Amanda Knox loses appeal if found guilty may be extadited to Italy...............

[Spafranco]

I would like your opinions on what you think about the Amanda Know girl/student from Seattle who with her boyfriend was charged with murder sentenced to life (sic) but was released
having served four years. Now the acquittal has been overturned.
Italian law allows for a review of the case by the prosecution and so the Italian Supreme court granted the motion to review, and if found that she and her boyfriend should serve the first sentence she may be extradited to Italy.
Since we have so many British people that post I wonder what the sentiment in GB is and is she looked upon as guilty by the general public?

[Spafranco]

I made a mess of the title. It should in fact state that the acquittal was overturned, not an appeal lost.
Sorry :)

[D-Type]

It's difficult as the Law in Italy works so differently from in Britain. I think in Italy there is a preliminary [public] enquiry to attempt to establish the facts followed by the main court prosecution and then by the appeals process.

As I understand it (and I have no specialist knowledge) in Britain, the enquiries are conducted by the police and there are restrictions on what the press may report or say - principally they cannot make any accusations. Once the police make an arrest there is a preliminary hearing in front of a judge where they charge the accused, effectively confirming to the court that they have a prosecution case without making more public than necessary. Following the case the accused is 'Remanded in custody' from which they can be bailed. Then there is the main court case, with a jury, where prosecution and defence call witnesses etc, cross examine each other's witnesses and all the courtroom drama. At this stage they establish [publicly] the facts of the case. If the jury can be convinced that the accused is guilty 'beyond reasonable doubt' then they find the accused 'guilty' and the judge passes sentence. If the case cannot be proved to the jury, ie by a vote of 10 to 12, then the accused is found 'not guilty'. This is often described as 'innocent until proved guilty'
Appeals then follow. An appeal against the severity of the sentence is the most common. Less common is an appeal on the grounds of mistrial: evidence illegally obtained, the court case not conducted strictly in accordance with the rules and that sort of thing. The only grounds for a complete retrial are when new evidence has been found - this can be either prosecution evidence or defence evidence. There are strict controls on what the press may report at each stage. before the case goes to trial they may not make any accusations. During the trial they can only report what is said in court and are not permitted to speculate. After the verdict is reached, reporting restrictions are lifted butthe controls relating to making accusations still apply.

I know less about the Italian system than I do about the British one. The preliminary process appears to be far more drawn out and public than in Britain with the press and TV covering everything. I think that many of the facts are established at this stage - at least those that aren't in dispute. Then the main court case follows. I believe the fundamental legal principle is different - the preliminary hearing has established the main facts and it is up to the defence to disprove them. Commonly described as 'Guilty until proved innocent'. Then come the appeals and the grounds are very different from British practice. I also get the impression that the restrictions on the press and TV are less strict than in Britain.

In general, under either system the definitely guilty go to jail and the definitely innocent walk free. But it's never so black and white and the interpretation of the shades of grey between the extremes is what provides lawyers in either country with such a lucrative business.

In this particular case it all hinges on how the different court systems view forensic evidence, what the accused say and what other witnesses say. Personally, I think they were both involved and should both be found guilty regardless of who actually did it. But with the different way the law and the reporting restrictions work, it is hard to separate 'fact' from 'supposition'.

[Dave B]

I couldn't give a shiny shi... but for some reason the British media are obsessed with Knox as they have decided on our behalf that she is, apparently, "foxy". :s

[henners88]

I couldn't give a shiny shi... but for some reason the British media are obsessed with Knox as they have decided on our behalf that she is, apparently, "foxy". :s
I was thinking the same thing. I couldn't give a toss what happens to this Knox girl and think the dead girls family have been through enough already. The trial was totally messed up from beginning to end and totally made a mockery of the whole Italian legal system. I thought the Senna trial took some beating in this regard. Just find an outcome and keep her out of our news.

[D-Type]

The Senna trial was another strange [to us] aspect of the Italian legal system. An Italian explained to me that if a death is unnatural then in principle somebody has to be to blame. Hence the number of dead drivers who are taken to hospital and 'die' there so that the circuit or race organisers can't be found responsible. That's why in 1971 Lotus entered the Italian GP as 'World Wide Racing' and ran the turbine car to avoid being linked to Rindt's death or having the cars impounded.

[Spafranco]

I couldn't give a shiny shi... but for some reason the British media are obsessed with Knox as they have decided on our behalf that she is, apparently, "foxy". :s

It is so strange to me that given a persons appearance or "looks" one can almost determine the outcome of a case that is pretty screwed up. The press focus is on the "lovely" Miss Knox while the unfortunate girl from the UK is dead and no voice speaking for her.
If the Italians decide she (Knox) has to serve her time there is no way the US will comply with a request to extradite.

Is there double jeopardy in Italy? Anyone know?

[Dave B]

It is so strange to me that given a persons appearance or "looks" one can almost determine the outcome of a case that is pretty screwed up. The press focus is on the "lovely" Miss Knox while the unfortunate girl from the UK is dead and no voice speaking for her.
Parts of our media love to play that game. If you're the landlord of a murdered woman and you happen to have an eccentric look, you're damned as a "weirdo" and presumed to be guilty of something; if you're a photogenic young woman it surely stands to reason that you wouldn't hurt a fly. No wonder they don't want regulation. :s

[BDunnell]

The Senna trial was another strange [to us] aspect of the Italian legal system. An Italian explained to me that if a death is unnatural then in principle somebody has to be to blame. Hence the number of dead drivers who are taken to hospital and 'die' there so that the circuit or race organisers can't be found responsible. That's why in 1971 Lotus entered the Italian GP as 'World Wide Racing' and ran the turbine car to avoid being linked to Rindt's death or having the cars impounded.

There are certain European countries in which I would, were I to find myself in trouble, have confidence in the standards of the relevant authorities to deal with the matter sensibly and fairly. Italy is not one of them.

[Spafranco]

Parts of our media love to play that game. If you're the landlord of a murdered woman and you happen to have an eccentric look, you're damned as a "weirdo" and presumed to be guilty of something; if you're a photogenic young woman it surely stands to reason that you wouldn't hurt a fly. No wonder they don't want regulation. :s

There was a study here using eight controls. Handsome/Pretty, Ordinary/Plain, Educated/Uneducated and Black/White.

It is not difficult to imagine where the results tended to focus. In some cases those with very impressive IQ's were lost to a lesser qualified person based upon appearance.
Sad.

[Mintexmemory]

Parts of our media love to play that game..... if you're a photogenic young woman it surely stands to reason that you wouldn't hurt a fly. No wonder they don't want regulation. :s
Actually the Brit tabloid media coverage wasn't peddling the 'photogenic -wouldn't hurt a fly' line. It was more along the lines of 'the attractive face of evil', the sub text being she done it but was trading on her all round, attested (by friends and family), wonderfulness to get acquitted.
Clearly the subs had all read the Ripley novels!

[Jag_Warrior]

It is so strange to me that given a persons appearance or "looks" one can almost determine the outcome of a case that is pretty screwed up. The press focus is on the "lovely" Miss Knox while the unfortunate girl from the UK is dead and no voice speaking for her.
If the Italians decide she (Knox) has to serve her time there is no way the US will comply with a request to extradite.

Is there double jeopardy in Italy? Anyone know?

I am also tired of hearing about a person's appearance, celebrity status or wealth as the media glamorizes criminal behavior. It was done in the U.S. during the O.J. Simpson trial, the Casey Anthony baby murder trial, most of the female teachers accused of sleeping with under-aged students (including one where the convicted woman's lawyer said that she was "too pretty to go to jail" :rolleyes :) and now the Jody Arias murder trial. I haven't followed the Knox trial that closely. I'm just sick of hearing about her. So that's really why I'd like to see her be sent back to Italy. Let them deal with her so that I don't have to hear about her anymore. And send Jody Arias with her on the same plane - maybe it'll crash.

As for double jeopardy in Italy, according to Reuters, no, the Italian justice system does not include that provision:

Unlike law in the United States and some other countries, the Italian system does not contain so-called "double jeopardy" provisions that prevent a defendant being tried twice for the same offense. (http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/03/26/us-italy-knox-idUSBRE92P0AE20130326)

[Tazio]

As for double jeopardy in Italy, according to Reuters, no, the Italian justice system does not include that provision:
Unlike law in the United States and some other countries, the Italian system does not contain so-called "double jeopardy" provisions that prevent a defendant being tried twice for the same offense. (http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/03/26/us-italy-knox-idUSBRE92P0AE20130326)

This is the main obstacle in the extradition process, as it is contrary to the Constitution of The USA. I actually think Knox is skating on thin ice, because if she chooses not to go back for the retrial she stands a much better chance of being convicted in absentia, as the Italian courts allow more latitude for a defendant to refute testimony than our system does.
Plus the existence of an extradition treaty with Italy in and of itself implies that our government recognizes that Italy has a just legal system. This should get quite interesting (legally speaking) IMO.

[Roamy]

The US should never extradite anyone in a case of double jeopardy. Also in a case where french law in concerned the US should demand bail requirements in line with our laws. Amanda was not due bail and her trial was very late.

[Roamy]

I find it unbelievable a school girl would be capable of slitting someones throat. As much as you Euro's would love to hang an American, I think they have the right guy in the African drug dealer.

[Tazio]

The US should never extradite anyone in a case of double jeopardy. Also in a case where french law in concerned the US should demand bail requirements in line with our laws. Amanda was not due bail and her trial was very late.
Qu'est-ce que cela a à voir avec la France?

[Roamy]

I should clarify one thing - If they were doing Meth then anything is possible

[Roamy]

Qu'est-ce que cela a à voir avec la France?
The practice of guilty until proven innocent is known as French Law

[Tazio]

The practice of guilty until proven innocent is known as French LawPerhaps in the bastion of all things redneck, commonly referred to as Arizona, but in reality:

In France, article 9 of the Declaration of the Rights of Man and of the Citizen, which has force as constitutional law, begins: "Any man being presumed innocent until he has been declared guilty ...” The Code of Criminal Procedure states in its preliminary article that "any person suspected or prosecuted is presumed innocent for as long as their guilt has not been established" and the jurors' oath repeats this assertion (article 304).

[Roamy]

I all due respect to a dumb "Frog" The term came from as follows:


In 1800, just after Napoleon Bonaparte (1769-1821) had come to power (http://www.answers.com/topic/what-was-the-code-napoleon#) in France, he appointed a commission of legal experts to consolidate all French civil law into one code. The process took four years; the so-called Code Civil went into effect on March 21, 1804, the same year that Napoleon named himself emperor of France (which he did in December), The laws thus took on the alternate name of the Code Napoleon or Napoleonic Code. It went into force throughout France, Belgium, Luxembourg, and in other French territories and duchies in Europe.The code represented a compromise between Roman law and common (or customary) law. Further, it accommodated some of the radical reforms of the French Revolution (1789-99). The Code Civil set forth laws regarding individual liberty, tenure of property, order of inheritance, mortgages, and contracts. It had broad influence in Europe (http://www.answers.com/topic/what-was-the-code-napoleon#) as well as in Latin America, where civil law is prevalent. As opposed to the common law of most English-speaking countries, civil law judgments are based on codified principles, rather than on legal precedent. For example, under the Code Civil an accused person is guilty until proven innocent (as opposed to common law, which holds that a person is innocent until proven guilty).

[Tazio]

For starters I'm not French or of French lineage. Secondly; France no longer follows the Napoleonic Codes, or has that news not yet reached Arizona?

[Roamy]

Well I doubt Arizona gives a sh!t but now at least you know where the term came from and you seem to give a sh!t so there you go!!

[Tazio]

Fair enough Roamy

[Jag_Warrior]

I find it unbelievable a school girl would be capable of slitting someones throat. As much as you Euro's would love to hang an American, I think they have the right guy in the African drug dealer.

Yeah, she's cute and has a nice smile. I'm sure she didn't do it. :rolleyes:

Defense Attorney: "Hey, Judge Jag_Warrior, what happened to the defendant?"

Judge Jag_Warrior: "I had her hanged yesterday morning."

Defense Attorney: "Uh... but your Honor... the trial hasn't started yet!"

Judge Jag_Warrior: "Oh, really? Well... whoops! My bad. Bailiff, what's for lunch?"

[driveace]

Amanda Knox has spent her last holiday ever in Italy promise !

[keysersoze]

The Italian courts must think Amanda is pretty stupid if they think she'll agree to return to Italy to stand trial again. Or perhaps I should say the Italian courts must be stupid if they think Amanda will agree to return to Italy for another trial.

Sure, have your silly trial, get your verdict. Either way, you'll never put her in an Italian prison.

If she is indeed guilty, perhaps karma will intervene--she'll screw up again (but not hurt anyone)--and WE can put in the slammer.

[BDunnell]

The US should never extradite anyone in a case of double jeopardy. Also in a case where french law in concerned the US should demand bail requirements in line with our laws. Amanda was not due bail and her trial was very late.

In that case, the same requirements should be demanded of the US in extradition cases as pertain in the individual's country of origin. Would you be willing to accept that?

[Tazio]

The expression "When in Rome...." comes to mind.
Or in this case Padua the setting of one of my favorite short stories, which coincidently includes the homicide of a young woman at the hands of a college student / prospective lover living at the same residence :bulb:

[Dave B]

I find it unbelievable a school girl would be capable of slitting someones throat. As much as you Euro's would love to hang an American, I think they have the right guy in the African drug dealer.
Well there you go then. No need for expensive trials and all that pesky evidence gathering. She must be innocent, as she's an American schoolgirl. The African, on the other hand...

Jeez.

[markabilly]

Yeah, she's cute and has a nice smile. I'm sure she didn't do it. :rolleyes:

Defense Attorney: "Hey, Judge Jag_Warrior, what happened to the defendant?"

Judge Jag_Warrior: "I had her hanged yesterday morning."

Defense Attorney: "Uh... but your Honor... the trial hasn't started yet!"

Judge Jag_Warrior: "Oh, really? Well... whoops! My bad. Bailiff, what's for lunch?"

that ain't justice. poor girl was entitled to a coin toss first.

heads you get hung, tails you get lethal injection.

(no not that kind of injection)

[markabilly]

we will never know the truth until Nancy Ann Grace

does a proper investigation, for sure.

team her with that prosecutor Giuliano Mignini whose history is wierd, to say the least.

In Italy, prosecutors are appointed for life, and serve as members of the judiciary. He has faced all sorts of possible criminal charges for the type of misconduct that would lead to severe sanctions and his removal against him in many jurisdictions. His worst sin was not the Knox case, but was to chase after the so-called Monster of Florence, trying to convict the wrong person, while ignoring the obvious candidate who killed again. :arrows:

For Italian prosecutors, Amanda Knox was literally a witch -- and the murder scene an occult ritual - NYPOST.com (http://www.nypost.com/p/news/international/she_devil_in_the_details_KT3zbCuNv6iW356MZHppZK)


Amanda Knox freed: Prosecutor of Perugia's bizarre conduct bordered on criminal, observers say - NY Daily News (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/amanda-knox-freed-prosecutor-perugia-bizarre-conduct-bordered-criminal-observers-article-1.959606)


Prosecutor in Amanda Knox case, Giuliano Mignini, found guilty | NowPublic News Coverage (http://www.nowpublic.com/world/prosecutor-amanda-knox-case-giuliano-mignini-found-guilty)

Giuliano Mignini: Knox prosecutor who believes he is the conspiracy victim | World news | The Guardian (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/oct/03/giuliano-mignini-knox-prosecutor-conspiracy)

Giuliano Mignini (http://www.grahamlawyerblog.com/tag/giuliano-mignini/)


:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[markabilly]

Well there you go then. No need for expensive trials and all that pesky evidence gathering. She must be innocent, as she's an American schoolgirl. The African, on the other hand...

Jeez.

I think you really in the category of "she is quilty, no need for those expensive trials" and no actual proof such as the dna which was not any evidence at all.....just need Giuliano Mignini to distort and make up evidence......

[Roamy]

In that case, the same requirements should be demanded of the US in extradition cases as pertain in the individual's country of origin. Would you be willing to accept that?
Absolutely !!

[BDunnell]

Absolutely !!

And national laws should simply be ignored?

[Spafranco]

Well there you go then. No need for expensive trials and all that pesky evidence gathering. She must be innocent, as she's an American schoolgirl. The African, on the other hand...

Jeez.

Columbine, Ohio trial this past where a 17year old killed two people, Casey Anthony as another person stated earlier.

People watch too many movies where a person arrested in a foreign sates " I'm an American citizen" as though these countries were to bow and beg forgiveness for the temerity of actually arresting an American.

Recall Singapore where the kid damaged a car and got a flogging. I remember Sean Hannity on his high horse stating that the government should get involved and demand that the kid be given a reprieve.

I recall quite clearly the time in the late 90's when my wife and I along with another couple went to Ireland on vacation. When we got to the hotel our friends asked if we wanted to smoke some weed. I asked him how he was able to get his hands on weed. Turns out he had it in his bag. About a half pound as he and his wife were really into it.

I was furious as the person who arranged the rental cars at a discount was not only a cousin but a detective as well. These people knew it. When I brought the issue up about smuggling dope into Ireland their uneducated or don't give a damn answer was that the Irish would not care as they were Americans.

They went to the UK to visit family and did the same thing.

I wanted to know what would have happened in Ireland if a person was charged with smuggling dope. I asked this of my cousin detective. His answer was quite to the point. Heavy jail time. One of the toughest in Europe. Zero tolerance when caught. They get a trial. same system as ours but a case where the drugs were found and with no way of avoiding the guilty verdict it would have been a ten to fifteen year sentence. In other words they were making a mockery of the laws of the country they visiting. He gathered that I was speaking about my friends. He told me that when we were going to dinner the following weekend he had a duty if he suspected drug use he would have to search, go to their hotel and if any was found they would be arrested. He brought up the American citizen line heard in so many movies and stated that just because America is a militarily powerful nation it is also a nation with the highest incarceration rate in the western world and it would have no influence with Irish law even though the two countries were closely linked.

The couple got back safely from the UK with their pot. Amazingly, when I mentioned the conversation with my cousin they said screw it. We'll just call the embassy. Oh, and why did I snitch? I stated I was asking a question and he being a detective concluded it was them I spoke of.
The same laws applied in the UK. They got rid of the drugs. We all had dinner with my cousin and his wife and he never said a thing about the drugs. He mentioned one thing as we were talking about three murders that occurred in Ireland by two English thugs. The only message that came from the English was that they would supply the Irish with all the information that they had.

My cousin stated in a manner of fact way that there was no attempt by the English courts wanting their citizens freed. He said, every country, big and small had their laws. They were to be enforced were they citizens or non-citizens.
They got the message.

[Roamy]

Well there you go then. No need for expensive trials and all that pesky evidence gathering. She must be innocent, as she's an American schoolgirl. The African, on the other hand...

Jeez.

Well I have to admit that I tend to trust School Girls more than African drug dealers.

[Roamy]

And national laws should simply be ignored?
There are a number of problems with legal systems. In Amanda's case we do not believe in double jeopardy so in her case she should not be returned. In Mexico you can be accused of a certain type of crime (non violent) and be imprisioned for a long time awaiting trial. The accuser can just lie about sh!t but you go to jail. So I supposed I would be for ignoring national laws but at the same time I believe civilized countries can effectively prosecute criminals as they do now. The little sticking points are the one like Knox's. So the originating country wins. So like if you are here and convicted of murder and your country does not believe in the death penalty you could not be sentenced to death. So I guess that would be ignoring national laws.

[Spafranco]

Well there you go then. No need for expensive trials and all that pesky evidence gathering. She must be innocent, as she's an American schoolgirl. The African, on the other hand...

Jeez.

Columbine, Ohio trial this past week where a 17year old killed two people, Casey Anthony as another person stated earlier.

People watch too many movies where a person arrested in a foreign country states " I'm an American citizen" as though these countries were to bow and beg forgiveness for the temerity of actually arresting an American.

Recall Singapore where the kid damaged a car and got a flogging. I remember Sean Hannity on his high horse stating that the government should get involved and demand that the kid be given a reprieve.

I recall quite clearly the time in the late 90's when my wife and I along with another couple went to Ireland on vacation. When we got to the hotel our friends asked if we wanted to smoke some weed. I asked him how he was able to get his hands on weed. Turns out he had it in his bag. About a half pound as he and his wife were really into it.

I was furious as the person who arranged the rental cars at a discount was not only a cousin but a detective as well. These people knew it. When I brought the issue up about smuggling dope into Ireland their uneducated or don't give a damn answer was that the Irish would not care as they were Americans.

They went to the UK to visit family and did the same thing.

I wanted to know what would have happened in Ireland if a person was charged with smuggling dope. I asked this of my cousin detective. His answer was quite to the point. Heavy jail time. One of the toughest in Europe. Zero tolerance when caught. They get a trial. same system as ours but a case where the drugs were found and with no way of avoiding the guilty verdict it would have been a ten to fifteen year sentence. In other words they were making a mockery of the laws of the country they were visiting. He gathered that I was speaking about my friends. He told me that when we were going to dinner the following weekend he had a duty if he suspected drug use he would have to search, go to their hotel and if any was found they would be arrested. He brought up the American citizen line heard in so many movies and stated that just because America is a militarily powerful nation it is also a nation with the highest incarceration rate in the western world and it would have no influence with Irish law even though the two countries were closely linked.

The couple got back safely from the UK with their pot. Amazingly, when I mentioned the conversation with my cousin they said screw it. We'll just call the embassy. Oh, and why did I snitch? I stated I was asking a question and he being a detective concluded it was them I spoke of.
The same laws applied in the UK.
They got rid of the drugs. We all had dinner with my cousin and his wife and he never said a thing about the drugs. He mentioned one thing as we were talking about three murders that occurred in Ireland by two English thugs. The only message that came from the English was that they would supply the Irish with all the information that they had.

My cousin stated in a manner of fact way that there was no attempt by the English courts wanting their citizens freed. He said, every country, big and small had their laws. They were to be enforced were they be citizens or non-citizens.
They got the message.
I spoke to my cousin a month or two later. They had arrested a young American girl who was living in Dublin. She had come back from a trip that had a stop to refuel in Miami, then a stop in Mexico City and then another in Bogota Columbia. She returned to Ireland after having stayed in Columbia for just two days. She arrested at Dublin Airport. The Irish cops knew an hour before the plane landed that there was a possible smuggler on the plane. She had a million dollars worth of cocaine in her platform shoes. The tip had come from both the F.B.I and the D.E.A. They were aware that she was an American. They were concerned about the drugs coming into Ireland and upset that it was an American that was doing it.

[Roamy]

coke is a tough deal some days i think they should legalize it and tax it. but now it has created "gang welfare" so i doubt that will ever happen. on the other hand meth people should be terminated.

[Jag_Warrior]

So like if you are here and convicted of murder and your country does not believe in the death penalty you could not be sentenced to death.

Really? ;)

CNN
July 7, 2011 9:30 p.m. EDT

Humberto Leal Garcia Jr., a Mexican national convicted of raping and killing a 16-year-old girl in 1994, was executed by lethal injection Thursday evening in Texas. (http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/07/07/texas.mexican.execution/index.html)

[Roamy]

Really? ;)

CNN
July 7, 2011 9:30 p.m. EDT

Humberto Leal Garcia Jr., a Mexican national convicted of raping and killing a 16-year-old girl in 1994, was executed by lethal injection Thursday evening in Texas. (http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/07/07/texas.mexican.execution/index.html)

great - but as I said in a proper agreement he wouldn't have - but because we lack such an agreement I am happy to see him take the long sleep

[Jag_Warrior]

It wouldn't disturb my sleeping habits if Lil Amanda ended up taking a long (dirt) nap either.

[Roamy]

It wouldn't disturb my sleeping habits if Lil Amanda ended up taking a long (dirt) nap either.

so in your mind she is guilty and the african drug dealer in wrongly incerated? Is that where you are at??

[Jag_Warrior]

so in your mind she is guilty and the african drug dealer in wrongly incerated? Is that where you are at??

In my mind (and in reality), she was convicted. Hang her and be done with it. Too much time has been wasted on this worthless, over-privileged scum. As for the drug dealer, was he convicted? If yes, then the same for him. Too many soft-hearted (soft-headed) Americans get their panties in a twist when girls of a certain appearance (and complexion) get themselves into trouble and they then want to whine about these common dirtbags ad nauseum. It makes a mockery of our society, if not our justice system.

Bottom line, the sooner Knox goes away (one way or another), the happier I'll be. The only thing I care about less than Knox is the dead hillbilly reality TV "star" they just found cold & stiff on a dirt road in West Virginia (how ironic).

[Roamy]

Ok that is your point. I want to see the retrial because I don't have a lot of faith in the Italian legal system as to what little i have read.. If you are going to convict with DNA it has to be flawless.

[Tazio]

And to your credit (Roamy) it does appear that Rudy Guede's "African drug dealer" DNA and Fingerprints were all over the crime scene, as well as him testifying that he was there and in the bathroom listening to his Ipod when the murrder took place! Here is a link you might find to your liking.
Rudy Guede (http://www.injusticeinperugia.org/rudy.html)

[Roamy]

Thank Alca
This is kind of the way I have it pegged

[markabilly]

And to your credit (Roamy) it does appear that Rudy Guede's "African drug dealer" DNA and Fingerprints were all over the crime scene, as well as him testifying that he was there and in the bathroom listening to his Ipod when the murrder took place! Here is a link you might find to your liking.
Rudy Guede (http://www.injusticeinperugia.org/rudy.html)

Point well made....Casey Anthony

Thanks for this information ....................