70th Rally Poland (Rajd Polski)

[kober]

Ten days to go, and the itinerary has been updated with the live-transmission information: http://www.rajdpolski.pl/pliki/pliki/zawodnicy/2013/harmonogram/70-RP-Harmonogram-Draft-EN--02-09-2013--v-11-Eurosport-Live.pdf. I'm not able to find the entry list, but Kubica, Kosciuszko, Kopecky and Breen have all been confirmed.

[br21]

Entry list should be published tomorrow during organizers press conference.
Besides those who you already wrote we can expect regular polish champs drivers plus Solowow (Fiesta RRC), Holowczyc (Fiesta RRC), Staniszewski (Fiesta RRC), Bouffier (207 S2k), Grzyb maybe, some other Czech drivers (Tlustak?, Orsak?), Kangur with Fiesta R5 was expected to come but now I'm not sure if he has car after his accident during Kurzeme, plus some other surely.
Polski is round of Lithuanian Champs also, current entries you can find here:
http://www.lasf.lt/files/2013%20reglamentai/Lenkija/Dalyviai_Mikolaikos_02.pdf
unfortunately not a lot, but for sure some quality drivers and it will be nice to see them here.

[tolis]

Serderidis in Fiesta R5 will also be there!

[cosmin_sb]

Only Simone Tempestini will be there. Marco will compete in the round 7th of Romanian championship which is in the same time with Poland Rally.

[Andre Oliveira]

So no Delecour at Poland.

[kober]

Breen will be co-driven by Lara Vanneste.

[br21]

Looks like it will be one of the best entry lists in few last years

[cosmin_sb]

So no Delecour at Poland.
it is 100% sure.

[RS]

Breen will be co-driven by Lara Vanneste.

Because Nagle is with Mikkelsen or because Vanneste is paying?

[MartijnS]

Because of Nagle is with Mikkelsen.

[RS]

Quite a random choice though.. I know she has co-driven for some experienced drivers but I thought they might have chosen someone closer to home!

[Jarek Z]

Molly Taylor will come as well. She decided to compete in Rally Poland instead of Australia.

[Bartek]

http://www.rajdpolski.pl/pliki/pliki/zawodnicy/2013/Polski-lista-ALL.pdf Entry list ;)

[Mirek]

GREAT list!

[sindroms]

http://www.rajdpolski.pl/pliki/pliki/zawodnicy/2013/Polski-lista-ALL.pdf Entry list ;)

Nice to see Stephan Lefebvre back in action.

[br21]

GREAT list!

Yes, quite cool!
Who's coming?

[Jeppe]

http://www.rajdpolski.pl/pliki/pliki/zawodnicy/2013/Polski-lista-ALL.pdf Entry list ;)

Finally Kajto with competitive car. Great!!!

..and nice to see Risto Immonen again with C2R2 eventhough he hasn´t done anything since Sumava..

[Raven]

I must say I'm impressed. Great entry list!
But why the hell we have so hopeless roads what makes this rally so far away? :-(

[Jarek Z]

Not a bad entry list. There are some rumors that it contains mistakes though. Some people say that Hołek, Staniszewski and Sołowow will drive RRC cars and not S2000.

[Mirek]

RRC is technically still S2000. RRC is only marketing name of M-sport but the car is homologated as S2000. It's messy but technically correct to call both 1.6T and 2.0NA just S2000.

[skory]

Hołek has confirmed on his FB page that he will drive Fiesta RRC from M-Sport.

[kober]

The file had been updated and moved to http://www.rajdpolski.pl/pliki/pliki/wyniki/2013/polski-ALL.pdf.

Fabia S2000:
- Kopecky
- Tlustak

207 S2000:
- Breen
- Bouffier
- Ancian
- Rzeznik
- Kuchar

DS3 RRC:
- Kubica

Fiesta R5:
- Kajetanowicz
- Kosciuszko
- Kangur
- Serderidis

Fiesta RRC:
- Solowow
- Holowczyc

Fiesta S2000:
- Avci
- Grzyb
- Oleksowicz
- Staniszewski
- Gryazin

[Jarek Z]

Finally Kajto with competitive car. Great!!!


Let's hear what Kajto himself has to say about it:

It's as intriguing as a first kiss stolen from a girl in the kindergarten times. Today, although the challenge is much more ambitious, deep inside me I'm excited again. :)

http://www.kajto.pl/news/b_559_0.jpg

[br21]

The file had been updated and moved to http://www.rajdpolski.pl/pliki/pliki/wyniki/2013/polski-ALL.pdf.

Fabia S2000:
- Kopecky
- Tlustak

207 S2000:
- Breen
- Bouffier
- Ancian
- Rzeznik
- Kuchar

DS3 RRC:
- Kubica

Fiesta R5:
- Kajetanowicz
- Kosciuszko
- Kangur
- Serderidis

Fiesta RRC:
- Solowow
- Holowczyc

Fiesta S2000:
- Avci
- Grzyb
- Oleksowicz
- Staniszewski
- Gryazin

Staniszewski for sure with RRC also, he tested this car today. Kosciuszko I think also with RRC, but we will see tomorrow, when he will do testing.
Grzyb with Fabia, from JM I think, Kajetanowicz Fiesta R5 also from JM.
Oleksowicz and Gryazin "typical" Fiestas S2000, not sure about Avci, but I think also naturally aspirated S2k.
Koltun after huge damage to his Fiesta S2k will go with Subaru (as with his RRC Solowow will drive).
Holowczyc said he wanted R5, but such car was unavailable. He said rumors say R5 is almost 1s/km faster than RRC but RRC should be more reliable, etc. But that's his opinion...

[Bartek]

Staniszewski for sure with RRC also, he tested this car today. Kosciuszko I think also with RRC, but we will see tomorrow, when he will do testing.
Grzyb with Fabia, from JM I think, Kajetanowicz Fiesta R5 also from JM.
Oleksowicz and Gryazin "typical" Fiestas S2000, not sure about Avci, but I think also naturally aspirated S2k.
Koltun after huge damage to his Fiesta S2k will go with Subaru (as with his RRC Solowow will drive).
Holowczyc said he wanted R5, but such car was unavailable. He said rumors say R5 is almost 1s/km faster than RRC but RRC should be more reliable, etc. But that's his opinion...

Kościuch confirmed R5.

[mousti]

Kościuch confirmed R5.

Yep indeed.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/182296_724243410926126_117032281_n.jpg

[WRC3]

Entry List:
http://www.rajdpolski.pl/pliki/pliki/wyniki/2013/polski-ALL.pdf

[Rasantes]

Kosciuzsko testing today.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BTbH_JECUAATEka.jpg:large

And Katjo too.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=634016723298266

[Rasantes]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NpmvP-l8is

[br21]

Today during prologue (tarmac on the stadium) of short, test rally Kosciuszko had some problems during first run and didn't start in second. Not sure what it was. He is expected to start tomorrow. Staniszewski showed quite good performance, but we will see tomorrow in the forest.

[br21]

Rajd Warminski, short rally with 60ss kms, was held today near Rajd Polski area. Kosciuszko (R5) won with Staniszewski (RRC) by 7 seconds. No other important drivers participated.

[jolle1982]

Thats the reason for the win of him!!!! ;-)

Gesendet von meinem HTC One mini mit Tapatalk 2

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Breen will be co-driven by Lara Vanneste.

I hope he can still concentrate on his driving... ;)

http://www.autonews-magazine.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/lara-vanneste.jpg

[Andre Oliveira]

Rajd Warminski, short rally with 60ss kms, was held today near Rajd Polski area. Kosciuszko (R5) won with Staniszewski (RRC) by 7 seconds. No other important drivers participated.

Where i can find photos?


Rajd Warminski 2013 - results eWRC-results.com (http://ewrc-results.com/final.php?e=12555&t=Rajd-Warminski-2013)

https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/1236710_388499407945974_1117505780_n.png

[Rallying UK]

RALLY POLAND: Here you can find an interactive map of all Special Stages on @rajdpolski 2013. Have a look around!:

Rally Poland 2013: Interactive Stage Map - ThingLink (http://bit.ly/14ADTAh)

[RS]

So next week we are going to find out whether Kubica is Poland's fastest rally driver already. I think yes...

[Bartek]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/546962_585255881513402_1209739378_n.jpg

From today, Ho?ek with problems

[Jarek Z]

You forgot to mention that those problems were caused by Holek himself :)

Even though he's a living legend, I don't think Holek will fight for top places in this rally. Holek's livery will look like this:

http://www.autoklub.pl/media/201309/65265-fiesta.jpg

[Rasantes]

Today testing Robert Kubica.

https://sphotos-b-vie.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/1236538_585559688149688_293992644_n.jpg

[RS]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/109803

[rallye-vid]

http://foto.rallyonline.pl/news2013/13tetsy01kubica_crash-640.jpg

Go, go, go mechanics! Fix it, fix it, fix it! :bounce:

[PLuto]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oLnXNGA5Lc

[stefanvv]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oLnXNGA5Lc
Ouch, lost it. That's almost funny with that cows

[dimviii]

https://sphotos-a-cdg.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/1236403_10151702259368952_1204963399_n.jpg

[dimviii]

a lot of damage.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BTz6KfyIgAAuBCf.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BT0GztnIQAAhssN.jpg:large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BTz5tnOCUAErF7u.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BTz3VkOCEAAi_H-.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BTz5R4wCUAAa7XW.jpg

[bluuford]

Do they have spare car? This car does not look too happy.. Very high speed crash. Good they are both OK.

[NxOxT]

Do they have spare car? This car does not look too happy.. Very high speed crash. Good they are both OK.

can they use a spare car ??? is it allowed ???

[Kielder]

Do they have spare car? This car does not look too happy.. Very high speed crash. Good they are both OK.

Julian Porter has confirmed on Twitter that the car will be ready for (being crashed again on ;) ) the rally.
P.S. Go Robert!

[bluuford]

Do they have spare car? This car does not look too happy.. Very high speed crash. Good they are both OK.

can they use a spare car ??? is it allowed ???
It is allowed until scrutineering...

[Raven]

How many crashes more???

[Rasantes]

Video of Kubica test

http://youtu.be/VLMFzgGMEDY

[Jarek Z]

Tlustak and Orsak didn't come to Poland:
http://www.fiaerc.com/news/detail/id/1489

[Jarek Z]

Guys, if you need to refuel your car, you better do it on one of the petrol stations of Lotos. This week, because of Rally Poland, you can win a Kubica puzzle :D
http://www.lotos.pl/1357/dla_kierowcy/p ... jach_lotos (http://www.lotos.pl/1357/dla_kierowcy/promocje/zestaw_kibica_na_stacjach_lotos)

http://www.lotos.pl/upload/repository/file_zestaw_kibica_8983f2.png

[uranium]

What about cows and shepherd? Are they ok?

[thuGG]

They're terrified, especially cows ;)

[Bartek]

https://scontent-a-vie.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/1209068_586417358063921_704250697_n.jpg

From stage, difficult conditions, like in Rally GB :)

[thuGG]

Some more photos:
https://sphotos-b-cdg.xx.fbcdn.net/hpho ... 0487_n.jpg (https://sphotos-b-cdg.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/1208914_10153275204825192_603670487_n.jpg)
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-rKdx ... szczyk.jpg (https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-rKdxgXQMp1c/UjGe6WDqRDI/AAAAAAAAAlo/FGATFDLOetI/w640-h480-no/staszczyk.jpg)
https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/ ... 2723_n.jpg (https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/q75/s720x720/1185628_10151601381531960_2137572723_n.jpg)

[Mirek]

That looks like some stages could be canceled. For 2WD it looks undrivable.

[Jarek Z]

It doesn't look good. Actually I'm quite surprised. It doesn't rain so heavy in southern Poland and I had no idea it looks so bad in the north.

But I have just had a look at the weather forecast for the next days and it isn't that bad. It's going to be cloudy on Thursday and Friday, but during the rally, on Saturday and Sunday, it will be 15-18C and sunny.

[Raven]

Wow :eek: Rather unusual conditions on gravel Rally Poland. I hope till saturday it will dry up.

[Jarek Z]

Hmm... I guess everything depends on the weather forecast service that you use. Another one says that the whole weekend will be rainy :(

Do you remember the good old times when Rally Poland was held in June?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Some tarmac rally !! :laugh:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BT-E0TnCQAAtSoz.jpg

[pantealex]

Printsport truck is heading from Finland to Poland, Fatih Kara will drive their Fiesta S2000

[cosmin_sb]

no pickem for this rally? I didn’t find it

[Mirek]

Some tarmac rally !! :laugh:

Rally Poland has been a gravel rally for number of years since it moved from the southern asphalt roads (i don't know when it was but maybe 2006 or something?).

[uranium]

Tractor tires allowed? Or snow with studs? ;)

[Bartek]

Friend who is in Miko?ajki told me that also teams have problem with their service places... Very bad...

Look here: https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/ ... 3873_o.jpg (https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/1275617_570109619713721_1867803873_o.jpg)

Citroen Service

https://sphotos-a-vie.xx.fbcdn.net/hpho ... 5755_n.jpg (https://sphotos-a-vie.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc1/1001124_591522384239382_1812855755_n.jpg)

Prediction for tomorrow are how to say it - not good....

[Kielder]

:(

http://i44.tinypic.com/x4hvf8.jpg

[tolis]

Printsport truck is heading from Finland to Poland, Fatih Kara will drive their Fiesta S2000
Is it a late entry?

[mousti]

https://sphotos-b-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hpho ... 5155_n.jpg (https://sphotos-b-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/1174663_1414107125479428_2145895155_n.jpg)

Will be interesting how it goes.

[Mirek]

The ERC is doomed to terrible weather in 2013 (except Romania there was at least one leg with rain, fog etc. in every event). This looks like a disaster in the making. Let's hope for miracle.

[dimviii]

. This looks like a disaster in the making. Let's hope for miracle.
+1
these roads cant dry in 2 days,even with sunshine and 40 celsious.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Craig Breen (@Craig_Breen)

Most difficult conditions I have ever seen in my life today, the weather has turned agains @FIAERC once again! Big mess for the organisers!

[Bartek]

I think rally will be cancelded, this is conditions for Dakar not for 2WD.

[uranium]

http://www.rajdpolski.pl/,c,22,Pogoda-u ... zawodnikom (http://www.rajdpolski.pl/,c,22,Pogoda-utrudnia-zycie-zawodnikom)
Important thing from the article - organizers shifted recce of SS Ta?ty to Friday morning.

[uranium]

Missed english page:
http://www.rajdpolski.pl/en/,c,50,Weath ... ompetitors (http://www.rajdpolski.pl/en/,c,50,Weather-makes-life-difficult-for-the-competitors)

[Jacek]

Rally Poland has been a gravel rally for number of years since it moved from the southern asphalt roads (i don't know when it was but maybe 2006 or something?).
Close, since 2005 it has moved to Miko?ajki and Masuria region. Before that for 30 years it took place in Lower Silesia, just for two years it took place in Krakow.

How many crashes more???
Crashes are sign of faster progress :D

[noel157]

A man with a tractor and rope could make a fortune over the weekend.................:)

Seriously, there's going to be a lot of stranded/stuck cars and crews over the weekend with conditions like that, even in the service park. But, I suppose rallying is meant to be challenging...............will rescue crews (even 4WD) be able to access the stages?

[Kielder]

Missed english page:
http://www.rajdpolski.pl/en/,c,50,Weath ... ompetitors (http://www.rajdpolski.pl/en/,c,50,Weather-makes-life-difficult-for-the-competitors)

It seems that some drivers haven't completed their recces (look Kangur's pics below). I remember when Kubica asked in Açores for an extra pass due to the heavy fog during the official recce. Really bad luck for Polish organisation, not the best way to be shown as a future WRC event :( .

http://i42.tinypic.com/2resbv8.jpg

http://i39.tinypic.com/2ajck6.jpg

[Tom206wrc]

Oh gosh the current road conditions ;(

[garais22]

PHOTO: Rain and mud paralyze recce of Poland ERC rally
http://www.go4speed.lv/lv/mustsee/autos ... -ar-trasi/ (http://www.go4speed.lv/lv/mustsee/autosports-pasaule/174-foto-lietus-un-dubli-paralize-sportistu-iepazisanos-ar-trasi/)

[Kielder]

Part of SS7 Mragowo (video recce): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7A_7ZD4lHQ#t=24

[Kielder]

Kubica is testing again... :erm:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BUB3W_CCQAAOrPm.jpg

[Bartek]

http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/9939/byfh.jpg

From service park

[Tom206wrc]

Awful :(

[Mirek]

According to a friend SS 1/4 is shortened from 14,5 to 6,5 km. SS2/5 from 17,5 to 12 km. SS3/7 unchanged.

[liposh]

Anybody wondering why service park is on grass meadow? Mud on special stages is bad luck with weather but mud in service park is stupidity of organizers. ...And these people wants to be in WRC next year.

[dimviii]

Anybody wondering why service park is on grass meadow? Mud on special stages is bad luck with weather but mud in service park is stupidity of organizers. ...And these people wants to be in WRC next year.

+1

so if next year have some rain this will be a wrc rally we have to watch and sell the tv rights?

[Bartek]

Anybody wondering why service park is on grass meadow? Mud on special stages is bad luck with weather but mud in service park is stupidity of organizers. ...And these people wants to be in WRC next year.

This is Poland, if money is okay rest isn't important....

My friends are in Miko?ajki and they told me that if anything will happen ambulance must be maybe 4x4 with big tyres...

Let's hope weather will be better

[liposh]

Who listen to the rally radio? Shakedown times at the moment: 1. Kopecký 1:51:3 , 2. Kubica 1:51:7,3. Staniszewski 1:52:0 according to my knowledge of polish language :D ???Right???

[Mirek]

Is shakedown held on the SSS? If so it has no meaning for the rally...

[RS]

My friends are in Miko?ajki and they told me that if anything will happen ambulance must be maybe 4x4 with big tyres...


Where I live the fast response ambulances are Octavia Scouts, but they are not big enough to hold all necessary equipment I think.

[pantealex]

Printsport truck is heading from Finland to Poland, Fatih Kara will drive their Fiesta S2000
Is it a late entry?

Sorry, I got wrong name.

Driver is actually Yagiz Avci

My bad :(

[Jarek Z]

:eek: --- LAST MINUTE INFO --- :colour:

Guys, I have just received a last minute info from the rally. Finally we have some positive news. One person managed to drive through the whole Baranowo stage, from start to finish, with a civil road car! Amazing, isn't it? :D

:colour: --- LAST MINUTE INFO --- :eek:

[dimviii]

last minute info!!!
the guy who passed the stage!! :colour: :D
https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTiDZtZIkyWDNb1AzepYIs31C7RxsE9r Is7hK6m2JeoRGb7ADhA

[Kalm]

we need that LIKE button back, asap ! :D

[uranium]

we need that LIKE button back, asap ! :D

Like ;)

[thuGG]

Source Miko?aj Sokó?:

Results from test/training runs of qualifying stage (2.5 km):

1. Kubica/Baran (DS3 RRC) 1.50,0
2. Ko?ciuszko/Szczepaniak (Fiesta R5) +1,1
3. Bouffier/Panseri (207 S2000) +1,6
4. So?owow/Rozwadowski (Fiesta RRC) +1,9
5. Oleksowicz/Ku?nierz (Fiesta S2000) +2,2
6. Staniszewski/Drahan (Fiesta S2000) +2,5
7. Kuchar/Dymurski (207 S2000) +2,6
7. Grzyb/Siatkowski (Fabia S2000) +2,6
9. Ancian/de Turckheim (207 S2000) +2,7
10. Kajetanowicz/Baran (Fiesta R5) +2,9
11. Kopecky/Dresler (Fabia S2000) +3,0
12. Breen/Vanneste (207 S2000) +3,1
13. Ho?owczyc/Kurzeja (Fiesta RRC) +4,0

[noel157]

Interview with Breen and Lara talking about Nagle replacement, conditions on stages etc:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDF204dJAxk

Breen jokes (I think it was a joking....) about Nagle leaving . Lara sounds happy.

[Jarek Z]

we need that LIKE button back, asap ! :D

That's right! Our jokes are just too good! :D

[Jarek Z]

Results from test/training runs of qualifying stage (2.5 km):


More results of the test runs as well as photos and interviews can be found here:
http://rajdy.autoklub.pl/news/kubica-sz ... gach,51060 (http://rajdy.autoklub.pl/news/kubica-szalal-na-treningach,51060)

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Is the QS running yet ?

[Tom206wrc]

OK...it wasn't qualifying yet on Autoklub then...I was starting worrying Breen was so far behind :p:

[Jarek Z]

No, those were just test runs.

But qualifying has already started. Gryazin from Russia leads with 1:52.1 now.

[Jarek Z]

Do the live results work for you?
http://rajdy.autoguard.pl/wyniki/2013/r ... =73&o=1274 (http://rajdy.autoguard.pl/wyniki/2013/rajd-polski/erc#!r=73&o=1274)

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Yes results working, thanks !

ALL LOCAL TIMES:
16:00hrs: Qualifying Stage (Miko?ajki, 2.50 kilometres)
20:00hrs: Ceremonial Start (Place Wolno?ci, Miko?ajki)
22:00hrs: Publication of start list for Leg One

[Jarek Z]

A small video from the qualifying track:
http://www.sport.pl/Rajd/1,131937,14600 ... oxSportTxt (http://www.sport.pl/Rajd/1,131937,14600794,Rajd_Polski__OS_Kwalifikacyjny__ Jak_spisza_sie_Polacy_.html#BoxSportTxt)

[Jarek Z]

Yes results working, thanks !


You are lucky. They don't work for me and I have already tried two browsers :(

[Fast Eddie WRC]

[quote="Fast Eddie WRC":2aagazue]Yes results working, thanks !


You are lucky. They don't work for me and I have already tried two browsers :([/quote:2aagazue]

I'm using Chrome... its even translated into English ! :D

Ancian just gone fastest in 207 s2000...

[Jarek Z]

A small video from the muddy service park, I'm surprised that Breen knows Kajto :)
http://www.sport.pl/sport/10,67450,1459 ... oxSportTxt (http://www.sport.pl/sport/10,67450,14598446,Rusza_70__Rajd_Polski___To_nie_p redkosc_zadecyduje.html#BoxSportTxt)

[Tom206wrc]

Top drivers aren't in a hurry for qualifying :mark:

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Results now showing on the Official Site:

http://www.fiaerc.com/events/live/id/11

[Jarek Z]

Results now showing on the Official Site:

http://www.fiaerc.com/events/live/id/11

Thanks a lot! These results work for me! :bounce:

[Tom206wrc]

Bouffier in a 208 ???? :confused:

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Anyone getting Rally Radio ?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Interesting from the official site:

*Due to congestion in the local area, Kajetan Kajetanowicz, Jan Kopecký (ŠKODA Motorsport), Micha? Ko?ciuszko (LOTOS Rally Team) and Robert Kubica were unable to attend the pre-event press conference as planned...

[Jarek Z]

If I see it right Kubica won the qualifying?

[thuGG]

Robert first after qualy, full results here:
http://rajdy.autoguard.pl/wyniki/2013/r ... =73&o=1274 (http://rajdy.autoguard.pl/wyniki/2013/rajd-polski/erc#!r=73&o=1274)

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Breen only 8th, even behind team-mate Ancian !

Given the road conditions this looks a big problem... :rolleyes:

Breen: "I haven't been driving so well honestly, but the rally begins tomorrow."

[Jarek Z]

Interesting from the official site:

*Due to congestion in the local area, Kajetan Kajetanowicz, Jan Kopecký (ŠKODA Motorsport), Micha? Ko?ciuszko (LOTOS Rally Team) and Robert Kubica were unable to attend the pre-event press conference as planned...

I was there many times and I can easily see it happening. There are many small local roads over there and it is very easy to get stuck in a traffic during such a great event as rally Poland.

[Jarek Z]

Bouffier in a 208 ???? :confused:

He is third so it must be 207 S2000.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

207 this time yes ...

http://d3jw5gs1mh13h6.cloudfront.net/up ... Pol_03.jpg (http://d3jw5gs1mh13h6.cloudfront.net/uploads/photobank/seasons/2013/events/11_Poland/shakedown/big2/big2_Bouffier_Pol_03.jpg)

[Mirek]

I think that atmospheric S2000 will be slow on real stages in such muddy conditions due to bad traction.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

S2000 cars did ok on very wet muddy roads in the Azores...

More turbo cars here though.

[zajic]

Photos from QS and ceremonial start online HERE: http://www.rally-mania.cz/photogallery.php?id=1195 ;)

[kober]

Holowczyc does one road rally a year, and he's third quickest Pole. And he's 51. Kudos :)

[Bartek]

Friend told me that it's raining now in Miko?ajki heavily

[uranium]

http://www.meteo.pl/um/php/meteorogram_ ... 2013091312 (http://www.meteo.pl/um/php/meteorogram_map_um.php?ntype=0u&row=360&col=255&lang=pl&fdate=2013091312)

Forecast for Mikolajki. Now it's raining, but for Sat and Sun it's promised no rain. See the second graph.

[rallyfun]

[quote="Fast Eddie WRC":3mkkjmer]Interesting from the official site:

*Due to congestion in the local area, Kajetan Kajetanowicz, Jan Kopecký (ŠKODA Motorsport), Micha? Ko?ciuszko (LOTOS Rally Team) and Robert Kubica were unable to attend the pre-event press conference as planned...

I was there many times and I can easily see it happening. There are many small local roads over there and it is very easy to get stuck in a traffic during such a great event as rally Poland.[/quote:3mkkjmer]
I can't see that happening as service park is some 300m from qualification stage, there was an error in organizers itinerary regarding time for press conference.

[miniwintz]

Onboard from quali stage (kopecky):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsIGqayf364

The fact that they are running the quali on a super special stage seems new to me? Could it be some experimentation on public response by the FIA, after all the debate we've seen about the stage stucture of the WRC?

Or maybe it's standard here in Poland/ERC and I am just misinterpreting :)

[Jarek Z]

It's not standard in Poland and it's not standard in ERC. It must be some new invention from FIA.

[Jarek Z]

Friend told me that it's raining now in Miko?ajki heavily

He can't be a good friend then ;)

[Jarek Z]

Photos from QS and ceremonial start online HERE: http://www.rally-mania.cz/photogallery.php?id=1195 ;)

Finally some good photos! Thank you! :)

[Mirek]

It's not standard in Poland and it's not standard in ERC. It must be some new invention from FIA.

If I remember shakedown was held on SSS in Mikolajki already last year. Qualification on SSS is therefore most likely invention of the organizers as it is part of shakedown.

[Fiat-131-Abarth]

Surprising result of the first stage. Bouffier by far the fastest, Kajto 2nd.

[Mirek]

Bouffier has an awesome speed especially considering his low budget team and car!

[Tom206wrc]

I'm happy Kopecky isn't dominating S2000(it's so rare) !!! Go Bryan :bounce:

[Tom206wrc]

Nice fight between Lefèbvre and Immonen in R2 class :cool:

[Tom206wrc]

Longest SS3 is running ;)

[Fiat-131-Abarth]

Bouffier again much faster than Kopecky and kosciuszko.

[Jarek Z]

Kubica fastest so far, but let's wait for Kajto!

[Jarek Z]

Look at the conditions...
https://scontent-a-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/q77/s720x720/1175461_665678966778244_321027901_n.jpg

[MartijnS]

Really good footage at Eurosport :D

[mousti]

Kajto on Dmack's?

[Bartek]

Kajto on Dmack's?

I think with Michelin :rolleyes:

https://scontent-b-cdg.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/1176296_637636866269585_530435416_n.jpg

[Tom206wrc]

Even spectators must be very motivated to wait for the competitors with feet in the mud like this :eek: :eek: :s

[mousti]

Aha because there was no logo of Tyre brand on the results by his name on Eurosport. What mostly means he doesn't use Michelin's. Must be a glitch then.

[uranium]

Nike made special footwear for Rajd ;)
https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/ ... 9615_n.jpg (https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/q71/1234553_662549490432656_1642359615_n.jpg)

[Tom206wrc]

Good time from Tomasz Gryc in his Suzuki Swift S1600...no match for the GrR 2WD cars ;)

[Tom206wrc]

Second loop of stages should have started by now ;)

[uranium]

Very nice coverage from Eurosport! Nice job! :)

[Tom206wrc]

Of course, Kubica's time isn't correct in SS4 :p:

[Tom206wrc]

Nice time by Kangur on SS4 ;)
Or perhaps it's a mistake :p:

[Jarek Z]

Very nice coverage from Eurosport! Nice job! :)

Really? I didn't see it, but my brother told me it was mostly a boring helicopter footage plus maybe 1-2 interesting shots from the ground.

[Mirek]

I have not watched it but it has always been like that since Eurosport introduced live coverage. For me helicopter footage can be very nice when it's done correct way (and the crazy pilot of ES managed to do so quite often). On the contrary to You I also very much like onboard footage.

[Mirek]

Top 4 in production cup is separated by 6 seconds after SS4, very nice!

Bebenek; Butvilas +0,9; Chuchala +2,4; Arai +6,1

[Jarek Z]

Top 4 in production cup is separated by 6 seconds after SS4, very nice!


Yes, but unfortunately Habaj had to withdraw from the rally after technical problems.

These spectators are ready for the rally :)
https://scontent-b-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/q72/s720x720/1238205_598036636933341_1473339469_n.jpg

[Mirek]

Yes, that's pity of Habaj :(

[Kalm]

Looks like Kangur has found the gas pedal :)

[Mirek]

Looks like Kangur has found the gas pedal :)

Kopecký too :)

[Tom206wrc]

Top 4 in production cup is separated by 6 seconds after SS4, very nice!

Bebenek; Butvilas +0,9; Chuchala +2,4; Arai +6,1


Araï lost quite a lot in SS5 :mark:

[tolis]

Is Kangur the youngest stage winner in ERC or not?

[makinen_fan]

What's going on with Serderidis? Something wrong or is this his real pace?

[tolis]

What's going on with Serderidis? Something wrong or is this his real pace?
This is his real pace. He started rallying 18 months ago and he is 49 years old. That's his first gravel rally ever.

[tolis]

Some news about ERC 2014: http://www.fiaerc.com/news/detail/id/1543

[WUff1]

Letting Arai do more rallies instead of Aigner was a wrong decision - but in this case I believe money decided.

[makinen_fan]

What's going on with Serderidis? Something wrong or is this his real pace?
This is his real pace. He started rallying 18 months ago and he is 49 years old. That's his first gravel rally ever.
Thanks for the info, I didn't realise this before

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Breen really struggling in this rally... i thought he would be much higher given his previous performances this season. :rolleyes:

Breen [1:51.8] after SS6 : "Not really happy so far, not a perfect day, but we're still here"

[miniwintz]

The conditions really seem terrible. Road looks like battle ground from WW1 with those trenches :eek:

[Mirek]

Bouffier again massively faster than Kopecký.

[focus206]

Kubica ripped off front right wheel :\

[Andre Oliveira]

Despite the knowledge of Polish rallies (2x time champion), Bouffier are doing a amazing job with desatualized 207 S2000.

Kubica lost wheel.

[miniwintz]

DS3 still doing pretty good on 3 wheels :D (Novikov's style)
http://i.imgur.com/6pGLeHFl.jpg

[HaCo]

Is he allowed to run on 3 wheels on liaison? Big gap from Bouffier!

[Mirek]

Kajto even faster than Bouffier and Solowow gets to third overall over Kopecký and Kubica. Kangur looses a lot of time. Interesting :vader:

[jarauto]

Is he allowed to run on 3 wheels on liaison?

No, he's not
but in Poland everything is possible,
so lets hope he'll do it.

[focus206]

Why was Toshi laughing that much in the last meters of the stage? :D

[Mirek]

Official Peugeots are 8th and 10th after leg 1 and that only because of problems of Kubica and Kangur in the last stage otherwise they would be 10th and 12th. Quite a shame when You compare them with Bouffier.

[RS]

I don't think Kopecky is/was really aiming for the win here, guess he will go for 3rd though.

Bouffier is doing a great job but he is clearly the most experienced of the fastest guys on this event.

Actually expected a bit more from Kubica, accident or not.

[bluuford]

Kangur had problems with powersteering on the last stage and therefore he visited some bushes briefly as well...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Official Peugeots are 8th and 10th after leg 1 and that only because of problems of Kubica and Kangur in the last stage otherwise they would be 10th and 12th. Quite a shame when You compare them with Bouffier.

'Official Peugeots' are actually the Peugeot Rally Academy - intending to develop new talent and not expecting them to win for the team...

Breen has been excellent in his first ERC season and is 2nd in the championship.

[EightGear]

Official Peugeots are 8th and 10th after leg 1 and that only because of problems of Kubica and Kangur in the last stage otherwise they would be 10th and 12th. Quite a shame when You compare them with Bouffier.

'Official Peugeots' are actually the Peugeot Rally Academy - intending to develop new talent and not expecting them to win for the team...


Aha so that's why he hasn't won anything this season.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Official Peugeots are 8th and 10th after leg 1 and that only because of problems of Kubica and Kangur in the last stage otherwise they would be 10th and 12th. Quite a shame when You compare them with Bouffier.

'Official Peugeots' are actually the Peugeot Rally Academy - intending to develop new talent and not expecting them to win for the team...


Aha so that's why he hasn't won anything this season.

No shame in a rookie being second to the likes of experienced men like Kopecky & Bouffier ... and he has set quite a few fastest times and had the odd off and punctures or he would have even better results this season.

[Mirek]

Here onboards of Kopecký from Leg 1. 1:51 :D :smokin:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrsRnv4oLls

[RS]

Just been watching the 2nd live stage of today, some notes:

- Amazing committed driving by Bouffier, great to watch
- Bouffier's headlights, what the hell are they? It was like looking at the sun. The brightest whitest light I have seen from a lampod!
- Kubica really unlucky, I couldn't see whatever it was that he hit.
- Kopecky seems to be running an almost Safari style setup, very high ride height.

[dupanton]

Great driving by Bouffier and Kajetan!
Nice times for Kubica and Kangur, a pity they made mistakes...
Disappointments: Kopecky (he should challenge for the win everywhere, even if he doesn't need it) and especially Breen. Maybe it has something to do with the codriver? Or setup?

[Mirek]

Kopecký has never been a gravel driver. He won only two gravel events in his whole career - Acores and Romania this year. In neither one of them he was the fastest but most reliable. I think that his pace on gravel has not changed much but since both Hänninen and Mikkelsen left we did not have the full picture of his speed through this season. I would say his victories on Acores and in Romania say more about the level of competition there.

[zajic]

Leg 1 with detailed photo of Kubica going on three wheels...
http://www.rally-mania.cz/photogallery.php?id=1195

[thuGG]

Kubica onboard from stage where he lost his wheel:
http://eurosport.onet.pl/motorowe/rajdy ... bicy/mwmv4 (http://eurosport.onet.pl/motorowe/rajdy-samochodowe/zobacz-feralny-przejazd-kubicy/mwmv4)

[dimviii]

Kubica onboard from stage where he lost his wheel:
http://eurosport.onet.pl/motorowe/rajdy ... bicy/mwmv4 (http://eurosport.onet.pl/motorowe/rajdy-samochodowe/zobacz-feralny-przejazd-kubicy/mwmv4)

not available out of Poland

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Impressive by Bouffier today... very slippy roads shows his Monte win was no fkuke. The guy can really drive in these conditions...

[Bartek]

Kajto is fantastic. First rally in R5 with everything new and he is way faster than Ko?ciuszko from the same team

[Mirek]

Congratulation to Kajto for Polish title :) Anyway he's doing incredible times today! Also Butvilas is crazy fast today with a Lancer.

So Kubica retired as I can see.

By the way doesn anybody know what happened with Grzyb and Avci?

[Filip]

Congratulations also for all those people standing in mud and water, from the onboards it looks like there is really a lot of people on the stages. :)

[vino_93]

What is this starting order ? Why do Butvilas and Kangur start in Top Ten whereas they were not here today ? Staniszewski and Oleksowicz must like it ...

[Mirek]

Is that time of Solowow real?

EDIT: It was fixed. Big lead for Kajetan now. Let's see if Bryan can strike back in the afternoon!

[dimviii]

today stages are dry,or muddy like yesterday?

[thuGG]

Kubica onboard from stage where he lost his wheel:
http://eurosport.onet.pl/motorowe/rajdy ... bicy/mwmv4 (http://eurosport.onet.pl/motorowe/rajdy-samochodowe/zobacz-feralny-przejazd-kubicy/mwmv4)

not available out of Poland

Short youtube clip:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... V7FSRlYixQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=gV7FSRlYixQ)

[Mirek]

I have not watched live stage but some guys wrote that Bouffier may have broken front right damper and that Kopecký had transmission problems (very strange sound from transmission but still working as 4WD).

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Ancian broke his transmission, Breen had a puncture and Bouffier broke a rear damper and lost the lead ...

Looks like we could have a first win for the Fiesta R5 by Kajetanowicz. :)

[Andre Oliveira]

Ancian broke his transmission, Breen had a puncture and Bouffier broke a rear damper and lost the lead ...

Looks like we could have a first win for the Fiesta R5 by Kajetanowicz. :)

ERC win offcourse, because:
http://ewrc-results.com/final.php?e=794 ... Rally-2013 (http://ewrc-results.com/final.php?e=7948&t=Aleksandrov-Rally-2013)
http://ewrc-results.com/final.php?e=125 ... inski-2013 (http://ewrc-results.com/final.php?e=12555&t=Rajd-Warminski-2013)

[Jarek Z]

Kubica onboard from stage where he lost his wheel:
http://eurosport.onet.pl/motorowe/rajdy ... bicy/mwmv4 (http://eurosport.onet.pl/motorowe/rajdy-samochodowe/zobacz-feralny-przejazd-kubicy/mwmv4)

Thanks a lot for this video. I was at the football match yesterday, so I had no idea what was going on in the rally. Of course without shots from the ground this footage lacks some dynamics, but still I find it very good.

What a bad luck of Kubica! Or is it lack of skills?

[Jarek Z]

Spectators point :)

http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/1f/d7/de/z14604063AA.jpg

[Andre Oliveira]

ERC last 3 stages are on the way:

Online timing: http://ewrc-results.com/results.php?e=7 ... olski-2013 (http://ewrc-results.com/results.php?e=7316&Rajd-Polski-2013)

[Mirek]

Just realized we have two stages with same name in two consecutive ERC events (ok, almost) :D

Biskupice (Barum Rally)
Biskupiec (Rajd Polski)

[miniwintz]

Like! Does it have a particular meaning? :D

[Andre Oliveira]

I think Bouffier will get the time he needs.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

I think Bouffier will get the time he needs.

I think Kajetanowicz will hold on for the win if there are no problems...

[Mirek]

Like! Does it have a particular meaning? :D

Biskupice in Czech means something like a village of a bishop. I think the Polish name means the same. Biskup = bishop in both languages.

[noel157]

Bryan needs half a sec per km over the last 2 stages, 40km odd, maybe possible considering the conditions but won't be easy.

[Mirek]

Was this here? A video from outside with the moment when Kubica broke wheel. There was a hidden stump in the grass just at the roadside.

http://rsmp.tv/index.php/media-gallery/162-kubica-off

[tommeke_B]

Nobody here to blame the spectators for Kubica hitting something? :p

[Andre Oliveira]

18.7 of difference to last stage. I still believe on Bouffier win.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

I'd be surprised if Bouffier risks going for the win now... I think he'll just hope for a problem or mistake by Kajto.

BB "I am really pushing, it is not enough. No change. I feel 100%, I am really pushing as hard as I can, but it is not really enough."

[Mirek]

Both top 2WD drivers out! Gryc broke wheel but what happened to Lefevbre? Does anyone know?

[focus206]

Last stage live on Eurosport right now :)

[Andre Oliveira]

Serderidis out to?

[Andre Oliveira]

Problem to Kangur

[Andre Oliveira]

Kajetanowicz 1st

[eestlane]

What happend to kangur?

[miniwintz]

First ERC win for Fiesta R5. Great rally, Eurosport coverage was excellent. Congrats to Kajedkaslfjjaeoweirfiqweurski :D

[WUff1]

Congrats to Kajto, Bryan and Honza!

[Mirek]

Great win for Kajetan. He deserved some international success! Hope he can go abroad next year :vader:

[bluuford]

Kangur said that powersteering and then puncture, then changed puncture on the stage and then stopped to let Kopecky pass him

[Mirek]

Jan and Pavel are already European champions. After four second places in IRC in a row... This year the competition wasn't that good but the title is sure deserved.

By the way Pavel Dresler is double European champion already because in 2011 he won title in category C in Historic European Championship with Miroslav Janota. That's for a guy who started as an ordinary rally fan (for example he was part of the initiative Fans For Kresta which supported Roman in his way to the Ford factory team).

[Andre Oliveira]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/1229877_124568061047141_2019277880_n.png

[RS]

Jan and Pavel are already European champions. After four second places in IRC in a row... This year the competition wasn't that good but the title is sure deserved.


Congratulations if that's true. 7 event, 5 wins, 2 podiums is a pretty good record. Not all the events had poor entry lists.

Also he proved today he can drive on gravel on SS10/13, just a shame he can't manage that speed for the whole rally!

But this is what I don't like about the complicated points system of IRC and now ERC. Jan is champion but nobody knows it because you need a degree in mathematics to work it out. Less rounds, no dropped scores nonsense please!

[John V]

But this is what I don't like about the complicated points system of IRC and now ERC. Jan is champion but nobody knows it because you need a degree in mathematics to work it out. Less rounds, no dropped scores nonsense please!

Yes exactly. I thought they already champions too, but there is still theoretical chance for Craig, as you have to count on bonus points. To be absolutelly sure, Jan needs about 15 points plus.

[bluuford]

No, there is not even theoretical chanche. Only four best results from both parts of season count

[kober]

Kopecky has 119 points of advantage over Bouffier, and a few more over Breen. Granted the rest of the ERC rounds have two bonus-eligible legs, there's only 117 points up for grabs.

[John V]

No, there is not even theoretical chanche. Only four best results from both parts of season count
I tried to count once more, now more precisely. Seems thats true, even if Craig wins maximum available points for remaining three round, Jan should still have 10 points advantage. Let's wait for official ERC calculation.

[Fiat-131-Abarth]

I really hope, that this victory gives Kajto the boost to find the funds for an international campaign in a proper rally car next year. Maybe it helps, that he is two minutes faster than the Lotos Nr. 1 driver.

[Mirek]

No, there is not even theoretical chanche. Only four best results from both parts of season count
I tried to count once more, now more precisely. Seems thats true, even if Craig wins maximum available points for remaining three round, Jan should still have 10 points advantage. Let's wait for official ERC calculation.

Don't forget that neither Craig nor Bryan has entered Rally Croatia.

[kober]

Don't forget that neither Craig nor Bryan has entered Rally Croatia.
If Kopecky has secured the championship already, I don't think that we will see him in Croatia either. Or any other rally this year; his season might be over.

[Jordib]

I don't know if it was asked or commented before, but someone knows wich make of tyres used Kajetanowicz in Poland? i know they are not Michelin but i haven't been able to see a detailed picture of the tyres or any related stick on the car or crew overalls.

[Mirek]

If Kopecky has secured the championship already, I don't think that we will see him in Croatia either. Or any other rally this year; his season might be over.

Škoda confirmed an hour a go that Kopecký will start in Croatia. He will also start in Rally P?íbram which is last part of Czech championship because he can win also Czech title (despite not doing all rounds).

[John V]

I don't know if it was asked or commented before, but someone knows wich make of tyres used Kajetanowicz in Poland? i know they are not Michelin but i haven't been able to see a detailed picture of the tyres or any related stick on the car or crew overalls.
They drove on Michelin, confirmed by team.

[Jordib]

I don't know if it was asked or commented before, but someone knows wich make of tyres used Kajetanowicz in Poland? i know they are not Michelin but i haven't been able to see a detailed picture of the tyres or any related stick on the car or crew overalls.
They drove on Michelin, confirmed by team.

Then I don't understand why on Eurosport he appears without the Michelin logo when all other drivers on Michelin has it. Strange.

[Bartek]

Onboards will be only on a offical website?

[Jarek Z]

So next week we are going to find out whether Kubica is Poland's fastest rally driver already. I think yes...

... and you are wrong :) Congratulations to Kajto! Great driving and a well deserved win!

[Jarek Z]

How many crashes more???

One crash on Tuesday and another one on Saturday :D

[Jarek Z]

Official Peugeots are 8th and 10th after leg 1 and that only because of problems of Kubica and Kangur in the last stage otherwise they would be 10th and 12th. Quite a shame when You compare them with Bouffier.

That's true. Now official Peugeots are behind Bouffier also in the ERC standings:
1. Kopecky 248,
2. Bouffier 129,
3. Breen 121,
4. Delecour 75,
5. Kajetanowicz 50,
...
18. Ancian 20.

[Jarek Z]

Letting Arai do more rallies instead of Aigner was a wrong decision - but in this case I believe money decided.

I agree. Fortunately I saw Aigner's name on the entry list for Rally Croatia.

[Jarek Z]

Was this here? A video from outside with the moment when Kubica broke wheel. There was a hidden stump in the grass just at the roadside.

http://rsmp.tv/index.php/media-gallery/162-kubica-off

Yes, that is exactly the location of Kubica's second crash.

P.S. If someone needs translation of the spectators' reactions here it is:

- He ripped off a wheel!
- Oh fuck, he ripped of a wheel!
- He ripped off a wheel!
- Has he ripped off a wheel?
- A root! A root! A root in the cut! A root in the cut!
- Heeeere! Here you have it!
- Oh myyyy...

[Jarek Z]

Serderidis out to?

They must have excluded him for bad driving :D

[br21]

Ufff... crazy difficult rally... for drivers, teams, spectators, organizers also.
Idea of service park on not concrete surface for every team was very stupid. Road conditions very difficult, but finally it turned out everybody was able to drive and not get stuck.
Top 9 on Michelin tires, does it mean something?

[Jarek Z]

Another rally was won, time to relax :)
http://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/h ... 5751_o.jpg (http://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/1264659_391915900935005_916425751_o.jpg)

[RS]

So next week we are going to find out whether Kubica is Poland's fastest rally driver already. I think yes...

... and you are wrong :) Congratulations to Kajto! Great driving and a well deserved win!

Absolutely. I guess I underestimated the other Poles but like I said somewhere else Kubica was a bit disappointing here.. Ok it is hard to be disappointed with him 'globally' given this is his first proper year rallying but given his speed earlier in the year and his greater experience now I expected him to be a bit quicker (and hopefully not crash!)

[rallyfun]

So next week we are going to find out whether Kubica is Poland's fastest rally driver already. I think yes...

... and you are wrong :) Congratulations to Kajto! Great driving and a well deserved win!

Absolutely. I guess I underestimated the other Poles but like I said somewhere else Kubica was a bit disappointing here.. Ok it is hard to be disappointed with him 'globally' given this is his first proper year rallying but given his speed earlier in the year and his greater experience now I expected him to be a bit quicker (and hopefully not crash!)
It's like you expected new football player to be a bit better than Messi or Ronaldo.

[stefanvv]

I think the difference in the cars is more on gravel than on asphalt