Rally Sweden 2013

[Doon]

Just booked my flights to Stockholm, for the Rally. Doing Thursday-Sunday. Was thinking of going with rallytravel but it works out quite expensive with just 2 people. So where is the best place to stay and be central for Friday and Saturday's stages? Would be nice to get a hot tub ;) but looking at spending 100 euros per night for a room, is this reasonable? How much is the Rally Pass roughly? Which are the best spots/stages to visit? Do the hire cars come with winter tyres, and are the roads fairly clear of snow. Sorry for my ignorance, but i've never visited Sweden before! Very excited and can't wait :)

Many thanks in advance for any advice!

Doon

[Doon]

2013 sorry!!! How do I change the title?

[pino]

Did that for you ;) btw I will be there too...with the same gang :D

[Doon]

Going to Sweden too next year, first proper snow rally, looking forward to it. Flight and accomodation booked, all tips are welcome! :)

Where are you staying?

[T.Maanteiden kuningas]

Let´s hope that there is massive loads snow and some ice. Proper winter rally is awesome.

[Doon]

Did that for you ;) btw I will be there too...with the same gang :D

Where you staying Pino? Would be nice to get somewhere with other rally fans around :)

[pino]

http://www.grasmarksgarden.com

[Camelopard]

I'm going as well, first to Monte Carlo then Sweden, both with Per Carlsson.

[J4MIE]

Yes going with Pino and the rest but I leave all the planning and organisation to them ;)

[Camelopard]

Yes going with Pino and the rest but I leave all the planning and organisation to them ;)

That's why I go with Per and Claudia (rallytravelS) , I just have to turn up with some warm clothes....

[Brother John]

Yes going with Pino and the rest but I leave all the planning and organisation to them ;)

http://www.motorsportforums.com/images/icons/icon14.png Yes booking is ready at www.grasmarksgarden.com (http://www.grasmarksgarden.com) for the usual gang. For the planning and organization we stay in contact via message.
As usual we will enjoy RALLY SWEDEN. :D

[SunDanceRanch]

You also can book at our place.
We are placed 15 kilomters from the service area Hagfors Airport.
And enjoy playing pool,darts or sitting near our fire place efter a long cold day out.

Startpagina Sun Dance Ranch (http://www.sundanceranch.eu)

[Koceens]

Guys, where are you searching accommodation for rally Sweden? I have some links bookmarked, but not really much to choose from.

[MartijnS]

We once stayed here: Hedegrds Pensionat, nederlands, herfstvakantie, paddestoelen (http://www.hedegardspensionat.com/) .
Really good, we had a house provided by them, but they also have rooms around their own house.
Warm meal every night in the dining area. Team of Prokop was also staying there :)

[Rallyper]

We once stayed here: Hedegrds Pensionat, nederlands, herfstvakantie, paddestoelen (http://www.hedegardspensionat.com/) .
Really good, we had a house provided by them, but they also have rooms around their own house.
Warm meal every night in the dining area. Team of Prokop was also staying there :)

Good place! Been there myself acouple of years ago during the rally.

[tommeke_B]

Good to know, we're staying there. Booked for 8 persons.
Flying from Brussels to Stockholm (Bromma) on wednesday, returning on monday.
Now just a rental car to book and we're ready to go. :)

[BleAivano]

not sure if I will bother this time, I usually only have the possibility to go on Saturday's stages and it I can't say
that I feel particular excited over the Saturday stages.

[Rallyper]

not sure if I will bother this time, I usually only have the possibility to go on Saturday's stages and it I can't say
that I feel particular excited over the Saturday stages.

What I can see there´s nothing new, so I kind of agree. But the rally itself can be spectacular in many ways depending on road surfaces and weather.

[J4MIE]

Can also depend on what's cooking on the fire :D

[pino]

...or what's in the bottle :lips: :p :

[Rallyper]

Yeah, yeah, but matters in every rally... not only Sweden.

[T.Maanteiden kuningas]

...or what's in the bottle :lips: :p :

Lot´s of proper anti-freeze inside the body. Finest Absolut Kossu mix is quite allright in Swedish forest.

[tommeke_B]

Maps and itinerary online... :) http://www.rallysweden.com/the-rally-2013/maps-itinerary?lang=en

[jbmarcus21]

Road program with timetable and kilometers Wrc Rally Sweden 2013 (http://planetemarcus.com/saison-wrc/suede-2013/)

[alexinvancouver]

i wonder if there's a way to read a price list in English :(
grasmarksgarden

[Viking]

Rally Sweden will have an historic class in 2013 :up:

Rally Sweden satsar historiskt « Rally Sweden (http://www.rallysweden.com/rally-sweden-satsar-historiskt)

[MikeDeHigh]

what would be the best 'open' airport to fly to? cant find the right connection from holland....

thx ahead

[MartijnS]

Eindhoven - Stockholm Skavsta is cheap from wednesday until monday with Ryanair.
Few hours drive to rally area.

[SubaruNorway]

Use Cheap flights | Free flight comparison from Skyscanner.net (http://www.skyscanner.com) Gardermoen, Norway is a actually the shortest to Hagfors.

[gravelman]

Flying from Dublin on the Tuesday, fourth time going, can't wait.

[pino]

i wonder if there's a way to read a price list in English :(

Off course there is, you just have to chose english language ;)

http://www.grasmarksgarden.com/EN_index.html

[alexinvancouver]

Off course there is, you just have to chose english language ;)

i know it does but when You click on it price list is still in Swedish
i have no idea what is
"Stuga Ros" or
nattvecka
tors- sön
sön- tors
=o(

[OldF]

Note, these prices are from 2011 but explanations in English.

Gräsmarksgården, the greatest holiday park in the heart of Värmland! (http://www.grasmarksgarden.com/EN_prijzen.html)

[BleAivano]

i know it does but when You click on it price list is still in Swedish
i have no idea what is
"Stuga Ros" or
nattvecka
tors- sön
sön- tors
=o(


Stuga = Cabin.
Ros is the smaller cabin size 2-4 persons prize was set to 2450SEK for 2012's Swedish rally weekend.
Lilja is the larger cabin size 6-8 persons. prize was set to 3335 for 2012's Swedish rally weekend.
natt is prize for one night.
Vecka is prize for one week
tors-sön is prize for Thursday to Sunday
Sön-tors is prize for Sunday to Thursday.
Vandrarhem is youth hostel
rum is room
lägenhet is apartment.


Sauna is available for 50SEK per person for two hours.
Garmin GPS is possible to rent for either 50SEK/day or 250SEK for a week.
If you want to rent bed sheets they are 50SEK extra per set.
If you want breakfast its 55SEK per guest/night
If you don't want to the the check-out cleaning yourself you can buy it
for 350 SEK per room/cabin/apartment

Prime season (for 2012) was February 8 to August 31st.

For airports either Gardemoen, Oslo, Norway or Stockholm,Västerås-Hässlö (VST/ESOW) (http://www.vst.nu/), Sweden
The latter only have flights to from Stansted with Ryanair once a day on Mon, Wed, Fri and Sunday.
VST is about the same distance from Hagfors as OSL.

[SunDanceRanch]

what would be the best 'open' airport to fly to? cant find the right connection from holland....

thx ahead

Hi Mike you can fly from Eindhoven-Skavsta or Bremen-Goteborg or Weeze-Skavsta of Västerås this is al with Ryan air.
Or you can fly from Amsterdam-Oslo Gardemoen with the SAS,KLM or Norwegian.
And now hoping for alot off snow in januari and februari.
Greetings Dimitry

[BleAivano]

Hi Mike you can fly from Eindhoven-Skavsta or Bremen-Goteborg or Weeze-Skavsta of Västerås this is al with Ryan air.
Or you can fly from Amsterdam-Oslo Gardemoen with the SAS,KLM or Norwegian.
And now hoping for alot off snow in januari and februari.
Greetings Dimitry

Göteborg is even further away then Arlanda. ;)

But as said previously by others, I think Gardemoen would be his best bet.
Ryanair does only fly to/from Standstead/Alicante from Västerås.

[Mintexmemory]

Flying Norwegian from Gatwick to Gardemoen is £84 return -which seems very good to me.
Maybe 2015 as 2014 is going to be Monte year for me. Let me know if anyone might have a group vacancy in 2 years time ;)

[tommeke_B]

We're flying Brussels (Zaventem) - Stockholm (Bromma), wednesday-monday. Price was between 100-130 euros, depending on when you booked. Perhaps a little bit more expensive than Ryanair, but 12kg hand-baggage (in stead of 10) and 23kg baggage (in stead of 15), and numbered seats... Especially more baggage is useful when you're going to a winter-event with already hand-baggage full of photo-gear... :)

[Anders Grøndal]

I can`t wait to go to Sweden 2013!!

[tolis]

I can`t wait to go to Sweden 2013!!
What are your plans for 2013 Anders?

[pino]

I really hope someone will give Petter a car for this event :D

[Koceens]

2013. will be my 3rd time visiting rally Sweden and I have to say that itinerary isn't really friendly for spectators. Actually I'm a bit disappointed because every year the same stages with some small changes. Not much places to choose from. For example Sagen stage is really great, but you can reach it only from start or finish. 2 years ago we tried to drive the small road which leads to the middle of the Sagen stage, but when it was about 10 km to go the road just ended as the snow wasn't removed from the road.
Anyway it's specific only for winter rallies and I still can't wait to go there and will always appreciate information about the great spots from local rally fans.

[BleAivano]

2013. will be my 3rd time visiting rally Sweden and I have to say that itinerary isn't really friendly for spectators.
Actually I'm a bit disappointed because every year the same stages with some small changes. Not much places to choose from. For example
Sagen stage is really great, but you can reach it only from start or finish. 2 years ago we tried to drive the small road which leads to the middle
of the Sagen stage, but when it was about 10 km to go the road just ended as the snow wasn't removed from the road.
Anyway it's specific only for winter rallies and I still can't wait to go there and will always appreciate information about the great spots from local rally fans.

Yeah I agree, and also stages are almost always in the same order.

I guess that has to do with cost saving that it is too expensive to have more/new stages.

I also definitely think that they need one more stage per loop for Friday and Saturday so that there is at least one full "dark" stage.

[Rallyper]

There were talks this year having the rally more down in Dalarna picking up some old stages from the 90´s, but then nothing happened. I agree fully, the stages of RS isn´t exciting anymore. (Except for Colin´s crest - and being there just walk about one k against start and there are som very good bends and jumps)

[BleAivano]

There were talks this year having the rally more down in Dalarna picking up some old stages from the 90´s,
but then nothing happened. I agree fully, the stages of RS isn´t exciting anymore. (Except for Colin´s crest - and being there just walk
about one k against start and there are som very good bends and jumps)


Could it be related to that Fortifikationsverket decided that no sportsactivity was allowed on their land anymore?

Previously the military had owned their own land and sports activity on it have not been a problem.
However now Fortv. have taken over all land owned by the millitray and they decided that no sportsactivity
was allowed on their land anymore.

I know Rally Organizers wanted to have a sprint rally during the cross-country skiing week in Falun. However Fortv. said no.



Ddsstten fr svensk rallysport? (http://www.bilsport.se/nyheter/104630/dodsstoten-for-svensk-rallysport/)
Tävlingar stoppas på försvarets mark | Sport | SvD (http://www.svd.se/sport/tavlingar-stoppas-pa-forsvarets-mark_7617204.svd)

[SubaruNorway]

Bad thing about having the Norwegian stages on sunday is that it sucks a bit going all the way back to Norway for us Norwegians then back into Sweden to get the powerstage or Podium. Wasn't a very easy day to figure out what stages to do either...

[Rallyper]

Could it be related to that Fortifikationsverket decided that no sportsactivity was allowed on their land anymore?

Previously the military had owned their own land and sports activity on it have not been a problem.
However now Fortv. have taken over all land owned by the millitray and they decided that no sportsactivity
was allowed on their land anymore.

I know Rally Organizers wanted to have a sprint rally during the cross-country skiing week in Falun. However Fortv. said no.



Ddsstten fr svensk rallysport? (http://www.bilsport.se/nyheter/104630/dodsstoten-for-svensk-rallysport/)
Tävlingar stoppas på försvarets mark | Sport | SvD (http://www.svd.se/sport/tavlingar-stoppas-pa-forsvarets-mark_7617204.svd)

No, I don´t think so. Two different cases. Local newspapers did believe that some new stages (from 90´s) would come out of new agreements with municipalitys in Dalarna.


Bad thing about having the Norwegian stages on sunday is that it sucks a bit going all the way back to Norway for us Norwegians then back into Sweden to get the powerstage or Podium. Wasn't a very easy day to figure out what stages to do either...

The other way around for us living in the eastern parts of sweden. Norway the first day isn´t best solution for us. Now we can watch two days and being at home on saturday evening in time. Last day two years ago by the way, everything was setled and nothing really happened, only minus 26 degrees I recall.

[tommeke_B]

Anyone has earth-maps or just maps from previous editions of Sweden (before 2011)? I would like to invest some time in watching onboard videos to find some places... I don't mind most stages staying same, as I'm going for the first time. :)

[SubaruNorway]

My inboard collection if someone needs it :)
Figure out what's what yourself, too much to write.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfRtajWvQIY Kimi Värmullsåsen
Classic Onboards: Richard Burns Sweden 2001 - Sågen (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWdbiWK_M3s)
Loeb onboard - Sweden Rally 2006 Vargåsen Part 01 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTHi0f9DwM0&playnext=1&list=PLDD2A8BE1B36A71FB)
Loeb onboard - Sweden Rally 2006 Vargåsen Part 02 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haw5ybEANE8&feature=related)
SS4 TORNTORP/Torsby RALLY SWEDEN 2010 SM - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WgPqkDmvDQ)
SS6 VARGÅSEN - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2Tsrgs7tPA)
WRC 2006 Round02 Sweden Gianluigi Galli SS3 Fredriksberg reverse (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdlXI1XWgyM)
ss19 Rally Sweden Lesjöfors_0001.wmv - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pUdznB0JJE&feature=related)
WRC Onboards: Norway 2009: Mathew Wilson SS09 Kirkenær (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2XYf3ZVD1M&feature=plcp&context=C393003cUDOEgsToPDskKFt75MtRG1wzVeJjcqABvE )
Rally Sweden SM 2011 - Incar SS10 Fredriksberg 1 - jcmotorsport.se - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XP-2ieTvsqA&feature=youtu.be&hd=1)
WRC Onboards: Rally Sweden 2011 - Mikko Hirvonen SS17 Torsby/Thorntorp (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GccuV2kIbbQ&feature=plcp&context=C3da761eUDOEgsToPDskKe5xyCNN5CDGhWbUgmSlsh )
J.Semerád (Lancer EVO IX) - Swedish rally 2008 (RZ20) - Rämmen (http://rallyvidea.blog.cz/0803/j-semerad-lancer-evo-ix-swedish-rally-2008-rz20-onboard)
Sågen Rally Sweden 2010 with Tommy Vestlund - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQrSOV-lYv8)
Thunström / Edvardsspn svenska rallyt 2011 Sågen - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouM9Ly8LWkA&lr=1)
Thunström / Edvardsson Svenska rallyt 2011 - Lesjöfors (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EL8Qsebc_pI&lr=1)
Rally Sweden 2011 - SS8 Niklas Karlsson - Lesjöfors (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOOqDy2GeZU)

[VFTS]

Bad thing about having the Norwegian stages on sunday is that it sucks a bit going all the way back to Norway for us Norwegians then back into Sweden to get the powerstage or Podium. Wasn't a very easy day to figure out what stages to do either...

I totally agree!

Every year lots of norwegians are coming to Sweden, but when it was Rally Norway and last year with the friday stages in Norway only a few swedes travelled to Norway.
The organizers in Norway loose at lot of income.

I am quite sure that on 2013-sunday stages in Norway it will not be many swedish flags.

[BleAivano]

@SunDanceRanch and @Rallyper

You two live in Värmland area right? What does the snow conditions look like at the moment?

[Salist]

Rottneros Webcam - Weather Rottneros, Sunne Riksväg 45 vid Kolsnäs (Rottneros, Sweden) (http://hu.webcams.travel/webcam/1216893303-Weather-Sunne-Riksväg-45-vid-Kolsnäs-Rottneros)

[MTA]

Big thanks SubaruNorway! :)

[bluuford]

@SunDanceRanch and @Rallyper

You two live in Värmland area right? What does the snow conditions look like at the moment?

Latest data from Friday says that there are 10-15 cm of snow on the rally region. More snow and temperatures as low as -20 degrees for the next week.

[Rallyper]

Well, I´m not living in the area. But I´ve heard the organization is very comfortable with the weathercircumstances right now. Around Fredriksberg 2-3 dm of snow and a bit freeze of the surface, but not much. Stages are plowed just for freezing more.

[Salist]

Snow report website (http://www.smhi.se/klimatdata/meteorologi/sno/snodjup_2011_2012)

[Doon]

Just booked my Rally passes! Can wait. Just need to find a hotel :)

[Fly_Half]

We're also thinking about making our first trip to Sweden, so any help regarding the best spots on the stages would be much appreciated!

[Sami]

Is there Super Rally Rule in Swedish rally 2013.. Seems that there isn't, as there's only an hour between Kirkenaer1 and Kirkenaer2?

[tommeke_B]

Is there Super Rally Rule in Swedish rally 2013.. Seems that there isn't, as there's only an hour between Kirkenaer1 and Kirkenaer2?
It was there this year too I think? ;) Kirkener 1 and 2 are in the same leg, so what's the problem? With rally2 you can only restart in the leg after the one retired... ;)

[Sami]

It was there this year too I think? ;) Kirkener 1 and 2 are in the same leg, so what's the problem? With rally2 you can only restart in the leg after the one retired... ;)

Oh! Nice piece of information. But I knew it already, I'm not really a beginner anymore... :)

I try to make my point clear.

If Kirkenaer2 starts only an hour after Kirkenaer1 started, with more than 30 cars it would impossible.

So, either they expect a very low number of entries or there is no super rally rule (rally2 rule).

[Prisoner Monkeys]

Or it's a relatively short stage.

Or it's a long stage, but the start and the finish are actually very close to one another geographically.

[MartijnS]

Maybe they do the same like Wales 2011, when at the Great Orme stage the 2 runs were mixed up, so when the second run began the 2 stages ran at the same time, with someone from the first stage starting in front of the first of the second stage and so on..

[Mintexmemory]

It was there this year too I think? ;)

Nope, 2012 Kirkener 1 start was 10.03 - Leg 1. Kirkener 2 start was 13.23 - Leg 2.

I believe it will be a compositing or typo error as only 1 hour between the 2 runs would make no sense in an event like Sweden

[Mintexmemory]

Maybe they do the same like Wales 2011, when at the Great Orme stage the 2 runs were mixed up, so when the second run began the 2 stages ran at the same time, with someone from the first stage starting in front of the first of the second stage and so on..
Ok on a short tarmac stage but snow...?

[MartijnS]

Yeah, it seems unlikely ;)

[tommeke_B]

There is 1h13mins between. It's a short kind of superspecial-stage. From onboard all spectators were on one side of the stage. So let's assume they don't need to run a 0-car between both runs. If they let first 15 cars run every 2 minutes, and others every minute, with some small margin, let's say they can still have 45-50 cars then. And this year they had 54 entries... Quite strange indeed, but if there are not more entries next year, it is possible...

[Sami]

There is 1h13mins between. It's a short kind of superspecial-stage. From onboard all spectators were on one side of the stage. So let's assume they don't need to run a 0-car between both runs. If they let first 15 cars run every 2 minutes, and others every minute, with some small margin, let's say they can still have 45-50 cars then. And this year they had 54 entries... Quite strange indeed, but if there are not more entries next year, it is possible...

Ok that might be possible, as the stage is run in bicycle paths of Kirkenaer, but still there's places where offs might happen (as we all know from 2012) and stuck the stage. These could easily ruin the schedule. Quite a risk, I think.

But the more important question is still to be answered, super rally rule or no?

[SubaruNorway]

Not on bicycle paths but between the river and the bank to prevent flooding. Not much to see unless you can manage to sneak into the forest somewhere.WRC Onboards: Norway 2009: Mathew Wilson SS09 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2XYf3ZVD1M&feature=plcp&context=C393003cUDOEgsToPDskKFt75MtRG1wzVeJjcqABvE )

Yes, there will be Rally 2 next year (super rally)

[Sami]

I meant "bicycle paths", that is very small and narrow roads. I've been in Kirkenaer twice, stand the on the bank. But this year I'll be in Finnskogen again, no question about that. :)

And thanks for the info, great news about super rally!

[Micke_VOC]

Entry-list for the historic-class:
Anmälningslista (http://www.raceconsulting.com/rally/anmalan/listor/lista.jsp?tavling=613&urval=granskaddeltar&sortering=tavlingsklasslicensklassinkom&rubrik=Anm%E4lningslista&min=1&max=2&rubrik2=Anm%E4lningslistor)

They will drive 6 stages of friday and saturday stages.

[Jordib]

Entry-list for the historic-class:
Anmälningslista (http://www.raceconsulting.com/rally/anmalan/listor/lista.jsp?tavling=613&urval=granskaddeltar&sortering=tavlingsklasslicensklassinkom&rubrik=Anm%E4lningslista&min=1&max=2&rubrik2=Anm%E4lningslistor)

They will drive 6 stages of friday and saturday stages.

Is this the final entry list? i don't see any legend driver as announced on press release :(

[Micke_VOC]

Is this the final entry list? i don't see any legend driver as announced on press release :(

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[Jordib]

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OK, i hope to see some scandinavian and finnish legends live there!!

Thanks.

[tommeke_B]

Anyone who has some tips of nice places that stand out from the other random places along the stage?

[Astro83]

Now is the booking of hotell and rallypass done! I cant wait! 7 feb!!

STF Hostel Karlstad, central of Karlstad.. Very cheap so I can recommend it!


:cool:

[PLuto]

Young swedish driver Pontus Tidemand is in talks with M-Sport about his start in Rally Sweden with Ford Fiesta RS WRC. And as there is still possibility to have free seat at Prodrive...

[Astro83]

Young swedish driver Pontus Tidemand is in talks with M-Sport about his start in Rally Sweden with Ford Fiesta RS WRC. And as there is still possibility to have free seat at Prodrive...


PLuto, were have you been reading that Tidemand talks with M-Sport for a drive in a Fiesta WRC for Rally Sweden???
If it's true, I hope i can raise money! He has already drive a Fiesta WRC on test here in Sweden. That was Ingemar Svenssons Fiesta WRC.

[rallyfiend]

Young swedish driver Pontus Tidemand is in talks with M-Sport about his start in Rally Sweden with Ford Fiesta RS WRC. And as there is still possibility to have free seat at Prodrive...

'free' of course meaning 'vacant'!!

[Mintexmemory]

Young swedish driver Pontus Tidemand is in talks with M-Sport about his start in Rally Sweden with Ford Fiesta RS WRC. And as there is still possibility to have free seat at Prodrive...
Well we know about his family connections and good luck to the guy for wanting to drive in his home rally but does anyone else think this is a case of running before he walks? His performances in the 2012 academy were not 'sit up and take notice' in the style of Breen and Kaur in 2011 or Evans in 2012. If this is going to be the career path of choice, henceforth, then I can easily see Evans getting a Fiesta WRC for Wales. Perhaps we need a thread to predict the best rookie result of 2013!

[Rallyper]

Well we know about his family connections and good luck to the guy for wanting to drive in his home rally but does anyone else think this is a case of running before he walks? His performances in the 2012 academy were not 'sit up and take notice' in the style of Breen and Kaur in 2011 or Evans in 2012. If this is going to be the career path of choice, henceforth, then I can easily see Evans getting a Fiesta WRC for Wales. Perhaps we need a thread to predict the best rookie result of 2013!

You don´t know anything about his performance in Swedish championship 2012 in his S2000 Fiesta, do you?

[Astro83]

You don´t know anything about his performance in Swedish championship 2012 in his S2000 Fiesta, do you?

Or his strong performance in Evenrally Fabia S2000 ;)

His first drive in WRC Academy and with some bad luck, he show that with right support, he will be a really good rallydriver in the top 10....
In Sweden and Norway there isent any real tarmac rallys because of tragic accident in the past so Pontus showed this year that he anyway with a lack of experiense is fast on tarmac, and on gravel Pontus is as fast as Evans and the other guys!

Pontus is a great young rallydriver with a goal! Watch out! ;)

[Rallyper]

Yes Astro - Fabia it was. And Fiesta WRC in one shot... :o

[Mintexmemory]

You don´t know anything about his performance in Swedish championship 2012 in his S2000 Fiesta, do you?

True, I don't Per - who was he beating and in what machinery? As for the line about lack of tarmac experience - Evans wasn't exactly familiar with the blackstuff pre-2012. On snow and ice he should be able to make the most of his experience but I'm willing to bet a large number of beers that when they face off in equal machinery that Evans will always be quicker - do we have a wager?

[Rallyper]

No problem. We´ll meet in Finland and the loser buys the beers... at some place. Maybe Wednesday night at Paviljonki Sokos hotel? (If we have a result, that of course) :p

Astro - are you on?

[tommeke_B]

With 8 euros/beer it's already quite some bet, if you bet for a few. :D

[Rallyper]

With 8 euros/beer it's already quite some bet, if you bet for a few. :D

Two is enough...

[Astro83]

No problem. We´ll meet in Finland and the loser buys the beers... at some place. Maybe Wednesday night at Paviljonki Sokos hotel? (If we have a result, that of course) :p

Astro - are you on?

I'm in!!! always! :D I'm going to Rally Sweden and Finland this year.

Mintexmemory... Evans have much more experience then Tidemand on tarmac. That's it! ;)
But you will loose this bet, so prepare yourself! :P

[Astro83]

Pontus Tidemand Try Ingemar Svenssons Fiesta WRC

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lfkPvkbDiM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40wzDKQFnYQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPbEVC9ejhQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoN50Ji2mnE


And this, a pre test from this summer with the Fabia S2000 before South Swedish Rally
Nice driving...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BtodHfb6V4

[Mintexmemory]

Finland it is but it isn't going to be 2013 as Evans won't be in a WRC car until GB at the earliest. Of course I'm happy to accept head to head in WRC2 on gravel if it happens anywhere. My itinerary for the next 20 months is. Germany 2013. GB 2013 MC 2014 Finland 2014 and possibly Ypres or San Marino in 2013. But the prize can be claimed whenever we get to meet up in future ;)

[bauwie]

Can someone tell me where the overnight parc ferme is situated?

[tommeke_B]

Can someone tell me where the overnight parc ferme is situated?
For first car:
Thursday:
Parc Fermé Karlstad in at 20:44

Friday:
Parc Fermé Karlstad out at 06:10
Parc Fermé Karlstad in at 19:40

Saturday:
Parc Fermé Karlstad out at 06:15
Parc Fermé Hagfors in at 17:27-20:00 (flexi service, all cars must be in before 20:00)

Sunday:
Parc Fermé Hagfors out at 06:00

So 2 times in Karlstad and once in Hagfors, I don't know an exact location (most likely near the superspecial in Karlstad and near service in Hagfors), maybe some Swedish member knows?

[SunDanceRanch]

For the people who is interrested the temperature was plus 2 today with a little rain,so it should become little ice on the road.
Next days we should have some more snow so the road should become better and better.

Greetings from Ekshärad

[Astro83]

Is there any timetable out yet? Can't find it...

[tommeke_B]

Is there any timetable out yet? Can't find it...

http://www.rallysweden.com/wp-content/uploads/Rally-Sweden-2013-Itinerary-version-3.0.pdf - Here it is. ;)

[Micke_VOC]

For first car:
Thursday:
Parc Fermé Karlstad in at 20:44

Friday:
Parc Fermé Karlstad out at 06:10
Parc Fermé Karlstad in at 19:40

Saturday:
Parc Fermé Karlstad out at 06:15
Parc Fermé Hagfors in at 17:27-20:00 (flexi service, all cars must be in before 20:00)

Sunday:
Parc Fermé Hagfors out at 06:00

So 2 times in Karlstad and once in Hagfors, I don't know an exact location (most likely near the superspecial in Karlstad and near service in Hagfors), maybe some Swedish member knows?

Usually it is in a parking garage near the Hotel Scandic Winn...
And in Hagfors i dont know..has been different locations there

[Astro83]

Thanks!! :)

[BleAivano]

For the people who is interrested the temperature was plus 2 today with a little rain,so it should become little ice on the road.
Next days we should have some more snow so the road should become better and better.

Greetings from Ekshärad

weather forecasts:

Prognos Hagfors | SMHI (http://www.smhi.se/vadret/vadret-i-sverige/land/hourByHourTable.do?starttime=2012-12-30+23%3a00%3a00&endtime=2013-01-08+22%3a59%3a00&geonameid=2709214&redirect=false)

Langtidsvarsel for Hagfors, Värmland (Sverige) (http://www.yr.no/sted/Sverige/V%C3%A4rmland/Hagfors/langtidsvarsel.html)

[tfp]

I'm in!!! always! :D I'm going to Rally Sweden and Finland this year.

Mintexmemory... Evans have much more experience then Tidemand on tarmac. That's it! ;)
But you will loose this bet, so prepare yourself! :P

Nice to see the friendly banter hasnt gone from the site :D

I'd back Evans with this one, but lets all go to GB, so if I lose, me and Mintex dont have to spend as much on beers :s mokin: :burp:

[Astro83]

Tsss.... ;) :D

[padWRC]

WRC entries in Sweden:

2013 :?? Cars
2012 :19 Cars
2011 :13 Cars
2010 :18 Cars
2009 :-
2008 :19 Cars
2007 :21 Cars
2006 :26 Cars
2005 :23 Cars
2004 :23 Cars
2003 :30 Cars
2002 :30 Cars
2001 :30 Cars
2000 :21 Cars
1999 :15 Cars
1998 :9 Cars
1997 :4 Cars

[Rally Hokkaido]

Did you include the Ralliart cars? ;-)


WRC entries in Sweden:

2013 :?? Cars
2012 :19 Cars
2011 :13 Cars
2010 :18 Cars
2009 :-
2008 :19 Cars
2007 :21 Cars
2006 :26 Cars
2005 :23 Cars
2004 :23 Cars
2003 :30 Cars
2002 :30 Cars
2001 :30 Cars
2000 :21 Cars
1999 :15 Cars
1998 :9 Cars
1997 :4 Cars

[Salist]

Friday 11 January 2013 - Publication of draft entry list with allocated competition numbers

Source: Rally Guide 1.

[tommeke_B]

Anyone who has some tips of nice places that stand out from the other random places along the stage?
Nobody apparently?

[Rallyper]

I said it earlier: about one and a half K before Colins Crest is a good part. From junction and onwards Colins crest (800m) there´s bends and good jump and then righthander where swedish ace Jonas Wigren went off two yrs ago.

Just take the turn before CC parking.

On Fredriksberg 200meters in stage direction from fourway junction at Mörttjärn (about 4,5 K into the stage) good place watching the cars for about one K in nice bends.

[SubaruNorway]

I said it earlier: about one and a half K before Colins Crest is a good part. From junction and onwards Colins crest (800m) there´s bends and good jump and then righthander where swedish ace Jonas Wigren went off two yrs ago.

Just take the turn before CC parking.

On Fredriksberg 200meters in stage direction from fourway junction at Mörttjärn (about 4,5 K into the stage) good place watching the cars for about one K in nice bends.

The jump before Colins Crest at the start of my video from 2010
WRC Swedish Rally 2010 Part 2 of 2 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJsNsIWfbOc)
If there hadn't been some very loud speakers on the inside of the right hander just after it i would have been there, 4 right over crest into a short 5 left i think the note is there.

[Rallyper]

The jump before Colins Crest at the start of my video from 2010
WRC Swedish Rally 2010 Part 2 of 2 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJsNsIWfbOc)
If there hadn't been some very loud speakers on the inside of the right hander just after it i would have been there, 4 right over crest into a short 5 left i think the note is there.

Jepp, that´s the one! As you can see there are some slow corners where the touristdrivers use to go off just before the crest. I´d say it very spectacular just after the jump as well.

[BleAivano]

Nobody apparently?

Ransbysätter at Vargåsen stage. Go to the right when you enter the stage.
Keep walking to an open areawith hamburgers and etc for sale, several bends at this area.
before (from a driver point of view) that area a sharp left hand turn over a small/narrow bridge.
Before that a long downhill straight and before that a section with several lighter bends.
I don't remember but i think parking was at an organized parking and not on an access road.


Vargåsen, Sp.A. Älgtjärn, after the stage entry go right, continue walking up the long hill and
continue through/beyond the hairpin. You will get to a section with a large bend combination that
ends with a slight s-bend that leads to the hairpin. There were no trees except at the hairpin so
you can see the cars both in the bend-complex and during their "descent" down the hill ( I did not film it). See this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=7JshUr6bRTo&list=UU-Ks9UaD5qAK2HqYACbqTDw#t=277s).
Parking was at the access road so be early or be prepared to walk a looong distance.


I would like some advice about Rämmen. Anyone know any good spots?

[SubaruNorway]

I would like some advice about Rämmen. Anyone know any good spots?

Nothing special but a nice fast place about 1km from the startline, i got close to it with media sticker so bit further walking from the main road.
Petter scared the hell out of me :p
WRC Swedish Rally 2011 - YouTube (http://youtu.be/b5v-MVYxtr8?t=13m20s)

[BleAivano]

Ransbysätter at Vargåsen stage & Vargåsen, Sp.A. Älgtjärn,

Ransbysätter at Vargåsen stage. In-car footage: Loeb onboard - Sweden Rally 2006 Part 02 - YouTube (http://youtu.be/haw5ybEANE8?t=3m19s)


Vargåsen, Sp.A. Älgtjärn,
you can see the cars both in the bend-complex and during their "descent" down the hill ( I did not film it). See this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=7JshUr6bRTo&list=UU-Ks9UaD5qAK2HqYACbqTDw#t=277s).
Parking was at the access road so be early or be prepared to walk a looong distance.

In-car footage: Loeb onboard - Sweden Rally 2006 Part 01 - YouTube (http://youtu.be/GTHi0f9DwM0?t=4m38s)


I would like some advice about Rämmen. Anyone know any good spots?

[tommeke_B]

Thanks guys! ;)

[Micke_VOC]

Ransbysätter at Vargåsen stage. In-car footage: Loeb onboard - Sweden Rally 2006 Part 02 - YouTube (http://youtu.be/haw5ybEANE8?t=3m19s)


Vargåsen, Sp.A. Älgtjärn,
you can see the cars both in the bend-complex and during their "descent" down the hill ( I did not film it). See this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=7JshUr6bRTo&list=UU-Ks9UaD5qAK2HqYACbqTDw#t=277s).
Parking was at the access road so be early or be prepared to walk a looong distance.

In-car footage: Loeb onboard - Sweden Rally 2006 Part 01 - YouTube (http://youtu.be/GTHi0f9DwM0?t=4m38s)


I would like some advice about Rämmen. Anyone know any good
?

Rämmen:
Park close to last junction (Ulriksberg), go 500 m against the cars and you have a couple of good corners.
Begin with a left, then over crest and into a left to a right.

[Vargåsen]

Nobody apparently?

A couple of suggestions from "my forests".

Vargåsen - Actually, I think the whole part between Sätterbäcken (Älgtjärn) and Ransbysätter is full of nice places, but a couple of favourites are the part around about 800 m before Colins Crest where a tight left-hander , "the suryp corner", followed by a right-hand corner over a couple of jumps, is a nice combination. The Colins Crest is spectacular when the drivers want to (like it was in 2011). There you want to stand ON the crest, because in the spectator crowd afterwards you won't see a lot. About 2km after the junction after Colins Crest, there is another nice place, Dunderängen (Thunder Meadow). Nice places where the road passes a house, Marius Aasen went of and parked in the door of a little ice cellar here in 2012.

Torsby - The spectator place in the middle of the stage at lake Björklången is nice.

[Hartusvuori]

Thanks to Juho Hänninen's announcement to drive in Sweden with Fiesta WRC (and also because of VW and Loeb), I was urged to get myself on the snowbanks of Rally Sweden, and that seems to be the case now, even if it was last minute. Let's hope Juho deliveres, we have the new flag prepared... I am a first timer for the rally, so if you feel like it, PM or post here as many tips as you like for places to spectate, move around between stages, etc. Thanks to those that have already helped.

Just in case you are still wondering whether to go or not, it looked that it's not impossible to find accomdation nearby Hagfors. Of course only few options, and those few are too counting out, but still not impossible, I think.

[Mintexmemory]

Thanks to Juho Hänninen's announcement to drive in Sweden with Fiesta WRC (and also because of VW and Loeb), I was urged to get myself on the snowbanks of Rally Sweden, and that seems to be the case now, even if it was last minute. Let's hope Juho deliveres, we have the new flag prepared... I am a first timer for the rally, so if you feel like it, PM or post here as many tips as you like for places to spectate, move around between stages, etc. Thanks to those that have already helped.



Just in case you are still wondering whether to go or not, it looked that it's not impossible to find accomdation nearby Hagfors. Of course only few options, and those few are too counting out, but still not impossible, I think.


Wheras, nearly all accomodation in Jyvaskyla for 2013 is taken already!! Anyone fancy making a party of 4 for NORF in 2014 - Meet at London Heathrow or Helsinki -Cost could be £300 including flight from UK, 3 nights B&B, Car Hire and Rally Pass

[KAMV]

On Vargasen you have on Lövstaholm Larssäter different fast jumps where they jump sideways. Lovely place there.
On Sagen you have Lakotjam on the track go to the left arround the lake. A bit further there (at the lake ) is a large wide left hand corner. A lot of pilots hits the snow banks.
Frederiksberg, just before the FF.
Rämmen go to between the lake and Flasjön, different fast and very large corners, very slippy.

or what's in the bottle

i love it

[HarriK]

Jari Ketoma will do RallySweden (https://twitter.com/RallySweden).- this time he will a Fiesta WRC car again on DMACK_Tyres (https://twitter.com/DMACK_Tyres)

Jari Ketomaa will also drive in Round 2 of theFIAERC (https://twitter.com/FIAERC) LVRally (https://twitter.com/LVRally) in a Ford Fiesta RRC car. He will use DMACK_Tyres (https://twitter.com/DMACK_Tyres) on the car.

[satukata]

Last years DMACK winter tyre was very poor. This year it will be better said Ketomaa Ketomaa saa WRC-kilpurin Ruotsin MM-ralliin - MTV3.fi - Urheilu - Ralli - Uutiset (http://www.mtv3.fi/urheilu/ralli/uutiset.shtml/2013/01/1686367/ketomaa-saa-wrc-kilpurin-ruotsin-mm-ralliin)
Jari Ketomaa gets drive for snow WRC and ERC rallies - WRC news - AUTOSPORT.com (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/105008)

[donlorean]

Finnish newspaper Iltasanomat says that Jarkko Nikara will drive Mini in Sweden...

Suomalaislupaus Jarkko Nikara jatkaa Minin WRC-autolla - Ralli - Ilta-Sanomat (http://www.iltasanomat.fi/ralli/art-1288530461977.html)

[mousti]

Tidemand confirmed for Sweden it seems..

[SunDanceRanch]

Tidemand confirmed for Sweden it seems..

Yes it in the Swedish newspaper and PG Andersson also signed today.

P-G och Tidemand anmälda - nwt.se - Ditt Värmland, just nu! (http://www.nwt.se/sport/motorsport/article1230000.ece)

[tommeke_B]

@Dimvii, bet for a beer that Brynildsen will be faster than Nikara? :p

[bauwie]

Till today 45 entries
18 WRC???

Loeb
Hirvonen

Ostberg
Neuville
Brynildsen
Tideman
Prokop
Ketomaa
Novikov

Nikara

Ogier
Latvala

Who else????

[Teme]

Al-Attiyah
Al-Qassimi and/or Sordo
Henning maybe?

[donlorean]

Hänninen

[Evian]

According to this article (P-G och Tidemand anmälda - nwt.se - Ditt Värmland, just nu! (http://www.nwt.se/sport/motorsport/article1230000.ece)) Hasse Gustafsson is one of the entries.
He drove a Ford Fiesta WRC in Swedish Championship last year so I would guess him as one of the 18 WRC-entries.

[Evian]

Strong entries in Rally Sweden « Rally Sweden (http://www.rallysweden.com/strong-entries-in-rally-sweden?lang=en)

[rallyfiend]

Strong entries in Rally Sweden « Rally Sweden (http://www.rallysweden.com/strong-entries-in-rally-sweden?lang=en)

20 WRC.

Great news - and it's a strong field.

[dimviii]

@Dimvii, bet for a beer that Brynildsen will be faster than Nikara? :p

Brynildsens with which car?

[rallye-vid]

Fiesta from Adapta

[dimviii]

Fiesta from Adapta

wrc or rrc?

[tolis]

WRC dimitris!
Don't forget the coffee tomorrow! :D

[Wasted Talent]

Strong entries in Rally Sweden « Rally Sweden (http://www.rallysweden.com/strong-entries-in-rally-sweden?lang=en)

Says 20 WRC but only gives the names of 16. Brynildsen & Gustafsson another 2, so who else?

Al-Rajhi and PGA in WRC-2, assume Lappi also?

WT

[tolis]

So, we have

DS3 WRC

Loeb
Hirvonen
Sordo
Al-Qassimi

Fiesta WRC

Ostberg
Novikov
Al-Attiyah
Brynildsen
Neuville
Tidemand
Prokop
Hanninen
Ketomaa
Gustafsson ?

VW

LatvalaOgier

Mini WRC

Kosciuszko
Nikara
H.Solberg ?

[dimviii]

Thats very easy Tom,dont want to steal your beers. :D

[rp]

John Powell said after last year Catalunya that he would like to drive Sweden, but what is the situation...

What about Ala'a Rasheed? He will drive Ford Fiesta RS WRC during this season and I remember that his program could start in Sweden...

[tommeke_B]

Thats very easy Tom,dont want to steal your beers. :D
You're throwing away the opportunity to make it an even... :D I'm sure you are not confident enough about Nikara-Mini on snow to bet on it. :p

[dimviii]

You're throwing away the opportunity to make it an even... :D I'm sure you are not confident enough about Nikara-Mini on snow to bet on it. :p
ok 2 beers for what? fastest at stages? at finish?


ps whatever you choose i ll win. :p

[pino]

So, we have

DS3 WRC

Loeb
Hirvonen
Sordo
Al-Qassimi

Fiesta WRC

Ostberg
Novikov
Al-Attiyah
Brynildsen
Neuville
Tidemand
Prokop
Hanninen
Ketomaa
Gustafsson ?

VW

LatvalaOgier

Mini WRC

Kosciuszko
Nikara
H.Solberg ?

Great entry, cannot wait to be there :D

[tommeke_B]

ok 2 beers for what? fastest at stages? at finish?


ps whatever you choose i ll win. :p

With Catalunya you lost because you were overconfident :p
A beer for fastest stage time and a beer for overall result? Deal? :D

[dimviii]

οκ!

[Jordib]

Great entry, cannot wait to be there :D

+1 :D

[Barreis]

Irally says only 45 cars will compete in Sweden.:P

[mousti]

Which are the 3 unknown WRC?

Verstuurd van mijn SK17i met Tapatalk

[Kielder]

So finally it seems that Sordo will do a full season (at least 12 rallies).

[PLuto]

Irally says only 45 cars will compete in Sweden.:P

Official website talks about same number, so it looks it will be correct :)

[Astro83]

Både 20 respektive 18 bilar nämns i antalet WRC ekipage till Rally Sweden - det officiella beskedet väntas till slutet av veckan då anmälningslistan väntas komma i retur från FIA. Vi har snabbt gjort en koll på vilka förare som är kontrakterade för team och vilka som i egen regi eller via rykten mer eller mindre bekräftats för start i Rally Sweden. Samlingen ger 18 namn enligt nedan.

Citroen
Sebastien Loeb
Mikko Hirvonen
Daniel Sordo
Khalid Al-Qassimi

VW
Jari-Matti Latvala
Sebastien Ogier

Ford
Mats Östberg
Thierry Neuville
Evgeny Novikov
Juho Hänninen
Nasser Al-Attiyah
Jari Ketomaa
Martin Prokop
Eyvind Brynildsen
Pontus Tidemand
Hasse Gustavsson

Mini
Jarkko Nikara
Michal Kosiuszko


Jonas Andersson som co-driver till Mads Östberg och norsk co-driver blir det för Pontus Tidemand. Helsvenskt där emot väntas hos Hasse Gustavsson. Per-Gunnar Andersson och Emil Axelsson hoppas på positivt besked från Proton om start, anmälda är de trots allt. Joakim Roman nämns också han vara anmäld, osäkert där i vilken klass. I övrigt tunt med Svenskar bland de totalt 45 anmälda.

In swedish... Haha :)

Only wrc cars but PG is going for wrc2 with the two Mentos Minis and hopefully some more!

[KAMV]

What about Richard Goransson? I heard a rumour he would start again with the Mini?

[Frostmourne]

For which Mini team Nikara will drive? Prodrive? if so, are they entering Sweden Rally with one car only?

[EightGear]

Yes Prodrive, maybe together with Henning?

[Nelly]

Både 20 respektive 18 bilar nämns i antalet WRC ekipage till Rally Sweden - det officiella beskedet väntas till slutet av veckan då anmälningslistan väntas komma i retur från FIA. Vi har snabbt gjort en koll på vilka förare som är kontrakterade för team och vilka som i egen regi eller via rykten mer eller mindre bekräftats för start i Rally Sweden. Samlingen ger 18 namn enligt nedan.

Citroen
Sebastien Loeb
Mikko Hirvonen
Daniel Sordo
Khalid Al-Qassimi

VW
Jari-Matti Latvala
Sebastien Ogier

Ford
Mats Östberg
Thierry Neuville
Evgeny Novikov
Juho Hänninen
Nasser Al-Attiyah
Jari Ketomaa
Martin Prokop
Eyvind Brynildsen
Pontus Tidemand
Hasse Gustavsson

Mini
Jarkko Nikara
Michal Kosiuszko

Jonas Andersson som co-driver till Mads Östberg och norsk co-driver blir det för Pontus Tidemand. Helsvenskt där emot väntas hos Hasse Gustavsson. Per-Gunnar Andersson och Emil Axelsson hoppas på positivt besked från Proton om start, anmälda är de trots allt. Joakim Roman nämns också han vara anmäld, osäkert där i vilken klass. I övrigt tunt med Svenskar bland de totalt 45 anmälda.

In swedish... Haha :)

Only wrc cars but PG is going for wrc2 with the two Mentos Minis and hopefully some more!

How about ken block and Chris Atkinson in a monster team, monster qsaid on twitter during the week that would announcing exciting plans very soon!!!

[Astro83]

I think it's wierd that Prodrive not has realised yet wich drivers who is going to drive for them this year.. I had hope for a full season with two good drivers, bit now it seems like we will see different drivers from evet to event.. Boring.

But for rally sweden, I think we will see some cool names in the entrylist when it's confirmed by FIA! I hope for Block and Atkinson, Breen, Paddon and more.

It's quiet about Sandell, but he is going to drive in Mads Ostbergs Adapta Fiesta wrc in a sprint rally here in sweden on the 26 of Januari. It's in the Swedish Championship in "sprint-rally".
Maby "prepping" for rally sweden? Who knows, but I dont think so because it's very very quiet about him and wrc....

Nothing is final yet with Richard Göransson, not heard a thing about him and rally sweden... But he will maby compete in this "sprint-rally" like Sandell but in what car, I dont know...

Tidemand will drive Ingemar Svenssons Fiesta WRC. That one that Svensson drives in the Swedish rally championship.

Ingemarsvenssonrallying.se

[Frostmourne]

Yes Prodrive, maybe together with Henning?
Wasn't there some news about Henning going to drive for one of those energy drinks teams?

[Sami]

Wasn't there some news about Henning going to drive for one of those energy drinks teams?

An official source has said that in Swedish rally 2013 there will be only 4 swedish drivers and 2 norwegian! Those are Pontus, Hasse Gustafsson, PG, Joakim Roman, Anders Grondal and Mads Ostberg.

That is a catastrophicly low number!

Who decided the national calendars to conflict with Swedish rally?!

So no Solberg, no Sandell, no Göransson...

[rp]

An official source has said that in Swedish rally 2013 there will be only 4 swedish drivers and 2 norwegian! Those are Pontus, Hasse Gustafsson, PG, Joakim Roman, Anders Grondal and Mads Ostberg.

That is a catastrophicly low number!

Who decided the national calendars to conflict with Swedish rally?!

So no Solberg, no Sandell, no Göransson...

Very bad situation! There is then more drivers from Finland. At least five and maybe more...

[EightGear]

I thought Brynildsen was confirmed too? So 3 Norwegians? And no Henning?

[ururu]

An official source has said that in Swedish rally 2013 there will be only 4 swedish drivers and 2 norwegian! Those are Pontus, Hasse Gustafsson, PG, Joakim Roman, Anders Grondal and Mads Ostberg.

That is a catastrophicly low number!

Who decided the national calendars to conflict with Swedish rally?!

So no Solberg, no Sandell, no Göransson...
not correct info ;) ,I know from official sourtse Brynildsen ready to start

[Sami]

not correct info ;) ,I know from official sourtse Brynildsen ready to start

True! I know too, but Bertil Klarin must have forgotten him ;)

Let's hope he forgot some others too :)

[ururu]

Fiesta from Adapta not correct info ;)

[logic]

So who is going to the rally?

[ururu]

Fiesta WRC, but not from the Adapta ;)

[Bartolbia84]

Sandell - Fiesta WRC??

[makinen_fan]

Brynildsen will be using an RRC Fiesta and not one of the WRC. D-mack sponsored

DMACK Tyres News (http://www.dmacktyres.com/motorsport-news#nws1143)

[dimviii]

Brynildsen will be using an RRC Fiesta and not one of the WRC. D-mack sponsored

DMACK Tyres News (http://www.dmacktyres.com/motorsport-news#nws1143)
delete asap your post so i will win the beers before Tom see it. :p

[mousti]

How was he entered then? Twice or directly with the RRC? U can change car in same class but not change class..

Verstuurd van mijn SK17i met Tapatalk

[pantealex]

How was he entered then? Twice or directly with the RRC? U can change car in same class but not change class..


There is NO Brynildsen´s name in Sweden WRC driver news story, it says 20 WRC and got 16 names

[tommeke_B]

delete asap your post so i will win the beers before Tom see it. :p
Too late... :D Pitty he will not be driving a WRC, quite strange in fact, regarding costs are almost same...

[makinen_fan]

Too late... :D Pitty he will not be driving a WRC, quite strange in fact, regarding costs are almost same...

I understand because they plan to do the whole WRC-2 season. When R5 will be available, he will switch to that from the RRC.

[jbmarcus21]

Google Earth Map Rally Sweden 2013 is now out
Wrc Rally Sweden 2013 (http://planetemarcus.com/saison-wrc/suede-2013/)

[EightGear]

Henning Fiesta WRC.

[mousti]

Henning Solberg with a Fiesta WRC !

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=406418466103967&set=a.181134701965679.47661.181112608634555&type=1&theater

[Kielder]

I wish Henning reach a good result in Sweden, as he always did. He deserves it after being many times last year on the entry list without starting the events.
At the end, there are 47 entries.

[Salist]

Rally Guide 2:
http://www.rallysweden.com/wp-content/uploads/Rally-Sweden-Rally-Guide-2-2013.pdf

Maps:
http://www.rallysweden.com/wp-content/uploads/Rally-Sweden-Rally-Guide-2-2013-Appendix-2-Maps.pdf

[bauwie]

How are the road conditions?
Will there be enough snow on the special stages?

[Tom206wrc]

Will there be an interesting entrylist in WRC3...and who :confused:

[satukata]

How are the road conditions?
Will there be enough snow on the special stages?
Snödjup - SMHI | SMHI (http://www.smhi.se/vadret/vadret-i-sverige/snodjup)

there is now snow about 15cm..

[Hartusvuori]

Any news whether draft entry list will be published today as listed on RG2?

[pantealex]

Any news whether draft entry list will be published today as listed on RG2?

it is out !

Many surprises!

[Rallyper]

it is out !

Many surprises!

link please...

[MartijnS]

http://www.rallysweden.com/wp-content/uploads/Draft-Entry-List-Rally-Sweden-2013.pdf

Guerra with DS3 WRC, that was not known yet I believe? :)

[pantealex]

link please...

I can´t make it, check rallysweden.com homepage there it is

[Mirek]

I think that No.43 will not start.

[Rallyper]

I tried but didnt find it until link above. Thanks anyway.

[HarriK]

link please...

http://www.rallysweden.com/wp-content/uploads/Draft-Entry-List-Rally-Sweden-2013.pdf

[donlorean]

That list looks really bad... Not for the WRC-cars but privateers. I really hope that organizers stays alive. Now it's possible that they lost so much money that this is last Rally Sweden...

[alleskids]

Benito Guerra has found something better than a Motorsport Italia Mini Cooper WRcar: a Citroen DS4 WRCar

[Frostmourne]

According to the list, Nikara is not driving for Prodrive, entrant name "Jarkko Nikara"

[tolis]

@Mirek: Is Hudec planning to do other WRC-2 rounds or nothing at all?

[Mirek]

@Mirek: Is Hudec planning to do other WRC-2 rounds or nothing at all?

Hudec temporarily lost his international license for fake stamp on his medical report this week. The case (he is not the only one) is going to be a subject of disciplinary proceeding.

[bluuford]

According to the list, Nikara is not driving for Prodrive, entrant name "Jarkko Nikara"
It is much cheaper to register as a private entrant than as a company :-)

[Frostmourne]

It is much cheaper to register as a private entrant than as a company :-)

Well, I think then Prodrive has no intention to compete as WRC team this year. Sad!

[tommeke_B]

I like the list, from spectating point of view. A lot of WRC cars and s2000 cars. But somehow it is sad to see the lack of entrants in the back of the field, and that is everywhere. In Sweden there are only 3 completely Swedish crews (meaning both driver and codriver are Swedish)...

[Hartusvuori]

Agree with Tom. I count 44 4WD cars, 5 2WD, that's odd ratio. I would've liked to see Lappi in as well, but in general very nice WRC field. One more month. Or less, actually.

[pantealex]

Qatar World Rally Team has 3 T-entries (6.Nasser, 11.Neuville 15.Hänninen), only 2/team can drive for Team points

Or?

[Sulland]

Would have liked to see Mikkelsen in a car in Sweden. Fabia, or an older Polo S2000 or even a R4/N4. Just to keep the wheelrust away!

[stefanvv]

http://www.rallysweden.com/wp-content/uploads/Draft-Entry-List-Rally-Sweden-2013.pdf

Guerra with DS3 WRC, that was not known yet I believe? :)

Lot of WRC cars :)

[Rasantes]

I'm so glad the news about Benito Guerra. Surely Carlos Slim is behind him.

[tommeke_B]

Would have liked to see Mikkelsen in a car in Sweden. Fabia, or an older Polo S2000 or even a R4/N4. Just to keep the wheelrust away!
The Polo S2000 project had nothing to do with VW Motorsport, in fact they were against it.

[Cacatua]

I thought Proton had left WRC

[Fly_Half]

Flights and car hire booked and waiting to hear back from Grasmarksgarden to secure the last available place! Really looking forward to our first trip to WRC Sweden :bounce:

Out of interest, how feasible is it to move around between stages on the Friday and Saturday? Obviously we'd like to maximise our experience of the stages and want to see as much as possible.

[Prisoner Monkeys]

http://www.rallysweden.com/wp-content/uploads/Draft-Entry-List-Rally-Sweden-2013.pdf
Where, exactly, do I need to go to see the entry list? Because all I'm getting is the rally website.

[VFTS]

That list looks really bad... Not for the WRC-cars but privateers. I really hope that organizers stays alive. Now it's possible that they lost so much money that this is last Rally Sweden...

Normally there are lots of private swedish and norwegian teams. But this year there are a national championship event in both countries the weekend before. Vinterpokalen(Sweden) and Rally Finnskog(Norway).
The privateers cant finance both the national event and then a WRC-event some days after.

[Prisoner Monkeys]

I was under the impression that the draft entry list had been deleted. However, it's actually been moved to a new address:

http://www.rallysweden.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Draft-Entry-List-Rally-Sweden-2013.pdf

[Astro83]

Why are the two Mentos Mini not entred for WRC2??? Someone who knows why?

Any news about Paddon and Breen for 2013?

[Prisoner Monkeys]

Why are the two Mentos Mini not entred for WRC2??? Someone who knows why?
Apparently they want to acquaint themselves with the car. Until now, Gorban and Kikireshko have been using Lancers; now they're switching to the Minis.

[Fly_Half]

Could someone please tell me which stage this is, and where?

eWRC.cz - po všech stránkách rally… (http://www.ewrc.cz/ewrc/image_browse.php?id=79043)

Thanks!

[Rallyper]

Could someone please tell me which stage this is, and where?

eWRC.cz - po všech stránkách rally… (http://www.ewrc.cz/ewrc/image_browse.php?id=79043)

Thanks!

Norway somewhere, I would presume...

[Fly_Half]

Norway somewhere, I would presume...

I think you might be correct, I've found an image from this location on Flickr which says it was taken on Day 1 of the 2012 event; which narrows it down to Mitsandersfors, Kirkenaer, Opaker or Finnskogen...

[Vargåsen]

I saw that there is a facebook-fanpage started for Colins Crest. Perhaps a good place to find advice regarding the Vargåsen stage. Not a lot of pictures/info yet though.

[Kielder]

Could someone please tell me which stage this is, and where?

eWRC.cz - po všech stránkách rally… (http://www.ewrc.cz/ewrc/image_browse.php?id=79043)

Thanks!

I have no doubt that it's Opaker, near to the end of the stage :) .

[Fly_Half]

I have no doubt that it's Opaker, near to the end of the stage :) .

Just as I feared with Opaker not being run this year. Typical.

[Kielder]

Just as I feared with Opaker not being run this year. Typical.

If you want to try with another photo... :p

[Fly_Half]

If you want to try with another photo... :p

If I find some, I'll know where to ask! :D

[Fri]

Why not Lappi on the list? :(

[Tom206wrc]

Why are the two Mentos Mini not entred for WRC2??? Someone who knows why?

Any news about Paddon and Breen for 2013?



Breen most probably in ERC with Saintéloc ;)

[pantealex]

Why not Lappi on the list? :(

He is factory driver and they tell him when/where to drive. I am sure that he want´s to drive in every rally!

[MTA]

The start list for Rally Sweden Historic cars that will run some ss (not verified)

1 Nigel J. Rose, Healey 3000
2 Ferrari Renault Alpine
3 Yves Huyghe Demahenge Fiat 124 Abart rally
4 Annie Seel Starlet
5 Gunnar Ståhlgren Triumph
6 Stig Johansson Triumph
7 Hans Åke Söderqvist BMC Cooper
8 Ola Stooka Volvo PV
9 Fredrik Ekendahl Saab Sport
10 Walter Olofsson Volvo Amazon
11 Thomas Theorin Volvo Amazon
12 Rolf - Ingvar Schou Ford Escort Twin Cam
13 Björn Sjunning Lotus Cortina
14 Lasse Jönsson Porsche 924
15 Jan - Erik Lundgren Opel kadett GTE
16 Ole Ström Mercedes190 E
17 Svein Petter Silseth Escort BDA
18 Lars Nyström Porsche 930 Turbo
19 Roberth Johansson VW Golf
20 Håkan Lindh Volvo 142
21 Joacim Nilsson Saab 99
22 Lasse Storm Opel Ascona B
23 Mikael Brodd Opel kadett GTE
24 Göran Jonasson Opel Ascona A
25 Gunnar Fredriksson SAAB V4
26 Håkan Larsson Ford RS 1800
27 Erik uppsäll SAAB 99 Turbo
28 Ola Axelsson Volvo 242
29 Harry Joki TBA
30 Mats Myrsell Porsche 911 RS
31 Tom Damberg Volvo 164
32 Gert Blomqvist Peugote 504 Coupe
33 Staffan Bergdahl Ford Escort RS
34 P-O Davidsson Volvo 242 Turbo
35 Kenneth Bäcklund Ford Escort RS
36 Tom Axelsson Audi Quattro
37 Eken Johansson Audi Quattro
38 Bengt Thorsell Mazda 323 4wd
39 Roger Samuelsson Porsche 911 Team Tidö
40 Krister Johanson Porsche 911 Team Tidö
waiting list: Stefan Segerljung SAAB, Bengt Kihlman SAAB,Ola Bengtsson SAAB,Enar Viktorsson Ford
Dan Andersson SAAB, Søren Lind Andersen Toyota, Egil Eriksson Fiat,Jan Hagberg Volvo,Arne Rådström Volvo,Jonas Lindvall SAAB 99

[Salist]

Official entry list:
http://www.rallysweden.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Entry-List-Rally-Sweden-2013.pdf

[makinen_fan]

Looking at the entry list, can a WRC Team (not manufacturer team) have three drivers and not just two? Qatar World Rally Team has Nasser, Thierry and Juho registered for points.

[Iskald]

Just as I feared with Opaker not being run this year. Typical.

As Kielder says, its Opaker. The best stage during the Norway run on sunday is Finnskogen. Several access roads into the stage, always a lot of people on the stage and many nice places for spectating. Also the Mitandersfors stage is very good. The last half of the stage is run in Norway and this is the famous Varaldskogen stage from the Finnskog Rally. Regrettably only one accessroad into the stage, but its a good and wide accessroad with good spectator capacity, appr. after 18-19 km of the stage. A nice place really with a fast left into an open hairpin right.

[Frostmourne]

Looking at the entry list, can a WRC Team (not manufacturer team) have three drivers and not just two? Qatar World Rally Team has Nasser, Thierry and Juho registered for points.
I think they will have to nominate 2 or points no matter how many cars they run.

[PLuto]

Qatar World Rally Team shall enter as a WRC Team with two cars, and their nominated events will differ between the two cars.

[Kielder]

Promotional video: Rally Sweden - Closer 30s (http://player.vimeo.com/video/57209539)

[Franky]

The promo video is nice to look at it but other than that it's a mess. I've been going through a lot of promo videos in the last month and I've seen a fair share of great ones.

I've got a few questions.
What's with the woman in the beginning?
What's with cooking food?
What's with the concert?
What's with the snowmobile stunt?
Who are they targeting - people who just want to have a party?
Why no voice over? Most people go do other things during the commercial breaks.

So quite a few questions that popped up in my head. I do understand that all that is related to the rally but like quite many commercials lately they don't seem to have a enough focus.

Oh yeah, and isn't the true party at the stages?

[Salist]

This is the official entry list for Rally Sweden:

Entries | Rally Sweden 2013 (http://www.rallysweden.com/en/tavlingen/anmalda/)

[darkstar]

cool, andersson with the proton. and nice to hear something from brynildsen, he always was driving like crazy!

[Rallyper]

The promo video is nice to look at it but other than that it's a mess. I've been going through a lot of promo videos in the last month and I've seen a fair share of great ones.

I've got a few questions.
What's with the woman in the beginning?
What's with cooking food?
What's with the concert?
What's with the snowmobile stunt?
Who are they targeting - people who just want to have a party?
Why no voice over? Most people go do other things during the commercial breaks.

So quite a few questions that popped up in my head. I do understand that all that is related to the rally but like quite many commercials lately they don't seem to have a enough focus.

Oh yeah, and isn't the true party at the stages?

well, the organizer try to attract average people who don´t know anything about rallying. They want to do an everyday event of it all...

BTW the freezing picture in the end is from Rammen stage after first 1/3 crossing the bank over small lake.

[Bartek]

This is the official entry list for Rally Sweden:

Entries | Rally Sweden 2013 (http://www.rallysweden.com/en/tavlingen/anmalda/)

One question, where is number 3? :)

[Coach 2]

cool, andersson with the proton. and nice to hear something from brynildsen, he always was driving like crazy!

Do not know if someone has already mentioned it, but he will run seven WRC rounds of D-Mack. Starting with the RRC and finishes with R5.

[bluuford]

One question, where is number 3? :)
It is reserved for Citroen second driver when Loeb is at home.

[stefanvv]

It is reserved for Citroen second driver when Loeb is at home.

But he is not (at home) here :confused:

[EightGear]

#3 is for Sordo when Loeb doesn't compete.

[stefanvv]

#3 is for Sordo when Loeb doesn't compete.

Ah, ok, my comment was wrong actually. 1-2-3 are for Citroen's first team, I see

[wrchirek]

As I see, many of us will be attend Rally Sweden. Shouldn't we (forum members) meet somewhere to getting know each other? For example at Karlstad, SS1 on Thursday evening.

[andyone]

As I see, many of us will be attend Rally Sweden. Shouldn't we (forum members) meet somewhere to getting know each other? For example at Karlstad, SS1 on Thursday evening.
prtty good idea for those who are close to swedenn

[Rallyper]

About 1 K into Varmullsåsen with a hot cup of chocolate (with Stroh rom - too cold for beers I think) would be nice meeting some of you guys...

[T.Maanteiden kuningas]

Maybe some pocket warm Kossu? :)

[alleskids]

One question, where is number 3? :)

Loeb is driving AND nominated for Citroen AD, together with Hirvonen
teams can nominate maximum 2 drivers, so Sordo is 3rd wheel on the bike/ 5th wheel on the car
So Sordo is supporting Al Qassimi in scoring point for Abu Dhabi C.

[pantealex]

One question, where is number 3? :)

Same place where number 9 is.

[pettersolberg29]

Same place where number 9 is.

Saved for a certain Mr Mikkelsen in Portgual in beyond

[spiderem]

Any update on road surface / snow condition as yet from locals?
Likelihood of conditions to be for the rally?

[Donney]

I hope it is snow and ice aplenty.

[bluuford]

No too much snow right now. Between 10-20 cm. But it is very cold right now (around -20 in next few days). warmer weather, rain and snow is expected at the end of January.

[spiderem]

No too much snow right now. Between 10-20 cm. But it is very cold right now (around -20 in next few days). warmer weather, rain and snow is expected at the end of January.

thanks.
well, lets hope for cold and snow to have a nice base and not a snow rally turning into gravel...

[MTA]

This weekend it was running the local competition Finnskogsvalsen that went around the forests of Torsby.
Not much snow but ice on the road and really frosen roads.
Photos available on ...::: Rallyfoto.se :::... (http://www.rallyfoto.se). Select "Visited Contests" and then "Finnskogsvalsen 130119"
Hope it will get a little more snow so it will be properly snowbanks before the competition begins.

[BleAivano]

This weekend it was running the local competition Finnskogsvalsen that went around the forests of Torsby.
Not much snow but ice on the road and really frosen roads.
Photos available on ...::: Rallyfoto.se :::... (http://www.rallyfoto.se). Select "Visited Contests" and then "Finnskogsvalsen 130119"
Hope it will get a little more snow so it will be properly snowbanks before the competition begins.

Does not look like it at the moment. Cold and subzero temperatures for another week but then a change
to warmer weather with temperatures above zero and possible even some rain.

Prognos Hagfors | SMHI (http://www.smhi.se/vadret/vadret-i-sverige/land/hourByHourTable.do?starttime=2013-01-22%2011%3A00%3A00&endtime=2013-01-31%2022%3A59%3A00&geonameid=2709214)

[spiderem]

This weekend it was running the local competition Finnskogsvalsen that went around the forests of Torsby.
Not much snow but ice on the road and really frosen roads.
Photos available on ...::: Rallyfoto.se :::... (http://www.rallyfoto.se). Select "Visited Contests" and then "Finnskogsvalsen 130119"
Hope it will get a little more snow so it will be properly snowbanks before the competition begins.
omg, unbelievable the number of 940 and 960!!! didn't know you could do rally with them!
my parent used to owe one (they know have an xc70 thank god) and i didn't want them to drop me at school because i was so ashamed! if i knew it was such a good base for rally car, i would have begged them not to sell it! although it was a diesel, so might not be so good!
thanks for sharing the pics anyway! what a nice country sweden...

[BleAivano]

omg, unbelievable the number of 940 and 960!!! didn't know you could do rally with them!
my parent used to owe one (they know have an xc70 thank god) and i didn't want them to drop me at school because i was so ashamed! if i knew it was such a good base for rally car, i would have begged them not to sell it! although it was a diesel, so might not be so good!
thanks for sharing the pics anyway! what a nice country sweden...

They are very popular. Cheap to buy(?), plenty of cheap parts, reliable, strong-built, good engines , rwd (=plenty of fun).

There are even a championship for Volvo cars: VOC Mekonomen Rally (http://volvooriginal.com/)