Big storm coming soon here - (East coast of the U S of A)

[race aficionado]

You really never know what is going to happen when one of these meteorological events manifest themselves.
The news community is all over it and the cameras in the sky do indeed show a big feisty rotating cloud monster creeping up the east coast.

I went to the supper market last night and almost all the food was gone. It was aery to see food aisles empty in this metropolitan city.

Also all subway and bus service will be cancelled tonight by around 7 pm. No schools open tomorrow, emergency evacuations urged right now and the more you hear the news, the more it looks like a possible Armageddon (well, that's the news being the news)

Any way, not to bore you, but life in this part of the world is unusually interesting.

[GridGirl]

My boss asked me to fly out to NYC today on Thursday but luckily there was a problem with the client and its all got delayed. I don't think I'd want to be en route or stranded somewhere in the East Coast. :s

Stay safe Race. :)

[Starter]

My boss asked me to fly out to NYC today on Thursday but luckily there was a problem with the client and its all got delayed. I don't think I'd want to be en route or stranded somewhere in the East Coast. :s

Stay safe Race. :)
You would have been fine. We only kill and eat the people we don't like when the power goes off for a while.



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[GridGirl]

I'll look forward to arriving in Long Island later in the week just when your all really really hungry. :p

[Jag_Warrior]

Heading out to fill up my gasoline cans and get the generator hooked up right now.

[anthonyvop]

Every year I have to put up with the local news Hurricane Hysteria for 6 months. I have been through enough hurricanes to know when to worry and when to not even bother to get up.

If Sandy was coming towards me I wouldn't be getting up. But I live in what is almost a cement blockhouse, built to beyond hurricane code and have a generator.

But Sandy isn't heading towards me. Sandy is heading to the most ignorant part of the country populated by wussies who think that the government will save them. They build cardboard homes near the beach and think the Police and firemen will actually help them during the storm.....HAHAHAHA.

I hope Sandy takes it easy on them. If not they are screwed.

[gloomyDAY]

Good luck, Colombiano. I'm hoping that this storm doesn't become too disruptive.


Sandy is heading to the most ignorant part of the country populated by wussies who think that the government will save them. They build cardboard homes near the beach and think the Police and firemen will actually help them during the storm.....HAHAHAHA.You disgust me. :down:

I can't believe that you'd take joy in seeing people have their lives destroyed. Hell, I bet you got a nice tingly feeling when you saw the Twin Towers collapse.

[Valve Bounce]

When the tall buildings start to sway, people may start to panic. I still remember that everytime a Typhoon hit HK, people used to rush to supermarkets and empty the shelves. Typhoons pass over in a couple of days, and this type of hoarding is a symptom of panic more than necessity.

However, the forecast of 30 cm of rain might cause flooding of the underground network of subways, and that could be a short term problem; I suppose cancelling the subway, buses and trains and closing all schools is a good idea.

[Tazio]

I understand The President of The United States of America is going to cancel all campaign appearances to personally oversee all emergency operations, to assure that the citizens of our great republic don't experience a debacle similar to what happened to New Orleans, and Mississippi

Miss. Mississippi
http://starcasm.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/miss_america_24_wenn3166576.jpg

under the previous administration at the hands of Katrina. My sources close to the DNP are suggesting that Uncle Willie may take some time away from his charitable foundations to champion Mr Obama's cause, and lend his home spun wisdom to The President's prospective constituency.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-LQ_AGrYZHiU/Tj8D1z_z97I/AAAAAAAAA4Q/R_8lgbBaKjA/s1600/bill+clinton+miss+me+yet.jpg

In similar news Governor Romney is reported to be joining the 1st Massachusetts Minutemen Regiment of the National Guard as his "Home" State's territory is some of the most valuable, I mean vulnerable in the nation.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-eAquSczRWeY/UAUu3zmCpVI/AAAAAAAAIlo/w58HUq1FZwE/s1600/bath.jpg

[Robinho]

Every year I have to put up with the local news Hurricane Hysteria for 6 months. I have been through enough hurricanes to know when to worry and when to not even bother to get up.

If Sandy was coming towards me I wouldn't be getting up. But I live in what is almost a cement blockhouse, built to beyond hurricane code and have a generator.

But Sandy isn't heading towards me. Sandy is heading to the most ignorant part of the country populated by wussies who think that the government will save them. They build cardboard homes near the beach and think the Police and firemen will actually help them during the storm.....HAHAHAHA.

I hope Sandy takes it easy on them. If not they are screwed.

astounding ignorance of the facts, even for you. its not the hurricane/winds that that are the issue, i'd love to know how your blockhouse and generator would fare under a potential 11ft storm surge. the potential for flood damage in a hugely populated area is massive, although the experts seem to be unsure of the exact path of the storm or the size of the surge, the size of the storm and the coupling with full moon high tides is the source of great worry for a large area. plus combining with the cold front storm coming down from Canada it could be quite a mess - I hope it isn't, but people need to prepare. If that combination was headed your way I expect you'd see things differently, having a house built to withstand high winds won't help people

[Valve Bounce]

In any community affected by severe storms, there will always be some who will be much more vulnerable than others. I don't think that anyone should trivialise the impact of an impending severe storm. There will always be some who would not care or simply has not appreciated the danger until after the event. Having been involved in the emergency duties during rainstorms and typhoons in HK, I can fully appreciate the work that will be undertaken by those involved in such duties in the US, and I wish they will stay safe themselves while performing their duties. I am following the news tonight.

[D-Type]

I'm not going to enter into debate on US politics or US citizens' expectations of their public services.

I'll simply express a wish that all our members successfully weather the storm.

[BleAivano]

a couple of video links;

LIVE Hurricane Sandy Coverage - The Weather Channel - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/embed/yXMU2qwCVag)
Live Streaming - Premium - wdbj7.com (http://www.wdbj7.com/news/livestreaming/premium/)
http://nyharborwebcam.com/They say that at around 6-6.30 PM east coast time, the water level will probably reach its maximum when the storm
is expected to hit shore at New Jersey in combination with high tides due to the full moon.

[Gregor-y]

We may have 20 foot waves in Chicago tomorrow. It'll make my commute interesting.

[Mark]

We may have 20 foot waves in Chicago tomorrow. It'll make my commute interesting.

Take the heavy bike, then when the wave hits just keep pedalling (but this time underwater). You can hold your breath?

[BleAivano]

Take the heavy bike, then when the wave hits just keep pedalling (but this time underwater). You can hold your breath?

no need, there's this equipment called scuba gear (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scuba_set). ;)

*edit, Its been confirmed that the ship The Bounty have sunk outside the coast of North Carolina.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/story/2012/10/29/ns-hms-bounty-hurricane-sandy.html

@Mark, yes. Unless he have an Iphone with ios 6 since the maps/gps does not work on them anyway. ;)

[Mark]

He needs to make sure his phone is water proof so the GPS tracking can continue. Otherwise it's all good :D

[Gregor-y]

no need, there's this equipment called scuba gear (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scuba_set). ;)

*edit, Its been confirmed that the ship The Bounty have sunk outside the coast of North Carolina.

At least 2 missing as Hurricane Sandy sinks HMS Bounty - Nova Scotia - CBC News (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/story/2012/10/29/ns-hms-bounty-hurricane-sandy.html)

@Mark, yes. Unless he have an Iphone with ios 6 since the maps/gps does not work on them anyway. ;)

I saw that ship come to Chicago for a tall ship meeting five or six years ago. It was lashed to a tugboat to be brought a short way up the river but went too close to an open drawbridge and broke a few spars.

[BleAivano]

Apparently both Atlantic City and Points Pleasant NJ, are or soon will be under water.

Much Of Atlantic City Under Water « CBS Philly (http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2012/10/29/much-of-atlantic-city-under-water/)
Hurricane Sandy: Atlantic City Flooded - Business Insider (http://www.businessinsider.com/hurricane-sandy-atlantic-city-flooded-2012-10)
Atlantic City put underwater by Hurricane Sandy- The New Haven Register - Serving New Haven, Connecticut (http://www.nhregister.com/articles/2012/10/29/news/doc508e9d826ef4b641919439.txt)

[BleAivano]

some one took a photo of his garden:

http://i.imgur.com/NmVyQ.jpg


JFK airport: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A6YoD_rCAAAnsA-.jpg:large
La Guardia airport: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A6YnZIVCMAIAesf.jpg:large

from: https://twitter.com/PANYNJ

[Starter]

some one took a photo of his garden:

http://i.imgur.com/NmVyQ.jpg


JFK airport: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A6YoD_rCAAAnsA-.jpg:large
La Guardia airport: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A6YnZIVCMAIAesf.jpg:large

from: https://twitter.com/PANYNJ
My backyard isn't there yet, but expect it will be close by tomorrow morning. The river is out of the banks and rising. And I am NOT in the designated 100 year flood plain.

[Knock-on]

Well, I flew out of Miami on Friday evening and it was quite an interesting journey ;)

We hugged the Eastern Seaboard to avoid the worst as Sandy was still offshore but the poor old 777 still got a good workout. Didn't bother me much as I like that sort of thing but a few sick bags were used :D

[schmenke]

some one took a photo of his garden:

http://i.imgur.com/NmVyQ.jpg


...

Holy crap! Where was that taken?

[BleAivano]

Holy crap! Where was that taken?

I am not really sure but Somewhere in New Jersey. NJ is most likely where its going to get most flooded. Atlantic City is already flooded.

Atlantic City Flooding Photos Reveal Hurricane Sandy Damage (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/29/atlantic-city-flooding-photos_n_2039130.html)
Hurricane Sandy: Atlantic City Flooded - Business Insider (http://www.businessinsider.com/hurricane-sandy-atlantic-city-flooded-2012-10)
Coastal Flood Warning in New Jersey (http://www.google.org/publicalerts/alert?aid=24593d0e85135eb1&hl=en&gl=SE&source=web)

[Tazio]

I rode out the Whittier Narrows earth quake (initial shock 20 second temblor) on the third floor of a Holiday Inn on Colorado Blvd (Pasadena) 8 miles from the epicenter, had one leg over the balcony railing, and was preparing to jump on to a van (Lorry, or Lorrey in your language) in the parking lot when the proprietors flew out of the office and in single file ran in a figure 8 pattern moaning and weeping, basically doing the "Chinese Fire Drill" it amused me long enough to look in the other direction and there was another scrub bro who had one leg over his balcony railing. We made eye contact and simultaneously busted up into hysterical laughter, and I just rode it out. I didn’t want to take the stairs out because they were totally enclosed and thought there was a chance of the building collapsing and being buried alive. Many buildings did collapse in Whittier.
Whittier's Big One: 2 decades later - Whittier Daily News (http://www.whittierdailynews.com/earthquake/ci_7028031)
Being a registered Democrat I have to deal with a lot of spam usually more gay ;) than what just arrived:



Victor --

This is a serious storm, but we are going to do what it takes to keep people safe and secure, and make sure the communities affected get the assistance they need. FEMA is working with state and local governments to respond effectively. We all owe a debt of thanks to the first responders who will be dealing with the immediate impact of the storm.

If you live in the storm's path, please listen to state and local authorities about where and how to take shelter and stay safe -- and encourage your friends and family to do the same. If you are asked to evacuate, please take that seriously.

For more information on how to prepare for this storm, visit Ready.gov.

And if you'd like to find out how to support relief efforts where they're needed most, please visit the Red Cross or your local relief organization:

http://my.barackobama.com/Red-Cross

Michelle and I are keeping everyone in the affected areas in our thoughts and prayers. Be safe.

Barack

BTW The weather is lovely here. Thanks for caring :heart:

[race aficionado]

one construction crane already collapsing in midtown . . . .

(it's a 90 story apartment building - it will be the tallest apt. building in the city)

It's dangling right now and the stronger winds are not even here.

Let's see what that adventure will bring.

Not a pretty scene, that's for sure.

[race aficionado]

Compare Satellite Images Of Sandy And Irene And Try Not To Panic: Gothamist (http://gothamist.com/2012/10/29/compare_satellite_images_of_sandy_a.php)




Now we have a 6pm land fall in NJ. Ahead of schedule.

[gloomyDAY]

I'm glad Sandy isn't a problem for North Carolina since they made rising sea levels illegal (http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=north-carolina-sea-level-rises-desipte-senators)...oh, wait!

I hope there aren't any fatalities directly related to Sandy. This is getting intense!

[race aficionado]

dangling crane NYC 10.29.12 | Flickr - Photo Sharing! (http://www.flickr.com/photos/88034436@N06/8136074041/in/photostream)

The aforementioned dangling crane.

[BleAivano]

I'm glad Sandy isn't a problem for North Carolina since they made rising sea levels illegal (http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=north-carolina-sea-level-rises-desipte-senators)...oh, wait!

I hope there aren't any fatalities directly related to Sandy. This is getting intense!

It have been some. two persons are still missing from the ship Bounty which sank outside the coast of NC. Another 6 poeple is still missing at sea

About 60 people in Haiti and Cuba have died as a result of Sandy.

[Tazio]

It have been some. two persons are still missing from the ship Bounty which sank outside the coast of NC. Another 6 poeple is still missing at sea

About 60 people in Haiti and Cuba have died as a result of Sandy. The suspected fatalities at sea were due to a mutiny in the Bermuda Triangle.
Fleetwood Mac-Hypnotized (High Quality) 1973 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yA2i60AVIw)

[Tazio]

I'll look forward to arriving in Long Island later in the week just when your all really really hungry. :p
"Any port in a storm" :uhoh: ;)
Amazing Rhythm Aces - Third Rate Romance.wmv - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTT-Jmi1nOc)

[BleAivano]

an aerial photo from Atlantic City: Photo by mike609 • Instagram (http://instagram.com/p/RYWsGbpEG7/)

[race aficionado]

And no land fall yet ....

[race aficionado]

In a couple of hours we will know if water is pouring into the NYC subway system. If that happens, electrical grids will start being shutdown as to avoid electrical water damage on the subway infrastructure.
( I bet betting parlous are busy with so many sort of bets concerning this disaster's probabilities. )

[Tazio]

This is like really important :mark:
Guards at Tomb of the Unknowns to remain on-site during hurricane | The Ticket - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/guards-tomb-unknowns-remain-during-hurricane-165122482--election.html)

WASHINGTON—Hurricane Sandy is expected to slam the East Coast and the federal government is shut down—but the U.S. servicemen who guard the outdoor Tomb of the Unknowns at Arlington National Cemetery will remain on duty.

"They will not abandon their post," an employee who answered the Arlington Cemetery's phone confirmed to Yahoo News. He identified himself as "George," but was not authorized to speak on the record to the media. :confused:

The tomb, located just outside Washington, D.C., holds the remains of unidentified soldiers from World War I, World War II and Korea. :rolleyes:
A So called rep' of our Government (named George :laugh :) is saying that at the risk of death, from a natural disaster we will guard the ancient remains of the dead; any thoughts? :dozey:

[libra65]

Sandy is making landfall now! The only good news we've gotten is that the storm started moving faster so landfall came sooner than expected. It originally was supposed to come at about 8PM EST which would coinside with high tide. Oh yeah and its a full moon too!!! I'm about 70 miles inland and the rain & wind have been awful all day. The worst will come to my area around Midnight till sometime tomorrow afternoon. Hopefully everyone down the shore stays put and takes care. Prayers to all the people who will be affected by this storm.

[D-Type]

This is like really important :mark:
Guards at Tomb of the Unknowns to remain on-site during hurricane | The Ticket - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/guards-tomb-unknowns-remain-during-hurricane-165122482--election.html)
:rolleyes:
A So called rep' of our Government (named George :laugh :) is saying that at the risk of death, from a natural disaster we will guard the ancient remains of the dead; any thoughts? :dozey:
I like to think what 'George' meant to say was "They will not abandon their post [until ordered to do so]". The military can be stupid but not that stupid surely. Does US education include King Canute?

On a more serious note, I worry about those who elect to stay put because they live on the seventh floor or because their house is built like a blockhouse. Don't they realise the shear power of flood waters and their ability to scour away below foundations.

The full moon is a mixed blessing - it's caused the high spring tide but at least if the power does fail there will be some light.

[BleAivano]

From Battery park at the southern tip of Manhattan.

Battery Park Flooding - Business Insider (http://www.businessinsider.com/battery-park-flooding-2012-10?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+businessinsider+%28Business+I nsider%29)

[race aficionado]

First precautionary small electric grid shut down in lower Manhattan. Around 6,500 clients affected.

[BleAivano]

some actually solved the getting food problem in a good way;

Daily Picdump (107 pics) - Izismile.com (http://izismile.com/2012/10/29/daily_picdump_107_pics-69.html)

[race aficionado]

1/4 of a million customers without light in lower Manhattan.
They are pumping water out of the subway system.

[race aficionado]

15 minutes till midnight . . . .

It's really been nuts around certain parts of Manhattan with all the flooding due to the wind and the water surge.
Many individual stories are occurring all over the Tri State area.

All the visual footage we are getting is night time footage.

Tomorrow morning we will get a barrage of surreal scenes and pictures and stories.

Right now, we're still in the middle of it and so far I have been untouched by all these happenings. I live in the upper west side of Manhattan, in a high part of the island (my home is also on a small hill) so no river is going past what use to be my street right now.
I'm just watching it all on my TV while I listen to the howling wind that's been set loose out there.

I count my blessings.

[Rollo]

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/A6bZYhfCQAAZ_pM.jpg

This is good to know.

[BleAivano]

This is still unconfirmed but i have read claims that all three major airports in the NY Area were flooded.



Amazed how much coverage this storm is getting in comparison to the other big ones that have hit Asia and the Caribbean.


compared to the Caribbean yes I agree, but the Tsunamis in Japan and South Asia got allot of attention.

[BleAivano]

a picture from what i thinks is NY Subway? :

http://i.imgur.com/3DtTl.jpg

[race aficionado]

No idea when subways will be up again. The Metropolis is down on the count.

[race aficionado]

750 thousand people without power in the city.
Subways closed.
Airports closed.
Schools closed.
Most businesses, if not all, closed
2 hospitals evacuated.
Crane still dangling and nothing can be done until the wind permits it.
Such is life in NYC.

[Tazio]

Amazed how much coverage this storm is getting in comparison to the other big ones that have hit Asia and the Caribbean.
As usual it brought out the worst in the media. No suprise here, and my daughter in Chicago is fine
Photo by wrensandroses • Instagram (http://instagram.com/p/RUrsixiobj/)

[Dave B]

As usual it brought out the worst in the media.
I can only speak for our side of the pond, but Eamonn Holmes on Sky News this morning was particularly shocking: he seemed disappointed at first that there were "only" 13 deaths (at the time), but when they had (WHHHHOOOOOOOOOSH) BREAKING NEWS! that there was a massive fire he cheered up no end, almost as if someone had told him the buffet was open :s

[race aficionado]

Well, sorry to disappoint those graveyard news guys.
We got hit hard, not as hard as they hoped for - for their new's sake - and we will get out of this one with what is being demonstrated right now as we all gather together for the better good of ALL.

[Tazio]

I can only speak for our side of the pond, but Eamonn Holmes on Sky News this morning was particularly shocking: he seemed disappointed at first that there were "only" 13 deaths (at the time), but when they had (WHHHHOOOOOOOOOSH) BREAKING NEWS! that there was a massive fire he cheered up no end, almost as if someone had told him the buffet was open :s I turned on the news for the first time last night and there was a reporter standing near the beach in Atlantic City. He was beside himself because the puncture indicator on his van when on and only because there was some sort of civil assistance he got that tire changed. He was the only person in the area, along with his camera man, who panned across a loose metal sign which advertised "Body Piercing" and went on to say it wasn't safe there, his camera man actually was hit on his little finger by a flying object, but they were able to do a field dressing for the scratch on the spot so they could be the only ones hanging out in an empty area to report how dangerous it is :rolleyes:
This too shall pass.

[Gregor-y]

Strong winds in Chicago around 35 mph this morning rather than the 45-50 range expected. It may pick up later today, but so far we're only going to get the wind from the storm and none of the rain or snow. Waves are 15-20 feet but higher in some shallow areas near downtown. Sections of the trail - such as this little piece - are closed, including a few miles farther south where there are no beaches to absorb the waves before they hit the trail. The beaches are pretty much covered at the moment.

http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/674/lake2m.jpg

[BleAivano]

According to the The Telegraph death toll in USA is now 33 people.


16.00 (12.00) The latest death toll has reached 33 people across seven states, according to the Associated Press.
Of those 17 were in New York, four in Pennsylvania and three in New Jersey.

Also I don't think media exaggerated this time. It seems like it became much worse compared to what everyone expected it to be.

two photos of LaGuardia Airport:

http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/387735_461599947217109_1717161953_n.jpg
http://sphotos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/22720_461619047215199_2109810572_n.jpg

[Tazio]

According to the The Telegraph death toll in USA is now 33 people.



Also I don't think media exaggerated this time.
Don Henley - Dirty Laundry (With Lyrics) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNC4FHR4XLA)

[Bagwan]

Pretty surreal situation .
Big damage across a wide swath , and amazing that so few were killed , given the pop density in that area of the US .

Most surreal were the reporters , standing in over the knee deep water , being almost blown off thier feet , with chunks of debris being blown by in both the wind and water .
The quest for the juiciest video bite was pretty unbelieveable .

They stood in the street before , during , and after the storm .

I guess the fall-back for this kind of insane behavior is the fact that they might get an exclusive on the brave reporter who was killed trying to carry out his essential work of standing in the centre of the worst storm in recent memory , to bravely get the story .

[race aficionado]

some telling pictures here:

Hurricane Sandy: After Landfall - In Focus - The Atlantic (http://www.theatlantic.com/infocus/2012/10/hurricane-sandy-after-landfall/100396/)

[Valve Bounce]

Just keep posting, Race! At least I can tell when I see your posts that you are safe.

I was watching our news here in Melbourne this morning, and they showed a film clip being taken by someone of the storm outside their window, and as they were filming, a tree snapped and fell on her car. Then more trees snapped and fell on other cars parked outside.

This storm had such a wide front that there was nowhere to escape to. It basically covered the entire Eastern coast of the US.

[Robinho]

Every year I have to put up with the local news Hurricane Hysteria for 6 months. I have been through enough hurricanes to know when to worry and when to not even bother to get up.

If Sandy was coming towards me I wouldn't be getting up. But I live in what is almost a cement blockhouse, built to beyond hurricane code and have a generator.

But Sandy isn't heading towards me. Sandy is heading to the most ignorant part of the country populated by wussies who think that the government will save them. They build cardboard homes near the beach and think the Police and firemen will actually help them during the storm.....HAHAHAHA.

I hope Sandy takes it easy on them. If not they are screwed.

I just wanted to bring this post forward again

[Tazio]

I just wanted to bring this post forward again

“Remember, a chip on the shoulder is a sure sign of wood higher up.” - Brigham Young

"As a united country of people we have equally strong shoulders" - Mr Alcatraz

[Rudy Tamasz]

My mother in law lives in Connecticut and she says they are pretty safe there. That's a relief.

My prayers go to everybody in the disaster zone.

[Valve Bounce]

I just wanted to bring this post forward again

Why?? Ignorance knows no bounds, but that doesn't mean we have to highlight it.

[Tazio]

Why?? Ignorance knows no bounds, but that doesn't mean we have to highlight it.We don't have to, but VOP's pompus attitude, and the insulting nature of his comments (over the years) begs for it. :dozey:

[D-Type]

Looking at the news photographs it's surprising how many people left their cars to the mercy of the floods. Given that after a house a car is the average person's largest purchase you'd expect them to at least move the car to the top of a nearby hill. There was even a parking lot full of yellow cabs - as I understand it a New York cab licence goes with the car not the driver so this would be a monumental loss of revenue for the company concerned. Unless of course it was actually a scrapyard.
If I lived in that corner of the USA I would be extremely wary of buying any secondhand car for the next couple of years. Even if thoroughly dried out, the salt remains to attract moisture and induce rust.

[Malbec]

If I lived in that corner of the USA I would be extremely wary of buying any secondhand car for the next couple of years. Even if thoroughly dried out, the salt remains to attract moisture and induce rust.

Presumably most of the flooding is indeed saltwater along the coastline, the cost of sorting out the flooded properties must be massive in some of the most expensive real estate in the world, especially the electrics.

[Tazio]

Looking at the news photographs it's surprising how many people left their cars to the mercy of the floods. Given that after a house a car is the average person's largest purchase you'd expect them to at least move the car to the top of a nearby hill. There was even a parking lot full of yellow cabs - as I understand it a New York cab licence goes with the car not the driver so this would be a monumental loss of revenue for the company concerned. Unless of course it was actually a scrapyard.
If I lived in that corner of the USA I would be extremely wary of buying any secondhand car for the next couple of years. Even if thoroughly dried out, the salt remains to attract moisture and induce rust.Most Americans can only afford to finance their cars, and in doing so are forced to take comprehensive auto insurance as the financial institutions they borrowed from hold the deed. This insurance is extremely steep compared to someone like me who bought my new Aprilia and a late model Toyota Tundra for cash (outright) I only pay $110 a year for my motorcycle as I only carry theft, minimum liability, and uninsured motorist. On my truck I have extended liability, theft, and uninsured motorist. $175 for 6 months. If I had financed my truck even with my good driving record my insurance would be about $400 for 6 months. But to the point the cars that are abandoned that have comprehensive are generally just considered a total, and will be replaced with one of the same mileage or less and likely in better working order depending upon how the original was driven and maintained.

[gadjo_dilo]

..... my daughter in Chicago is fine
Photo by wrensandroses • Instagram (http://instagram.com/p/RUrsixiobj/)

The real "Rappaccini's daughter".....

[Tazio]

The real "Rappaccini's daughter"..... finally got it :)
Actually she was just going for a groupie look in that image she had done last week. I have pictures of here where she better resembles "Beatrice"

[gadjo_dilo]

Hopefully you also have pics of you resembling the real doctor.

[Tazio]

Hopefully you also have pics of you resembling the real doctor.I may be old but I'm not as old as that character, and Dominique is at least 18 years older than Beatrice

[race aficionado]

more pix:

Hurricane Sandy in Photos - In Focus - The Atlantic (http://www.theatlantic.com/infocus/2012/10/hurricane-sandy-in-photos/100395/)

[D-Type]

Most Americans can only afford to finance their cars, and in doing so are forced to take comprehensive auto insurance as the financial institutions they borrowed from hold the deed. This insurance is extremely steep compared to someone like me who bought my new Aprilia and a late model Toyota Tundra for cash (outright) I only pay $110 a year for my motorcycle as I only carry theft, minimum liability, and uninsured motorist. On my truck I have extended liability, theft, and uninsured motorist. $175 for 6 months. If I had financed my truck even with my good driving record my insurance would be about $400 for 6 months. But to the point the cars that are abandoned that have comprehensive are generally just considered a total, and will be replaced with one of the same mileage or less and likely in better working order depending upon how the original was driven and maintained.

But, will the insurance companies pay out for an "Act of God"? I have a suspicion this is a standard exclusion.

[donKey jote]

The real "Rappaccini's daughter".....

hmmm... I believe she does bear a certain resemblance to Markabilly.... :andrea: :arrows: :kiss: :s ailor:

[donKey jote]

more pix:

Hurricane Sandy in Photos - In Focus - The Atlantic (http://www.theatlantic.com/infocus/2012/10/hurricane-sandy-in-photos/100395/)

glad you could stay dry race, hope you get back to normal as soon as possible !

[Starter]

But, will the insurance companies pay out for an "Act of God"? I have a suspicion this is a standard exclusion.
An act of God doesn't exclude storm damage. Wind damage from a storm is covered. Water damage can be tricky. It depends on the source of the water in most cases. Water blown in by wind and internal damage (burst pipe) is covered, usually flood damage is not. That is unless you have paid extra for flood insurance.

[Mark]

It seems New Yorkers are a tough lot. Good to hear you're ok Race. Do you still have power? How is it with groceries etc?

[race aficionado]

It seems New Yorkers are a tough lot. Good to hear you're ok Race. Do you still have power? How is it with groceries etc?
I'm one of those lucky ones Mark.
No loss of power, just some branches off trees around the neighborhood and supermarkets are stocked up again and running since yesterday.
It's been surreal in other pats of the island. I don't know if you've had a chance to see the pix in the 2 links I've posted but it's been that crazy and surreal.
Still no subway service and who knows how soon that will happen and a big chunk of downtown is still without electricity.
pretty crazy . . . . but as you said, we are tough lot and we will prevail, there is no other choice.
:)

[Tazio]

hmmm... I believe she does bear a certain resemblance to Markabilly.... :andrea: :arrows: BillyBob got hiss Missus trying to get him to bail on Austin :eek: Come on man!! :andrea: Guess she's way tired of you :dozey:

[Valve Bounce]

We don't have to, but VOP's pompus attitude, and the insulting nature of his comments (over the years) begs for it. :dozey:

Just add him to your ignore list and you will enjoy the forum a lot more.

[Tazio]

Just add him to your ignore list and you will enjoy the forum a lot more.Great, if that works for you! :s tareup:





http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxHu_71sU1E

[Valve Bounce]

Looking at the news photographs it's surprising how many people left their cars to the mercy of the floods. Given that after a house a car is the average person's largest purchase you'd expect them to at least move the car to the top of a nearby hill. There was even a parking lot full of yellow cabs - as I understand it a New York cab licence goes with the car not the driver so this would be a monumental loss of revenue for the company concerned. Unless of course it was actually a scrapyard.
If I lived in that corner of the USA I would be extremely wary of buying any secondhand car for the next couple of years. Even if thoroughly dried out, the salt remains to attract moisture and induce rust.

Looking at all the cars and boats that were damaged/destroyed, I did think of the possibility of owners taking off for the hills with their cars or the Lakes with their boats well before the storm arrived. However, there was a strong sense of complacency early on, especially after Irene fizzled out, and the hugely wide front of the storm made escape very difficult; where the hell can you go with a boat in the last two days before the storm? It covered the entire east coast. As for cars,well if anyone had the time, then I suppose a trip upstate would have worked if you had someone to stay with. BUT, I would say that most people underestimated this storm - I've seen this before in HK when many expats took the opportunity of an approaching typhoon to party in Wan Chai. And to prove they were right, most times they didn't get hurt, although walking miles to get home simply gave them an excuse to stay out in the bars until the storm blew over.
Unfortunately, this storm had the credentials of being very, very nasty, and while some thought it might affect the subway, few expected the subway to be seriously flooded and out of commission for days and days.

[Tazio]

few expected the subway to be seriously flooded and out of commission for days and days.The 2011 Report That Predicted New York's Subway Flooding Disaster - Commute - The Atlantic Cities (http://www.theatlanticcities.com/commute/2012/10/2011-report-predicted-new-yorks-subway-flooding-disaster/3748/)

The researchers estimate that, after a storm of this magnitude, it could take the subway system about 21 days to get working at 90 percent functionality. If all potential damage is considered, Jacob and colleagues warn that timeline could increase to several months, and that "permanent restoration of the system to the full revenue service that was previously available could take more than two years."
Ya''awl come back now ya''ear :dozey:

[Tazio]

hmmm... I believe she does bear a certain resemblance to Markabilly...As for yor off spring, I say enjoy them while they're young, enen the ones that are Billy's They forget yor name around 16, and then remember it a little later


http://www.facebook.com/#!/photo.php?v=10150578959835404&set=t.630985403&type=3&theater

[Tazio]

hmmm... I believe she does bear a certain resemblance to Markabilly... As for your off-spring, I say enjoy them while they're young, enen the ones that are Billy's They forget your name around 16, and then remember it a little later :angel:


http://www.facebook.com/#!/photo.php?v=10150578959835404&set=t.630985403&type=3&theater
Good thing her B of S degree is in acoustics, because except for being a good mucisian she works as a recording engineer... voice :(

[anthonyvop]

I am utterly amazed at how unprepared they were for what was a fairly weak storm. The people up there should be ashamed of themselves for electing people who would rather cater to special interest groups and cronyism instead of doing what the government should be doing.

[Tazio]

hmmm... I believe she does bear a certain resemblance to Markabilly....Except her band is called Doctor Pyramid", I'd say that makes her a chip off the old block :dozey:

https://www.facebook.com/DoctorPyramid/app_178091127385

[Starter]

I am utterly amazed at how unprepared they were for what was a fairly weak storm. The people up there should be ashamed of themselves for electing people who would rather cater to special interest groups and cronyism instead of doing what the government should be doing.
You obviously haven't been paying attention. True, it was only a category 1 hurricane and the wind speeds only got up to the 90 MPH range, tops. That wasn't the problem. The storm combined with another storm and, while wind speeds weren't that high, the amount of rain was incredible. Combine the rain with storm surges which coincided with a full moon high tide and you had water levels never recorded before in New Jersey and New York. Throw in the long duration of the very heavy rain and there you are.

[race aficionado]

a term that is heard more and more lately:
"The New Normal"
Ponder on that.

[Tazio]

a term that is heard more and more lately:
"The New Normal"
Ponder on that.D'you mean climate change?......lovely euphemism.
Don't suggest it is due to mans effect on the eart,. that is not real Christian. :dork:
Hang in there Race!!
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[race aficionado]

D'you mean climate change, lovely euphemism? Don't suggest it is due to mans effect on the earth.
That is not Christian. :dork:
Hang in there Race!!
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Okay, the big boob banana dancers stay in the quote.
So yes, in moments like this we do get reminded that crap is hitting the fan, and some (many) have been warning us about the wide spread possibilities of that poop spreading scenario.

3-D Maps Pictured Sandy's Devastation (http://insideclimatenews.org/news/20121101/hurricane-superstorm-sandy-storm-surge-rising-sea-levels-scientists-global-warming-climate-change-flooding)

[Starter]

D'you mean climate change?......lovely euphemism.
Don't suggest it is due to mans effect on the eart,. that is not real Christian. :dork:
Hang in there Race!!
That the climate is changing would be difficult to dispute. That man's activities is a major cause is much more open to discussion. I'm sure our greenhouse emissions have some effect, just how much is still unknown. The fact is that geologic records show that there has been dramatic climate change a number of times in the past - in both directions, cold and warm. And at times when there were no people.

[Tazio]

That the climate is changing would be difficult to dispute. That man's activities is a major cause is much more open to discussion. I'm sure our greenhouse emissions have some effect, just how much is still unknown. The fact is that geologic records show that there has been dramatic climate change a number of times in the past - in both directions, cold and warm. And at times when there were no people.

OK Einstein; first of all I was saying that the "New Normal" was a lovely euphemism.
My point was ‘let us hedge our bets’ by limiting worldwide deforestation and other unnatural treatment of the earth just in case it may help save our rock. And the bit about Christianity flew right over your, and Ble's head, because we do not need an agenda in this country or any other that will site creationism on the Christian right, to not uber-researh these matters, and then act on the science even if that takes 200 years, which personally I don't think we have IMHO

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPCFVLgdc2Q

[Starter]

OK Einstein; first of all I was saying that the "New Normal" was a lovely euphemism.
My point was ‘let us hedge our bets’ by limiting worldwide deforestation and other unnatural treatment of the earth just in case it may help save our rock. And the bit about Christianity flew right over your, and Ble's head, because we do not need an agenda in this country or any other that will site creationism on the Christian right, to not uber-researh these matters, and then act on the science even if that takes 200 years, which personally I don't think we have IMHO

Before The Deluge - Jackson Browne - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPCFVLgdc2Q)
You're insulting the wrong person (OK Einstein). I happen to be in agreement with the parts I highlited above. Not necessarily to limit global warming, but just to be good stewards of the planet. You may or may not be familiar with the theory that our destroying forests puts a big dent in the ability of the planet to sequester carbon. That could change everything, making the atmosphere unbreathable and making sea level rise a minor annoyance.

[Tazio]

You're insulting the wrong person (OK Einstein). I happen to be in agreement with the parts I highlited above. Not necessarily to limit global warming, but just to be good stewards of the planet. You may or may not be familiar with the theory that our destroying forests puts a big dent in the ability of the planet to sequester carbon. That could change everything, making the atmosphere unbreathable and making sea level rise a minor annoyance.You obviously didn't even peek at the link to YouTube I put in my last post, as soil sequestration is the first thing it goes into Horace Mann. Here is what happened; you posted "just how much is still unknown" . You tried to tell me things that I already implied. It would have been more appropriate for you to have not quoted anyone Dr Schweitzer. If you had just added an opinion you would have done yourself and this topic a service, Mother Theresa.

Btw @Race the reason I put the Banana girls the way I did was a metaphor for you guys on the Islands in NY to climb up on your sister’s shoulders to be able to get your head above water. Thanks for leaving it, but this lot (some of them) aren't clever enough for subtle imagery :dork:

[race aficionado]

Our climate is changing. And while the increase in extreme weather we have experienced in New York City and around the world may or may not be the result of it, the risk that it might be -- given this week’s devastation -- should compel all elected leaders to take immediate action.


A Vote for a President to Lead on Climate Change - Bloomberg (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-11-01/a-vote-for-a-president-to-lead-on-climate-change.html)

[Daniel]

I am utterly amazed at how unprepared they were for what was a fairly weak storm. The people up there should be ashamed of themselves for electing people who would rather cater to special interest groups and cronyism instead of doing what the government should be doing.

So what other really expensive and seldom used defences against natural disasters which seldom happen should NY pay for?

[Tazio]

So what other really expensive and seldom used defences against natural disasters which seldom happen should NY pay for?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24bRtzwK4rY

[BleAivano]

NY Times before and after satellite images: Surveying the Damage Along the Jersey Shore - Interactive Feature - NYTimes.com (http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012/11/01/nyregion/surveying-the-damage-along-the-new-jersey-shore.html?smid=tw-share)

[race aficionado]

wow.

[race aficionado]

I heard an interview yesterday with NY's governor Andrew Cuomo which I am making available with a link.
Check out how he talks about what lies ahead for NYC in particular.
I found it very interesting and wonderfully challenging.


New York Governor Andrew Cuomo Interview with Rachel Maddow on MSNBC (http://uneditedpolitics.com/2012/11/02/new-york-governor-andrew-cuomo-interview-with-rachel-maddow-on-msnbc-11112/)

"We can discuss the cause and have our different opinions, but we can't do so with the effects. The effects are a fact."

[Tazio]

But, will the insurance companies pay out for an "Act of God"? I have a suspicion this is a standard exclusion.The lending institutions make sure "that what they hold the title on" is covered for all eventualities. That is not to say that they won't try to disqualify the buyer, they will do that in any at fault reimburement. Biggest criminal racket going.

[Gregor-y]

Own nothing, owe everything!

[Tazio]

What if you're spending other people's money? :confused: :p :

[Tazio]

Hopefully you also have pics of you resembling the real doctor.
Here you go........Wait sh!t that's Dr Detroit :confused:

http://liberaldead.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/dr.-detroit-red-tux.jpg


Here is the most learned, unholy Signor Dr. Rappaccini :p :



http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/318924_367270960028017_2049018440_n.jpg

[gadjo_dilo]

Here is the most learned, unholy Signor Dr. Rappaccini :p :

http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/318924_367270960028017_2049018440_n.jpg

I can't see this picture so you're still a mistery to me. :laugh:




Here you go........Wait sh!t that's Dr Detroit

I prefer Dr. Bombay :laugh:
Calcutta - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6r1GrApjiM)

[Tazio]

I can't see this picture so you're still a mistery to me.My softer contemplative side
3040

Another pic of my little rock and roll angel:

http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/c0.0.403.403/p403x403/317046_158415614246887_1044569146_n.jpg

[gadjo_dilo]

Now I can't see the angel. But at least now I can see the demon.

(No offence, I'm just kidding).

[Tazio]

Now I can't see the angel. But at least now I can see the demon.

(No offence, I'm just kidding).Ah yes very good obsrvation!!!


"I would fain have been loved, not feared," murmured Beatrice, sinking down upon the ground.--"But now it matters not; I am going, father, where the evil, which thou hast striven to mingle with my being, will pass away like a dream--like the fragrance of these poisonous flowers, which will no longer taint my breath among the flowers of Eden. Farewell, Giovanni! Thy words of hatred are like lead within my heart--but they, too, will fall away as I ascend. Oh, was there not, from the first, more poison in thy nature than in mine?"

To Beatrice--so radically had her earthly part been wrought upon by Rappaccini's skill--as poison had been life, so the powerful antidote was death. And thus the poor victim of man's ingenuity and of thwarted nature, and of the fatality that attends all such efforts of perverted wisdom, perished there, at the feet of her father and Giovanni. Just at that moment, Professor Pietro Baglioni looked forth from the window, and called loudly, in a tone of triumph mixed with horror, to the thunder-stricken man of science: "Rappaccini! Rappaccini! And is this the upshot of your experiment?"

[Starter]

Supposedly there is another storm coming across the country. Turning south, then coming up the Atlantic seaboard. You never can be sure whether the news outlets are telling the truth or just pumping up ratings, but it may bring more heavy rain the the NJ / NY area.

[race aficionado]

It's also getting colder.