ADAC Rallye Deutschland 2013

[Hartusvuori]

As I couldn't find yet a proper threahd for WRC Germany 2013 talk, I opened this new one.

Stage names were published yesterday (http://www.motorsportforums.com/wrc/128975-%5Bwrc%5D-news-rumours-part-ii-650.html#post1120801) and also the first maps are available on the event site:

Maps - ADAC Motorsport (http://www.adac-rallye-deutschland.de/uk/karten/static/)

Timetable I can't find yet. Looking at stage names - Friday, Saturday and Sunday looks a lot like last year. Thursday introduces the new stages for the evening when the rally comes back to Trier area from Cologne's ceremonial start.


This is the first time that the historic city on the Rhine has been chosen to stage the spectacular prelude to ADAC Rallye Deutschland, which is why it was necessary to make a tour of the locations.
Part of the plan is to get all the contestants together on the historic Butzweilerhof airfield after the transfer from Trier to Cologne. One other site in particular that needed inspecting was Roncalli Platz which is where the show start to the rally will take place in front of thousands cheering fans on Thursday 22nd August. The tour concluded with a visit to the starting point in the harbour area.


Also rally pass price was announced last week. It's now 69 euros. They've dropped the previous years' system with three different level of rally passes, now it's just one with one price.

Any comfirmation will the extra events run as usual?

And of course all rumouring about possible entries outside WRC regulars is welcomed :-)

I visited the event last year for the first time and liked it so much that will return this year too. Everything is booked - also the good weather.

[Mintexmemory]

H, I'm definitely going too - BBQ party?- The rally pass price is one level because they are not running the Porta Nigra SS on the Sunday in Trier this year. Which 'extra events' are you referring to? - the Slowly Sideways Classic rally car demonstration?

[MartijnS]

The national event will run too. Don't know when and where.

[pucky54]

In my opinion the schedule is so bad that its not even worth thinking about going there...

[Hartusvuori]

In my opinion the schedule is so bad that its not even worth thinking about going there...

I wouldn't go there back year after year either, if it stays like this, but I've only just started going.

Apart from the stages themselves, from last year's experience, the whole event was very well-organised all around.

I was referring to Slowly Sideways and the national event.

[MartijnS]

I think we will skip the shakedown and thursday, probably leaving from home friday early in the morning.
Possibly only going for 2 days or stay one more night for the two stages on sunday.

[hari]

I wouldn't go there back year after year either, if it stays like this, but I've only just started going.

Im going to my 11th Rallye Deutschland in a row and like every year i'm really looking forward to it. Especially every vineyard stage offers countless nice places.
Visiting can only be recommended.

[vino_93]

it will be my first time there :)
Do we know the price of each stage ? And is Stein and Wein a stage in vineyards ? :)
And what about Dronthal ? Only one big stage in France in 2010 was a big disappointment for me - because there was too people, and one loop was cancelled :(

[Hartusvuori]

Do we know the price of each stage ? And is Stein and Wein a stage in vineyards ? :)
And what about Dronthal ? Only one big stage in France in 2010 was a big disappointment for me - because there was too people, and one loop was cancelled :(

Last year it was 10 euros for single stage except 15 euros for Panzerplatte and the city stage. Don't know how it'll be this year, but it's a fair point if you're not doing all five days.

We stayed near the end of Stein & Wein last year and that part was in the forest. First part of the stage is different, but I suppose it's not traditional vineyard stage. Dhrontal had its parts in the forest too, but also in the vineyards. Last year we stayed in spot where we could see cars approaching and exiting at around four points in the distance and then of course the part in front of us. Last year Sunday was Dhrontal twice and the city stage. It's in big part different audience and there were no problems in the proper stage, so I'd be benumbed if it'd be problems this year.

[hari]

And is Stein and Wein a stage in vineyards ? :)
And what about Dronthal ? :(

In Stein and Wein is about 30% in vineyards, Drohntal about 55%.

[vino_93]

thx :)

[hari]

Drohntal about 55%.
In this years version probably even about 70%

[Hartusvuori]

Here's the itinerary: http://www.adac-rallye-deutschland.de/docs/wrc/static/187/Zeitplan2013%20Internet.pdf

Any idea could it be possible to do both stages on Thursday? To me it looks like a tight drive from SS1 to SS2 with only 2 hours between 1st cars, but not exactly impossible.

For Friday and Saturday I'm planning 3 stages each day, should be nice and relaxed that way.

[koppel]

2013 Maps and latest intinery on rallye-deutschland website.

[rallye-vid]

PDF Maps of the rally Deutschland 2013: wrcDE-2013.zip (http://www.mediafire.com/?auy8jrx44h7xzwv)

Have fun ;)

[jiipee64]

Flights and Hotel booked.
:D

[Franky]

I've attended the rally three times but I can't figure out what to do this year. To go or not to.

[rallye-vid]

To go

Here you go :p

[Barreis]

I travel to Trier tommorow (job obligatins), hope it's not only visit to that region. :P

[Mintexmemory]

Here's the itinerary: http://www.adac-rallye-deutschland.de/docs/wrc/static/187/Zeitplan2013%20Internet.pdf

Any idea could it be possible to do both stages on Thursday? To me it looks like a tight drive from SS1 to SS2 with only 2 hours between 1st cars, but not exactly impossible.

For Friday and Saturday I'm planning 3 stages each day, should be nice and relaxed that way.

From the south-most point of SS1 to north-most of SS2 is stated as 1hr 4mn on Google Map. I'm usually 5 mn slower per hour than Google. Then you have to factor in walking time at both ends of the journey. Could be done seeing the top 12 cars (which means you should see the leaders as it's tarmac) then make a dash for it. It does seem unnecessary travel from Trier to Koln and back though, can't decide yet myself

[Hartusvuori]

From the south-most point of SS1 to north-most of SS2 is stated as 1hr 4mn on Google Map. I'm usually 5 mn slower per hour than Google. Then you have to factor in walking time at both ends of the journey. Could be done seeing the top 12 cars (which means you should see the leaders as it's tarmac) then make a dash for it. It does seem unnecessary travel from Trier to Koln and back though, can't decide yet myself

That's exactly what I figured out too. Plus if it's 1 hour on navigator in normal conditions, it won't be during the rally. This is left to be decided.

[megadrive]

Flights and Hotel booked.
:D
and car rental, as usually $)

[jiipee64]

and car rental, as usually $)

Jep.

And something that may not be so highly appriciated in this forum...

Tickets to Eau Rouge too... :D

[saghen]

Hello all.

I am thinking of going to Rallye Deutschland this year and I have not been to a rally before, much less this one. I have several noob questions and I hope you will forgive me for asking them. I have visited the official site, but was hoping to get some viewpoints from people who have been there.

I am trying to combine Rallye Deutschland with the Belgian F1 GP on the same weekend. :confused: I was thinking of going to the rally on Friday and the GP on Saturday and Sunday. I assume that I'll need to buy that rally pass, even though I am only going one day. Correct?

On the Friday, how much is generally possible to see, realistically? There are 6 SS.
Is it even possible to get to them all, or do I have to pick and choose?
Which ones should I definitely see? How far away are the car parks, generally, from the viewing points? Will there be many people on the Friday, or is that more reserved for Saturday/Sunday?

Should I attempt to visit the Servicepark in midday and try to get back to the stages? Is there enough parking near the Servicepark? Or is the Servicepark located in the city and will be difficult to park around there?

Thanks in advance for any help.

[Franky]

On the Friday, how much is generally possible to see, realistically? There are 6 SS.
Is it even possible to get to them all, or do I have to pick and choose?
Which ones should I definitely see? How far away are the car parks, generally, from the viewing points? Will there be many people on the Friday, or is that more reserved for Saturday/Sunday?

Should I attempt to visit the Servicepark in midday and try to get back to the stages? Is there enough parking near the Servicepark? Or is the Servicepark located in the city and will be difficult to park around there?

Thanks in advance for any help.

Previous years I've managed to see four stages on Friday. The first and third stage of the loop. Depending how many cars you want to see, it is possible to make a quick visit to the service park between the morning and afternoon loops.

Parking distance from the stage varies and on some stages where there is road side parking it also depends how early or late you arrive. Could be as close as few hundred meters or around km on some stages. I think they've indicated the distance from the parking to the stage in the rally magazine. And you don't need to worry about huge crowds (that's also pretty much up to the location you go to spectate).

About service park and parking. I can't say there's a lot of room close to the service but there's enough and most of the road side will be filled with parking cars.

[Mintexmemory]

Hello all.


I assume that I'll need to buy that rally pass, even though I am only going one day. Correct?

On the Friday, how much is generally possible to see, realistically? There are 6 SS.
Is it even possible to get to them all, or do I have to pick and choose?
Which ones should I definitely see? How far away are the car parks, generally, from the viewing points? Will there be many people on the Friday, or is that more reserved for Saturday/Sunday?

Should I attempt to visit the Servicepark in midday and try to get back to the stages? Is there enough parking near the Servicepark? Or is the Servicepark located in the city and will be difficult to park around there?

Thanks in advance for any help.

No need to buy the rally pass but you will have to pay 10 euro for a stage pass so if intending to go to 2 different stages each on 2 occasions that will be 20euro. The service park is 10 euro PER VISIT and really won't be worth trying to visit across lunch if you are determined to fit 4 stages in the day. I say this because 4 stages (watching the top 15 WRC) is really only possible by the 1-3-4-6 itinerary. You'll need to park at the Trittenheim end of stage 1/4 in order to drive to the Wintrich end of the 3/6 stage if you look at the schedule this is very tight which means you wouldn't have time to drive back to Trier, park (and that can take some time as normal weekday restrictions apply) see something and then get back to Wintrich. You'd be better watching the WRC2 competitors and perhaps the historic rally cars. I will probably do 1-3-4 then service to watch as the WRC cars arrive back in the afternoon. If you want to see more then a rally pass and taking in a Thursday stage and service makes economic sense.
:bounce: Just booked my ferry and reserved my camping place this morning!!

[Hartusvuori]

I'd recommend only 3 or even only 2 stages for Friday as well, if you are new to spectating rallies. Be it 1-3-6 or 1-4-6 stages of the day. In Germany you get the national event and historics between the WRC stages, so it's not much waiting, much more action. In Friday I'd do service park either early in the day or after all stages. Parking can get difficult, but if you have healthy legs... Also, don't get rally pass for just one day, single stage entry tickets are better option. But perhaps you like the rally so much that you don't want to leave for Spa... :-) Oh, and buy the spactators' guide. Crucial help.

[Franky]

Well, last year I actually did service-ss1-ss3-ss4-ss6-service. And on each stage we watched pretty much every car till the last S2000, so about 50-58 minutes at the stage, longer on SS3/6. So pretty much everything is possible, just a question what you're after really.

[saghen]

Thanks for all the answers, it's appreciated.

[giedriusr]

German rally seems to be most realistic for me this year to go.

[Mad cat jnr]

Just looking at the possibilities of going to watch this as a cheaper option to Finland, and I notice on the website there are a list of campsites, has anyone ever used any of these?

Also I see they give a list of spectator areas to camp at, are these free or an added charge on top of the spectator pack? Thought I had seen a flate rate price somewhere but cant see it now.

Anyone got recommendations for places to watch at too?

Cheers

Joe

[Hartusvuori]

Some discussion already in here: http://www.motorsportforums.com/wrc/157 ... 013-a.html (http://www.motorsportforums.com/wrc/157784-adac-rallye-deutschland-2013-a.html)

We're going for the second time now, but not going to use any camping sites. There are plenty of accomodation options in the area.

[Mad cat jnr]

Has anyone ever camped on the event? Whats the best campsite to use? Or any cheap hostels?

[Mintexmemory]

I'm booked to stay at the camping marina in Schweich, in 2010 I stayed at Camping Moselblick in Klusserath. There is such a wide variety that I'd just say look at the stages you might want to vist and select one that cuts down your travel. I'm going to be fairly relaxed this year so Shakedown and SS2 (plus visits to service park) will be my Wednesday and Thursday programme. Friday SS3 then move to SS5/8 for the rest of the day. Saturday most people want to visit Panzerplatte but I've done that (unless someone knows a spot that is less crowded) so I'm going to SS9/12 with a visit to re-group at Bilstein in between. Sunday Dhronthal then parc ferme. If we get good weather you'll enjoy whatever you decide to do

[vino_93]

does anyone know which stages will run German rally championship and historic cars ?

[ZoomanSP206]

German rally championship: Special Stages 1, 3-11 (source: official website)
Historic cars: Special Stages 3-5, 9-11 (source: official-looking pdf file, don't remember where I found it)

[kktepeel]

Hi guys,

This is my first WRC rally attendance and I was wondering if the tickets are required in order to be a spectator for the rally stages.
Can't I just drive in the morning up to the nearest parking , leave the car there and head on to find a nice spot ? What does the ticket offer extra ?

Thanks .

[MartijnS]

It offers nothing extra for you, just for the organisation ;)
Offcourse there are always spots where you don't get checked..but don't go to the official spectator areas than.

[rallysupportnl]

Video test Ogier - Brauneberg 2013


http://youtu.be/AMjFcbzlKg4

[kktepeel]

It offers nothing extra for you, just for the organisation ;)
Offcourse there are always spots where you don't get checked..but don't go to the official spectator areas than.

So does the ticket include any transportation on the stage or between stages ?

[tommeke_B]

So does the ticket include any transportation on the stage or between stages ?

No, nothing. It only allows you to go to the stages, and take use of public areas etc. :) It's the most important income for the organizer to cover the huge costs of organizing a rally.

[Ralph-Mario]

For all :

Adrenalin Verlag - ADAC Rallye Deutschland Magazin (http://www.adrenalin-verlag.com/product_info.php?info=p63_adac-rallye-deutschland-magazin-2013.html)

[HaCo]

Is there something like one stage or one day pass? What do they cost?

[Mintexmemory]

Is there something like one stage or one day pass? What do they cost?
Covered on pg 1 of this thread. ;)
ADAC website gives all the currently available spectator info

[jbmarcus21]

Google Earth Map Deutschland rally is out Wrc ADAC Rallye Deutschland 2013 (http://planetemarcus.com/saison-wrc/allemagne-2013/)

[MJW]

Entries have closed now, any hints of who (other than the wrc regulars) are entering? Is Khalid driving the third Citroen or did Kubica get promoted to a wrc car?

[Hartusvuori]

I was about to ask same. Any rumours? Barrable will do it with R5, but anything else...

[tommeke_B]

Philip Cracco should drive with Fiesta R5. Also Pieterjanmichiel Cracco, but with a Fiesta R2 in the JWRC. The plan is to let him cover the 3 remaining rounds of the JWRC. :)

[tolis]

Also Subhan Aksa-Nicola Arena in a Fiesta R5!

[jbmarcus21]

Entrylist
Wrc ADAC Rallye Deutschland 2013 (http://planetemarcus.com/saison-wrc/allemagne-2013/)

[Mintexmemory]

Mmm no great surprises in the WRC list. But still a chance that one of the 'Al's might make way for a specialist - can but hope. WRC2 looks good

[Teme]

Mmm no great surprises in the WRC list. But still a chance that one of the 'Al's might make way for a specialist - can but hope. WRC2 looks good

Don't know about you but I was surprised of Tomas Kostka's entry with DS3. Interesting to see how he goes.

[Andre Oliveira]

ADAC Rallye Deutschland 2013 Top entries, check full entry list: eWRC-results.com - results ADAC Rallye Deutschland 2013 (http://www.ewrc-results.com/startlist.php?e=6539&t=ADAC-Rallye-Deutschland-2013)

https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/1009830_371266613002587_294594533_n.png

[jolle1982]

Who is the czech driver without a name? Miroslav jakes?

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[pucky54]

Who is the czech driver without a name? Miroslav jakes?

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You mean "Zito"??? It's Daniel Landa

[donymo]

i don't kown about ADAC Rallye Deutschland 2013 .wish you have a good time

[Mirek]

Who is the czech driver without a name? Miroslav jakes?

Would love to see Jakeš international but not...


You mean "Zito"??? It's Daniel Landa

Right

[Andre Oliveira]

It is the same Zito who done 1986 Targa Rally?

[Mirek]

Definitely not.

[Andre Oliveira]

Thanks ;)

[Mirek]

To make it clear, Daniel Landa besides being a driver in various motorsports is also an artist (musician, playwright) and a very controversial person. Žito is a name of a wizard from an ancient legend and it is Landa's current alter-ego.

[vino_93]

does someone know when national and historic entry list will be published ? :)

[pucky54]

does someone know when national and historic entry list will be published ? :)

It's here: http://www.adac-rallye-deutschland.de/docs/wrc/2013/static/190/Nennliste%20NAT.pdf

[Hartusvuori]

It's here: http://www.adac-rallye-deutschland.de/docs/wrc/2013/static/190/Nennliste%20NAT.pdf

Looks like it had removed. Any new link so I could save it and print? Also, would like to see historics entry for which cars will enter. Most propably no 037, the one I have always wanted to see love, but how about Renault 5s or Stratos?

[pucky54]

Here again. They changed the link :eek:

Only nationals, no historics

http://www.adac-rallye-deutschland.de/docs/wrc/static/190/Nennliste%20NAT.pdf

[vino_93]

will they be an entry list for historic ?

@Hartusvuori : you can see 037 competing in ERC historic :) There was a round in Finland, I don't know if it still exist ?

[Hartusvuori]

@Hartusvuori : you can see 037 competing in ERC historic :) There was a round in Finland, I don't know if it still exist ?

Actually, Lahti Historic Rally starts tomorrow (w/ Latvala in Quattro), but I've always missed it and will do so this year too. 037 is there. I missed the event even when it was run together with NORF. If I remember right, Jensen with 037 ran with number 3, and when we left SS Hassi and the historic cars came towards us in the highway, number 4 was the first I saw...

[jbmarcus21]

Sordo testing Deutschland Rally
Dani Sordo Test Rallye Deutschland 2013 - Citroën DS3 WRC - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEAPZxAqU6Q)

[rallysupportnl]

Dani Sordo test WRC ADAC Rallye Deutschland 2013 - Veldenz


http://youtu.be/DfVqMXZfnpg

[CWJ]

does someone know when national and historic entry list will be published ? :)

Hysteric:

http://www.adac-rallye-deutschland.de/docs/wrc/static/323/classic-nennungen-2013.pdf

[jolle1982]

Nice to see the old wrcs ;-)

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[rallysupportnl]

Mikko Hirvonen test WRC ADAC Rallye Deutschland 2013 - Kinheim


http://youtu.be/8DTC4Po3jC4

[Mintexmemory]

Citroen DS3 WRC - Flying Fin | Flickr - Photo Sharing! (http://www.flickr.com/photos/eschborn/7946165950/in/photostream/)

Anyone know the location of this jump on Stein und wein (near Thomm)

[dimviii]

dont know where is the place,but if i remember correct last years photos after this jump were full of sparks.

[tommeke_B]

Citroen DS3 WRC - Flying Fin | Flickr - Photo Sharing! (http://www.flickr.com/photos/eschborn/7946165950/in/photostream/)

Anyone know the location of this jump on Stein und wein (near Thomm)

Just before they enter the last big road towards FF. ;)

[darkstar]

yep, thats correct!

[Mintexmemory]

Thanks guys, that has sorted first location for the Saturday morning.
:)

[vino_93]

does anyone know great places, with not so many people, in first stages of each day ? :)

[darkstar]

the problem with talking about places like this on a forum is, that afterwards those places are not places "with not so many people" anymore ;)

[Mintexmemory]

In which case use PMs - and no blabbing to non-forum members ;)

[Hartusvuori]

If weather forecasts are anything to trust upon as of yet, it looks like a perfect weather during the rally now. Warm, around 25c and some clouds. Would suit me.

[tommeke_B]

Some funny fact.

From SS Panzerplatte to SS Cléebourg (last stage of Rallye de France): 115km
From SS Panzerplatte to SS Blankenheim (first stage of Rallye Deutschland): 175km

[Hartusvuori]

Alasteir Fisher had withdrawn from the event. Perhaps something to do with how his looked after Rally Finland?

[Juha_Koo]

Alasteir Fisher had withdrawn from the event. Perhaps something to do with how his looked after Rally Finland?

BRC Ulster and WRC Germany overlap, so most likely Fisher is going for BRC as he is second there, five points from Korhonen and Ulster is Fisher's home rally. ;)

[tommeke_B]

WRC ADAC Deutschland Rallye 2013 / Test Thierry Neuville [HD-Pure sound] By Devillersvideo - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stq8sMvuhI4) Great video from test of Neuville. It looks promising :)

[Hartusvuori]

Great video from test of Neuville. It looks promising :)

Indeed it does. I put Neuville on the podium in my pickems, looking at this video, it must be possible if nothing unexpected happens. Let's hope it's a clean run and tight fight for Neuville, Latvala, Sordo and Östberg.

[Rallying UK]

VOLKSWAGEN WRC: Here you can see all the best videos of Volkswagen Motorsport’s testing for Rallye Deutschland 2013 (during early July) right here - in one place:
Volkswagen testing for Rallye Deutschland 2013 - ThingLink (http://bit.ly/16csVAM)

[Rallying UK]

CITROËN RACING: Here you can see all the best videos of Citroën’s testing for Rallye Deutschland 2013 - in one place:
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[Rallying UK]

CITROËN RACING: Here you can see all the best videos of Citroën’s testing for Rallye Deutschland 2013 - in one place:
Citroën testing for Rallye Deutschland 2013 - ThingLink (http://bit.ly/14869tn)

[Rallying UK]

QATAR M-SPORT: Here you can see all the best videos of Qatar M-Sport’s testing for Rallye Deutschland 2013 - in one place:
Qatar M-Sport testing for Rallye Deutschland 2013 - ThingLink (http://bit.ly/16NSwUk)

[bluuford]

Indeed it does. I put Neuville on the podium in my pickems, looking at this video, it must be possible if nothing unexpected happens. Let's hope it's a clean run and tight fight for Neuville, Latvala, Sordo and Östberg.

Well.. by looking these videos.. Neuville is going to win in Germany by one minute...

[Hartusvuori]

Well.. by looking these videos.. Neuville is going to win in Germany by one minute...

If Ogier picks up a puncture, one minute lead for Neuville is possible... After a week we'll know more.

[GINE]

My guess is that Sordo Ogier and Nueville will be on podium. Who will be first, second and third is very difficult to predict. I hope for Sordo to win. It will be good for him, for citroen for the championship. He definately has the speed and the car to win. We have to see if Polo is up to speed in tarmac. Ogier is the favourite in the papers, but it will be it's first Tarmac rally with the polo... Nuevville is one of the fastest Tarmac drivers available and expecting a lot of him if the setup of his fiesta suits him. He is able to win

[Hartusvuori]

Ogier is the favourite in the papers, but it will be it's first Tarmac rally with the polo...

Even if Monte Carlo is a special event, I'd consider it a tarmac rally.

[GINE]

Even if Monte Carlo is a special event, I'd consider it a tarmac rally.
It is a Tarmac rally. But with snow, ice, water and different tires, it is not a good benchmark to see if the polo is as fast as it is in gravel. For sure it will be fast, since they are doing a great job in vw motorsport, but we have to see if it is fast enough for the win

[vino_93]

the problem with talking about places like this on a forum is, that afterwards those places are not places "with not so many people" anymore ;)
that's why you can send me this by pm :D

[Mintexmemory]

My guess is that Sordo Ogier and Nueville will be on podium. Who will be first, second and third is very difficult to predict. I hope for Sordo to win. It will be good for him, for citroen for the championship. He definately has the speed and the car to win. We have to see if Polo is up to speed in tarmac. Ogier is the favourite in the papers, but it will be it's first Tarmac rally with the polo... Nuevville is one of the fastest Tarmac drivers available and expecting a lot of him if the setup of his fiesta suits him. He is able to win
TN has made a big leap forward in the last 6 months... BUT ... I think people are getting his ability as a tarmac driver out of proportion. If you look at his Citroen performances in Germany (12th), France (4th) and Spain (12th) last year they are a long way from being convincing. Who took second place to the tarmac maestro in each of those rallies - JML. Sordo will have to find something very special as he only set fastest times last year when everyone else was cruising. Ogier is JML's only competition on tarmac form (oh, and the rock!)

[Rikterlevi]

Hi All,
Last was my first time to visit the Adac Rally, I loved it. Does anyone know if the stages directions will be the same? I`m going to the same stages and it would be more interesting to see them on the opposite direction.

By the way, Have fun next week, everyone!

[Hartusvuori]

Hi All,
Last was my first time to visit the Adac Rally, I loved it. Does anyone know if the stages directions will be the same? I`m going to the same stages and it would be more interesting to see them on the opposite direction.

By the way, Have fun next week, everyone!

Only SS Peterberg on Saturday is run in opposite direction compared to last year. Otherwise differences are small. You can find info how stages compare to 2012 edition here: http://www.adac-rallye-deutschland.de/docs/wrc/2013/static/179/Appendix_1_Itinerary.pdf

[mousti]

TN has made a big leap forward in the last 6 months... BUT ... I think people are getting his ability as a tarmac driver out of proportion. If you look at his Citroen performances in Germany (12th), France (4th) and Spain (12th) last year they are a long way from being convincing. Who took second place to the tarmac maestro in each of those rallies - JML. Sordo will have to find something very special as he only set fastest times last year when everyone else was cruising. Ogier is JML's only competition on tarmac form (oh, and the rock!)
None of these rallies went perfect even France he had his mistakes and not only him remember Gilsoul at TC...

Fiesta suits him better than the DS3 it looks and like with the S2000 he's second year with the WRC is much better. Second year with S2000 he won the 2 big tarmac classics Corse and San Remo. First day can be great just hope nothing goes wrong like a crash or something.

[Mintexmemory]

I hope Neuville has a great rally but remember in 2011 SebO won Germany and France in a DS3 - how much better will he be in the Polo?

[tommeke_B]

I hope Neuville has a great rally but remember in 2011 SebO won Germany and France in a DS3 - how much better will he be in the Polo?

Germany after puncture of Loeb, France after retirement of ... Seb "The King" of course. :p

[Hartusvuori]

Kris Meeke and Jarkko Nikara will do recce-only for Germany. That's always a signal of some kind for the future.

http://www.adac-rallye-deutschland.de/docs/wrc/2013/static/234/Bulletin%202_D.pdf

[tommeke_B]

Kris Meeke and Jarkko Nikara will do recce-only for Germany. That's always a signal of some kind for the future.

http://www.adac-rallye-deutschland.de/docs/wrc/2013/static/234/Bulletin%202_D.pdf

Always? Abbring did recce in all WRC events last year. Both Meeke and Sordo did recce of all WRC events they didn't enter also, in 2011. It means that somebody is investing in them at the moment, which is a good thing. :) But no guarantee...

[Hartusvuori]

Always? Abbring did recce in all WRC events last year. Both Meeke and Sordo did recce of all WRC events they didn't enter also, in 2011. It means that somebody is investing in them at the moment, which is a good thing. :) But no guarantee...

I said it is a signal of some kind, I knew about Abbring and I know recce-only does not mean the driver will enter WRC the next year. But it means there's something going on, some plan, some hope.

[Mintexmemory]

Germany after puncture of Loeb, France after retirement of ... Seb "The King" of course. :p

... And because of the sabotage we'll never know what he would have done in Spain ;)

[mousti]

... And because of the sabotage we'll never know what he would have done in Spain ;)

Ah the sabotage that Duval had too in the RACB funded Xsara WRC in Deutschland Rallye? :p

[tommeke_B]

Ah the sabotage that Duval had too in the RACB funded Xsara WRC in Deutschland Rallye? :p

A lot of opinions on this story... :) Usually Duval sabotaged himself IMO. :p

[Mintexmemory]

Well SebO certainly sabotaged hiimself on Great Orme for the subsequent event :p :

[noel157]

Always? Abbring did recce in all WRC events last year. Both Meeke and Sordo did recce of all WRC events they didn't enter also, in 2011. It means that somebody is investing in them at the moment, which is a good thing. :) But no guarantee...

Tom, don't know about Sordo but Meeke did very few, maybe 1 or 2, recce rounds that year.
Meeke and Patterson will also do gravel crew in Germany for the factory squad.

But agree with H, it bodes well for the future.

[tommeke_B]

Ok, I remember it wrong then... :) Nice to see Meeke will be gravel crew in Germany. Also from my personal info it looks like the manufacturers (at least M-Sport and Citroën) have a lot of people for stage info/weather crew, only for this specific event. :)

[noel157]

Tom, I remember there was a discussion on it here during that year.

Although only in a supporting role you can imagine Meeke being on such a high being a member of a "real" factory team.

[Mintexmemory]

I think Kris was notes crew (tarmac) in Spain last November for Petter

[Ucci]

A short question for our Czech forum members: can we expect some positive surprise by Tomas Kostka ? The itinerary should suit him-as a former circuit racing driver & serial winner of Czech Sprint rallyes- maybe top 8-place ????

[Mirek]

Hard to say. He has no experience with foreign rallies and the DS3 will be a new car for him.

[Teme]

Kostka withdrawn? http://www.adac-rallye-deutschland.de/docs/wrc/2013/static/234/Entry_List.pdf

Consani also.

[Hartusvuori]

Kostka withdrawn? http://www.adac-rallye-deutschland.de/docs/wrc/2013/static/234/Entry_List.pdf

Consani also.

Now that's a disappointment. He could've shown interesting progress throughout the rally.

[PLuto]

Kostka withdrawn? http://www.adac-rallye-deutschland.de/docs/wrc/2013/static/234/Entry_List.pdf

Yes. He doesnt want to start with to high starting number so late (after all WRC2 and JWRC cars).

[dimviii]

why Mirek? he believes that he will catch the front crew,or something else?

[Mintexmemory]

why Mirek? he believes that he will catch the front crew,or something else?

:D Someone needs to check which Czech is posting, I'm sure Pluto isn't an alter-ego!

[Mirek]

Hehe, there are some forum members who saw me and PLuto together so we are two, yesss :D

[PLuto]

Hehe, there are some forum members who saw me and PLuto together so we are two, yesss :D

Are you sure? :rolleyes:

[PLuto]

why Mirek? he believes that he will catch the front crew,or something else?

Kostka was betting all the season to start on Deutschland, where he wanted to show how fast he could be in WRC...

[Mirek]

So the next logical step is to win Barum ;)

[dimviii]

Kostka was betting all the season to start on Deutschland, where he wanted to show how fast he could be in WRC...
so why he won t start?

[tommeke_B]

so why he won t start?
As Pluto said, because FIA doesn't give him a fair chance to make a good result... If you have to start behind all the others, you lose lots of time because of the gravel/dirt thrown onto the road in cuts. So why ruin your reputation (being slower than he should be) and spend a lot of money?

[dimviii]

As Pluto said, because FIA doesn't give him a fair chance to make a good result... If you have to start behind all the others, you lose lots of time because of the gravel/dirt thrown onto the road in cuts. So why ruin your reputation (being slower than he should be) and spend a lot of money?
maybe he has overestimate himself i would say if this is the reason.

[Hartusvuori]

Excuse me here. I need to see black on white (or pixels on the screen) that Kostka really would've had to start there where he was on the entry list. Where's the logic? Foe example in Finland Tahko started among WRC crews and his participation to an FIA WRC event didn't differ to Kostka's plan. Same with other WRC one-offs as I recall. So, what's really the story?

[pucky54]

Also in Sweden earlier this year non priority WRC drivers were starting inbetween WRC and WRC2 crews.

[tommeke_B]

@Hartusvuori and Pucky52, yes... But those also had a number between WRC and WRC2. ;) From what I know it happened more that FIA let "unproven" drivers start behind all the others, even with a WRC car. I remember 2007-2008 where several Dutch drivers were driving WRC cars and ended up starting around number 50-60 I think. And yes, in WRC, Kostka is "unproven". His outings in Barum were Always good, and his prestations in the Czech Republic are remarkable, but apparently FIA didn't bother putting him where he belongs... It makes no sense, but there are more things that make no sense in the world of WRC...

[tommeke_B]

BTW, @Pluto or Mirek: Why was he testing the DS3 WRC if he doesn't start in Germany?? https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/1186269_651247054893657_847418353_n.jpg

[Hartusvuori]

There's more to it... Something's not right here.

[Andre Oliveira]

More photos (http://splitrally.com/tests-day-thomas-kostka-houst-miroslav/)

[irish_tiger]

Kostka withdrawn? http://www.adac-rallye-deutschland.de/docs/wrc/2013/static/234/Entry_List.pdf

Consani also.
Pity Consani isn't doing it ... it would have been interesting to see how he would have done because his form this year hasn't been great ... what do out French members think ?

[Rallying UK]

I checked with Christophe Logel tonight on Facebook and this photo of Kostka was taken TODAY, yet the Entry List shows he has withdrawn. Very odd.

[Rallying UK]

BTW, @Pluto or Mirek: Why was he testing the DS3 WRC if he doesn't start in Germany??

UPDATE: Apparently Tomáš Kostka’s co-driver, Miroslav Houst, is sick. He was seen vomiting today. Maybe that’s the reason for the withdrawal?

[mousti]

Don't think so rally istelf is in a week, and he must be feel very weak to do Recce and there is time for replacement. Pluto or Mirek will know what's really happening? :p

[tommeke_B]

Don't think so rally istelf is in a week, and he must be feel very weak to do Recce and there is time for replacement. Pluto or Mirek will know what's really happening? :p

Recce starts next monday. So tomorrow you need to travel to Germany. If you are really really sick, you can't make it to the event.

[Hartusvuori]

Now it's starting to make sense. Really a shame, because I was really looking forward to Kostka's pace.

[Rallying UK]

RALLYE DEUTSCHLAND: Re-live all the action from Rallye Deutschland 2012 right here with this interactive image!: Re-live the action from Rallye Deutschland 2012! - ThingLink (http://bit.ly/19zPp6D)

[Hartusvuori]

So, has Andreas Amberg now withdrawn or not?

http://www.adac-rallye-deutschland.de/docs/wrc/2013/static/191/Entry_List.pdf
http://www.adac-rallye-deutschland.de/docs/wrc/2013/static/234/Entry_List.pdf

[Rallying UK]

KOSTKA UPDATE: Apparently Tomáš Kostka’s co-driver, Miroslav Houst had backache on Friday. Kostka’s father then stood in as co-driver but he started vomiting and was unwell. That's why he withdrew from ADAC Rallye Deutschland. It is rumoured that Kostka will drive in Rallye de France-Alsace in the PH Sport DS3 WRC instead.

[Hartusvuori]

So, has Andreas Amberg now withdrawn or not?

http://www.adac-rallye-deutschland.de/docs/wrc/2013/static/191/Entry_List.pdf
http://www.adac-rallye-deutschland.de/docs/wrc/2013/static/234/Entry_List.pdf

No Germany for Amberg.

[pucky54]

It is rumoured that Kostka will drive in Rallye de France-Alsace in the PH Sport DS3 WRC instead.

It was confirmed by himself last week already!

[tommeke_B]

Any weather forecast from our expert @bluuford? :)

[noel157]

I read somewhere mostly dry with small chance of the odd shower. Bluuford?

[Rallying UK]

RALLYE DEUTSCHLAND: Who do you think will win Rallye Deutschland 2013? VOTE NOW!:

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[bluuford]

I read somewhere mostly dry with small chance of the odd shower. Bluuford?
Too far to say exactly, but first pictures are indicating that most of the rally will be dry.Minimal possibility of rain on Thursday (most probably no rain) and bigger possibility on Sunday (quite high risk of rain).

[thuGG]

Kubica testing:
Test Day - Robert Kubica - Deutschland 2013 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=2wNnnLpv6uc)

[Andre Oliveira]

Photos by Henk van Mourik (http://ewrc-results.com/foto.php?e=12188&t=Test-P3-&-Prokop-WRC-Germany-2013)

http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2013/photos/test_p3_prokop_wrc_germany_2013/hvm_20130816_115920_naamloos_129.jpghttp://www.ewrc.cz/images/2013/photos/test_p3_prokop_wrc_germany_2013/hvm_20130816_111646_naamloos_095.jpghttp://www.ewrc.cz/images/2013/photos/test_p3_prokop_wrc_germany_2013/hvm_20130816_172259_naamloos_228.jpg

[dimviii]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Qlpdh6YW420

[dimviii]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=B2qVmiVIFBc

[Mirek]

What is the point to post the video in 2013 thread?

[tommeke_B]

What is the point to post the video in 2013 thread?
To get an extra view... But his strategy obviously doesn't work. There are more people on this forum who are only posting their photos/videos. I'm ok with it if it's in the right thread and just after an event. Not OK with it if they "spam" it around everywhere. The forum could use some cleaning...

[ThomasS]

What is the point to post the video in 2013 thread?
It's no wonder the same old people keep posting with condescending comments like this.


You might actually get a few more people contributing if they weren't so intimidated by the need to so anally correct the whole time…

[tommeke_B]

It's no wonder the same old people keep posting with condescending comments like this.


You might actually get a few more people contributing if they weren't so intimidated by the need to so anally correct the whole time…
Watch the posts of the member we're talking about. It's the 3rd time he's posting the same video here. And similar videos have been posted already before... Some people join this forum with only one goal, which is "spamming" their photos and videos trying to get more views. They use it as a "one-way channel", they just come here to post, don't read anything and don't comment on anything, they are not real members IMO. I bet they will not even read the comments we're posting on it. So why bother? I don't think they add any value to the forum. Everything that is worth seeing will make it to the forum for sure... With or without spammers.

[Mintexmemory]

Ok guys I have my spectating points 95% sorted but can anyone PM me with the location of a really good wheel lifting cut on Mittelmosel, Grafschaft or Dhrontal? Thanks


Further to Tom's point in the post above, it is a fine line between disallowing seemingly irrelevant posts (and if you look at ADAC 2012 there were more than enough posts showing the Prokop fire and a bozo making a mis-interpreted joke about 'no super rally then?') and censorship. We are getting increasing incidence of 'numbers' spammers and trolls so to protect the community some deletions may occur.

[ThomasS]

Dude this isn't exactly the social media sensation that the kids are dialled into…


Community ? The forum is in fact inhabited by a small group of residuous de facto gate keepers who spend every waking moment trolling through every thread as if they don't have a real life to involve themselves in.

nuff said , I get it.

[Mintexmemory]

"The forum is in fact inhabited by a small group of residuous de facto gate keepers who spend every waking moment trolling through every thread as if they don't have a real life to involve themselves in."

And much of last year's debate after my Prokop fire quip about 'no super rally' centred on the absence of a sense of irony among forum members. :)

[Juha_Koo]

Haven't realized it before but JM looks a lot like Mikkelsen... https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/1148838_644601402225783_127842861_n.jpg

[dimviii]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=K75FJXwc4nQ

:vader:

[Mintexmemory]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=K75FJXwc4nQ

:vader:

Just another boring FWD R2 --- I hope PT will be just as boring later this week!!

[LetsGoRacingBoys]

That was pretty close :D

[Astro83]

Just another boring FWD R2 --- I hope PT will be just as boring later this week!!

I really hope that you are joking now?

Is Pontus a "boring" driver?? haha...

Now a question, is some one know if they will live stream some stages this year???

[MartijnS]

No live stream and obvious a joke.. :)

[Astro83]

I rather hope so! :D hehe...

Ok, that's a pitty...

[Mintexmemory]

Not everyone is tuned in to my sense of humour yet. I made that remark as some forum members are quite critical of rallying FWD R2/3 class cars. No spectacle, apparently ;)

[Astro83]

Not everyone is tuned in to my sense of humour yet. I made that remark as some forum members are quite critical of rallying FWD R2/3 class cars. No spectacle, apparently ;)

hehe! okey! R2 and R3 is okey to watch, depends on the driver as always! ;) Not so fun to see a wrc-car either if the driver, drives as they driving their grandma... ;) ;)


But anyway, soo ****ing close there for Pontus. ;)
He needs to cool down, gets nervus! :P

[dimviii]

this guy at Acropolis was very impressive.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=8j9nwflk7js

[irish_tiger]

this guy at Acropolis was very impressive.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=8j9nwflk7js
Thats one of - if not the fastest wheel change i have ever seen !

[Jafry]

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2013/1186/1186_adac_rally_deutschland_2013_978c38bbd1.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2013/1186/1186_adac_rally_deutschland_2013_e1304bee2a.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2013/1186/1186_adac_rally_deutschland_2013_1e230ac619.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2013/1186/1186_adac_rally_deutschland_2013_f80a63c0a5.jpg

Some photos from service before start HERE (http://www.rally-mania.cz/photogallery.php?id=1186)

[rage82]

Bad news for Mikkelsen:
"@AMikkelsenRally (https://twitter.com/AMikkelsenRally) has had to withdraw from the @wrcgermany (https://twitter.com/WRCGermany). His co-driver is suffering from a back injury sustained in Finland" from best of rally live twitter

[RS]

Bad news for Mikkelsen:
"@AMikkelsenRally (https://twitter.com/AMikkelsenRally) has had to withdraw from the @wrcgermany (https://twitter.com/WRCGermany). His co-driver is suffering from a back injury sustained in Finland" from best of rally live twitter

Oh :( Could they not find a stand in?

[tommeke_B]

After administrative checks (last sunday), no...

[Juha_Koo]

Quite surprising piece of news... For some reason, I don't quite understand it. If Markkula had his back injured in Finland (which I don't remember hearing) then why didn't VW had a stand-in codriver ready for Mikkelsen? They had over two weeks to work on a contingency plan. Plus would have been quite an easy job to find someone as he nowdays has English notes. Maybe the injury became apparent just short time ago? Perhaps most top-level codrivers are busy working in gravel crews?

[rage82]

Quite surprising piece of news... For some reason, I don't quite understand it. If Markkula had his back injured in Finland (which I don't remember hearing) then why didn't VW had a stand-in codriver ready for Mikkelsen? They had over two weeks to work on a contingency plan. Plus would have been quite an easy job to find someone as he nowdays has English notes. Maybe the injury became apparent just short time ago? Perhaps most top-level codrivers are busy working in gravel crews?

I'm also quite surprised whit this news. Yesterday Andreas was posting on his twitter account that they are ready for rally Germany and the shakedown on wednesday and now only 2 hours before the start that news about the back injury. Maybe they were hoping that Markkula will be OK, but the last medical check showed that he can't compete?

[Teme]

Just speculating, but maybe Markkula's back got worse when he sat two days in a recce car. Then Volkswagen checked his back yesterday evening and found the damage.

[Mirek]

Sounds a bit fishy and reminds the story with replacing Ola Floene. Hopefully I'm wrong.

[jonkka]

Would someone know real name for entry #131 "Zito"?

[Medved]

"Zito" is Daniel Landa.

[jonkka]

Thank you very much.

[6789]

I remember hearing Andreas talking about Mikko's back during an interview on WRCLive before the final loop in Finland, so I guess it is related to that and nothing suss.

[tommeke_B]

Anyone has an idea where we can follow the shakedown-times?

[T.Maanteiden kuningas]

First times from @WRCGermany (https://twitter.com/WRCGermany) shakedown: 1 @DaniSordo (https://twitter.com/DaniSordo) 2:27.42 Latv 27.53 Ogier 28.34 @MikkoWRC (https://twitter.com/MikkoWRC) 29.15 Ostb 30.16 @khalidbinfaisal (https://twitter.com/khalidbinfaisal) 41.1

[Mirek]

According to a friend the reason is two damaged vertebrae of Mikko which were found only in pre-Deutschland medical test.

[T.Maanteiden kuningas]

@CitroenRacing (https://twitter.com/CitroenRacing)
Shakedown after 2 runs1 @DaniSordo (https://twitter.com/DaniSordo) 2:25.92 Latvala & Ogier 26.34 Ostberg 27.65 @MikkoWRC (https://twitter.com/MikkoWRC) 28.1#WRC (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23WRC&src=hash) #RallyeDeutschland (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23RallyeDeutschland&src=hash)

[amilk]

@CitroenRacing (https://twitter.com/CitroenRacing)
Shakedown after 2 runs1 @DaniSordo (https://twitter.com/DaniSordo) 2:25.92 Latvala & Ogier 26.34 Ostberg 27.65 @MikkoWRC (https://twitter.com/MikkoWRC) 28.1#WRC (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23WRC&src=hash) #RallyeDeutschland (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23RallyeDeutschland&src=hash)

No Neuville in top 10....any news?

[T.Maanteiden kuningas]

Timing failure.....

#RallyeDeutschland (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23RallyeDeutschland&src=hash) - Shakedown - Neuville has finished but times aren't working.

[makinen_fan]

No Neuville in top 10....any news?

Julian porter:
1 run in shakedown for @thierryneuville & he has a down on power engine, the @QMWRT work to fix it. pic.twitter.com/iiayoiyBHX

[Sulland]

Too bad for Mikkel & Mikko !
But health comes first.

Speedy recovery wishes to Mikko M!

[T.Maanteiden kuningas]

Shakedown results (so far):
1. Jari-Matti Latvala VW 2.23,5 (4)
2. Sebastien Ogier VW +1,4 (4)
3. Thierry Neuville Ford +1,9 (3)
4. Mads Östberg Ford +2,2 (4)
5. Dani Sordo Citroen +2,4 (3)
6. Mikko Hirvonen Citroen +2,7 (3)
7. Jevgeni Novikov Ford +2,9 (2)
8. P-G. Andersson Ford +4,4 (2)

[makinen_fan]

oh dear, Sordo already off the pace!

[Astro83]

We will see after qualifying stage, I think Sordo will set a good time and will be fast in this event!

I hope PG can find a better pace aswell... He also have some lack of power..

[rage82]

We will see after qualifying stage, I think Sordo will set a good time and will be fast in this event!

I hope PG can find a better pace aswell... He also have some lack of power..
No QS for this rally as it's an all tarmac event! Only shakedown for crews to make last setup adjustments.

[Astro83]

Soo true, my bad!! But Sordo will find the pace anyway! ;)

[megadrive]

from offical web
Die Top-5 des Shakedown:
1. Jari-Matti Latvala, Volkswagen 2:23.5
2. Daniel Sordo, Citroen +0.7
3. Thierry Neuville, M-Sport +0.8
4. Sébastien Ogier, Volkswagen +1.4
5. Evgeny Novikov, M-Sport +1.6

[T.Maanteiden kuningas]

UPDATE:
@CitroenRacing (https://twitter.com/CitroenRacing) Shakedown
1 Latvala 2:23.52
@DaniSordo (https://twitter.com/DaniSordo) 24.23
Neuville 24.34
Ogier 24.95
Novikov 25.16
@MikkoWRC (https://twitter.com/MikkoWRC) 25.59
@khalidbinfaisal (https://twitter.com/khalidbinfaisal?original_referer=http%3A%2F%2Fwww. citroen-wrc.com%2Fen%2F&profile_id=186113486&tw_i=370186290073206784&tw_p=embeddedtimeline&tw_w=347987249268412416) 28.9#WRC (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23WRC&src=hash)

[Kielder]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_PQPuJGQ4Q

[Astro83]

it seems like Sordo DID find the trottle! ;) Im not worried! He is a real good driver, especilly on tarmac!

[thuGG]

Found this shakedown results on autosport forum (by cravenciak):

1. Latvala 2:23.5 (Polo R WRC)
2. Sordo+0.7 (DS3 WRC)
3. Neuville+0.8 (Fiesta WRC)
4. Ogier+1.4 (Polo R WRC)
5. Novikov+1.6 (Fiesta WRC)
6. Ostberg+2.2 (Fiesta WRC)
7. Hirvonen+2.7 (DS3 WRC)
8. PG Andersson+2.8 (Fiesta WRC)
9. Al-Attiyah+5.4 (Fiesta WRC)
10. Kosciuszko+5.7 (Fiesta WRC)
11. Prokop+6.8 (Fiesta WRC)
12. Kubica+7.2 (DS3 RRC)
13. Al-Qassimi+11.8.(DS3 WRC)

[tommeke_B]

As long as they are using this shakedown, I'm not going to watch it, far from spectacular. :( The shakedown near Luxembourg (Sauertal, used until '11) was great...

[rallye-sport]

Shakedown Photos -> Photos Rallye d'Allemagne 2013 (http://www.rallye-sport.fr/photos-rallye-dallemagne-2013/)

http://www.rallye-sport.fr/wp-content/gallery/allemagne-2013/aurelien_vialatte_13_0.jpg



http://www.rallye-sport.fr/wp-content/gallery/allemagne-2013/aurelien_vialatte_15_0.jpg



http://www.rallye-sport.fr/wp-content/gallery/allemagne-2013/aurelien_vialatte_05_0.jpg

[Jafry]

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2013/1186/1186_adac_rally_deutschland_2013_4999a72bf4.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2013/1186/1186_adac_rally_deutschland_2013_cae0cdcf38.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2013/1186/1186_adac_rally_deutschland_2013_873d5492cb.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2013/1186/1186_adac_rally_deutschland_2013_b892f64418.jpg

More photos from shake HERE (http://www.rally-mania.cz/photogallery.php?id=1186)

[MartijnS]

As long as they are using this shakedown, I'm not going to watch it, far from spectacular. :( The shakedown near Luxembourg (Sauertal, used until '11) was great...

It sucks indeed..
Went last year, didnt go this year.
The plan was to go Friday and Saturday. Joost and my dad are, but I'm only going to be there saturday. New temporary job started today and can't get the day off Friday.. ;) So a WRC Rallysprint for me this year in Germany.

[Langdale Forest]

Could this be the rally where Sordo gets his first win?, remember, no Loeb so no Citroen team orders.

[tommeke_B]

Could this be the rally where Sordo gets his first win?, remember, no Loeb so no Citroen team orders.

If Ogier doesn't have a clean run, he has a small chance, yes. :)

[miniwintz]

Was the Mini so far off Ford/Citroën last year ?
I watched 2012 Rally France again yesterday (all stages were aired live on TV) and he seemed really off the pace, barely setting any good times at all. To me, Latvala, Neuville and Östberg (in order) seemed much more comfortable on the stages.

[pantealex]

Since 2001 Citroen has won everytime!
Pressure is on ...

[Micke_VOC]

Complete list of shakedown times ?
Can't find it on Official Website..

[miniwintz]

http://pic.twitter.com/tPuhk3A8Up Not really complete but I haven't got anything better

[vkangas]

Interesting to see what Latvala can do. He has been always fast on gravel but has progressed a lot on tarmac recent years. Shakedown is promising.. And don't say anything about rocks.. :) .

[OnlyRally]

Interesting to see what Latvala can do. He has been always fast on gravel but has progressed a lot on tarmac recent years. Shakedown is promising.. And don't say anything about rocks.. :) .

only have concrete blocks on my mind :D

[JieM]

Video of shakedown:


http://youtu.be/r6GflOBmbjE

[Astro83]

Great pics and movies! Keep em coming! ;)

[tommeke_B]

Leaving to Germany tomorrow morning. Only some 3h30mins to drive. We'll go drive a few stages tomorrow and then do SS1 (and possibly SS2 also). If I have enough time during the event, I'll put down some update in the topic here. I'll try to post some photos on the facebook page of rally-image too (http://facebook.rally-image.be - also visible for non-facebook users). Let's hope for an exciting battle like there has been in Finland... :)

[jacko]

List of names (tarmac-crew) that will check the roads after the stages:
Sebastien Ogier –-> Simon Jean-Joseph (replaces Nicolas Vouilloz)
Jari-Matti Latvala –-> Toni Gardemeister
Thierry Neuville –-> Bruno Thiry
Mikko Hirvonen –-> Timo Kankkunen
Dani Sordo –-> Luis Bartolome
Mads Östberg –-> Morten Östberg
Evgeny Novikov –-> Bruno Saby
Andreas Mikkelsen –-> David Doppelreiter
Khalid Al Qassimi –-> Kris Meeke
Martin Prokop –-> Stepan Vojtech
Michal Kosciuszko –-> Lezek Kuzaj

[Astro83]

PG Andersson---> Fredrik Åhlin ;)

[Hartusvuori]

http://rallirinki.kuvat.fi/kuvat/ADAC%20Rallye%20Deutschland%202013/_MG_9336.JPG?img=small
Östberg approaching the corner van Merksteijn found too difficult last year.

http://rallirinki.kuvat.fi/kuvat/ADAC%20Rallye%20Deutschland%202013/_MG_9080.JPG?img=small
Lifesaver vest on the photographer. It is a heavy breaking after a very fast section. Doesn't look too bad from this angle, but still not the most safe spot...


http://rallirinki.kuvat.fi/kuvat/ADAC%20Rallye%20Deutschland%202013/IMG_9488.JPG?img=small
This we found from Kubica's service lot.

Here are my friend's gallery from Rally Germany so far: ADAC Rallye Deutschland 2013 (http://rallirinki.kuvat.fi/kuvat/ADAC+Rallye+Deutschland+2013/)

Like it've been said here already, the shakedown as it is now isn't the most inspiring. Last year it was all new for us and there were some action, but this year it left a milder remark. Only thing similar to last year was that I got sunburnt today as well... Last hairpin right is okeyish, still nothing too special. Ogier missed the braking point on 2nd run and went a little wide, which must've been the first ever I saw Ogier making a mistake. Then we moved on to the place with long view on approach and departure with double right in the middle. Nothing remarkable there. A little bit less spectators compared to last year. Perhaps Wednesday noon isn't the most favourable time.

Tomorrow no rush to get up. These two first days are really easy. It should sped up from Friday morning.

[Andre Oliveira]

Shakedown photos by Patrick Beelen here (http://ewrc-results.com/foto.php?e=6539&t=ADAC-Rallye-Deutschland-2013)

http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2013/photos/adac_rallye_deutschland_2013/pbe_barable01.jpghttp://www.ewrc.cz/images/2013/photos/adac_rallye_deutschland_2013/pbe_kosciuszko01.jpghttp://www.ewrc.cz/images/2013/photos/adac_rallye_deutschland_2013/pbe_hirvonen01.jpg

[Juha_Koo]

Apparently Ogier (once again) had an handbrake problem on one shakedown run? Does ayone know which system they are using in Germany?

[rallysupportnl]

Video Shakedown WRC ADAC Rallye Deutschland 2013


http://youtu.be/ha_OY5BS6Ls

[noel157]

Anybody got WRC 3 SD times?

[NikoP]

http://nikop.kuvat.fi/kuvat/2013/ADAC+Rallye+Deutschland/IMG_8873+copy.jpg/_img900.jpg

http://nikop.kuvat.fi/kuvat/2013/ADAC+Rallye+Deutschland/IMG_9140+copy.jpg/_img900.jpg

Shakedown photos: ADAC Rallye Deutschland (http://nikop.kuvat.fi/kuvat/2013/ADAC+Rallye+Deutschland/)

[rage82]

List of names (tarmac-crew) that will check the roads after the stages:
Sebastien Ogier –-> Simon Jean-Joseph (replaces Nicolas Vouilloz)
Jari-Matti Latvala –-> Toni Gardemeister
Thierry Neuville –-> Bruno Thiry
Mikko Hirvonen –-> Timo Kankkunen
Dani Sordo –-> Luis Bartolome
Mads Östberg –-> Morten Östberg
Evgeny Novikov –-> Bruno Saby
Andreas Mikkelsen –-> David Doppelreiter
Khalid Al Qassimi –-> Kris Meeke
Martin Prokop –-> Stepan Vojtech
Michal Kosciuszko –-> Lezek Kuzaj

Great info thanks! It's always interesting to know who is driving the route note cars.

[Rallying UK]

RALLY DEUTSCHLAND: Watch all the best videos from Shakedown on Rallye Deutschland 2013 with this interactive image: Rallye Deutschland 2013: Shakedown wrap - ThingLink (http://bit.ly/19K4OBe)

[dimviii]

Could this be the rally where Sordo gets his first win?, remember, no Loeb so no Citroen team orders.

yes its obvious that Sordo was blocked 5 years at Citroen from Loeb.This year is clearly visible.

[dimviii]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ej4ZgU97mNs

[stefanvv]

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7446/9564799398_4e74551702_o.jpg
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7414/9562009161_f4b61e51d5_o.jpg
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7459/9562008465_f665c67deb_o.jpg
http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2868/9562003709_a94e6375e4_o.jpg

[dimviii]

Ogiers mistake (overshoot junction)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=sLKfd9go5SE

[ThomasS]

WRC2 Shakedown times - Kubica 2:30.7, Wiegand +3.6, Paddon +3.8, Evans +6.7, Barrable +7.2

[Toyoda]

Ogiers mistake (overshoot junction)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=sLKfd9go5SE

Wow Ogier mistake almost ever time on that corner

[WUff1]

List of names (tarmac-crew) that will check the roads after the stages:
Sebastien Ogier –-> Simon Jean-Joseph (replaces Nicolas Vouilloz)
Jari-Matti Latvala –-> Toni Gardemeister
Thierry Neuville –-> Bruno Thiry
Mikko Hirvonen –-> Timo Kankkunen
Dani Sordo –-> Luis Bartolome
Mads Östberg –-> Morten Östberg
Evgeny Novikov –-> Bruno Saby
Andreas Mikkelsen –-> David Doppelreiter
Khalid Al Qassimi –-> Kris Meeke
Martin Prokop –-> Stepan Vojtech
Michal Kosciuszko –-> Lezek Kuzaj

+ Bryan Bouffier for Nasser al-Attiyah.

[dimviii]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=VyBR-qFItFk

[LetsGoRacingBoys]

My pictures from the Shakedown are online:
facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.558653370865708.1073741845.490764944321218&type=1
or search Facebook: Best of Rally Action
Sorry I don´t have enough posts to post the link.

[Rallying UK]

RALLYE DEUTSCHLAND: There are now many more video updates to the interactive image from Shakedown on Rallye Deutschland 2013. Check it out!:
Rallye Deutschland 2013: Shakedown wrap - ThingLink (http://bit.ly/19K4OBe)

[amilk]

List of names (tarmac-crew) that will check the roads after the stages:
Sebastien Ogier –-> Simon Jean-Joseph (replaces Nicolas Vouilloz)
Jari-Matti Latvala –-> Toni Gardemeister
Thierry Neuville –-> Bruno Thiry
Mikko Hirvonen –-> Timo Kankkunen
Dani Sordo –-> Luis Bartolome
Mads Östberg –-> Morten Östberg
Evgeny Novikov –-> Bruno Saby
Andreas Mikkelsen –-> David Doppelreiter
Khalid Al Qassimi –-> Kris Meeke
Martin Prokop –-> Stepan Vojtech
Michal Kosciuszko –-> Lezek Kuzaj

Interesting. What is the motivation for "old boys" like Saby , Garde, Kuzaj, Thiry , Simon Jean_Joseph, to that job? Money, I don't believe, supporting the young ones? maybe... Just for fun and to have a good time around WRC circus?

[dimviii]

big experience

[amilk]

Yes, they have but it's still not a motivation for them to spend their time in recce cars.

[dimviii]

Yes, they have but it's still not a motivation for them to spend their time in recce cars.

money always give motivation.

[jonkka]

Interesting, Sordo +1,4... Is he taking it steady or is Citroen really so slow?

[Tom206wrc]

No 3rd split for Latvala :confused:
Edit: OK... ;)

[Bartek]

Good start for Novikov, off in 1st stage...

[mousti]

Yeah definately this is the homeground of VW..

Novikov probably allready off, ouch...

[dupanton]

Ogier isn't happy about the setup. But way faster then the rest... Neuville and Latvala not happy...

[Tom206wrc]

Even Latvala and Neuville faster than Sordo :mad:

[Fiat-131-Abarth]

Mikko loses 20 secs.

[focus206]

Citroen already that slow :\
and wow what a great season for Novikov, great job, really...

[Bartek]

Kubica have chance to be fastest Citroen in 1st stage.... :)

[dimviii]

Mikko loses 20 secs.

at 23 km....

[MikeD]

This might be the rally where is over and out for Dani Sordo in the WRC.