The Euros are Brilliant

[Roamy]

For a long time I have really detested horses. ala "never invest in anything that eats while you sleep" So getting rid of horses does not bother me in the slightest.
so now i read the euros are grinding up the horses and mixing it with beef. Selling it in frozen meat products. So if your beef and kidney pie gallops away do be alarmed :)

[Knock-on]

Q. What do you put on a Tesco's Burger?

A. £5 each way :D


I quite like Horse meat anyway so I don't mind. A lot better than some of the stuff I've eaten.

[BDunnell]

I quite like Horse meat anyway so I don't mind. A lot better than some of the stuff I've eaten.

That's not really the point, though, is it? We ought to be able to trust food labelling.

As it happens, I too quite like horse meat. Nothing wrong with it.

[Starter]

So, if the horse doesn't do well at the meet, than it will do better as meat?

[henners88]

Firstly we are brilliant, very brilliant in fact :D

The real issue here is not that it's just horse meat but the fact our food standards allowed it to enter the food chain. If this was undetected it makes you wonder what else has crept in.


Plus, horse meat in itself is not harmful to humans but if that horse has been fed 'bute' then it's a different story. I grew up around horses and bute is quite common especially with race horses. If a horse has been fed bute even once in its life, it can not be used in human consumption, ever. If horse meat has somehow found its way in to our food chain through criminal means, we have good reason to be concerned IMO.

[Knock-on]

Henners, I normally really respect your opinion and what you say is very true but really??? Have you never eaten a Doner or KFC and wondered.......... ;)

[henners88]

I don't fall into that category as I don't tend to eat fast food. Fish and chips is my choice and that's rare. I would imagine dodgy kebab shops have been using condemned meat for years, I'm not naive. Even Birds Eye were done for using condemned meat that had been sprayed yellow a few years ago when it was found in frozen chicken pies. I don't eat crap food if I can avoid it so this sort of thing shouldn't be a worry.

[donKey jote]

Henners, I normally really respect your opinion and what you say is very true but really??? Have you never eaten a Doner or KFC and wondered.......... ;)

hmmm, come to think of it, I did think those horse-wings tasted a bit funny :p

[Roamy]

yea and one of the first things I tell my prospective asian brides is "dont eat my dog"

[henners88]

I'm truly ashamed of myself for laughing at that.

[Knock-on]

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[Tazio]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/521863_10151249983327353_1504361740_n.png I know you had had a problem with Mad Cow Disease but I didn't realize it had come to this. On a separate note my nephew that attends University in Southern Ca. has is a super fine girlfriend that is a coed at the same institution and a French National. He mentioned to me that she, and her family eat horse meat, and I'd eat her. So I guess it depends on where you are on the food chain ;)

[Brown, Jon Brow]

Certainly won't be going for a burger at a cheap takeaway on my home from the pub tonight. I like to know what I'm eating, so I'm getting a doner kebab instead!.

[donKey jote]

Forget her tazman, Princess Ann or Camilla are surely more your type :bandit:
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20120721090756AAdSjt0
http://7reasons.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/camilla-300x193.jpg

[race aficionado]

Don't mess with Jag's horses......

[przemson]

Knock-on;
HHEH nice one

[Tazio]

Forget her tazman, Princess Ann or Camilla are surely more your type :bandit:
Who looks more like a horse: Princess Anne or Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall? - Yahoo! Answers (http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20120721090756AAdSjt0)
I said I would
I have no unrealitic exspectations at my age in that arena.........BTW how's the missus? :dork: :beer:

[donKey jote]

BTW how's the missus? :dork: :beer:

fine, fine, 3 months too late for CotA, but I'll be seeing her again next week. Was she good to you in November? :andrea: :bandit:

[D-Type]

What next? Will they find whale meat in steak pies?

[Tazio]

fine, fine, 3 months too late for CotA, but I'll be seeing her again next week. Was she good to you in November? :andrea: :bandit: I'm not the type to kiss and tell. Let me just say that billybob ended up in his room alone and I suspect with "the expanded cable package" on his TV :s ailor: http://i46.tinypic.com/hv9ul3.gif


What next? Will they find whale meat in steak pies?
Baby Harp Seal meat is my guess ;)

[race aficionado]

Just no donkey meat, please!

[Starter]

Baby Harp Seal meat is my guess ;)
Ummm, yum!

[Rollo]

I found it somewhat strange that the last time I went to the United States and made lamb shanks for the in-laws and their family (my wife comes from SD), that most of them had never eaten lamb before. Seriously.

[Dave B]

What next? Will they find whale meat in steak pies?
Whale meat again. Don't know where, don't know when....

[Tazio]

I found it somewhat strange that the last time I went to the United States and made lamb shanks for the in-laws and their family (my wife comes from SD), that most of them had never eaten lamb before. Seriously.In my family lamb is a regular and personally I love it, but I agree it does seem to me that we are somewhat exceptional in this area. I can't speak for the rest of the area /country, but for whatever reason I have had the same experience as you, although most people I know have eaten Lamb just not regularly, and it is not even close in popularity to beef, chicken, and pork.

[D-Type]

Just no donkey meat, please!

I once had a Polish colleague who stated catgorically that you couldn only make good salami if you included aome donkey meat

[D-Type]

Whale meat again. Don't know where, don't know when....
:laugh:

My parents always asserted that some of the meat they had in wartime (Britain) sausages and pies was whale meat.

[Rollo]

:laugh:

My parents always asserted that some of the meat they had in wartime (Britain) sausages and pies was whale meat.

Probably because it's true.

BBC - WW2 People's War - Strange Things on the Dinner Table (http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/ww2peopleswar/stories/92/a1110592.shtml)
The ultimate came, however, when the government hit on the bright idea of combining fish and meat and urged us to eat whale meat. Where, or how, the whales were caught and brought to England I do not know. There must be a limit to how much whale one ship can carry, and one whale alone would provide a lot of whale steaks, but newspapers and the wireless told us how to prepare and cook the stuff, and sure enough, in due course, it appeared in the shops. From there, inevitably, it found its way onto our table.

I think I also remember this in "The Supersizers Go... Wartime" with Giles Coren and Sue Perkins. Certainly the idea of using paraffin wax in place of butter was put forward as an emergency means by the War Office, so the idea of whale meat in sausages and pies sounds entirely plausible.

[Robinho]

If your lasagne is made with horse,
God knows what they put in the sauce,
But no need to worry,
There's always a curry,
It's donkey jalfreizi of course!

Sent from the moon using a shoe

[gadjo_dilo]

I found it somewhat strange that the last time I went to the United States and made lamb shanks for the in-laws and their family (my wife comes from SD), that most of them had never eaten lamb before.

In my country people eat lamb only on Easter. Otherwise we can&#8217]I once had a Polish colleague who stated catgorically that you couldn only make good salami if you included aome donkey meat.[/QUOTE]

In the past our Sibiu Salami was hard to get, very expensive and very tasty. They say it was prepared with horse meat but I didn’t believe it. However I always had a gallbladder when I ate it.
Now you can find it everywhere, it’s still expensive but it’s definitely tasteless. I still doubt they could make it with horse meat.
They say that the “horse meat” is but a legend but like any legend it contains a grain of truth. Looks like the gut that wraps the salami is from horses.


My parents always asserted that some of the meat they had in wartime (Britain) sausages and pies was whale meat.
In the last years of communism there were rumours that the most popular type of sausages were made with nutria meat. I remember that sometimes the taste was really weird and the colour was redder. I also remember that I use to cry while eating it.

[gadjo_dilo]

KING RICHARD III:
A horse! a horse! my kingdom for a horse!

CATESBY:
Withdraw, my lord; I'll help you to a horse.

Now as it looks that the horse meat on british market is of romanian origin I think it's time for " la perfide Albion" to open his gates for us before 2014. :devil:

[henners88]

I can see the drive for 'British Meat' surfacing after all this. The farmers here will be chuffed and consumers will go back to the mentality of the 90's where they only trust British slaughtered meat. It'll all go on a marketing drive I can see it.

[gadjo_dilo]

I can see the drive for 'British Meat' surfacing after all this. The farmers here will be chuffed and consumers will go back to the mentality of the 90's where they only trust British slaughtered meat. It'll all go on a marketing drive I can see it.

Maybe it's healthier than to wander some horse meat on a route Romania-Cyprus-Holland-France-Luxembourg and then to throw some lasagna on the Channel to Britain. :laugh:

[henners88]

Maybe it's healthier than to wander some horse meat on a route Romania-Cyprus-Holland-France-Luxembourg and then to throw some lasagna on the Channel to Britain. :laugh:
Its always better to have home grown produce or meat from your own country because it is fresher and hopefully better regulated, but that is nearly always reflected in the price.

[gadjo_dilo]

Its always better to have home grown produce or meat from your own country because it is fresher and hopefully better regulated, but that is nearly always reflected in the price.
Yeah, but when you think that on the cosmopolite route the horse may become cow and all those who were involved needed their share of profit....

[henners88]

If that's the case lets hope the shipment gets lost along the way.

[Mintexmemory]

Now that we have the equine lasagne it is expected that Spaghetti Bolog-neighs and Filly con carne will be the next offerings in the freezer cabinets!


Edit: Self fulfilling Prophesy. Tesco actually admit today (11/2) that the value chilled Spag Bol is 'high in horse content'

[steveaki13]

If horse is as bad as it gets then I will be suprised. Looking at some meat you get in these takeaways or ready made meals. I would be amazed if horse is the worst.

[steveaki13]

I also heard that veg is affected too. Some Radish is found to be 100% Horse Radish

[Mintexmemory]

Remember a Dog is not just for Christmas - it can be enjoyed at any other festive meal!

[Rollo]

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BCkLydxCEAE2ZLC.jpg

[Starter]

I would think that England would like some nice wholesome horse meat after all those angry bovines you had a couple years ago.

[Mintexmemory]

I would think that England would like some nice wholesome horse meat after all those angry bovines you had a couple years ago.

They werent 'hacked off' mad, just plain loony!
As my french gf informed me, unlike England you don't see retirement pastures for old horses in France!
Now I like a good cheval BBQ steak when camping in La Belle F but it's just that someone should get what they are paying for.
On the plus side now people know they can eat horse, expect sales to rise in UK

[D-Type]

And this year's Grand National will be sponsored by ..... Tesco

[Mintexmemory]

And this year's Grand National will be sponsored by ..... Tesco
Had my annual med today the doc said I should watch what I eat - so I bought 2 tickets for the Derby

[Starter]

Just wondering, if your burger is made from retired thoroughbreds, is it still considered fast food?

[Mintexmemory]

Latest scandal Zebra DNA found in the barcodes!!

[steveaki13]

Richard III: A horse, a horse, my kingdom for a horse.

He should have waited a while, now he could just pop down to Tesco and pay 89p like the rest of us.

[Mintexmemory]

Richard III: A horse, a horse, my kingdom for a horse.

He should have waited a while, now he could just pop down to Tesco and pay 89p like the rest of us.
Yes, but since he was a King (before a car park fell on him) he'd have shopped at Waitrose!

[gadjo_dilo]

Romanian Zootechnical specialists are already working hard on a race horse with more bones, that look like fish....

[steveaki13]

Im sure some companies are punching the air happy that its only horses they've found as they mince up the next ready meal. :dog:

[Mintexmemory]

We should go back to home-reared food like earthenware jars of dormice and guinea pigs (Bolivian fast food)

[Tazio]

Romanian Zootechnical specialists are already working hard on a race horse with more bones, that look like fish.........but tastes like chicken :p :

[D-Type]

Some very clever jokes here.

But on a more serious note, I am not a Hindu who has inadvertently eaten beef, or a Muslim or Jew who has had his meal contaminated with pork. It just goes to show how much everyone has to trust the suppliers to be honest.

[Tazio]

It just goes to show how much everyone has to trust the suppliers to be honest.Over here The U.S. Food and Drug Administration is watching out for the American consumers. They can't force Americans to eat healthily however. As the doc's doctor told me in casual conversation "I think processed food should come with warning labels on them."

[Mintexmemory]

Some very clever jokes here.

But on a more serious note, I am not a Hindu who has inadvertently eaten beef, or a Muslim or Jew who has had his meal contaminated with pork. It just goes to show how much everyone has to trust the suppliers to be honest.

Which is why religious observant eating tends to be inspected by the relevant clerics and if processed food is involved these receive far more rigourous inspection than by food hygiene officials. I recall that the chemical plant I worked at in the early 80's which made acetic acid had to be inspected by a panel of rabbis to determine whether the acid could be a constituent of kosher non-brewed condiment - vinegar to Jose Publico. Nothing unclean was found to be associated with the process though we were a bit concerned when they chopped a meter off the end of the reactor vent pipe!

[gadjo_dilo]

Just got an email with the special offer for this week at Cora hypermarket. Guess what..
"Lasagna Bolognese Alberto" has a dicount of 50% at every second product. :p :

[Anubis]

In theory, being vegetarian ought to make me feel rather smug about this, but it doesn't in the slightest. The issue for me isn't "haha you had horse in your lasagne", it's more the genuine bewilderment at how convoluted and opaque the foodchain has become in the name of driving down price, plus the realisation that if the retailers and manufacturers don't know what's in the products they're selling, what chance does the consumer have?

[steveaki13]

It is still amazing me just how wide spread this has become. It is unbelievable that this has gone so unchecked for so long.

It turns out when I finally find a Beef Burger I might miss the old taste of horse.

[D-Type]

In theory, being vegetarian ought to make me feel rather smug about this, but it doesn't in the slightest. The issue for me isn't "haha you had horse in your lasagne", it's more the genuine bewilderment at how convoluted and opaque the foodchain has become in the name of driving down price, plus the realisation that if the retailers and manufacturers don't know what's in the products they're selling, what chance does the consumer have?
I wonder... Are they checking quorn as well. Will they find traces of meat in quornburgers?

[steveaki13]

I wonder... Are they checking quorn as well. Will they find traces of meat in quornburgers?


Wouldnt be suprised. They tend to just mash alot into all of these Sausage and Burgers. It could be anything.

I would be amazed that its only horse in these products.

[ioan]

Wouldnt be suprised. They tend to just mash alot into all of these Sausage and Burgers. It could be anything.

I would be amazed that its only horse in these products.

Exactly!
The best part of all this is that now people start to think about all the stuff they swallowed over the years without knowing it. :D

[BDunnell]

Exactly!
The best part of all this is that now people start to think about all the stuff they swallowed over the years without knowing it. :D

There was anecdotal evidence from butchers in the city I live in saying that they had experienced an increase in customers since the horse meat affair began. I really hope this brings about a change in the way people think about the origins of their food, and a move away from simply buying everything from supermarkets. If people can be bothered to go to more than one shop, plenty of good butchers offer better produce at very competitive prices.

[steveaki13]

There was anecdotal evidence from butchers in the city I live in saying that they had experienced an increase in customers since the horse meat affair began. I really hope this brings about a change in the way people think about the origins of their food, and a move away from simply buying everything from supermarkets. If people can be bothered to go to more than one shop, plenty of good butchers offer better produce at very competitive prices.

Absolutely, the cuts of meat and even sausages in proper butchers are so much nicer than almost all supermarket meat.

It shows how people really seem more concerned about price and ease than quality.

[BDunnell]

Absolutely, the cuts of meat and even sausages in proper butchers are so much nicer than almost all supermarket meat.

It shows how people really seem more concerned about price and ease than quality.

Shopping at an independent butcher can often be on a par with supermarkets in price terms. When I buy minced beef from my local butcher, it's actually cheaper than what the nearby supermarkets offer, and far better, too.

[Bagwan]

At my wee cafe , we buy as much local as we can .
Most aften , it costs less .

Our local butcher doesn't just cut meat from anywhere , but only locally sourced , in our county .

Ask where your food is sourced , and they will understand it matters .
Ask enough times , and explain it's importance , and the smart retailer will find it for you .
This is fundamental for the small food vendor .

Our customers appreciate it , and I know that because they tell us every day .

When I was growing up on the farm , we not only knew where the meat was from , but it's name as well .
I remember one of our bulls , named Carlos , being particularly tender , and the sad day when we pulled the last piece of Carlos from the freezer and dropped him on the grill .

You could cut Carlos with a fork . Mmmmmmmmmmmmm .

[donKey jote]

I still remember the shock on some of my English friends' faces all those years ago, when they saw carcasses instead of plastic trays at our local butcher in Spain.... in the Supermarket ! :p

As for all these people supposedly throwing away food they've been enjoying for years just because it doesn't moo or oink anymore... does it suddenly taste different too ? :rolleyes:
Charlie Brooker made a good point about what you should expect in a burger in one of his recent weekly wipes :laugh:

[donKey jote]

If people can be bothered to go to more than one shop, plenty of good butchers offer better produce at very competitive prices.
Do they also sell frozen Lasagne ? :p

[BDunnell]

Do they also sell frozen Lasagne ? :p

No, but, amazingly, it turns out one can purchase the individual ingredients that together can be combined into a lasagne by oneself.

[Starter]

No, but, amazingly, it turns out one can purchase the individual ingredients that together can be combined into a lasagne by oneself.
Some assembly required, eh?

[EuroTroll]

No, but, amazingly, it turns out one can purchase the individual ingredients that together can be combined into a lasagne by oneself.

Amazing what you can do, nowadays. The wonders of modern technology. :p

[race aficionado]

Any body hungry?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-21324523

[BDunnell]

Any body hungry?
BBC News - Paris chefs kick-start a horsemeat gastro-trend (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-21324523)

Good for them.

This shouldn't be seen as a horsemeat scandal per se, but one relating to failures in food labelling, sourcing and quality control.

[Roamy]

good dunnell - next you will be selling
"Trigger Burgers"

[ioan]

Good for them.

This shouldn't be seen as a horsemeat scandal per se, but one relating to failures in food labelling, sourcing and quality control.

Exactly.