

I think it's safe to say the RB9 is the most dominant car RBR have built now. Wonder if they ( in that I mean Vettel) can take the last 2 races now?

[steveaki13]

easily

[555-04Q2]

The 2013 RBR reminds me of the 2004 Ferrari, except the dominance has been at the end of the season vs Ferrari at the start in 2004 :)

[555-04Q2]

P.S. Isn't it amazing how a decade after the FIA tried to prevent dominance like this, we are right back where we started!

[zako85]

I do wonder if RedBull RB9 dominance is partly a result of the other teams writing off this season. RB7 was quite dominant, but even in 2011 the McLaren car was considered to be roughly equal by the end of season. This year, McLaren was MIA and no other chassis can now possibly be considered equal. Ferrari stopped 2013 chassis development after Spa, and Mercedes probably doesn't invest much in this year's car any more. It seems like only the chaotic Lotus team is still working to take the fight to Red Bull.

[555-04Q2]

Could be zako85 :) We'll never know for sure, but what we do know if Vettel can pretty much cruise at the moment such is his dominance over every other team, as well as his teammate in an identical car :shock:

[jens]

In 2011 Vettel collected 392 points. At the moment he has 347, but if Vettel continues the winning streak, he will have 397 and would beat the 2011 score.

Since the Belgian GP Red Bull RB9 has been better than the RB7. At times the advantage has been huge. In Abu Dhabi Vettel could easily open up half a minute lead by mid-race. Difference is that in 2013 the start into the season has been slower and it is taking a perfect and dominant run at the end of the year to get close to the 2011 points score.

[555-04Q2]

Who would be brave enough to bet against 2 more wins for Seb and surpassing his 2011 points tally? Not me that's for sure! An accident or reliability issue looks like the only way that would transpire.

[steveaki13]

P.S. Isn't it amazing how a decade after the FIA tried to prevent dominance like this, we are right back where we started!


Time for a massive format change then. ;)

[steveaki13]

Am I alone in a slightly perverse way, wanting to see Seb go flat out all race and see how far ahead he could get.

[555-04Q2]

P.S. Isn't it amazing how a decade after the FIA tried to prevent dominance like this, we are right back where we started!


Time for a massive format change then. ;)

Maybe they will change something next year :p: ;)

[555-04Q2]

Am I alone in a slightly perverse way, wanting to see Seb go flat out all race and see how far ahead he could get.

No, I have also wanted him to do just that, in fact I was willing it on Sunday. Then some guy called a race engineer comes over the radio and says exciting stuff like "ok Seb conserve the tyres and the car now", bloody spoil sport :p: