ADAC Rallye Deutschland 2013

[kober]

4 out of 4 for Neuville. I'm glad to see Sordo upped his pace.

[dimviii]

And what does he say in his German interview.. 'Hab spaB gemacht.' I had fun :)

Latvala took a hit there in a dip?

[SS6] Jari-Matti Latvala (Volkswagen) 13:20.5 Looks like he has hit something on the rear left "We felt the vibration, it was a compression (jump) at the beginning of the stage and the impact was heavier than expected."

[Fast Eddie WRC]

SS7 is this where Neuville finally takes the lead ? Go Thierry ! :bounce:

[Gregor-y]

No, no issues with WRC live. Other than their crappy music choices :)
On the plus side they're not playing Trebor Edwards. :p

[T.Maanteiden kuningas]

GO Latvala......max attack......hanaaaaaaaa!!!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

So Latvala wins the stage... didnt expect that... and Thierry says he couldnt have gone any faster.

[HaCo]

Neuville broke a rim.

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[HaCo]

SS7 @thierryneuville Broken left rear rim http://shrd.by/5cnDjo #wrc #rallyedeutschland
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[stefanvv]

So Latvala wins the stage... didnt expect that... and Thierry says he couldnt have gone any faster.

If he wants to run 1st tomorrow, must push hard

[Fast Eddie WRC]

If he wants to run 1st tomorrow, must push hard

I think he did push there, problem with a broken rim and tyres going off. Not sure it makes much difference running 1st tomorrow unless its wet and muddy from cuts...

[stefanvv]

I think he did push there, problem with a broken rim and tyres going off. Not sure it makes much difference running 1st tomorrow unless its wet and muddy from cuts...

Well, even dry, there is dirt on the road too, but of course mud is lot worse

[Lord_Shaitan]

Great fight between Kubica and Evans :) !!!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Great fight between Kubica and Evans :) !!!

Evans is doing brilliantly keeping up with RK, especially considering he is much more of a gravel driver. Just 9sec behind after 1h 30m :)

[T.Maanteiden kuningas]

Jari-Matti is flying! More speed......

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Rally is all set-up for a great battle ... who is your money on ?

JML to get his first tarmac win or Neuville to get his first WRC win ?

[Tom206wrc]

I couldn't believe my eyes when this morning after work I discovered Ogier was early out on today's leg :eek:

[Bartek]

It's sad but Citroen need 2 new drivers... Sordo is tarmac drives and he is about 30 seconds behind JML...

[T.Maanteiden kuningas]

Haah, Mikko is faster SS8 than Sordo. Great! Good day!

[Allyc85]

Rally is all set-up for a great battle ... who is your money on ?

JML to get his first tarmac win or Neuville to get his first WRC win ?

Neuville ;)

[Mirek]

Haah, Mikko is faster SS8 than Sordo. Great! Good day!Sordo went straight in a junction. Besides that Mikko is 21 seconds behind Sordo.

[noel157]

Is Dani doing enough to keep his seat? We'll soon see.

[Rallying UK]

It's already out!!

RALLYE DEUTSCHLAND: Catch up with the best action from Day Two of Rallye Deutschland 2013 with this interactive image:

Rallye Deutschland 2013: Day Two Wrap - ThingLink (http://bit.ly/15hho6K)

[rallye-sport]

New update -> Photos Rallye d'Allemagne 2013 (http://www.rallye-sport.fr/photos-rallye-dallemagne-2013/)


http://www.rallye-sport.fr/wp-content/gallery/allemagne-2013/aurelien_vialatte_17_2.jpg



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http://www.rallye-sport.fr/wp-content/gallery/allemagne-2013/aurelien_vialatte_24.jpg



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[Bartek]

End of the rally for Kościuszko, he will not back tomorrow.

[stefanvv]

Rally is all set-up for a great battle ... who is your money on ?

JML to get his first tarmac win or Neuville to get his first WRC win ?

Whoever wins Panzerplatte

[stefanvv]

Still pushing with broken suspension:
http://www.rallye-sport.fr/wp-content/gallery/allemagne-2013/aurelien_vialatte_10_2.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=po4PO8mA92g

[hari]

Some of my images:
IR7.at: Galerie - WRC Rallye Deutschland 2013 (http://www.ir7.at/content/fotos_wrc_rallye_deutschland_2013_bestof_1.php)

http://www.ir7.at/ger131.jpghttp://www.ir7.at/ger132.jpghttp://www.ir7.at/ger133.jpg

[tommeke_B]

Had an amazing day. Some "review" and photos will follow later. Here a video my friend made, crash of Campedelli: Crash Simone Campedelli - WRC Rally Germany - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTwKvMOagBw)

[kober]

Ogier's accident from onboard: WRC ADAC Rallye Deutschland 2013: Stages 5-8 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOu3SzYDMX8) Clearly, he had not been paying attention to the arrows :D

[Jafry]

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2013/1186/1186_adac_rally_deutschland_2013_ad9a888a01.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2013/1186/1186_adac_rally_deutschland_2013_f3f99ccde2.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2013/1186/1186_adac_rally_deutschland_2013_399a84cd9a.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2013/1186/1186_adac_rally_deutschland_2013_3819426b64.jpg

More photos HERE (http://www.rally-mania.cz/photogallery.php?id=1186)

[COD]

Rally is all set-up for a great battle ... who is your money on ?

JML to get his first tarmac win or Neuville to get his first WRC win ?

Neuville

[ThomasS]

WRC2 Kubica leads overnight, Evans +12.4, Wiegand +1:54.2, Paddon +1:57.9

Good day for Paddon with 3 scratch times despite the damp conditions in the late morning , he's clearly suffering lack of low down power out of the tight hair pins however. I imagine he will rein in Weigand tomorrow but the others are too far ahead.

[Kielder]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ia7p6d1FiI0

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Some of my images:
IR7.at: Galerie - WRC Rallye Deutschland 2013 (http://www.ir7.at/content/fotos_wrc_rallye_deutschland_2013_bestof_1.php)

http://www.ir7.at/ger131.jpghttp://www.ir7.at/ger132.jpghttp://www.ir7.at/ger133.jpg

Some stunning photo's here !

Great setting and some excellent action... perfect rally for photo's.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Sounds like Neuville realises he is the hot property for 2014 and could be on the move...

"I’m happy where I am for the moment because the team is doing an amazing job and Nasser and Malcolm gave me a big, big opportunity to drive this year,” Neuville told wrc.com. “I think with M-Sport I can have a great future. So we always say never change a team that is winning.

“But, at the same time, we didn’t win yet, we have just been on the podium. I’m open for everything and if there are some manufacturers or teams who want me to run, of course I’m listening and I will take my decision at the end.”

Plus Citroen boss Yves Matton said he would begin the process of building his 2014 squad after this weekend’s Rallye Deutschland and has praised Neuville for his recent performances...

[Mihai]

http://www.rallye-sport.fr/wp-content/gallery/allemagne-2013/aurelien_vialatte_24.jpg


Kubica's hayon is open! More downforce on the rear axle or was he busy delivering something on the stage ? Like smuggling booze or anything ? :D

[KKS]

Hm... strange Ogier mistake this morning.
Anybody know weather for tomorrow? It will be nice that Sordo can catch two front runners

[Allyc85]

Sounds like Neuville realises he is the hot property for 2014 and could be on the move...

"I’m happy where I am for the moment because the team is doing an amazing job and Nasser and Malcolm gave me a big, big opportunity to drive this year,” Neuville told wrc.com. “I think with M-Sport I can have a great future. So we always say never change a team that is winning.

“But, at the same time, we didn’t win yet, we have just been on the podium. I’m open for everything and if there are some manufacturers or teams who want me to run, of course I’m listening and I will take my decision at the end.”

Plus Citroen boss Yves Matton said he would begin the process of building his 2014 squad after this weekend’s Rallye Deutschland and has praised Neuville for his recent performances...

Neuville and Meeke would be a great pairing! ;) :D

[HarriK]

quite an moment:
WRC ADAC Rallye Deutschland 2013 Almost Crash Lucky Drivers - YouTube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4groImUA6I (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnB1Y-5HJr4&feature=player_detailpage)

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Neuville and Meeke would be a great pairing! ;) :D

But which team.. ? :confused:

[Hartusvuori]

Start list for tomorrow: http://www.adac-rallye-deutschland.de/docs/wrc/static/234/Startlist_Section_4.pdf

No PGA.

[Mirek]

PG, Kremer and Žito. Photo by rallylife.czhttps://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/q87/s720x720/1003920_612913365397343_1694708716_n.jpg

[NikoP]

http://nikop.kuvat.fi/kuvat/2013/ADAC+Rallye+Deutschland/IMG_9283+copy.jpg/_img900.jpg

http://nikop.kuvat.fi/kuvat/2013/ADAC+Rallye+Deutschland/IMG_9779+copy.jpg/_img900.jpg

Today's photos: ADAC Rallye Deutschland (http://nikop.kuvat.fi/kuvat/2013/ADAC+Rallye+Deutschland/)

[dupanton]

Could it be a wrong/late pacenote that caused Ogiers accident? While watching the footage, I noticed he was to wide on the left corner just before to take a decent line on the right corner. And he went in to fast...
Or was he to fast in the left corner, causing him to be on the grass and therefore not being able to slow the car down?

[amilk]

Could it be a wrong/late pacenote that caused Ogiers accident? While watching the footage, I noticed he was to wide on the left corner just before to take a decent line on the right corner. And he went in to fast...
Or was he to fast in the left corner, causing him to be on the grass and therefore not being able to slow the car down?

That was my feeling at first watch too. He is right the place was damp after the left at the breaking - if there was no note about that from the ice crew then it is fault of them ( I dont believe the ice crew not noticed it). But maybe the whole stage was damp during the ice crew review.
It is also possible that he was simple too quick then in the left the breakeing can not be enough agressive othervise he loose the grip already in the left.

[kober]

Kubica's hayon is open! More downforce on the rear axle or was he busy delivering something on the stage ? Like smuggling booze or anything ? :D He's a Pole, driving in Germany. More likely he had just stolen* the car, maybe broke the hatch in the process :D

* they have this saying in Deutschland: "Vacation? Go to Poland; your car is already there" :D

[stefanvv]

Could it be a wrong/late pacenote that caused Ogiers accident? While watching the footage, I noticed he was to wide on the left corner just before to take a decent line on the right corner. And he went in to fast...
Or was he to fast in the left corner, causing him to be on the grass and therefore not being able to slow the car down?

He says it is missing note for a damp place on the left hander when he was braking, from the video it seems the car just went little wide and slided there, then went too straight in the right hander. Probably truth is somewhere in the middle and he was little too fast there

[COD]

Hm... strange Ogier mistake this morning.
Anybody know weather for tomorrow? It will be nice that Sordo can catch two front runners

Why strange? Even the best of them make mistakes sometimes. Loeb even :)

Like Ogier said in some interview, maybe a mistake by gravel crew, but he said that in the end it was his mistake because he was the one driving. That comment just made me like him more!

[tommeke_B]

So a little resume of today. We did 4 stages, 2x Mittelmosel + Grafshaft. We started off with the fast right corner with the huge bump in exit (see video of Campedelli I posted earlier). Again really impressive how stabile the WRC cars were, thanks to the long spring travel and the perfect weight balance. The back of DS3's was kicked in the air a lot, resulting in a crash for Campedelli and extreme moment for Cronin (hitting the wall even 100m behind the bump). With Campedelli it was a bit funny. He tried to start the engine again immediately, but some spectators went knocking on his window, to tell him some wheels were missing (one gone and another wheel with broken damper/mount... :D The second place we did was a jump in a corner (see photo of Brynildsen), really crazy how fast they took it. Al-Attiyah, Kosciuszko and Brynildsen hadn't the best line and went off a little (some 1m, just on the edge of the grapes), quite lucky there... On the first stage of second loop we went to a well known jump (see photo of Al-Attiyah, who did some strange move). Was nice to see the cars jumping just before braking hard into a junction left. On the 4th stage we went to a very fast left corner with cut, was nice too, especially the Fiesta R2s were impressive there.

About the drivers, both Neuville and Latvala are great, very clean but fast, how it should be. Sordo and Hirvonen look really good also, on stage, I don't know where they are losing their time. The difference is probably in the details... Ostberg is very disappointing to me, in the very fast situations (except for the jump in corner we did) he wasn't really "on it", the difference was visible, he didn't even look faster than Prokop to give an example. Al-Attiyah driving like a mad man, so did Kosciuszko, seen him twice, 2x crazy. Kubica looks good with the DS3, very clean, like expected in fact. Elfyn Evans is very impressive, he is very fast but relatively clean as well. Also Hayden Paddon was very impressive all the time. Wiegand disappointing IMO, also very little progression to where he was a year ago. The DS3's and Fiesta's are nice to watch, an extra value to the event for sure! The only thing I'm missing is some more private WRC cars... 10 years ago there were 30 cars, and private cars of almost every make, shouldn't FIA create a rule that persuades manufacturers to sell their WRC cars to privateers?

A couple of photos below, more on the facebook-page of rally-image (also open to people who aren't on facebook): https://www.facebook.com/pages/rally-imagebe/176477852364109

https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/1098414_700586616619894_1642594401_n.jpg

https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/968783_700586779953211_1561733736_n.jpg

https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/1236968_700586566619899_917371980_n.jpg

2x Stein & Wein + Panzerplatte on the shedule for tomorrow...

[mousti]

They are ready to battle with Jari-Matti :D

https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/1239375_10201723272826413_876957083_n.jpg

[Hartusvuori]

http://rallirinki.kuvat.fi/kuvat/ADAC%20Rallye%20Deutschland%202013/_MG_0697.JPG?img=small
http://rallirinki.kuvat.fi/kuvat/ADAC%20Rallye%20Deutschland%202013/_MG_0263.JPG?img=small
http://rallirinki.kuvat.fi/kuvat/ADAC%20Rallye%20Deutschland%202013/_MG_0518.JPG?img=small

Here's an update on my friend photo gallery, take a look: ADAC Rallye Deutschland 2013 (http://rallirinki.kuvat.fi/kuvat/ADAC+Rallye+Deutschland+2013/)

So, finally on the 3rd day Rally Germany began! We did 3 stages, similar to our last year's plan with Mittelmosel 2 and 2 and Grafschaft 2. Marshalls seemed to be more strict this year when compared to last. The wall we stood a year ago was an absolute no-go now, so I settled for a long view over the hairpins in the vineyards. Then Tom sent me the message on Ogier's misfortune, and all things went crazy since then for a moment. It looked liked Latvala was missing too, but soon we had both Polos in sight. At our point Latvala only a few seconds behind Ogier. With Ogier out of the picture, it must be said Latvala and Neuville are in the league of their own. The game is clear in my opionion, Latvala is in defence mode whereas Neuville must attack. Neuvillle did that for the first 4 stages, but luckily Latvala bounced back on the last two stages. I can tell Panzerplatte will decide. Other drivers just aren't there quite yet. If compared to Finland, the top is now only two drivers whereas in Finland it was 4-5 drivers throughout the event. For our last stop we did Grafschaft 2 near the finish, a bump into downhill hairpin right. Top drivers took it easy, but it was spectacular nevertheless. Novikov, Kubica and Evans made a difference there. Also, for a Finn, a different place to spectate a rally as we could see long view of the previous stage Moselland in the distance. Something unheard for us back at home.

Tomorrow we'll settle for three stages if it doesn't pour. It should be great battle in front!

[Rallying UK]

OGIER: Here's the story in photos and videos of Sébastien Ogier's unfortunate Day Two on Rallye Deutschland 2013:

Sébastien Ogier's exit from Rally Deutschland 2013 (with images, tweets) · RallyingUK · Storify (http://bit.ly/1c16BiS)

[danon]

http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/6473/97je.jpg

[Hartusvuori]

http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/6473/97je.jpg

What are you trying to say? There are corners to the opposite direction before the junction the marks are indicating to. Same for all, all have been through recce twice.

[danon]

Look beyond...

[dimviii]

http://tylwydd.smugmug.com/Rallye/ADAC-Rallye-Deutschland-2013/i-42r8GCZ/0/XL/P1234144-XL.jpg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZvOZU-UYUA

[dimviii]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=VpOMbclm9oo

[dimviii]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=8Y8ISGaYISE

[danon]

What are you trying to say? There are corners to the opposite direction before the junction the marks are indicating to. Same for all, all have been through recce twice.

Additional 'pacenotes' data some pay attention to.

[dimviii]

Latvala after ss6
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BSYPTL3IQAAX3-A.jpg:large

[dimviii]

Chardonet after crash with a (sick) dog
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BSYOnU2IIAAkt3Z.jpg:large

[Kielder]

I wouldn't have ever bet for this at the start of the season...

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/POLO-R-WRC-RALLY-GERMANY.jpg

Of course there are still two remaining days of Rally Deutschland, but today JML showed that he is the only one who could bring us a more interesting 2014 (Neuville would need a VW too ;) ). Great to see that sometimes his head isn't as light as it usually is! :)

P.S. Keeping the style, the first thing :p ::



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BSYPTL3IQAAX3-A.jpg:large

[danon]

Finally something different from the ocean of VW pics and vids.
Definitely A headline photo and another nominee for "Grasp the moment 2013".
Bravo to the author.
Good catch!!!


Chardonet after crash with a (sick) dog
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BSYOnU2IIAAkt3Z.jpg:large

[bluuford]

morning weather will be nice, lunch and afternoon with heavy rainshowers and heavy rain. take your rain coat!

[rallysupportnl]

Video Day 2 WRC ADAC Rallye Deutschland 2013


http://youtu.be/v-i0VF8Ld2k

[rallyfanbelgium]

i hope Neuville win this time ( http://www.facebook.com/bestrallyvideos )

[stefanvv]

Latvala after ss6
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BSYPTL3IQAAX3-A.jpg:large

No rock this time, that happened at the bump where Campedelli crashed

[D1sCo]

I was never a fan of Neuville but these recent events lead me to thank his participation in the WRC. We need more competitiveness!

[makinen_fan]

At last, first time to hear Sordo being happy this year. Hope we see a three way fight to the end

[dupanton]

Chardonet after crash with a (sick) dog
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BSYOnU2IIAAkt3Z.jpg:large

Looks like they are in good company :s mokin:

[dupanton]

Evans takes the WRC2 lead after Kubica had a spin :)

[jonkka]

If Ogi can pull off that sort of times even running so low, how fast he would have been from the front?

[Miika]

7.4 sec seems like eternity. Until the rain arrives.

[amilk]

7.4 sec seems like eternity. Until the rain arrives.

Yes , Neuville's only chance a rain now if it comes. But not sure he will be quicker on that.

[Fiat-131-Abarth]

10.6 secs now. Panzerplatte might bring the decision

[T.Maanteiden kuningas]

Latvala is doing great job! Now little more attack...

[Bartek]

10.6 secs now. Panzerplatte might bring the decision

Maybe it's too fast but I think Thierry will have problem not with Latvala but with Sordo, who found good rhythm

[Fiat-131-Abarth]

Where is Östberg? Again a timing mistake?

[dimviii]

Where is Östberg? Again a timing mistake?
] Mads Ostberg (Ford) 5:18.1 "I brake too late, I saw some brake lines and thought they were good. I went off… "

[leighton323]

Kubica commenting on the stages saying he believes his RRC car is down on power compared to the R5 car, especially at the hairpins.. Interesting

[Mirek]

Kubica back ahead of Evans. Great battle as well!

[amilk]

Kubica commenting on the stages saying he believes his RRC car is down on power compared to the R5 car, especially at the hairpins.. Interesting

Kubica reminds me a bit to Ogier sometimes in his interviews. Others can drive also quick...

[dupanton]

If there really will come heavy rain, anyone from 1st to 3th can still win this. 30s is nothing in a downpoor, with 2 times panzerplatte left!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

JML staying ahead and Sordo improving... a rally of suprises... :eek:

But here comes Panzerplatte ! Go Neuville !! :burnout:

[Integrale]

I'm not a meteorologist, but this looks like rain..

WunderMap® | Interactive Weather Map and Radar | Weather Underground (http://www.wunderground.com/wundermap/?lat=49.75000000&lon=6.63333321&zoom=8&pin=Trier%2c%20Duitsland&rad.type=00Q)

[dimviii]

are we ready?
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/q71/s720x720/1146700_532577716809040_1190000904_n.jpg

[A.F.F.]

Last night I was pretty sure that Neuville will catch and pass Latvala. Happy to see that Sordo is finally finding the needed pace.

All in all, whoever wins the rally will get it cheap. Somehow it doesn't have the glory knowing that Ogier would have won easily if he hadn't crash. Yes, I know that you need to finish the rally in order to win it but still, somehow it feels like charity :mark:

[Fiat-131-Abarth]

After The First two splits it doesn't look too good for Neuville.

[OnlyRally]

Last night I was pretty sure that Neuville will catch and pass Latvala. Happy to see that Sordo is finally finding the needed pace.

All in all, whoever wins the rally will get it cheap. Somehow it doesn't have the glory knowing that Ogier would have won easily if he hadn't crash. Yes, I know that you need to finish the rally in order to win it but still, somehow it feels like charity :mark:

im not with you on this one, everybody knows that Ogier is fast and he is taking very high risks. He has had more luck than other drivers this year(read no punctures)

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Latvala flying... respect !

[dimviii]

Sordo attacks

[stefanvv]

Latvala finishes... with Hinkelstein on his belt :D

[amilk]

Latvala back off so much hearing the splits?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Ogier slower than JML on first splits !

[Kielder]

JML at the end of Panzerplatte:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BSa_CLxIMAAMePn.jpg:large

[dimviii]

Latvala finishes... with Hinkelstein on his belt :D

2nd time lucky at this rally.

[Kielder]

JML at the end of Panzerplatte. At a left hand corner he went wide and hit a hinkelstein:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BSa_CLxIMAAMePn.jpg:large

[dimviii]

Sordo now +9 from Neuville.

[stefanvv]

Great time by Sordo

[vasgko2]

Hirvonen's performance in Germany is like Sordo's in Finland.

[dimviii]

Mikko.....what can we say?

SS11] Nasser Al-Attiyah (Ford) - Stopped on the stage approximately 21 kilometres into the test

[amilk]

I think Neuville moved with some setup change in the wrong direction compare to yesterday. Hirvonen also more near to him than yesterday. 8 sec at 41km, yesterday was 20sec on half distance.

[OnlyRally]

Both Kubica and Evans will score wrc Points this rally

[amilk]

Hirvonen's performance in Germany is like Sordo's in Finland.

? Sordo was a big dissapointment in Finland , Hirvonen a quite positive supprise in Germany or at least neutral.

[Bartek]

Hirvonen's performance in Germany is like Sordo's in Finland.

Hirvonen performance this year is really bad not only in Germany I think...

Look at Ogier, he is 10 car on the road and he don't have problems with his start position,

[amilk]

Hirvonen performance this year is really bad not only in Germany I think...

Look at Ogier, he is 10 car on the road and he don't have problems with his start position

Yes, but what you expected in Germany from him? He say that it's his best tarmac drive ever. On the gravel events he is clearly dissapoint

[Fiat-131-Abarth]

Look at Ogier's penultimate split. That's insane.

[dimviii]

Ogier -5 at last split,must be the point where Latvala hit his door(everybody is faster than him after this split)

[dimviii]

? Sordo was a big dissapointment in Finland , Hirvonen a quite positive supprise in Germany or at least neutral.

did you see his time at this stage?

[Bartek]

Yes, but what you expected in Germany from him? He say that it's his best tarmac drive ever. On the gravel events he is clearly dissapoint

I expected from him fighting for a title, Neuville is a rookie compare to Mikko and he is beating him like a child. From a men who is from a long time in this circus I'm expect more on this kind of surface

[PLuto]

Look at Ogier's penultimate split. That's insane.

He is flying, he has nothing to loose. Latvala and Neuville are following splits, they dont need push more. Others are the same...

[amilk]

did you see his time at this stage?

14 sec on 41km not bad against Sordo who is a tarmac guy. What you expected ? Last year was 2 min down in overall at this time in the rally to Loeb. So Hirvonen on his place on this rally (not on other gravel events)

[amilk]

I expected from him fighting for a title, Neuville is a rookie compare to Mikko and he is beating him like a child. From a men who is from a long time in this circus I'm expect more on this kind of surface

Fighting for the title - is long over. Age doesn't count much we learned. If during 10 years Mikko was not able to be more familier with tarmac it would be big supprise to do more in Germany this year.

[stefanvv]

104.6 km/h average for Ogier on Panzeplatte1. Last year Loeb's was 101.4

[dimviii]

14 sec on 41km not bad against Sordo who is a tarmac guy. What you expected ? Last year was 2 min down in overall at this time in the rally to Loeb. So Hirvonen on his place on this rally (not on other gravel events)

if you compare him with last year ,ok this year is better.If you compare him with Latvala is dissapointing.

[Barreis]

VW is better car then citroen at the moment...

[Integrale]

104.6 km/h average for Ogier on Panzeplatte1. Last year Loeb's was 101.4
Stage has changed significantly.

[dimviii]

104.6 km/h average for Ogier on Panzeplatte1. Last year Loeb's was 101.4

So at France Ogier will be a piece of cake to pass Loeb.

[amilk]

VW is better car then citroen at the moment...

It seems yes but we will see in France with Loeb.

[dimviii]

VW is better car then citroen at the moment...

how do you know that?

[Astro83]

Good and steady pace for JML in Panzerplatte! Nice battle also with Sordo and Neuville! Sorry to say maby, but I hope Sordo takes second place, always liked him as a driver and a person in WRC.


Gooo Pontus Tidemand! Real good event as usual for him this year!! :D

[amilk]

if you compare him with last year ,ok this year is better.If you compare him with Latvala is dissapointing.

Yes. What I wanted to say that Mikko not as big dissapointment than Sordo in Finland. Mikko's time is over.

[Kielder]

A good view of Panzerplatte:


http://i43.tinypic.com/2uoki9i.jpg


Short Ogier's video:


http://instagram.com/p/dY-X0WMGVw/#

[stefanvv]

So at France Ogier will be a piece of cake to pass Loeb.

I hope so :D

[amilk]

rain is coming still for the afternoon?

[Astro83]

Yes. What I wanted to say that Mikko not as big dissapointment than Sordo in Finland. Mikko's time is over.

It will be interesting after the season... I agree that Hirvonen not has have a good run with the citroen but I don't think that he will disappeared from WRC. Citroen will not take him on 2014 I think but M-sport or Hyundai will. He is whatever we think, a good and fast driver in WRC. Right about now there is Ogier, Latvala, Neuville, Sordo, Hirvonen that is the "top drivers" that are most consistent if you guys understand me, but Östberg and Novikov is also fast but do more mistakes over a season then the rest. both Östberg and Novikov can be bloody fast aswell but I don't see them fighting for the WRC-title for some seasons at least.

About Hirvonen, I think that it's rather simple. Citroen as a Team don't fit him as a person, many drivers have said that Citroen is a hard team to come in to.

I think M-Sport can be an option if Citroen takes over Neuville for next season?

But we will see!


Petter Solberg also want a seat for next season as for the swedish/Norwegian medias... hahahahahaha :)

[Astro83]

Amilk:


I think it will, and Panzerplatte will be veeery interesting! :)

[Fast Eddie WRC]

SS11 - Elfyn fastest of the WRC 2 drivers. He was 2.2 quicker than Kubica and now just 1.4 off regaining the lead :)

[dimviii]

I hope so :D

you used the right word.At Greece we used to say ''hope is the last thing that dies'' :p

[D1sCo]

It seems yes but we will see in France with Loeb.

I believe Loeb will have no chance due to some lack of rhythm?

[D1sCo]

Petter Solberg also want a seat for next season as for the swedish/Norwegian medias... hahahahahaha :)

I saw a post from him that he was interested in the future possible world rally-cross championship

[Astro83]

I saw a post from him that he was interested in the future possible world rally-cross championship


Yes me to, but he have also said that he wants back to WRC because he don't feel that he is "done" there ;)
But I don't see that any top teams will take him on, but maybe Hyundai will if he now decide that he wants to go back but it's more likely that he stays with rallycross.

I like Petter as a person in WRC, he is fun and so on and he was also a real fast driver but after the Subaru era he dropped year after year sadly...

[GallardoGT]

But I don't see that any top teams will take him on, but maybe Hyundai will if he now decide that he wants to go back but it's more likely that he stays with rallycross.


Hyundai will be a good choice. Mikko is generally fast, a hard worker and always diplomatic.

[Astro83]

Hyundai will be a good choice. Mikko is generally fast, a hard worker and always diplomatic.

What I ment with Hyundai was for Petter if he decides to move back on the WRC-train.. ;)

I rather see Hirvonen in M-Sport again ;)

[tfp]

It will be interesting after the season... I agree that Hirvonen not has have a good run with the citroen but I don't think that he will disappeared from WRC. Citroen will not take him on 2014 I think but M-sport or Hyundai will. He is whatever we think, a good and fast driver in WRC. Right about now there is Ogier, Latvala, Neuville, Sordo, Hirvonen that is the "top drivers" that are most consistent if you guys understand me, but Östberg and Novikov is also fast but do more mistakes over a season then the rest. both Östberg and Novikov can be bloody fast aswell but I don't see them fighting for the WRC-title for some seasons at least.

About Hirvonen, I think that it's rather simple. Citroen as a Team don't fit him as a person, many drivers have said that Citroen is a hard team to come in to.

I think M-Sport can be an option if Citroen takes over Neuville for next season?

But we will see!


Petter Solberg also want a seat for next season as for the swedish/Norwegian medias... hahahahahaha :)

we aren't referring to Duval are we? ;)

[tfp]

Ogiers last split time on ss11 was correct? I thought there had been a mistake!!

[D1sCo]

Yes I would love to see Petter Solberg again in the WRC, independently of the manufacturer :D

[Integrale]

What can we expect this afternoon? Still 126k to go this afternoon and tomorrow, that's one third of the rally. I'm impressed by Latvala's speed and consistency on these very typical tarmac roads. But he has only got about 15". One spin, one brake-point wrong, another Hinkelstein, and he's out of the lead. But to whom? Sordo is charging (finally), and I don't think Neuville can go any faster at this point.

[Astro83]

we aren't referring to Duval are we? ;)

Duval... haha.. No way. He was just to stupid and didn't drive "smart" at all and lost his career...

But what I understand, I'v heard that from Solberg in an swedish interview and some other drivers. They have talked about Citroen as a team and that it's tuff to "get in, in a proper way" with that team if you don't speak French for one example and so on. Not that Citroen is a "bad" team but that it can be "hard" to get a "good start" compered to M-Sport/Ford.

But I don't know, I don't have any experience there so ;) ;)

[Astro83]

What can we expect this afternoon? Still 126k to go this afternoon and tomorrow, that's one third of the rally. I'm impressed by Latvala's speed and consistency on these very typical tarmac roads. But he has only got about 15". One spin, one brake-point wrong, another Hinkelstein, and he's out of the lead. But to whom? Sordo is charging (finally), and I don't think Neuville can go any faster at this point.

I think that Latvala will go little bit slower and safer this loop and he will stay in lead (finally!!!) :D (like that Latvala is back! :) )

Then I hope and really think that Sordo will take second away from Neuville. Sordo is faster today.

But it will be interesting with the rain, Panzerplatte will be bloody slippery with all this loose gravel...

I think that Kubica will charge and hold on to the lead in WRC 2 and for JWRC, ofc - Tidemand will drive smart and hold on to his lead aswell :)

[stefanvv]

you used the right word.At Greece we used to say ''hope is the last thing that dies'' :p

:D You still believe Loeb will win in France, haha, I know it is almost his home, but no chance

[focus206]

Really enjoying this rally, nice battles for the victory and in WRC2 :)
Also, I really like Tidemand, fast and consistent... will JWRC run all the stages till the end?

[dimviii]

Colin Clark ‏@voiceofrally (https://twitter.com/voiceofrally)15λ (https://twitter.com/voiceofrally/status/371226330165444608)
Weather update from Birkenfeld! Had to take the ice creams indoors, it's just started to rain! :vader: :vader: :vader:

[dimviii]

Evans at ss10
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BSbPrZ6IIAA_-n-.jpg:large

[dimviii]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/q88/s720x720/1186762_10151783095997829_2030297145_n.jpghttps://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/q82/s720x720/1236972_10151783096137829_830010958_n.jpg

[Teme]

Also, I really like Tidemand, fast and consistent... will JWRC run all the stages till the end?

No, finish this evening.

[6789]

WRC Germany 2013 JUMPS 1080HD Pure Sound - YouTube

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=806q1q8zUyc&feature=youtu.be" target="_blank">
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=806q1q8zUyc&feature=youtu.be (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=806q1q8zUyc&feature=youtu.be)

[dimviii]

https://sphotos-a-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/q77/1239616_554118841321732_728759019_n.jpg

[Barreis]

There's so much new forum members here and some comments are rather funny...

[dimviii]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=0BKubjwgodc

[amilk]

There's so much new forum members here and some comments are rather funny...

Good to have fun and multicolored discussion.

[dimviii]

“The rain was forecast to arrive at 2pm, but it seems to have come early,” said Michelin’s rallies manager, Jacques Morelli. “The forecast is for more rain this afternoon although, as we have seen, this region is notoriously difficult to predict accurately.
“It is still warm and humid, so in these conditions the soft compound is the one to go for. The humid road surface is not so abrasive, so I have no concerns over the rubber lasting the 41km stage.”

World Rally Championship - News - Torrential rain adds twist in Trier (http://www.wrc.com/news/torrential-rain-adds-twist-in-trier/?fid=18980)

[dimviii]

Colin Clark ‏@voiceofrally (https://twitter.com/voiceofrally)7λ (https://twitter.com/voiceofrally/status/371244324543270913)
Waiting at end of SS12 and the rain has stopped. Skies are brightening, but road still very wet. Result - I may yet stay dry!!!

[Integrale]

Careful Thierry.. 2.7 sec quicker.

[stefanvv]

Take a look at the background @1:14 :D - WRC ADAC Rallye Deutschland 2013: Stages 9-11 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=0BKubjwgodc#t=74)

[Astro83]

Sodro quicker than Thierry ;)

[dimviii]

Sordo faster!Lets see!

[dimviii]

All the WRC Michelin runners going out on the soft compound.

[Integrale]

Oh.. problems for Latvala..

[stefanvv]

Anttilla's door has opened at the start of stage

[dimviii]

Latvala f@cked...

[Astro83]

:(

[dimviii]

Anttilla's door has opened at the start of stage

must be something else too.

[stefanvv]

must be something else too.

Yeah, it is....

[User]

Latvala off

[dimviii]

Latvala 2,20 min slower at split no5 compared to 1st pass...

[Astro83]

what the hell Latvala!!!!!! :( :(

hes off

[mousti]

Damn that Sordo :o

[sete]

What hapenned to Ostberg?

[stefanvv]

Disaster for VW is now complete :(

[stefanvv]

Neuville also hit something

[Astro83]

ostberg is off!


Come on Sordo!!!!!!!!! :D



hate that Latvala is off!! :(

[D1sCo]

Strange that Ogier never has mechanic problems (besides when he touches a wall) but Latvala and Mikkelsen have..

[mousti]

Neuville :(

[Eli]

come one Sordo, please just keep it on the road.

[dimviii]

Ogier and Latvala managed to loose everything inside Germany while leading with difference.
Loeb ruined the sport.

[GigiGalliNo1]

JML off and out.

Neuville and Sordo, logs in exhaust areas

[sete]

what wrong with the Neuville car? can he continue?

[dupanton]

First wet stage, and Latvala, Neuville and Ostberg went off... Nothing is certain yet!

Hopefully Neuville can repair his car, so the battle with Sordo will be close!

[Astro83]

I think that Neuville will continue but the exhaust is damage... :/

Anyway, Sordo is much quicker than Neuville today so had taking Neuville anyways but sad for Neuville!

Neuville will maybe loose some power but we will see

[mousti]

Exhaust damage and lost power, if he doesn't repair than Sordo will win it all :(

[Eli]

don't jinx it!!!

[PLuto]

It looks like that nobody wants to win this rally. Maybe Loeb will win it again? :D

[EightGear]

Imagine Neuville retiring and Prokop finishing 3rd...

[ProRally]

JML under too much pressure...

[stefanvv]

Looks like they all had problems on a corner with ice :confused:

[mousti]

Timing has stopped now too :-/

[focus206]

oh come on, Jari-Matti! :(
Looks like we'll have a new WRC winner... most probably...

[stefanvv]

Imagine Neuville retiring and Prokop finishing 3rd...

and if Sordo retires, Kubica gets podium

[stefanvv]

and if Sordo retires, Kubica gets podium

or Evans. First WRC podium for R5!

[Astro83]

JML was the worthy winner in this event but I will be very happy for Sordo if he will get this thru, he is worthy a win on tarmac! glad for him if he takes it!

[PLuto]

Timing has stopped now too :-/

No, timing is normally working.

[stefanvv]

(3 - Sordo Dani / Del Barrio Carlos): It was very nice conditions. I am really happy, I have done good stage, now difficult conditions in the next stages. Nice moments on the damp.
(11 - Neuville Thierry / Gilsoul Nicolas): On a left hander we could not see the corner, it was so slippery, I could not avoid. My engine is not pushing anymore. Many people will go out on this point. I see Latvala's brake disc on this corner, I tried to slow down as quick as I could.

[dimviii]

JML was the worthy winner in this event but I will be very happy for Sordo if he will get this thru, he is worthy a win on tarmac! glad for him if he takes it!

nobody worths to win with 3 mistakes at halfway.

[GallardoGT]

To have an idea about Stein&Wein, last year also in the wet:

Deutschland Rallye 2012 - WP7 Stein & Wein - Wecker / Clemens - Opel Astra GTC cdti - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kL-rRCTqM4)

[focus206]

News on Ostberg? Can he continue?

[dimviii]

Evans again faster from Kubica.

[Integrale]

Instagram (http://instagram.com/p/dZZhelkn8v/)

Neuville's pole. Didn't sound to good, although his splits seemed okay in Stein & Wein. If he keeps it together, he can drive his 5th podium of the season.

Hoping for an 'original' solution for the exhaust pipe.. :)

[Astro83]

okey then we only put the second and third place on the podium...

Mistakes is the way of the sport... It's about to get to the finish in first place, who cares about mistakes if you win... haha

[dimviii]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/q80/s720x720/547717_10151569502120754_1846191610_n.jpg

[Integrale]

Rumours on Panzerplatte that 2nd run would be cancelled due to heavy accident from one of the historic competitors? I read it on twitter.

[dimviii]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=wdTXsk_hVE8

[dimviii]

SS12 UPDATE ON THIERRY - The Belgian is en route to SS13.

[D1sCo]

Nice flight! but why do people go to the middle of the road to talk to the camera? :\

[dimviii]

Evans and Kubica playing 5th and 6th position overall

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Decent start to the rally by Neuville, keeping the VW's in sight...

Long way to go, and we all know JML, so a top 2 finish is a real possibility for Thierry.


Told you... JML always lets us down...

[Integrale]

He heard me. Fingers crossed.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=505808512831628&l=f83f64f160

[darkstar]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/1240489_10151539010376568_308540437_n.jpg

[Fast Eddie WRC]

TN and the log !!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BSb7bprCUAAK7gP.jpg:large

[dimviii]

look the pole
https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/q71/1240328_10151569524240754_372973983_n.jpg

[Integrale]

Panzerplatte cancelled now?

[jolle1982]

Bad news. Fatal accident on histomarathon at the panzerplatte. People speak about one death co of an triumph amd one death spectator :-(

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[Frostmourne]

If Sordo win this rally I will be extremely upset. He has done nothing in this season that justify winning this rally. Neuville is the one who really deserve to win this, given his pace and performance this season.

[dupanton]

Slowly Sideways car went off. 1 spectator and codriver died, drivers condition is unsure (not official, news from an other Slowly Sideways driver)

[Integrale]

Oh my. That's terrible news.

[Astro83]

why are wrc live not said anything about it?? terrible news tough...

[Bartek]

I think good first split for Neuville in SS13, just 5 second slower than in first pass

[dupanton]

why are wrc live not said anything about it?? terrible news tough...

I've not heard the news officially! I hope it is not true...

[dimviii]

Sordo no splits?

[dimviii]

Sordo no splits?

2 sec faster from Neuville at stage.New leader

[Blitzerflitzer]

Schwerer Unfall überschattet WM-Lauf*:: rallye-magazin.de (http://www.rallye-magazin.de/rallyes/wm/nachrichten/news-detail/d/2013/08/24/schwerer-unfall-ueberschattet-wm-lauf/index.html)

:(

[Astro83]

I've not heard the news officially! I hope it is not true...


Yea I read that you not heard that officially! but I dont think thats true because then wrc live should have said something and now they wish sordo good luck on panzerplatte so

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Byeeeeeeee Jari...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BSb_YA2CUAA5x1O.jpg:large

[dimviii]

https://sphotos-a-mxp.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/1146652_10151569539395754_1729434347_n.jpg

[Fast Eddie WRC]

A brilliant job by Thierry and Nicolas through SS13. He makes it though (despite damage) and only loses the lead by 0.8 seconds!

[NxOxT]

new leader now... no matter who wins will be nice... Latvala cannot handle his speed... its a good thing he has good backing and keeps his seat.

[EightGear]

RIP. :(

[NxOxT]

and thats the reason having an accident betting competition is tasteless... hope some of the less mentally privileged people in here get the point.

[Bartek]

Kubica faster than Hirvo, attack from Robert on this stage :)

[Integrale]

Tweet from Qatar WRT: "Confirmation that SS14 will be cancelled. That's good news for Thierry who goes into tomorrow with a fully re-prepped car 0.8s off the lead."

Distasteful, really.

[Astro83]

okey then it's confirmed! RIP, terrible!

Big fight tomorrow then!

[HaCo]

What a shame :( :( :(

[HaCo]

I agree with you, can't see happy faces right now.

[HaCo]

Tweet from Qatar WRT: "Confirmation that SS14 will be cancelled. That's good news for Thierry who goes into tomorrow with a fully re-prepped car 0.8s off the lead."

Distasteful, really.
I agree with you, can't see happy faces right now.

[Astro83]

Tweet from Qatar WRT: "Confirmation that SS14 will be cancelled. That's good news for Thierry who goes into tomorrow with a fully re-prepped car 0.8s off the lead."

Distasteful, really.


Are they running tomorrow you think after this? :/

[focus206]

Tweet from Qatar WRT: "Confirmation that SS14 will be cancelled. That's good news for Thierry who goes into tomorrow with a fully re-prepped car 0.8s off the lead."

Distasteful, really.
I hope they don't know what just happened :\
R.I.P

[dupanton]

Tweet from Qatar WRT: "Confirmation that SS14 will be cancelled. That's good news for Thierry who goes into tomorrow with a fully re-prepped car 0.8s off the lead."

Distasteful, really.

I hope they just haven't got the info about the accident yet...

[WRC1]

why they can not just do what they meant to do..... "slowly sideways" is the Name of the Programm...why they have to go flat out over "Gina" with 40 years old cars?? RIP :(

[EightGear]

They already removed the tweet.

[PLuto]

I agree with you, can't see happy faces right now.

Question is if they know the reason why stage is cancelled.

[Tom206wrc]

If Sordo win this rally I will be extremely upset. He has done nothing in this season that justify winning this rally. Neuville is the one who really deserve to win this, given his pace and performance this season.

What SILLY comment !!!! If he's in that position he didn't do nothing !!! :mad:

Anyway...R.I.P. to the "historic" codriver and spectator who died on Panzerplatte ;(

[HaCo]

Official WRC circus doesn't seem to care.

[gabryere]

the drivers ford are fast but to many accidents

[Integrale]

Rob De Vos (Triumph TR7 V8 ex- Tony Pond) went off the road on Panzerplatte 1. His co-driver Marcel Benning didn't survive the accident, and one spectator fatally hurt. Situation Rob De Vos is also not certain.

http://www.skylimitevents.com/mediamanager/showuserfilebig.php?id=1337667968

RIP

[Astro83]

Official WRC circus doesn't seem to care.


Not a word on wrc live...

[Integrale]

Seems like ADAC wants to cancel the rest of the rally too. Accident happened at the famous Gina jump.

Am Rande der Rallye-WM in Deutschland sind nach FOCUS-Online-Informationen zwei Menschen ums Leben gekommen. Das Unglück ereignete sich bei einem Oldtimer-Rennen. Die Veranstalter überlegen, die Deutschland-Rallye abzubrechen.

Während die Fahrer der Rallye-WM nahe Trier auf ihren nächsten Einsatz warteten, sind bei einer Veranstaltung auf dem Streckenabschnitt Gina zwei Menschen ums Leben gekommen. Der Fahrer eines historischen Rallye-Fahrzeugs verunglückte auf der Sprungschanze, an der Autos rund 40 Meter weit fliegen. Auch ein Zuschauer soll bei dem historischen Rennen im Rahmen der World-Rallye-Championships tödlich getroffen worden sein. Der ADAC will die Deutschlandrallye offenbar abbrechen.

[D1sCo]

Very dangerous to drive in such narrow streets :\ RIP.

[darkstar]

rallye magazin says that driver and codriver died, but nothing from a spectator. they hit some trees according to the article. normally they are quite good informed.

however, very sad!

[EightGear]

On rallye-magazin.de they now say both driver and co-driver died in the accident. No word about a spectator though. So sad. :(

[cosmin_sb]

according Citroen racing the SS14 is cancelled..Does anybody other news?