Congratulations Seb!

[ioan]

3 x F1 WDC!
Not bad at all. Keep up the good work.

[F1boat]

Yes, great result. It was such an exhausting championship win, but a richly deserved one, he never gave up. After Monza I thought that it is over for him. Fortunately, I was wrong!

[steveaki13]

Well done Seb.

He proved today is can pass in an attacking way and that he derserved this championship.

I feel for Alonso, but I am sure if he has a decent car next year he will battle again.

[jens]

Uugh... incredible to write now, while still living in emotions. What a race, what a conclusion to the season!!

As have been discussing before, it wasn't an easy season neither for Vettel nor for Red Bull. They had a challenging start to the season, they had a challenging middle part of the year. Seb had great dominant runs to race wins, he also had damage limitation fights to P4-P6's.

But Sebastian fought hard all year, sometimes even too hard as some of the penalties (Germany, Italy) he received, indicate. This was supposed to be a lesson to him, how hard can he race.

To be honest, I personally already lost hope after Monza. I felt that this is not his year, the car is not fast enough and from time-to-time he is having setbacks (reliability, penalties). So I was already thinking that „it’s fine, everyone can have a bad year, now it is someone else’s turn to win, let them win for a change”.

But a string of six podiums brought back the championship lead after a deficit of ~40 points to the leaderboard. Like the scenarios from 2010 and 2007, we have seen a WDC emerging after needing to come back from a long way behind.

My personal favourite moment of the year? Interestingly it is from a race, where RBR was struggling. The same race at Monza, where Vettel was doing his utmost to somehow keep up with the superior McLarens and Ferraris. His hard racing against Alonso reminded some of Schumi’s robust defences, but this time stewards thought it was too much. In any case, this was the race, where he had to fight hard, really hard – to avoid the WDC lead slipping away too far.

[Tazio]

Big ups to Seb on a great championship season!!

[truefan72]

I will give my congratulations slightly begrudgingly, but in fairness a WDC is won for an entire season's performance
so congrats Vettel

[donKey jote]

Congrats RedBull-Vettel :up:

Glad you at least had to sweat for it a little at the last race though :andrea:

[wedge]

Firstly I find it sad and pathetic when one announces that they have lost patience with F1 and leaves then comes back when their favourite driver is back to winning ways.

Congrats to Seb thogh he is just about a worthy champ and another title fight where at least one driver was better with least errors. His greatness will contineue to be questioned.

[jens]

His greatness will contineue to be questioned.

Does it really matter though? If you cross the line to win, you could care less if you are considered 1st, 2nd, 5th or 10th best driver on the grid. That's why I don't get into those "deseving" arguments. Those guys race for results - and the World Championship is the ultimate goal. If this has been achieved, nothing else matters. :)

[big_sw2000]

Still thuink this is a yellow flag, and he compleated the pass

AUSmotive.com (http://www.ausmotive.com/)

Steve

[wedge]

Does it really matter though? If you cross the line to win, you could care less if you are considered 1st, 2nd, 5th or 10th best driver on the grid. That's why I don't get into those "deseving" arguments. Those guys race for results - and the World Championship is the ultimate goal. If this has been achieved, nothing else matters. :)

If I had to rank the drivers Vettel would not be top but third.

He divides opinion, some remain to be convinced and it has been remarked that he has never replicated his first win.

The has been some magnificent drives: Belgium and Brazil I rate far, far greater than Abu Dhabi (BBC awarded it as drive of the year) but there has never been another great win which is probably makes me irksome and petty.

[Javi_racing]

Congrats to Sebastian, but I'm so sorry that the best driver in the whole season hasn't been champion :(

[gloomyDAY]

3 x F1 WDC!
Not bad at all. Keep up the good work.Yes, you're back! :)


To be honest, I personally already lost hope after Monza. I felt that this is not his year, the car is not fast enough and from time-to-time he is having setbacks (reliability, penalties). So I was already thinking that „it’s fine, everyone can have a bad year, now it is someone else’s turn to win, let them win for a change”.That penalty was stupid! Alonso did the same thing to Vettel, but that was just a racing incident. I never lost faith in Vettel. I knew he would fight for the WDC.


Congrats RedBull-Vettel :up:

Glad you at least had to sweat for it a little at the last race though :andrea: Sweat? Dude, I was slamming my fists on the table.


Firstly I find it sad and pathetic when one announces that they have lost patience with F1 and leaves then comes back when their favourite driver is back to winning ways.

Congrats to Seb thogh he is just about a worthy champ and another title fight where at least one driver was better with least errors. His greatness will contineue to be questioned.Firstly, stop being so cold toward other forum members. They have a right to post here whether you like them or not. Secondly, question Vettel all you want. He's won the championship 3x in a row and 2 of those championships were come from behind wins.


Still thuink this is a yellow flag, and he compleated the passDon't be so bitter Steve. Red/Yellow light and it wasn't blinking. A yellow light would blink repeatedly and so would the lights on the driver's steering wheel.


Congrats to Sebastian, but I'm so sorry that the best driver in the whole season hasn't been champion :( That's an oxymoron. :rolleyes:

[wedge]

Firstly, stop being so cold toward other forum members. They have a right to post here whether you like them or not. Secondly, question Vettel all you want. He's won the championship 3x in a row and 2 of those championships were come from behind wins.


When one complains about hypocrisy and integrity yet fails to uphold those values, how should one react?

I've complimentented Seb. I have only questioned how great a drive he is. Some would say Prost was bettwr than Senna and vice versa so I don't see why similar can not be said of Seb?

Titles aren't necessarily the be all and end all. For instance can Moss' lack of WDC tell you how inferior to Fangio yet Moss is often tegarded as a great driver.

[Mia 01]

Congrats Seb to another WDC!!

My hope is that Kimi will challenge you next year.

[Roamy]

Yea thanks to Roman BlowsJohn

[gloomyDAY]

Yea thanks to Roman BlowsJohnMaking excuses? Deal with it...

http://images.brisbanetimes.com.au/2012/11/26/3828669/vd-Sebastian-Vettel-408x264.jpg

[donKey jote]

Still thuink this is a yellow flag, and he compleated the pass

AUSmotive.com (http://www.ausmotive.com/)

Steve

That one was orange (Red/Yellow)... even Marca (http://www.marca.com/2012/11/26/motor/formula1/1353926034.html) said so ;)

However, today Marca also say he took Vergne under (blinking) yellows :p
Vettel, por fuera del reglamento - MARCA.com (http://www.marca.com/2012/11/27/motor/formula1/1354040626.html)

[donKey jote]

Yea thanks to Roman BlowsJohn

and Kimi :p

[gloomyDAY]

That one was orange (Red/Yellow)... even Marca (http://www.marca.com/2012/11/26/motor/formula1/1353926034.html) said so ;)

However, today Marca also say he took Vergne under (blinking) yellows :p
Vettel, por fuera del reglamento - MARCA.com (http://www.marca.com/2012/11/27/motor/formula1/1354040626.html)I was going to say sour grapes, but that is one hell of a valid argument. I still think Vettel made the pass just as he hit that green flashing light.

[Roamy]

I was going to say sour grapes, but that is one hell of a valid argument. I still think Vettel made the pass just as he hit that green flashing light.

Even you Gooomy is capable of knowing Alonso is the best driver !!

[big_sw2000]

That one was orange (Red/Yellow)... even Marca (http://www.marca.com/2012/11/26/motor/formula1/1353926034.html) said so ;)

However, today Marca also say he took Vergne under (blinking) yellows :p
Vettel, por fuera del reglamento - MARCA.com (http://www.marca.com/2012/11/27/motor/formula1/1354040626.html)

It cant be orange, as its be shown in the other thread that the lights dont flash red and yellow.
Yellow flashing = Yellow flag.
Yellow solid = Slippery surface

And as in the picture, and the videos. This was a solid yellow. Which had been agreed with the drivers before the start of each race, stands for slippery surrface. IE the red yellow stiped flag. The drivers deemed that a red yellow flashing light, at high speed was to difficult to distinguish from a flashing yellow light.

So as far as im now concernd, a legal move.

Steve

[big_sw2000]

Just to stir things up some more. Maybe a look at this overtake under flashing yellows. And yellow light in cockpit.

Video shows Vettel made illegal pass under yellows in Brazil (http://www.totalf1.com/full_story/view/437579/Video_shows_Vettel_made_illegal_pass_under_yellows _in_Brazil/)

Steve

[donKey jote]

As far as your first post is concerned... I agree, of course it was slippery red/yellow orange solid whatever.

As far as your second post is concerned... that was what the second Marca link in my post was about :laugh:

by the way, it's also a non-issue ;)
http://www.motorsportforums.com/f1/156239-2012-brazilian-grand-prix-title-decider-14.html#post1086439

[donKey jote]

I was going to say sour grapes, but that is one hell of a valid argument. I still think Vettel made the pass just as he hit that green flashing light.

no sour grapes here :laugh:

he made it before the light but after the flag :)
http://www.motorsportforums.com/f1/156239-2012-brazilian-grand-prix-title-decider-14.html#post1086439

[bontebempo]

another cheating German zzzzz

[gloomyDAY]

another cheating German zzzzzDamn, someone is mad.

[dj_bytedisaster]

another cheating German zzzzz

Deal with it Einstein. Maybe we Germans should stop paying off Spain's debts. Let's see how you numbnuts deal with being friggin' bankrupt. Before you flash the nationalist card in someone's face at least have a look who's face it is...

[big_sw2000]

no sour grapes here :laugh:

he made it before the light but after the flag :)
http://www.motorsportforums.com/f1/156239-2012-brazilian-grand-prix-title-decider-14.html#post1086439

But the picture of the green flag is lap 3. The pass under yellow that is being investigated was on lap 4. Was the green still out.
Got to be honest, i like a good argument on a forum, but its to late to take the championship away from Vettel now. Yes investigate, and maybe admit mistakes have happend. Find ways to stop it happing again, but leave the results as they are.

Steve

[dj_bytedisaster]

But the picture of the green flag is lap 3. The pass under yellow that is being investigated was on lap 4. Was the green still out.

It was out in lap three and the photo shows there are neither cars nor visible pieces of debris in that sector. So for the green being exchanged for yellow in the next lap something would have had to happen in that sector during lap 3 or between the leading cars in lap 4. No incident was reported as far as I can remember and in the video of the pass there is no stranded car, debris or nutter on the track. So, having established that the sector was green-flagged in lap 3, there is no logical reason why it should have been yellow flagged in lap 4.
Further, the official track diagram on fia.com shows that there are two marshal booths on that section - one on the left side after the exit of T3 (the one visible in the photo of lap3) and one on the right hand side at the entry of T4, directly opposite of the flashing green light we see after the pass was completed. Frame-by-frame analysis of the video shows that the marshal in the booth at T3 waves a flag. Due to the lightning conditions its colour is indiscernable, but

a) its colour appears rather dark, so more likely green than yellow and
b) Vettel starts his move immediately after passing that booth, so chances are high that he saw it and it was in fact green, as it was in lap 3.


Got to be honest, i like a good argument on a forum,
Steve

That's why we're still here, isn't it :D

[big_sw2000]

Ok time to admit defeat, as the green flag was after the yellow light.
What to argue about next then

Steve

[Knock-on]

Deal with it Einstein. Maybe we Germans should stop paying off Spain's debts. Let's see how you numbnuts deal with being friggin' bankrupt. Before you flash the nationalist card in someone's face at least have a look who's face it is...

Can you stop being so rude?? It's happened in several posts now. Bonte is entitled to her opinion although I rarely agree with her but there's no need to get all aggressive.

[dj_bytedisaster]

Can you stop being so rude?? It's happened in several posts now. Bonte is entitled to her opinion although I rarely agree with her but there's no need to get all aggressive.

Do I need to remind you that that it was a direct reaction to an equally rude remark about Germans and that the oridinal thread title was at least as rude as my riposte? I admit that reacting to being foulmouthed by using foul language wasn't a very mature reaction, but if you need to correct the manners of people, please to so for all involved.

[donKey jote]

Deal with it Einstein. Maybe we Germans should stop paying off Spain's debts. Let's see how you numbnuts deal with being friggin' bankrupt. Before you flash the nationalist card in someone's face at least have a look who's face it is...

since when is bonte a sour paella gobbler? Even if she were, what has that got to do with the Germany-Spain relationship in the EU? :rolleyes: :down:

[dj_bytedisaster]

since when is bonte a sour paella gobbler? Even if she were, what has that got to do with the Germany-Spain relationship in the EU? :rolleyes: :down:

Did you completely ignore my post above? I already said that it wasn't a very mature reaction on my behalf. I could have ignored the 'German cheaters' insult and didn't, so yes, guilty as charged for reacting childishly, I'm sorry.

[pino]

Guys this thread was started to congratulate Vettel, not to discuss how and why he won the title. There are 2 threads for that...use them and let's stick to the topic here !

[GravettFan99]

Congratulations to Seb, I am somewhat happy for him, but very gutted for Alonso. :( He obviously drove superiorly earlier this year, and showed great skill, but at the right time, Seb and Red Bull knuckled down and briefly went on a winning streak that was '11-esque, and it was enough to overcome a deficit, that just few races earlier, had looked impossible to break. :)

While I personally feel as though as Alonso was the driver of the year, I really could vote Massa the winner of comeback of the year, if there were such a title. http://smileyicons.net/smilies/491.gifhttp://smileyicons.net/smilies/489.gif I am happy for what he has achieved this season, which looked very bland at first. :D

[fishinjim]

Great job Seb, I think we may have a driver who can keep up with Fangio from the 50's.
Time will tell, but off to a really good start.

[mr.Jones]

As I am a Mclaren fan i did not jump up and down with happines when i saw Seb win, it would have been better if alonso won.. However, i will admit it, Vettle isa brilliant driver, his ability as a driver is amazing and i think he has proven that by winning with a car without the diffuser exchaust system. Are we looking at a greatnew German legend? ;)

Grats Sebastian. Looking forward to the 2013 season!

[Garry Walker]

What a joke that bieber won the title. He was not even a top 3 driver last year, but thankfully for him his precious car rescued his pathetic ass again. With a dominant car like that and clear nr.1 status in his team, any idiot can win a title, and as he proved, that idiot indeed won the title.
The most unworthy WDC of last 30 years.

[gloomyDAY]

The most unworthy WDC of last 30 years.Take it easy, Jenson.

[steveaki13]

Welcome to 2013.

[Garry Walker]

Take it easy, Jenson.
Bieber's season of last year makes Jenson's driving in 2009 look like Senna's