Rally Deutschland 2012

[wrchirek]

Some infos about this year's Rally Deutschland:

- the rally will be one week later than in 2011, at 23-26th of August
- there will be 15 special stages (in 2011, 19)
- there will be no Hermeskeil, because a part of it is gravel
- on Sunday, there is only one 31 km long SS (twice, without service) + the Power Stage "Circus Maximus"

Any more news?

[Martin Luijk]

How many kilometres special stage does the rally have?

[MotorsportManiac]

How many kilometres special stage does the rally have?
377 stage kilometres ;)

regards Kevin

[Franky]

So it's more than last year :)

[Ralph-Mario]

Here are the SS 2012 :

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/54390847/wrc-DE-2012.zip

[wrchirek]

Itinery: Programme du Rallye Wrc d'Allemagne 2012 (http://planetemarcus.free.fr/deutschland12.htm)

[Barreis]

Rallye Deutschland organisers make significant changes to Trier-based event - WRC news - AUTOSPORT.com (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/97728)

[rallye-vid]

Hey,

Here the latest routes of the stages for google earth - there are a lot of changes this year.

Have fun. I'll keep the files up to date and post new links if needed.

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/54390847/WRC%20-%20Rallye%20Deutschland%202012-v1.zip

cheers

[vino_93]

Do we have to pay to go to the stages ?

[rallye-vid]

Unfortunately yes.

You can buy gold, silver or bronze tickets (89€ , 69€, 59&#8364 ;) or pay 10€ per SS (Panzerplatte 15&#8364 ;) .
Service without a ticket - each visit 5€

Gold ticket u can visit all SS + seat at the Circus Maximus SS + service
Silver ticket all SS + access to Circus Maximus SS (no seat) + service
Bronze ticket all SS + service, except Circus Maximus SS

cheers

[rallye-vid]

Update of google earth stages: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/54390847/WRC%20-%20Rallye%20Deutschland%202012-v3.zip

Some bug fixes ;)

cheers

[Barreis]

Germans know how to make money.

[Tomi]

Unfortunately yes.

You can buy gold, silver or bronze tickets (89€ , 69€, 59€) or pay 10€ per SS (Panzerplatte 15€).
Service without a ticket - each visit 5€

Gold ticket u can visit all SS + seat at the Circus Maximus SS + service
Silver ticket all SS + access to Circus Maximus SS (no seat) + service
Bronze ticket all SS + service, except Circus Maximus SS

cheers

Reasonable prices, Bronze would be my choise.

[Co-driven]

Hi,

There`s a chance that maybe I'll be able to go watch Rally Deutschland this year. I'd like to know from you guys what is the best option to arrive to Trier, if there will be enough hotels vacant in the city, which stages do you recommend to watch and every other information that can be useful for someone visiting the region for the first time.

Thank you!!

[vino_93]

Unfortunately yes.

You can buy gold, silver or bronze tickets (89€ , 69€, 59€) or pay 10€ per SS (Panzerplatte 15€).
Service without a ticket - each visit 5€

Gold ticket u can visit all SS + seat at the Circus Maximus SS + service
Silver ticket all SS + access to Circus Maximus SS (no seat) + service
Bronze ticket all SS + service, except Circus Maximus SS

cheers

thx ! Where can we buy tickets ? Is it better to go to Trier or to buy on internet ?

[Hartusvuori]

thx ! Where can we buy tickets ? Is it better to go to Trier or to buy on internet ?

I've understood that they are sold at limited places (service park, shakedown), so most likely buying online gives more freedom in this case.

[rallye-vid]

Yep, you can buy the tickets and the rally magazine online: http://shop.rallye-deutschland.de/index.php?language=en&cat=c1_Tickets.html
Or like Hartusvuori already said, at the service park or some other places (at the highway near Trier).

@G. Morales - take a look here: Rhineland-Palatinate - holiday flats, hotels, restaurants and camping in the Eifel, Hunsrueck, Rheinhessen, Middle Rhine, Palatinate, Nahe, Moselle (http://www.vacation-in-rhineland-palatinate.com/)

A Hotel in Trier isn't that good. You have to drive long distances to access the stages everyday.. Look for some place near Schweich or other city located near by the most of the stages.
Get the google earth stages and find some good places ;)

cheers

[Hartusvuori]

There seem to be some problems with the event website. Like, it's not working.

[vino_93]

thank you !

And a last question : if we stay in the same stage the morning and the afternoon, do we have to pay 2 times or only 1 time ?

[MartijnS]

1 time.

[vino_93]

thx !

[Hartusvuori]

They've updated information on itinerary (http://www.rallye-deutschland.de/zuschauer/index.php?&flash=&orgaSess=&lg=e&st=231&op=id&showall=&allge=&&orgaSess=) and maps (http://www.rallye-deutschland.de/zuschauer/index.php?&flash=&orgaSess=&lg=e&st=232&op=id&showall=&allge=&&orgaSess=) on the official website.

[NebDeutsch]

I am planning to go to the Rally this year and its my first time to any WRC round, can you guys offer up some advice on getting around at the rally. Is there any kind of shuttle around the area, is it easy to "hitchhike" or would it be best to spend the money on renting a car?

Thanks for the help guys. Well see you at the races.

[Franky]

Rent a car, in the end that is the only reasonable option.

[rallye-vid]

Shuttlebus only on SS Panzerplatte.

[CWJ]

Stage maps, time table and profiles for each stage. THX to Seb for his work.


WRC Deutschland Rallye 2012 - interaktive WP-Karten (http://www.rallyekarte.de/land/Deutschland/rallye/47/Deutschland-Rallye)[/*:m:276vfuk5]
WRC Deutschland Rallye 2012 - 3D Rundflug (http://www.rallyekarte.de/land/Deutschland/rallye/390/Deutschland-Rallye/3D-Tour)[/*:m:276vfuk5]

http://rallyekarte.de/img/WRC-Rallye-Deutschland-2012-karte.jpg (http://www.rallyekarte.de/land/Deutschland/rallye/47/Deutschland-Rallye)

[DIMI44]

One question please.....We have buy a ticket for some SS....
Can we visit those special stages one day before in order to find a "good"place?

As we like a downhill can somebody tell us which stage to visit ?

[Franky]

Can we visit those special stages one day before in order to find a "good"place?


Yes, you can.

[Juha_Koo]

Yes, you can.

Except for Baumholder area stages, AFAIK they are located on a military area, prohibited to enter for the public.

[jbmarcus21]

Google Earth Map Deutschland Rallye is now out Programme du Rallye Wrc d'Allemagne 2012 (http://bit.ly/A7wzLf)

[Addicted]

When will they publish entries for WRC and national event?

[Bartolbia84]

wiegand --> Skoda S2000
Gassner --> Skoda S2000

[CWJ]

When will they publish entries for WRC and national event?

28.07. acc to time table

[CWJ]

nat. entries allready here:

http://www.adac-rallye-deutschland.de/docs/wrc/static/115/Entry%20List.pdf

[hari]

List of Entries - WRC event:
http://www.adac-rallye-deutschland.de/docs/wrc/static/115/Entry%20List.pdf

[Fiat-131-Abarth]

Nr. 71 codriver Kristian Sohlberg. Since when is he a codriver?
Also interesting to see Lappi on tarmac, even it is "only" a R2 car.

[Mirek]

I would continue a point we started in NORF thread - the tyres.

Deutschland is on asphalt and the WRC control tyres are rather restricted in terms of asphalt performance. However VW drivers have no WRC priority and therefore they don't need to use control tyres. Will they try to shine at home soil using slicks? It sure can bring advantage...

[Psycho!]

Guys what do you think about Mini??Can they shine in Trier??They have done much testing,Sordo likes Germany and the car is upgraded....

[stefanvv]

Guys what do you think about Mini??Can they shine in Trier??They have done much testing,Sordo likes Germany and the car is upgraded....

I think podium for Sordo is fair bet. Loeb & Sordo are the best tarmac drivers in WRCar at the moment.

[Mintexmemory]

Hint to anyone planning to go to Germany. The event passes and programmes can be bought from the ACvD shop in Trier main shopping street. If you have national motor club membership (e.g. RAC for GB) there is a discount (10% IIRC) off the full price. I did this on the Wednesday of the event in 2010. Go for Bronze, it does everything you need imho - I went to service park while the Circus Maximus stage was running and it was a superbly relaxed venue at thet time, and the Macdonalds is just adjacent!!!

[Mintexmemory]

Woops - meant ADAC shop in post above!

[bluuford]

Anyone can give me a hint for Germany and Holland. Is there possibility to use some kind of pre-paid Sim-Card to use internet in my computer (via the internet stick) or Nokia phone? It is better when there are not very strict limits for data. I need to download some medium resolution weather maps and radar data. I would be very thankful for the information :-)

[Mintexmemory]

If you are stuck won't MacDonalds next to the Service park have wi fi - they all do in the UK

[Xsara Fan]

Evgeny Novikov`s co-driver Denis Giraudet will be replaced at ADAC Rally Deutschland by Nicolas Klinger. Denis will work as gravel crew co-driver.

[Xsara Fan]

Denis Giraudet is subject to an operation (http://www.almrally.ru/english/info/8724/)

Replacement in ALM RUSSIA rally team crew (http://www.almrally.ru/english/info/8725/)

[AP-Racing]

Evgeny Novikov`s co-driver Denis Giraudet will be replaced at ADAC Rally Deutschland by Nicolas Klinger. Denis will work as gravel crew co-driver.

ex co-driver Conrad Rautenbach, Nicolas Vouilloz and Thierry Neuville

[Mirek]

This year he has been doing IRC 2WD Cup with Robert Consani.

[Sander D.]

Before going to the Rallye Deutschland I'd like to visit some tests. I know there will be some tests near Riol and Brauneberg (from August 15 until August 18) but does anybody know which teams will be testing then (especially the dates when Ostberg, Tanak and Novikov will be testing) ?

Thanks in advance !!

Kind regards,


Sander

[Plan9]

I think podium for Sordo is fair bet. Loeb & Sordo are the best tarmac drivers in WRCar at the moment.

I agree. Although I am concerned that he was not able to go better in NZ. Anyone know if the prostitute car will be in Germany?

[James Graham]

I'd love to see Sordo on the podium in Germany. I think Prodrive have put a lot of effort into getting a good result on this event in order to cause maximum embarrassment to the 'works' cars in the backyard of BMW.

[Plan9]

Yes and also tarmac is the best chance for the Mini to win anything. If they don't win anything this year I fear for this projects long term prospects.

[Prisoner Monkeys]

The Toyota TMG Yaris R1A will makes its debut at the rally, where it will serve as cource car ahead of its homologation and the introduction of the R1A regulations next year:

Toyota unveils entry-level WRC Yaris - WRC news - AUTOSPORT.com (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/101788)

[tigerlily]

Hello :)

Does anyone know where this photo was taken?
http://www.drivesouth.co.nz/files/slideshow/Germany_Rally_Flah.jpg

thanks in advance!

[MartijnS]

It looks like they don't drive there anymore, it was one of the last corners of Moselland near the village Piesport, so would be one of the first now, but its not on the map of planetemarcus if I'm right..

[Mintexmemory]

It looks like they don't drive there anymore, it was one of the last corners of Moselland near the village Piesport, so would be one of the first now, but its not on the map of planetemarcus if I'm right..
Correct, the last descent down to the river plain level.

[hari]

Yes it is one of the Piesport Hairpins and it will be driven also this year. Just in other direction, uphill.
2012 its the second hairpin, about 1.4 km after start.



It looks like they don't drive there anymore, it was one of the last corners of Moselland near the village Piesport, so would be one of the first now, but its not on the map of planetemarcus if I'm right..

[MartijnS]

Ah, I see indeed!

ADAC Rallye Deutschland 2012 (by Dimitri Dusart).kmz - Google Maps (http://goo.gl/maps/Y8wVV)

[tigerlily]

>MartijnS
>Mintexmemory
>hari

Thank you for your quick reply!! :)
So this year, they are going up this corner.
I'm thinking to go to this place.

[Plan9]

Aren't we meant to have found out by this week that JML has gone to VW for 2013?

[Prisoner Monkeys]

It's only Tuesday. They've still got five days to annouce it.

[Hartusvuori]

Aren't we meant to have found out by this week that JML has gone to VW for 2013?

Let's wait until Rallye Deutschland.

[MJW]

Let's wait until Rallye Deutschland. Rallye Detschland is when VW is said to be announcing it's driver line up.
Should be interesting as allegedly Loeb will also be making his mind up around then and letting Citroen know his intentions for 2013.

[rallyfiend]

Rallye Detschland is when VW is said to be announcing it's driver line up.
Should be interesting as allegedly Loeb will also be making his mind up around then and letting Citroen know his intentions for 2013.

So perhaps Mikko will have missed the boat then!

Maybe he'll have to line up alongside Nobre at Motorsport Italia!

[GigiGalliNo1]

Atkinson to drive a Mini in Germany!

[userwave]

Atkinson to drive a Mini in Germany!

confirmed ?

[rp]

Atkinson to drive a Mini in Germany!

How on earth? He is not on the entry list and I doubt that Atko will replace any other driver...

[userwave]

Meeke really pissed off prodrive/mini didn't he

[EightGear]

Meeke is out of contract for some time now.

[Barreis]

Meeke is out of contract for some time now.

Source?

[EightGear]

That's at least what I've read some time ago. I don't remember where anymore.Maybe someone else here can confirm?

[rallye-vid]

German media writes, that Sordo will drive some special mini in the rally.

The "old" mini 01B will go to Araujo.

[Barreis]

That's at least what I've read some time ago. I don't remember where anymore.Maybe someone else here can confirm?

Please don't write this kind of stuff without source.

[SubaruNorway]

Source about Atkinson in Mini.
http://www.irally-live.com/ir_news.htm?00001582&11

[Barreis]

iRally | The free independent Rally App for the iPhone, iPad and Android (http://www.irally-live.com/ir_news.htm?00001582&11)

Was looking for source about Meeke released from mini contract.

[Plan9]

i-Rally has an interesting podcast from Dave Wilcock from Prodrive, which covers this. Apparently Prodrive thought Meeke deserved to drive a full season with Dani but the money ran out/BMW did not want to continue funding. Seemed doubtful Meeke would be doing nothing more than testing and driving customer Minis on non-championship rounds this year. Just look on the website for this. Hopefully something will emerge for him next year or its goodbye from him...

[noel157]

No need to say goodbye to Meeke. He'll be ok.

[rallyfiend]

Please don't write this kind of stuff without source.

It was in both MNews and Autosport.

[userwave]

i-Rally has an interesting podcast from Dave Wilcock from Prodrive, which covers this. Apparently Prodrive thought Meeke deserved to drive a full season with Dani but the money ran out/BMW did not want to continue funding. Seemed doubtful Meeke would be doing nothing more than testing and driving customer Minis on non-championship rounds this year. Just look on the website for this. Hopefully something will emerge for him next year or its goodbye from him...


it seemed to go all pear shaped for him after crashing out of last years Rally France ??

[Mikkaki]

Hmm, Esapekka Lappi in an Citroen C2 R2. Lets see what he can do outside Finland?

[EightGear]

http://www.imgdumper.nl/uploads5/502bbc838ca48/502bbc83835db-2012GermanyRoadBookAlert.jpg

:D

[Tinke1979]

Id like to know is there any prepaid micro-SIMs with mobile broadband available in Germany, and where to get some?

[HarriK]

Tinke: Handy-Surf-Flat 250 MB: Unbegrenztes mobiles Internet mit UMTS & GPRS (http://www.blauworld.de/tariff/mobile_internet_flat_250) ( Germans: does this need Germany Sim-card although?)

Or:
ALDI TALK - Internettarif (http://www.alditalk.de/web/internet-prepaid-tarif/internettarif/)

or:
http://www.lebara.de/shop/angebot#offer-dataflat

or:
www.vodafone.de (http://www.vodafone.de)
User quide: http://www.telestial.com/view_product.php?ID=LSIM-DE02

Someone may say which is the "best". I think the cheapest ones must be ordered from internet before going to Germany?

This site I have looked before: http://www.prepaidgsm.net/en/germany.html
I don't know if this site is up to date...

[rallye-vid]

I'm trying to get some info how it works if ur not living in germany.. For sure D1, Vodafone or O2 are the best.. E-Plus is crap.

[rallye-vid]

Back with some Info:

Go to LIDL (it's even near the service parc) and buy "Lidl Mobile".. It's a prepaid card in o2 network

http://i49.tinypic.com/290zw61.jpg

U'll get a card with 10€ balance.

Now how to activate the card.

1. U'll need to go online: Lidl Mobile - Lidl Deutschland - lidl.de (http://www.lidl.de/de/Lidl-Mobile)

Click then on "ALS NEUKUNDE FREISCHALTEN"

http://i47.tinypic.com/24xouvb.jpg

************************************************** ********************************************

2. On the second page write down the phone number and the activation code from the card

Mobilfunknummer -> phone number
Freischlatungsnummer -> activation code

http://i49.tinypic.com/2h3syut.jpg

************************************************** ***********************************************

3. The card should be active now.

4. Mobile internet costs 0,24€ / MB ..

If you want a kind of a flatrate (500MB for 6,95€. If you reach the 500MB u'll still have internet but slower), go to "DATEN-OPTIONEN" on the webside and click on "per SMS aktivieren"
Then write a SMS to number 54356 with the text START Handysurf

http://i50.tinypic.com/2aj503.jpg

If you need more balance on the card, go to LIDL and buy some ;)

cheers

[N.O.T]

This is why i really love this community :)

[rallye-vid]

Here some fresh news: Atkinson instead of Araujo in mini? Atkinson zu Mini?*:: rallye-magazin.de (http://www.rallye-magazin.de/rallyes/wm/nachrichten/news-detail/d/2012/08/15/atkinson-zu-mini/index.html)

[noel157]

Funnily enough somebody asked me about this last week. Araujo's performance have not been as good as expected and there was some kind of "meeting" after NORF (Armindo finished 15th). Atko's name wasn't mentioned but another WRC driver (currently without a WRC drive) was in the picture. Going by the article it looks like a done deal for the Ozzie.
I thought Araujo was signed up/paid up until the end of the season?

[Plan9]

Funnily enough somebody asked me about this last week. Araujo's performance have not been as good as expected and there was some kind of "meeting" after NORF (Armindo finished 15th). Atko's name wasn't mentioned but another WRC driver (currently without a WRC drive) was in the picture. Going by the article it looks like a done deal for the Ozzie.
I thought Araujo was signed up/paid up until the end of the season?

By any chance was the driver in the picture Kris? I have been very surprised by Armindo's results. I would have thought he would have made more of it; like Kris did last year by going flat out and showing his speed against a WRC benchmark (Dani). He has proved he is fast and spectacular at least.

[tolis]

Martin Koci will drive an Academy Fiesta R2 in Germany! He is planning to do full WRC Academy season next year.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s720x720/284933_399950690053708_91966949_n.jpg

[Tinke1979]

Now how to activate the card.

1. U'll need to go online: Lidl Mobile - Lidl Deutschland - lidl.de (http://www.lidl.de/de/Lidl-Mobile)

Click then on "ALS NEUKUNDE FREISCHALTEN"

http://i47.tinypic.com/24xouvb.jpg

************************************************** ********************************************

2. On the second page write down the phone number and the activation code from the card

Mobilfunknummer -> phone number
Freischlatungsnummer -> activation code

http://i49.tinypic.com/2h3syut.jpg

************************************************** ***********************************************

3. The card should be active now.





Maybe stupid question but:
How will I go online to activate my card IF i dont have internet access before this LIDL-card? :) Is there any prepaid SIM-cards that are good to GO after you have bought it from shop whitout any activitation?

[N.O.T]

Maybe stupid question but:
How will I go online to activate my card IF i dont have internet access before this LIDL-card? :) Is there any prepaid SIM-cards that are good to GO after you have bought it from shop whitout any activitation?

internet cafe ?

[EightGear]

McDonald's Wifi. :)

[GigiGalliNo1]

Go buy a GO-SIM international data and mobile sim card. Works a treat! I'm in Australia but in NZ and Europe it works amazing!

[Franky]

internet cafe ?

What's that?

[uranium]

What's that?
The public place where you can eat internet ;-)

[N.O.T]

What's that?

here in greece we are still undeveloped in the www stuff, only a relative small portion (given the circumstances) of people have access the internet and instead of having wifi in public areas as most civilised countries we have places were you basically pay to have internet by the hour and you can have drinks and stuff...

LOL...

[tolis]

Melicharek's livery for Rallye Deutschland

http://www.autosport.cz/img/clanky/b_74e59a33130637906bdf21df1ac57921.jpg

Testing before the rally


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7eGx-NhQDg

[tfp]

here in greece we are still undeveloped in the www stuff, only a relative small portion (given the circumstances) of people have access the internet and instead of having wifi in public areas as most civilised countries we have places were you basically pay to have internet by the hour and you can have drinks and stuff...

LOL...


If theres a choice between being in Greece, posting on Motorsport forums in an air conditioned bar whilst sipping a pint(?) of Mythos from a frozen glass....Or sitting at home using wifi, I know which is the right choice :D

PS Brother John where is the pub section?

[clander]

First post! We're from England and currently on holiday in Germany ready for WRC Rallye Deutschland (the 4th year we've attended). Shakedown has moved this year and we are wondering whether you can still see the start and speak with drivers before they start?? We cannot find online any old maps to see where the zone 1 spectator was - as for 2012 zone 1 spectator is not at the start :( Anyone got a previous years official brochure they can have a look for us... really love speaking with drivers at the start and will miss that this if we cannot. I wonder if because of qualifying it is not permitted??

thanks in advance

Cheers,
Chris.

[Rally Hokkaido]

First post!....I wonder if because of qualifying it is not permitted??

thanks in advance

Cheers,
Chris.

IIRC, there is no qualifying at tarmac WRC rounds.

[stefanvv]

Such car can participate in local championship in group X, cant it?

Sure it can, already saw one in Rally Tvarditsa, Bulgaria.

[CWJ]

Anyone got a previous years official brochure they can have a look for us... really love speaking with drivers at the start and will miss that this if we cannot. I wonder if because of qualifying it is not permitted??

thanks in advance
Cheers,
Chris.

http://www.adac-rallye-deutschland.de/docs/wrc/static/115/Appendix-4_Drawings_Layouts.pdf

Page 11 point #1 behind the Porta Nigra is the best place Thursday evening. Each car and all drivers will be there for about 20 min at least.

porta nigra - Google Maps (http://maps.google.de/maps?q=porta+nigra)

[MartijnS]

You can probably walk wherever you want at the shakedown. If you want to go to the start of the shakedown that shouldnt be a problem. I mean, it's not like they put a fence around a spectator zone and you have to stay there.

[HaCo]

Last year we walked from the finish up until where the stage crosses an highway. Very nice spots in between.
You could go further I think, but it was already a long walk and the terrain is not really what you would call flat ;-)

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[Prisoner Monkeys]

It's always been a mystery to me why the Rally of Germany has never used the Nurburgring as a stage. It's only 70km from Trier, and I think it would be fanstastic as the power stage. I know the FIA has rules that dictate that a stage may only have a certain average speed before it is deemed too fast, but the Finns brought Ouninpohja back for 2012, and the FIA could probably relax that rule for the Nurburgring because it is an established racing circuit and hosts international racing events - like the Nurburgring 24 Hours - and so it has to have a minimum FIA circuit grading, and safety is one of the biggest factors in deciding the grading. If the circuit can host a grid of a hundred racing cars (many of them amateurs) at once, then surely it could cope with timed runs of rally cars going once every two minutes ...

[MartijnS]

Last year....

Different shakedown this year :)

[Mirek]

It's always been a mystery to me why the Rally of Germany has never used the Nurburgring as a stage. It's only 70km from Trier, and I think it would be fanstastic as the power stage. I know the FIA has rules that dictate that a stage may only have a certain average speed before it is deemed too fast, but the Finns brought Ouninpohja back for 2012, and the FIA could probably relax that rule for the Nurburgring because it is an established racing circuit and hosts international racing events - like the Nurburgring 24 Hours - and so it has to have a minimum FIA circuit grading, and safety is one of the biggest factors in deciding the grading. If the circuit can host a grid of a hundred racing cars (many of them amateurs) at once, then surely it could cope with timed runs of rally cars going once every two minutes ...

Nordschleife is way faster than Ouninpohja. It's 20,8 km long and the time of Tommi Mäkinen with JDM Impreza STI was 7:55. That's average speed 157,6 km/h! For rally it's simply nonsense. S2000 would stay half of the circuit in rpm limiter and the WRC not much less (top speed is cca 200 km/h).

[Barreis]

Must say it would be nice to see it with chicanes to low the speed of SS. Anyway Loeb would destroy them. :P

[AndyRAC]

Would be nice to see the Nordschleife as a Stage - however, it would just make the current WRCars look pathetic. I even tried it on GT5 in the C4.......and gave up....WRCars aren't set up for top speeds. Maybe if we get a return of proper cars....

[stefanvv]

Would be nice to see the Nordschleife as a Stage - however, it would just make the current WRCars look pathetic. I even tried it on GT5 in the C4.......and gave up....WRCars aren't set up for top speeds. Maybe if we get a return of proper cars....

:D Group B monster would eat this for breakfast. Several passes of it and we can see Stig Blomqvist winning Rally Deutchland.

[Mirek]

Don't exagerate, S1 has no chance against new cars even on Nordschleife.

Of course there is always a possibility to make gearing for such circuit but why when all other stages are normal? WTCC S2000 had top speed around 240 km/h with similar engine specification as rally S2000 when it was needed (Monza for example). Just let it be like it is. It's circuit. It's beautiful one but no rally stage.

[N.O.T]

why people want to see rally cars on a track when they can watch WTCC ??

why god ? why ?

[Josti]

I like to see F1 cars driving there again, but rally cars, not per se (although, cinematically it´s interesting).

[AndyRAC]

why people want to see rally cars on a track when they can watch WTCC ??

why god ? why ?

Why would you want to watch the WTCC? That's a joke of a series....

[N.O.T]

Why would you want to watch the WTCC? That's a joke of a series....

because they are rally cars on track...thats why... and apparently there are people who are perverted enough who would like to see rally cars go in circles.

so instead of having a discussion about proper drivers driving proper cars in circles like girls... just watch WTCC and problem solved without polluting the WRC talk with trash.

[Barreis]

RAC used to have Silverstone track stage...

[julkki]

RAC used to have Silverstone track stage...

I think it was the Donington circuit that was used.

[Barreis]

I think it was the Donington circuit that was used.

You're probably right.

[AndyRAC]

Donington, Silverstone have both been used, in fact I think they were both included in 1997-99. Also both Oulton Park, Aintree have been used in the past. All used when there were the Spectator Country house stages which pulled in huge crowds. Something I'd like to see brought back.

[rallye-vid]

Tests in Veldenz

http://i1078.photobucket.com/albums/w482/just_me111/IMG_20120820_075121.png

http://i1078.photobucket.com/albums/w482/just_me111/IMG_20120820_084012.jpg

[rallysupportnl]

Foto's test Latvala Riol. (http://www.rallysupport.nl/index.php?id=194/)

http://www.rallysupport.nl/fileadmin/template/main/afbeeldingen/2012B/lattest2012/latvalatestriol2012DSC_0039.JPG

http://www.rallysupport.nl/fileadmin/template/main/afbeeldingen/2012B/lattest2012/latvalatestriol2012DSC_0432.JPG

http://www.rallysupport.nl/fileadmin/template/main/afbeeldingen/2012B/lattest2012/latvalatestriol2012DSC_0188.JPG

[dimviii]

Different shakedown this year :)

incar from shakedown to choose proper watch points
SansTitre 0001 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LUSX09UYTQ&feature=player_embedded#!)

[tigerlily]

Hi all

Please tell me where this place is! :)
http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/2729/20064110151055671135678.jpg

[Hartusvuori]

For the Slowly Sideways historic parade, Stig Blomqvist will drive Quattro E2.

News - WRC - ADAC Motorsport (http://www.adac-rallye-deutschland.de/uk/artikel/showdown-at-the-adac-rallye-deutschland-nascar-show-run-at-circus-maximus-149551)

[tigerlily]

Thank you tommeke_B!!
hmmm...it's a little shame that there won't be many jumps.

And do you know where this place is and if it is used this year too?
http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/7328/22514010151025628882057.jpg

Sorry for asking many questions.
I'll depart for Germany in a few hours. It's gonna be a long flight :)

[darkstar]

isnt so special reversed but also not really bad, but they dont lift so much if they lift at all:

Best of Rallye Deutschland WRC 2002 - 2006 Part 2 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=RiVuw7znARI#t=274s)

[Barreis]

Donington, Silverstone have both been used, in fact I think they were both included in 1997-99. Also both Oulton Park, Aintree have been used in the past. All used when there were the Spectator Country house stages which pulled in huge crowds. Something I'd like to see brought back.

Just watched 1997 RAC and it was Silverstone stage in it.

[COD]

Donington, Silverstone have both been used, in fact I think they were both included in 1997-99. Also both Oulton Park, Aintree have been used in the past. All used when there were the Spectator Country house stages which pulled in huge crowds. Something I'd like to see brought back.

Both were in at least 1999. Three stages in Silverstone (incl superspecial with two cars starting at once, even televised live). Grönholm retired his Toyota in Donington after engine failure ( similar to what Sainz experienced famously on last stage in Margam).

Yes, I'm old :)

[Barreis]

Haha, I started to follow WRC event after event from 1992. :P

[dimviii]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/430333_10151105440868685_111721365_n.jpg

[dimviii]

Autonews Magazine » WRC » Mikko Hirvonen: (http://www.autonews-magazine.com/blog/?p=25242)

[tigerlily]

Thank you tommeke_B!!
I've already arrived in Germany :) Can't wait the start of the rally.
Nice rally to you too.

And darkstar, thank you for the link!

[A FONDO]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/430333_10151105440868685_111721365_n.jpg

you got a boner didnt you?

[stefanvv]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/430333_10151105440868685_111721365_n.jpg

If he makes them 10, Trier might be renamed to Loebstadt :D

[Barreis]

When we'll know VW line-up for next year?

[br21]

When we'll know VW line-up for next year?

Don't know that, but it should be something like:
Ogier, Latvala, I don't know about Mikkelsen, Abbring surely has contract with VW for 2013 also...

[tolis]

http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/217815_10151111398248815_171644291_n.jpg

[Salist]

Great moment!

[dimviii]

you got a boner didnt you?

are you searching for something?

[Jafry]

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2012/1068/1068_adac_rally_deutschland_2012_9dc5f57b57.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2012/1068/1068_adac_rally_deutschland_2012_933299c8bf.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2012/1068/1068_adac_rally_deutschland_2012_b8aade82e1.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2012/1068/1068_adac_rally_deutschland_2012_a899e59925.jpg

Few photos from service before start HERE (http://www.rally-mania.cz/photogallery.php?id=1068)

[tfp]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/430333_10151105440868685_111721365_n.jpg

Loeb Road?


you got a boner didnt you?

Baahahaha!

[JAM]

Atkinson will start the rally?

[Andre Oliveira]

Whit which license?

[dimviii]

This year again, the Panzerplatte labyrinth is strongly waiting for us : 46km, 118 junctions, 51 pages....only unknown number : how many time will it take to cross the finish line ?! ^^

Julien Ingrassia | Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/julien.ingrassia?ref=stream)

[tolis]

Loeb pays tribute to Bugalski

http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/418804_10151047024633952_2122519515_n.jpg

[JAM]

Whit which license?

That's the milion dollar question :D

[COD]

The one held by Motorsport Italy?

I know Portugese and Armindo are pissed, but come on...He showed no speed. (never really has...), No real results either. A smart one would have just said " my plan and budget was for these rallies, nowit time for others to do it. I'll be back." After this crying, he has no future

[A FONDO]

The cornerstone for me is, who gave the money before Sweden in order to complete the season - Armindo through MINI Portugal, or BMW ?

[JAM]

The one held by Motorsport Italy?


The license is not held by Motorsport Itália. Is held by Armindo Araújo.

[Prisoner Monkeys]

I know Portugese and Armindo are pissed, but come on...He showed no speed. (never really has...), No real results either. A smart one would have just said " my plan and budget was for these rallies, nowit time for others to do it. I'll be back." After this crying, he has no future
Perhaps, but you have to consider the way Arajuo was removed from the team. If he is right and Motorsport Italia unfairly squeezed him out of his drive, then his claims certainly warrant investigation.

[Plan9]

Looks like Armindo will be taking this to the lawyers as fast as he can & BMW/Mini will claim some another scalp to add to the collection...

[Prisoner Monkeys]

Actually, BMW/Mini might discreetly side with Araujo on this one.

From the sounds of things, Motorsport Italia is the problem here, not Mini. If Araujo takes action against the team, then it gives Mini a ready-made excuse to back out and throw their support behind someone else. I don't really understand why they stopped supporting Prodrive, but the Araujo-Nobre combination at Mini Team Portugal hasn't worked out very well.

[Barreis]

It was about the money. Prodrive wanted money and MSI didn't look for money from mini/bmw.

[HarriK]

Shakedown live results:
Live commentary - ADAC Motorsport (http://www.adac-rallye-deutschland.de/uk/liveticker/static/)

[rallye-vid]

vM Junior crash

http://i1078.photobucket.com/albums/w482/just_me111/1345713830306.jpg

[HarriK]

Novikov problems in shake?

[rallye-vid]

Small fire

http://i1078.photobucket.com/albums/w482/just_me111/1345714827686.jpg

[dimviii]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/388134_459515260735565_1537698274_n.jpg

[HarriK]

Ramona too hot again?

edit: Van Merkstein
https://twitter.com/VMMotorsport/status/238572206651744257/photo/1/large

[dimviii]

Merkenstein crash with tree

[dimviii]

Also Neuville tributes Bug
https://p.twimg.com/A097Y8-CAAEHxiP.jpg
and changed seat position just before shakedown
https://p.twimg.com/A098hMeCcAA-bqV.jpg

photos from Colin Clarks twitter

[T.Maanteiden kuningas]

Shakedown
Shakedown is over. The top-10:
Sebastien Loeb: 2:25.2
Jari-Matti Latvala: 2:26.0
Mads Östberg: 2:26.3
Petter Solberg: 2:26.3
Thierry Neuville: 2:26.4
Mikko Hirvonen: 2:26.6
Daniel Sordo: 2:26.9
Ott Tänak: 2:27.8
Evgeny Novikov: 2:27.8
Chris Atkinson: 2:28.6

[dimviii]

Merkenstein crash with tree

not major crash seems
https://p.twimg.com/A0-UKG8CIAEJ4mc.jpg

[Mirek]

Shakedown
Shakedown is over. The top-10:
Sebastien Loeb: 2:25.2
Jari-Matti Latvala: 2:26.0
Mads Östberg: 2:26.3
Petter Solberg: 2:26.3
Thierry Neuville: 2:26.4
Mikko Hirvonen: 2:26.6
Daniel Sordo: 2:26.9
Ott Tänak: 2:27.8
Evgeny Novikov: 2:27.8
Chris Atkinson: 2:28.6

It's not over.

[6789]

Looks like JML is going to have to push like crazy to keep up with Loeb. Hope for a fight tomorrow.

[rallye-vid]

Ambulance on the sage. Propably N. Fuchs crashed.

Rescue helicopter is there also.

Another 2 ambulance on the stage. No info about the crew :-(

[T.Maanteiden kuningas]

It's not over.

Ok, my bad.

[T.Maanteiden kuningas]

Shakedown times:

1. Sebastien Loeb Citroen 2.25,2
2. Jari-Matti Latvala Ford 2.26,0
2. Mads Östberg Ford 2.26,0
4. Petter Solberg Ford 2.26,3
5. Thierry Neuville Citroen 2.26,4
6. Mikko Hirvonen Citroen 2.26,6
7. Daniel Sordo Mini 2.26,9
8. Ott Tänak Ford 2.27,8
9. Jevgeni Novikov Ford 2.27,8
10. Chris Atkinson Mini 2.28,6

[rallye-vid]

Fuchs lost a wheel and the wheel hit some spectators.

All are OK.

[zajic]

Ambulance on the sage. Propably N. Fuchs crashed.

Rescue helicopter is there also.

Another 2 ambulance on the stage. No info about the crew :-(

Acording to photographers on shake N. Fuchs lost wheel and a spectator was hit with it.


/Too slow :-)/

[Mirek]

I hope there is no bad injury. There was enough of bad luck this year...

[Juha_Koo]

According to one Finnish guy, who was on the spot, the tyre hit the spectator to the head... :/

[rallye-vid]

Police car is now on the stage.

[Tinke1979]

Fuchs slightly off 1,5km from start, ripped frontwheel off from the car and that wheel hit one spectator to the head :(

[tolis]

For sure they are the hottest girls in the WRC ever!

http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/253812_10151123213853641_328663731_n.jpg

[HarriK]

Hopefully all the shakedown times will be published after the stage is over.

[HarriK]

For sure they are the hottest girls in the WRC ever!



Looks a little bit that they also use the fire fighting system?

[kirungi okwogera]

For sure they are the hottest girls in the WRC ever!

http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/253812_10151123213853641_328663731_n.jpg
Not again!?! Cars aren't supposed to burst into flame every time you rally them. Karlsson needs to talk to her engineers... who was at shakedown, was it a major fire again?

[HarriK]

Rest of the shakedown is cancelled and all cars are coming back to service-park.

[Rom1]

Some pics here:

https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/539175_434956366546718_1806909111_n.jpg

https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/533226_434955546546800_1182524563_n.jpg

https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/551054_434956279880060_326473663_n.jpg

https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/292070_434956349880053_1472785377_n.jpg

Full album here HERE: eyes of rally (http://www.facebook.com/eyesofrally)

[tolis]

Adac Rally Deutschland 2012 Vav Merksteijn Jr out of the road (crash) skakedown - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1PIbT7MC98)

[OldF]

s Mikkelsen: new VW Škoda Fabia set-up for Germany (http://irallylive.com/ir_pod.htm?00000256#)

Interesting. Could this set-up be the VW set-up (Sachs dampers instead of Reiger on UK Skoda).

[Mirek]

I can't listen it now as I'm at work but they used Sachs on Fabias already before. Maybe not Mikkelsen but I'm pretty sure I saw Sachs dampers on both Fabias in Monte Carlo. I was not in other rallies though I can't confirm what was used there but I think they were switching between both to compare.

[Xsara Fan]

Fuchs slightly off 1,5km from start, ripped frontwheel off from the car and that wheel hit one spectator to the head :(

I was told that the spectator has died... But this information is not confirmed yet by officials.

[mousti]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/562869_410749035653202_556024236_n.jpg ....

[OldF]

I can't listen it now as I'm at work but they used Sachs on Fabias already before. Maybe not Mikkelsen but I'm pretty sure I saw Sachs dampers on both Fabias in Monte Carlo. I was not in other rallies though I can't confirm what was used there but I think they were switching between both to compare.

Andreas said that the set-up is completely different (front & rear diffs, anti-roll bars and dampers). Listening again, Andreas also mentioned that Ogier used the set-up in Monte so maybe VW Skoda is just using a different set-up.

[Tinke1979]

I was told that the spectator has died... But this information is not confirmed yet by officials.


Too bad if this rumour is true :( we were on that spot and see the whole thing :(

[rallye-sport]

Shakedown photos by Arnaud Photos Rallye Allemagne 2012 (http://www.rallye-sport.fr/photos-rallye-allemagne-2012/)


http://www.rallye-sport.fr/wp-content/gallery/allemagne-2012/mg_5092.jpg



http://www.rallye-sport.fr/wp-content/gallery/allemagne-2012/img_5120.jpg



http://www.rallye-sport.fr/wp-content/gallery/allemagne-2012/mg_5226.jpg

[Jafry]

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2012/1068/1068_adac_rally_deutschland_2012_9e9317d6bb.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2012/1068/1068_adac_rally_deutschland_2012_238746f544.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2012/1068/1068_adac_rally_deutschland_2012_662d0b9f41.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2012/1068/1068_adac_rally_deutschland_2012_a38838adc9.jpg

More photos from shakedown HERE (http://www.rally-mania.cz/photogallery.php?id=1068)

[mas-racing]

video shakedown on line on : www.mas-racing.be (http://www.mas-racing.be/) suject film

[tolis]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHNcW1ZPNA0

[Blitzerflitzer]

I was told that the spectator has died

Fortunately not, but according to the newspaper, there are 4 injured spectators.

ADAC Rallye in Trier - Zuschauer lebensgefährlich verletzt - Panorama - sueddeutsche.de (http://www.sueddeutsche.de/panorama/adac-rallye-in-trier-zuschauer-lebensgefaehrlich-verletzt-1.1448526)

[tolis]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0HvssFCqrU

[A FONDO]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GZg8CHu-QU
:laugh:

[stefanvv]

s Mikkelsen: new VW Škoda Fabia set-up for Germany (http://irallylive.com/ir_pod.htm?00000256#)

Interesting. Could this set-up be the VW set-up (Sachs dampers instead of Reiger on UK Skoda).

VW Motorsport use Sachs for their Polo, I don't know for Fabia this year though.

[Brother John]

Fortunately not, but according to the newspaper, there are 4 injured spectators.

ADAC Rallye in Trier - Zuschauer lebensgefährlich verletzt - Panorama - sueddeutsche.de (http://www.sueddeutsche.de/panorama/adac-rallye-in-trier-zuschauer-lebensgefaehrlich-verletzt-1.1448526)

For years, many rally fans try to say that modern cars are built stronger!
The smaller cars are in my opinion not as strong as before and too fast.
But then no one would believe that here.

[r199]

For years, many rally fans try to say that modern cars are built stronger!
The smaller cars are in my opinion not as strong as before and too fast.
But then no one would believe that here.

whe rimm of the wheel broke not the car.
http://www.swr.de/-/id=10222374/property=zoom/width=512/height=288/pubVersion=2/e3trrh/index.jpg

[stefanvv]

For years, many rally fans try to say that modern cars are built stronger!
The smaller cars are in my opinion not as strong as before and too fast.
But then no one would believe that here.

I would.

[Mirek]

For years, many rally fans try to say that modern cars are built stronger!
The smaller cars are in my opinion not as strong as before and too fast.
But then no one would believe that here.

I don't get Your thinking...

a) It was rim what was broken, no damage on the car
b) It was Subaru Impreza which is pretty big car

Eh?

[janvanvurpa]

For years, many rally fans try to say that modern cars are built stronger!
The smaller cars are in my opinion not as strong as before and too fast.
But then no one would believe that here.

I could not agree because your statement is so broad that all ability has disappeared for me to have any idea what PARTS of the car you mean were stronger/are weaker..ball joints? hubs? motor block? Head gasket?....what?

And since most of my life I work on OLD cars, but now have some "new" car stuff to see .....I don't know what you mean..Please clarify.

[janvanvurpa]

I don't get Your thinking...

a) It was rim what was broken, no damage on the car
b) It was Subaru Impreza which is pretty big car

Eh?


verdammte Mirek, you type faster than me! :s mash:

Confusing what he's referring to cause I have seen an obsessive attention to weight reduction thru smarter design---and then weight back in to just precisely hubs/upright/BIG bearings/BIG!!! Brakes BIG suspension parts
Unless somebody has a sharp eye they may not mark to the importance of a pivot bolt being 12mm vs a road car 10mm or the wheel studs being 14mm vs 12mm, but those 14mm are multiple times stronger, not just 20-30% but 200%-or more.

But I wonder what he's talking about?

[Mirek]

Yes, in those days it wasn't common to use finite element methods to optimize parts while now at least some basic simulations are made even for such stupid things like those tiny flat springs in the rotary knob used to set in-car temperature (maybe stupid example but it's from my job :) ).

As You said many people don't know that the strength of the shape is given by third power of its dimensions... and that there exists steel or steel 5x stronger...

[dimviii]

verdammte Mirek, you type faster than me! :s mash:

Confusing what he's referring to cause I have seen an obsessive attention to weight reduction thru smarter design---and then weight back in to just precisely hubs/upright/BIG bearings/BIG!!! Brakes BIG suspension parts
Unless somebody has a sharp eye they may not mark to the importance of a pivot bolt being 12mm vs a road car 10mm or the wheel studs being 14mm vs 12mm, but those 14mm are multiple times stronger, not just 20-30% but 200%-or more.

But I wonder what he's talking about?

rims and most brakes used at grN are lighter from oem.Competition wheel studs are much stronger than oem too.
Fuchs hit the sidewalk with his rim,at this occasion no 2mm bigger studs wouldn t prevent the wheel to broke.

[dimviii]

lucky he didn t destroy completely the ds3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcFopLinRy8&feature=player_embedded

[HaCo]

Weird accident.

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[danon]

... Fuchs hit the sidewalk with his rim,at this occasion no 2mm bigger studs wouldn t prevent the wheel to broke.

In this particule case 2mm added to 12 studs make quite a difference.
The wheel can still be broken but the possibility to detach and fly away
is much less likely to happen, not to mention the shape of the rim is a key factor.

[dimviii]

In this particule case 2mm added to 12 studs make quite a difference.
The wheel can still be broken but the possibility to detach and fly away
is much less likely to happen, not to mention the shape of the rim is a key factor.
rim didnt broke at studs surface.So even 20mm studs would have the same result.
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/553768_10151049366808952_1873667196_n.jpg

[dimviii]

This was just a tragic incident with a lot of bad luck involved. There's always some small chance that something unexpected like this goes wrong... Any more news about the injured?

agree just bad luck.3 from 4 persons are out of hospital,but one person is inside.

[Mirek]

Official information says one injured remains in hospital but without any details about how bad the injury is. The rest was already released.

[BleAivano]

Now here is a proper rally car with maestro himself:

https://twitter.com/RamonaRallying/statuses/238695437513654272


https://p.twimg.com/A1AEPFrCAAEfPfX.jpg





Not again!?! Cars aren't supposed to burst into flame every time you rally them.
Karlsson needs to talk to her engineers... who was at shakedown, was it a major fire again?

Fortunately it is not the car this time, only the grass. Car is fine.

[BleAivano]

*dp*

[dimviii]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttCXAFrOU3A&feature=player_embedded

[janvanvurpa]

rims and most brakes used at grN are lighter from oem.Competition wheel studs are much stronger than oem too.
Fuchs hit the sidewalk with his rim,at this occasion no 2mm bigger studs wouldn t prevent the wheel to broke.

Agree that tarmac wheels are probably lighter designed lighter, but compared to what? When we say OEM, tarmac stuff is usually bigger in diameter and width so maybe that's about even, but brakes, I'm not too sure..
I make a gravel kit for Sierra which matches original all iron disc but it is 233mm x 32:

That's US spec OEM, my disc and hat and 4wd OEM Cosworth--or "Group N"
http://rallyrace.net/jvab/spgm/gal/Xratty_Big_Brakes/Xratty_Big_Brakes15.JPG

Same kit installed, and my suspension too
http://i475.photobucket.com/albums/rr116/janvanv/jvabbrakesandstruts.jpg




But tarmac is typically at least 13" or 330mm at least and I'm doing 1 kit for some crazy guy that size and those discs are heavy.
Its clear tarmac stuff is much lighter, but then again they're not supposed to hit things....
Too bad they do.. like Fuchs..anybody else notice that all of the horrible things happening this year are all on tarmac events???

[janvanvurpa]

Now here is a proper rally car with maestro himself:

https://twitter.com/RamonaRallying/statuses/238695437513654272









Fortunately it is not the car this time, only the grass. Car is fine.

Yeah low car and red hot kat makes for exciting result...

And cool to see Mästern with an Audi again.
Man I'd love to get a copy of his book....(hint hint)

[Mirek]

..anybody else notice that all of the horrible things happening this year are all on tarmac events???

It was largely discussed here on forum and the conclusion is that yes, asphalt is much more dangerous for many various reasons.

[dimviii]

Agree that tarmac wheels are probably lighter designed lighter, but compared to what? When we say OEM, tarmac stuff is usually bigger in diameter and width so maybe that's about even, but brakes, I'm not too sure..
Jan i compare a rally rim/disc+hat +caliper with oem ones.When i say oem i mean from exactly the same model.
ie.
evo 9 has as oem a 8x17 rim with 235-45-17 tyre. Oem brake is 320x32 but not with rotors with seperate hats.
At gr N the homologated rims are 8x18 and most of them while they are bigger(18'' instead of 17'') are lighter.Only Braid is heavier than oem rim.All the other serious rims are lighter.
About brakes the homologated ones are 355 x32(a lot bigger from oem) but the disc is not one piece as oem,with very light hatAlso the caliper is very light(titanium pots!!) and small dimensions compare with oem ones.Once i put them in scales and where lighter,but can t remember by how many grams.

Now if we talk about evo x(or sti <2007 if you like) with oem brakes at 350x32 and 8,5x18 as oem rims you can see that in this occasion the rally rim-brake combo will be much lighter.


Too bad they do.. like Fuchs..anybody else notice that all of the horrible things happening this year are all on tarmac events???

Always was like this unfortunately.Haven t see any statistics,but from memory if we could measure last 10-20? years imho would be something like 70-30 or 80-20.

[hanjob11]

Hello,

pictures of today are online at rally3.de (http://www.rally3.de)
http://www.rally3.de/components/com_joomgallery/img_pictures/2012_1660/rallye_deutschland_2006/donnerstag_2007/album_1_2011/deutschland12_sdkh_077_20120823_2008400550.jpg

http://www.rally3.de/components/com_joomgallery/img_pictures/2012_1660/rallye_deutschland_2006/donnerstag_2007/album_1_2011/deutschland12_sdkh_062_20120823_1337203238.jpg

http://www.rally3.de/components/com_joomgallery/img_pictures/2012_1660/rallye_deutschland_2006/donnerstag_2007/album_1_2011/deutschland12_sdkh_129_20120823_1927271869.jpg

http://www.rally3.de/components/com_joomgallery/img_pictures/2012_1660/rallye_deutschland_2006/donnerstag_2007/album_1_2011/deutschland12_sdkh_152_20120823_1392227656.jpg

http://www.rally3.de/components/com_joomgallery/img_pictures/2012_1660/rallye_deutschland_2006/donnerstag_2007/album_1_2011/deutschland12_sdkh_213_20120823_1393050252.jpg


Karsten

[janvanvurpa]

Jan i compare a rally rim/disc+hat +caliper with oem ones.When i say oem i mean from exactly the same model.
ie.
evo 9 has as oem a 8x17 rim with 235-45-17 tyre. Oem brake is 320x32 but not with rotors with seperate hats.
At gr N the homologated rims are 8x18 and most of them while they are bigger(18'' instead of 17'') are lighter.Only Braid is heavier than oem rim.All the other serious rims are lighter.
About brakes the homologated ones are 355 x32(a lot bigger from oem) but the disc is not one piece as oem,with very light hatAlso the caliper is very light(titanium pots!!) and small dimensions compare with oem ones.Once i put them in scales and where lighter,but can t remember by how many grams.

Now if we talk about evo x(or sti <2007 if you like) with oem brakes at 350x32 and 8,5x18 as oem rims you can see that in this occasion the rally rim-brake combo will be much lighter.



Always was like this unfortunately.Haven t see any statistics,but from memory if we could measure last 10-20? years imho would be something like 70-30 or 80-20.


OK you're talking big nasty Evo.. But I was thinking like a little stinkin' Fiesta or Citra road car with who knows what for discs.

And again the calipers like I use for us clubbie guys in USA are a couple or more of kg lighter , real tarmac stuff is BIG like OMG :eek: big, and its I'm sure a bit lighter but not certain its a giant difference. (pssssst we better be careful, this is interesting but it might be edging toward the bright red line marked "Pub Talk" and we might our wieners spanked :uhoh: by my distant cousin countryman who imigrated to same place I did...and is even named same as I..)

[dimviii]

(pssssst we better be careful, this is interesting but it might be edging toward the bright red line marked "Pub Talk" and we might our wieners spanked :uhoh: by my distant cousin countryman who imigrated to same place I did...and is even named same as I..)
:vader:

[dimviii]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QHdj79VbAE&feature=player_embedded

[danon]

rim didnt broke at studs surface.So even 20mm studs would have the same result.
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/553768_10151049366808952_1873667196_n.jpg

Slip of the tongue.
I referred to the word 'spokes' while thinking of studs.
My bad.

[rallysupportnl]

Video Shakedown WRC Rallye Deutschland 2012


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4LgVd7jFus&feature=share&list=UUp0W3YWC2U fLpnmkRPQARZQ

[dimviii]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMrHA6h7bmQ&feature=player_embedded

[darkstar]

crash from van merksteijn:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qh5Pc9tu0xE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qh5Pc9tu0xE)

[Francis44]

Action will start soon.

Interesting post on Colin Clark's twitter. Supposedly Sordo has been denied a gravel crew, while even VW drivers have been given the permission to have them.

[rallyfiend]

Action will start soon.

Interesting post on Colin Clark's twitter. Supposedly Sordo has been denied a gravel crew, while even VW drivers have been given the permission to have them.

Prodrive are just a normal, privateer entry, probably paying the cheapest possible entry fee.

If they give one to him, they'd have to give to car 80 in a Twingo as well.

[Francis44]

Prodrive are just a normal, privateer entry, probably paying the cheapest possible entry fee.

If they give one to him, they'd have to give to car 80 in a Twingo as well.

Ok thank you for the clarification. I thought only WRC entrants could have gravel crews.

[Koppomsbo]

Is the rally radio up?

[HarriK]

23rd August, 2012 - Three persons injured in the shakedown at Konz in the morning have already been released from the Trier hospital. The fourth person is still receiving medical treatment.

Yes, Radio is on (just music now)

[r199]

Prodrive are just a normal, privateer entry, probably paying the cheapest possible entry fee.

If they give one to him, they'd have to give to car 80 in a Twingo as well.

Colin Clark ‏@voiceofrally (https://twitter.com/voiceofrally) Rules say only teams/drivers registered to score manufacturer points are permitted to run gravel crews.

so dont understand why VW can run gravel crew and prodrive not, uuuuh german team in german rally

[Livewireshock]

Radio is live now, started at 10:30

[GigiGalliNo1]

Radio is live now, started at 10:30

Gonna be a LATE wkened again!

[T.Maanteiden kuningas]

Petter 0,4 faster than Loeb in first split....

[Livewireshock]

Hey, at least you have a two hour advantage over us on the east coast of Australia. Actually was one of the joys I had while I was in China and listening to Becs, Colin and George.

[N.O.T]

Loeb already 5 seconds faster than Hirvonen on split 2

[Zeropt]

I was hoping Sordo could give Loeb a run for his money, without a gravel crew don`t think that is possible... :(

[T.Maanteiden kuningas]

split 3 Mikko is 5,6s slower than Loeb

[N.O.T]

Latvala 1.2 slower...

[Zeropt]

This is going to be a dificult one for Mikko, as expected...

[N.O.T]

It is not even funny...

[Francis44]

I hope Sordo can atleast put some pressure on Loeb, if not then no point to follow the rally.

[René]

Novikov stoped in stage

[Mirek]

I hope Sordo can atleast put some pressure on Loeb, if not then no point to follow the rally.

No chance even in same car I think. It's not completely dry which means every car puts some dirt on the road and the later You drive the worse conditions.

[T.Maanteiden kuningas]

Mikko´s time is quite good, because there is not so many better times on the board...

[René]

Good time for Neuville on the dirty road !

[Gard]

What happened to Østberg?

[Brother John]

I hope Sordo can atleast put some pressure on Loeb, if not then no point to follow the rally.

And the WRC should be interesting...... :rolleyes:

[N.O.T]

Good first splits by Atko... quite good actually. Faster than Sordo.

[Viking]

Trying hard to find something positive..Petter is as fast as Loeb in the last 5minutes of the stage.
Loeb will win this easy...

[GigiGalliNo1]

No chance even in same car I think. It's not completely dry which means every car puts some dirt on the road and the later You drive the worse conditions.

I agree