2013 Italian Grand Prix Thread

[Tazio]

Monza GP 2013

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/14_Italy_EN_CMYK_300dpi.jpg

Past winners

2012: The Boss
2011: Seb
2010: Zo

[Parabolica]

Forza Ferrari !!!!!!!!!!!

[steveaki13]

Always look forward to Monza, have to say though DRS here is a bit silly. Even though I detest DRS anyway here I cant see the need.

[Roamy]

alonso needs to pull out the win NOW

[AndyL]

Curva Biassono, is that a new name? I can't recall hearing it called anything other than Curva Grande.

[Tazio]

Curva Biassono, is that a new name? I can't recall hearing it called anything other than Curva Grande.
I found this:

CURVA BIASSONO

Originally, in 1922, it was called Curva Grande, for the large radius and its length. Then in 1927 it was renamed Curva Biassono due to its proximity with the homonymous country .
In the following years, we continued to call the curve by her first name. Only recently, it has finally acquired its second name.


I can't recall ever hearing it called anything other than Curva Grande as well.

[Tazio]

Forza Ferrari !!!!!!!!!!!Avanti Fer Avantiiiiiiiiiii :angel:

[TheFamousEccles]

Can't wait! Love this track.

[kfzmeister]

I found this:

I can't recall ever hearing it called anything other than Curva Grande as well.

They changed it to it's new name in 1927? Lmao. Looks like nobody got the memo. EVER!

[Tazio]

:s tareup: Maybe the best kept secret in GP racing :confused:

http://www.monzanet.it/en/show/2381/curva%20biassono%20en

[555-04Q2]

Love Monza! Classic high speed track :) Let's hope for an entertaining race this weekend!

[ShiftingGears]

I must say I don't particularly like Monza. It's a traditional circuit and all but I just don't like chicanes.

[Tazio]

:s ailor: Monza

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http://i.imgur.com/AysOnG0.jpg

[TheFamousEccles]

It would be wonderful if some bright spark could figure out a way to incorporate at least a little of these beautiful relics of motor racing history into the current Monza layout, wouldn't it? I have little idea of the proximity of these bankings in relation to the current track (behind the Parabolica? I can stand correcting on this), and like all my brilliant ideas, probably can't be done.

Dare to dream.... :z

[ShiftingGears]

:s ailor: Monza

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http://i.imgur.com/AysOnG0.jpg

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[Parabolica]

Oh, Come, All Ye Faithful!

Joyful and Triumphant?

The Cathedral is open for worship!

[TheFamousEccles]

@ ShiftingGears - fecking awesome!

Can you imagine the G's generated by the current cars - particularly on the drivers spine? If ground effect cars were still around the terminal velocity of this track would be other-worldly!

Or maybe limited only by friction?

[Tazio]

The Bulls (Vettlel) look mighty after FP2. It's still early on but it doesn't bode well for the rest of the field.
Go every one else!! :p :

[555-04Q2]

Go every one else!! :p :

:laugh:

[kfzmeister]

:s ailor: Monza

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What i would give to be able to stand there and imagine what once was. If i'm not mistaken, this curve is right where the current first chicane is.

[Parabolica]

What i would give to be able to stand there and imagine what once was. If i'm not mistaken, this curve is right where the current first chicane is.

It started there, but has pretty much been removed in that area. The bridge before Ascari has the old banking on it, and on the exit of the Parabolica (cool name, somebody should use it as their forum name) is where it re-enters the existing track.

When you stand on it, there is, or was for me anyway, a real sense of it still being an essential part of the soul of Monza. I would hate to see it touched in any way. It simply exudes history.

[TheFamousEccles]

"Webber lingered in the garage as others got down to serious work. Technical issues with his car, believed to be related to KERS, delayed his release." (Motorsport.com)

The more things change, the more they stay the same....

[kfzmeister]

"Webber lingered in the garage as others got down to serious work. Technical issues with his car, believed to be related to KERS, delayed his release." (Motorsport.com)

The more things change, the more they stay the same....

Poor Daniel. Wondering how he'll deal with it.

[jens]

Vettel and Red Bull were very fast in Canada too, so it is not surprising in 2013 RBR seems to go well on so-called stop-and-go circuits. Whatever the issue was in previous years, they seem to have solved it for now.

[steveaki13]

Red Bull are a class above. Garry is right

[Tazio]

Red Bull are a class above. Garry is rightLauda said on Sky that RBR has found something on the mechanical side of the car during the summer break which alows them run with a very low downforce configuration and that in his view is absolute astonishing


Grosjean said that RB found something in the diffuser that is not working in a normal way.

Perfect :angryfire :dork:

[donKey jote]

Hay gurlz :dork:

[Tazio]

Dude!! :angel:
Shocking performance by The Boss
He just said he drove like an idiot

[donKey jote]

Maybe he got some damage driving through the kitty litter? :confused:

And Kimi? :crazy:

[Tazio]

And Kimi? :crazy: :dork: ;)

[donKey jote]

Alo will be fuming at Massa :laugh:

[donKey jote]

nice one from Hulk :up:

[dj_bytedisaster]

Felipe, that'll be a paddlin' :rotflmao:

[Tazio]

Great job by Hulk. Felipe does well. All around a very exciting quali! :cool:

[webberf1]

No doubt about it: Ferrari deserved the mediocre result with all their playing around and not focusing on the job at hand.
Red Bull: very imposing.
STR: hopefully they have some good race pace this time.

[Tazio]

Slash under investigation for blocking The Boss :eek:

[dj_bytedisaster]

Slash under investigation for blocking The Boss :eek:

Both were on a flying lap. That can't be counting as blocking, can it?

[Tazio]

I guess we'll see. He definately slowed him down :bulb:

[dj_bytedisaster]

I guess we'll see. He definately slowed him down :bulb:

If he was on an in-lap yes, but you can't require a driver to sacrifice his last shot at a flying lap for someone else. Else the Marussias wouldn't get a flyer all weekend.

[Tazio]

Really poor showing by Zo in Q3 :down:

[jens]

Mighty from Hülkenberg. If he is comfortable in the car and the car is actually fast too, these are the kind of performances, which have marked him out as a driver, who people are looking forward to see in a top team. Reminiscent of the second half of last year.

Interesting that Toro Rosso is coming good now too, like they did in 2011 (Alguersuari 7th at Monza) or of course famously in 2008. Let's see, what can the surprise packages of Monza deliver in the race.

[Tazio]

If he was on an in-lap yes, but you can't require a driver to sacrifice his last shot at a flying lap for someone else. Else the Marussias wouldn't get a flyer all weekend.Don't shoot the messenger! ;)


#f1 Sutil is under investigation for impeding Hamilton on a flying lap. Sutil ended P14, with Di Resta P16.
@Jamesallenonf1

It won't help Hamilton so my guess is that they will not penalize Slash

[webberf1]

Never seen so much action at the parabolica (lets call it the diabolica for today). What was with that? Maybe the line got dirty early on and kept getting worse with more cars running off.

[ShiftingGears]

Never seen so much action at the parabolica (lets call it the diabolica for today). What was with that? Maybe the line got dirty early on and kept getting worse with more cars running off.

Indeed, very strange.

[Tazio]

Hulk can secuere a ride with Ferrari by driving Seb off the track.
Flavio is in the house ;)

[Tazio]

Italian GP: Sutil handed three-place grid penalty - F1 news - AUTOSPORT.com (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/109730)

Slash :p :

[tfp]

Italian GP: Sutil handed three-place grid penalty - F1 news - AUTOSPORT.com (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/109730)

Slash :p :


Everyone needs a slash in their lives....

you can't hold it in forever ;)

[steveaki13]

Slash under investigation for blocking The Boss :eek: Sorry did you say Blocking the Boss or Bottling the Boss? ;)

[steveaki13]

Wow. Seb and Red Bull are just awesome at the moment. Great job by Felipe and Nico too. Is it true we are in for a wet race tomorrow.

[steveaki13]

I love the Italian GP but I have to say I hope for rain and for a spicy race, to help the championship.

[Tazio]

Brawn:

Lewis was looking OK, and unfortunately caught a kerb and damaged the car underneath and broke the floor, and we didn’t realise the consequence of that until a bit later in the session
Floor damage hampered Hamilton, says Brawn | Adam Cooper's F1 Blog (http://adamcooperf1.com/2013/09/07/floor-damage-hampered-hamitlon-says-brawn/)
@ Steve, I think the predicted chance of rain has been reduced, although it may be still in the cards. :dork:
I think we may be in for an interesting race with The Boss charging from mid field Kimi and Rogro with probably the best chance of a strong one stopper, Hulk starting at the front, and Webber with his typical starting/ technical issues :dork:

[Parabolica]

Haven't had the chance to see qualifying, but it is clear from the result that Ferrari have to forget this year's title.

Last year, Vettel had a great car to use to close down a points gap.

Unless Raikkonen and Hamilton are going to repay their debts from last year and take Deb out at every first corner from here to Interlagos, then it's clear that Ferrari do not jave the car, and the ability to make a car, capable of taking the fight.

Shame on you Luca. This is your fault. Promotion based on nationality to try to build your own political aspiration at the cost of my beloved Scuderia is a insult to Mr Ferrari's legacy.

Enzo cared only for winning, not how many votes a pipe-dream might bring.

[Parabolica]

I meant Seb. Keyboard user malfunction.

[steveaki13]

Brawn:Floor damage hampered Hamilton, says Brawn | Adam Cooper's F1 Blog (http://adamcooperf1.com/2013/09/07/floor-damage-hampered-hamitlon-says-brawn/)@ Steve, I think the predicted chance of rain has been reduced, although it may be still in the cards. :dork: I think we may be in for an interesting race with The Boss charging from mid field Kimi and Rogro with probably the best chance of a strong one stopper, Hulk starting at the front, and Webber with his typical starting/ technical issues :dork: I agree Doc. Should be a great Race no matter what, however just Seb and this title needs a challenge. So I hope someone gets ahead of him at Turn 1 and makes a race of it.

[webberf1]

Just realised Grosjean and Maldonado are starting next to each other :D

[steveaki13]

Just realised Grosjean and Maldonado are starting next to each other :D They wont even make it to the grid is my off the wall prediction. A crash being pushed to their grid slots. http://www.motorsportforums.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

[steveaki13]

Random. A link to go to a smilie

[Ari33]

The FIA need to do something about the slip streaming tactic loop hole being used by Ferrari in Qually. Don't get me wrong, I'm not bashing Ferrari, I'd do it myself if I was team boss... but c'mon FIA, lets close the loop hole and let Qually be about what it should be.

[Ranger]

The FIA need to do something about the slip streaming tactic loop hole being used by Ferrari in Qually. Don't get me wrong, I'm not bashing Ferrari, I'd do it myself if I was team boss... but c'mon FIA, lets close the loop hole and let Qually be about what it should be.

Why would they outlaw the tactic if it clearly doesn't work anyway?

[SGWilko]

Both were on a flying lap. That can't be counting as blocking, can it?

If that was Sutil's idea of 'flying lap pace' then he deserves to be dead last! ;)

[SGWilko]

I meant Seb. Keyboard user malfunction.

It happens to up all sometimes! :p

[AndyL]

An hour before the race and umbrellas are up! Doesn't look like much though.

[Tazio]

http://i.imgur.com/wiYKmFZ.jpg

[donKey jote]

cheats! :devil: :andrea: :p

[donKey jote]

inters :laugh:

[dj_bytedisaster]

It's the perfect day to go dancing in the rain.
I take my umbrella you can keep it. I don't need it it's soaking up the day.
(Ooo) this is my count off I'll tip my hat back and slaps go 5, 6, 7, 8.
Ain't no sunshine but it's all right ain't know blue skys but it feels
Right.

[Brown, Jon Brow]

Not wet enough for me

[donKey jote]

leave Billy's missus out of it Jon :bandit:

[steveaki13]

Afternoon Chaps and Donkeys

[Koz]

Hi everybody!

[donKey jote]

how cool is the thermal imaging :up:

[steveaki13]

Come on Markie Boy

[steveaki13]

how cool is the thermal imaging :up: Shouldnt that be how hot is the thermal imaging?

[Koz]

Webbo, please take Vettel out :D

[donKey jote]

hay gurlz :D

[donKey jote]

balls perez :mad:

[donKey jote]

bye bye vet :s nore:

[steveaki13]

So whos finishing 2nd today. Paul out.

[Tazio]

Dudes!!

[donKey jote]

Aloooooooo :d :d

[steveaki13]

AlonZoooooooooooooo.

[Tazio]

Zo ;)

[steveaki13]

Engineer: Felipe, Alonso is faster than you.Felipe: Sod him. I'll take him off. Engineer: Do you want the drive in Singapore. Felipe: Ok.

[steveaki13]

Nico Hulkenberg doing a stirling job.

[longisland]

Me think Kimi will punch Checo personally this time

[steveaki13]

Where are the Mercs. I thought pre weekend their straight line speed would mean a chance of winning. Now they are just racing in the pack.

[donKey jote]

Massa about to give Alo a proper tow at last :p

[steveaki13]

Toro Rosso all over Mercs????

[Koz]

Massa... Why are you still in F1, you little bitch?

[steveaki13]

Seb with issues or just tyre wear when he locked up at turn 1 lap 1.

[donKey jote]

just as well, he's posted 5 fastest laps in a row :s nore:

[steveaki13]

Lewy not coming in.

[donKey jote]

he had radio problems? :s

[steveaki13]

Hamilton and Raikkonen down the field, Seb just needs Zo to have problems and his luck increases some more.

[steveaki13]

JEV out. Engine by the looks of it.

[Tazio]

come on safety car :dork:

[steveaki13]

come on safety car :dork: Come on Rain. Come on Zo.

[dj_bytedisaster]

How pathetic is Webber?? Your team mate is running away with it :eek:

[donKey jote]

Vet beginning to drop a few tenths on Alo at last

[dj_bytedisaster]

Well if anything, RBR know how to pitstop...

[donKey jote]

webbo pitpasses massa

[steveaki13]

What are Ferrari doing with Alonso? Dont understand this if no rain is coming.

[Brown, Jon Brow]

Strange keeping Alonso out so long.

[steveaki13]

You assume tyre wear is the reason. Ferrari want a lot fresher tyres if they wear quicker than expected. If not a 4 second gap that is now 10, is not ideal.

[Tazio]

The Boss on a nice little charge

[webberf1]

34 laps in and the top 18 on the lead lap. Not bad.

[donKey jote]

Alo a sitting duck now :dozey:

[truefan72]

incredibly stupid decision to pit hamilton

very very stupid

with 13 laps to go, he should have stayed out and firmed up a top 10 points finish

a complete disaster by the mercedes team
hamilton was flying
no reason to bring him in

very pathetic
He was running 5th and pulling away from both rosberg and hulkenberg
I'm pretty sure those tires could have made it to the end

[steveaki13]

Alo a sitting duck now :dozey: No. Mark has yet another issue. WTF does this guy do, to deserve all this bad luck.

[Brown, Jon Brow]

Somebody do a rain dance please

[webberf1]

Statistically speaking, what is the probability of Mark getting so many more mechanical problems than Vettel. I'd like someone to look into that.

[dj_bytedisaster]

Vettel just got the same warning

--EDIT--

HAM and kimi slugging each other

[donKey jote]

Seb not allowed to set fastest lap :p

[dj_bytedisaster]

Let the frustrated whining commence.

[steveaki13]

Let the frustrated whining commence.OK. I miss the days when Red Bull was Jaguar.

[donKey jote]

Well done Red Bull
Well done Ferrari
Well done Hulk

no donkeys

[TMorel]

I noticed that while they were waiting to go on the podium Seb commented on Ricciardo's result understandably, but it was Hulk's result caught Alonso's eye...

[Tazio]

Statistically speaking, what is the probability of Mark getting so many more mechanical problems than Vettel. I'd like someone to look into that.
They both had problems. Mark would have had a chance to fight with Seb if he didn't have the front wing damage, however it could be argued that that was because MW left himself vulnerable to the pass. All things considered Webber drove very well today.

[longisland]

Zero interaction between Seb & Fred. Quite a tense moment until Mark showed up

[dj_bytedisaster]

Zero interaction between Seb & Fred.


If you discount them shaking hands and talking to each other - that is...

[Brown, Jon Brow]

I didn't like the booing of Vettel on the podium. Yes he's not a Ferrari driver but he can't help winning. Felt a bit sorry for the poor fella.

[AndyL]

I didn't like the booing of Vettel on the podium. Yes he's not a Ferrari driver but he can't help winning. Felt a bit sorry for the poor fella.

John Surtees didn't look too impressed with it either did he.

[dj_bytedisaster]

I didn't like the booing of Vettel on the podium. Yes he's not a Ferrari driver but he can't help winning. Felt a bit sorry for the poor fella.

The booing at Monza is nothing new. The crowd there even boos Italian drivers that aren't racing with Ferrari - ask Ricardo Patrese about his Brabham days. That you were dealing with a bunch of drunken retards was pretty much obvious the moment they didn't really get a clue, who the really old chap on the rostrum was. True tifosi would never have ignored the 'calm down' gesture from a man, who won a world title in a Ferrari.

The thing that worries me more is the constant barrage of hate Vettel's been subjected to this year. Canada, Silverstone, Spa, now Monza. Not even Schumacher or Senna ever got so much persistent hate and those were two guys, who had a habit of running into the competition on purpose to decide title fights. I often hear Malaysia coming up as an excuse, but that's just ridiculous, People have a pretty selective memory, else they would know that Mark was the initial offender in that saga (Silverstone '11). Nobody boos Webber and nobody should be.
Vettel has one big problem. He dominates at a time, when there are 3 other great champions are in the mix (ALO,HAM,RAI) - that's three large fanbases perpetually frustrated while Schumacher in his time was the one with the largest fanbase to begin with. That however does not mean that people should abandon their manners. Booing during the winners ceremony, especially when the anthems are played is ridiculously classless.

[Parabolica]

As a Tifoso, I am disappointed that Vettel was not acknowledged with the respect he deserves.

Unfortunately, the Tifosi sometimes can be, in some sections, unsporting.

If anything can be taken as a positive from it, it is that it is clear that the allegations of racism aimed at the Tifosi for booing Hamilton last year were despicable slander, since the last time I checked Vettel was white.

The truth is that, at Monza, nobody is liked except whoever is in the cockpit of the Scarlet cars.

That does not excuse ungracious actions. It does supply a context. I don't know why Vettel is booed elsewhere though. Italy is not alone with having some ungracious, unsporting and unpleasant fans, evidently.

[zako85]

This could have been a forgettable race if Ferrari drivers didn't fight so aggressively. I was surprised at the lack of pace of Lotus and Mercedes.

[dj_bytedisaster]

This could have been a forgettable race if Ferrari drivers didn't fight so aggressively. I was surprised at the lack of pace of Lotus and Mercedes.

Aren't you exaggerating a bit? ;) I remember Alonso's brilliant path on Webber, but that's as far as the fighting went. The rest was just typical Fernando squeezing every ounce from the car as far as the tyres allowed. Webber never looked like seriously challenging Fernando, especially once his gearbox started to get wonky and Felipe was rather mediocre like always, just a few positions further upfront from where he is mediocre usually, since Lewis and Kimi had taken themselves out of the equation on saturday and their early troubles in the race.
Mind you, still a good drive by 'nando, but aggressive fighting? Don't think so.

[zako85]

Well yes, the race wasn't breathtaking, but there was still hope until about lap 45 or so that maybe Alonso could catch Vettel, specially since he had fresher tires (by a few laps). Alonso was charging like a locomotive and be the end of race, reduced his 12 second deficit down to like 5, but then he simply run out of laps and time. He gave everything. Massa wasn't bad this weekend at all. He beat Alonso in qualis, jumped from fourth to second position on the start, and then, like a good teammate, gave up his position to Alonso some time later in the race. He finished fourth just about three seconds behind Webber, who drove the same car that in Vettel's hands ended like fives seconds ahead of Alonso. Truth be told, if Massa drove like this all the time, there wouldn't be a speculation regarding who gets Ferrari's second seat next year.

[Tazio]

I didn't like the booing of Vettel on the podium. Yes he's not a Ferrari driver but he can't help winning. Felt a bit sorry for the poor fella.
I didn’t care for it either, what a bunch of hyenas. However I can't feel sorry for any of the drivers in F1 unless they get hurt physically. They have life too dicked to get my sympathy.

[kfzmeister]

This could have been a forgettable race if Ferrari drivers didn't fight so aggressively. I was surprised at the lack of pace of Lotus and Mercedes.

I thought at one point they said that only Kimi is matching Vettel's time. That would indicate awesome pace.
Also Hamilton made 9 overtakes, so that looked pretty impressive as well. Kinda tough to make much happen from so far back, but pace was def not their issue.

[dj_bytedisaster]

This could have been a forgettable race if Ferrari drivers didn't fight so aggressively. I was surprised at the lack of pace of Lotus and Mercedes.

I thought at one point they said that only Kimi is matching Vettel's time. That would indicate awesome pace.
Also Hamilton made 9 overtakes, so that looked pretty impressive as well. Kinda tough to make much happen from so far back, but pace was def not their issue.

I think lap times were a bit misleading though. Both Kimi and Lewis ran two-stoppers, while Webber and Vettel had to driver rather catholic. Vettel ruined his fronjt tyre with the lockup into T1, so basically his whole first stint was trying not to have the fillings rattled out of his teeth. Both Kimi and Lewis had shorter final stints than the rest of the field, so they could push flat-out while the opposition had to nurse the tyres (and both RB's wonky gearboxes) home. Front-running cars dropping back into the field through unscheduled pit stops always animates the field, but the times can be a bit misleading.

Dr. James Beck did a good extrapolation of the real pace of the respective drivers: TJ13: Italian GP Race Notes (http://thejudge13.com/2013/09/09/f1-forensics-italiangp-race-notes/)

[kfzmeister]

Dr. James Beck did a good extrapolation of the real pace of the respective drivers: TJ13: Italian GP Race Notes (http://thejudge13.com/2013/09/09/f1-forensics-italiangp-race-notes/)

Excellent. Thanks.