ADAC Rallye Deutschland 2013

[Mirek]

Even Latvala and Neuville faster than Sordo :mad:

Yeah, it was the car what made Loeb 10x champion... stop, something is wrong, he won 2 of 3 events this year as well, hmm? :)

[Fiat-131-Abarth]

This might be the rally where is over and out for Dani Sordo in the WRC.And for Mikko too

[vkangas]

Do you really think Citroen has somehow just lost it when certain retired bloke is able to win on his not-preferred surface... Cars are really close to each other.

EDIT: Slow as hell :)

[focus206]

Also Mads quite a bad time :\

[Juha_Koo]

Looks like for Mikko and Dani it's time to start searching the number of employment office...

[thuGG]

Where can I find the running order?

[kober]

This rally is 16-stage long, it's far from being over. Don't count your chickens ...

[kober]

Where can I find the running order?

Start list (w/running order) (http://www.wrc.com/results/2013/adac-rallye-deutschland/start-lists/)

[satukata]

Also Mads quite a bad time :\

mads only +6,9sec faster than prokop.. and only 13s faster than kosciuszko. mads need more speed..

[dupanton]

Andersson overheating problems. And went of at the same place as Novikov, almost hit him!

[Tom206wrc]

Kubica best of WRC2 for now ;)
But no Fiesta R5 drivers have their times yet :mark:

[Bartek]

Al Qassimi was in cafe?

[dupanton]

Slow splits for Paddon, probably a problem...

[Tom206wrc]

Evans fastest of the R5s ;) but still slower than Kubica :p :

[Fiat-131-Abarth]

After one stage we have a nice polish battle (even if the two have unequal cars)

[dupanton]

And Barrable stopped?

Edit: Bonnet open

Edit 2: went of and damaged the radiator

[Tom206wrc]

Wiegand ??? :confused:

[WRC1]

And for Mikko too

hopefully....

[dupanton]

Slow splits for Paddon, probably a problem...

No powersteering, broke after 2kms

[satukata]

Wiegand ??? :confused:
finished.. only time missing

[thuGG]

Wiegand ??? :confused:

13:02.8

[Tom206wrc]

But no Barrable though :s

[kober]

After one stage we have a nice polish battle (even if the two have unequal cars)It's hard to tell how fast DS3 RRC is, because nobody else is driving it on WRC circus. On the other hand, Kosciuszko is not exactly on the level (skill-wise) of Kubica.

[Tom206wrc]

In the Citroën Top Driver Chardonnet fastest so far ahead of Riedemann and Cronin ;)

[eestlane]

Kruuda retired 2 m after the podium. The R5 just gave up

[HaCo]

Ogier isn't happy about the setup. But way faster then the rest... Neuville and Latvala not happy...

And one illusion less: VW will win this quite easy I fear. Neuville best of the rest.

[pantealex]

And for Mikko too

FIA rule says that nr1 driver of manufacturer team must drive hole season, so Mikko will drive rest of year :)

[WRC1]

we might have a new world Champion on sunday....

[Fiat-131-Abarth]

FIA rule says that nr1 driver of manufacturer team must drive hole season, so Mikko will drive rest of year :) But most probably not next year.

[Mirek]

Kruuda retired 2 m after the podium. The R5 just gave upThat sucks. For Paddon as well but at least he's still running...Anyone knows what's with Barrable?

[thuGG]

It's hard to tell how fast DS3 RRC is, because nobody else is driving it on WRC circus. On the other hand, Kosciuszko is not exactly on the level (skill-wise) of Kubica.

I thought it's R5 > RRC > S2000, isn't it?

[Mirek]

I thought it's R5 > RRC > S2000, isn't it?Theoretically yes but the results of Fiesta R5 haven't been really impressive till now.

[Mirek]

DS3 R3 drivers much more impressive than WRC2 so far!

[rp]

I thought it's R5 > RRC > S2000, isn't it?

It´s RRC. Next year there will be also the Citroën DS3 R5...

[andyone]

Since 2001 Citroen has won everytime!
Pressure is on ...
u mean Sebastian Loeb Right?

[pantealex]

WRC-2:
1.Kubica RRC
2.Evans R5 +11,1
so Evans was 0,5s/km slower than Kubica in SS1

[dupanton]

u mean Sebastian Loeb Right?

No, Ogier won once ;)

[pantealex]

u mean Sebastian Loeb Right?

no, 2 other Citroen winner also between 2001-2012

[Tom206wrc]

Why did Jan Pieter Cracco changed for a Fiesta R2 :confused:

[Mirek]

To be part of JWRC.

[andyone]

sordo 15 seconds of the top driver. huh. not a good start in tarmak.

[noel157]

Sordo:

"“It's very important for me to show I can do it and, okay, that puts a little bit of pressure on me,” Sordo acknowledged. “I will try to do my best and if we do well then okay. If we do bad, then at least I know I did my best.

"This rally is always a difficult one, and I'm sure it will be close, but there’s no holding back or complex strategy. On the first stage everybody will be on full attack. And I’m going to do the same.”

[Francis44]

Sordo and Mikko might be done in Citroen. In the recent WRC article about line-up of drivers for next year Matton seems to not even consider them as a possibility.

[noel157]

Sordo and Mikko might be done in Citroen. In the recent WRC article about line-up of drivers for next year Matton seems to not even consider them as a possibility.

Looks like he has made his mind up and is just being diplomatic. Can't see Wilson holding onto Neuville if Matton comes hunting for him (with a big bag of notes.....)

[pantealex]

#104 Anders Amberg got 25 points penalty for not starting in J-WRC
Lack of money was the reason for his DNS

[pantealex]

Theoretically yes but the results of Fiesta R5 haven't been really impressive till now.

except Ketomaa in Finland

[Mirek]

except Ketomaa in FinlandI don't want to judge some car from one result of well known local specialist who would probably win anyway. The rest of results wasn't something special and my feelings from Ypres as well. Let's see what the future brings.

[HaCo]

DS3 R3 drivers much more impressive than WRC2 so far!
Riedeman only 2,3 seconds slower than Wallenwein: future German WRC-driver?

[PLuto]

Where can I find the running order?

ADAC Rallye Deutschland 2013 - Start order - leg 1 - Rally-Base (http://rally-base.com/2013/adac-rallye-deutschland-2013/start-list/?startTimeTypeId=353)

[Tom206wrc]

Not too bad start for Jordan Berfa(french junior driver, only 18)in the DS3 R1 cup(3rd overall after SS1) ;)

[ELPE]

P-G Andersson out of of the rally due to overheating problem. The engine is hopefully OK and they hope to start again tomorrow

[dimviii]

Suarez -5,3 from Tideman

[HaCo]

Ogier fastest on first split.

[dimviii]

http://img855.imageshack.us/img855/9254/wy59.jpg

[bluuford]

First cars are cutting a lot.. so, later cars loose a lot. And these stages are run only once.. so leaders make most of it.

[SubaruNorway]

Kruuda retired 2 m after the podium. The R5 just gave up

Since he drove it off the side of the startramp i just read from MM on twitter...

[OnlyRally]

Since he drove it off the side of the startramp i just read from MM on twitter...

omg

[Kalm]

"Karl had a freak incident falling of the start podium and damaging the car. Back tmrw."

....and the darwin award for retireing from a rally goes too... :) :)

[satukata]

12 m. Kosciuszko 12:23.4 +4:21.5 +5:00 ????

[arko5]

^^ System is wrong like always this year ...

[satukata]

^^ System is wrong like always this year ...

so no problem m. Kosciuszko?

[Mirek]

Paddon's car is probably fixed now.
so no problem m. Kosciuszko?No, he was happy in SS finish.

[Tom206wrc]

Cronin loses 20" again toward the end of stage(on Chardonnet time) :(

[Barreis]

Rally is 4 days long, so first thing is to finish (remember Meeke in Finland)...

[Tom206wrc]

Campedelli fastest of WRC3 on that SS2 ;)

[noel157]

Did Cronin have a problem on SS2 Tom? Still brakes or something else?

[Barreis]

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=570998926293106&set=a.336326543093680.77553.184151181644551&type=1&theater

[Tom206wrc]

Did Cronin have a problem on SS2 Tom? Still brakes or something else?
I don't know yet :mark:

[Tom206wrc]

Why 2 minutes penalty for Cracco Jr :confused:

[Jeppe]

Why 2 minutes penalty for Cracco Jr :confused:

Illegal recce car. 4wd car and only 2wd cars are allowed..

Edit: Art. 9.1 Appendix VIII Sporting Regulation

[Mirek]

Why 2 minutes penalty for Cracco Jr :confused: Did recce in a 4WD car which is not allowed in JWRC.

[dimviii]

Suarez and Lemes almost equal and-5 from Tideman

[ThomasS]

Paddon threw an alternator belt and lost his power steering early into stage 1
Had a spare and changed it before SS2 , 1.42.9 behind Kubica after SS2

[dimviii]

where is Jafry?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Decent start to the rally by Neuville, keeping the VW's in sight...

Long way to go, and we all know JML, so a top 2 finish is a real possibility for Thierry.

I cant believe Novikov though... out AGAIN.

[Kielder]

Novikov hasn't been the same since Giraudet's injury, or rather he has been the same as he used to be before being co-driven by Denis... ;)

[uranium]

Illegal recce car. 4wd car and only 2wd cars are allowed..

Edit: Art. 9.1 Appendix VIII Sporting Regulation

What did they use?

[eestlane]

Does somebody have any podium pics? If so please post a link :)

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Novik - off ! :(

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BSTDFObIUAEfE-y.jpg:large

[Andre Oliveira]

Novikov hasn't been the same since Giradet's injury, or rather he has been the same as he used to be before being co-driven by Denis... ;)

I think the same.

[stefanvv]

http://www.volkswagen-motorsport.com/fileadmin/user_upload/Fans_Friends/1%20WRC/Rallye/Deutschland/Berichterstattung/2013/20130822/Galerie_des_Tages/886x498px_vw-20130822-5004.jpg
http://www.volkswagen-motorsport.com/fileadmin/user_upload/Fans_Friends/1%20WRC/Rallye/Deutschland/Berichterstattung/2013/20130822/Galerie_des_Tages/886x498px_vw-20130822-5007.jpg
http://www.volkswagen-motorsport.com/fileadmin/user_upload/Fans_Friends/1%20WRC/Rallye/Deutschland/Berichterstattung/2013/20130822/Galerie_des_Tages/886x498px_vw-20130822-5006.jpg

[dimviii]

https://sphotos-a-ams.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/1003525_579927282049030_1164013042_n.jpg

[rallye-sport]

Day 1-> Photos Rallye d'Allemagne 2013 (http://www.rallye-sport.fr/photos-rallye-dallemagne-2013/)


http://www.rallye-sport.fr/wp-content/gallery/allemagne-2013/aurelien_vialatte_06_1.jpg



http://www.rallye-sport.fr/wp-content/gallery/allemagne-2013/aurelien_vialatte_02_1.jpg



http://www.rallye-sport.fr/wp-content/gallery/allemagne-2013/aurelien_vialatte_11_1.jpg

[Kielder]

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3724/9565747856_e0ed47a9f7_o.jpg

[Fast Eddie WRC]

WTF ??? :eek:

http://www.rallye-sport.fr/wp-content/gallery/allemagne-2013/aurelien_vialatte_19.jpg

[EightGear]

Novikoff.... :(

[stefanvv]

https://sphotos-a-ams.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/1003525_579927282049030_1164013042_n.jpg

Did Al Ketbi said these light pods are developed in Dubai or something?

[eestlane]

Iz nice!

[eestlane]

WTF ??? :eek:

http://www.rallye-sport.fr/wp-content/gallery/allemagne-2013/aurelien_vialatte_19.jpg

Iz Nice!

[dimviii]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=NhbGFQh_0eo

[dupanton]

What did they use?

I know his dad has an ex-Prodrive Mini recce car, maybe that one?

[dimviii]

I know his dad has an ex-Prodrive Mini recce car, maybe that one?

yes that one
https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/1173869_10201061876722298_578261856_n.jpg

[NikoP]

http://nikop.kuvat.fi/kuvat/2013/ADAC+Rallye+Deutschland/_MG_2776+copy.jpg/_img900.jpg

http://nikop.kuvat.fi/kuvat/2013/ADAC+Rallye+Deutschland/_MG_3494+copy.jpg/_img900.jpg

Photos from Blankenheim now online: ADAC Rallye Deutschland (http://nikop.kuvat.fi/kuvat/2013/ADAC+Rallye+Deutschland/)

[dimviii]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/996571_622763671101160_156025462_n.jpghttps://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/532107_622764381101089_245629481_n.jpghttps://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/1146547_622764851101042_1264969403_n.jpg

more
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.622763461101181.1073741835.162025460508319&type=3

[stefanvv]

Stages 1-2 online - World Rally Championship - Video

Pretty stupid mistake by Novikov (http://www.wrc.com/video/)

[dimviii]

stage1-2 video with Novikoffs off
World Rally Championship - Video (http://www.wrc.com/video/)

[Rallying UK]

RALLYE DEUTSCHLAND: This interactive image tells the story of Leg One of Rallye Deutschland 2013. Have a look around it! Rallye Deutschland 2013: Leg One Wrap - ThingLink (http://bit.ly/150l0pw)

[Gard]

Yes, they have but it's still not a motivation for them to spend their time in recce cars.So it's your job, much more exiting?

[tommeke_B]

Did the 2 stages today. Not the best place on SS1, very hard to access the stages in a normal spot as organizers try to gather spectators like sheeps. We tried a lot of options, but the stage didn't look so nice. So our place on first stage wasn't too good, the place was too fast, too easy to take it flat out. On the second place we switched our place during the passing of tourist drivers. First place was a fast right one with big cut (see photo) before heavy braking before a junction left. Very spectacular for the "big" cars. For the DS3's, Fiesta's, R1 cars etc, we went to another place a few hundred meters from the other place. A fast right one with cut/bump before a T-right, also very nice braking. What was most impressive for me today, was the stability of the VW Polo's. It looks like the Polo WRC's are glued on the tarmac, really crazy (but it doesn't make it more spectacular). The DS3 WRC for example is moving a lot more, already tending to lift a wheel when there's some small bump. Also very nice spectacle from the DS3's and Fiesta R2's, you see they really go for it (unlike the tourist drivers in better machinery).

A quick photo of the not so surprising leader...
https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/1185533_699890656689490_1297142383_n.jpg

We drove SS2 and seen practically half of SS1, and I can say today's stages were not "WRC-worthy" in my opinion. More and most likely better action tomorrow. ;)

[dimviii]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=nS7mdVJte8k

[gianni123]

WRC Rally Germany - 2013 (Day 1)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rn5b8rawDA

[leighton323]

I remember Mirek saying last year before the issues at GB and Finland about BRR cars being very reliable as they are only one step (virtually) below the Works Skoda Motorsport cars, and that he could only recall one reliability issue previously. Well what the hell has happened since then! I know BRR cars are generally very good but it must be very frustrating for Paddon paying so much money for events like this to occur coupled with Wales GB and Finland from last year which cost him dearly.

Oh and go Sordo, Mads, Thierry and Jari-Matti!! :bounce: :D

[Hartusvuori]

http://rallirinki.kuvat.fi/kuvat/ADAC%20Rallye%20Deutschland%202013/_MG_0031.JPG?img=small
http://rallirinki.kuvat.fi/kuvat/ADAC%20Rallye%20Deutschland%202013/_MG_9687.JPG?img=small

An update on my friend's gallery: ADAC Rallye Deutschland 2013 (http://rallirinki.kuvat.fi/kuvat/ADAC+Rallye+Deutschland+2013/)

We did SS1 yesterday at the downhill section with several bends with cuts, same as is shown on the comparison video Ogier & Neuville dimvii posted here. We had almost the same spot as well, those guys stood next to us. We hadn't recced Blankenheim so we were lucky to find even that much. It was technical bit, but not very inspiring in the end. First we wondered where Novikov is, then we saw Paddon coming slowly and Evans behind. Paddon made way at the bottom of the hill, Evans virtually lost no time with that. I must say I didn't know nationals were running yesterday, so that was nice surprise. We moved a little to a place with deeper cut, WRCs must've cut two car widths or more. It was all Opel Adam from there on, but those were nice to watch.

Now were soon off to SS3. This schedule with two days with two stages isn't really the most optimal. It was seen on Blankenheim too, only a few spectators in my opinion.

[Toyoda]

I remember Mirek saying last year before the issues at GB and Finland about BRR cars being very reliable as they are only one step (virtually) below the Works Skoda Motorsport cars, and that he could only recall one reliability issue previously. Well what the hell has happened since then! I know BRR cars are generally very good but it must be very frustrating for Paddon paying so much money for events like this to occur coupled with Wales GB and Finland from last year which cost him dearly.

Oh and go Sordo, Mads, Thierry and Jari-Matti!! :bounce: :D

Super frustrating for a kiwi fan, i really think he could have taken it to Kubica in this rally!

[dimviii]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ymC2BxDTyEU

[dimviii]

nice cut from Kubica at the end

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x13idlk_citroen-wrc-2013-rallye-d-allemagne-jour-1_auto

[WUff1]

Well, BRR cars are still very reliable, as Baumschlager prooves on every Rally he´s doing himself. In my opinion it´s really only bad luck with Paddon´s car.

[dimviii]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=yFoOhfm-cVg

[irish_tiger]

Brake issues on Ss1 and same on SS 2 plus a puncture near the end of the stage ...

[irish_tiger]

Cronin had Brake problems on the 2 stages and also a puncture near the end of SS 2 ....

[rallysupportnl]

Video Day 1 WRC ADAC Rallye Deutschland 2013


http://youtu.be/yFoOhfm-cVg

[Mirek]

Super frustrating for a kiwi fan, i really think he could have taken it to Kubica in this rally!

He had problem in SS1. In SS2 his car was ok but he was slower than both Kubica and Evans. Of course he has old-style S2000 car but still he was only a fraction faster than Wiegand who is not the very top driver. Now there are 14 more stages to go. Let's see.

His technical issues are really shame. In last couple of months BRR did plenty of events without problems with other drivers.

[Toyoda]

He had problem in SS1. In SS2 his car was ok but he was slower than both Kubica and Evans. Of course he has old-style S2000 car but still he was only a fraction faster than Wiegand who is not the very top driver. Now there are 14 more stages to go. Let's see.

His technical issues are really shame. In last couple of months BRR did plenty of events without problems with other drivers.

Is Wiegand in the factory Skoda though?

[Mirek]

Is Wiegand in the factory Skoda though?

No, it's Juka Motorsport car as usually for him. Only in ERC Barum Rally he will use works car. In fact the car he is using now is very old, originally it was build in 2009 but of course it was upgraded later several times. Juka is very good team as well.

[Hartusvuori]

Tom says puncture for Ogier.

[ThomasS]

Super frustrating for a kiwi fan, i really think he could have taken it to Kubica in this rally!

It certainly is and I agree, although it is only his 6 tarmac rally and gravel is his preferred surface. He his surprisingly fast on tarmac all the same. His times in France and Spain last year where solid.

I could be wrong but I would expect that the extra torque of a turbo car especially advantageous out all this junctions , no ? Thoughts? Or is Germany more fast and flowing.

[Integrale]

Hoping the three top drivers stay on the road from now on.. Let's have an oldschool battle!

[Mirek]

Tom says puncture for Ogier.

He is loosing a lot!

[Miika]

Thierry, now or.. later.

[paddocknews]

“Sometimes there is justice in the sport,”

[Hartusvuori]

I have picture of Ogier chased by Latvala on my Twitter, if someone could post it here.

[Juha_Koo]

I have picture of Ogier chased by Latvala on my Twitter, if someone could post it here.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BSV1ZY9CQAIPMm4.jpg:large

[MikeD]

Come on Neuville .... this is your big chance for your breakthrough!

[Juha_Koo]

"Ummm... I don't know, now I will go for it, I guess!"
-T. Neuville :up:

[satukata]

What happened to ogier?

[focus206]

wow, that's a twist :)

[stefanvv]

(8 - Ogier Sébastien / Ingrassia Julien): I have just missed a brake point and went straight into the vineyard and damaged front of the car.

[EightGear]

Ostberg is quite hopeless really...

Edit: He hit something.

[sete]

Fingers crossed for Neuville and for Ford too!!Rally Gods please let him win!!

[focus206]

Nice first split by Andersson, hope for a trouble-free day for him :)

[satukata]

(8 - Ogier Sébastien / Ingrassia Julien): I have just missed a brake point and went straight into the vineyard and damaged front of the car.
where you can read comments? i know rallyradio..

[jonkka]

(8 - Ogier Sébastien / Ingrassia Julien): I have just missed a brake point and went straight into the vineyard and damaged front of the car.

So it isn't just a puncture? If so, will he lose more?

[stefanvv]

where you can read comments? i know rallyradio..

ADAC Rallye Deutschland 2013 - Results - Rally-Base (http://rally-base.com/2013/adac-rallye-deutschland-2013/)

[Integrale]

This is actually quite exciting for Thierry. There's a difference between driving 'just enough' to capture 2nd place, and going 'all out' for 1st. I'm really looking forward now. Hope he keeps it out of the trees and ditches.

[stefanvv]

So it isn't just a puncture? If so, will he lose more?

Latvala says he has broken the suspension

[satukata]

Is there any Live tv in this rally?

[T.Maanteiden kuningas]

EDIT: I was really late, sorry.

here:
ADAC Rallye Deutschland 2013 - Results - Rally-Base (http://rally-base.com/2013/adac-rallye-deutschland-2013/)

[mousti]

Nice first split by Andersson, hope for a trouble-free day for him :)

And stopped...

[satukata]

Thanks stefanvv

[Kalm]

Nice first split by Andersson, hope for a trouble-free day for him :)

PG stopped on stage... :(

atleast we got a nice battle for the win now, Jari for his first win on tarmac, and Neuville / Sordo for first win, so all of them should have some motivation... hoping they all can keep it clean !

[focus206]

oh dear, I shouldn't have said that :\

[Mirek]

This is actually quite exciting for Thierry. There's a difference between driving 'just enough' to capture 2nd place, and going 'all out' for 1st. I'm really looking forward now. Hope he keeps it out of the trees and ditches.

In 2011 Thierry managed to survive several incredibly tight battles in IRC. In Sanremo he won by 1,5 seconds ahead of Mikkelsen. In Mecsek he lost by 0,8 seconds to Kopecký. Both was after a full-event fight. I think he can stand the pressure but of course a victory in WRC is still something more.

[dimviii]

Novikov very slow,maybe problem?

[dimviii]

Evans faster than Kubica at last split

[Integrale]

In 2011 Thierry managed to survive several incredibly tight battles in IRC. In Sanremo he won by 1,5 seconds ahead of Mikkelsen. In Mecsek he lost by 0,8 seconds to Kopecký. Both was after a full-event fight. I think he can stand the pressure but of course a victory in WRC is still something more.
Yes, but with all due respect, mister Latvala is something else! :) According to rally radio Thierry seems fully in control, "almost scary how focused he looks".. He's been an overperforming underdog up till now, but now there's no more excuses. His raw pace should be faster than Latvala's, I think.

Now he must show it.

[dimviii]

Novikov very slow,maybe problem?

[SS3] Evgeny Novikov (Ford) "We took soft tyres, maybe it was not a best choice. Quite slippery, we try to find our rhythm."

[dimviii]

. He's been an overperforming underdog up till now, but now there's no more excuses. His raw pace should be faster than Latvala's, I think.

Now he must show it.

No Latvala has to proove that at 10 years at wrc can be faster than a 1,5 year newbie.

[Bartek]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/1175094_10151565702886960_868830686_n.jpg

Julian Porter photo

[dimviii]

Paddon faster at wrc2

[Mirek]

That looks like a serious problem for Ogier.

[Bartek]

From Julian Porter: Ogier is on the move towards stage 4, the front left suspension is now held together with ratchet straps!

[dimviii]

That looks like a serious problem for Ogier.

and 2 stages without service to fix it.

[stefanvv]

Paddon faster at wrc2

and that running down the order

[dimviii]

From Julian Porter: Ogier is on the move towards stage 4, the front left suspension is now held together with ratchet straps!

seems that rally finished for a good result.

[Integrale]

From Julian Porter: Ogier is on the move towards stage 4, the front left suspension is now held together with ratchet straps!
You'd be surprised how strong ratchet straps are :)

[ThomasS]

Paddon faster at wrc2
6th fastest over all SS3

Set up in the front too soft so room to improve, nice work.

He has hard compounds on so this is his chance to capitalise.

[dimviii]

and that running down the order

but we dont know if he was on right tyres


edit Thanks ThomasS

[dimviii]

Chardonet faster,but we dont know Cambedellis time

[EightGear]

Ogier keeps dropping time, already 32.3 seconds to Neuville on the first split.

[dimviii]

Neuville -32 at first split from Ogier.
the end..

[ThomasS]

but we dont know if he was on right tyres


edit Thanks ThomasS

SS3 (22.54km) Paddon 0.0, Evans +0.7, Kubica +2.1 "wasn't too bad, made some changes last night, bit softer in the front"

[rage82]

And Neuville is faster than Latvalla again. The battle for 1-st place is on!

[dimviii]

nice split for Sordo,lets see

[Mirek]

Why is Brynildsen so slow all the time? It can't be just tyres...

[dimviii]

Suarez 0,2 faster from Tideman at ss3.Nice dogfight

[dimviii]

[SS4] Sebastien Ogier (Volkswagen) - Stopped, possibly to let Latvala pass

[stefanvv]

[SS4] Sebastien Ogier (Volkswagen) - Stopped, possibly to let Latvala pass

Looks like he's not continuing

[rage82]

Ogier maybe retiring form today's stages according JML

[jonkka]

This means JML now has best road position...

...for one stage...

[VFTS]

Why is Brynildsen so slow all the time? It can't be just tyres...

In Finland his R5 was totally crap, it was bad all the rally. Overheating...

Yesterday he catched a Mitsubishi on ss1 who didnt let him through, on ss2 the throttle locked and he almost went really bad off. He managed to save the car, but lost acouple of minutes.

Today I dont know. But tarmac is not his best surface.

[dimviii]

[SS4] Thierry Neuville "I think his (Ogier) suspension broke. We had to slow down a little bit, I was surprised to see the car in the middle of the road, particularly after a jump. I was a little bit in panic but it is okay you can pass. I have to get use to the car, I don't feel comfortable yet."

[Micke_VOC]

PG crashed at SS3, later Kremer off on same place... right over crest with barrier on the outside

[focus206]

Finally Sordo with a good time, Mikko not too bad... Mads still slow instead, he said he didn't damage the car on SS3...

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BSV9m3zCAAIon9C.jpg

[Tinke1979]

PG crashed at SS3, later Kremer off on same place... right over crest with barrier on the outside


No barrier anymore after Kremer... :D

[dimviii]

http://www.wrc.com/news/660/130823_bus.jpg

[jonkka]

Ogier has taken my Makita?! :eek:

[MikeD]

No offence but PG is not WRC material.

[makinen_fan]

That's where Ogier broke the suspension

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BSWEQo2IMAAv_8o.jpg

[Co-driven]

Novikov hasn't been the same since Giraudet's injury, or rather he has been the same as he used to be before being co-driven by Denis... ;)

Why isn't Giraudet working as Novikov's gravel crew? They aren't working together anymore?

[ThomasS]

Paddon fastest WRC-2 through SS4, 7th fastest overall , starting to get damp though so its a lottery with tyres.

[dimviii]

Paddon again 3 sec faster from Kubica-Evans

[makinen_fan]

Paddon again 3 sec faster from Kubica-Evans

Do they all have same tyres?

[nr7wave]

Brynildsen car is really crap! Now he has broken diff and only fwd. This explains his bad times today.
The R5 is not ready for competition, it would seem...

[Mirek]

Do they all have same tyres?

No

[dimviii]

Do they all have same tyres?

no Paddon is on hards while others at softs.After service and with right? tyre choices we will see clearer.

[dimviii]

Suarez???..

[dimviii]

Sordo faster at 1st split

[Francis44]

Brynildsen car is really crap! Now he has broken diff and only fwd. This explains his bad times today.
The R5 is not ready for competition, it would seem...

Driving it off the start ramp shouldn't have helped the car either.

[dimviii]

Suarez???..

+4,5 minutes from Tideman.

[Mirek]

Driving it off the start ramp shouldn't have helped the car either.

That was Kruuda, not Brynildsen...

[dimviii]

Driving it off the start ramp shouldn't have helped the car either.

think was Kruudas fiesta that fell from the ramp?

[T.Maanteiden kuningas]

HANAAA JARI-MATTI........max attack!!

[Jordib]

+4,5 minutes from Tideman.

Off the road for 'Cohete' Suarez. But it seems that he can continue.

[Francis44]

That was Kruuda, not Brynildsen...

Oops!

[Miika]

Come on Thierry!

[Mirek]

Another two seconds :)

[Micke_VOC]

Suarez???..

Had a off i heard... but not sure yet...
Incredible splits from PT, Suarez and Lemes... 1,1 s between them at split 4 SS4.

[dimviii]

Now Neuville 2 sec behind overall from Latvala.

[EightGear]

Hirvonen isn't doing too bad either. Big gap after the top 4 though.

[jonkka]

Interestingly, Sordo isn't much faster than Mikko though one would expect so...

[ThomasS]

SS4 (22.79km) Paddon 0.0, Kubica +3.2, Evans +3.3 "we started to get this light rain..inconsistent grip..you've got to be really careful"

[mousti]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/1149279_10151781154202829_1008717068_o.jpg

Ogier...

[dimviii]

https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/1146473_10151781154202829_1008717068_n.jpg

[dimviii]

https://sphotos-b-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/q71/s720x720/1234641_555424701183369_20808124_n.jpg

[Integrale]

SS3 neutralized?

[Eli]

Interestingly, Sordo isn't much faster than Mikko though one would expect so... Sordo thought there would be more rain, if you saw the first split then you probably saw he was fastest but the rain or lack of it, damaged his time...

[Integrale]

Did I hear that right in the end-of-stage interview with Al Qassimi?

"Very hard, there are no arrows on the stage to show which way to go. So you really have to listen to the notes."

Wow.. I don't even have words for that.

[r199]

stage got neutraliced after car 41, now national (200+ nbrs) are running on the stage and historics are riding to.

(rumors are the stage is done for the WRC cars today) not shure richt now waiting for more info (from a marchall on stage3 my dad or becks asked her info to)

info back from Becks is: neutral and rerout to next one,

[Mirek]

Paddon fastest again, even on damp surface.

[Integrale]

Ogier starts again tomorrow morning, according to VW Motorsport site.

"Things are not going at all to plan for Latvala’s team-mate Sébastien Ogier after leaving the road on Friday’s opening stage: the Frenchman was forced to pull to side of the road in his damaged #8 Polo R WRC. The car will have to wait until Saturday to rejoin the race under Rally2 conditions."

Is this only for the 3 powerstage points at the end of the rally? Is it actually possible for him to also skip the Saturday stages, and just go all out on the last one on Sunday?

[Mirek]

There is much more to play for when he can win stages on VW home ground - even without points.

[noel157]

Ogier's retirement should leave things quite interesting. A better car with a lesser asphalt driver against a lesser car with a better asphalt driver.....if that makes sense. Hopefully they can both keep it between the vines.

[6789]

Very interesting start to the rally, I am really encouraged by Paddon's times. Hopefully he can keep it up and make the podium of WRC2

[noel157]

Wheel was pushed quite far back:

http://d3j5vwomefv46c.cloudfront.net/photos/large/802592996.jpg

[dupanton]

Also retirement for Riedemann-Vanneste :(

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/543151_709356662424450_646754325_n.jpg

They went of after a jump but should restart tomorrow

[tfp]

I know it's early days, very early, but how much if an embarrassment would it be to jml and sordo if Thierry won. Not to mention the other front runners.

[rallye-sport]

SS1 Update -> Photos Rallye d'Allemagne 2013 (http://www.rallye-sport.fr/photos-rallye-dallemagne-2013/)


http://www.rallye-sport.fr/wp-content/gallery/allemagne-2013/aurelien_vialatte_12_2.jpg



http://www.rallye-sport.fr/wp-content/gallery/allemagne-2013/aurelien_vialatte_21.jpg



http://www.rallye-sport.fr/wp-content/gallery/allemagne-2013/aurelien_vialatte_19_0.jpg



http://www.rallye-sport.fr/wp-content/gallery/allemagne-2013/aurelien_vialatte_05_2.jpg

[stefanvv]

I know it's early days, very early, but how much if an embarrassment would it be to jml and sordo if Thierry won. Not to mention the other front runners.

I thing he already embarrased them (except Latvala) few Rallyes from now

[Integrale]

What I'm missing is a benchmark for Neuville, as he's the only competitive Ford-driver at the moment on asphalt. Östberg, Novikov, Al-Attiyah and Kosciuszko are hardly a match. In Finland at least Östberg kept him honest, but now there is not really a way of valuing his drive in comparison to Latvala and Sordo. Because I do believe the Citroën and especially the Polo are a tad better right now in Germany. I hope he's not over-driving.

Anyway, Panzerplatte will decide all I guess.

[Doon]

Not really surprised that Sordo hasn't shown his 'lightning' tarmac pace that he's known for. Citroen should cut their losses, and put Meeke in the No 2 car for the remaining round to build on his experience for next season.

[dimviii]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/q71/s720x720/1238370_10151537242221568_1313512918_n.jpg

[Astro83]

Intresting that PG "isnt wrc material"...

He has never got a proper car and if he did, he would be fast, top 6 easy... Proton was not exactly a good and a reliebal car an AT does not have so good cars either what it seems so...

[Integrale]

http://pic.twitter.com/cEXibbpuTm

A still from Ogier's little detour

[andyone]

Did I hear that right in the end-of-stage interview with Al Qassimi?

"Very hard, there are no arrows on the stage to show which way to go. So you really have to listen to the notes."

Wow.. I don't even have words for that.
hes probably confusing it with Richard burn simulator.. there are arows to show you

[mousti]

I guess Neuville is still driving without splits? For the whole year that is and it does good for him I think.

[Doon]

Intresting that PG "isnt wrc material"...

He has never got a proper car and if he did, he would be fast, top 6 easy... Proton was not exactly a good and a reliebal car an AT does not have so good cars either what it seems so...



He's just isn't fast enough i'm afraid to say.

[Rallyper]

at first: How can Neuville embarass the other top drivers when he has proved himself to be as fast as them? Neuville has come to the top to stay, as long as he´s not doing a big crash. Then it could be different.

PG not as fast? He is fast but not consistent. Compare to Novikov, they seem to do about the same errors but Novikov has works car PG has to fight with a less good car and still doing times (well this time splits... eh split...) which is as fast as top drivers.

[dimviii]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=zYTmAEs7Y0Q

[Sulland]

How much off the Michelins are DMack on asphalt pr km?
Seems like they all are struggling to get times out of them in Germany.

[cali]

Intresting that PG "isnt wrc material"...

He has never got a proper car and if he did, he would be fast, top 6 easy... Proton was not exactly a good and a reliebal car an AT does not have so good cars either what it seems so...

He has the ability to break any car no matter what you give him to drive competitively. Saw him once in Sweden when new 1.6 WRC cars were introduced - he was cutting every single snowbank (light snow that year as it was constantly snowing more during the event), both front corners destroyed. Few stages later he rolled ... that tells you everything about PG.

Spectacular to watch for sure but ....

[dimviii]

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3704/9574138733_ede4c7687f_o.jpghttp://farm6.staticflickr.com/5513/9575444990_b8102e41d2_o.jpghttp://farm6.staticflickr.com/5321/9572650557_98f919ca8c_o.jpg

[dimviii]

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5472/9575445216_08161039fd_o.jpghttp://farm6.staticflickr.com/5472/9575445598_576d093e6c_o.jpghttp://farm8.staticflickr.com/7438/9575445434_cf3320d6bc_o.jpg

[Rallying UK]

OGIER: Compilation of the photographs that tell the story of telling Sébastien Ogier's unfortunate end to Rallye Deutschland 2013:
Rallying UK | Photographs telling the story of how Sébastien... (http://bit.ly/19Op7gT)

[Rallyper]

He has the ability to break any car no matter what you give him to drive competitively. Saw him once in Sweden when new 1.6 WRC cars were introduced - he was cutting every single snowbank (light snow that year as it was constantly snowing more during the event), both front corners destroyed. Few stages later he rolled ... that tells you everything about PG.

Spectacular to watch for sure but ....

Cutting corner in snowbanks isn´t anything sensational when you are swedish rallydriver. But he cut one corner on first day too heavy and rolled, that´s true. After that in a relaxed mode, I remember he did very proper stage times during the rally, except for one or two 360´s...

[Integrale]

hes probably confusing it with Richard burn simulator.. there are arows to show you

I know what he means, these little arrows that are on some T-sections. Like these:

http://www.rallye-sport.fr/wp-content/gallery/allemagne-2013/aurelien_vialatte_05_1.jpg

So who's in for some serious Al-Qassimi trolling? A big shout to all the people on the stages this afternoon: just turn all the arrows the other way around when he's next up. This is the theme music: Entry Of The Gladiators - Julius Fucik - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_B0CyOAO8y0)

[dimviii]

Οgiers polo ready for Saturday
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BSW1KcyIgAADZ8-.jpg:large

[cali]

Cutting corner in snowbanks isn´t anything sensational when you are swedish rallydriver. But he cut one corner on first day too heavy and rolled, that´s true. After that in a relaxed mode, I remember he did very proper stage times during the rally, except for one or two 360´s...

You got me all wrong and I come from one of "nordic" countries as well, I know what snow rallies are and how people suppose to drive on these conditions.
He was until by that roll most impressing driver to watch, but all my friends with me told that this guy is going to end up on the roof soon. Which did happen sooner than I thought. That actually tells me everything about PG's career. Nuff said.

[Rallyper]

He should be test driver at Huyndai then, proving which parts don´t break down and which are during his handling...

[Integrale]

Latvala is 7.6 sec faster than during first pass. I would have thought he'd be slower, with the dirt on the road..

[stefanvv]

http://www.volkswagen-motorsport.com/fileadmin/user_upload/Fans_Friends/1%20WRC/Rallye/Deutschland/Berichterstattung/2013/20130823/Galerie_des_Tages/886x498px_vw-20130823-5136.jpg
http://www.volkswagen-motorsport.com/fileadmin/user_upload/Fans_Friends/1%20WRC/Rallye/Deutschland/Berichterstattung/2013/20130823/Galerie_des_Tages/886x498px_vw-20130823-5138.jpg
http://www.volkswagen-motorsport.com/fileadmin/user_upload/Fans_Friends/1%20WRC/Rallye/Deutschland/Berichterstattung/2013/20130823/Galerie_des_Tages/886x498px_vw-20130823-5134.jpg

[kober]

So, will Neuville win all the afternoon runs today?

PS. Kosciuszko's out for the rest of the day. Might return tomorrow.

[6789]

Nothing is certain, hoping for a good battle up at the top.

Is wrc live cutting in and out for anyone else?

[kober]

Is wrc live cutting in and out for anyone else?No, no issues with WRC live. Other than their crappy music choices :)

[dimviii]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/q71/1239897_570927759635328_312448209_n.jpg

[rage82]

Latvala is 7.6 sec faster than during first pass. I would have thought he'd be slower, with the dirt on the road..

He was with softs in the morning I think, and now he have made the proper tyre choice- hard ones.
PS: Latavala has hit something

[dimviii]

Neuvilles splits?

[rage82]

0.4 quicker in the end

[dimviii]

Sordo with good splits.

[Integrale]

And what does he say in his German interview.. 'Hab spaB gemacht.' I had fun :)

Latvala took a hit there in a dip?