2013 Hungarian Grand Prix Thread

[steveaki13]

So another break and now the the next round of this fast moving F1 season.

2013 Hungarian GP

26th-28th July

Hungaroring, Budapest

70 Laps

Drivers Championship after 9 Rounds

Sebastian Vettel - 157 pts[/*:m:1a7xpw3o]
Fernando Alonso - 123 pts[/*:m:1a7xpw3o]
Kimi Raikkonen - 116 pts[/*:m:1a7xpw3o]
Lewis Hamilton - 99 pts[/*:m:1a7xpw3o]
Mark Webber - 93 pts[/*:m:1a7xpw3o]
Nico Rosberg - 84 pts[/*:m:1a7xpw3o]
Felipe Massa - 57 pts[/*:m:1a7xpw3o]
Romain Grosjean - 41 pts[/*:m:1a7xpw3o]
Paul di Resta - 36 pts[/*:m:1a7xpw3o]
Jenson Button - 33 pts[/*:m:1a7xpw3o]
Adrian Sutil - 23 pts[/*:m:1a7xpw3o]
Sergio Perez - 16 pts[/*:m:1a7xpw3o]
Jean Eric Vergne - 13 pts[/*:m:1a7xpw3o]
Daniel Ricciardo - 11 pts[/*:m:1a7xpw3o]
Nico Hulkenberg - 7 pts[/*:m:1a7xpw3o]

Constructors Championship after 9 Rounds



Red Bull - 250 pts[/*:m:1a7xpw3o]
Mercedes - 183 pts[/*:m:1a7xpw3o]
Ferrari - 180 pts[/*:m:1a7xpw3o]
Lotus - 157 pts[/*:m:1a7xpw3o]
Force India - 59 pts[/*:m:1a7xpw3o]
Mclaren - 49 pts[/*:m:1a7xpw3o]
Toro Rosso - 24 pts[/*:m:1a7xpw3o]
Sauber - 7 pts[/*:m:1a7xpw3o]


So again Seb has a chance to extend his Championship lead, whereas Red Bull have it sealed.

Previous Winners

1986: Nelson Piquet - Williams
1987: Nelson Piquet - Williams
1988: Ayrton Senna - Mclaren
1989: Nigel Mansell - Ferrari
1990: Thierry Boutsen - Williams
1991: Ayrton Senna - Mclaren
1992: Ayrton Senna - Mclaren
1993: Damon Hill - Williams
1994: Michael Schumacher - Benetton
1995: Damon Hill - Williams
1996: Jacques Villeneuve - Williams
1997: Jacques Villeneuve - Williams
1998: Michael Schumacher - Ferrari
1999: Mika Hakkinen - Mclaren
2000: Mika Hakkinen - Mclaren
2001: Michael Schumacher - Ferrari
2002: Rubens Barrichello - Ferrari
2003: Fernando Alonso - Renault
2004: Michael Schumacher - Ferrari
2005: Kimi Raikkonen - Mclaren
2006: Jenson Button - Honda
2007: Lewis Hamilton - Mclaren
2008: Heikki Kovalainen - Mclaren
2009: Lewis Hamilton - Mclaren
2010: Mark Webber - Red Bull
2011: Jenson Button - Mclaren
2012: Lewis Hamilton - Mclaren

Multiple Winners
Michael Schumacher - 4 wins
Ayrton Senna - 3 wins
Lewis Hamilton - 3 wins
Nelson Piquet - 2 wins
Damon Hill - 2 wins
Jaqcues Villeneuve - 2 wins
Mika Hakkinen - 2 wins
Jenson Button - 2 wins

*So Lewis has the chance to win number 4 around Budapest.

Mclaren - 11 wins
Williams - 7 wins
Ferrari - 5 wins

Weather for this weekend

BBC Weather - Budapest (http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/3054643)

[kfzmeister]

*So Lewis has the chance to win number 4 around Budapest.



Pretty impressive from Lewis, i would say. I'll forecast a pole from him, yet the temps are really gonna give him rear tire trouble. I don't really think that Merc (Lewis) will be able to back up the field like in Monaco, so who will take the win?
Can Fernando come up with a miracle with a Soft-soft-medium strategy and an undercut, or too? dare i say a one stopper for Ferrari?
Ohh, one can only hope for that,........an another DNF from The Finger :D

[steveaki13]

Wow. No one interested in the GP this weekend?

Anyway impressive from Seb. I will catch up tomorrow

[truefan72]

so sky coverage were lauding button's great performances in hungary and made particular mention about how he "destroyed his teammate" at this race last year (their words not mine)
nevermind that Hamilton won in 2012, and has won there 3 times including with an abysmal car in 2009, while button had the dominant Brawn.
nevermind the 2011 race where he was dominating until a farcical pit call put him on super softs again, forcing him to make and additional pit stop and then a 10-sec penalty for the diresta incident, all while in the lead. Try as they may, to talk up button, he is certainly never had the measure of hamilton in budapest and was lucky enough to get that one win over him.

In 2012 the tear they were lauding Button, Hamilton was fastest in 2 practice sessions and 2n;d fastest ni the other. Took a dominant pole and lead the race with a strong kimi consistently 1-2 seconds behind. Meanwhile button could not get past senna or half the race, languishing down in the order before finishing in 6th. so much for that :(

[Tazio]

FIA Press conference Hungaroring:




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkYp0WPVbm4

[Tazio]

continued... :confused:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87xhvbtCQCo
- Thursday Press Conference Hungary 2013
Räikkönen:

I don't have twitter

Kimi Man :s ailor:

[Tazio]

Finishing order (if vettel doesn't run away with it). 1:,
Kimi.
2) Alonso just barely ahead of the Boss for a podium, Hey has anyone else noticed that when being taken to some serioud drama, what could Hungary possibly have sequestered.
Hamilton could win but so could 'Zo or some other guys. I wouldn't want to live on the difference :dork:

[donKey jote]

morning gurlz :kiss: :s ailor: :andrea:

[Koz]

I would love to see a Lotus front row.
Maybe, maybe today is that day.

[steveaki13]

Afternoon Donkey

[steveaki13]

we need a Lotus front row to stop a Red Bull white wash

[Koz]

Hai everybady!

[RedBullian1]

continued... :confused:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87xhvbtCQCo
- Thursday Press Conference Hungary 2013
Räikkönen:

I don't have twitter

Kimi Man :s ailor:

Man I really want Kimi to have a Twitter account. I would love to see some of his tweets.

[Koz]

Hahaha, KERS failure for Webbo once again.

[steveaki13]

Mark with KERs Problems.

Wow when did we hear that before.

[webberf1]

Once again indeed. When was the last time that happened to Seb?

[steveaki13]

At least Vettel can win with ease now. ;)

[truefan72]

surprise, surprise, another KERS problem for Webber
...actually not surprised at all

good luck to whoever gets the 2nd seat at RBR

[Koz]

I wonder if he will even make Q3.

[AndyL]

Man I really want Kimi to have a Twitter account. I would love to see some of his tweets.

He'd have no problem keeping under the 140-character limit, that's for sure.

[donKey jote]

please Merc park your busses in front of Vettel for the race :p :andrea:

[Koz]

Pit lane speed limit lowered??

Because we had ONE accident? Isn't this a bit drastic?

[webberf1]

Kimi drifting the last corner :D

[donKey jote]

amazing ham :up:
lucky alo :bandit:

[Koz]

LEWIS!!

Pole? :D

[webberf1]

Hamilton :D

[truefan72]

just woke up the missus!
spilled my cereal
But I don't care!

whooo!

[Tazio]

All right "the Boss" Lucky "Zo" but p5 aint badespecially if he get's a good start, maybe get Rogro at the start. :tattoo: ;)

[airshifter]

Interesting qually. I expect to see both Alonso and Kimi fighting for a podium, and would not at all be shocked if Sebastian and Lewis are not on those steps.

Perez may have a strong strategy as well to move up several places. Unless it cools down the cars on the softer tires will be pitting fairly early.

[Tazio]

Interesting qually. I expect to see both Alonso and Kimi fighting for a podium, and would not at all be shocked if Sebastian and Lewis are not on those steps.



Yep Rogro for a good shot at a podium. I hope he gets it!
Massa with an outside chance :up:

[N4D13]

I was really surprised to see Alonso only 0.4 seconds away from pole and Massa, 0.5. It might be much closer than the previous races and if degradation is high, we might see the Ferraris fighting the Lotuses for the win with the Bulls and specially the Mercs fading.

Of course, it might as well go the other way around but a bit of wishful thinking can't hurt... ;)

[vhatever]

Will hamilton let his vettel inferiority complex get the better of him at the start like the last GP? Hopefully grosjean is ready to pounce on his stupidity.

[Brown, Jon Brow]

Has vhatever ever made a post where he doesn't slag off Hamilton?


I'll eat my hat if Lewis wins tomorrow. Vettel will win and Grosjean will have a strong race for 2nd place. Alonso will complete the podium after a scrap with Hamilton.

[vhatever]

Has vhatever ever made a post where he doesn't slag off Hamilton?


I'll eat my hat if Lewis wins tomorrow. Vettel will win and Grosjean will have a strong race for 2nd place. Alonso will complete the podium after a scrap with Hamilton.


I'd have to pick Hamilton winning over boy blunder Grosjean bringing home second.

So there's one.

[TheFamousEccles]

KERS and gearbox problems, that never happens? :vader:

[Tazio]

Dude, that is the reason I can't pick Mark above 4th in the pickems even on tracks where the RB is especially well suited, because the chances are that (Largely due to technical prob's) Chopper's side of the garage can't put together good reliable weekends (not to say he is as fast as kettle).

[Tazio]

I'd have to pick Hamilton winning over boy blunder Grosjean bringing home second.

So there's one.That's more like it scro. Before you know it you will be an official member of "The Hamiltonians"(a secret society where you could rise to Baron within the Rothschild/Anglo-Aryan-Mafia (for brotha's and their scrub biachez)
Welcome aboard mate. :wave: :angel:


http://images4.fanpop.com/image/photos/22000000/NS-nicole-scherzinger-22040897-500-375.jpg

:s ailor:

[Tazio]

I hope Grosjean does what he did to Vettel in Race of Champions...spank him.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWhGLk68kl8]Romain Grosjean Defeats Sebastien Vettel - 2012 Race of Champions -

[pyro2212]

Grosjean will do big crash!

[Tazio]

into kettle: :angel: ;)

[vhatever]

That's more like it scro. Before you know it you will be an official member of "The Hamiltonians"(a secret society where you could rise to Baron within the Rothschild/Anglo-Aryan-Mafia (for brotha's and their scrub biachez)
Welcome aboard mate. :wave: :angel:


Hamilton is by far the greatest driver ever to win the WDC while riding on the affirmative action card.How am I doing, scro?

[Garry Walker]

Hamilton did a superb job of getting the pole position in an inferior car due to the RB favourite boy messing up his lap, but looking at the practise times (rather, the long stints done in practise sessions), RB was in a completely different league compared to other teams. So it is easy to predict who will win. If the temps are really high, that might help Ferrari and Lotus a little, but I still can't see past RB winning.

[vhatever]

Hamilton did a superb job of getting the pole position in an inferior car due to the RB favourite boy messing up his lap, but looking at the practise times (rather, the long stints done in practise sessions), RB was in a completely different league compared to other teams. So it is easy to predict who will win. If the temps are really high, that might help Ferrari and Lotus a little, but I still can't see past RB winning.

ya it must be hard to put a car on pole that has been on pole for 7 out of the last 10 races. He's really driving the tires off that slow beast, ain't he?

Quality stuff, old boy.

[Garry Walker]

ya it must be hard to put a car on pole that has been on pole for 7 out of the last 10 races. He's really driving the tires off that slow beast, ain't he?

Quality stuff, old boy.

Precious boy of RB has messed up the last two qualis due to mistakes on his deciding laps, he himself and even Helmut Marko admitted that. Otherwise easy poles for RB.

[vhatever]

Precious boy of RB has messed up the last two qualis due to mistakes on his deciding laps, he himself and even Helmut Marko admitted that. Otherwise easy poles for RB.


Too bad merc doesn't have precious driving for them, and they'd be 10 for 10 in qualifying and it would be nonstop complaints about Vettel only winning from pole and driving an invincible Brawnmobile who cheated to get more practice time.

[Garry Walker]

Too bad merc doesn't have precious driving for them, and they'd be 10 for 10 in qualifying and it would be nonstop complaints about Vettel only winning from pole and driving an invincible barwnmobile who cheated to get more practice time.

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[steveaki13]

Afternoon lads and lasses. (Not many lasses though probably)

How are we all.

[steveaki13]

Afternoon lads and lasses.

And Donkeys of course

[donKey jote]

morning gurlz :bandit:

[Sage-sg]

Go Kimi!!!

[veeten]

Roll off lap...

[Koz]

Hai everybody!

[RedBullian1]

Go Seb!

[Koz]

Why was Kimi's ride twitching so much?

[Koz]

Vettel and Grosjean will be ahead of Lewis by end of lap 1.

[veeten]

and here we... GOOOOOO!!!!!

[RedBullian1]

Massa's car super loose.

[Tazio]

Dudez!

[RedBullian1]

Vettel has Hamilton right where he wants him

[truefan72]

naughty by vettel trying to squeeze grosjean off the road

[steveaki13]

Vettel and Grosjean will be ahead of Lewis by end of lap 1.

Or not.

[RedBullian1]

Is DRS enabled yet?

[tfp]

Hamilton will destroy his tyres if he keeps this pace :-(

[donKey jote]

go Gro :D

[Tazio]

Boss pits on lap 9

[steveaki13]

Hammy Pits. And rejoins beind Button. One more lap would have done it

[longisland]

Merc blinked. They are going backwards again

[Koz]

Lewis stuck beting Button. No good.

Good for Grosjean and Vettel to stay out for a while.

[RedBullian1]

Hamilton will destroy his tyres if he keeps this pace :-(

he did. lap 10 pit stop

[Koz]

Go Grosjean!

[veeten]

Man, that Lotus has it's "Dancin' Shoes" on... really making Vettel wince with Gro on his heels there.

[steveaki13]

Hamilton actually further ahead now. 3 or 4 seconds.

[donKey jote]

Go Button :D :D

[kfzmeister]

Go Button :D :D

Vettel: " D-O S-O-M-E-T-H-I-N-G"! :D

[veeten]

"Gro"-ing all over Vettel, like vines... :p

[longisland]

Button gets my vote for mobile chicane of the day

[veeten]

C'mon, Romain... Get him!!! :D

[Koz]

Oh Grosjean... Again?

[Tazio]

Button train

[webberf1]

Well... Vettel under pressure, but he can only blame himself for not being able to overtake JB.

Meanwhile... Alonso coming into podium contention?

[truefan72]

ridiculous sky commenting from brundle
it was 100% button's fault not the other way around. grosjean was ahead of button

shambolic commenting from martin brundle :down:

[truefan72]

stupid briunmdle making his comments even worse
he has thisd situation all wrong
grosjean was ahead and did not cut in front of button
if anything button should be the one to get a penalty for unnecessary contact...and has ruined his race

[Ranger]

ridiculous sky commenting from brundle
it was 100% button's fault not the other way around. grosjean was ahead of button

shambolic commenting from martin brundle :down:

Button cannot make his car disappear from the edge of the road.

[veeten]

exactly, Button shunted Gro, not once but twice on that pass.

[Koz]

Oh great. Looks like Grosjean will get a penalty now...

[webberf1]

Nobody knocks Brundle.

[truefan72]

if they give grosjean a penalty then this will be a fiasco.
grosjean was ahead and on the inside making the move and button instead of conceding the postion, simply tunred in to grosjean

[steveaki13]

er.... they were side by side along a straight. Button on the white line with only grass left and Grosjean failed to leave a cars width turning into the corner.

How is that JBs fault. You cant be one inch ahead and just expect the car to pull onto the grass

[Robinho]

Button had 2 wheels over the white line and still Romain moved over and made contact. Yes he had the position, but he hadn't completed the pass and could not move line while a car was still there. How you can claim that was buttons fault is amazing.

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[webberf1]

Well done Gro.

[Robinho]

Have to say Grosjean made it all up with that move on Massa, that was perfect

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[steveaki13]

What a move by Grosjean there. Respect to Massa for giving room

[ShiftingGears]

stupid briunmdle making his comments even worse
he has thisd situation all wrong
grosjean was ahead and did not cut in front of button
if anything button should be the one to get a penalty for unnecessary contact...and has ruined his race

Grosjean turned left into Button.

[Robinho]

Meanwhile jenson does on Massa exactly what grosjean should have done, just sticking to the middle of the track

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[Robinho]

True fan, I'm sorry but you need to watch the move again. Button did not deviate line, he was against and over the edge of the circuit. Grosjean moved left before taking the 1st part of the chicane. The overhead shot had it perfectly.

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[Robinho]

All that said I hope romain does not get a penalty, he was ahead, and I thought the move on Massa was fine. Just don't see how you could blame button

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[veeten]

Vettel: "Oh, C,mon! Not Button, again!"... :p

[truefan72]

brilliant by hamilton, he really needed to make that pass, and gets drs from alonso
then vettel falls behind button
good!

so that negates the webber advantage
that weas critical

meanwhile what was VdG doing?
get out the way son!

[Koz]

**** you FIA.

[Koz]

And they're going to **** him again for Button the next race.

[truefan72]

what a weak penalty for grosgean
a brilliant pass on massa, and they penalize him?

ridiculous

[RedBullian1]

Wow what an awful penatly. Sucks for Gro

[Robinho]

Gutted for grosjean, he's been having a great race, apart from turning into button, but that didn't really hurt either of them. Have a feeling he'll pick up a penalty for the button incident too, neither really deserve it, but they are so strict. The head on camera of the button and grosjean is particularly damning

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[webberf1]

Wait... does Webber still have a pair of softs to come?

[truefan72]

I'm tired of brundle taking a slag at grosjean, now calling him a cheater :down:

[steveaki13]

Kimi back in the game maybe.

Webber has to stop again for softs? Or have I missed him on Softs

[webberf1]

Btw, vhat happened to that moron who loves riding vettel's jock?

[veeten]

actually, robs, the 'copter/overhead shot told the entire story, from the exit of the curve to the chicane. The problem is that drivers won't see that until the end of the race, and be expected to comment on it.

[Robinho]

All I heard was him saying that the evidence shows grosjean completing a pass by putting all 4 wheels off the track, which is outside the rules. Personally I thought the penalty was harsh, but technically it was the correct application of the rules. Didn't hear him call anyone a cheat

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[steveaki13]

A hand for the marshalls. For getting that Car out of the way with no SC.

[Robinho]

Yes veeten, the overhead said it all, the straight on shot made it look worse, you could see buttons front left in the dust when grosjean moves left into him

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[steveaki13]

Grosjean right behind JB. Tasty

[webberf1]

Button might wanna keep a low profile after this race... seems like almost everyone has had a turn or two being stuck behind him :D

[ShiftingGears]

I'm tired of brundle taking a slag at grosjean, now calling him a cheater :down:

I seemed to have missed Brundle doing anything other than saying what the rules are, and why Grosjean was subsequently penalised. I think you've been seeing what you want to see and hearing what you want to hear during this race.

[truefan72]

slow man button doing his best to hold everyone up lol

[truefan72]

wow hamilton wasting no time taking webber.
a taste of webber's own medicine from years past

it was critical to get past webber

[Robinho]

So how long before Webber develops a mysterious problem to make sure vettel can stay ahead after his last stop?

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[steveaki13]

slow man button doing his best to hold everyone up lol

You're beggining to sound like a Vhat or a Garry. Be careful.

[webberf1]

Wow, Hamilton is so easily the man of this race. Good pace out front, but he has consistently gotten the crucial overtakes done quickly and efficiently. 9.8/10.

[steveaki13]

Wow, Hamilton is so easily the man of this race. Good pace out front, but he has consistently gotten the crucial overtakes done quickly and efficiently. 9.8/10.

Hamilton has been brilliant so far. Better than the rest by far, however still a long way to go, lets not count chickens.

[Tazio]

Alright the boss!!

[veeten]

okay, Vettel has been in, Webber has a couple of laps left then he will cycle back. Ham 1st, Rai 2nd... Hmmm...

[steveaki13]

The Marussia' are a minute behind and a lap behind the Caterhams. No pace for Marussia these days.

[AndyL]

If anyone knows any good hat recipes, could they let Jon know :D

[Koz]

Williams will score a point!

[veeten]

Nico "done blowed up"...

[donKey jote]

Webber been told to give up ? :p

[Koz]

Aha.

KERS failure again?

[Koz]

Webber been told to give up ? :p

They probably turned his KERS off. Or something else.

[donKey jote]

stoopid Pirelli... a two stopper in the Hungarian heat ? :rolleyes:

[donKey jote]

Vettel whiner of the race :down: :rolleyes:

[Koz]

Vettel. What a ****er. Didn't give me enough room.

[truefan72]

"I'll talk to charlie"

lol

ridiculous

[webberf1]

LOL not enough room. Its called racing lil chopper.

[Koz]

I hope Charlie gives Kimi a penalty. I will never watch F1 again.

[donKey jote]

great Ham, Rakka :up:

[Koz]

I want to hear that little twat's interview. I hope he brings this up.

[donKey jote]

Whiner Vettel :down:

[veeten]

sorry Vettel, you took your shot and came up bumpkus. Deal with it, kid.

[webberf1]

Hamilton peerless in this race. Second best... probably Grosjean

[pino]

Great win for Lewis :up:

[kfzmeister]

Can't wait to see Sourpuss' face on the podium. Bwahahahaha.... :D

[truefan72]

tear in my eye
finally!

[AndyL]

Was that an exciting Hungarian Grand Prix we just wached, or did I fall asleep and dream it?

[truefan72]

no cursing chaps

[steveaki13]

What a great Race.

Hamilton with a great win. One of his best I reckon.

Raikkonen from no where to second.


And also Lewis 4 wins in Hungary to tie with MS. Ruler of Hungary

Williams getting a point. At Last

[veeten]

bet ya that Newey will walk over and give that Lotus the 'once over' and be thinking, " how the HELL is that car outpacing my designs... HOW?!!!"

[Garry Walker]

What a disgrace of a penalty to Grosjean, very sad there are so stupid stewards.
A certain person showed once again what a whiner he is. What a loser. Did he forget what he did at the start to Grosjean or is that an alternative reality that is irrelevant? What makes it funny though is Red Bull not getting the win despite having the fastest car again :laugh: That's what you get for not having a driver like Hamilton in your team, not always does the best car help inferior drivers.

Sad to see Ferrari so much off the pace, poor Alonso.

Oh and the performance by Hamilton - wonderful drive, one of the very best of the season. Two critical overtakes on Webber were great.

if they give grosjean a penalty then this will be a fiasco.
grosjean was ahead and on the inside making the move and button instead of conceding the postion, simply tunred in to grosjean
Grosjean turned in, look at the replay.


slow man button doing his best to hold everyone up lol

Get over your hate, Button did very well this race.

[veeten]

Look at Ross, just as pleased as pie. :D

[webberf1]

Kimi's car wasn't faster, Vettel simply dropped the ball and opened the door not being able to get past button.
Meanwhile, I'd say Lewis just delivered the drive of the season, in a car that was not the fastest in either qualifying or race trim.

[EightGear]

Honorable mention to Van der Garde for his best finish yet with P14.

[Garry Walker]

Meanwhile, I'd say Lewis just delivered the drive of the season, in a car that was not the fastest in either qualifying or race trim.

Yep.

[Tazio]

sorry Vettel, you took your shot and came up bumpkus. Deal with it, kid. :up: :wave:

[N4D13]

Well, that was a brilliant drive from Hamilton. It was rather lucky at times but one doesn't win without the fastest car without a slice of luck. He drove perfectly and it was a well-deserved victory.

This was rather OK for an Hungarian GP - more on-track action that we've seen on previous Hungarian GPs, although IMHO a bit dull compared to other races in this season. Personally I don't enjoy it much when positions are decided by strategy rather than fighting on the track. I guess the fact that Alonso didn't have a lot to do today besides trying to keep position made it rather boring for me as well. :P

[AndyL]

Nice to see in the podium interview that Vettel down-played his "heat of the moment" complaints about the incident near the end of the race, and that he and Kimi are pals again.

[N4D13]

Nice to see in the podium interview that Vettel down-played his "heat of the moment" complaints about the incident near the end of the race, and that he and Kimi are pals again.
Not that he is a stranger to putting a good face on for the press. Anyway, I completely understand his frustration because it doesn't feel good to have a faster car for a lot of laps and being unable to overtake.

[truefan72]

You're beggining to sound like a Vhat or a Garry. Be careful.

First of all.
It was plain to see that Button, although doing well today, did play his part in holding up faster cars throughout the racer
second, and more importantly my annoyance has less to do with button and more to do with the sky broadcast team, who seem to have made it a point this weekend to play up button's prowess
and I quote
"a master here in Hungary" said in FP1, despite Hamilton winning 3 times here
"totally destroyed Hamilton in the 2012 race" said in FP2 which was wrong and ridiculous
etc.

He got involved in an incident and i did not agree with the perspective of the sky crew
he then did hold up some of the faster drivers, which i'm not complaining about since it benefited hamilton
that's pretty much the breadth of my annoyance. if he drives brilliantly in the next race and does well. i'll applaud his efforts
as i've done in the past as recently as Monaco this year, where he did very well

don't be so quick to or shortsighted to lump me in with those likes.
one is still allowed to criticize actions right?

[Sage-sg]

Great race! Kimi the best! I have enjoyed every moment the race!

[steveaki13]

Grosjean has just said sorry for his move left on Button.

Rightly was miffed about his Penalty though

[steveaki13]

don't be so quick to or shortsighted to lump me in with those likes.
one is still allowed to criticize actions right?

Yer I am sorry. I was wrong to say that.

You're not in that bracket. I thought you seemed to be laying into JB a bit much, and over reacted.

Sorry Truefan. :)

[truefan72]

Grosjean has just said sorry for his move left on Button.

Rightly was miffed about his Penalty though

your thoughts are being echoed by Davidson who is just as miffed about the massa incident penalty
if anything he could have gotten one for gaining a spot from cutting the chicane in the button incident
but I still think his initial move on button was fine and if anything button,knowing that he did not have the lead over him, nor the inside line to the corner should have backed off, instead of potentially ruining his front wing and cutting grosjeans rear tire. The squeeze only happened because button refused to concede

meanwhile alonso takes a shot at grosjean :rolleyes:

[truefan72]

Yer I am sorry. I was wrong to say that.

You're not in that bracket. I thought you seemed to be laying into JB a bit much, and over reacted.

Sorry Truefan. :)

fair enough
I do admit I was a bit perturbed during the race
...things might have been said, in not the nicest of ways on my part
;)

[vhatever]

Kimi's car wasn't faster, Vettel simply dropped the ball and opened the door not being able to get past button.
Meanwhile, I'd say Lewis just delivered the drive of the season, in a car that was not the fastest in either qualifying or race trim.


What a joke. The merc has been on pole 7 out of 10 times. It's not the car's fault both merc drivers suck on race day.

[Tazio]

have to start sucking major ass

http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/pc/Lewis+Hamilton+Lewis+Hamilton+Flips+Off+Photogs+0F bWI7p1Rp_l.jpg

[Brown, Jon Brow]

What a joke. The merc has been on pole 7 out of 10 times. It's not the car's fault both merc drivers suck on race day.

You have accused Gary several times recently of living in an alternative reality, in what alternative reality does one live in that you can't see that at certain circuits the Merc melts its tyres?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3b/Paris_Tuileries_Garden_Facepalm_statue.jpg/300px-Paris_Tuileries_Garden_Facepalm_statue.jpg

[truefan72]

http://l.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/G9ZcpkC4NbkanlVMv_ED.A--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Y2g9MzYwO2NyPTE7Y3c9NjQwO2R4PTA7ZH k9MDtmaT11bGNyb3A7aD0zNTU7cT04NTt3PTYzMA--/http://media.zenfs.com/en_GB/Sports/Eurosport/1066452-17040674-640-360.jpg

Best way to wrap up this thread

[vhatever]

You have accused Gary several times recently of living in a alternative reality, in what alternative reality does one live in that you can't see that at certain circuits the Merc melts its tyres?



Redbull had the same problems-- and without the benefit of 7 out of 10 poles. and remind me, where is Vettel in the WDC, again?

[Brown, Jon Brow]

Redbull had the same problems-- and without the benefit of 7 out of 10 poles.

Not nearly to the same extent.

[vhatever]

Not nearly to the same extent.


How do you know? Be very specific.

[Brown, Jon Brow]

How do you know? Be very specific.

I have eyes that can read the lap times and look at the drop off in performance.

[andyone]

i let those who want to talk, talk. but im happy Lewis has won , very happy and im going to drink some whiskey.. :eek:

[vhatever]

I have eyes that can read the lap times and look at the drop off in performance.

AKA "you have no idea".

[Brown, Jon Brow]

It's hardly a secret in the F1 paddock that the Mercedes is the hardest car on its tyres. Anybody who saw the Chinese, Spanish, Canadian or German GPs knows it too.

[vhatever]

It's hardly a secret in the F1 paddock that the Mercedes is the hardest car on its tyres. Anybody who saw the Chinese, Spanish, Canadian or German GPs knows it too.


And how much of a factor does lack of talent at merc play into their tire problems? hamilton has never been good on his car or his tires. In fact, the moron throttle-brakes into corners. What kind of toll does such ****ty driving have on tire wear/performance?

Be specific and cite your credentials.

[Brown, Jon Brow]

He didn't have any problems at McLaren looking after his tyres last year. Yet Rosberg and Schumacher struggled with horrible tyre wear in both 2011 and 2012. Does it strike you as a coincidence Hamilton has started to have tyre issues this year now he is in a Mercedes?

[vhatever]

He didn't have any problems at McLaren looking after his tyres last year. Yet Rosberg and Schumacher struggled with horrible tyre wear in both 2011 and 2012. Does it strike you as a coincidence Hamilton has started to have tyre issues this year now he is in a Mercedes?

Everyone ahs had issues with the tires since Pirelli started to make them. do you even watch F1 or just post on f1 forums?

[Brown, Jon Brow]

Everyone ahs had issues with the tires since Pirelli started to make them. do you even watch F1 or just post on f1 forums?

So all teams wear the tyres at exactly the same rate then?

[vhatever]

So all teams wear the tyres at exactly the same rate then?


Nope. But we have no idea if the RB is more hard on its tires than merc is. that's nothing but speculation. for all you know the RB is harder on its tires, just their drivers ahve adapted better.

[Brown, Jon Brow]

Nope. But we have no idea if the RB is more hard on its tires than merc is. that's nothing but speculation. for all you know the RB is harder on its tires, just their drivers ahve adapted better.

You mean like when Vettel was looking after his tyres today by lighting them up everytime he came out of turn 2?

[vhatever]

You mean like when Vettel was looking after his tyres today by lighting them up everytime he came out of turn 2?

Only when he had the tire wear to spare. Unlike Hamilton bitching at his race engineer for telling him to take a bit off cause of possible overheating. What happens 3-4 laps later? the other merc engine went kaput?

Great job hamilton.

What a moron.

[Brown, Jon Brow]

Only when he had the tire wear to spare.Unlike Hamilton bitching at his race engineer for telling him to take a bit off cause of possible overheating. What happens 3-4 laps later? the other merc engine went kaput?

Great job hamilton.

What a moron.

And did he have tyre wear to spare every lap because, I don't know, maybe the Red Bull isn't as hard on tyres as the Mercedes?

[vhatever]

And did he have tyre wear to spare every lap because, I don't know, maybe the Red Bull isn't as hard on tyres as the Mercedes?


The only time he was burning his tires up was when he was released by his engineer. Considering your constant lies about this race, it's hardly surprising you lie about this, too.

[Brown, Jon Brow]

The only time he was burning his tires up was when he was released by his engineer. Considering your constant lies about this race, it's hardly surprising you lie about this, too.

He was doing it in every stint. The Mercedes boys were both told to take a shallower line through the exit of turn 2 to save the tyres, the Red Bulls clearly didn't have to that, which must be due to a car that is lighter on its tyres than the Merc.

Please stop calling me a liar.

[vhatever]

He was doing it in every stint. The Mercedes boys were both told to take a shallower line through the exit of turn 2 to save the tyres, the Red Bulls clearly didn't have to that, which must be due to a car that is lighter on its tyres than the Merc.

Please stop calling me a liar.


I already showed you admitting you lied, so spare me the nonsnense about calling you out on them. news flash: some cars are stronger at different places on the track. those are the spots they will try their best to overtake someone. unlike the merc, the Rb has wlays lacked the straight line speed of other top teams so has to push hard during cornering or they would never pass anyone. Christ dude, buy a clue. a two year old who just started watching f1 today would understand that.

you are just making crap up, like your lies about the race coverage, to coverup the overrated joke of Lewy hamilton.

[Brown, Jon Brow]

You haven't proved I lied once, so quit the personal insults.

Prove to me that the Red Bull is as hard on its tyres as the Mercedes then, if you won't accept the obvious evidence that the rest of us can see.

[Tazio]

Zo :eek:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BQRh2LmCAAA1XFu.jpg:large

:uhoh: :angel:

[N4D13]

Kudos to Massa for saying that Grosjean's penalty was wrong (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/109070). ;)

[Dr. Krogshöj]

By the way, Bernie Ecclestone signed a contract extension with the Hungarian government just before the race through 2021. Also, a record attendance was announced with 247,000 for the weekend and 99,000 for Sunday.

[airshifter]

Zo :eek:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BQRh2LmCAAA1XFu.jpg:large

:uhoh: :angel:

It would be nice if they released the investigation and data about this. Depending on when it happened it could have well cost Grosjean a position. Suprised Ferrari/Fred slipped like this.



Kudos to Massa for saying that Grosjean's penalty was wrong (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/109070). ;)

I wasn't aware of that, but class act for doing so.




Overall a good race IMO.

Lewis used the pace when needed and pulled the gap. Other than his first pit entry (waaay up on the curbs) a very clean race for him.

Kimi drove in the shadows and was not noticed much of the race... right up until the came back into the light and kept Seb from getting by him. Good fighting and solid pace.

Grosjean was robbed with the penalty IMO. I've yet to see an angle where all four wheels were off. His move on Button was his fault though IMO.

Seb is feeling the pressure and it was obvious from all his lock ups and tire abuse. If the other teams can keep the pressure up and lessen the car gap his weakness shows. The team seems solid, but IMO Seb shakes easy if he doesn't maintain domination in the car.

[truefan72]

why did Ferrari and alonso escape punishment?
to me that is worse than the massa incident with grosjean. because they penalized Grosjean for a strict interpetation of the rules technicality, which was not done intentionaly, and mor for avoidance of a collision.
meanwhile alonso is blatantly abusing the drs to either gain an advantage or hold of his pursuer, in both cases illegally
but not worthy of a penalty?

as i said, the marshals are the true donkey's of this race

[dj_bytedisaster]

meanwhile alonso is blatantly abusing the drs to either gain an advantage or hold of his pursuer, in both cases illegally
but not worthy of a penalty?

Have you checked the make of car he's driving? Since when have the same rules that everyone else has to obey been applied to Ferrari?

Overall a great race. Nice to see Lewis finally get his first Merc win and to all, who said last year that the transfer to Merc was daft - "IN YOUR FACE!" :D

[N4D13]

meanwhile alonso is blatantly abusing the drs
I don't think you should use the word "blatantly" here. Here's the explanation from the stewards:

"The DRS enabling system was not changed by the team from the pre-race to the race setting," said a stewards' statement.
"The driver therefore incorrectly received 'DRS enabled' messages and reacted to them (when not entitled to) on three occasions.
"As soon as the team became aware of the problem they informed the driver to only use DRS when told to do so by the team.
"Whilst a small sporting advantage (less than one second over the entire race) was gained, the team argued #3 also suffered a disadvantage by being unable to use DRS on every legitimate occasion.

"However, the team is ultimately responsible for ensuring the system conforms to the regulations."

[Garry Walker]

I don't think you should use the word "blatantly" here. Here's the explanation from the stewards:

"The DRS enabling system was not changed by the team from the pre-race to the race setting," said a stewards' statement.

How can such an oversight happen? Very unprofessional from Ferrari.

[Koz]

Does anyone remember Button's DRS being activated when there was no one in front of him?

What happened about that?

[AndyL]

Does anyone remember Button's DRS being activated when there was no one in front of him?

What happened about that?

Was that when he was being followed by Vettel, and there was a head-on shot of them coming out of the final corner and down the straight? If it's the occasion I'm thinking of, they had just lapped a Marussia, so I'm guessing Button waited until after the DRS detection point before passing the lapped car.

[Brown, Jon Brow]

Regarding the Grosjean penalty, yes it did seem a bit unfair, because it was a fantastic bit of driving. But if all 4 wheels crossed the white line then he has gone of track to complete a move. If you remember the German GP last year when Vettel used the run-off at the hairpin to pass Button, then the rules have been enforced consistently on this occasion.

[zako85]

The 2012 Hungarian gp, literally made me fall asleep, so I didn't have high expectations of this race. However, I was pleasantly surprised. Hamilton drove excellently, and most of the time his number 1 position was "safe", but the battle for 2nd,3,4,5th,etc positions was epic.

[The Black Knight]

I don't get peoples issue is with Vettel's heat of the moment comment. I don't believe there's anyone on here that can ever say they didn't say something in the heat of the moment which they didn't regret later. It's life, we're human, we learn from it. Get over it.

Kudos to Vettel for admitting his error afterwards. Another man would not have done that so publicly.

[Tazio]

I don't get peoples issue is with Vettel's heat of the moment comment.

Nobody above the age of 12 really actually gives a sh!t about any of that crap, do they? :dozey:

[wedge]

Hottest race of the year and yet Merc did not suffer from severe rear thermal deg - what's wrong with this picture?

[Tazio]

Does anyone remember Button's DRS being activated when there was no one in front of him?

What happened about that?Yes I noticed that as did many others :dozey:

[truefan72]

I don't get peoples issue is with Vettel's heat of the moment comment. I don't believe there's anyone on here that can ever say they didn't say something in the heat of the moment which they didn't regret later. It's life, we're human, we learn from it. Get over it.

Kudos to Vettel for admitting his error afterwards. Another man would not have done that so publicly.

I made light of it as it happened
but at least now, in thepost race comments ( unlike some other times)
He accepted the red mist situation and properly explained himself.
I have no problem with the eventual outcome.
It was funny and foolish as it happened but naturally corrected with a bit of hindsight

[immashek]

It does not approach me.

[Ari33]

I don't get peoples issue is with Vettel's heat of the moment comment. I don't believe there's anyone on here that can ever say they didn't say something in the heat of the moment which they didn't regret later. It's life, we're human, we learn from it. Get over it.

Kudos to Vettel for admitting his error afterwards. Another man would not have done that so publicly.

Well said sir. my thoughts exactly, Kudos indeed.