2012 Italian Grand Prix - Official Monza Thread.

[steveaki13]

So. Two of the classic circuits back to back. Not half bad.

The weather appears to be set quite fair for the upcoming weekend. Plenty of Sun.

So let the slipstreaming fun begin. :)

[Koz]

Will we have a chat for Monza?

[F1boat]

Fernando is the favorite for me, but Vettel and Lewis will surely be also very tough to beat.

[Garry Walker]

Red Bull will probably be the best car again.

[steveaki13]

I think its close to call.

Red Bull and Mclaren will have fast cars and Fernando will be up there too.

Alonso will surely be lifted by the mass crowd and I fancy he might come out on top.

[kfzmeister]

I'm certain that this whole Hamilton-to-Mercedes-or-not thing will not help Lewis. I remember in '07 when he would not talk to anybody during his season. Full concentration on his racing and zero distractions. His dad was constantly there to guide him.
I would be impressed if he won here. All i can say for sure is that Alonso will do well.

[kfzmeister]

Looks like Schumacher's transmission will not get replaced. They were allowed to fix it. That will save him some grid spots...

[andyone]

for me Hamilton all the Way man. i hope he wins. taken out twice. he would have been having a good lead by now.. if not maldonado and RG.. 8 to go. lets wait and see..

[driveace]

Well it's Italy,and Marinello will have some magic power this weekend on their car,so I expect Alonso to be top step on the podium ,BUT I would really love to see the Vodafone car of Hamilton there,and him on the top step,McLaren have to convince Hamilton that they can supply him with a winning car too ,as I do believe he is serious about going to the German car maker !

[The Black Knight]

Schumacher looking good in FP1. If he was to score another pole position this year, I guess this would be the most likely race in which he would do it. Fingers crossed for the old man.

[kfzmeister]

Good thing Alonso's gearbox was a "Friday only" unit, so no worries about a penalty. I'm thinking that he'll have something to say about the running order tomorrow during the final practice! Only .060 away from H.A.M.

[driveace]

What does Friday practice tell us ?It bears no resemblance of Qualifying tomorrow.Lets not be too taken away !Hammy fastest in second PRACTICE this afternoon .All new ball game tomorrow !!!

[Tazio]

Well it's Italy,and Marinello will have some magic power this weekend on their car,so I expect Alonso to be top step on the podium ,BUT I would really love to see the Vodafone car of Hamilton there,and him on the top step,McLaren have to convince Hamilton that they can supply him with a winning car too ,as I do believe he is serious about going to the German car maker ! That is silly. :crazy:
The upside of Fred's early exit at Spa, and LH as well (not that the Boss needed it) Is that everyone chose to take new lumps at Spa. I also expect the contenders to use new ones in Monza. But Fred retiring for the first time this season and on the first lap means he has that one in the bank and he may not have to bust it out again until Austin.
I fully expect the Boss to win this race!

[F1boat]

McLaren again look like the fastest car, although not by a mile as in Belgium. I hope that Fernando can beat Hamilton. But maybe it will be most interesting of Jenson wins again. :)

[kfzmeister]

Alonso on pole!

[longisland]

Love to have the banking back. We used to watch F1 cars running around the bankings in Indy & really like to have this element back.

[Tazio]

Paul Di Resta gets a 5-place grid penalty for gearbox change :dog:

[Tazio]

The Boss and Fred ain't playin' dog :)

[Tazio]

Felipe baby :s ailor:

[Tazio]

Button has issues? :confused:

[Tazio]

Mike has KERS issues. Mercedes going to beat themselves again?

[Tazio]

Button has issues? :confused: Apparently not!

[Tazio]

Ferrari running a lot of rear element, should help with tire wear perhaps.

[Tazio]

Hummmmm! quali between Lotus Mercedes McLaren and Ferrari. Methinks Kimi may not have showed his hand yet. Great job by the Boss to Fred 0.001 Finger boy ruins last flying laps and parks it on track to ruin last 2 laps....alternator? Horner no doubt will be lying his @ss off about it. Red Bull 11, and 13. ;)

[F1boat]

Red Bull's qualifying pace is pathetic, I would not blame the drivers for these problems. I think that McLaren can score 1-2 today with Alonso third and possibly Michael 4th.

[Tazio]

Renault confirm it is an alternator. RB will have it changed in one hour.

[andyone]

Hamilton vs Alonso.. its gonna be intresting

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[Carlos Carvalho]

what´s wrong with Schumacher´s car? In FP2 he had no DRS, and in FP3 he had no KERS (?!?!?!)

[Garry Walker]

McLaren again look like the fastest car, although not by a mile as in Belgium.
Red Bull was at least as fast as McLaren in racepace at Spa.
I have no doubts the same will be the case here. Last year they were far faster than any other team at Monza.


Mike has KERS issues. Mercedes going to beat themselves again?

No surprise there.

[F1boat]

what´s wrong with Schumacher´s car? In FP2 he had no DRS, and in FP3 he had no KERS (?!?!?!)

Typical for Mercedes GP :(

[pino]

Typical for Mercedes GP :(

Amateurs :p :

[Tazio]

Fred already 4/10 faster than any lap this weekend. Check that The boss cut into it by + .2 ok they are about even :p :

[F1boat]

Great pace for McLaren Mercedes.

[truefan72]

1. I'm a bit disappointed with D'ambrosio so far in Q1 - he is doing his career no favors with that performance under pressure
2. Hamilton better renew with Mclaren.
3. Congrats, Narain K.

[Tazio]

http://s12.postimage.org/6t2z6113h/RTL_Television_2012_09_08_14_05_50.jpg


http://s15.postimage.org/iz081psob/RTL_Television_2012_09_08_14_21_52.jpg

[truefan72]

too bad for hulkenberg. The Force India looked quick this weekend

[truefan72]

cmon mclaren, send those drivers out, you never know what might happen in Q2 and we need a banker from both

[F1boat]

cmon mclaren, send those drivers out, you never know what might happen in Q2 and we need a banker from both

Relax... Lewis will be on front row FOR SURE. Either P1 or P2.

[truefan72]

I'm not sure how I feel about Ferrari's slip-streaming tactics
clever, cheeky or desperate :\

[Tazio]

Ferrari running more rear wing it apears

[F1boat]

I'm not sure how I feel about Ferrari's slip-streaming tactics
clever, cheeky or desperate :\

I think that such tactics are popular in the WTCC...

[Tazio]

I'm not sure how I feel about Ferrari's slip-streaming tactics
clever, cheeky or desperate :\ smart if it works as long as Felipe can hang with Fred

[F1boat]

Mighty di Resta!

[truefan72]

well so much for my D'ambrosio enthusiasm
Force India showing that their car is mighty quick...and they did not use any slip-streaming
surprised by Perez and Webber (albeit that phantom issues only on his car showing up again)
Vettel & Kimi sneaking in to Q3

[truefan72]

smart if it works as long as Felipe can hang with Fred

They just might have started a new trend :)

[steveaki13]

It appears the Lotus isn't quite on pace here in Quali, Raikkonen only 10th in Q2 and d'Ambrosio only 7 tenths off. Not a bad effort.

Lets see if he can keep his nose clean and have a decent race.

[Tazio]

http://s13.postimage.org/fycj5qp3b/RTL_Television_2012_09_08_14_43_32.jpg

Snap :(

[steveaki13]

The slip streaming aint new, remember when Mclaren & Ferrari used it at Indy in 2000. I think someone also did it somewhere else 4 or 5 years ago. Can't quite remember

[F1boat]

My prediction:
1 Lewis
2 Fred
3 Jenson
4 Paul

[kfzmeister]

Let's goooooooooo Alonso! :eek:

[donKey jote]

Alo gives Massa the slip :p

[F1boat]

some kind of problems for Alonso?

[donKey jote]

ran out of fuel :p

[Tazio]

Great lap for the Boss

[steveaki13]

I think Alonso was preparing and giving Massa a boost for a decent top 4 lap in case Massa is needed on the last run to really help Alonso and he cant set a decent time. Personally.

I think its all under control

[pino]

Forza Nando ! :D

[donKey jote]

Ferrari DONKEY :mad: :p

[pino]

Alonso :s

[steveaki13]

Or not then.


Alonso whoops.

[donKey jote]

what was that all about? :crazy:

[F1boat]

Alonso a true donkey unless he has serious problems, perfect pace for McLaren-Mercedes, I think that the battle will be between Lewis and Jenson tomorrow. They have the perfect chance to cut a big chunk of Alonso's lead and I can see Vettel getting 3rd from 6th. This is a disaster for Ferrari and Alonso.

[Robinho]

What the actual f happened with Ferrari? Great job by McLaren, massa and di resta, pity about the 5 place drop

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[Garry Walker]

What on earth did Alonso do? He was massively slow all lap long, held up Kimi on his flying lap. Based on what Massa could do there is nothing wrong with Ferrari, they are at least as fast as McLaren here.

[truefan72]

what the heck happened to alonso?
is there a problem with the car, did he make a mistake?
or did they outsmart themselves with unnecessary strategy

Alonso should easily have been in p1-p4

Anyway, Brilliant lap by both Macs
diresta, stunner of a lap
Excellent job by MSC, Massa

[Tazio]

Great job by McLaren Massa. Alonso fell off the face of the earth :p :

[pino]

Mechanic problems for Alonso :(

[A FONDO]

So so sorry for Hulkenberg, he could have been 3rd. I still donnow what happened to him and Alonso.

[Koz]

What on earth did Alonso do? He was massively slow all lap long, held up Kimi on his flying lap. Based on what Massa could do there is nothing wrong with Ferrari, they are at least as fast as McLaren here.

Some people are far too smart and conniving for their own good.

[donKey jote]

Alo says: car broke :( , shame as pole was on. Car will be OK for tomorrow though...

[Tazio]

what the heck happened to alonso?
is there a problem with the car, did he make a mistake?
or did they outsmart themselves with unnecessary strategy

Alonso should easily have been in p1-p4

Anyway, Brilliant lap by both Macs
diresta, stunner of a lap
Excellent job by MSC, Massa

I m guessing he couldn't get heat in his tires but it does seem odd.

[Garry Walker]

I m guessing he couldn't get heat in his tires but it does seem odd.

I am sure he had some problem. Otherwise he could have competed with Hamilton for pole and I am sure he would have beaten Button. He is faster than Massa easily and Massa lost by a tenth to Button.

[donKey jote]

He just told Spanish TV it was a problem with the car in Q3 but it will be fixed for tomorrow. :dozey:

[truefan72]

I am sure he had some problem. Otherwise he could have competed with Hamilton for pole and I am sure he would have beaten Button. He is faster than Massa easily and Massa lost by a tenth to Button.

yup

[truefan72]

He just told Spanish TV it was a problem with the car in Q3 but it will be fixed for tomorrow. :dozey:

problem being poor strategy methinks

[Tazio]

What did they say broke?

[pino]

Looks like was a suspension problem for Alonso

[N4D13]

problem being poor strategy methinks
I fail to see how a strategy problem would make him lose time in all the sectors in each and every lap. :p It could have been a possibility at first, but he made three laps and none of them came good.

[Tazio]

All the great luck that Fred had earlier is starting to even out!

[pino]

Alonso told ital tv he could easily have been on pole without that problem

[Tazio]

If it was mechanical and their is no grid drop he could grab a fourth if Massa takes a bullet for him and lets him through.

[kfzmeister]

Rear anti-roll bar issues for Alonso!! :mad:

[Tazio]

:(

[truefan72]

I fail to see how a strategy problem would make him lose time in all the sectors in each and every lap. :p It could have been a possibility at first, but he made three laps and none of them came good.

if he had put in a fast lap in his first stint instead of towing massa along, then it might be a different picture

[Garry Walker]

Alonso told ital tv he could easily have been on pole without that problem

Expected.

Even with Alonso not putting in a serious lap in Q3, he still had the fastest S3 time of all qualifying and was faster than Massa in every sector. I suspect Alonso would have been on pole as well.

[kfzmeister]

He can still do it. I'm hoping for tire deg issues for Macca and Vettel high speed woes. Massa could prove instrumental in helping Alonso get to the front. Alonso's an animal as it is, so hoping for a great showing. Gonna be an all-qualifying-laps race for him tomorrow....

[steveaki13]

Anti Roll Bar issues which mean it is no wonder that Alonso was so slow.

Bad luck for him, I would have loved to see if he could have got up the front. Also what a battle off the start that would have been.

[DexDexter]

I predict one of the most boring races of the season: Tyres will last well, strategy will be one stop for everybody and since the race is so short and the way the circuit is, it's really hard to come from the midfield to the front.

[chac47]

GP3 Race 2 won't be boring ;)

[kfzmeister]

I predict one of the most boring races of the season: Tyres will last well, strategy will be one stop for everybody and since the race is so short and the way the circuit is, it's really hard to come from the midfield to the front.

Oh, i beg to differ. McLaren has had races with the same tires provided tomorrow that went either way. On some they have lasted well, on others they have faded prematurely. Also, Monza's surface is fairly abrasive, so tire deg will play a role. Ferrari has an engine that pushes high speed well here, so to get past all the Renault engines might not be too difficult. For Ferrari to get past the Mercedes might be a different story, since they are also very strong. Not sure if everyone will do a one stopper. I'm sure we'll see a mix of one to two stops. Should be a good race. Ferrari will push hard. Perhaps Massa will challenge for the win? It would be good for Alonso, if Massa could win one.

[gloomyDAY]

Lewis and Jensen will clash tomorrow and Vettel will slip in for a podium. Anyone want to take me up on that bet?

[F1boat]

Lewis and Jensen will clash tomorrow and Vettel will slip in for a podium. Anyone want to take me up on that bet?
That would be cool ;)

[donKey jote]

Go Massa ! :D

[pino]

Here we goooooo ! :D

[donKey jote]

I just hope Alo gets a clean start and doesn't get clobbered so he can fight a decent race.

[donKey jote]

gogoogogooooooo :D

[donKey jote]

p8?

[donKey jote]

Hold'em up Massa :D

[donKey jote]

P7 :D

[donKey jote]

P6 :) :bandit:

[donKey jote]

Schu lets BabySchu past :mad: :p

[donKey jote]

Gotcha :D
P5 :bandit:

[F1boat]

Great first laps for Alonso, I think that podium is now possible.

[donKey jote]

di Resta does a Grosjean :crazy:

[truefan72]

dirty move by DiResta

[veeten]

Senna... you git.

[donKey jote]

Vergne's car broke under braking :crazy:

[F1boat]

that was dangerous

[donKey jote]

Webber with DRS still slower than Di Resta :o

[veeten]

c'mon Jensen, pass Massa and pi$$ off the Italians... :p :D

[AndyL]

Button just did his fastest sector 1 while yellow flags were out for the marshals clearing Vergne's car, the stewards might be taking a look at that.

[donKey jote]

Schu being told to wake up :p

[andyone]

guys how can i watch this online or at least listen to online radio?

[donKey jote]

Massa complaining about rear wear :uhoh:

[pino]

c'mon Jensen, pass Massa and pi$$ off the Italians... :p :D

Shut up :p :

[veeten]

just another reason why pensioners don't belong on the track... ;) :p

[F1boat]

Mercedes again losing pace...

[truefan72]

those mercedes cars have about the worst tyre degradation of all cars on the grid

[donKey jote]

Pérez nabs Kimi :o

[veeten]

Shut up :p :

:rotflmao:

[F1boat]

McLaren show again that they have the fastest car by a mile... IMO they are not even revealing their true pace.

[donKey jote]

pit race :D

[veeten]

yeah, now imagine those two guys on the same team. Ooohh boy... :rolleyes:

[donKey jote]

oooohhhh :p

[BleAivano]

moment of scare for Alonso there.

[pino]

Alonso :s

[veeten]

Perez is yet to pit, so once he's in it's all McLaren.

[donKey jote]

drive through Vettel :p

[F1boat]

great battle between Fred and Seb :)

[veeten]

ahhh, Vettel & Alonso. The best of friends... :p

[Garry Walker]

McLaren show again that they have the fastest car by a mile... IMO they are not even revealing their true pace.

LOL. More stupidity. Ferrari and RB are as fast as McLaren. If Alonso hadn't had problems yesterday he would have poled and raced Hamilton to win today (they are the best drivers).
Hopefully bieber gets a penalty for that or even better, crashes out.

[donKey jote]

you should have heard Spanish TV whinging :laugh:

[donKey jote]

28.3 S1 Alo :crazy:

[BleAivano]

Good move Alonso

[donKey jote]

come on Massa, give us a tow :p

[pino]

Massa.....Fernando is faster than you ;)

:p :

[donKey jote]

drive through Vettel :p

:eek:

[BleAivano]

Oh Drive 2 for Vettel.

[donKey jote]

German TV whinging now... Italian stewards yadda yadda :p

[Garry Walker]

Hahahahahaha

[F1boat]

Poor Seb :(

[veeten]

Massa.....Fernando is faster than you ;)

:p :

Pino... how did you knew what I was thinking... :laugh:

[donKey jote]

Button :eek:

[pino]

Button out :s

[F1boat]

Jenson :( :(

[BleAivano]

JB???

[Robinho]

At least its consistent with the spa decisions, no room for dirty driving

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[Garry Walker]

Shame for Button.

[truefan72]

wow, a real FIArrari decision,
where was this penalty last year?
or for rosberg in Bharein, twice?

this is nonsense
yes, I admit it was a bit naughty, but they have not given a penalty for this before today.
So its simply gifting Alonso an advantage over his closest rival

[F1boat]

Good for Lewis that he has big advantage, he won't need to push... he must not push.

[pino]

Pino... how did you knew what I was thinking... :laugh:

I can read in people mind ;)

[Garry Walker]

Massa.....Fernando is faster than you ;)

:p :
Funnily enough, Massa is a bit faster than Alonso right now.

[Robinho]

Nooooo, jenson! Gutted

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[veeten]

Italian magic... or Voodoo. ;)

[donKey jote]

I tend to agree with Lauda though... Vet kept his line... racing incident. :)

[JasonPotato]

Vettel hahahaha

[donKey jote]

wow, a real FIArrari decision,
where was this penalty last year?
or for rosberg in Bharein, twice?l

you can't compare with last year. This year they have made clear often enough they are trying to clamp down :)

[truefan72]

WTF!!! Mclaren?

there goes our 1-2 :(

Alonso getting help from the stewards, probably from his teammate gifting him the 2nd position and now from a failed mclaren
oh well

[BleAivano]

Italian magic... or Voodoo. ;)

probably just Pino using the Dark side of the Force. :vader:

[gm99]

So now it's "manage your tires, Felipe - Fernando is behind you".

Pathetic...

[truefan72]

wow coded message by Ferrari to let alonso pass
"think about managing your tyres" lol

[pino]

Felipe....we told you Fernando is faster than you !!!

:p :

[donKey jote]

Go Webber ! :D

[F1boat]

At least I hope that Button's retirement will put rest to the rumours that Whitmarsh is sabotaging Lewis... McLaren simply keep shooting themselves.

[donKey jote]

WTF!!! Mclaren?

there goes our 1-2 :(

Alonso getting help from the stewards, probably from his teammate gifting him the 2nd position and now from a failed mclaren
oh well
oh well... if it does end like this:

cry us a river :bigcry: :p

[F1boat]

Well done Seb :)

[donKey jote]

Perez flying to a Ferrari cockpit :p

[truefan72]

cmon perez!
you're my only hope!

[F1boat]

oh well... if it does end like this:

cry us a river :bigcry: :p

Well if Lewis fails too and Massa lets Alonso it will be a typical 1999 Ferrari win xD

[donKey jote]

thanks for the tow :up:

[truefan72]

Perez flying to a Ferrari cockpit :p

yup, for sure

[Garry Walker]

Perez1,5 seconds per lap faster than the top 3, 14 laps to go...

[donKey jote]

Pérez has pace for P2 :crazy:

[truefan72]

Mclaren need to pit Hamilton now!

jeezuz whitemarsh, pit the mclaren FFS!

[AndyL]

German TV whinging now... Italian stewards yadda yadda :p

How do they know it wasn't the German steward who voted for the penalty :D
The 3 stewards are a German, a Spaniard and an Italian. The vote might have been 2-1 ;)

[F1boat]

Perez is really flying.

[donKey jote]

Massa: Pérez is faster than you :p

[truefan72]

Pérez has pace for P2 :crazy:

if Hamilton and mclaren don't watch out, it will be P1

[donKey jote]

Driver of the race for Pérez if he nabs Alo too :up:

[F1boat]

Seb has problems :(

[AndyL]

Half a second per sector advantage for Perez? That's big.

[donKey jote]

on second thoughts: driver of the race already :up:

[F1boat]

Go Perez!

[donKey jote]

Alo doing greens and still 1 sec slower :crazy:

[AndyL]

I wonder if Luca di Montezemolo will be thinking again about whether Perez is ready for a Ferrari seat.

[veeten]

Perez - shades of Pedro Rodreguez in the 60's-early 70's.

[pino]

Amazing Perez :eek:

[Ranger]

if Hamilton and mclaren don't watch out, it will be P1

Hamilton I'm pretty sure is one-stopping. A late stop would surely be more detrimental.

He should be ok...

:\

[donKey jote]

Let him past Alo... no messing :uhoh:

[F1boat]

Crazy Sergio!

[donKey jote]

Pérez :crazy: :up:

[F1boat]

if Hamilton and mclaren don't watch out, it will be P1

Lewis won't stop again and has a huge gap to Sergio.

[donKey jote]

Vettel :( :p

[BleAivano]

Vettel out.

[Garry Walker]

Hahahahahahahahaha

[truefan72]

wow

vettel could not pull into the pits?

[F1boat]

Poor Seb... Obviously not every year can be good, but he has been really unlucky this year. I hope that Garry won't receive a heart attack from joy.

[AndyL]

Force India's apparent speed seems to have deserted them today.

[Robinho]

Doesn't get much better for Alonso, and Hamilton now his closest champ challenger in (currently) the best car

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[JasonPotato]

Vettel out. Best news of the race hahaha

[F1boat]

wow

vettel could not pull into the pits?

I think that Red Bull were quite surprised from the problem...

[AndyL]

Perez probably would have been on Button by now if Button hadn't stopped.

[AndyL]

I think that Red Bull were quite surprised from the problem...

Radio message certainly sounded pretty panicky didn't it!

[donKey jote]

Vett don't look too happy :p

[F1boat]

Webber too has some issues.

[donKey jote]

Webb struggling :crazy:

[Robinho]

Good save from Mark, but those tyres will be square now

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[JasonPotato]

Never rains but it pours for red bull haha, just made my day a lot happier.

[gm99]

Not a great day for Red Bull...

[donKey jote]

Well done Pérez :up:

[F1boat]

Well, good race for Lewis, could have been better for McLaren, but now Hamilton should get the support from Jenson, so for him everything is great. The race for Peres was awesome, Ferrari also have reason to be satisfied, the race could have been much worse to them. I am speechless for Seb and Red Bull, I think that their championship challenge is now over.

[Garry Walker]

Poor Seb... Obviously not every year can be good, but he has been really unlucky this year. I hope that Garry won't receive a heart attack from joy.

Bieber has had the best car of the year, what bad luck are you talking about. Crazy, just insane talk.

[Robinho]

Great stuff from Lewis, bittersweet for McLaren, should have been a 1 & 2, brilliant stuff from Perez and Alonso too.

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[truefan72]

wow
man I was nervous!
Great win for Hamilton
Perez just booked his Ferrari seat if he wants it (although I would stay at sauber and have a chance to win rather than be at Ferrari and backup Alonso)
Excellent controlled race by Alonso
Massa acquitting himself admirably

Disaster for RBR, and Button

[donKey jote]

I'm speechless for Button. He'll have to play puppy now :(

[Robinho]

And senna outracing maldanado to the last point on the last lap, interesting

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[AndyL]

Perez and the Sauber strategists played a blinder there. Looked bad when Perez was the only guy who hadn't pitted and was going slower than the entire field, and they were still telling him to hold on for 4 more laps, but they had an ace in the hole!

[Garry Walker]

Nice race. Sauber was awesome.

[ArrowsFA1]

The 2012 WDC cards are falling nicely for Alonso.

[N4D13]

drive through Vettel :p
After what happened in Bahrain, the rules clearly state that once a driver has put his front wing next to your back wheels, you must leave room for him - which Vettel obviously didn't do, as was clearly visible on Alonso's onboard camera, so from that point of view, the drive through was clearly deserved. However, I'm afraid that same penalty might not have been handed out if they hadn't been racing at Italy.

Yes, I know it's a bit late, but I wasn't in front of the computer during the race and I wanted to point this out. :p

[truefan72]

I wonder if Luca di Montezemolo will be thinking again about whether Perez is ready for a Ferrari seat.

LOL, my thoughts exactly

[pino]

Congrats to Lewis :up:

[veeten]

Hey Arrows, while watching how Perez was moving through the field, this was flashing through my mind...

Pedro Rodriguez Profile - Drivers - GP Encyclopedia - F1 History on Grandprix.com (http://www.grandprix.com/gpe/drv-rodped.html)

Know what I mean... :)

[donKey jote]

Ave Alonso :p

[truefan72]

I see Ron Dennis is taking a more prominent role on race weekends these days.
BTW, so what was the problem on Button's car?

[donKey jote]

Seb says: "Lischtmaschine" :p

[Garry Walker]

I see Ron Dennis is taking a more prominent role on race weekends these days.
BTW, so what was the problem on Button's car?

Fuel Pump

[truefan72]

Fuel Pump

thx

[steveaki13]

Good race today.

Hamilton drove really well, it was a suprise to see some many issues for Red Bull.

Ferrari looked fast and Perez ans Sauber got it spot on.

[kfzmeister]

After what happened in Bahrain, the rules clearly state that once a driver has put his front wing next to your back wheels, you must leave room for him - which Vettel obviously didn't do, as was clearly visible on Alonso's onboard camera, so from that point of view, the drive through was clearly deserved. However, I'm afraid that same penalty might not have been handed out if they hadn't been racing at Italy.

Yes, I know it's a bit late, but I wasn't in front of the computer during the race and I wanted to point this out. :p

We're grateful that you came and pointed that out. Late, or not. What's also visible from Alonso's onboard cam is that Vettel took a left just in front of Alonso. Just a desperate attempt at saving face right before The Man nullifies Vettels spectacular move from last year. Great call by the stewards.

[kfzmeister]

Seb says: "Lichtmaschine" :p
Fixed it for ya.
aka LiMa....

[donKey jote]

nope motorpowervehiclemaster... he said "Lischtmachine" as in Dragan & Alder's "konkret Lischtgeschwindigkeit" :)
aka Lichtmaschine :p

[rjbetty]

Brilliant Perez again!
Happy to see Hamilton win.
Still think this is Alonso's year (but I thought it was Jenson's in the first few races) - I really want Hamilton to take the title, but Alonso just deserves it for what he's done this year, and the last few actually. If Seb can win 2, then Alonso definitely is due another title.

Why does Schumacher have to retire? I think he's on terms with Rosberg now, only slightly off his pace this time. Maybe he feels there isn't much more to gain.

[wedge]

Penalty on Vettel was really harsh

Alonso was far too optimistic even though he had great run on the outside he wasn't alongside Vettel enough whereas last year Vettel & Alonso where more wheel to wheel through Curve Grande.

It seems fine to push a guy off the track at corner exit on other circuits but not Monza.

[N4D13]

Alonso was far too optimistic even though he had great run on the outside he wasn't alongside Vettel enough whereas last year Vettel & Alonso where more wheel to wheel through Curve Grande.
As I said, his front wing was already right to the left of Seb's wheels. Considering that, I wouldn't say that Alo was too optimistic - Vettel had to leave room for him, as I previously pointed out. He didn't, and that's why he got the penalty, which might have been a bit too harsh, but it was certainly on the rules and it was pretty much a black or white call.

[steveaki13]

A good race, but after hearing the racist chants Lewis received from the crowd, I think its about time the FIA try and stamp out racism from spectating fans. Its not the first time Monza has come under fire and considering such a good job has been done at Spanish circuits, I think its about time this sort of behavior was stamped out.

Agree completely.

I was a bit unsure and possibly nieve at the time. I wasn't sure if it was booing at Mclaren for beating Ferrari or Lewis beacuse of the history with Alonso or just nasty racist chanting.

If it was racist it is sad, but something needs to be done. As much as I love Monza the race may be under threat if this is the kind of behaviour we are going to see there.

You can't hold races where this still goes on.

[andyone]

A good race, but after hearing the racist chants Lewis received from the crowd, I think its about time the FIA try and stamp out racism from spectating fans. Its not the first time Monza has come under fire and considering such a good job has been done at Spanish circuits, I think its about time this sort of behavior was stamped out.

Ooh what did they say? The crowd

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[Garry Walker]

A good race, but after hearing the racist chants Lewis received from the crowd, I think its about time the FIA try and stamp out racism from spectating fans. Its not the first time Monza has come under fire and considering such a good job has been done at Spanish circuits, I think its about time this sort of behavior was stamped out.

Is that behaviour any worse than British fans cheering after MS crashed at Silverstone?

[donKey jote]

not unless they were also goosetepping in one of Harry's costumes :p

[jarrambide]

Is that behaviour any worse than British fans cheering after MS crashed at Silverstone?

Obviously, it depends who you ask, if you ask me, then a big yes is my answer.

First a couple of things:
a) Both incidents were very, very wrong.
b) Both should not have happened.

I see a big difference between taunting you, disliking you, or being a rude jerk because of your nationality, gender or ethnicity, and taunting you, disliking you, or being a rude jerk because you are one of the biggest jerks in the world.

Both MS and LH can appear to be jerks to many, if you dislike them because they are jerks, well, what can you do, but if you dislike one of the two because of his skin color, and instead of calling him a big jerk, or a cry baby, you use racial slurs or make monkey noises, or throw bananas, then you should stop something like that completely.


Let me use a fictitious example, if someone tells me that he/she dislikes you because you are an American, or because you are white, I would find that very, very wrong, if someone tells me that he/she dislikes you because you are a jerk, well, that is very different.

[Maxi]

anyone have link where i can rewatch the race?

[kfzmeister]

A good race, but after hearing the racist chants Lewis received from the crowd, I think its about time the FIA try and stamp out racism from spectating fans. Its not the first time Monza has come under fire and considering such a good job has been done at Spanish circuits, I think its about time this sort of behavior was stamped out.

Nowhere, anywhere on F1 sites is there anything written about racist chants. I heard them boo Hamilton, but how do you automatically inject racism there? They hate him ,because of his history with their favorite driver!
I call BULLSH!T.....

[kfzmeister]

nope motorpowervehiclemaster... he said "Lischtmachine" as in Dragan & Alder's "konkret Lischtgeschwindigkeit" :)
aka Lichtmaschine :p

Haha, lmao. Why didn't you say Alder und Dragan right away? I would have just lmao...... :D
"Motorpowervehiclemaster"? Really?

[kfzmeister]

BTW, did anybody notice that the boys on the podium where all taken out of the race at SPA in the first turn by RoGro???

[N4D13]

BTW, did anybody notice that the boys on the podium where all taken out of the race at SPA in the first turn by RoGro???
Seriously, I just logged into the forum to point out that and I was a few hours too late!

By the way, Button, Webber and Vettel, who benefitted from the other contenders' misfortune at Spa, couldn't finish the race. Karma is a b***h.

[Hawkmoon]

Reading elsewhere, Hamilton had to end his interview with Lauda early because of monkey noises coming from the crowd underneath. Moments before he had be waving to the crowd and said 'Ciao tutti' to the tifosi, but even this gesture was ignored. He's not liked and thank goodness this doesn't occur at every race, certainly not ones I have attended. I think something needs to be done about this without punishing the thousands of fans who are good sports at Monza.

Is that racism or a reference to Hamilton's comment about "monkeys at the back" from Monaco '07? Those sorts of comments have a way of coming back to haunt people. It may have been racially motivated and should be condemned if it is but I wouldn't pull the racism card just becuase the crowd booed.

Hamilton isn't liked by Ferrari fans, that's true. He drives for McLaren, beat Ferrari to the WDC in '08 and had an acrimonious relationship with Ferrari's current No. 1. That's enough reason to boo the guy if you're a Tifosi. The McLaren part alone is enough to get most Tifosi riled up.

[Carlos Carvalho]

anyone have link where i can rewatch the race?

you can download the race here: http://racingfor.me

[The Black Knight]

Snoozefest of a race bar Perez's late charge. Drives of the day go to Hamilton for being flawless from start to finish and Perez for making the most of his strategy. Team of the day also goes to Sauber.

[The Black Knight]

I have no idea of the reasons behind it, I wasn't there to witness it first hand. Its a bit of a strange link if that is true and why a joke holds such reference after so many years is lost on me. I don't remember David Coulthard getting monkey chants for using the same terminology.

Whatever the reasons, it just shows F1 fans are less mature than we expect. You see this sort of thing on football terraces, but IMO F1 attracts a different type of fan and thankfully I haven't witnessed such behaviour in the races I have attended.

For the most part I haven't either. I do remember being at Silverstone in 97 by club corner and some British fans doing Nazi signs as Schumacher went past but I have rarely seen behavior like this in F1. People like these guys are idiots and, thankfully, very rare.

[wedge]

Snoozefest of a race bar Perez's late charge. Drives of the day go to Hamilton for being flawless from start to finish and Perez for making the most of his strategy. Team of the day also goes to Sauber.

Well, apart from Hamilton taking command of the race, just how was it a snoozefest? I would love to know what race you were watching or did the late summer sun make you go sleepy?

Alonso came from 10th to podium and did his overtaking on the track.

Massa did not have enough pace to match the McLarens went slighty backwards and was overtaken on the track.

Koby was going backwards.

Schumi made a late race charge overtaking cars to make his two stopper work.

[donKey jote]

Haha, lmao. Why didn't you say Alder und Dragan right away? I would have just lmao...... :D
"Motorpowervehiclemaster"? Really?
konkret ! :D
literal translation... aka grease monkey :p :andrea: