Wrc Vodafone Rally de Portugal 2013

[jbmarcus21]

#WRC Vodafone Rally de Portugal road program is out with a Power Stage of 52.30kms !!!
Wrc Vodafone Rally de Portugal 2013 (http://planetemarcus.com/saison-wrc/portugal-2013/)

[Prisoner Monkeys]

Good. I hate those little four-kilometre sprint stages around city streets that are filled with chicanes and hairpins and are designed to emphasise spectator accessibility over challenging, competitive stages.

Perhaps the FIA should introduce a rule whereby all rallies must ave one stage that is at least fifty kilometres long.

[tommeke_B]

Quite poor itinerary (for spectators) compared to how it was this year.

[makinen_fan]

Indeed a bit poor program. Friday finishes by 1400-1500 and Saturday does not even start until 1100. This just to go to Lisbon and back for 3km street stage... I hope to see this kind of stages start to be removed from events, they do not contribute much in my view. Does the street stage in Lisbon gather big crowds, like France this year?

[Kielder]

Does the street stage in Lisbon gather big crowds, like France this year?

No, it doesn't. It's expected more people attending to the SSS running it on Friday and three hours later than this year. However, despite this change, I believe there will be approximately the same people as last year because almost everybody who will follow the morning stages won't go to Lisbon.
I was there in 2010, but last year I preferred going to the South directly. Seeing that street stage once is enough and of course it doesn't deserve to drive more than 400 kilometres to see it. This year's Friday's itinerary is nonsense.

[millbrook]

Rallyguide 1, Overview-maps & Itinerary online now :
R.Guide1 (http://uk.rallydeportugal.pt/content.aspx?menuid=160)

Looking forward to it :)

[MartijnS]

Third Rally Portugal thread ;)

http://www.motorsportforums.com/rallying/156006-rally-portugal-2013-a.html

http://www.motorsportforums.com/wrc/156430-wrc-vodafone-rally-de-portugal-2013-a.html

[millbrook]

Oops ...


Third Rally Portugal thread ;)

http://www.motorsportforums.com/rallying/156006-rally-portugal-2013-a.html

http://www.motorsportforums.com/wrc/156430-wrc-vodafone-rally-de-portugal-2013-a.html

[Brother John]

Third Rally Portugal thread ;)
http://www.motorsportforums.com/rallying/156006-rally-portugal-2013-a.html

http://www.motorsportforums.com/wrc/156430-wrc-vodafone-rally-de-portugal-2013-a.html

I,l move it to one thread.

[Prisoner Monkeys]

Good. I hate those little four-kilometre sprint stages around city streets that are filled with chicanes and hairpins and are designed to emphasise spectator accessibility over challenging, competitive stages.
Having said this, I think it is also important that the sport becomes accessible to fans, and it's not going to do that when you need to get up at four in the morning, squat yourself out in the middle of a frozen forest and try to distract yourself from worrying over whether or not your unmentionables might fall off in the cold by wondering why you ever thought this was a good idea until a rally car blasts past and coats you in a thick layer of slush that is equal parts mud and crushed ice. The fanatics might get that this is all part of the fun, but newcomers to the sport would probably rather stay in bed.

With that in mind, perhaps organisers could consider an informal, untimed "stage" as part of the official rally launch. I can't remember if they still do it, but the organisers of the Rally Mexico used to start the first stage on the rostrum, and the cars would then blast down through the city's underground roadways and into a spectator section. It was only about a kilometre long and featured a roundabout for the cars to do a donut around (ugh!), but it really revved the crowds up.

So if I was organising a rally, the first thing I would do is find a nice, large, open area where spectators could arrange themselves and see plenty, kind of like Walters' Arena. I'd start the cars at one end and encourage the drivers to put on a bit of a show, but with none of the pressure of a timed run. The, when we get out into the forests, the serious business begins.

[tommeke_B]

So if I was organising a rally, the first thing I would do is find a nice, large, open area where spectators could arrange themselves and see plenty, kind of like Walters' Arena. I'd start the cars at one end and encourage the drivers to put on a bit of a show, but with none of the pressure of a timed run. The, when we get out into the forests, the serious business begins.
The first thing you should do if you were organizing a rally, is find sponsors, which is nearly impossible (ask organizers). Only then you can start praying for local governments to give permission to your requests for using parts of road, forest... :) Then you have to find people who want to help in your organization etc. etc. etc... :) IF the people who always say "if I would be organizer", would really organize something, I bet there would be a lot of failures... Just because they look just at one (the good) side of everything. ;) There is always a good reason that something is in the rally, or that something is not in the rally... Key words are money and permission...

[Prisoner Monkeys]

I'm aware of all of that, and I'm assumming that all of it has been done.

The point I'm trying to make is that the WRC needs to be accessible to fans, but the drivers shouldn't be wasting their time navigating the piddly little super-special stages that meander through towns at pedestrian speeds. By all means, have them so that fans can get close to the action, but don't make them a part of the rally route.

[rallyfun]

I'm aware of all of that, and I'm assumming that all of it has been done.

The point I'm trying to make is that the WRC needs to be accessible to fans, but the drivers shouldn't be wasting their time navigating the piddly little super-special stages that meander through towns at pedestrian speeds. By all means, have them so that fans can get close to the action, but don't make them a part of the rally route.

Thanks to that kind of little super-stages I got to know rallies as well as many rally fans, all stages (appart some Walesh ones) are accessible with little or no effort as far as I am concerned. And super-stage in Europian capital is one of the best ways to promote WRC.

[Prisoner Monkeys]

I'm not saying they shouldn't be run - just that they shouldn't be counted as part of the overall rally distance. Just have them as a demonstration stage for the fans. I don't know about you, but I hate looking at a rally itenerary and seeing that the cars will make six passes over a two-kilometre super-special. It is really so necessary? Why not just have one or two passes over it, and add ten competitive kilometres to an actual stage.

[Kielder]

Three months left for Rally of Portugal 2013, but there hasn’t been any news about an eventual II Fafe Rally Sprint. Four months before starting the Rally of Portugal 2012 we knew that Fafe Rally Sprint would be run. Nevertheless, there’s still hope to see the WRC in Fafe again this year. I know that ACP and Fafe Council are still negotiating right now a new edition of the event. Let's hope it turn out well and they reach an agreement :) .
I even guess that the cards of the future of the rally are being played ;) .

Let's hope so, it would be amazing to see the rally back in the north. It kinda belongs here.

[Riven]

Three months left for Rally of Portugal 2013, but there hasn’t been any news about an eventual II Fafe Rally Sprint. Four months before starting the Rally of Portugal 2012 we knew that Fafe Rally Sprint would be run. Nevertheless, there’s still hope to see the WRC in Fafe again this year. I know that ACP and Fafe Council are still negotiating right now a new edition of the event. Let's hope it turn out well and they reach an agreement :) .
I even guess that the cards of the future of the rally are being played ;) .

They´re are waiting for some teams to confirm their presence (eg: VW) and then they will announce the 2013 event. Probably some days after Monte, we'll have more news about this. For me personnaly it was the highlight of the year, in terms of rally, amazing atmosphere and what rally should be.

[Kielder]

They´re are waiting for some teams to confirm their presence (eg: VW) and then they will announce the 2013 event. Probably some days after Monte, we'll have more news about this. For me personnaly it was the highlight of the year, in terms of rally, amazing atmosphere and what rally should be.

You're absolutely right :) .

[MAXLD]

Let's hope so, it would be amazing to see the rally back in the north. It kinda belongs here.

It will be, it's inevitable. There are several factors that keep each rally in the championship: sponsor/financial power, car market interest, organization, public attendance,...

Portugal doesn't have a strong financial power (specially nowadays) nor a strong car market (never did, it's a small country with low sale volumes and low buying power per capita)... and also failed in organization in the past (not only public control, but internal organization factors). That's also why Rally Portugal was discarded several years from the championship, along with the current rules that demand a near and central service area not far from the stages.
With the current location in far south (Algarve) the organization is improved, but now the public attendance is much, much lower...

And when you gather all the Pros and Cons.... that's a real problem for the Rally, because now it doesn't have a lot to offer to the sport. And with new markets/countries growing, it will be problematic to justify why this rally has a place in WRC instead of those. That's why year after year the organization have been trying to improve and innovate (doing the first super special inside Lisbon, etc...) It's a matter of showing something...

On the other end, FIA knows that the sport needs more public, fan attention and media marketing. And there's no place like Portugal to have a massive crowd in the background of images and videos, the only reason they are not having that is the current location. Last year they made the Fafe Rally Sprint single stage event in the classic/old Rally location and the attendance was absolutely massive... it was a test in several areas (attendance, organization and public behaviour), and overall it was a tremendous success. And all that without a big marketing for it. That day has shown that the fans will always be ready and the old passion is intact.
And their new mentality of allowing longer stages, a bit more towards "endurance" than "sprint", is a open door for the return of the rally to the North location.

Rally Portugal needs the classic/old location as much as the FIA needs it.

http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/420/fafethenandnow.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/11/fafethenandnow.jpg/)
(not my photo (https://www.facebook.com/pages/Queremos-o-Fafe-Rally-Sprint-2013/422075781198935))


And all that was proven by interviews to Michelle Mouton (manager of the WRC) at the time of the Fafe Rally Sprint & Rally Portugal 2012:


Q: Under the current FIA system of the FIA, do you think that this rally could ever go back to the North again?

Michele: I have to say I really hope so, our sport is a popular sport, and I think we have to stay close to the fans. Ok, when I say "close" I do not mean like the spectators used to be, standing close to the edge of the stages. You have to keep educating people today, but I really hope that the rally can go to the North of Portugal again, close to the people who love the sport.

in GPweek.com (magazine issue 147)


http://img547.imageshack.us/img547/3971/faferallysprintmichelle.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/547/faferallysprintmichelle.jpg/)
(not my photo)

and later to Jarmo Mahonen:


WRC's Commission President Jarmo Mahonen has explained the FIA’s discontent at many aspects of the traditional rounds of the world championship.[...] Regarding the position of other specific events, Mahonen said that Portugal has a very good rally but in the wrong place. “The FIA want the event back in the north of the country, and the organisers have said that they are ready to leave the Algarve.”

in GPweek.com (magazine issue 155)


It won't be long until the Rally returns to the good old stages. :) Either it returns or it will parish of the calendar...

[Sardalense]

Fafe Rally Sprint 2013 confirmed! 6th of April

Notícias (http://www.rallydeportugal.pt/content.aspx?menuid=2&eid=437&bl=1)

[MAXLD]

Fafe Rally Sprint 2013 confirmed! 6th of April

Notícias (http://www.rallydeportugal.pt/content.aspx?menuid=2&eid=437&bl=1)

Best news so far this year, I bet even more people will attend this second time, it's gonna be massive. . :) And i'ts another important test for the return of the Rally itself to the good old "cathedral" in 2014, hope everything goes well.

I would like to see a good media coverage there from the teams, with those new drones and so on... it will be a good opportunity for photo/video marketing, not only for them but for the sport itself(precisely what FIA wants to boost).

[HarriK]

I just bought fligts to Faro and apartment hotel from Albufeira :)
7-15 april there. Hopefully good weather, I will spend my winter holiday at same time :D

[Kielder]

Poster of the dessert for II Fafe Rally Sprint :D :

http://sphotos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/19586_477590705611556_1338724491_n.jpg

[tobbe3]

Looking forward to Rally de Portugal!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFRF5QWm2SQ

[Kielder]

The organisation has been uploading some videos. On this one you can see some historic images:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOfMCqh6hgU

[Kielder]

Specifically, the above video was uploaded by ACP (Automóvel Club de Portugal).
I take advantage to post a pic of mine from last year. I'll miss this year the stages close to Tavira.

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee510/OAnibal/DSC09984_zpsb463953c.jpg

[HarriK]

Hopefully it's not that wet weather all the week when I'm there :)

[dodgey1]

my 1st visit to rally Portugal. Any tips on where to watch and do you have to pay to get to stages? thanks

[Francis44]

my 1st visit to rally Portugal. Any tips on where to watch and do you have to pay to get to stages? thanks

Nice, I hope you enjoy the rally and your stay.

Theres no need to pay to go to stages. There is a rally pass option which costs around 175€ (per person) which grants you 2 exclusive spectator zones per day and exclusive parking around the service park, plus some minor souvenirs. In my opinion it's not worth the money and it's not mandatory. Unfortunately here we dont have much freedom when it comes to choose spots, we tend to stay in spectator zones which are chosen by the organization and usually they are ok. Every year the organizers put up in Youtube a video (Rally de Portugal 2012 ZE 13 Tavira - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJ3kcIlOw2k)) of all spectator zones, usually one month before start, so you can choose where you want to go, they also give a pretty description on how to acess the stages.

[pucky54]

There is a rally pass option which costs around 175€ (per person) which grants you 2 exclusive spectator zones per day and exclusive parking around the service park, plus some minor souvenirs. In my opinion it's not worth the money and it's not mandatory.

One big point for the rally pass is, that you have service park access, "normal spectators" only have rally village access

[MartijnS]

Last year there was no difference at the servicepark whit or without pass. Didn't read into it now whether that changed though.. Who would pay 175 euro to be able to go to the service park anyway? :)

[Plan9]

Will the Mentos Mini SPC project start on this event finally?

[PLuto]

Will the Mentos Mini SPC project start on this event finally?

Yes

[Kielder]

Will the Mentos Mini SPC project start on this event finally?

Yes, it will.

[Swills11]

Hi, first post on here but was wondering if anybody had info with regards to this rally,,
third time in succession to this rally and last year we were given sat nav co-ordinates to every stage but this year they don't seem to be available on the website, I have tried to email acp twice but so far have had no reply, also can someone advise on how I put a welsh flag on my name ;-)
many thx Steve

[marcin75]

you have right

[marcin75]

Last year there was no difference at the servicepark whit or without pass. Didn't read into it now whether that changed though.. Who would pay 175 euro to be able to go to the service park anyway? :)
you have 100% right

[Phappy]

Hi, first post on here but was wondering if anybody had info with regards to this rally,,
third time in succession to this rally and last year we were given sat nav co-ordinates to every stage but this year they don't seem to be available on the website, I have tried to email acp twice but so far have had no reply, also can someone advise on how I put a welsh flag on my name ;-)
many thx Steve

Hi,

There is my first post here.

Regarding the information from the Rally Portugal, you already the rally guide on the website. of the rally. For the stages information I think that will appear son, normally it's one mouth early. But a differences from the last year are not big I think. You can look on youtube the stages of last year, and the organization has put videos of the spectator areas, they must be there even. I will see if I have the google earth file from last year, and you can have a ideia of the rally.

If you nedd further question, just ask.

Best regards,

[Kielder]

Bruno Magalhães will participate in the rally. He'll drive a Peugeot 207 S2000 of Delta Racing. It could be his only event of the season.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BE8DAOjCQAADghK.jpg:large

[ian123]

Hi,this will be my first time in Portugal ,any tips and where can you get the program's ,really looking forward to it and staying in villamoura. Cheers

[mArtini racing]

Hi,this will be my first time in Portugal ,any tips and where can you get the program's ,really looking forward to it and staying in villamoura. Cheers
Vilamoura is a good place to be in Portugal Rally. There are many options for accomodation, and in a big range of prices. Is near the Service Park too.

[mArtini racing]

I Have read that Kubica will be in this rally too, with a DS3RRC in WRC2 doing kilometers on gravel, and i have read too about a new Citroen Challenge using DS3R3T...

[EightGear]

Hi,this will be my first time in Portugal ,any tips and where can you get the program's ,really looking forward to it and staying in villamoura. Cheers

I've been on holiday to Portugal last summer, not far from Villamoura (Olhos d'Agua). From what I know the stages are quite far north, and Villamoura is right down south to the coast.

[Salist]

Could someone tell for me where will be the SS1 Mu stage? Thanks a lot!

[mArtini racing]

I've been on holiday to Portugal last summer, not far from Villamoura (Olhos d'Agua). From what I know the stages are quite far north, and Villamoura is right down south to the coast.

What you are saying is true, but the down south is the only place with accomodation and services. The SS zone in the north, is almost dessert and there are small groups of houses only, without any kind of accomodation or places where you can buy something. Services are all in the south coast line only. Because of all that, Vilamoura and Olhos de agua are very good choices

[pucky54]

Could someone tell for me where will be the SS1 Mu stage? Thanks a lot!

You can find the maps on the rallydeportugal.pt homepage, Mú is mostly the same as Felizes in the past

[Salist]

Many thanks pucky54.

[ian123]

Thanks for that folks,do I have to go to the services for a program or can ya get them at the stages

[Francis44]

Thanks for that folks,do I have to go to the services for a program or can ya get them at the stages

Many magazines will have the program but they are paid, sometimes in the service park they give free programs, but best option is to print it from the official website of the rally.

Autosport usually releases a pretty good magazine with all info of the rally a week before start. It even has descriptions and how to acess stages but it's only in portuguese.


What you are saying is true, but the down south is the only place with accomodation and services. The SS zone in the north, is almost dessert and there are small groups of houses only, without any kind of accomodation or places where you can buy something. Services are all in the south coast line only. Because of all that, Vilamoura and Olhos de agua are very good choices


There are some very good traditional tourism places close to stages, but I guess at this time of the year most wont even be open.

[Phappy]

To look for the public zone from last year you can look here youtube.com/user/acprallydeportugal.

Probaly in the next week you will have the public zones from this year on the rally web site. The shakedown is already on the site. Regarding the place to stay, you have lot of options. The best option is to stay in Albufeira, Loulé, Vilamoura, look this on booking per exemple. The oficial hotels of the rally is Dom Pedro chain and they have 3 hotels in Vilamoura.
It look a little far, but in 40 minutes you reach any stage, and you can see almost 8 stages all rally.

[Riven]

The official program will be launched with the Top Gear magazine (Portuguese version).

[ian123]

Thanks for the info will keep an eye on the website,staying at the hotel de golfe hopefully it's not too bad

[marcin75]

Hi,this will be my first time in Portugal ,any tips and where can you get the program's ,really looking forward to it and staying in villamoura. Cheers
I've been last year in Almancil. This year we go also to the same hotel (cheap, nice, good breakfast). It is not so far to Stadium (service Park) and to shakedown.

[Plan9]

Will Team Lotos/Motorsport Italia be in Portugal?

[HarriK]

I'm have booked a room from hotel Stella Maris (Albufeira) with my girlfriend. Hopefully some rally tourist there also. Also I have Avis car ( Polo or same kind :D ) to all 8 days. If someone needs ride I think we have room in our car :)

Also planning to buy Vodafone Prepaid Internet for my tablet PC to see results. Will see how difficult that is there to get :rolleyes:
(vita plus 3G fast prepaid internet in Portugal | The Laptop Junction (http://www.laptop-junction.com/toast/content/3g-fast-prepaid-internet-portugal))

[millbrook]

If someone is looking for a hirecar, I would recommend Algarve Car Hire | Faro Airport Lagos Rent a Car Rental, Hire Algarve | LUZCAR (http://www.luzcar.com).
Reliable, and much cheaper than major rental companies such as Avis, Hertz or Europcar.
Just don't search for a counter in the Faro airport terminal.
Their 'office' is either a desk in the airport terminal cafe or a van at the carpark.
Also very easy to use, their depot is the airport carpark, as with the major brands you first need a shuttle to bring you to their deport often a couple of kms from the airport.
Used it for the last two years, will do it again this year ;)

[A FONDO]

Brun Magalhaes said he will drive a 207. :)

[Bartolbia84]

Brun Magalhaes said he will drive a 207. :)

Only race season for Bruno Magalhenes ... There are hopes to see it in other rounds of the World Rally Championship?

Meanwhile, Lappi start's on Skoda Fabia S2000.

[Teardrop]

Prodrive confirmed weeks ago that there will be in the Rally of Portugal with new developments in the Mini. Jarkko Nikara already confirmed that will not race in Portugal. So, what pilot will have Prodrive in Portugal? Is Prodrive in trouble again? Prodrive is lying again?

[Mintexmemory]

Is Prodrive in trouble again? Prodrive is lying again?

Is the next Pope likely to be Catholic? Do young women lust after multi-millionaire Bernie Ecclestone for his charming manner and rugged good looks?
We demand facts !!!

[Bartolbia84]

Will Team Lotos/Motorsport Italia be in Portugal?

Kosciuszko sure, then spoke of the possibility of deploying a second Mini WRC, but I don't know if it is confirmed.

[pantealex]

Will Team Lotos/Motorsport Italia be in Portugal?
They have to drive all the races, that was in FIA site before season began. FIA said they can drive with MINI but they have to drive all the races.

[HarriK]

If someone is looking for a hirecar, I would recommend Algarve Car Hire | Faro Airport Lagos Rent a Car Rental, Hire Algarve | LUZCAR (http://www.luzcar.com).
Reliable, and much cheaper than major rental companies such as Avis, Hertz or Europcar.

Avis and 120euros to 8 days class C-car (polo)..not bad I think ;)
Look Avis-pages at night..those are half a price than in day time.. must be because office time is company based hiring at most...

[Phappy]

The public zone are already online in the website of the rally :D

[HarriK]

Just wondering are the stages open to public trafic before race? (after recce?)

[Francis44]

Just wondering are the stages open to public trafic before race? (after recce?)

They usually close a few hours before the beginning of the day in which the stage will run.

So a stage that runs April 11 is likely to be closed by the end of April 10.

[HarriK]

They usually close a few hours before the beginning of the day in which the stage will run.

So a stage that runs April 11 is likely to be closed by the end of April 10.

Thanks!
So I maybe try to do recce myself also :) It's like 180km stages to do and maybe 600km liaison distance between stages. 800km..not bad.

[millbrook]

I believe the stages close around midnight.
So, no problem to do your own recce during the days prior to the event.

Entries are closed now, hope a provisional list of entries gets online soon.

[Hartusvuori]

Finnish 2WD driver Andreas Amberg announced today he will start his JWRC campaign in Portugal.

Andreas Amberg - FIA Junior Rally Championship series 2013 - Andreasamberg.com (http://www.andreasamberg.com/uutiset.php)

[mArtini racing]

Finnish 2WD driver Andreas Amberg announced today he will start his JWRC campaign in Portugal.



Good news, it seems that we'll have a good composed entry list from the first cars to the last ones, in this Portugal rally!

[mArtini racing]

I believe the stages close around midnight.
So, no problem to do your own recce during the days prior to the event.

Entries are closed now, hope a provisional list of entries gets online soon.

Usually, last years the stages were closed at 17:00 the day before.

[tommeke_B]

The NCRS-team (www.ncrs.be (http://www.ncrs.be)) will enter with 2 crews. Philip Cracco - Wim Soenens (Peugeot 207 S2000) and Pieter-Jan Michiel Cracco - Fred Miclotte (Peugeot 208 R2). Both crews should be on DMACK tyres... :)

[Riven]

70 cars, around 14 Wrc's, not bad for this days. Rumours are that Hanninen is also in the entry list.

[vino_93]

no Fiesta WRC for Philip ?

[Teardrop]

70 cars, around 14 Wrc's, not bad for this days. Rumours are that Hanninen is also in the entry list.
Source? How do you know that are 70 cars and around 14 WRC´s?

[jbmarcus21]

Google Earth Map Rally Portugal 13 is now online Wrc Vodafone Rally de Portugal 2013 (http://planetemarcus.com/saison-wrc/portugal-2013/)

[Teardrop]

My predictions for WRC's...Unofficial...

Confirmed (#12)
Hirvonen - Citroen DS3 WRC
Sordo - Citroen DS3 WRC
Al Qassimi - Citroen DS3 WRC
Ostberg - Ford Fiesta WRC
Novikov - Ford Fiesta WRC
Neuville - Ford Fiesta WRC
Al-Attiyah - Ford Fiesta WRC
Prokop - Ford Fiesta WRC
Ogier - VW Polo WRC
Latvala - VW Polo WRC
Mikkelsen - VW Polo WRC
Kosciuszco - MINI John Cooper Works WRC

Doubts?
Hanninen - Ford Fiesta WRC?
Prodrive Driver? - MINI John Cooper Works WRC?
(...)

[tommeke_B]

no Fiesta WRC for Philip ?
The Fiesta WRC / RRC will be delivered in asphalt-kit only. The current plan with it is to compete in the Belgian championship (Ypres + preparation event with RRC), and maybe some WRC-asphalt event, but nothing is sure yet.

[Riven]

Source? How do you know that are 70 cars and around 14 WRC´s?

None. Pure especulation.

[Priorat]

Google Earth Map Rally Portugal 13 is now online Wrc Vodafone Rally de Portugal 2013 (http://planetemarcus.com/saison-wrc/portugal-2013/)

Merci JB

[Riven]

70 cars, around 14 Wrc's, not bad for this days. Rumours are that Hanninen is also in the entry list.

Sorry I was wrong, my prediction is:

71 Entries
13 WRC's (including Hanninen)

[Rasantes]

Prodrive Driver? - MINI John Cooper Works WRC?
(...)

Jarkko Nikara

Jarkko Nikara to compete in Prodrive Mini in WRC Rally Portugal - WRC news - AUTOSPORT.com (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/105519)

[Sardalense]

Entry List: Notícias (http://www.rallydeportugal.pt/content.aspx?menuid=2&eid=471&bl=1)

71 entries
13 WRC
9 RRC
9 S2000

[EightGear]

Hanninen! :)

[Mirek]

Very very nice list!

[pucky54]

Jarkko Nikara

Jarkko Nikara to compete in Prodrive Mini in WRC Rally Portugal - WRC news - AUTOSPORT.com (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/105519)

Strange, not on the entry list ;)

[mousti]

Indeed, Barrable join his mate Fisher with a Fiesta S2000 (probably the Fiesta that Alastair uses). Interesting what Elfyn, Lappi, Kubica, Magalhaes, Wiegand and Al Rajhi can do there

[HarriK]

Jarkko Nikara

Jarkko Nikara to compete in Prodrive Mini in WRC Rally Portugal - WRC news - AUTOSPORT.com (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/105519)


quite an old rumour... from february

[Hartusvuori]

Strange, not on the entry list ;)

That was "changed" to Sardegna last week, I suppose.

Altogether very nice entry list for Portugal, first for Hänninen of course and secondly many interesting names at the back of the field, Kubica, Lappi, Cronin, Bouffier, Evans, Barrable, Gilbert, Chardonnet, JWRC drivers, ...

[[WRCRR]]

Quite amazing entry list especially in WRC2. Crazy improvement in entries compared to last year. WRC could be better though...

[Rasantes]

quite an old rumour... from february

Old rumour??

prodrive (http://www.prodrive.com/p_releases.html?id=372)

[mArtini racing]

I think's a quite good entry list anyway, waiting for seeing the battle on the DS3R3T cup too!!

[urabus-denoS2000]

Great entry list, very interested to see what Hanninen and Mikkelsen can do. Also, Hirvonen and Sordo must show some speed or it will be very bad for Citroen. Nice to see finally some real S2000/RRC competition, to see what the Rally King can do :) Bring on Portugal ;)

[Tom206wrc]

Yep I'm eager rally Portugal to start :bounce:

[WUff1]

Serious production car competition ahead!

[HarriK]

Old rumour??

prodrive (http://www.prodrive.com/p_releases.html?id=372)

Still..from february (11/2/2013) on that news. As said, Nikara's plans have been changed to Rally Sardegna.

[Georgi]

The entry list of the rally is really good.
If we don't count the WRC cars the rest is good enough :)

[Mintexmemory]

Wooof, a real problem to re-write the pickems driver list, think I'll have to exercise some judgement as to which WRC2 competitors won't be at the races. Great WRC2 field, great DS3 R3T field I'm going to have a prediction thread just for those 2 categories for this rally!

[Frostmourne]

Still..from february (11/2/2013) on that news. As said, Nikara's plans have been changed to Rally Sardegna.

Is it Nikara plans or Prodrive plans?

[rallyfiend]

Is it Nikara plans or Prodrive plans?

Gives him more time to come up with the money.

When you're a customer team like Prodrive, it is ALWAYS the customer who makes the decisions....

[Andre Oliveira]

Shame, that no Bernardo Sousa.

I has a dream: Carlos Sainz on WRC Fafe Rally Sprint :)

[Frostmourne]

Bah, it seems Prodrive is having really hard time to make anyone interested in their cars, or is it no one willing to sponsor some rally drivers.. I think it is a matter of both :(

[efe-e]

10 FIA Junior entries. Fantastic.

It's good to see a Young Turkish Star which has Rallying in his DNA, Murat Bostanci, at JWRC.

Good luck mate, may the force be with you.

[MAXLD]

Shame, that no Bernardo Sousa.

I has a dream: Carlos Sainz on WRC Fafe Rally Sprint :)

Would be funny to see the "old-timer" going for it on a classic stage he knows so well. :)
One I would invite to the party: Gigi Galli... someone lend him an Evo and a pay him a plane ticket... show in return would be priceless. :vader:

[RS]

What are Bouffier's plans? Strange to see him there in that car!

[Andre Oliveira]

http://img.motorpasionf1.com/2013/03/sainz_vw_2013.jpg

[PLuto]

Martin Koci was today testing before Rally Portugal, gallery is here - Autosport (http://www.autosport.cz/clanek.php?cl=14996)

http://www.autosport.cz/img/clanky/071c1d5fdf877ea734d519f038ee4ddd.jpghttp://www.autosport.cz/img/clanky/e727606f9e811463d3f4fdcbf8f802ba.jpg

[Phappy]

Hi,

Great entry list in did, I would like to saw what Nikara could do in the Prodrive Mini, it's a shame. Probaly they will come back, how knows :D

For it's strange as well to see Buffier in a DS3, but I want to see what he can do in a car like this. Very good news to see Haninnen back in Fiesta WRC.

For who want to come to Portugal the videos of the public zones are online on youtube already, the links are on the webpage of the rally. :)

[Kielder]

As usual, RTP will broadcast live stages of Rally Portugal. This year they'll be a total of 5: Lisbon once and Loule and Almodovar twice.
After following the morning stages, I'll watch SS5 Lisbon comfortably in an apartment on the Algarve. :)

[Andre Oliveira]

My dream can be true




Carlos Sainz provável em Fafe

Dice el refrán, que "es de bien nacido, ser agradecido", pués eso mismo es lo que piensan los directivos de la marca alemana con el grandísimo Carlos Sainz.

El año pasado, los organizadores del WRC, propusieron a los promotores del rally de portugal, la organización de varios tramos del antiguo rally de portugal, en las inmediaciones de la ciudad lusa de FAFE. Nació en Fafé Rally Sprint, una prueba de exhibición que congregó a casi 100.000 aficionados y que fué un grandísimo exito, tanto para los aficionados como para las marcas que participaron.

Este año se volverá a hacer en Fafé el día 6 de Abril, con 3 tramos cronometrados donde la espectacularidad de los tramos y el calor de los pilotos volverá a poner a todos los aficionados al rojo vivo.

Todavía no hay lista definitiva de inscritos, se sabe que todos los pilotos que correrán en Portugal estarán en Fafé, pero hoy a saltado la noticia desde Alemania, pues VW quiere poner a Sainz a los mandos de un Polo para agradecer su labor en el desarrollo y así volver a juntar a una de las parejas más famosas en el mundial, Sainz y Moya.

Pero no tiremos las campanas al vuelo, pues parece ser que Sainz habría declinado el ofrecimiento y le pasaría el honor a Andreas Mikkelsen.

Si al final todo va para delante, creo que las cunetas de Fafé se van a quedar pequeñas pues todos los españoles iríamos en masa a ver a nuestro piloto de rallies más grande

In: Rally-Magazine

[Kielder]

That's old news (13th May). He refused to drive the Polo there :( . If there is a third VW driver in Fafe, he'll be Mikkelsen :) .

[ian123]

Is it worth while getting a satnav for the stages?ive never used one before or the maps on the program good enough

[Sardalense]

20 days to go Road to the WRC Fafe Rally Sprint 2013 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNywDdr4igM&feature=share) :D

[Teardrop]

Unique passion!

[marcin75]

hallo, can anyone recommend me a local car rental in Lisbon. I can't find any car cheaper than 140 euro from 10th to 14th April.

[ian123]

Try travel supermarket.com, I got mine for £50 10th until 15th

[marcin75]

Try travel supermarket.com, I got mine for £50 10th until 15th
thanx a lot :)

[pucky54]

Campedelli late entry for Citroen Top Drivers???

[Barreis]

Full list is on iRally app.

[Tom206wrc]

Campedelli late entry for Citroen Top Drivers???


Indeed it's great news ;)

[Phappy]

There is Latvala Test

facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.359742027468609.1073741831.261046714004808&type=1

[Kielder]

Fafe is waiting...

http://sphotos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/577513_448705538539988_1603282014_n.jpg

[Kielder]

Ogier & Mikkelsen will be the pair of VW in Fafe. The team confirmed it.

[tolis]

Ogier & Mikkelsen will be the pair of VW in Fafe. The team confirmed it.
They were afraid to give the car to Latvala... :D

[Bartek]

Ogier & Mikkelsen will be the pair of VW in Fafe. The team confirmed it.

Citroen and M-Sport will be there?

[Kielder]

Citroen and M-Sport will be there?

Yes, they will. The organizers of the Rally de Portugal confirmed months ago that the three official teams will be present in Fafe. The drivers share the car, so they run the stage once. The fastest of each team take part in the final.

[Kielder]

Fafe Rally Sprint's website is out: http://www.cm-fafe.pt/wrcfafe/ (http://t.co/Roau8tVJG8)

[ian123]

Ok I got myself a satnav,is there going to be coordinates to the stages ?

[Mikkaki]

PG Andersson will drive Ford Fiesta RRC in Portugal if FIA let him drive!

P-G Andersson erbjuds plats i WRC-satsning - Rally | Autosport.cc (http://www.autosport.cc/rally/generell/P-G-Andersson-erbjuds-plats-i-WRC-satsning-653.aspx)

He will drive Tamrazovs Fiesta.

[Francis44]

Ok I got myself a satnav,is there going to be coordinates to the stages ?

Here Onde Ver (http://www.rallydeportugal.pt/contentlist.aspx?menuid=216) .

Choose the stage and then you will have coordinates for each spectator zone.

[ian123]

That's great,thanx a lot for that

[ian123]

Ok I'm looking at the spectator zones, it gives Spectacularity,access and visibility then numbers 1 -3 which is best to go by

[ETGeorgieva]

Ok I'm looking at the spectator zones, it gives Spectacularity,access and visibility then numbers 1 -3 which is best to go by

Hello,
I have one question about the stages in this year'r Rally de Portugal. Do you know which are the stages without asfalt/offroad?? Thank you in advance!

[Sardalense]

Hello,
I have one question about the stages in this year'r Rally de Portugal. Do you know which are the stages without asfalt/offroad?? Thank you in advance!

Mú is the only stage with 100% gravel surface. Ourique has 100/200m of tarmac in the begining, Santana da Serra has 100m in the middle, Vascão has 1/1.5 km, Loulé has 100m, Almodovar has 2/3 km (new section) and Loulé has 200/300m of tarmac in the begining of the stage.

[Andre Oliveira]

WRC Fafe Rally Sprint entry list (http://www.ewrc-results.com/startlist.php?e=8477&t=WRC-Fafe-Rally-Sprint-2013)

[arko5]

Kubica will be also there. I hope that he will not be push all the time ;)

[Tom206wrc]

WRC Fafe Rally Sprint entry list (http://www.ewrc-results.com/startlist.php?e=8477&t=WRC-Fafe-Rally-Sprint-2013)


Why Bertelli in a Subaru whereas he currently drives a Fiesta RRC in Rally Ciocco :confused:

[Andre Oliveira]

He will do Portugal with Subaru too.

[mousti]

Why Bertelli in a Subaru whereas he currently drives a Fiesta RRC in Rally Ciocco :confused:

Looks obvious that it's an money issue and that his sponsors can invest a bit more for Italian rallies instead of rallies who are abroad.

[Kielder]

Looks obvious that it's an money issue and that his sponsors can invest a bit more for Italian rallies instead of rallies who are abroad.

I don't think so...

MAXRALLY - Who do you think you are? Lorenzo Bertelli? (http://www.maxrally.com/2013/03/19/who-do-you-think-you-are-lorenzo-bertelli)
Miuccia Prada - 2013 Billionaires Richest Women - Forbes (http://www.forbes.com/pictures/mmk45hiif/miuccia-prada/)

[Barreis]

Looks obvious that it's an money issue and that his sponsors can invest a bit more for Italian rallies instead of rallies who are abroad.
No stickers on his car except some matie stuff. :D

[dupanton]

Looks obvious that it's an money issue and that his sponsors can invest a bit more for Italian rallies instead of rallies who are abroad.

Maybe it has something to do with the conversion from Tarmac to Gravel Spec?

[pantealex]

Why Bertelli in a Subaru whereas he currently drives a Fiesta RRC in Rally Ciocco :confused:

There is "Production Cup" inside WRC-2

[Rallying UK]

Any news on P-G being allowed to contest Rally de Portugal?

[pantealex]

Any news on P-G being allowed to contest Rally de Portugal?

what about Campedelli? he is only in at citroen press release, not in the entrylist.

[pucky54]

what about Campedelli? he is only in at citroen press release, not in the entrylist.

He is on entry list!

[Zeropt]

Stage route and spectator zones:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fq0-TO1piOU

[MAXLD]

I hope the rain stops in the next few days... meteorology predictions are for rain during next week, stopping precisely on day 6 (Fafe event). Although predictions so far ahead are very inacurate, I hope this time they aren't... some nice sunny weather would be perfect for the Sprint, although a cloudy one like last year would be good enough.

[Kielder]

Portuguese TV RTP2 will broadcast live the II Fafe Rally Sprint on the 6th of April from 2:30 PM.
If you missed the 2012 event: http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLEFFAF2081A980DBB&feature=playlist-comment … (http://t.co/Zb2l63BiwR)Eight days left to feel it!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiP9GHbdw4Y&feature=youtu.behttp://t.co/Zb2l63BiwR

[bluuford]

I just counted that Kubica has done at least 23 rallies (many of them were very short). Am I correct when I say that this is his first ever event on gravel?

[Kielder]

I just counted that Kubica has done at least 23 rallies (many of them were very short). Am I correct when I say that this is his first ever event on gravel?

Yes, you are. His gravel experience is limited to just 40 miles in one of his own Group N cars.

Robert Kubica to get advice from Sebastien Loeb on WRC debut - WRC news - AUTOSPORT.com (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/106437)

[mArtini racing]

Very good news about the transmission of Fafe Rallysprint at RTP2!!!!

Another 2012 sample:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyx9MqYfxfA

[Rallying UK]

RALLY DE PORTUGAL POLL: Who do you think will win Rally de Portugal? Vote now! WHO WILL WIN RALLY DE PORTUGAL 2013? Survey (http://surveymonkey.com/s/V2M6VXN)

[HarriK]

Weather starts to look better! 10 day forecast Albufeira - Foreca.com (http://www.foreca.com/Portugal/Albufeira?tenday)

[HarriK]

Did Portugal recce-plan for myself :)









Liaison 1

50,1


ss12/14
Silves
21,5


Liaison 2
(ss12-ss1)
5


ss1/3
Mu
20,3


Liaison 3
(ss1-ss2)
33,1


ss2/4
Ourique
18,3


Liaison 4
(ss2-ss6)
35


ss6/9
Santana Da Serra
31,2


Liaison 5
(ss6-s13)
4


ss13/15
Almodovar (2 = powerstage)
52,3


Liaison 6
(ss13-ss7)
10


ss7/10
Vascao
25,4


Liaison 7
(ss7-ss8)
3


ss8/10
Loule
22,8


Liaison 8
(ss8- service)
45








Liaison total
185,2



SS total
191,8

[tommeke_B]

@ HarriK, but you have to do that recce on a day nobody is doing recce... ;) So not tuesday or wednesday... Or do the stages they're not doing recce on that day.. :)

[tolis]

Kikireshko's car for Portugal

http://sphotos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/575845_449721945104598_1040412505_n.jpg

[pucky54]

Pirelli? Michelin? :D :D

[HarriK]

@ HarriK, but you have to do that recce on a day nobody is doing recce... ;) So not tuesday or wednesday... Or do the stages they're not doing recce on that day.. :)

Tommeke_B: trust me, I know ;)
Monday is my recce day.

[tommeke_B]

Plenty of time then... I should be arriving on monday afternoon. When watching onboards, you don't see anyone around the stages except for the public areas. Is it really that strict there?

[Francis44]

Plenty of time then... I should be arriving on monday afternoon. When watching onboards, you don't see anyone around the stages except for the public areas. Is it really that strict there?

Unfortunately yes.

[EightGear]

Confirmation from Emil Axelsson on twitter that he and PG will drive Tamrazov's Fiesta.

[millbrook]

It is....
The GNR - Guarda Nacional Republicana - infantry are extremely unpersuadble...
It's not even allowed to cross the road or walk on the track 1,5 hours before the start of the stage...
The different 'ZE' are the only option


Plenty of time then... I should be arriving on monday afternoon. When watching onboards, you don't see anyone around the stages except for the public areas. Is it really that strict there?

[Kielder]

It is....
The GNR - Guarda Nacional Republicana - infantry are extremely unpersuadble...
It's not even allowed to cross the road or walk on the track 1,5 hours before the start of the stage...
The different 'ZE' are the only option

They're not the only option. It's true that GNR & Marshalls are very strict, though there are stages which are very long and you can find some zones without any of them. Moreover, the famous jump in Ourique (this year it's part of Almodovar) isn't a ZE but it's always plenty of spectators. These five years I've always watched the rally at some non-ZE places (two or three each year). I'll do it again this year. Of course, some hours spent on Google Earth and experience are needed.
On the other hand, you are almost always allowed to cross the road or walk on the track too. There are some places, for example Santana da Serra, where they allow to cross the stage between two cars. That's what I did it last year because I moved to Sambro on the first loop on Sunday.

[Mikkaki]

PG Andersson

- "I am very grateful to Oleksii giving us this opportunity. It will be really fun to drive WRC in this competitive car and I will of course go and run for victory" laughs PG.

He will drive an Fiesta S2000, not RRC that I wrote earlier.

So much fun to see him in a competitive car :D

[[WRCRR]]

Is Cherepin going to be Andersson's co-driver or can they change that? Normally after the entry list is closed only either the driver or the co-driver can be changed...

[tolis]

No, they'll change it!

[bluuford]

Livery for Sander Pärn:
Vaata, milline näeb välja Sander Pärna uue disainiga sinimustvalge Ford - Sport, Auto ja Moto - Postimees.ee (http://sport.postimees.ee/1189624/vaata-milline-naeb-valja-sander-parna-uue-disainiga-sinimustvalge-ford)

[ian123]

Is there any stages with good jumps,I'm arriving on the 10th so I can't have a look at any of them ,being my first time at the rally any help would be great

[Luis Pacheco]

RTP broadcasting live stages: http://www.ralisonline.net/pt/images/stories/2013/ABRIL2013/horariostrans13.jpg

[Rasantes]

RTP broadcasting live stages: http://www.ralisonline.net/pt/images/stories/2013/ABRIL2013/horariostrans13.jpg

Those times are from last year, not this.

[Kielder]

Those times are from last year, not this.

They're OK. Only the year is wrong.

[Zeropt]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/7167_516087715104028_745185289_n.jpg

Scottish flag painted - check!

Colin Forever! :up:

[Francis44]

How about a portuguese flag instead of that?!

[Jarno Sirkka]

no hanninen portugal :(

[Luis Pacheco]

Last year the Super special stage at Jerónimos was at 19h00 ?????

[Luis Pacheco]

Those times are from last year, not this. Last year the Super special stage at Jerónimos was at 19h00 ????? I don´t think so...

[Kielder]

Scottish flag painted - check!

Colin Forever! :up:

We can also see "If in doubt, flat out" written on the asphalt :) .


How about a portuguese flag instead of that?!

If you had seen how Colin did the downhill at Confurco you wouldn't say that.

[Zeropt]

How about a portuguese flag instead of that?!

It wasn`t me, someone shared this picture on fb. ;)

[Rasantes]

They're OK. Only the year is wrong.

Right, now watching it again match days and other times.

[HarriK]

no hanninen portugal :(

I don't like this.

"Eastern Savo: Hänninen withdraws from the Portuguese Rally

Published on 04/03/2013 15:09

M-Sport Ford Rally this season pushed Juho Hänninen withdraws from the Portuguese Rally for personal reasons, says the Eastern Savo-Journal website.
Portuguese rally driving 11 to 14. April. Hänninen's future plans will make after the race.
- Personal reasons solved it, I do not drive in Portugal. I made my decision between the non-competition yesterday, Hänninen commented on the Eastern Savo province on Wednesday.
Hänninen has been driven by two races this season in Qatar with M-Sport Fiesta. Monte Carlo and Sweden, he cut handsomely finished sixth.

[Rasantes]

I don't like... :(

[Bartolbia84]

Colin Clark ‏@voiceofrally (https://twitter.com/voiceofrally)12m (https://twitter.com/voiceofrally/status/319440069901574144)
No Hanninen for Rally Portugal. Decision made yesterday, personal reasons given for him withdrawing. Hope to see him back soon!

[Teardrop]

I don't like this.

"Eastern Savo: Hänninen withdraws from the Portuguese Rally

Published on 04/03/2013 15:09

M-Sport Ford Rally this season pushed Juho Hänninen withdraws from the Portuguese Rally for personal reasons, says the Eastern Savo-Journal website.
Portuguese rally driving 11 to 14. April. Hänninen's future plans will make after the race.
- Personal reasons solved it, I do not drive in Portugal. I made my decision between the non-competition yesterday, Hänninen commented on the Eastern Savo province on Wednesday.
Hänninen has been driven by two races this season in Qatar with M-Sport Fiesta. Monte Carlo and Sweden, he cut handsomely finished sixth.
Is there any chance of M-sport use another driver in Portugal with the car that was to Hanninen?

[Luis Pacheco]

Is there any chance of M-sport use another driver in Portugal with the car that was to Hanninen?

Armindo!!!!!

[rallyfiend]

Is there any chance of M-sport use another driver in Portugal with the car that was to Hanninen?

Depends if they can find someone to pay for it.

I imagine they'll just withdraw it and get their entry fee back.

[MartijnS]

Dennis Kuipers will drive Hanninen his car!

http://www.qatarmsportwrt.com/news-at-qatar-m-sport/kuipers-gets-qatar-m-sport-call-up-for-portugal.html

[Hartusvuori]

M-Sport send their wishes to Juho and his family, but look forward to working with Dennis and Robin once again.


Colin Clark ‏@voiceofrally (https://twitter.com/voiceofrally) Message from Juho, good to see he’s still positive! “Don’t worry, we are working hard with rest of the year and will see you somewhere!”

All the best for Juho.

[darkstar]

what has happened with hänninen, does anyone know?

[Allyc85]

I did see one rumour from a Cech source on FB that he has been linked with Hyundai and so lost his seat at Ford.

[PLuto]

I did see one rumour from a Cech source on FB that he has been linked with Hyundai and so lost his seat at Ford.

Yes, he is linked to Hyundai according to finish YLE 2 TV. But if this change is because of this rumour or there are another problems, we dont know...

[Kielder]

The reason of the withdrawal is implicit on the M-Sport's press release and on the Kuipers' words. All the best and respect.

[Kielder]

Dennis Kuipers will drive Hanninen his car!

KUIPERS GETS QATAR M-SPORT CALL UP FOR PORTUGAL (http://www.qatarmsportwrt.com/news-at-qatar-m-sport/kuipers-gets-qatar-m-sport-call-up-for-portugal.html)

He did a good job last year being able to survive, to say the least. On the other hand, he even beat Ogier face to face :D !

[Kielder]

I got speechless...

http://sphotos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/67922_408555179241595_1978888731_n.jpg

[Hartusvuori]

Yes, he is linked to Hyundai according to finish YLE 2 TV. But if this change is because of this rumour or there are another problems, we dont know...

Juho and Hyundai rumour in Finnish tv was already two weeks ago. That same program was also where I first heard about Juho's Ford plans and Lappi's Skoda chance, so they're onto something at times. However, if this withdrewal is linked to that, that's harsh.

[MartijnS]

Ogier won't be at Fafe rallysprint, he's got the flue.

[Teardrop]

[quote="MartijnS"]Ogier won't be at Fafe rallysprint, he's got the flue.[/QUOTE
Latvala?

[Hartusvuori]

Only Mikkelsen according to VW Motorsport press release.


Ogier forced to withdraw from “Fafe Rally Sprint”
Volkswagen rally driver Sébastien Ogier (F) has been forced to withdraw from the legendary “Fafe Rally Sprint” on Saturday on medical grounds. The Frenchman had intended participating in the show event held near Porto with co-driver Julien Ingrassia (F) in preparation for Portugal’s round of the FIA World Rally Championship (11 – 14 April).

“Unfortunately I have been laid low by an influenza infection, leading my doctor to insist that I withdraw,” regrets Ogier. “I would really have liked to participate in this unique event, but my World Rally Championship commitments must take precedence. I hope the fans understand that.”

However, one Volkswagen Polo R WRC will take the start in Fafe, driven by Andreas Mikkelsen (N) and his co-driver Mikko Markkula (FIN). The Nordic duo will give it their all in front of the 100 000 spectators who are expected to pack the 6,34 kilometre course on 06 April, as the crew targets not only victory, but also the world record on one of the most spectacular jumps in rallying. Currently the record stands at 73,5 metres, set by Armin Schwarz in a Škoda Octavia WRC in 2000.

After the event the Volkswagen team heads for the Rally Portugal, which starts with qualifying on 11 April and ends with a podium ceremony in the Algarve Stadium near Faro on 14 April.

[Zeropt]

Not understanding, and don`t liking it at all, why VW insists on not allowing JM Latvala to participate on Fafe Rally Sprint... :down:

[A FONDO]

Not understanding, and don`t liking it at all, why VW insists on not allowing JM Latvala to participate on Fafe Rally Sprint... :down:

Me neither. Why did they sign him at all? It was obvious what his performance will be. Let him bin it everywhere or fire him immediately.

[Mirek]

Martin Hudec will be most likely missing too.

[Francis44]

Hopefully Ogier will get better for the rally itself ;) .

[ian123]

Where is the service area and can
you get In to it

[Andre Oliveira]

VW could ask Sainz or Armindo to replace Ogier at Fafe :)

[Kielder]

They won't replace Ogier because his withdraw doesn't change the number of runs of the car. What is more, it's better for Mikkelsen and for the car itself.

[tommeke_B]

VW could ask Sainz or Armindo to replace Ogier at Fafe :) Why should VW ask Araujo?

[rallyfiend]

Why should VW ask Araujo?

Why should anyone after his little efforts after being sacked....

[Teardrop]

They won't replace Ogier because his withdraw doesn't change the number of runs of the car. What is more, it's better for Mikkelsen and for the car itself.

This is all true, but the event it's for the public...to everyone have fun. This is the main goal of the event. Because of this, the more drivers are present in Fafe better. The option of VW does not make sense.

[Tom206wrc]

Why no Citroën Top Driver participants in Fafe Rallysprint :confused:

[Luis Pacheco]

VW could ask Sainz or Armindo to replace Ogier at Fafe :)

Lollllll

[Allyc85]

http://sphotos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/485372_439842616108773_1955185893_n.jpg

What a nice touch from Msport :)

[Rasantes]

Bruno Maglhaes livery for Portugal and Azores

https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/561450_510309682363803_1264433849_n.jpg

[stefanvv]

What a nice touch from Msport :)

I don't think this would help much

[Andre Oliveira]

Why should VW ask Araujo?

Because he is the best portuguese driver and it could be a marketing move to portuguese fans.

[tommeke_B]

Because he is the best portuguese driver and it could be a marketing move to portuguese fans.Maybe the best Portuguese driver (I would like to see him in a 207 S2000 against Magalhaes, to prove it, IF he is faster...), but certainly not the best sportsman. Since he lost his place at Mini, he has not been driving anymore... If you give up so quickly you're not getting anywhere.

[MAXLD]

VW could ask Sainz or Armindo to replace Ogier at Fafe :)

With the Sainz option I agree, his first refuse was "bearable", but with such circumstances I think Carlos should take the wheel even if he didn't drive the car lately (he developed the car, lol, wouldn't be that hard to drive it again).

With Armindo, although he didn't deserve at all what MotorsportItalia did to him, unfortunately I don't see a very good reason for VW to pick him. He's a local and knows the stage well, sure, but he hasn't competed at all in any rally event since the Mini mess, he's always very "cautious" even when there's not a lot to loose (Fafe last year, for example). And if they wanted a local driver, there's plenty of active younger Portuguese drivers with talent and willing for a chance (although not having WRC experience)... but would be a miracle for a team like VW to give the car to any of them. It would be more certain VW to pick a young driver from ERC / WRC2 or something.

Besides, all this is quite "good" to VW, since it's the first time Mikkelsen will enter a championship event with the Polo later this month and he needs all the experience with the car he can get. He'll do double the runs and double the Kms with the car, giving him precious infos to setup the car to gravel stages.

It's just sad that the even looses a big name like Ogier... only Sainz would fit in perfectly considering his popularity and history in that stage. Or Jari-Matti... but that one is still a mystery case for missing the event.

[Andre Oliveira]

Armindo have more experience with WRC than Bruno. Armindo did not drive because it is difficult a portuguese driver have budget (Bruno stopped to). I like the 2 guys, but i see with my eyes years and years of portuguese rallyes, and Armindo are a pure talent and a good development driver. I see him win rallyes and champs with Saxo Kit Car against 4WD cars, and with Mitsubishi Lancer against Miguel Campos, Fernando Peres and others good drivers. Bruno are 3x time champion with S2000 against 1 S2000 (Pascoal) and little oponents.

eWRC-results.com - profile Bruno Magalhães (http://www.ewrc-results.com/profile.php?p=1245&t=Bruno-Magalhães)

eWRC-results.com - profile Armindo Araújo (http://www.ewrc-results.com/profile.php?p=229&t=Armindo-Araujo)

[Zeropt]

And in the end only Mikkelsen will go, great consideration for the thousand of spectators that will be there whating hours (like myselef who will be there from 3 AM...) to see their favorite drivers...

Erased comment from Volkswagen Motorsport (https://www.facebook.com/volkswagenmotorsport/posts/522164217840719?comment_id=5308569&offset=0&total_comments=4) Facebook page, i`m guessing they didn`t like what i wroute... :D

[dimviii]

Erased comment from Volkswagen Motorsport (https://www.facebook.com/volkswagenmotorsport/posts/522164217840719?comment_id=5308569&offset=0&total_comments=4) Facebook page, i`m guessing they didn`t like what i wroute... :D

what did you wrote?

[MAXLD]

Erased comment from Volkswagen Motorsport (https://www.facebook.com/volkswagenmotorsport/posts/522164217840719?comment_id=5308569&offset=0&total_comments=4) Facebook page, i`m guessing they didn`t like what i wroute... :D

Lol, Facebook is for marketing purposes only, no angry opinions allowed. :D

[Zeropt]

what did you wrote?

What is quoted in my reply, this: "And in the end only Mikkelsen will go, great consideration for the thousand of spectators that will be there whating hours (like myselef who will be there from 3 AM...) to see their favorite drivers..."

[Andre Oliveira]

Well writed Zeropt, i will arrive at 00:30.

[MAXLD]

http://sphotos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/485372_439842616108773_1955185893_n.jpg


Response from VW:


http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/3576/vwsebrecovery.png (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/268/vwsebrecovery.png/)



A case to say:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcxpbhM0DaA


:D

[RS]

Not understanding, and don`t liking it at all, why VW insists on not allowing JM Latvala to participate on Fafe Rally Sprint... :down:

Maybe they didn't take enough cars to be 'safe' to have one for the rally too?

[stefanvv]

@221
lol

[Zeropt]

Maybe they didn't take enough cars to be 'safe' to have one for the rally too?

Don`t think the single car they will be using at Fafe is one of the racing units, has most of the front teams VW will use a testing unit. ;)

[Juha_Koo]

Also completely possible that JML doesn't want to take part in the sprint because atleast in the past he has wanted the pre-rally time to be as calm as possible.

[tommeke_B]

Also completely possible that JML doesn't want to take part in the sprint because atleast in the past he has wanted the pre-rally time to be as calm as possible.

Maybe he should be less calm before the rally and more calm during... :D

[tolis]

Barrable's livery

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BHCXXFqCQAEr9g2.jpg:large

[Hartusvuori]

Barrable's livery

It's bearable.

What was his campaign for this season again?

[MAXLD]

Instituto Português do Mar e da Atmosfera (http://www.ipma.pt/en/index.html)

The gods must be rally fans, rain finally stops for today and tomorrow, giving us a partially/clear sky, and will return Sunday. Just perfect for the Rally Sprint event tomorrow.
Weak winds but the night will be a bit cold though, bring your coats. :)


PS: I just hope the same happens on the ERC Açores rally, those landscapes deserve a sunshine weather.

[LetsGoRacingBoys]

Is there a live stream for the Fafe Sprint?

[irish_tiger]

Instituto Português do Mar e da Atmosfera (http://www.ipma.pt/en/index.html)

The gods must be rally fans, rain finally stops for today and tomorrow, giving us a partially/clear sky, and will return Sunday. Just perfect for the Rally Sprint event tomorrow.
Weak winds but the night will be a bit cold though, bring your coats. :)


PS: I just hope the same happens on the ERC Açores rally, those landscapes deserve a sunshine weather.
And whats the forecast for next week ? Will i bring the rain gear or the suncream ? :D

[ian123]

Weather forecast Vilamoura next week


Friday
12-04

Saturday
13-04

Sunday
14-04

Monday
15-04

Tuesday
16-04

Wednesday
17-04

Thursday
18-04



Min
14 °C
15 °C
15 °C
16 °C
16 °C
17 °C
17 °C


Max
23 °C
24 °C
24 °C
25 °C
25 °C
25 °C
24 °C



Sun
75%
80%
75%
80%
75%
75%
70%



Precipitation
5%
10%
5%
10%
5%
15%
15%


Wind direction
S
SE
SE
E
E
SE
SE


Wind force
4
4
4
4

[ian123]

Happy days, better than 6c we have in belfast

[Kielder]

Is there a live stream for the Fafe Sprint?

Despite not being in Portugal, it should work:

Direto RTP2 - RTP Play - RTP (http://www.rtp.pt/play/direto/rtp2)

[dasmarque]

They're not the only option. It's true that GNR & Marshalls are very strict, though there are stages which are very long and you can find some zones without any of them. Moreover, the famous jump in Ourique (this year it's part of Almodovar) isn't a ZE but it's always plenty of spectators. These five years I've always watched the rally at some non-ZE places (two or three each year). I'll do it again this year. Of course, some hours spent on Google Earth and experience are needed.
On the other hand, you are almost always allowed to cross the road or walk on the track too. There are some places, for example Santana da Serra, where they allow to cross the stage between two cars. That's what I did it last year because I moved to Sambro on the first loop on Sunday.

Kielder,

I'm heading over from the USA next week with some friends for this rally again. It's our 3rd time going. Last year we had a lot of fun traveling "lost" through the countryside with GPS coordinates. We found a paved "race track" like road in the middle of one of those stages.

You mention some non-ZE places in your comment, I have Google Earth loaded up with all the stages for this years event. Would you be willing to exchange some words with me and sharing a few coordinates? I'm a photographer and would love to catch that jump in Ourique along with some others. I could PM you my e-mail address perhaps?

[Kielder]

Kielder,

I'm heading over from the USA next week with some friends for this rally again. It's our 3rd time going. Last year we had a lot of fun traveling "lost" through the countryside with GPS coordinates. We found a paved "race track" like road in the middle of one of those stages.

You mention some non-ZE places in your comment, I have Google Earth loaded up with all the stages for this years event. Would you be willing to exchange some words with me and sharing a few coordinates? I'm a photographer and would love to catch that jump in Ourique along with some others. I could PM you my e-mail address perhaps?

Of course you can send me a PM. I'll answer you on Sunday or Monday because today I'll be very busy working and preparing everything for Fafe. :)

[marcin75]

and better than 1c we have in Poland :)

[ian123]

and better than 1c we have in Poland :)

Lol, it will be my first time watching
a rally in the sun

[Rallying UK]

No - RTP block IP addresses outside of Portugal sadly. We'll have to rely on someone streaming it from Portugal on the day.

[MAXLD]

And whats the forecast for next week ? Will i bring the rain gear or the suncream ? :D

So far there's a low rain probability for next week to the South, but we never know, things can change in the next few days.

I don't think it will rain, but hey, don't take my word for granted, just like Gronholm: "I'm not a meteorolorologist". :D :D

[EightGear]

I don't think it will rain, but hey, don't take my word for granted, just like Gronholm: "I'm not a meteorolorologist". :D :D


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwukCdGKOdY&nofeather=True

[stefanvv]

No - RTP block IP addresses outside of Portugal sadly. We'll have to rely on someone streaming it from Portugal on the day.

I can watch RTP2 in Bulgaria, there is a problem with RTP1 though

PS: But you can try another link - http://www.casadossegredos.tv/rtp2

[bluuford]

I am leaving to Plymouth on Sunday and therefore not very up to date with all weather information for Portugal. initial data says that weather cannot be compared to 2012. Maybe not a single raindrop during the whole rally (Shakedown and Lisbon has the biggest possibility, but still very small possibility of light rain).
Nights will be cold (+5..+10) days warm (close to +20 on the hills and more in service), very light wind.

[ian123]

I take it dust masks would be
handy to bring lol

[ian123]

Despite not being in Portugal, it should work:

Direto RTP2 - RTP Play - RTP (http://www.rtp.pt/play/direto/rtp2)

got the streaming to work.what time is the fafe sprint due to start

[stefanvv]

got the streaming to work.what time is the fafe sprint due to start

I think 14:30 Portuguese/UK time

[ian123]

I think 14:30 Portuguese/UK time

Happy days cheers for that :)

[arko5]

Ss1 14.20
ss2 15.45
ss3 17.10