Wrc Rally Argentina 2013

[jbmarcus21]

Google Earth Map & Timetable #rallyargentina13 online Wrc Philips Rally Argentina 2013 (http://planetemarcus.com/saison-wrc/argentine-2013/)

[Tom206wrc]

Not a very exciting entrylist :mark:
Would have liked to see Robert Kubica in Argentina :(

[Andre Oliveira]

Entry list (http://www.ewrc-results.com/startlist.php?e=6535&t=Rally-Argentina-2013)
Pozzo with Mini from Motorsport Italia instead Fiesta.

[Co-driven]

Entry list (http://www.ewrc-results.com/startlist.php?e=6535&t=Rally-Argentina-2013)
Pozzo with Mini from Motorsport Italia instead Fiesta.

He confirmed last weekend that he will start the rally with a Fiesta:

POZZO ANUNCIÓ QUE CORRERÁ EL PHILIPS LED RALLY ARGENTINA CON UN FORD FIESTA RS WRC DEL EQUIPO M-SPORT (http://www.gabrielpozzorally.com/index.php/archivo-de-noticias/89-gabriel-pozzo-anuncio-que-correra-el-philips-led-rally-argentina-con-un-ford-fiesta-rs-wrc-del-equipo-m-sport)

[Andre Oliveira]

Official entry list tricked me.

[dimviii]

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[ZequeArgentina]

Not very good news for Pozzo.
He will not test M_sport Focus prior to the shakedown.

Pozzo has not touch a wrc since maybe 2002, noy even a S2000 after some initial tests of Fabia S2000.
Only drove group N cars, and lately argentinean MaxiRally (sort of S2000 cars).

Really mean I shoud not expect him to do any good time. I can not understand to spend that much money in a wrc car, but not plan a tests.

There is no way he can get to grips with the car on time. Also long km for each special mean less possibility to change anything on the car, not wise move.

[A FONDO]

I can't wait for this rally!


Loeb just he is going to ridicule him at every singlerally he will enter.

[A FONDO]

I can't wait for this rally!


Loeb just he is going to ridicule him at every singlerally he will enter.

[dimviii]

I can't wait for this rally!

dont be shy,tell us your predictions about the semiretired Loeb with 6 months absence from gravel.

[A FONDO]

dont be shy,tell us your predictions about the semiretired Loeb with 6 months absence from gravel.

Now he has become "semiretired with absence" [attachment=1:2mngcmib]blah.gif[/attachment:2mngcmib]

http://www.motorsportforums.com/wrc/113530-jari-matti-latvala-14.html#post1113792

If somebody even appear in Argentina, his excuse will be lost of rhythm :)

big drivers doesn t need excuses. ;)

[dimviii]

Now he has become "semiretired with absence" 3138

http://www.motorsportforums.com/wrc/113530-jari-matti-latvala-14.html#post1113792

isn t he semiretired?

[A FONDO]

isn t he semiretired?

He is, but why mention it, isn't he big driver who doesn't need excuses, isn't he going to ridicule him at every singlerally he will enter?!

[dimviii]

He is, but why mention it
so if he is semiretired why you said that i said excuses?Just the truth.


isn't he big driver who doesn't need excuses, isn't he going to ridicule him at every singlerally he will enter?!

of course he will be faster,even he is semiretired.
Where did you saw the excuses?

[Kielder]

Dani Sordo rolled during the Road Show in Buenos Aires. Crew and car are OK. Amazing.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BI4WqkoCcAATwyj.jpg:large
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https://twitter.com/karina_rally/status/328218509182136320/photo/1/large

[Motorsportfun]

Definitely not the best warm-up for next weekend... looks he didn't learn that much in Sardinia this week! :D

[Dingardo]

Segunda pasada de Dani Sordo y vuelco con el Citroen DS3, Desafio de los Grandes en Pilar Argentina - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bAr9XhE5EM&feature=player_detailpage#t=188s)
Looks like he just put the car sideways too much, dug into the dirt and flipped it

[Kielder]

The images from 5:26 onwards are priceless. :)

[dimviii]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7b3g2jeLqs

[Kielder]

The photo that we missed in Mexico and Portugal:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BI9LI5sCYAAnjEk.jpg:large

[Kielder]

Argentina is different:

http://a.yfrog.com/img862/2741/tc6wv.jpg

[Kielder]

I suppose these are the kind of things that Loeb got tired of:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BI-KUiVCEAAwvi5.jpg:large

[Kielder]

Great teach-inside video of modifications on the cars due to the many water splashes in this rally:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfA8rqzlqCc

[dimviii]

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[dimviii]

wtf!!
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[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BI-KUiVCEAAwvi5.jpg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?client=mv-google&gl=GR&hl=el&v=Nrr1M371MG4&nomobile=1
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more photos from service park
https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/417844_601752909836957_1618043350_n.jpg

[dimviii]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Dd8MU5SiY0k

[Kielder]

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Congratulations to Ogier for his fourth win in a row :p .

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[dimviii]

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Homenaje a Sebastien Loeb | Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.511218438925509.1073741827.137589512955072&type=1)

[Loose_Unit]

http://oi41.tinypic.com/34dt0sn.jpg

Is it just me or does this chick really look like Michael Jackson?

[Kielder]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/940835_328693883923299_1028333422_n.jpg

[Kielder]

Citroen uses in Argentina a joker in the homologation of the DS3. The car incorporates a new intake manifold. As it's obvious, a slightly better performance is expected.

[dimviii]

Colin Clark ‏@voiceofrally (https://twitter.com/voiceofrally)1ω (https://twitter.com/voiceofrally/status/329182287453372416)
Explanation from @DaniSordo (https://twitter.com/DaniSordo) about THAT roll. Tyre pressure was too low, as he turned, it came of the rim, and rim dug into the soft ground!

Colin Clark ‏@voiceofrally (https://twitter.com/voiceofrally)1ω (https://twitter.com/voiceofrally/status/329181891443957760)
Had a brief chat with @CarlosdelBarrio (https://twitter.com/CarlosdelBarrio) this morning. Tells me the stages are very dusty, and don't really look like Argentina!

[bluuford]

Weather shortly:
Tomorrow:
QS- cloudy, small risk of a few raindrops +20..+22 degrees
SS1- cloudy, small risk of a few raindrops.. +19..+21 dgrees

Thursday:
medium rain in the morning.
Ss2 and SS3 Light to medium rain expected ..+15..+16
SS4, 5 Medium to heavy rain expected
Friday:
heavy rain overnight maybe something early in the morning
rest of the rally will be dry.

[Kielder]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BJLBJJLCIAExEc7.jpg:large

[jbmarcus21]

[GALERIE PHOTOS] Service Park #rallyargentina Wrc Philips Rally Argentina 2013 (http://planetemarcus.com/saison-wrc/argentine-2013/)

http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/8950/94188610151598486785733.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/825/94188610151598486785733.jpg/)

[dimviii]

Free Pratice 2 Loeb Ogier+0.3 Latvala+0.7 Hirvo+1.1 Ostberg+2 Sordo+2.2 Novikov+3.1 Neuville+3.3

[Rasantes]

Waiting for the QS...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BJLrgF5CQAEC3pG.jpg:large

[dimviii]

After Free practice: @rallyargentina (https://twitter.com/rallyargentina)1.Loeb 2:32.32 Ogier 32.63 Latvala 33.04 Hirv 33.45 Øst 34.36 Sord 34.57 Nov 35.4

[makinen_fan]

And Loeb is back on top so far in quali!

[rallye-vid]

JML
Loeb +0.035
Ogier +0.3
Sordo +0.912
Hirvonen +0.951
Ostberg +1.3
Neuville +1.8
Novikov +2.7
Mikkelsen +3.7

[Mintexmemory]

JML
Loeb +0.035
Ogier +0.3
Sordo +0.912
Hirvonen +0.951
Ostberg +1.3

Now that is interesting - Loeb is here to fight for a win so VW may be asking JML to be their hare in order to push him to the Limit, meanwhile Ogier can drive to stay ahead of the rest and pick up the pieces.

Just hope that VW don't use team orders if the opportunity arises

[Fast Eddie WRC]

[/*:m:2hekl9za]
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JML
Loeb +0.035
Ogier +0.3
Sordo +0.912
Hirvonen +0.951
Ostberg +1.3
Neuville +1.8
Novikov +2.7
Mikkelsen +3.7

Fords slow on QS... not good omen.

[bluuford]

Ford guys are not very good on choosing their road-positions.. so.. they do not want to be first to decide :-P

[Rally Talent]

This is the first rally for JML with his car fully set up for him. Despite the possible tactics, I would assume he is going to be quite fast this time. Another question is whether he can keep his vehicle in between the ditches up until to the end of the rally...

[Rasantes]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BJMWi7eCIAAHErE.jpg:large

[dimviii]

http://i83.servimg.com/u/f83/14/82/87/95/11934_10.jpg

[Mintexmemory]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BJMWi7eCIAAHErE.jpg:large

Interesting that the 11/12 whose autographs I have (never seen Mr Pozzo in action) sign their names so consistently - must be all the practice they get!
Any poster got all 12?

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BJMKu25CYAQg4l3.jpg:large

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Live stream for the SSS anyone ??

[dimviii]

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[dimviii]

1 hour more for ss1?

[Rasantes]

2013 WRC Rally Argentina - a set on Flickr (http://www.flickr.com/photos/bestofrallylive/sets/72157633380483815/)


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[dimviii]

have forgot the name of the blond Scandinavian female journalist.Anybody know his twitter link?

[had_zachau]

Prokop with Michelin tires?

https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/941496_521215187935373_1663825736_n.jpg

[rallyfiend]

Yep. Dumped DMACK.

[T.Maanteiden kuningas]

have forgot the name of the blond Scandinavian female journalist.Anybody know his twitter link?

Anette Latva-Piikkilä?

Google-kuvahaun tulos kohteessa http://img.mtv3.fi/mn_kuvat/mtv3/urheil ... 788543.jpg (http://www.google.fi/imgres?imgurl=http://img.mtv3.fi/mn_kuvat/mtv3/urheilu/ralli/2009/788543.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.mtv3.fi/urheilu/ralli/uutiset.shtml/2009/09/947598/ralli-anette-kesytti-koalan&h=416&w=555&sz=74&tbnid=Dir7M0SJtSMFsM:&tbnh=90&tbnw=120&zoom=1&usg=__MsFRcrJVrB82fCv7_z5_vOhtbLk=&docid=5nZiRpHuRrZSaM&sa=X&ei=8FyBUY_8KKn74QTz0IGAAw&ved=0CEcQ9QEwBA&dur=1978)

[dimviii]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Xwa2Ph4JRzQ

[dimviii]

Anette Latva-Piikkilä?

Google-kuvahaun tulos kohteessa http://img.mtv3.fi/mn_kuvat/mtv3/urheil ... 788543.jpg (http://www.google.fi/imgres?imgurl=http://img.mtv3.fi/mn_kuvat/mtv3/urheilu/ralli/2009/788543.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.mtv3.fi/urheilu/ralli/uutiset.shtml/2009/09/947598/ralli-anette-kesytti-koalan&h=416&w=555&sz=74&tbnid=Dir7M0SJtSMFsM:&tbnh=90&tbnw=120&zoom=1&usg=__MsFRcrJVrB82fCv7_z5_vOhtbLk=&docid=5nZiRpHuRrZSaM&sa=X&ei=8FyBUY_8KKn74QTz0IGAAw&ved=0CEcQ9QEwBA&dur=1978)

not this.there is another one that follows wrc lately with good interviews,i think is from Norway?

[makinen_fan]

not this.there is another one that follows wrc lately with good interviews,i think is from Norway?

do you mean rosanna tenant? the one doing the various interviews with drivers?

[dimviii]

do you mean rosanna tenant? the one doing the various interviews with drivers?
yep!Ευχαριστωωωωω!


first crews through
http://rally-base.com/2013/rally-argentina-2013/?ssId=1660


edit Rossana not in Argentina

[PLuto]

Start list to first super special stage - Rally Argentina 2013 - Start order - section 1, leg 1 - Rally-Base (http://rally-base.com/2013/rally-argentina-2013/start-list/?startTimeTypeId=309)

We will be here for a very long time, despite only few crews on the start...

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BJM-oUXCEAEENt6.jpg:large

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Here we go... Seb vs Seb ! :bounce:

[stefanvv]

http://www.volkswagen-motorsport.com/fileadmin/user_upload/Fans_Friends/1%20WRC/Rallye/Argentinien/Berichterstattung/2013/20130501/Galerie_des_Tages/886x498_vw-20130501-5509.jpghttp://www.volkswagen-motorsport.com/fileadmin/user_upload/Fans_Friends/1%20WRC/Rallye/Argentinien/Berichterstattung/2013/20130501/Galerie_des_Tages/886x498_vw-20130501-5512.jpghttp://www.volkswagen-motorsport.com/fileadmin/user_upload/Fans_Friends/1%20WRC/Rallye/Argentinien/Berichterstattung/2013/20130501/Galerie_des_Tages/886x498_vw-20130501-5511.jpg

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Ogier beats Loeb by 2.2 ... Sordo splits them...

[bluuford]

It looks like it is raining slightly on SS2and SS3. And it is very likely that there is more to come befroe tomorrow morning, during tomorrow morning and during the day (little less during the day) and more in the evening.

[Kielder]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3YygGvKCs8

[Kielder]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6gDsXHL2Mg&feature=youtube_gdata_player

[noel157]

"Beating Loeb is not a priority for the team," said Capito. "It is somehow a priority for Seb [Ogier], but he is clever enough not to throw anything away for the championship just to fight with Loeb."

Ogier allowed to fight Loeb:

Argentina WRC: Ogier free to fight with Loeb - WRC news - AUTOSPORT.com (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/107134)

[Kielder]

Don't believe what they say, see what they do. Round 3 of the big battle is about to start.

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https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10151449353200678.1073741849.35390480677&type=1

[tommeke_B]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/225669_10200520580831750_1344368652_n.jpg Any quotes for this photo? :D

[dimviii]

Colin Clark ‏@voiceofrally (https://twitter.com/voiceofrally)7λ (https://twitter.com/voiceofrally/status/329914773036728320)
Morning rally friends. Looks like it could be a muddy one! It's been raining for a while, roads are wet. Visibility also interesting

[Mad cat jnr]

Colin Clark ‏@voiceofrally (https://twitter.com/voiceofrally)7λ (https://twitter.com/voiceofrally/status/329914773036728320)
Morning rally friends. Looks like it could be a muddy one! It's been raining for a while, roads are wet. Visibility also interesting

Im going for Novikov having an advantage then

[Rallyper]

For once I´m delighted seeing Loeb back in the field. This is what WRC needs. Big fight between big drivers. Hope also that other drivers can be in the fight as well.

Go LOEB!!!

[bluuford]

Colin Clark ‏@voiceofrally (https://twitter.com/voiceofrally)7λ (https://twitter.com/voiceofrally/status/329914773036728320)
Morning rally friends. Looks like it could be a muddy one! It's been raining for a while, roads are wet. Visibility also interesting

Good afternoon.. that was the part i could not belive yesterday. I was looking forecast maps and everything and it was clear rain fro the morning and some for the day and some more for tonight.. then I looked start positions.. then I doublechecked my forecast and it was still wet.. then I looked start positions again and then I triple checked my maps.. still rain. However, it looks like today might be a bit better weather (it should be quite wet again during the night) but still some fog and light rain is expected. Still, I am totally confused by the start order...

[WRC1]

Good afternoon.. that was the part i could not belive yesterday. I was looking forecast maps and everything and it was clear rain fro the morning and some for the day and some more for tonight.. then I looked start positions.. then I doublechecked my forecast and it was still wet.. then I looked start positions again and then I triple checked my maps.. still rain. However, it looks like today might be a bit better weather (it should be quite wet again during the night) but still some fog and light rain is expected. Still, I am totally confused by the start order...

GOOOOO Evgeny and ILKA!!! :)

[Mintexmemory]

Good afternoon.. that was the part i could not belive yesterday. I was looking forecast maps and everything and it was clear rain fro the morning and some for the day and some more for tonight.. then I looked start positions.. then I doublechecked my forecast and it was still wet.. then I looked start positions again and then I triple checked my maps.. still rain. However, it looks like today might be a bit better weather (it should be quite wet again during the night) but still some fog and light rain is expected. Still, I am totally confused by the start order...

Much has been said how quick the stage reverts to very hard bedrock, maybe the fisrt six or so cars will expose a hard line which is less slidey

We'll soon know LIVE now

[wwbroe]

Let's see if their start position is the right one. I am on Bluuford's side, looks kind of strange to me.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Ostberg said he was happy with his start position in the middle so wont be too bad whatever the conditions ...

[A FONDO]

First two cars with no splits .. ? :dozey:

[Mintexmemory]

I don't have rally radio - no splits for Novikov or Pozzo, problem?

[wwbroe]

WRR is working fine for me, no splits for first two cars tough...

[EightGear]

I don't have rally radio - no splits for Novikov or Pozzo, problem?

Only with the splits.

[Mintexmemory]

WRR is working fine for me, no splits for first two cars tough...
;) I meant I can't use RR as I'm at work (earphones not an option!)

[wwbroe]

No splits for Ostberg neither? Or another problem for the company that is taking care of the splits.

[Kielder]

No splits for Ostberg neither? Or another problem for the company that is taking care of the splits.

Obviously it is "B". :rolleyes:

[Kielder]

This is unacceptable:

http://i44.tinypic.com/13yhqwl.png

[jonkka]

On split 4, Mikko faster than Loeb :eek:

[WRC1]

45 seconds only on one stage over 27km´s for prokop is a shame...they could easely save money and drive a s2000 or rrc, anyway no Chance for a decent result...

[tommeke_B]

45 seconds only on one stage over 27km´s for prokop is a shame...they could easely save money and drive a s2000 or rrc, anyway no Chance for a decent result... But still... It is their money. :)

[Mintexmemory]

45 seconds only on one stage over 27km´s for prokop is a shame...they could easely save money and drive a s2000 or rrc, anyway no Chance for a decent result...

MP did say he wouldn't feel happy with the tires until the midway point of Day 1!!! However can't think the Tires make that much difference

[Mintexmemory]

No Ostberg?

[wwbroe]

What a waste system with split times :mad:

[WRC1]

hirvonen!!!!

[dimviii]

All 3 polos with gps problems,while ds3 all 3 are ok.Lets watch it at next stages

[wwbroe]

No Ostberg?

He is in finish of stage with atime of 18.33.4

[EightGear]

Sordo disappointing, 20 seconds slower than Mikko.

[Mintexmemory]

Ogier!! Looks like the starting order is right!!!

[Mintexmemory]

He is in finish of stage with atime of 18.33.4

Thanks the on-line time really are broken!

[dimviii]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/420731_10151414130308175_960975599_n.jpg

[Mintexmemory]

So who is surprised that Seb L is 8 secs slower than Seb O (and what excuses can he offer that don't involve 'I have been away from the pace of WRC since Sweden?)

[HarriK]

Prokop Martin - Ernst Michal (http://www.ewrc-results.com/driver_info.php?e=6535&s=37333&d=295724&t=Philips-LED-Rally-Argentina-2013)

Přehřívá se mu motor - Engine overheating

[jonkka]

So who is surprised that Seb L is 8 secs slower than Seb O

Not at all surprised. Loeb is shrewd enough not to blow it in first proper stage so I expect his pace will improve (even if Loeb can lose out to Ogi, he won't lose out to Mikko).

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Fords with wiper problems... What a joke.

[wwbroe]

Splits still not working properly on the second, 51 km long, stage of the day. It is strange that none of the VW drivers have splits.

[tommeke_B]

For those who still believe the timing-problems with SIT will get solved this year... They won't. :(

[Mirek]

MP did say he wouldn't feel happy with the tires until the midway point of Day 1!!! However can't think the Tires make that much difference

MP has some issues with engine. Already yesterday complained that it feels weak.

[Kielder]

There could be problems on this stage. There are crews who will have splits on their cars and others who won't have them (VW didn't have them on the last stage). That's an advantage or a disadvantage. Imagine that a driver without splits goes off...

[tommeke_B]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/420731_10151414130308175_960975599_n.jpg

On photos like these it's always funny to watch the people in the background :D

[dimviii]

So who is surprised that Seb L is 8 secs slower than Seb O (and what excuses can he offer that don't involve 'I have been away from the pace of WRC since Sweden?)

the only sure is Loeb will not say excuses,quite different to your beloved driver.

[Kielder]

Ogier losing some seconds at split 3. Mikko fastest.

[Kielder]

Pic of Latvala' rear left at the end of SS2. He went slightly wide and hit a rock.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BJQ2-F6CEAE6hi8.jpg

[Mintexmemory]

@ dimviii - My beloved driver is still running second to Ogier. The fact is that times change and I'm sorry that we'll never conclusively know if Seb L could have beaten the VW / Ogier combination but like it or not Ogier is showing he's a true Seb!

[dimviii]

@ dimviii - My beloved driver is still running second to Ogier. The fact is that times change and I'm sorry that we'll never conclusively know if Seb L could have beaten the VW / Ogier combination but like it or not Ogier is showing he's a true Seb!

we have 4 rallies this year,so we will have some ''safe'' conclusions,even Loeb without so many rally kms.

[wrc1600]

So who is surprised that Seb L is 8 secs slower than Seb O (and what excuses can he offer that don't involve 'I have been away from the pace of WRC since Sweden?)

Don't really get your point mate, not many people are surprised by times I can imagine, also accusing best rally driver in history of using excuses is ignorance.

[Kielder]

Sordo is stopped at the stage. He was losing more than 2 mins at split 5. :(

Edit: he is moving again. Ogier and Loeb overtook him.

[Mintexmemory]

Don't really get your point mate, not many people are surprised by times I can imagine, also accusing best rally driver in history of using excuses is ignorance.

I'm sorry that you feel my question for discussion to be ignorant, perhaps explanations or reasons would have been better words to have chosen for the answers to inevitable interview questions. My point is that a day 1, 27km stage loss of 8 seconds from a better start position is not typical Loeb.
As for best rally driver in history that is subjective, most successful is not necessarily the same thing ;)

[jonkka]

Mikkelsen seems to be a good choice by VW...

[dimviii]

My point is that a day 1, 27km stage loss of 8 seconds from a better start position is not typical Loeb.

explain it,because i can t understant how the 11th start position is better from 10th.

tell us who is the most succesfull for you.

[Kielder]

People who are at the stage say that Sordo rolled. The car is damaged on the front side.

[jonkka]

i can t understant how the 11th start position is better from 10th.

Theorically it must be or why would they choose lowest they can?

[Mintexmemory]

explain it,because i can t understant how the 11th start position is better from 10th.
Well Loeb chose it so it must be better (by defintion) ;)

[EightGear]

Jeez, Ogier behaving like a child again on the radio...

[dimviii]

(10 - Sordo Dani / Del Barrio Carlos): rolled, continue

[jonkka]

Ooh, Ogier not fastest? :eek:

[dimviii]

Well Loeb chose it so it must be better (by defintion) ;)

this is an excuse.You could say that your claim is false.

[wrc1600]

I'm sorry that you feel my question for discussion to be ignorant, perhaps explanations or reasons would have been better words to have chosen for the answers to inevitable interview questions. My point is that a day 1, 27km stage loss of 8 seconds from a better start position is not typical Loeb.
As for best rally driver in history that is subjective, most successful is not necessarily the same thing ;)
He doesn't have to win every single stage or rally as he has proved everything to everyone over last 9 years, especially after a break. If can point out the other one with 9 consecutive titles then fine.

[makinen_fan]

That's very bad to say from Ogier about Sordo's problem as a 'strategy' from Citroen to block him.

[Mintexmemory]

Jeez, Ogier behaving like a child again on the radio...

What's he said this time?

[dimviii]

Jeez, Ogier behaving like a child again on the radio...

what did he said?

[dimviii]

That's very bad to say from Ogier about Sordo's problem as a 'strategy' from Citroen to block him.

i have said million times that Ogier is full of excuses whan he looses.Thats why he will not be Loeb at my hart,even with 20 world rally championships.

[wrc1600]

Jeez, Ogier behaving like a child again on the radio...

Nothing new...

[EightGear]

Radioman: "Mikko was flying through that stage, how was it for you?"
Ogier: "No Mikko wasn't flying, they just had a good strategy because they let Sordo block me."
Radioman: "Sordo lost 5 minutes so far."
Ogier: "Yeah I don't care."

Something like that.

[Mintexmemory]

OK - was it said in an angry tone?

What was Latvala's problem anyone?

[makinen_fan]

I am with you Dim, he just is not the sports person Loeb is. He is competitive, the best driver at the moment, but he does not tick all the boxes for me.

[FAlonso]

The guy (Ogier) just can´t help himself when things don´t go his way. And it´s not just what he says. It´s the way he says it.

[Kielder]

Sordo says on the radio that his co-driver read a wrong note. :(

[jonkka]

JML surprisingly slow...

[EightGear]

OK - was it said in an angry tone?

Not really, afterwards he refused to talk in French as well.

[jonkka]

Other than that, overall situation looks interesting...

[dimviii]

Radioman: "Mikko was flying through that stage, how was it for you?"
Ogier: "No Mikko wasn't flying, they just had a good strategy because they let Sordo block me."
Radioman: "Sordo lost 5 minutes so far."
Ogier: "Yeah I don't care."

Something like that.

yes but from splits we see that he was slower from Loeb Mikko and Sordo before his roll.......
he mean that Sordo rolled for a reason? hahahahahhahaha!!!

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BJQxoSVCQAAg7J4.jpg

[wwbroe]

I am pleasantly surprised by Miko's times i must say, he is very competitive. If he can keep this pace up, he might actually be a contender for victory.

[Mise]

Mikko Fastest! wohoo!

[dimviii]

seems that we will have a nice rally.Pitty that in about 2 hours i have to leave for Easter till Tuesday,and difficult to have internet signal. :mad:

[dimviii]

Sordos rolled ds3
Dani Sordo rolled in SS3, heading back to Carlos Paz on road section with obvious damage @DaniSordo @CitroenRacing http://twitter.yfrog.com/f7vjmztncwtivvgbkfecbayoz (http://twitter.yfrog.com/f7vjmztncwtivvgbkfecbayoz?sa=0)

[T.Maanteiden kuningas]

HANAAA!!! Hana Mikko hana!

[Kielder]

Video of Sordo's damaged car:


http://twitter.yfrog.com/f7vjmztncwtivvgbkfecbayoz?sa=0

[tommeke_B]

seems that we will have a nice rally.Pitty that in about 2 hours i have to leave for Easter till Tuesday,and difficult to have internet signal. :mad:

Enjoy your holidays! :p

[dimviii]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/941340_459811727432221_2144504547_n.jpg

[dimviii]

Enjoy your holidays! :p
thats for sure.We have very good reasons to enjoy Ester at Greece :p

http://mylamia.com/main/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/arnia.jpg

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Funny if Mikko beats Loeb...

Never know !

[stefanvv]

Citroens fights back, interesting. Doesn't suit Ogier's excuses about one stage slower time, he is still at front. Latvala's tyres destroyed he said. What tyres are Citroen and VW running? Softs?

[MJW]

Funny if Mikko beats Loeb...

Never know !

Wont be allowed by Citroen

[dimviii]

Loeb at stage 3
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BJQ1Bx1CMAAQuek.jpg:large

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Wont be allowed by Citroen

Why.. Mikko is going for the Championship. ?

[Mintexmemory]

Loeb at stage 3
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BJQ1Bx1CMAAQuek.jpg:large
That looks bone dry!! Could be VW expected it to be wetter.
Second run should be very interesting

[dimviii]

Why.. Mikko is going for the Championship. ?

because we have to find a reason to proove that Loeb is useless.Haven t understant some forumers yet?

[dimviii]

That looks bone dry!! Could be VW expected it to be wetter.
Second run should be very interesting
here another photo,almost same gravel conditions
https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/923310_10201033295300354_1667391983_n.jpg

[Kielder]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BJRM1yhCcAAnyJa.jpg:large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BJRN2coCEAEVa2k.jpg:large

[wrc1600]

Wont be allowed by Citroen

I thought Mikko's points are more important

[MJW]

I thought Mikko's points are more important
My guess is that a Seb Loeb win is worth more marketing, what will it be 8 on the run in Argentina, Ogier gets the 2013 drivers championship (probably) there is more kudos for Citroen to say Loeb beats him (Ogier) when he is there at Monte, Argentina? and France? OK Seb Ogier spoiled the clean sweep in Sweden. Please dont EVER underestimate how much Loeb is worth to Citroen.

[Kielder]

Malcolm trying to find the key to success. He should look at the man who holds the towel, not to suspension of the car!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BJRPsgbCAAA_k1U.jpg:large

[wrc1600]

My guess is that a Seb Loeb win is worth more marketing, what will it be 8 on the run in Argentina, Ogier gets the 2013 drivers championship (probably) there is more kudos for Citroen to say Loeb beats him (Ogier) when he is there at Monte, Argentina? and France? OK Seb Ogier spoiled the clean sweep in Sweden. Please dont EVER underestimate how much Loeb is worth to Citroen.

But if Mikko is in front of Loeb at the end of the rally and he will get more points than Loeb in the whole season what is the point? It's better to get as many as possible and sit comfortably in second overall ahead of Latvala than lose it and at the end of season be third behind both VW because of team orders, isn't it?

[tommeke_B]

My guess is that a Seb Loeb win is worth more marketing, what will it be 8 on the run in Argentina, Ogier gets the 2013 drivers championship (probably) there is more kudos for Citroen to say Loeb beats him (Ogier) when he is there at Monte, Argentina? and France? OK Seb Ogier spoiled the clean sweep in Sweden. Please dont EVER underestimate how much Loeb is worth to Citroen.
If Loeb wins, it's Loeb who was fastest and won. If Hirvonen wins, it's the DS3 who was fastest and won... Think about it ;)

[stefanvv]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJr3NeDxoN0

[stefanvv]

If Loeb wins, it's Loeb who was fastest and won. If Hirvonen wins, it's the DS3 who was fastest and won... Think about it ;)

Argentita was probably the only 1 last year Hirvonen could beat Loeb cleanly if there were not team orders. Probably it is the best Rally in the calendar he could shine.

[Allyc85]

Sordo V Ogier ;)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjH9sB3yiUo

[Tom206wrc]

Too long waiting between first and second loop :(

[Mintexmemory]

Sordo V Ogier ;)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjH9sB3yiUo

Think I'd have been a bit miffed to be following in that cloud - anyone know how quickly Loeb got past Sordo?

[stefanvv]

Sordo V Ogier ;)

Now there is the question - why did not Sordo let Ogier pass him :confused: Looks like he is really trying to keep him behind, despite loosing loads of time :confused:

[Rasantes]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ml4XI2fItDU

[smsgrafica]

Now there is the question - why did not Sordo let Ogier pass him :confused: Looks like he is really trying to keep him behind, despite loosing loads of time :confused: Looks like Ogier wasn't completely wrong after all...

[wrc1600]

Now there is the question - why did not Sordo let Ogier pass him :confused: Looks like he is really trying to keep him behind, despite loosing loads of time :confused:

Do you really expect Sordo driving and looking back in the mirror on the stage? Especially he had only one? Ogier was good 200 m when footage starts and closed up about 100m at the end, I can't see any blocking, they didn't go bumper to bumper.

[stefanvv]

Looks like Ogier wasn't completely wrong after all...

I little bit too harsh, but loks that way. It's going to be interesting Rally

[stefanvv]

Do you really expect Sordo driving and looking back in the mirror on the stage? Especially he had only one?

Knowing how much time he lost, sports ethics says yes

EDIT: besides there is the very reasonable question from Mintexmemory, how fast Loeb passed him (after Ogier obviously struggling to)

[smsgrafica]

I bet stewards will be looking at the in-car, just to make sure the was no foul play. Nothing will happen, though

[wrc1600]

Knowing how much time he lost, sports ethics says yes

EDIT: besides there is the very reasonable question from Mintexmemory, how fast Loeb passed him (after Ogier obviously struggling to)
I see you have conspiracy theory, so imagine driving on the gravel and the only thing you can see in your only one mirror is dust and you have no time to even look back as you are on the stage, chasing lost time after roll.

[smsgrafica]

Well, it's common in rally to be in touch with the team after an accident, in order to know the road position of the other drivers and then to slow down to make for an easy passing. Other than looking in your mirrors, you should at least hear the other car's engine running...

[A FONDO]

Imagine how scared the french are if they have collapsed to so miserable and obvious methods. Now their fans must hide for at least a month if they have a small drop of dignity left.

[stefanvv]

I see you have conspiracy theory, so imagine driving on the gravel and the only thing you can see in your only one mirror is dust and you have no time to even look back as you are on the stage, chasing lost time after roll.

Well theories are just theories, until got proved. But I'm not the only one - even Loeb has them sometimes ;) (I can't quote you right now which Rally and year it was, but he was blaming Hirvonen I think)

[wrc1600]

Well, it's common in rally to be in touch with the team after an accident, in order to know the road position of the other drivers and then to slow down to make for an easy passing. Other than looking in your mirrors, you should at least hear the other car's engine running...

Have you ever tried to drive a rally car with intercome on and hear a car behind you? This is the game and drivers risk to drive 10th on the road.

[Mirek]

Well, it's common in rally to be in touch with the team after an accident, in order to know the road position of the other drivers and then to slow down to make for an easy passing. Other than looking in your mirrors, you should at least hear the other car's engine running...

What? Are You serious? No, You don't see back on gravel (badly even on asphalt because the S2000/WRC mirrors are very shaky) and You don't hear anything from outside especially if it's 200 meters behind You. Please don't write pure nonsenses.

[wrc1600]

Well theories are just theories, until got proved. But I'm not the only one - even Loeb has them sometimes ;) (I can't quote you right now which Rally and year it was, but he was blaming Hirvonen I think)

There was one when Mikko was blocking Sordo, until he hit his bumper Mikko didn't notice Sordo's car and that was on tarmac rally as far as I remember. So it's not that uncommon and it's not that easy to spot other car behind you.

[Mirek]

Such situation also always bring crazy theories. Always the same song...

[noel157]

Maybe there was no radio coverage or Matton was too "busy" to take the call. No big deal, long way to go.

[smsgrafica]

Please don't write pure nonsenses.So you are telling me there's no way you can hear a second engine behind you for a 3-4km stretch and you don't even dare to take a quick look to see if someone's there, since you are losing minutes (!) because you're driving so slow after a crash AND you know very well Loeb could catch up to you? THAT, my friend, is pure nonsense!

[wrc1600]

From I have seen there is nothing suspicious, both cars are quite far apart, Sordo was driving quite fast taking on damages to the car I would say normal stage speed, couldn't notice Ogier behind him on that section we have seen.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Sordo V Ogier ;)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjH9sB3yiUo

Cant see much wrong from that..

Just unlucky Seb O.

[wrc1600]

So you are telling me there's no way you can hear a second engine behind you for a 3-4km stretch and you don't even dare to take a quick look to see if someone's there, since you are losing minutes (!) because you're driving so slow after a crash AND you know very well Loeb could catch up to you? THAT, my friend, is pure nonsense!

My friend as said before get into rally car and drive on dusty, twisty, gravel road and try to see or hear anything some 100-200 m behind you. If you manage to that you are a genius. You can't tell that Ogier had to slow down as Sordo is far ahead of him.

[Mirek]

So you are telling me there's no way you can hear a second engine behind you for a 3-4km stretch and you don't even dare to take a quick look to see if someone's there, since you are losing minutes (!) because you're driving so slow after a crash AND you know very well Loeb could catch up to you? THAT, my friend, is pure nonsense!

Don't put words in my mouth, please. How did You come to conclusion they were running 4-5 km behind each other? From 18 seconds long video? In the video they are so far distant that they can't see each other through the dust. No way. And to hear the other car? Yes, that is absolute nonsense. You can't hear the other even if it's ten meters behind You.

You are just trying to invent some sensation where there is none. I'm quite tired of that because it happened so many times before. Always the same storm in a teacup.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Seb-O now told Becsy he lost 'a few seconds.. thats rally'... :)

I spoke to @sebogier at service earlier - this is what he said to me about what happened with Sordo on stage 3 #WRC wrc.com/news/argentina…

[spiderem]

tyre choice quite different between vw and citroen... for the second loop

[Rasantes]

2013 WRC Rally Argentina - a set on Flickr (http://www.flickr.com/photos/bestofrallylive/sets/72157633380483815/)


http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8258/8702748914_b144e8748c_b.jpg


http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8393/8701627623_9d1052a6f3_b.jpg


http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8130/8701626309_5bdfe613cf_b.jpg


http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8554/8701627451_1e115bea5a_b.jpg

[wwbroe]

Mads Ostberg stopped in the stage with broken steering arm.

[EightGear]

Sordo 5 minute penalty because he was late out of service..

[wwbroe]

Sordo 5 minute penalty because he was late out of service..

That seems a lot to me, considering he is behind Loeb on the stage. If he got 5 min penalty that should mean he was 30 mins late out of service?

[paddocknews]

Sordo 5 minute penalty because he was late out of service..



Car
No
Driver
Control
Reason
Penalty


10
D. SORDO (ESP)
TC3C
5M LATE
00:50

[EightGear]

That seems a lot to me, considering he is behind Loeb on the stage. If he got 5 min penalty that should mean he was 30 mins late out of service?

I got it from WRC twitter, also thought it was way too much, apparently it is 50 seconds because he was 5 minutes late.

[wwbroe]

I got it from WRC twitter, also thought it was way too much, apparently it is 50 seconds because he was 5 minutes late.

That looks much more correct :D

[EightGear]

Ogier incredibly fast between the last split and the finish...

[wwbroe]

Disappointing time for Miko on this one, loosing his second position to Loeb. Good time for JML but all will be on condition of tyres for the long remaining stage.

[Mirek]

2013 WRC Rally Argentina - a set on Flickr (http://www.flickr.com/photos/bestofrallylive/sets/72157633380483815/)


http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8258/8702748914_b144e8748c_b.jpg



Sordo clearly lost his rearview mirror in the roll.

[awake27]

Seems Citroen did wrong tyre choice for the short stage. Maybe on the longer (and longest) will pay off but the weather and temperatures are inclined in softs favour. And they have only one spare while VW has 2 hards to mix with its 4 softs just to be safe on the long one.

[stefanvv]

#WRC (http://search.twitter.com/search?q=WRC) teams already on their way to SS4. Tyre choice of #Volkswagen (http://search.twitter.com/search?q=Volkswagen) drivers: @SebOgier (http://www.twitter.com/SebOgier), @JariMattiWRC (http://www.twitter.com/JariMattiWRC) 4 soft, 2 hard, @AMikkelsenRally (http://www.twitter.com/AMikkelsenRally) 6 soft

[stefanvv]

http://www.volkswagen-motorsport.com/fileadmin/user_upload/Fans_Friends/1%20WRC/Rallye/Argentinien/Berichterstattung/2013/20130502/Galerie_des_Tages/886x498px_vw-20130502-5779-max-VW-WRC13-05-RB2-0258.jpghttp://www.volkswagen-motorsport.com/fileadmin/user_upload/Fans_Friends/1%20WRC/Rallye/Argentinien/Berichterstattung/2013/20130502/Galerie_des_Tages/886x498px_vw-20130502-5775-max-VW-WRC13-05-DR2-4747.jpghttp://www.volkswagen-motorsport.com/fileadmin/user_upload/Fans_Friends/1%20WRC/Rallye/Argentinien/Berichterstattung/2013/20130502/Galerie_des_Tages/886x498px_vw-20130502-5816-max-VW-WRC13-05-KM1-0230.jpg

[wrc1600]

Is Neuville off?

[makinen_fan]

He just finished. Very busy finish line from radio, 4 cars at the same time!

[awake27]

Last 1/3 or half part of the stage seems got slower than the first pass and split times after section 4 versus Novikov who is running first starts to stabilize and then decreasing at the next split.

[wwbroe]

Hirvonen is admitting that Citroen didn't have the best tyres for these stages

[wwbroe]

Sordo really looks slow in this stage

[makinen_fan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixCCwCEC3WQ

[mousti]

Survival of the fittest! Ogier looks to have some sort of problems, maybe puncture....

[wwbroe]

What happened with JML on last split??

[wwbroe]

Loeb also saying that they made wrong tyre choice. :mad:

[awake27]

stefanvv, nice photos there though I have the impression we see only Volkswagens most of the time.

[T.Maanteiden kuningas]

Hanaaa! Tyres are black round Michelin´s at this time.....keep going! Nice pace by Sebs and Mikko.

[stefanvv]

stefanvv, nice photos there though I have the impression we see only Volkswagens most of the time.

Thanks, is it? Well I guess they are, but I'm attached, can't help myself :D .

[stefanvv]

What happened with JML on last split??

Last man thru SS5, @JariMattiWRC (http://www.twitter.com/JariMattiWRC), takes P4. "Had problems with the handbrake. I was struggling a lot." @rallyargentina (http://www.twitter.com/rallyargentina) #WRC (http://search.twitter.com/search?q=WRC)

[stefanvv]

Looks like Ostberg hit a rock and broke steering arm. Very unfortunate

[Mirek]

I know I'm annoying with that but how the hell can there be a superally of 5 minutes for 52 km long stage? That just makes no sense if retired crews are faster than half of the competitors! Pozzo finished with problems but he is 1 minute slower than Oliviera who is sitting in service. Can You imagine what it is to drive 52 km long stage without power steering to be beaten by retired guys? That's just a farce.

[awake27]

Ogier already won 4 of 5 stages and built a nice cushion. Early signs of another consecutive steamrolling unless Citroen manage to decrease the gap and keep it alive for at least the final day.

[rallyfun]

I know I'm annoying with that but how the hell can there be a superally of 5 minutes for 52 km long stage? That just makes no sense if retired crews are faster than half of the competitors! Pozzo finished with problems but he is 1 minute slower than Oliviera who is sitting in service. Can You imagine what it is to drive 52 km long stage without power steering to be beaten by retired guys? That's just a farce.
I am in favor of superally but agree that fixed penalty is a nonsense. It should depend of the stage length.

[Kielder]

Prokop rolled in a slow corner on SS5:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BJSHSsTCYAAUE7X.jpg:large

[latek]

I know I'm annoying with that but how the hell can there be a superally of 5 minutes for 52 km long stage? That just makes no sense if retired crews are faster than half of the competitors! Pozzo finished with problems but he is 1 minute slower than Oliviera who is sitting in service. Can You imagine what it is to drive 52 km long stage without power steering to be beaten by retired guys? That's just a farce.

It's senseless, indeed. I much more prefer the solution they use for ERC - retired guys are out of the main standings and are allowed only to fight for bonus points.

[tfp]

Will ostbergs luck ever change??

[rallyfun]

It's senseless, indeed. I much more prefer the solution they use for ERC - retired guys are out of the main standings and are allowed only to fight for bonus points.

It make sens in ERC, M. Wilson said that already he won't restart any cars otherwise. At the moment when we have 10-12 WRC cars is worth it when you can still score points at least for the team. Monte is best example when on the last day there are couple of WRC cars. Unfortunately there is not enough teams, top drivers and money to make WRC interesting without Rally2.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Will ostbergs luck ever change??

Certainly not with MSport Ford, they are jinxed... anything that can go wrong, will go wrong ... :rolleyes:

I can hardly remember a recent WRC rally where a Ford was still in real contention after Day 1... Their best driver always seems about 1m30s behind... :(

No wonder Official Ford pulled the plug.

[Sulland]

How many steering arms has broken on Fords vs the other brands last 5 years? Seems like they are a weak point with the Blue Oval.

[Mirek]

It make sens in ERC, M. Wilson said that already he won't restart any cars otherwise. At the moment when we have 10-12 WRC cars is worth it when you can still score points at least for the team. Monte is best example when on the last day there are couple of WRC cars. Unfortunately there is not enough teams, top drivers and money to make WRC interesting without Rally2.

Sorry but You are wrong. In Monte 2013 only two WRC cars retired before last day (Neuville and Maurin). The year before it was three (Latvala, Maurin and Van Merksteijn). That is much less than what is normal in events with superally.

[Kielder]

There was one when Mikko was blocking Sordo, until he hit his bumper Mikko didn't notice Sordo's car and that was on tarmac rally as far as I remember. So it's not that uncommon and it's not that easy to spot other car behind you.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSHwh7r-d8s

At these are moments, drivers really get nervous. It has happened many times and it will happen again. Another recent example was Loeb versus Hirvonen in Portugal 2011:
First part of the story: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvtaWha4tko
Second part: Loeb's fury - WRC Rally de Portugal 2011 - Best-of-RallyLive - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=httiXbKihgU)

[rallyfun]

Sorry but You are wrong. In Monte 2013 only two WRC cars retired before last day (Neuville and Maurin). The year before it was three (Latvala, Maurin and Van Merksteijn). That is much less than what is normal in events with superally.

Because it is Monte and most drivers take a different approach to this tricky rally but apart from that I talking from spectator's point of view. To go thousands km and spend $$$ just not to see all drivers in last day is waste of time and money and I guess it is the same filling for team sponsors.

[stefanvv]

Another recent example was Loeb versus Hirvonen in Portugal 2011:
First part of the story: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvtaWha4tko
Second part: Loeb's fury - WRC Rally de Portugal 2011 - Best-of-RallyLive - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=httiXbKihgU)

Yeap, this is the one I was referring to... and Loeb was not even that close to him

[Wasted Talent]

I know I'm annoying with that but how the hell can there be a superally of 5 minutes for 52 km long stage? That just makes no sense if retired crews are faster than half of the competitors! Pozzo finished with problems but he is 1 minute slower than Oliviera who is sitting in service. Can You imagine what it is to drive 52 km long stage without power steering to be beaten by retired guys? That's just a farce.

Yes, absolutely ridiculous for a 52km stage. Surely they must change that....

Also - how come Oliveira gets the same notional time as Ostberg - I thought drivers were grouped woth others for these Rally2 times....

WT

[Kielder]

Pics at the end of SS5 (the first one is Ogier's car):

https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/944623_463172337093590_1066412978_n.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BJSTCJwCMAIwdTu.jpg:large

[rallyfun]

Yeap, this is the one I was referring to... and Loeb was not even that close to him

As I remember that rally he couldn't get close because of dust, it was nothing like we saw today with visibility at least 50m.

[smsgrafica]

http://www.volkswagen-motorsport.com/uploads/vw_pics/vw-20130501-5551-low-VW-WRC13-05-RB1-0361_copy.jpg
http://www.volkswagen-motorsport.com/uploads/vw_pics/vw-20130502-5818-low-VW-WRC13-05-KM1-0242.jpg
http://www.volkswagen-motorsport.com/uploads/vw_pics/vw-20130501-5497-low-VW-WRC13-05-DR1-0851.jpg

[stefanvv]

As I remember that rally he couldn't get close because of dust, it was nothing like we saw today with visibility at least 50m.

First it was Sordo not seing him because of the dust (and 1 mirror off), now the visibility is at least 50m. Finally?

[Kielder]

Yeap, this is the one I was referring to... and Loeb was not even that close to him

Sorry, I hadn't seen your message. I remember this one because I was at that stage hearing the Portuguese radio and I couldn't believe the commentator's words about Loeb's behaviour.
It's evident that on these situations on gravel rallies, the problem is that the driver who is in the dust has to assume an enormous risk to pass. On tarmac events, the problem to approach the car with problems doesn's exit. If the driver who is in front of you isn't a rival, the problem is even lower.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=oq4_X8SN7Lg

[Mirek]

Because it is Monte and most drivers take a different approach to this tricky rally but apart from that I talking from spectator's point of view. To go thousands km and spend $$$ just not to see all drivers in last day is waste of time and money and I guess it is the same filling for team sponsors.

You're contradicting Your previous post.

[Kielder]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMlHMoMi8Do

[rallyfun]

You're contradicting Your previous post.

No I am talking about the same Rally2.

[Mirek]

No I am talking about the same Rally2.


Yes, You are contradicting Yourself.


It make sens in ERC, M. Wilson said that already he won't restart any cars otherwise. At the moment when we have 10-12 WRC cars is worth it when you can still score points at least for the team. Monte is best example when on the last day there are couple of WRC cars. Unfortunately there is not enough teams, top drivers and money to make WRC interesting without Rally2.


Sorry but You are wrong. In Monte 2013 only two WRC cars retired before last day (Neuville and Maurin). The year before it was three (Latvala, Maurin and Van Merksteijn). That is much less than what is normal in events with superally.


Because it is Monte and most drivers take a different approach to this tricky rally but apart from that I talking from spectator's point of view. To go thousands km and spend $$$ just not to see all drivers in last day is waste of time and money and I guess it is the same filling for team sponsors.

Sorry, but I will not continue this discussion.

[rallyfun]

First it was Sordo not seing him because of the dust (and 1 mirror off), now the visibility is at least 50m. Finally?

I don't know what are you on about. You can see from pictures that Ogier couldn't see anything from 50m in places from behind of Sordo.

[rallyfun]

Yes, You are contradicting Yourself.







Sorry, but I will not continue this discussion.

In both post I am in favor of Rally2...

[wrc1600]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMlHMoMi8Do

That should close conspiracy theory discussion.

[Kielder]

That should close conspiracy theory discussion.

Yes, it should. Sordo lets him to pass the very first moment that he realises that Ogier is (several meters) behind him. So, finally when Sordo rolled last Saturday he wasn't doing an essay to prejudice Ogier today :p .

[tfp]

Certainly not with MSport Ford, they are jinxed... anything that can go wrong, will go wrong ... :rolleyes:

I can hardly remember a recent WRC rally where a Ford was still in real contention after Day 1... Their best driver always seems about 1m30s behind... :(

No wonder Official Ford pulled the plug.

other than JML at rally gb last year! They are jinxed :(

[stefanvv]

I don't know what are you on about. You can see from pictures that Ogier couldn't see anything from 50m in places from behind of Sordo.

That's 3rd contradiction I notice. But I'm not going to continue this discussion. Besides from the video above we see Sordo stops after the hairpin, so no problems.