Pacific Rim

[veeten]

Great movie. :D Daniel, I know that you would love it, being the Mecha-Warrior fiend that you are. :p :

[Koz]

Would you say better than Man of Steel or Lone Ranger?

[donKey jote]

Oh it's a movie...

I thought the thread title refered to what Billy's missus gets up to over at Alca-Vajizzle's :andrea:

[markabilly]

Another bad habit she got from you using your tongue

[Bagwan]

Would you say she can use her tongue better than Man of Steel or the Lone Ranger ?

[Rollo]

How is this film different in principle to the anime Neon Genesis Evangelion?

[markabilly]

Would you say she can use her tongue better than Man of Steel or the Lone Ranger ?
I don't know. However, she is better than donKey because I don't have to close my eyes and she makes less gurgling slurping and moaning noises while bringing a smile to my face :D

[gadjo_dilo]

I don't know. However, she is better than donKey because I don't have to close my eyes and she makes less gurgling slurping and moaning noises while bringing a smile to my face :D

You mean you 'experienced' such things with donkey and he disapointed you? :confused:

[markabilly]

You mean you 'experienced' such things with donkey and he disapointed you? :confused:

Well, before you and baggie gets all your feelings hurt and bent out of shape, I admit that you both outdid him.......happy now?

[gadjo_dilo]

Nahhhhh.......As far as I'm concerned unhappiness is a chronic disease.

[markabilly]

Nahhhhh.......As far as I'm concerned unhappiness is a chronic disease.well maybe you should try drowning down some of my kool aid special?? Worked wonders for about 900 people down in Jonestown a few years ago when served up by the good reverend-preacher man Jimmie Jones. They not unhappy no more, for sure enough.--------Emil Cioran never drank the good stuff or he would not have been saying such things

[schmenke]

Ah, I thought this was a thread about rugby :dozey:

[markabilly]

Ah, I thought this was a thread about rugby :dozey: I don't know her---but I might want to, so whereabouts do she hang out???

[Tazio]

"Rugby" is short for rug burn, he/she hangs out with donkey's he-missus....on a corner in the Raval district of Barcelona :angel:

[gadjo_dilo]

well maybe you should try drowning down some of my kool aid special?? Worked wonders for about 900 people down in Jonestown a few years ago when served up by the good reverend-preacher man Jimmie Jones. They not unhappy no more, for sure enough.--------Emil Cioran never drank the good stuff or he would not have been saying such things
Collective suicides are too trivial for my style. As my pal Cioran says 'the deepest and most organic death is death in solitude, when even light becomes a principle of death' :p

[Bagwan]

I don't know. However, she is better than donKey because I don't have to close my eyes and she makes less gurgling slurping and moaning noises while bringing a smile to my face :D

It's nice she bought you an ice cream cone , too .

Good girl .

[Bagwan]

Well, before you and baggie gets all your feelings hurt and bent out of shape, I admit that you both outdid him.......happy now?

I scoop a hell of a cone , and organic to boot .
Nobody scoops like the bagwan .

[BleAivano]

Bah this (http://collider.com/wp-content/uploads/star-wars-galaxy-map.jpg) is the real rim. ;)

[anthonyvop]

Just the trailer gives me a headache. Makes the plot of "Sharknado" seem downright plausible.


FYI Go see "the Way Way Back" best movie I have seen this summer.

[TheFamousEccles]

How is this film different in principle to the anime Neon Genesis Evangelion?

I think on the face of it (not yet seen the movie) that the principle difference would be that Neon Genesis has some hard philosophical and theological subtext to it, while Pacific Rim is Good Guys (USA) v bad guys (monsters, everyone else), and not much else. I could be wrong but I will wait for the DVD to correct myself if necessary.

As for NGE - I am a major tragic for this anime. There was a rumour of a live-action version with a large WETA studio involvement, but it seems to have gone cold. Does anyone know more?

[Big Ben]

seen it, didn't like it. want my money back.

[donKey jote]

That's what they all say about Billy's missus :s ailor: :andrea:

[MrJan]

Seen it, it was alright I suppose but feel a bit ripped off for £10. Plenty of plot inconsistencies too and the last hour was ruined when I realised that they could have easily piloted the things remotely. Also what's the point of using shipping containers as weapons, the robot arms are made of metal anyway.

[anthonyvop]

There is hope for humanity. In spite of millions of $$$s spent on marketing Pacific Rim opened in 3rd place in the weekend box-office.

You guys realize that the Plot is a rip off of Godzilla right?

[MrJan]

You guys realize that the Plot is a rip off of Godzilla right?

Godzilla meets Cloverfield meets Transformers. Original large scale action films are generally going to owe a big debt of gratitude to some other story/film though, but that's not the point of them so I don't see the issue.

[CaptainRaiden]

Also what's the point of using shipping containers as weapons, the robot arms are made of metal anyway.

So that the jaeger doesn't damage its arms. Why do we hit stuff with a bat? Why not just use our bones? Besides it was to show how the pilots practicing with sticks do in actual combat.


You guys realize that the Plot is a rip off of Godzilla right?

God, it's not a rip off. It ties into the Godzilla plot. They've already announced it for the Godzilla movie in 2014.

Old Japanese Godzilla stories have them battling with mechas eventually. Mechagodzilla - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mechagodzilla)


Godzilla meets Cloverfield meets Transformers.

About Godzilla, see above. Cloverfield was nothing but an American rip-off of the Godzilla legend.

I don't get the comparison with transformers, other than being robots. They are an alien species battling their enemies from their home planet. And they're much smaller. Even one of the biggest transformers won't reach the knees of a jaeger. The scale is completely different. Jaegers are mecha robots made and controlled by humans to fight large aliens. Completely different.

This article might help clear a lot of the confusion - Mecha - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mecha)

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Anyway, I saw it and loved it. Having been an anime fan all my life, it was impressive to see massive mechas come to life on the big screen. Even though the premise is similar to other Hollywood disaster stories, but the idea is new and refreshing. Been a fan of Guillermo Del Toro's work as well, the guy is a genius, and knows how to implement a good idea. Loved it.

[CaptainRaiden]

How is this film different in principle to the anime Neon Genesis Evangelion?

I would call it a somewhat modified version of NGE. EVA units weren't this big, and they had a more cyborg theme going on with them. Pacific Rim is definitely inspired by NGE, but the scale is much bigger. And that is what's impressive:

https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/1005316_551443324902059_1288541721_n.jpg

[Malbec]

About Godzilla, see above. Cloverfield was nothing but an American rip-off of the Godzilla legend.


I wouldn't say rip-off, more a film that paid homage to the Japanese original as suggested by various things in the film like the central character celebrating his transfer to Tokyo at the start of the movie. I'd put Pacific Rim in the same category as well as the director Del Toro is more than happy to admit.

[CaptainRaiden]

I wouldn't say rip-off, more a film that paid homage to the Japanese original as suggested by various things in the film like the central character celebrating his transfer to Tokyo at the start of the movie. I'd put Pacific Rim in the same category as well as the director Del Toro is more than happy to admit.

I agree. I used that word to sort of speak the same language of people who are calling this a rip-off, without actually knowing the history behind pretty much all Japanese manga and anime, where giant mecha have been battling kaiju for the past 50+ years. Pacific Rim is just another take, or I'd say an impressive addition to the mecha vs kaiju universe.

The monster in Cloverfield is a reimagination of Godzilla, just as many other monsters have been. In the same way, the original Godzilla in the 1950s may have been inspired by something else.

There are no real rip-offs of anything anymore, just because there are no new ideas. Everything is inspired by something else that has been done before. Every major Hollywood sci fi or action movie, including Matrix, Terminator, Independence Day, Avatar etc. in the past 20+ years has been either inspired or some even shamelessly copied (frame-by-frame) from a Japanese manga or anime. Yet nobody calls them a rip-off.

[Koz]

Godzilla meets Cloverfield meets Transformers. Original large scale action films are generally going to owe a big debt of gratitude to some other story/film though, but that's not the point of them so I don't see the issue.

Godzilla meets Transformers meets Independence day.

The dialogue is very cheesy and cliché. Terrible, terrible acting. Terrible plot for the most part. But some interesting concepts are left unexplored.

This is a film for children. Or adults who enjoy robots with swords. The film was disappointing, but then again, what could anyone expect here??
It isn't really fair to be disappointed here.

[CaptainRaiden]

This is a film for children.

Which worldwide disaster movie in the history of cinema would you say is strictly for adults?

[veeten]

The monster in Cloverfield is a reimagination of Godzilla, just as many other monsters have been. In the same way, the original Godzilla in the 1950s may have been inspired by something else.

The original "King Kong" movie, 1933, and later "Mighty Joe Young" in 1949. Interesting that both movies were made by the same creative team at that time.
I give you your 'inspiration'.

[Starter]

Though not technically a disaster movie, I liked 'A Boy and His Dog'. Starred Don Johnson, I think before he did the TV show 'Miami Vice'.

[CaptainRaiden]

The original "King Kong" movie, 1933, and later "Mighty Joe Young" in 1949. Interesting that both movies were made by the same creative team at that time.
I give you your 'inspiration'.

That is the point. You will find similarities between every story and script ever written. There is no longer an absolutely, completely original idea. You don't even have to dig much deeper and you will find something similar that was done before in the same or another culture. Originality these days has pretty much boiled down to how much can you modify or add to the existing idea.

[Jag_Warrior]

The belief that there is no way to develop and introduce new ideas or concepts is not a new one (either). This belief has been around for a few thousand years:

Ecclesiastes 1:9 - The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.

I do not subscribe to this belief. It excuses lazy thinking and unimaginative writing. I have not seen this movie and I'm not talking about it, in particular. But in general terms, modern Hollywood relies heavily on focus groups to determine which storyline will have the broadest appeal... and make the most money. Movies will sometimes have alternate endings shot, just so the one that has the broadest appeal can be inserted into the movie. Hollywood is not so concerned with having original storylines or scripts. I seldom watch Hollywood movies any longer. I just can't afford to damage what few functioning brain cells I have left. But every now & again I will watch an independent film which blows my mind. One example was Incendies. I can't say that I enjoyed it - to say that would suggest that there really is something wrong with me. But it was a movie that reached inside me and touched parts of my soul that I didn't even know existed. While war, rape, torture, star-crossed love, death and incest are not entirely unique concepts, when combined in an amazingly well written script, with excellent acting, the viewer may find himself in a state of confusion, if not distress, after viewing such a movie. And at least for me, that is a sure sign that I have seen something pretty darn unique.

But movies like Incendies are not made for the LCD (least common denominator) and they tend not to make a lot of money. So that's why Hollywood does not/cannot/will not make them. Bang bang, boom boom and plenty of CGI special effects are the way of the day now.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATzNh1nlJWc

[Koz]

Which worldwide disaster movie in the history of cinema would you say is strictly for adults?

Does The Road count?

I would just prefer movies and characters to be somewhat "believable" rather than one dimensional characters with cheesy one liners in a storyline that isn't 100% predictable. Maybe a bit less of those terrible fake accents would be nice, too.

Some emotion perhaps? The only thing Pacific Rim was lacking was a big sloppy kiss at the end.

Am I asking for too much?

[CaptainRaiden]

The belief that there is no way to develop and introduce new ideas or concepts is not a new one (either). This belief has been around for a few thousand years:

Ecclesiastes 1:9 - The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.

I do not subscribe to this belief. It excuses lazy thinking and unimaginative writing. I have not seen this movie and I'm not talking about it, in particular. But in general terms, modern Hollywood relies heavily on focus groups to determine which storyline will have the broadest appeal... and make the most money. Movies will sometimes have alternate endings shot, just so the one that has the broadest appeal can be inserted into the movie. Hollywood is not so concerned with having original storylines or scripts. I seldom watch Hollywood movies any longer. I just can't afford to damage what few functioning brain cells I have left. But every now & again I will watch an independent film which blows my mind. One example was Incendies. I can't say that I enjoyed it - to say that would suggest that there really is something wrong with me. But it was a movie that reached inside me and touched parts of my soul that I didn't even know existed. While war, rape, torture, star-crossed love, death and incest are not entirely unique concepts, when combined in an amazingly well written script, with excellent acting, the viewer may find himself in a state of confusion, if not distress, after viewing such a movie. And at least for me, that is a sure sign that I have seen something pretty darn unique.

But movies like Incendies are not made for the LCD (least common denominator) and they tend not to make a lot of money. So that's why Hollywood does not/cannot/will not make them. Bang bang, boom boom and plenty of CGI special effects are the way of the day now.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATzNh1nlJWc

I know this first hand, as I was part of an indie film crew (actor, cameraman, and editor :D ). In fact, while I may have moved on, a large part of my friends circle to this day are still struggling filmmakers in Mumbai making independent movies on subjects that will never gain acceptance in mainstream Bollywood. They could easily get into the mainstream movies and be part of the crowd, but they choose to struggle to bring better stuff for the mainstream Indian viewers. We all know the kind of crap that Bollywood dishes out to please the masses.

Even in the indie scene, much like mainstream cinema, most of the ideas have been explored, all that we see really are either daring combinations or different takes on the same premise by talented individuals, and I find that interesting always. I have read at least 3 interesting scripts written by friends that are inspired by past movies, but it doesn't mean they are not original.

[CaptainRaiden]

Does The Road count?

Nope. Sure, it's a gritty movie and certainly not very PG, but it's nowhere near some of the really twisted psychological thrillers or horror flicks that are out there. I can definitely see a child watching it without getting grossed out or scarred and maybe even enjoying it.

Besides you can't really compare it with Pacific Rim, it's like apples and oranges. The whole premise is different. Pacific Rim doesn't try to be an adult, gritty movie. It's giant mecha fighting giant monsters, I mean come on! You are looking at it from the wrong lens. IMO it did great for what it is, especially because there is no other movie quite like it.


I would just prefer movies and characters to be somewhat "believable" rather than one dimensional characters with cheesy one liners in a storyline that isn't 100% predictable.

Some emotion perhaps? The only thing Pacific Rim was lacking was a big sloppy kiss at the end.

Am I asking for too much?

Judging by the favorable reviews it's getting, I think a lot of critics (paid or not :p ) disagree with you:


The Daily Telegraph's Robbie Collin awarded the film five stars out of five, likening the experience of watching it to rediscovering a favorite childhood cartoon. He praised del Toro for investing his own affection for the genre and sense of artistry into the project in such a way that the viewer found themselves immersed in the film rather than watching from afar, noting the director had catered to younger and older audiences alike and expressed surprise that the film could rise above the sum of its parts.


Maybe a bit less of those terrible fake accents would be nice, too.

This part I didn't really get. I mean Idris Elba is British, so he spoke in his own accent. Rinko is Japanese, she had her own accent. Yeah, the main protagonist is British I think, and put on an American accent, but then again, who doesn't these days? These are really small nitpicks I'm afraid.

[Koz]

The Road? You asked for an disaster example. I wouldn't consider it a horror really.


Pacific Rim doesn't try to be an adult, gritty movie. It's giant mecha fighting giant monsters, I mean come on! You are looking at it from the wrong lens. IMO it did great for what it is, especially because there is no other movie quite like it.

I disagree there is quite a lot like this film. Seems a little too unoriginal for my taste. A lot is borrowed from Mr Roland Emmerich, is this supposed to be a tribute?

Yeah, it is fine with what it is. Like I said before, it is disappointing, but we really shouldn't be disappointed by it.

My main reason for being disappointed is that it is dumbed down, targeted specifically at pre-teens. The complete lack of seriousness is a killer, so are the stolen ideas and the exact ending from Independence day (really? is it that hard to have something original? even a tad?). If a cheesy one liners crappy acting and story do it for critics... Can't say much.


This part I didn't really get. I mean Idris Elba is British, so he spoke in his own accent. Rinko is Japanese, she had her own accent. Yeah, the main protagonist is British I think, and put on an American accent, but then again, who doesn't these days? These are really small nitpicks I'm afraid.

Idris Elba's accent doesn't sound authentic. Seems to be an Americanized version of some British accent. Not the one he had in Luther, was it?
But the god awful Australian accents are what got me.

[CaptainRaiden]

The Road? You asked for an disaster example. I wouldn't consider it a horror really.

Well, it wasn't really an 'ongoing disaster' movie. More post apocalyptic, and they tried to make certain aspects horrifying, especially with the cannibalism and whatnot.


I disagree there is quite a lot like this film. Seems a little too unoriginal for my taste. A lot is borrowed from Mr Roland Emmerich, is this supposed to be a tribute?

I don't know about the alternate universe, but in this one I have never seen a movie with giant mecha battling huge ass monsters. And when has Emmerich ever made a mecha movie? His pathetic attempt at Godzilla was with a mutated lizard, nothing to do with aliens. Independence Day was the U.S. military fighting an alien military force. And I don't think any other Hollywood director has explored the mecha universe before. So, yes, in that way this is a groundbreaking movie.


Yeah, it is fine with what it is. Like I said before, it is disappointing, but we really shouldn't be disappointed by it.

There are going to be sequels, and knowing Del Toro's work, he can deliver an even better product next time. :)


My main reason for being disappointed is that it is dumbed down, targeted specifically at pre-teens. The complete lack of seriousness is a killer, so are the stolen ideas and the exact ending from Independence day (really? is it that hard to have something original? even a tad?). If a cheesy one liners crappy acting and story do it for critics... Can't say much.

Agreed that it didn't have a serious tone, but I think that's exactly what the director went for, a little comic book feel. And as The Dark Knight Rises proved, sometimes too much of a dark tone ruins things. The Avengers was such a huge success because they didn't make it too serious. The sequels of Pacific Rim will be grittier I am sure.


Idris Elba's accent doesn't sound authentic. Seems to be an Americanized version of some British accent. Not the one he had in Luther, was it? But the god awful Australian accents are what got me.

I honestly don't care about accents anymore. IMO it takes the fun away from a movie if you're sitting there wondering what accent is the actor putting on. If I did care, I wouldn't have been able to sit through the Sherlock Holmes movies with Downey Jr's weird pseudo English accent.

[TheFamousEccles]

Loved the Mecha graphic, Captain. Have it as a wallpaper now.