Monaco driver of the race

[dj_bytedisaster]

For me - Sutil. Only driver to understand what the word racing means.

Honourary mention: Kimi for teaching that Mexican idiot a lesson at the expense of own points. The man deserves a medal.

[Ranger]

Rosberg.

[N4D13]

Rosberg - although he's more like the driver of the weekend. Sutil drove a fine race too.

[A FONDO]

Sutil

[kfzmeister]

The Rosberg. Piloting the Mercedes Bus. :)

[longisland]

Sutil and Rosberg for obvious reason. Mark and Lewis for giving the move of the race. Raikonen for somehow keeping the point streak alive. This is definitely one of the better races. No DRS pass, no tire issues and we now have people complaining the race being boring because it was a procession. Can't have it both ways I supposed.

[dj_bytedisaster]

No DRS pass, no tire issues and we now have people complaining the race being boring

That's not true. There were massive tire issues. Cars were doing no faster than 1:19 throughout the whole "race". Kimi and Vettel proved shortly before the finish that the cars were capable of 1:16's, meaning that drivers were deliberately going whole seconds slower than what the cars were capable of. I'd say that's a huge tire issue. What we saw was a consistency run as you might have seen in a historic car rally - a race it was not.

[N4D13]

That's not true. There were massive tire issues. Cars were doing no faster than 1:19 throughout the whole "race". Kimi and Vettel proved shortly before the finish that the cars were capable of 1:16's, meaning that drivers were deliberately going whole seconds slower than what the cars were capable of. I'd say that's a huge tire issue. What we saw was a consistency run as you might have seen in a historic car rally - a race it was not.
It's a shame your hatred towards Pirelli is so blinding that you're unable to see the reason why drivers were able to lap whole seconds slower than what they were supposed to - that it is nearly impossible to overtake in Monaco. Take refuelling out of the equation and, with almost no on-track overtaking, the only way to overtake is through strategy. If nursing their tyres is the only way drivers have to go up the order, that's what everyone is going to do. So there were no tyre issues, just circuit issues.

[dj_bytedisaster]

It's a shame your hatred towards Pirelli is so blinding that you're unable to see the reason why drivers were able to lap whole seconds slower than what they were supposed to

This driving slow malarkey has been there since the start of the season on every track, not just Monaco.

[christophulus]

Rosberg and Sutil were excellent, but I'd also (controversially?) give a mention to Perez for proving overtaking is perfectly possible if you're committed. I don't think the collision with Raikkonen was entirely his fault.

[ioan]

It's a shame your hatred towards Pirelli is so blinding that you're unable to see the reason why drivers were able to lap whole seconds slower than what they were supposed to - that it is nearly impossible to overtake in Monaco. Take refuelling out of the equation and, with almost no on-track overtaking, the only way to overtake is through strategy. If nursing their tyres is the only way drivers have to go up the order, that's what everyone is going to do. So there were no tyre issues, just circuit issues.

It's a shame you chose to attack the poster because he doesn't support your wrong views.
Here, this is what drivers have to say:

Monaco GP: Mark Webber doubts Mercedes' tyre test influenced win - F1 news - AUTOSPORT.com (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/107685)



"We were basically saving the tyres and making the one-stop work," he said.

"All the drivers were having to nurse their cars very aggressively.

"Generally we were just driving around, protecting tyres and waiting for the chequered flag."


Next time think before attacking other forum members, and maybe get some info too from those involved, it's available for free you just need to read it. :\

[ioan]

Rosberg and Sutil were excellent, but I'd also (controversially?) give a mention to Perez for proving overtaking is perfectly possible if you're committed. I don't think the collision with Raikkonen was entirely his fault.

Kimi changed his line in the breaking zone, a big no go, that is Kimi's fault, what was Perez supposed to do? Evaporate?

[N. Jones]

Sutil drove very well.

[ShiftingGears]

Kimi changed his line in the breaking zone, a big no go, that is Kimi's fault, what was Perez supposed to do? Evaporate?

Yes, I agree. I thought Kimi caused the accident by trying to fight fire with fire, instead of using his head. Which is a shame, because consistent results will be the only thing that keeps him in championship contention, and he simply cannot afford incidents like that.

[Robinho]

Can't look past Rosberg, smashed the whole weekend. Sutil gets the honourary for me, Kimi for his recovery from 15th to 10th in 5 laps at the end

[steveaki13]

Driver of the Race: Sutil. He was agreesive and determined to gain places (dispelling the myth you cant pass at Monaco) without making contact. I think others should look at his last stint.

Those you think you cant pass and those that make alot of contact.


Other Mentions:

Rosberg - Although I think it was one of the easiest wins at Monaco ever, he still did his job nicely. If Seb had been able to lap in the 1:16s more often Nico would have had more of a challenge

Perez - Some are slating him, but he raced today which deserves credit. The defense from Jenson was silly just blasting across chicanes, but after that he hussled people and took people in 2 different places. And the incident with Kimi that people are slating him for I see as 60-40 really. In Kimis direction. He moved late in the braking zone, which surely is a major wrong. Perez was having a look and ready to pounce when Kimi just moved him into the barrier.

VdGarde - I think he done a decent job. He lost nice nose in the first lap, but was then quick and kept in touch with the field. unlike Marussia who were struggling all day.

[The Black Knight]

There can't be anyone other than Rosberg for driver of the race. I'm sorry guys but to give it to Sutil is just plain wrong. Rosberg drove perfectly the entire weekend and I have never seen Hamilton so consistently hammered throughout the course of a weekend by another teammate.

Sutil drove a great race but Rosberg deserves the prize guys.

Perez gets an honorable mention as well.

[dj_bytedisaster]

There can't be anyone other than Rosberg for driver of the race. I'm sorry guys but to give it to Sutil is just plain wrong. Rosberg drove perfectly the entire weekend and I have never seen Hamilton so consistently hammered throughout the course of a weekend by another teammate.

Rosberg did what everyone does this year, who is in the lead - cruising home, nursing his tires at 4 seconds slower than what the car could do. As happy as I am to see him win, he didn't do sod all. Sutil was the only one in the field who even tried to race. Rosberg merely dawdled away at the front.

[Robinho]

Yet no-one was anywhere near him all race, of he was so slow why didn't all those faster cars catch and pass him, they proved they could race and pass without destroying their tyres. Maybe he was just quicker than the others could manage?

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[yodasarmpit]

Sutil, Perez, and Nico.

[AndyL]

I think DiResta deserves a little mention as well as Sutil. He also managed to make some clean passes - without hitting anyone. Without the tactical error in qualifying he might well have got a result similar to Sutil's.

[longisland]

On the tires I still maintain that it wasn't a major issue in this race. All the front runners were on tire preservation mode in the first half of the race to get into a single stop window. However, tire preservation was no more on the cards after the 2 safety car period when everyone gets to change 2 sets of tires without compromising race position. It would have been more interesting if Webber had given it a go on Seb on the final stint. I disagreed with Martin Brundle's comments on Kimi's run-in with Perez. He may have changed his racing line but I think he is entitled 1 move. More importantly, Perez was never going to make the pass stick even if Kimi doesn't change his racing line. He would have rammed into Kimi's chassis instead of the rear wheel. Kimi paid the price but what was he supposed to do, lift just because Checo was going to dive in? Some said Checo had no where to go when he committed the move, the same could be said about Kimi when he entered the bus stop. For those who race karts would know it's the driver who tries to make a pass that has to judge if the move stick. This isn't like one driver pushing another driver out of the track. Kimi was entering the bus stop and the gap was closed long before Checo arrived.

[steveaki13]

Although it is a great win. I cant except it as a great one. He was cruising so didnt need to push as others cruised as well. I dont rate any of the top 4 in this race.

[P3ws]

Kimi changed his line in the breaking zone, a big no go, that is Kimi's fault, what was Perez supposed to do? Evaporate?

Kimi had a line in his breaking and he is suppose to change it while breaking hard? How you suppose he do that and still make the chicane?
He used the same line he used laps before. Giving checo the hint, he just did not get it.

[The Black Knight]

Rosberg did what everyone does this year, who is in the lead - cruising home, nursing his tires at 4 seconds slower than what the car could do. As happy as I am to see him win, he didn't do sod all. Sutil was the only one in the field who even tried to race. Rosberg merely dawdled away at the front.

He got pole position. topped every practice session, controlled the race, pasted Hamilton and pulled out a gap easily whenever he needed to do so. It was Schumacher/Senna-esque driving and I don't really know what more one has to do to get drive of the race other than that. Sutil's race was great also and definitely he deserves to be second but still can't look past Rosberg.

[DexDexter]

Keijo, sorry Nico Rosberg :)

[SGWilko]

Burndt Mylander - the only one pushing his car to the limit!

[steveaki13]

Burndt Mylander - the only one pushing his car to the limit!

:laugh: This made me laugh. True though, he nearly lost it at the swimming pool one lap.

[Knock-on]

I think this weekend was the best performance I have ever seen from Nico. He was faultless and deserves the plaudits.

Sutil and PdR was excellent as well. To come from the back at Monaco and finish in the points is a great achievement for anyone and I feel sorry for Paul that FI cocked up his Qualifying. Still, it's great to see his run of good form continuing.

Checo was a bit of a loose cannon on a similar way to Lewis recently at Monoco but at least he's making things happen. I do think Kimi 'put some manners' on him but it was still great fun to watch.

I feel a bit sorry for Lewis. He wasn't on Nicos pace this weekend but it was bad cll from Mercedes. They should have pulled in Nico to cover off Vettel and that would have left a clean pit the next lap. However, it was great to see him pushing Webber hard although just couldn't get the gap.

[Storm]

Although it is a great win. I cant except it as a great one. He was cruising so didnt need to push as others cruised as well. I dont rate any of the top 4 in this race.
Although I understand your point, the top 4 actully drove very well in a sense. Red Bulls held station as that was the most they could do and avoided any risks to get the points which will win them the title again (zzzZZzzz). Hamilton tried hard to pass Webber but couldn't but atleast got the car home safely. Nico, did everything a pole sitter should do - quick starts, crucial gaps opened when needed, good starts on all restarts, keeping his "pace" at optimum level and making 0 mistakes while leading on a very tight circuit where even a minor mistake means a meeting with the armco. So he deserved the win.

[i_max2k2]

Nico and Sutil.

As for Perez he did well till he hit Kimi, he went for a gap that was already closing, and it wasn't Kimi's fault, even his justification after the race was correct. Perez slid out of that corner several times trying to find a way, this was coming for anyone trying to find a easy way around a reasonably fast car such as Kimi's.

[neophyte]

Kimi had a line in his breaking and he is suppose to change it while breaking hard? How you suppose he do that and still make the chicane?
He used the same line he used laps before. Giving checo the hint, he just did not get it.

Watch the in camera video available in another thread and you'll see kimmi was already in the middle of the road trying to keep Perez behind (the natural line for that turn is to stay wide to the right to hit the apex running), he then sharply moved to the left when he saw perez making his move, effectively not giving him any room. Not saying Perez wasn't over optimistic, I think he was, but Raikonnen had as much fault as Perez did in this collision.

[neophyte]

Rosberg was good but he was not challenged at all. However, he did not put a wheel wrong all day and that should count for something. For me, Sutil was the best driver, nice and smooth moves around the casino. Perez made some exciting passes. Loved watching Hamilton chase Webber and his "I'm just trying to make a pass, man" comment on the radio!

[DexDexter]

Watch the in camera video available in another thread and you'll see kimmi was already in the middle of the road trying to keep Perez behind (the natural line for that turn is to stay wide to the right to hit the apex running), he then sharply moved to the left when he saw perez making his move, effectively not giving him any room. Not saying Perez wasn't over optimistic, I think he was, but Raikonnen had as much fault as Perez did in this collision.

If you're over optimistic, it's your fault. Kimi is the fairest driver on the grid, ask Hamilton, Alonso etc. Perez needs to calm down and concentrate on finishing the races. Mind you that he is actually beating Button consistently and without these maneuvers he would make a name for himself.

[faster69]

Nico and Sutil.

As for Perez he did well till he hit Kimi, he went for a gap that was already closing, and it wasn't Kimi's fault, even his justification after the race was correct. Perez slid out of that corner several times trying to find a way, this was coming for anyone trying to find a easy way around a reasonably fast car such as Kimi's.

Not Kimi's fault, but it was stupid with the championship at stake.

Kimi was too slow, Alonso was too slow. That's why they had a Force India and McLaren swarming over them. I didn't see anyone swarming over the back of Sutil and Perez.

By the way, why is no-one questioning Kimi and Alonso performances? Absolutely appalling to be outdriven by the likes of Sutil and Perez in much slower cars. This is Monaco which is a true drivers circuit.

[henners88]

Not Kimi's fault, but it was stupid with the championship at stake.

Kimi was too slow, Alonso was too slow. That's why they had a Force India and McLaren swarming over them. I didn't see anyone swarming over the back of Sutil and Perez.

By the way, why is no-one questioning Kimi and Alonso performances? Absolutely appalling to be outdriven by the likes of Sutil and Perez in much slower cars. This is Monaco which is a true drivers circuit.
Were Alonso and Kimi pushing as much as they could and would their initial strategy allow them to? Also were they trying to burn up their tyres like Perez on their chosen strategy? You say it is appalling their were out driven but they finished the race ahead of Sergio and scored more points than him. Both are previous Monaco winners and for me they were not out driven at all. Not even close. Kimi's last stint after his unplanned pitstop showed he could push in his Lotus but maybe it wasn't the statgey used for the entire race. I get the impression you are new to all this.

[steveaki13]

Were Alonso and Kimi pushing as much as they could and would their initial strategy allow them to? Also were they trying to burn up their tyres like Perez on their chosen strategy? You say it is appalling their were out driven but they finished the race ahead of Sergio and scored more points than him. Both are previous Monaco winners and for me they were not out driven at all. Not even close. Kimi's last stint after his unplanned pitstop showed he could push in his Lotus but maybe it wasn't the statgey used for the entire race. I get the impression you are new to all this.

I get the impression he/her is a Vettel fan, in a way would make Garry laugh.

[dj_shytedisaster]

Y'know, I really wish you would post more often.
I can't get enough of your reasoned and intelligent insight.

[kfzmeister]

I get the impression you are new to all this.

This. And amazingly "in the know". Just another one i had to add to my ignore list. :dozey:

[faster69]

Were Alonso and Kimi pushing as much as they could and would their initial strategy allow them to?

They all had similar strategies. They couldn't get more speed otherwise they would have. Tyre wear was a non-issue. Look what Rosberg could do. Look what Vettel could do. Their tyres were fine. Poor showing from the former world champions.


Also were they trying to burn up their tyres like Perez on their chosen strategy? You say it is appalling their were out driven but they finished the race ahead of Sergio and scored more points than him. Both are previous Monaco winners and for me they were not out driven at all. Not even close. Kimi's last stint after his unplanned pitstop showed he could push in his Lotus but maybe it wasn't the statgey used for the entire race. I get the impression you are new to all this.

They only finished ahead of Perez because his suspension or whatever broke. Perez was much quicker than Alonso, Kimi and Button. Alonso couldn't even keep Sutil in a Force India behind him.

I don't understand the fuss about what Kimi did at the end of the race. He was on brand new tyres with nothing to lose. He was passing guys on old tyres. Who cares.

[SGWilko]

Perez was much quicker than Alonso, Kimi and Button.

And of those four, all finished but????

The other drivers were all managing their tyre/brakes, Perez didn't, and as a result retired with brake failure.....

[faster69]

And of those four, all finished but????

The other drivers were all managing their tyre/brakes, Perez didn't, and as a result retired with brake failure.....

Perez managed his tyres just fine. He was simply quicker than the three ex world champions. He retired because Kimi pushed him into a wall.

Same with Sutil being quicker than Button and Alonso. Nothing to do with managing tyres. He simply out drove them.

[henners88]

Perez managed his tyres just fine. He was simply quicker than the three ex world champions. He retired because Kimi pushed him into a wall.
He retired because he moved into a disappearing gap and hit the rear quarter of Kimi's car. He put himself into the wall by being far too eager and not reading the situation. Much like when Hamilton crashed into Button in Canada 2011. The overtaking car was at fault in both situations.

[The Black Knight]

He retired because he moved into a disappearing gap and hit the rear quarter of Kimi's car. He put himself into the wall by being far too eager and not reading the situation. Much like when Hamilton crashed into Button in Canada 2011. The overtaking car was at fault in both situations.

Disagree. The gap wasn't disappearing when Perez initiated the move. Kimi blocked it after Perez had committed. It was similar to Massa and Maldonado incidents in Monaco two years ago. I really dont' get how people feel it is okay for a defending driver to close the door after the overtaking driver has made the commit, especially in a place like Monaco, and give the overtaking driver no chance whatsoever at that point in avoiding a collision. For a world champion, Kimi should have known better.

[dj_bytedisaster]

Disagree. The gap wasn't disappearing when Perez initiated the move. Kimi blocked it after Perez had committed. It was similar to Massa and Maldonado incidents in Monaco two years ago. I really dont' get how people feel it is okay for a defending driver to close the door after the overtaking driver has made the commit, especially in a place like Monaco, and give the overtaking driver no chance whatsoever at that point in avoiding a collision. For a world champion, Kimi should have known better.

How was Kimi to know that Perez was 'commited', he came from so far back, his rear tyres were in southern France. So is it now ok to start attacks that have no chance of succeeding unless the defending driver leaves the door wide open?

[The Black Knight]

How was Kimi to know that Perez was 'commited', he came from so far back, his rear tyres were in southern France. So is it now ok to start attacks that have no chance of succeeding unless the defending driver leaves the door wide open?

I agree it was borderline overly optimistic but to overtake at Monaco you have to be optimistic and try the impossible. Perez committed, and when Kimi went to defend he left Perez no room to stop which is what caused the crash. A driver of Kimi's experience should have known that closing the door like that was most likely going to cause a collision.

I've just watched the crash again there and I reckon the incident would have been avoided completely had Kimi not made any move at all and both drivers would have come through unscathed. I completely blame Kimi as he should have known better.

[dj_bytedisaster]

You can't blame Kimi alone. The attack was not borderline optimistic it was downright blackmail. Perez was so far behind, the move couldn't work under normal conditions. Kimi would have to give up his place voluntarily for both of them to come out of it without damage. It was a "move over or we'll crash" move and I applaud Kimi for not letting that little punk blackmail him into moving over. Perez calculated that Kimi would roll over for fear of losing points for the championship and that's rotten style to begin with. Senna and Schumacher were lambasted for such moves. Why should we accept them from Perez?

[The Black Knight]

You can't blame Kimi alone. The attack was not borderline optimistic it was downright blackmail. Perez was so far behind, the move couldn't work under normal conditions. Kimi would have to give up his place voluntarily for both of them to come out of it without damage. It was a "move over or we'll crash" move and I applaud Kimi for not letting that little punk blackmail him into moving over. Perez calculated that Kimi would roll over for fear of losing points for the championship and that's rotten style to begin with. Senna and Schumacher were lambasted for such moves. Why should we accept them from Perez?

Well I had very little issues with Schumacher and Senna's moves either so maybe you're arguing with the wrong guy ;)