2013 Spanish Grand Prix Thread

[steveaki13]

Well yet another 3 week gap is coming towards an end and so with the lack of activity here this last week I felt it time to open this thread.

Drivers Championship after 4 Rounds


Sebastian Vettel - 77 pts[/*:m:3ctrpx0i]
Kimi Raikkonen - 67 pts[/*:m:3ctrpx0i]
Lewis Hamilton - 50 pts[/*:m:3ctrpx0i]
Fernando Alonso - 47 pts[/*:m:3ctrpx0i]
Mark Webber - 32 pts[/*:m:3ctrpx0i]
Felipe Massa - 30 pts[/*:m:3ctrpx0i]
Romain Grosjean - 26 pts[/*:m:3ctrpx0i]
Paul di Resta - 20 pts[/*:m:3ctrpx0i]
Nico Rosberg - 14 pts[/*:m:3ctrpx0i]
Jenson Button - 13 pts[/*:m:3ctrpx0i]
Sergio Perez - 10 pts[/*:m:3ctrpx0i]
Adrian Sutil - 6 pts[/*:m:3ctrpx0i]
Daniel Ricciardo - 6 pts[/*:m:3ctrpx0i]
Nico Hulkenberg - 5 pts[/*:m:3ctrpx0i]
Jean Eric Vergne - 1 pt[/*:m:3ctrpx0i]

Costructors Championship after 4 Rounds

Red Bull - 109 pts[/*:m:3ctrpx0i]
Lotus - 93 pts[/*:m:3ctrpx0i]
Ferrari - 77 pts[/*:m:3ctrpx0i]
Mercedes - 64 pts[/*:m:3ctrpx0i]
Force India - 26 pts[/*:m:3ctrpx0i]
Mclaren - 23 pts[/*:m:3ctrpx0i]
Toro Rosso - 7 pts[/*:m:3ctrpx0i]
Sauber - 5 pts[/*:m:3ctrpx0i]

2013 Spanish GP, Circuit de Catalunya, Montmelo, Spain

10th - 12th May

66 Laps


Previous Winners
1991: Nigel Mansell - Williams
1992: Nigel Mansell - Williams
1993: Alain Prost - Williams
1994: Damon Hill - Williams
1995: Michael Schumacher - Benetton
1996: Michael Schumacher - Ferrari
1997: Jacques Villeneuve - Williams
1998: Mika Hakkinen - Mclaren
1999: Mika Hakinen - Mclaren
2000: Mika Hakkinen - Mclaren
2001: Michael Schumacher - Ferrari
2002: Michael Schumacher - Ferrari
2003: Michael Schumacher - Ferrari
2004: Michael Schumacher - Ferrari
2005: Kimi Raikkonen - Mclaren
2006: Fernando Alonso - Renault
2007: Felipe Massa - Ferrari
2008: Kimi Raikkonen - Ferrari
2009: Jenson Button - Brawn
2010: Mark Webber - Red Bull
2011: Sebastian Vettel - Red Bull
2012: Pastor Maldonado - Williams

Most Wins
Michael Schumacher - 6 wins
Mika Hakkinen - 3 wins
Nigel Mansell - 2 wins
Kimi Raikkonen - 2 wins
Alain Prost - 1 win
Fernando Alonso - 1 win
Felipe Massa -1 win
Damon Hill - 1 win
Jacques Villeneuve - 1 win
Mark Webber - 1 win
Sebastian Vettel - 1 win
Pastor Maldonado - 1 win
Jenson Button - 1 win


Ferrari - 7 wins
Williams - 6 wins
Mclaren - 4 wins
Red Bull - 2 wins
Benetton - 1 win
Brawn - 1 win
Renault - 1 win

*So looking a those stats. Schumi has bossed it, an suprising that Alonso only has 1 win at home.


Oh well lets see what Catalunya holds this year.

[dj_bytedisaster]

*So looking a those stats. Schumi has bossed it, an suprising that Alonso only has 1 win at home.


And some of them were quite memorable, too. Who could forget the brutal trouncing he delivered to his peers in the torrential rain in 1996. I'm not sure we're ever going to see something like that again.
And I think it was here, too, where he inherited a win a few corners from home, when Häkkinen's McLaren went boom.

[vhatever]

Ahh, ya, Esp '96. One of the many races that showed us just how much trash Dumbass Hill and Jerkoff Vanilla were.

I suspect this race will come down to Vettel and Kimi, may the best tire nurser win.

[henners88]

In his prime Schumacher was a force to be reckoned with that's for sure. With recent results in mind though, I have to say at least the Williams drivers are safe in to turn one this year .. :p

I think Spain 2012 was Michael's most embarrassing race during his comeback years. He was lucky to escape a race ban after an moronic chicane cut on Hamilton during practice that very nearly saw a big accident. Frustration got the better of him and he was very lucky to get away with it. The Senna crash was just missing his breaking point, similar to Singapore. I thought it was harsh he got a penalty, but the practice antics meant it was eventually justified.

Anyway 2013, and I think too this will be Kimi's second victory of the season, or at least I hope. My pickems suggest Vettel but lets hope the Red Bull's destroy their tyres early on.

[steveaki13]

Remember 1994 too wasn't it when he finished second stuck in 5th gear or one gear anyway.

That was epic in 94 , then won 95 and then that win in 1996 was an impressive 3 years.

[tfp]

Ahh, ya, Esp '96. One of the many races that showed us just how much trash Dumbass Hill and Jerkoff Vanilla were.



Haha, hello vhatever ;)

[Kuningas]

Ferrari is going to win. You heard it here first.

[steveaki13]

Ferrari is going to win. You heard it here first.

Someone other than Max Chilton is going to win. You heard that here first

[Mia 01]

A winner it will be. Hope it will be mine driver.

[steveaki13]

wow. Its quiet.

Just watched the first session and it was hard to judge much due to the weather.

Havent watched FP2 yet, but I know Seb was fast.

[steveaki13]

In relation to the video I posted about the final corners in the clips thread. What are peoples views? Do you prefer the old high speed hanging on for grim death layout, or the modern chicane to bunch the field up?

I think ultimately the old layout was best as It was a real challenge and had a real epic feel, but I suppose now it does make overtaking easier?

The old layout is still there maybe they could switch formats on Lap 30. :p The first 30 laps the new chicane corners and then on lap 31 switch to the old high speed corners an scare the young drivers. :D

[steveaki13]

Red Bull is looking set fair here I think.

The car looks so stable.

[henners88]

Practice three on the BBC! Not usually an avid watcher of practice sessions but a different experience over brekkie :)

[webberf1]

My picks for sc.net (cos the servers are down):

ALO
RAI
VET
WEB
HAM
GRO
MAS
ROS

PC: VET > MAS > ALO

[Koz]

Vettel -> Grosjean -> Massa -> Alonso -> Kimi

[donKey jote]

morning gurlz :andrea: :D

[Koz]

1:21.2 will be pole?

[Koz]

4 mins in and no one out yet?

Every looks very chilled.

[donKey jote]

BBC, A3 and RTLauda all with the same video feed :p

[Koz]

Gutierrez, get him off the track please.

[truefan72]

I wonder what the heck martin brundle is talking about
Guitierrez did not block Kimi, it was the penultimate corner and kimi just caught him at the wrong time

also same with button and maldonado. slow man button should shut up and stop complaining and looking for penalty.
There is a difference between blocking and simply catching a car at the wrong time

Not sure what either Maldonado or Guitierrez did wrong
nonsense from the Sky team,making a meal out of nothing

[truefan72]

Why williams changed their car fundamentally is a mystery. that 2012 car was hooked up and only needed slight improvements
Also Hulkneberg has gotta be second guessing his move to sauber.

[Koz]

I didn't see the Pastor well, but Guitierrez had plenty of space, and looked to be going wide and then just shut the door.

[tfp]

Mclaren???

[donKey jote]

bejaysus where did Ham's S3 come from :eek: :up:

[dj_bytedisaster]

Hamilton :eek:

[truefan72]

well done perez
more than .600sec faster than button
what a marker that Hamilton set, jeezums, that was one quick lap
DiResta sneaking into top 10
My man Hulkneberg not so much :(

[Koz]

Looks like the Mercs will dominate Monaco.

[truefan72]

I didn't see the Pastor well, but Guitierrez had plenty of space, and looked to be going wide and then just shut the door.

ok fair enough
but I still don;t think he held up kimi, the massa/webber situation is more clear cut to me

but maldonano and guiterrez were both in the penultimate corner and there really was nowhere to go without compromising their own lap

[webberf1]

truefan, the teams and drivers still need to be doing a better job than that. Didn't see the button incident but the kimi holdup was unacceptable. The slow driver either needs to pick up the pace earlier or slow down earlier in the lap and gtfo of the way.

[Koz]

Who is this silly woman that thinks Q3 is Q1??

[truefan72]

I wonder who in Q3 will gamble with Hard tyres

[Koz]

but maldonano and guiterrez were both in the penultimate corner and there really was nowhere to go without compromising their own lap

Pastor was on a lap so fair enough. But Gutierrez wasn't, he just wasn't paying attention, IMO.

He did hold Kimi up, Kimi was going and had the door shut on him.

[pino]

It's going to be between Lewis and Fernando...

[pino]

Nico !!! :eek:

[truefan72]

wow
that was a stunner of a lap by Rosberg
pressure on hamilton now
I think it will be an all mercedes front row
but I'm getting ahead of myself, nervous times!!

[Koz]

Merc S3 is half a second faster than everyone else! No one has a chance.

[pino]

Well done Nico !

[pino]

I was wrong as always lol :p :

[truefan72]

rosberg takes it, hamilton couldn't take that pole, but starting p2 is pretty good,
stay close to rosberg then drs him after 3 laps and have rosberg hold up the competition
that the strategy imo

saved a set of mediums and all hards too

[dj_bytedisaster]

rosberg takes it, hamilton couldn't take that pole, but starting p2 is pretty good,
stay close to rosberg then drs him after 3 laps and have rosberg hold up the competition
that the strategy imo

saved a set of mediums and all hards too

I doubt that Nico would sign up to that plan ;) Good to see though that he proves all those wrong, who though that lewis would run roughshod over him. Merc seem to have the strongest pairing at the moment.

[AndyL]

Pastor was on a lap so fair enough. But Gutierrez wasn't, he just wasn't paying attention, IMO.

Was Pastor on a lap? They played a radio message of his engineer telling him to let Button past.

[AndyL]

Excellent qualifying by Rosberg. quite a few drivers beating more highly-rated team-mates today - Rosberg, Perez, Bottas and Van Der Garde.

[truefan72]

I doubt that Nico would sign up to that plan ;) Good to see though that he proves all those wrong, who though that lewis would run roughshod over him. Merc seem to have the strongest pairing at the moment.

not saying that its' the mercedes plan
just the Hamilton plan

Also, yeah, its good to see Rosberg doing good, but the race is run on sunday's
someone should let Sky sports know that who are throwing around words like dejected and miffed, in describing Hamilton's saturday experience
I honestly think that Hamilton is pretty satisfied with p2. Unless you are vettel in the RBR, being P1 is a bit of a sitting duck IMO

[dj_bytedisaster]

Excellent qualifying by Rosberg. quite a few drivers beating more highly-rated team-mates today - Rosberg, Perez, Bottas and Van Der Garde.

Not to forget that Massa drove almost exactly the same time as Alonso. Only Webbo got soundly beaten again.

[henners88]

Good to see though that he proves all those wrong, who though that lewis would run roughshod over him.
I think anyone who has followed the careers of both knew that would never have happened.

[dj_bytedisaster]

I remember quite a few people, who predicted last year that Nico wouldn't keep up with Lewis.

[truefan72]

I remember quite a few people, who predicted last year that Nico wouldn't keep up with Lewis.

qualy is qualy
and the race is a different beast
so far Hamilton is actually pulling clear of Rosberg
lets see how sunday turns out first, if Rosberg can come good or if the patter continues

[henners88]

I remember quite a few people, who predicted last year that Nico wouldn't keep up with Lewis.
Anyone here?

[dj_bytedisaster]

qualy is qualy
and the race is a different beast
so far Hamilton is actually pulling clear of Rosberg
lets see how sunday turns out first, if Rosberg can come good or if the patter continues

I wouldn't put it as absolute as that. Actually Hamilton only beat him in Bahrain. Rosberg retired with mechanical problems twice and was forbidden from overtaking at Malaysia, where he was clearly faster and more importantly had run a more clever race than Lewis. I think a lot will depend on how much they'll have to fight tomorrow. Rosberg had to fight hard at the beginning of the Bahrain race, while Lewis went up more by osmosis rather than hard fighting. Consequently Rosbergs tires croaked early, while Lewis could get away with three stops to Nico's four. With this year's comedy tires being caught in fights for position more often than not meant being hit with crippling tire degradation. If both of them manage to stay ahead tomorrow, they might have a chance to win this thing as they could use the same method that Vettel used to win Bahrain. A lot will depend on Fernando and Kimi though. Both Ferrari and Lotus are easier on the tires than anyone else. They could chase Vettel and the Mercs into burning up their tires and then cruise home.

[dj_bytedisaster]

Anyone here?

One of them was Gary, but then again, Gary hates everyone :D There were a few others, too. Just look up the threads that came up around the time Lewis' switch was announced. You'll find quite a few examples there.

[pino]

I was one of them :wave: :p :

[henners88]

I'm pretty sure I was one of the ones who told people not to underestimate Rosberg. I hope Lewis beats him in the long term but have the respect for Nico to know it won't come easy. :)

[truefan72]

I did vote for them as the strongest pairing and I said before that Rosberg might initially get the better of hamilton, but once he gets comfy with the team etc, I expect him to pull away from Rosberg.
Rosberg is no slouch, but his race performances have not been the strongest. The ability to pound out fast lap after lap and extract the most out of the car is something that I think only Alonso and hamilton have.
Maybe kimi

But I honestly believe the best thing that could have happened to rosberg was for Hamilton to join him as a teammate.
It is bringing out the best in him.

On a similar note, I wonder what all the pundits are thiniking now about Hamilton's move from mclaren.
Many here were thinking he was doing a JV/BAR type move, leaving a sure thing for the unknown
In hindsight he was very wise to move
although I think the mclaren in the hands of hamilton would be doing much better
and perez is starting to show that

[airshifter]

I remember quite a few people, who predicted last year that Nico wouldn't keep up with Lewis.

I would be one of them! :laugh:

Though in all fairness I never railed on Nico, I simply saw him as yet to be really tested against a very good driver. Schumacher was not the same racer during that period, and I felt the real test would come if and when someone that was a top grade current driver was teamed with Nico.

Wouldn't be the first time I was wrong. I do OK in FGP most years, but tend to suck at Pickems... soooo.....

[CaptainRaiden]

I remember quite a few people, who predicted last year that Nico wouldn't keep up with Lewis.

The same people predicted Schumacher would "destroy" Nico on his return. We all know how that one turned out. :p

I never thought Lewis would do that much better than Nico, because I saw how Button performed against Lewis, and I rate Nico much higher than Button, always have.

I'll admit though I did think Lewis would trample Button when he signed for Mclaren, and I was wrong initially. But ultimately Lewis did outshine Button considerably in 2012, so the guess wasn't all that bad. :D

[vhatever]

The same people predicted Schumacher would "destroy" Nico on his return. We all know how that one turned out. :p

I never thought Lewis would do that much better than Nico, because I saw how Button performed against Lewis, and I rate Nico much higher than Button, always have.

I'll admit though I did think Lewis would trample Button when he signed for Mclaren, and I was wrong initially. But ultimately Lewis did outshine Button considerably in 2012, so the guess wasn't all that bad. :D

2012
Button: 188
Hamilton: 190

Wow that's some considerable "outshining".


I think both alonso and hamilton are horribly overrated drivers. I always thought that about Hamilton and I never thought I'd think that about alonso. but i do now. Alonso's much praised last year was nothing more than having the most dependable car on the grid with the ability to win races/win podiums. Nothing more.

[Koz]

2012
Button: 188
Hamilton: 190

Wow that's some considerable "outshining".


I think both alonso and hamilton are horribly overrated drivers. I always thought that about Hamilton and I never thought I'd think that about alonso. but i do now. Alonso's much praised last year was nothing more than having the most dependable car on the grid with the ability to win races/win podiums. Nothing more.
What nonsense.
Are you watching the races or just looking at the point tallies?

Lewis throughly thrashed Button last year, how many times did he retire while leading races due to engine failure?
This is the same as Vettel and Webber in 2010, points tell a very deceptive story.

[Koz]

Was Pastor on a lap? They played a radio message of his engineer telling him to let Button past.

You are correct, the messages were played when he was on his lap, the blocking was on his outlap.

[vhatever]

What nonsense.
Are you watching the races or just looking at the point tallies?

Lewis throughly thrashed Button last year, how many times did he retire while leading races due to engine failure?
This is the same as Vettel and Webber in 2010, points tell a very deceptive story.


Your post is what is nonsense. Fanboyish nonsense at that. One of the problems with lewis is that he's a moron and makes stupid decisions, including idiotic things like driving on punctured tires, and then blaming his lack of points at the end due to his own moronic decisions as "cruel luck". Ever driver tends to have bad days. The idea is to get as many points as you can without running your own race.

He had a 50/50 collision with grosjean, the puncture I talked about already, and ya he had a couple DNFs not his fault. However, even if he were leading them, it wouldn't mean he would end up winning them without the DNFs. aybe Abu dhabi would fall into that category. Still, hamilton is just as likely to dog pile into a backmarker than finish a race in first, it seems. Additionally, it's not like button didn't get his share of bad lck laast year, he had a ton of team cockups and issues not of his own making, as well.

[dj_bytedisaster]

Your post is what is nonsense. Fanboyish nonsense at that. One of the problems with lewis is that he's a moron and makes stupid decisions, including idiotic things like driving on punctured tires, and then blaming his lack of points at the end due to his own moronic decisions as "cruel luck". Ever driver tends to have bad days. The idea is to get as many points as you can without running your own race.

Maybe you should lay off the trolling?

[vhatever]

Maybe you should lay off the trolling?

So you are saying that if Lewis is leading a race at some point he is destined to win it -- or even place in the points for that matter?

Are you saying Button didn't have his share of punctures/mechanical problems last year, reality be damned?

[webberf1]

uh oh... upon my return to this forum I thought I'd immediately identified the village idiot when I saw some of faster69's posts. Don't tell me there's another one here ^^^

[vhatever]

uh oh... upon my return to this forum I thought I'd immediately identified the village idiot when I saw some of faster69's posts. Don't tell me there's another one here ^^^


LOL. That's all you got? Some weak ass personal attacks?

[kfzmeister]

Looks like the Mercs will dominate Monaco.

I might actually bet on this one. Surprised that nobody caught this. I'm gonna bet on Hamilton at Monaco.

As far as tomorrow's concerned, here's to Alonso eating a couple of cars by turn one. :)

[dj_bytedisaster]

LOL. That's all you got? Some weak ass personal attacks?

May have to do with the fact that you started with a weak ass personal attack on Lewis Hamilton, you dimwit. Do us all a favour and walk into a rotating propeller.

[vhatever]

May have to do with the fact that you started with a weak ass personal attack on Lewis Hamilton, you dimwit. Do us all a favour and walk into a rotating propeller.


I didn't know lewy lew posted here.Learn something new every day. Maybe he needs to spend more time in the simulator given rosberg seems to have the measure of him.

[dj_bytedisaster]

I didn't know lewy lew posted here.Learn something new every day. Maybe he needs to spend more time in the simulator given rosberg seems to have the measure of him.

Only because someone doesn't post here doesn't give you the right to be utterly insulting. If you can't adhere to civilized ways of interaction, get the Eff out of here, redneck. Drunk posting isn't the best of ideas, so maybe you just pass on it next time...

[vhatever]

Only because someone doesn't post here doesn't give you the right to be utterly insulting. If you can't adhere to civilized ways of interaction, get the Eff out of here, redneck. Drunk posting isn't the best of ideas, so maybe you just pass on it next time...

There is no nice way to infer a moron is a moron. But the truth is the truth. find me one sane person who would disagree that someone is not a moron when they purposely drive around a race track at 150 MPH instead of pitting immeidately after discovering you have a puncture when you have no way in hell of making your previous tire strategy work in the first place.

After your numerous personal attacks, hopefully the mods give you a bit of a vacation to reflect on that.

[dj_bytedisaster]

There is no nice way to infer a moron is a moron. But the truth is the truth. find me one sane person who would disagree that someone is not a moron when they purposely drive around a race track at 150 MPH instead of pitting immeidately after discovering you have a puncture when you have no way in hell of making your previous tire strategy work in the first place.

After your numerous personal attacks, hopefully the mods give you a bit of a vacation to reflect on that.


If someone attacks personally, it has been you for hours now. I don't know what sad life you're living that you feel a need to take it out on Lewis. He's one of the best F1 drivers at the time - deal with it.

[pino]

Thread cleaned (on Sunday morning) :blackeye: ...and some infractions point given, now please let's cool down and continue to discuss this in a nice way thank you !

[vhatever]

If someone attacks personally, it has been you for hours now. I don't know what sad life you're living that you feel a need to take it out on Lewis. He's one of the best F1 drivers at the time - deal with it.

it's unbelievable that you have been on the internet since at least 2001 and still don't understand the basic premise of a message board. You must be blinded by some kind of anti-american bigotry, as there seems no rational explanation of anything else. Message boards are where people gather to discuss something. This one is for formula one. Hamilton is in F1, so my opinion of him is relevant as well, if I choose to give it here. Your opinion that "I'm a redneck" is not relevant to F1. No quit wasting peoples time with your useless posts. if the mods even bother with this forum anymore you will be on a long, long vacation. Maybe a permanent one, which is what you probably deserve.

[dj_bytedisaster]

it's unbelievable that you have been on the internet since at least 2001 and still don't understand the basic premise of a message board. You must be blinded by some kind of anti-american bigotry, as there seems no rational explanation of anything else. Message boards are where people gather to discuss something. This one is for formula one. Hamilton is in F1, so my opinion of him is relevant as well, if I choose to give it here. Your opinion that "I'm a redneck" is not relevant to F1. No quit wasting peoples time with your useless posts. if the mods even bother with this forum anymore you will be on a long, long vacation. Maybe a permanent one, which is what you probably deserve.

I cannot tell what I want, because my opinion is being subject of censorship as of late, but you have to understand one thing - you came in here guns blazing calling lewis hamilton all kinds of unflattering names without even knowing the man. That has nothing to do with discussion. It's just pure hatred and there's no place for that here. And demanding bans for other people wile posting the hateful dribble that you posted is
pure bigotry. Knock it off.

[pino]

Enough of this rubbish and back to the topic !!!

My very last warning :mad:

[henners88]

I fancy Hamilton for a podium today although I think a race win is out of the question for either Merc. I just hope Nico is sensible with his tyres and doesn't destroy them in the opening laps trying to defend. The Merc seems less consistent over a number of laps on heavy fuel but seems to find the groove later on. I think this is a Vettel win if I'm honest, he has the car in race trim and starts with the advantage of row two.

[webberf1]

Every race is so hard to pick. Honestly, all of the top 5 genuinely have a good chance of winning this one. I will say though that if Alonso gets another of his trademark roaring starts he's my odds on favourite to win.

[dj_bytedisaster]

I fancy Hamilton for a podium today although I think a race win is out of the question for either Merc. I just hope Nico is sensible with his tyres and doesn't destroy them in the opening laps trying to defend. The Merc seems less consistent over a number of laps on heavy fuel but seems to find the groove later on. I think this is a Vettel win if I'm honest, he has the car in race trim and starts with the advantage of row two.

The Mercs looked not too shaby on the long runs in FP. If both can avoid cooking their tires in needless fights, they might have a chance. Looks like the car works better on the harder compund which is only marginally slower. A lot will depend on Vettel and Alonso. I think fernando has the best cards. That Ferrari was really easy on the tires so far and the red cars didn't dominate FP for nothing.

[webberf1]

Also, people, you should dismiss Mercedes' race pace at your own peril. They weren't blinding in qualifying for nothing. Remember 12 months ago? No one expected Maldonado to hold strong in the race.

[henners88]

It's worth noting too that Rosberg, Hamilton and Vettel have 3 sets of hard compound tyres for the race. Alonso has 2 and kimi and Grosjean only have 1. Hards seem to be the tyre of choice for this track so the first stint will be key.

[Ranger]

Also, people, you should dismiss Mercedes' race pace at your own peril. They weren't blinding in qualifying for nothing. Remember 12 months ago? No one expected Maldonado to hold strong in the race.

More relevant is that they had no race pace only 3 weeks ago, despite starting at the front.

I'd be very surprised if either Mercedes won the race today.

[CaptainRaiden]

2012
Button: 188
Hamilton: 190

Wow that's some considerable "outshining".

LOL, nice bait, troll. :laugh:

[donKey jote]

morning gurlz :wave: :andrea: :D

[Tazio]

:s ailor: Sup?

[CaptainRaiden]

Sup donkey and Taz? Whitmarsh said Button and Mclaren are gonna win the championships this year. Also, Alonso to Sauber next year.

[donKey jote]

just as a matter of interest, if anyone was watching the bbc coverage... who did Bernie tip to win? (t'internet had a hiccup :( )

On Spanish TV he said Alonso :p

[Tazio]

Good luck with that ;)

[Koz]

Hello.

[donKey jote]

hey doc, cap, koz :wave:

[Koz]

Mercs will not be leading by the end of the lap.

[steveaki13]

Afternoon guys

[CaptainRaiden]

just as a matter of interest, if anyone was watching the bbc coverage... who did Bernie tip to win?

He said Kimi, because he's much more epic than Alonso. :)

[Koz]

Anyone else getting a warning about Live Timings being unsigned and a security risk?

[Tazio]

Watching Speed broadcast Matchet tippped Fred.

[donKey jote]

and on RTL he probably said Vettel :laugh:

[Tazio]

Anyone else getting a warning about Live Timings being unsigned and a security risk?Nope, Matbe you have fake live timing :confused:

[donKey jote]

Anyone else getting a warning about Live Timings being unsigned and a security risk?

yep, ignored it as usual :andrea:

[steveaki13]

Seb moaning already

[Koz]

Nico doesn't seem to be weaving as much as the others...

[steveaki13]

Wow amazing lack of unity in the pack today. Glad I made it. I got in about 5 minutes ago

[donKey jote]

here we gogoogogo :D

[steveaki13]

Sebs flying

[donKey jote]

ALO vs Boss on the outside :D

[webberf1]

Alonso around the outside turn three!!!!

[dj_bytedisaster]

LOL, Alonso and Vettel both slapping lewis about :eek:

[Tazio]

Great start by the Reds, Felipe is not fooling around!

[steveaki13]

1-6 in a train.

And tyre saving after lap 3?????????????

[Tazio]

Rossberg already suffering deg.

[Koz]

Webber fails again. :(

[dj_bytedisaster]

Webber fails again. :(

That's the default setting for webbo, isn't it? :s

[steveaki13]

JB saying he cant get any heat in the tyres :eek:

[Koz]

Lewis seems to be struggling.
I do wonder how much Nico is holding up the Vettel and Alonso.

[dj_bytedisaster]

Weird. Looks like this time it's Lewis's car that's going backward. What the heck is it with Mercedes??

[pino]

Another crazy start by Alonso :eek:

[dj_bytedisaster]

Lewis seems to be struggling.
I do wonder how much Nico is holding up the Vettel and Alonso.

They couldn't DRS him so far, so he seems to have the speed

[longisland]

Me thinks Hamilton is having car issue

[Koz]

What happened to Grosjean?

[donKey jote]

pitpass :D

[webberf1]

Looking good :D

[gm99]

Why can't Force India get their pit stops straight? It hast cost them - and Sutil in particular - lots of places this year already.

[dj_bytedisaster]

Good thing the naughty point system isn't in use yet - Maldonado's season would be over right now. Good grief that man's out of his depths...

[donKey jote]

DRS :D
:erm: :andrea: :p

[dj_bytedisaster]

Rosberg going backwards, fast :( Tires ruining another race :s

[Tazio]

Rosberg threw out the anchor ;)

[truefan72]

this mercedes in race trim is pathetic
what a rubbish performance

[steveaki13]

Merc have some major issues they need to sort.

To be sooooo fast in Quali and be sooooooo slow in the race is bizzare.

[truefan72]

even ricciado gets past hamilton
you know there is something wrong
what a waste of my time

[steveaki13]

Lewis being past by a Toro Rosso. WTF

[dj_bytedisaster]

Did a Torro Rosso just pass Lewis ??? :eek: :eek: :eek:

[webberf1]

And people say pre-drs/pirelli was better. LOL. This is already the mosg entertaining Barcelona race I've seen in a longass time.

[truefan72]

might as well switch to a 4 stop strategy for hamilton
get off these ridiculous tires

[steveaki13]

Bad news Truefan, the Merc car is just crocked with a ridiculous amount of tyre wear. They need to find a solution quickly

[Tazio]

Fred gapping Seb ;)

[webberf1]

Come on Dan Ricciardo!

[steveaki13]

Ricciardo on the move

[truefan72]

can they bring hamilton in now, doing a 1:32 ???
what the hell are mercedes doing, now a 1:33 bring him in, jeezuz!

[dj_bytedisaster]

Fred gapping Seb ;)

Not too surprising. The Ferrari and the Lotus were easiest on the tires in training. Looks like Pirelli decided a Ferrari win was due.

[donKey jote]

come on in Alo, yer tyres are cooking :p

[steveaki13]

The Saubers are getting held up by Lewis.

[dj_bytedisaster]

second stop in lap 22?? What the heck??

[steveaki13]

Van der Garde's wheels about to come off????

[donKey jote]

looks like it's all Kimi's... stoopid Pirelli :p :andrea:

[steveaki13]

3 wheeled Caterham

[donKey jote]

Van lost a wheel :eek:
stoopid Pirelli :andrea: :p

[longisland]

Kimi may win with one stop less.

[truefan72]

I have no clue what the hamilton pit are doing they simply had hamilton drive that car past the tires falling off the cliff, I mean WTF kind of strategy is that?
this is ridiculous beyond belief
shame on mercedes, shame on them

[steveaki13]

Lewis is winning the award for being past most times today

[dj_bytedisaster]

lewis getting humiliated :(
It's all decided by Pirelli again, I hate that :s

[Ranger]

Very strange race.

Ricciardo is doing his future prospects no harm at all.

[truefan72]

and now hamilton comes into the pits with the most useless strategy
beyond ridiculous, stupid strategy neither a 3 nor a 4 stopper and simply costing them totally

[steveaki13]

Now past by a Williams? He'll be fighting Marussia soon

[Ranger]

lewis getting humiliated :(
It's all decided by Pirelli again, I hate that :s

Tyres are the same for everyone.

...except for the ones that delaminate. :p

[gm99]

LOL - Lewis on the radio: "I got overtaken by a Williams!"

[steveaki13]

Now the pit stops are happening the gaps are opening up. Interesting but a bit farsical race.

[truefan72]

why on earth mercedes decides to put hamilton and rosberg on a 3 stop strategy is an epic failure
heads must roll

[steveaki13]

LOL - Lewis on the radio: "I got overtaken by a Williams!"


That was fantastically funny

[webberf1]

Lol Brundle, "I spent my whole career getting overtaken by a Williams"

[steveaki13]

why on earth mercedes decides to put hamilton and rosberg on a 3 stop strategy is an epic failure
heads must roll



Really its just tyre issues must be resolved.

[Koz]

Does Merc have enough tyres to finis the race?

[dj_bytedisaster]

That's gonna be a four stopper for everyone but Kimi. It's a friggin' travesty.

[donKey jote]

Ham: "I can't drive any slower" :eek: :laugh:

[truefan72]

so hamilton is trying to drive faster and they are telling him to drive slower
stupid mercedes
if they let him on a 4 stopper like everyone else he would be more competitive
this is a humilating performance by all in mercedes
I've never seen a car that were 1,2 in qualy so terrible in a race
I'm disgusted

[steveaki13]

Brundle was mostly lapped by Williams. lol. How dominate they were back then is unreal when you see them now.

Also Brundle didnt often get to race Williams.

[henners88]

Also Brundle didnt often get to race Williams.
He doesn't often get to be on many peoples tv's these days either.

[dj_bytedisaster]

vettel fighting Kimi - there go the tires ...

[Koz]

Is that a Marussia about to unlap itself?

[donKey jote]

Kimi unleashed...

[steveaki13]

He doesn't often get to be on many peoples tv's these days either.


Sorry that was nothing about what I was talking about?

[Koz]

Here you have it ladies and gentlemen, Marussia lapping with the same times as a Red Bull.

[truefan72]

ok now I'm officially on the "tires are ruining the racing" bandwagon
when RBR tells Vettel not to race Kimi for p3 you know its all messed up

[webberf1]

@ steveaki: im sure getting lapped was exactly what he meant

[truefan72]

Here you have it ladies and gentlemen, Marussia lapping with the same times as a Red Bull.

indeed
I'm not sure that this is what I want to see
this is not what F1 should be

[longisland]

Good defensive driving from Vettel. Surprised he actually LISTENS to his team orders😁😁

[henners88]

Sorry that was nothing about what I was talking about?
It didn't have to be.

Relegated on the track, relegated through viewer choice.

[kfzmeister]

Is that a Marussia breathing down Vettel's neck?? :D

[donKey jote]

Look out Ferrari, Kimi's on your tails :p

[dj_bytedisaster]

This is now officially the biggest farce since the 6 car race at Indianapolis. Until Pirelli are gone from F1 for good our favourite sport will be thorougly thrashed - what a farce!!

[steveaki13]

Nico smashing the back off the Toro Rosso. Awesomely bad pit release by Sauber and dim driving from Nico. He had time to hit the brakes and avoid the contact.

[donKey jote]

looks like it's all Kimi's... stoopid Pirelli :p :andrea:

:andrea:

[steveaki13]

This is now officially the biggest farce since the 6 car race at Indianapolis. Until Pirelli are gone from F1 for good our favourite sport will be thorougly thrashed - what a farce!!



Agree. But just as an example some fans including webberf1 seem to like this. I cant understand why if you love F1, but there you go

[Ranger]

More relevant is that they had no race pace only 3 weeks ago, despite starting at the front.

I'd be very surprised if either Mercedes won the race today.

See? I am right sometimes. :p

Gutierrez was looking every bit as good as Hulkenberg even before that pitlane crash for Nico. :up:

[truefan72]

so mercedes switches strategy and brings hamilton in
so they paced him on a 3 stopper then now switch to a 4 stopper, effectively ruining any points chances
bravo mercedes
ridiculous

[longisland]

He's my donkey candidate

[steveaki13]

Hamilton is going to be lapped today. Incredible

[steveaki13]

Delamination for Toro Rosso. What is happeing today?

[dj_bytedisaster]

Throw Pirelli out of F1 for good - just get the f**k rid of them...

[henners88]

Throw Pirelli out of F1 for good - just get the f**k rid of them...
Or give them a sensible brief.

[webberf1]

@ steveaki: I do agree this is getting a little too extreme with the tyres now. Barca is perhaps the hardest circuit on tyre graining and its bringing out the weakness in the pirellis big time. Obviously some work needs to be done to improve their durability (perhaps they could bring in a super hard compound) but I don't want pirelli to be shunned just because of this bad patch they're going through right now - overall their work has been fantastic.

[Koz]

Looks like we're going to see a Ferrari 1-2.

[donKey jote]

Kimi might still disagree :andrea:

2sec faster on the last lap :eek:
stoopid Pirelli :andrea: :D

[dj_bytedisaster]

Alonso a mammoth 7 seconds slower than in qualifying and still pulling away at the front - this is ridiculous.
I think ferrari has this in the bag. Ferrari and Lotus were the only teams not sabotaged by crippling tire degradation. They used that expertly. I'm especially happy for Felipe - he really deserves to visit the podium again.

[webberf1]

2nd biggest surprise of the race: Massa's only 19 seconds behind Alonso after 48 laps. Big improvement by FM from the last few races :P

[donKey jote]

teehee Ham getting lessons from Rosberg over the radio :p

[truefan72]

once again mercedes leaves it 3 laps too late to pit hamilton, letting the tires completely fall off the cliff
they need to fire both race day engineers

[steveaki13]

Hamilton has just been Lapped

[dj_bytedisaster]

once again mercedes leaves it 3 laps too late to pit hamilton, letting the tires completely fall off the cliff
they need to fire both race day engineers

They need to burn down the Pirelli camp

[Koz]

Will Rosberg get lapped?

[steveaki13]

Red Bulls 41 & 52 seconds off the lead in 4th & 5th. Big gaps today

[webberf1]

You are right, this is pretty farcical. Pirelli do need to give their tyres more durability. Watching some of the onboard shots the drivers are nowhere near the limit.
But I have to say I dont think the situation will be anywhere near as bad in this regard in Monaco and Canada - which should be fantastic races.

[steveaki13]

Sutil about to attack Lewis.....


In a racing car I mean. :s mokin:

[donKey jote]

10 laps to go... will Alo's tyres hold? :bandit:

stoopid Pirelli :andrea: :p

[donKey jote]

go Massa :devil:

[donKey jote]

Jenson: Checo is slower than you :p :andrea:

[webberf1]

Gutierrez closing in on Ricciardo for 10th place. I will admit its a joke if the Gut scores a point lol.

[pino]

Go Felipe !

[CaptainRaiden]

It's amazing how Mercedes eats so much rubber and manages to remain so slim! Where does she put it?!? :eek:

[donKey jote]

Checo: don't even think about it ! :p :andrea:

[steveaki13]

Tyre issues but Rosberg about to make a 3 stopper work

[donKey jote]

Go on Sergio, do a Vettel :p

[truefan72]

are mclaren kidding me?
they are trying to tell perez to hold station?
when he could easily dispatch button and both rosberg and diresta might be there for the taking?

what a fiasco
let perez by and let button deal with his slowness

[truefan72]

Go on Sergio, do a Vettel :p

yup

nonsense call by team mclaren
pathetic

[truefan72]

so mclaren are pretty much ruining perez'a race
if they had let him by button
he would have chased down rosberg and diresta
instead he gets held up by button

[CaptainRaiden]

are mclaren kidding me?
they are trying to tell perez to hold station?
when he could easily dispatch button and both rosberg and diresta might be there for the taking?

what a fiasco
let perez by and let button deal with his slowness

I reckon if Mclaren's golden boy and WDC contender (Button) hadn't thrown his toys out of the pram after Bahrain, we wouldn't be seeing this farce right now.

[Tazio]

Go Felipe!! :andrea:

[dj_bytedisaster]

yup

nonsense call by team mclaren
pathetic

Button +6 over quali, perez -1. It's a known phenomenon that you kill your tires if you dare to attack. Blame the apes at Pirelli, not McLaren.

[steveaki13]

Pic chasing Bottas for all his worth. Good effort.

[donKey jote]

Thanks Pirelli :andrea: :p :woot:

Forza Ferralonsooooo :D :D

[Tazio]

http://www.elpais.com/recorte/20061029elpepudep_3/XLCO/Ies/Fernando_Alonso_recibe_calor_Oviedo.jpg

:andrea: :wave:

[donKey jote]

great podium :up: :D

[truefan72]

I'm completely disgusted with mercedes
that's all I have to say
I'll see everyone in 2 weeks

I need a break, to get out and decompress from this joke of a race
congrats Alonso

cya

[donKey jote]

P6 behind the redbulls and you're disgusted?
I guess you're a true ham fan ;) :p

[webberf1]

Where's faster69 when you want to bag the **** out of someone? :P

[donKey jote]

tiinta tachinta tachinta tachintatata

[Tazio]

http://s10.postimg.org/43oh4utxl/RTL_Television_2013_05_12_15_44_03.jpg

[AndyL]

Surprising to see Rosberg getting a decent finish from a 3-stop strategy, despite Mercedes' supposed tyre problems. In fact I think he was the last of the 3-stoppers to make their last stop bar Chilton.

Disappointed for Van Der Garde. He had good speed and it was looking like his best race so far until the wheels fell off.

[donKey jote]

ta ta taraaaa
ta ta taraaaa

tiri ti tiroriroriii
tiroriroriii tirirí

tiritititin tin tirintin tin

[AndyL]

so mclaren are pretty much ruining perez'a race
if they had let him by button
he would have chased down rosberg and diresta
instead he gets held up by button

I doubt he would have gained any more places since DiResta was on the same strategy.

[Tazio]

tiinta tachinta tachinta tachintatata

http://i46.tinypic.com/hv9ul3.gif :beer:

[dj_bytedisaster]

P6 behind the redbulls and you're disgusted?
I guess you're a true ham fan ;) :p

Did you see the helmet in his avatar? ;)
But I agree with him. This race was a bloody farce. It had nothing to do with f1 racing at all. The podium was decided at the Pirelli HQ, not on the track. Pirelli needs to go and they need to go fast.

[pino]

What a great day for Ferrari and all tifosi ! :D

[donKey jote]

I forgot the http://i46.tinypic.com/hv9ul3.gifhttp://i46.tinypic.com/hv9ul3.gifhttp://i46.tinypic.com/hv9ul3.gifhttp://i46.tinypic.com/hv9ul3.gif :p

[truefan72]

P6 behind the redbulls and you're disgusted?
I guess you're a true ham fan ;) :p

first of all I make no secret that I'm rooting for Hamilton, and my main anger is towards his side of the garage. Just because Rosberg is his teammate doesn't mean I'm under any obligation to like or care about his performance. Even though I wish him well. My concern is about hamilton and the overall mercedes strategy.

but lets not forget that Rosberg started on POLE! for the 2nd race in a row I might add
second, it was a shambolic performance by the car in race trim and an even worse strategy by team engineers
Rosberg was lucky to get 6th and did a fine job in 3 stopper, which I suppose they had planned for hamilton too and if executed would have at least seen him salvage a point or two

a p6 &p12 is nothing to be proud about nothing whatsoever.
Given that the cars were lined up p1 & p2
and they still havent sorted out their race pace.
It was a humilating performance today
to get beat by torro rosso and rookie man in a sauber, and both mclaren's is nothing to celebrate about.
Add to that the calamity with vergne and hulkenberg and Hmilton would easily have been down a further 2 places.
and if mclaren had told button to let perez by earlier, he would have probably passed rosberg too.
so yes, to me it was a disgusting performance
made even worse by crap race engineers who couldn't figure out what strategy to put Hamilton on as well.

[kfzmeister]

Who.is.da.man?

Ladies and Gentleman. We have just seen the real pecking order for the remainder of the season! :D

[wedge]

A third of the race run and a second round of stops - WTF!

A gave up following the race afterwards and it became background telly. I couldn't even give a driver/donkey of the race nominations which says it all really so don't be surprised if you see me posting less and doing an Ioan and lurk in a Private tab.

F1 really needs to take a long hard look at itself though to be fair getting the tyres 'right' is a black art as it appears the Hards aren't hard enough for Barcelona.

[Whyzars]

a p6 &p12 is nothing to be proud about nothing whatsoever.
Given that the cars were lined up p1 & p2
and they still havent sorted out their race pace.
It was a humilating performance today


Not humiliating at all.

The Mercedes cars may have highlighted the achilles heel in the tyres far more effectively than any of the other cars on the grid.

If the provided tyre is not able to perform equally for all teams then it is possibly a flawed tyre. The responsibility should not rest with any team to change their car to suit a tyre.

F1 should insist on tyres that perform equally for all teams or allow the teams to contract their own tyre manufacturer.

JMHO of course.

[vhatever]

Might as well change the name to circuit de crapola.

first time in the entire history of wtaching F1 I fell asleep twice while watching it.

Did anything EVER happen in the whole race? Only interesting bit I saw the whole race was Vettel and kimi racing for a corner or two and then rocky telling vettel to knock it off.

Great stuff. Really.

[steveaki13]

3 or 4 times more DRS is the answer.

[faster69]

Might as well change the name to circuit de crapola.

first time in the entire history of wtaching F1 I fell asleep twice while watching it.

Did anything EVER happen in the whole race? Only interesting bit I saw the whole race was Vettel and kimi racing for a corner or two and then rocky telling vettel to knock it off.

Great stuff. Really.

i thought it was a typical processional f1 race of yore. you haven't been watching long if you thought THAT race was terrible.

[faster69]

why on earth mercedes decides to put hamilton and rosberg on a 3 stop strategy is an epic failure
heads must roll

rosberg managed his tyres, hamilton didn't.

[dj_bytedisaster]

rosberg managed his tyres, hamilton didn't.

He shouldn't have to. It's called the F1 Grand Prix of Spain, not the Tire Conservation Convention of Oxford. Barcelona was a non-race.

[Hawkmoon]

He shouldn't have to. It's called the F1 Grand Prix of Spain, not the Tire Conservation Convention of Oxford. Barcelona was a non-race.

Conserving the car, be it fuel, tyres or any other component, is nothing new in F1. It's been a part of grand prix racing from the beginning.

A balance needs to be stuck between the driver's need to manage their tyres and their ability to drive to their limits and those of the car but I much prefer the F1 of today than what we had in the '90's where each race was a short sprint between fuel stops and the tyres were a non-factor.

[kfzmeister]

Barcelona was a non-race.

Not what Alonso said.

[dj_bytedisaster]

Not what Alonso said.

If I remember correctly, he wasn't too thrilled with Pirelli, even after he won. Fact is - Barcelona was a farce. And what Hembery said in his post-race interview is just totally unacceptable. He said that if they make the tires more durable they might be accused of handing the title to Red Bull. So here we have a supplier, who admits that they made a component deliberately designed to to slow down one team - that's unacceptable. Nobody wants a repeat of 2000-2004, but it is the job of Mclaren, Ferrari and Lotus to make sure it doesn't happen. A corrupt supplier deliberately sabotaging a team isn't the way to go. In fact under European economic laws Hembery admitted to a criminal offense.
I don't know the English word - in German it's called Wettbewerbsverzerrung Translates to something like "malicious interferrence with economic competition."

[faster69]

He shouldn't have to. It's called the F1 Grand Prix of Spain, not the Tire Conservation Convention of Oxford. Barcelona was a non-race.

a grand prix isn't necessarily a sprint race. when cars were fragile drivers had to manage or nurse their car in some way. cars today are bulletproof in terms of reliability, so tyres are a part of the car for them to manage.

i thought the race was boring and a foregone conclusion after 10 laps. i don't understand the fuss about the tyres.

[Hawkmoon]

If I remember correctly, he wasn't too thrilled with Pirelli, even after he won. Fact is - Barcelona was a farce. And what Hembery said in his post-race interview is just totally unacceptable. He said that if they make the tires more durable they might be accused of handing the title to Red Bull. So here we have a supplier, who admits that they made a component deliberately designed to to slow down one team - that's unacceptable. Nobody wants a repeat of 2000-2004, but it is the job of Mclaren, Ferrari and Lotus to make sure it doesn't happen. A corrupt supplier deliberately sabotaging a team isn't the way to go. In fact under European economic laws Hembery admitted to a criminal offense.
I don't know the English word - in German it's called Wettbewerbsverzerrung

What a load of rubbish. 9 of the 11 teams are either happy with the tyres or are dealing with them and don't want a change. The other 2 don't seem to want to do anything about finding a solution and instead continue to whinge. In no way, shape or form have Pirelli deliberately made a tyre to slow down Red Bull. Ferrari and Lotus make the tyres work. Mercedes obviously don't. Red Bull can get the tyres to work, just not to the same extent that Lotus can. If Pirelli changed the tyres to suit Red Bull, despite the majority of teams being opposed to a change, then Hembrey is right and they would be handing to title to Red Bull as the tyres are the Red Bull's only major weakness. That would be, as you put it, unacceptable.

[Rollo]

first of all I make no secret that I'm rooting for Hamilton

You're a bit keen aren't you? :D

Well, don't wait for the green light... off you go.
http://www.royandhg.com/clubbuggery/rhg7.jpg

[dj_bytedisaster]

What a load of rubbish. 9 of the 11 teams are either happy with the tyres or are dealing with them and don't want a change. The other 2 don't seem to want to do anything about finding a solution and instead continue to whinge. In no way, shape or form have Pirelli deliberately made a tyre to slow down Red Bull. Ferrari and Lotus make the tyres work. Mercedes obviously don't. Red Bull can get the tyres to work, just not to the same extent that Lotus can. If Pirelli changed the tyres to suit Red Bull, despite the majority of teams being opposed to a change, then Hembrey is right and they would be handing to title to Red Bull as the tyres are the Red Bull's only major weakness. That would be, as you put it, unacceptable.

We had complaints about the tires by:

- Sergio Perez
- Just about everyone at Red Bull
- Just about everyobe at Mercedes
- Hülkenberg
- Sutil

I for once put my money where my mouth is and will press charges against Pirelli for malicious interference with economic competition at the EU court at Strasbourg. That hembery interview after the race was a bad idea, especially admitting to deliberately slowing down a certain team. It's gonna be expensive, but if it gets the scheming mafiosi expelled from F1 it'll gonna be worth every damn penny.

[Hawkmoon]

We had complaints about the tires by:

- Sergio Perez
- Just about everyone at Red Bull
- Just about everyobe at Mercedes
- Hülkenberg
- Sutil

I for once put my money where my mouth is and will press charges against Pirelli for malicious interference with economic competition at the EU court at Strasbourg. That hembery interview after the race was a bad idea, especially admitting to deliberately slowing down a certain team. It's gonna be expensive, but if it gets the scheming mafiosi expelled from F1 it'll gonna be worth every damn penny.

The only teams that have whinged about the tyres are Red Bull and Mercedes and in Mercedes case the whinging has been mostly Nikki Lauda. Drivers will always complain about anything that prevents them from doing anything other than drive flat out. If they weren't complaining about the tyres they'd be complaining about something else. Correct me if I'm wrong but when asked the majority of teams were opposed to changes were they not?

Let me know how you go when you try and sue a multi-national company because they aren't making it easy for your favourite driver to win races. I'm sure the courts will be sympathetic. :rolleyes:

[dj_bytedisaster]

Let me know how you go when you try and sue a multi-national company because they aren't making it easy for your favourite driver to win races. I'm sure the courts will be sympathetic. :rolleyes:

In fact the 'favourite driver' I would want to win is Kimi, so this has nothing to do with drivers preference. but I would prefer him winning because of his driving, not because his team, which provides the Pirelli test car, miracilously almost consistently needs one stop less than the opposition. Pirelli is making a mockery of my favourite sport and I'm not going to sit on my hands while some Pirelli dimwit drawls on live TV how they cannot change the tires or some team would win. That's pure and unadulterated manipulation. I'm just a non-descript mothertrucker, but if I can take the fight to the scheming *******s at Pirelli, I will try, even at the risk of losing.

[donKey jote]

A corrupt supplier

jeez take a pill man :rolleyes:

[henners88]

It's the same for everyone as the team principles keep saying.