Name that Car 2

[Hoop-98]

Perfect, your turn.
Sneva competed in this car at Elkhart and Laguna, and teammate Cogan at Elkhart and Mid-Ohio.

The 6 car driven by Cogan is listed as a Theodore-Cosworth TC.

Elkhart Lake 1983
6 Kevin Cogan Master Mechanic/Caesar's Theodore CoswTC 14th Electrical

Sneva finished 18th at Laguna, Engine.

Cogan 6th at Mid-Ohio, Sneva 7th

You can buy one if you like.

http://oval.race-cars.com/carsales/other/1148475468/1148475468ss.htm

[Hoop-98]

Perfect, your turn.
Sneva competed in this car at Elkhart and Laguna, and teammate Cogan at Elkhart and Mid-Ohio.

The 6 car driven by Cogan is listed as a Theodore-Cosworth TC.

Elkhart Lake 1983
6 Kevin Cogan Master Mechanic/Caesar's Theodore CoswTC 14th Electrical

Sneva finished 18th at Laguna, Engine.

Cogan 6th at Mid-Ohio, Sneva 7th

You can buy one if you like.

http://oval.race-cars.com/carsales/other/1148475468/1148475468ss.htm

More Info:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teddy_Yip

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodore_Racing

rh

[Phoenixent]

Perfect, your turn.
Sneva competed in this car at Elkhart and Laguna, and teammate Cogan at Elkhart and Mid-Ohio.

Thanks.

Nice photo of that car. :up:

New photo coming up.

[Phoenixent]

Driver, Year, Car, & Track

http://shutter03.pictures.aol.com/data/pictures/09/008/5E/76/77/A2/RsGP-dMkfm1CBuIPM4J-kvz8LEfH8zoD01F4.jpg

[Alexamateo]

Ralph Liquori
Epperly69FE-OffyTC
Phoenix
1971

The only reason I know it is because I've got that same photo saved on my hard drive, because "Maybe I can stump Phoenix and Chris on Name that Car one day!" :p :

Guess not now Huh?

Nice photo of "Ralphie the Racer" :up:

[Phoenixent]

Ralph Liquori
Epperly69FE-OffyTC
Phoenix
1971

The only reason I know it is because I've got that same photo saved on my hard drive, because "Maybe I can stump Phoenix and Chris on Name that Car one day!" :p :

Guess not now Huh?

Nice photo of "Ralphie the Racer" :up:


You are Correct. :bounce:

Keep trying to Stump us AM. ;)

Your Turn.

[Alexamateo]

You are Correct. :bounce:

Keep trying to Stump us AM. ;)

Your Turn.

Alright, the usual please!

[mlv]

Mel Kenyon
Eagle-Foyt
1974 Indy practice

[Alexamateo]

You got it! mlv.

My info says an offy, but looking at the car again, I would say that's wrong and it's a Foyt.

You're up.

[mlv]

You got it! mlv.

My info says an offy, but looking at the car again, I would say that's wrong and it's a Foyt.

You're up.

Actually i`m not sure about the engine - just took Foyt from entry list.
Lets try this...
http://img106.imageshack.us/img106/762/whohi3.th.jpg (http://img106.imageshack.us/my.php?image=whohi3.jpg)
?

[decartfan]

Rick Mears, in a Penske with a N/A engine?

[mlv]

Rick Mears is correct, as well Penske but which one?
engine?
year?
track?

[Chris R]

1983
PC-11
Elkhart Lake??
guessing they tried a Chevy N/A engine as a last ditch effort to make PC-11 competitive before ditching it in favor of the PC-10B.....

[mlv]

You`re right Chris. :s mokin:
Penske ordered 2 PC11-Chevy`s after Indy and at least one assembled and arrived to States. It was normally aspirated V-8 and Penske hired AAR engine man Stump Davis to oversee the operation (Karl Kainhofer was original Penske`s engine man.)Chief mech was regular Penske`s "spare car" mech Clive Howell. Mears tried it firstly at Elkhart Lake practice, i believe this picture has taken.Later Penske even bought March83C from Brayton Racing(Pat Bedard`s car) after Pocono and run it in Pennzoil colours at Laguna Seca practice .
Your turn.

[Chris R]

great picture of a rare Penske - I really had to guess on that one - I don't even remember the car.....

anyway - here is another oddball car

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l91/cbruske/next30.jpg

the usual stuff please.....

[mlv]

Bruce McLaren
Shelby-Wallis General Electric turbine car
1968 Indianapolis (DNQ)

[Chris R]

Bruce McLaren
Shelby-Wallis General Electric turbine car
1968 Indianapolis (DNQ)


you got it...

My source says it is Denis Hulme in the car - I cannot say for sure beyond that source....

your turn!!

[mlv]

you got it...

My source says it is Denis Hulme in the car - I cannot say for sure beyond that source....

your turn!!

I`m not sure as well...
Looks more like McLaren for me???
http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/3923/brucemk5.th.jpg (http://img46.imageshack.us/my.php?image=brucemk5.jpg)

http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/3083/guessqg4.th.jpg (http://img410.imageshack.us/my.php?image=guessqg4.jpg)
?

[Chris R]

http://www.kruse.com/results/return.asp?MAKE=SHELBY+TURBINE+CAR&RESULTS=1

http://www.group7.suite.dk/html/body_indy_500.html

well, that all makes it as clear as mud doesn't it!!

I guess we'll have to settle for knowing what car it was.... ;)

[Phoenixent]

Driver- Tony Bettenhausen Jr.
Year- 1988
Car- Lola T87-Cosworth
Track- Long Beach DNQ

[mlv]

Tony B. and Long Beach are correct but not in 1988.

[mlv]

Too difficult?
Some tips: Bettenhausen qualified but withdraw and let somebody else to drive this car on race day.
?

[Chris R]

Guido Dacco
Lola T8900
Long Beach
1990

[mlv]

Correct
Its Bettenhausen in Euromotorsport year old Lola at LB 1990 practice.Tony B. did not want to risk to destroy his own car before his main target Indy 500, so he made a deal with Antonio Ferrari. He qualified but after original Euromotorsport driver Dacco blow off the engine of #50 sister car, TB withdraw and let Dacco to drive LB GP.
http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/2663/90daccolbhs4.th.jpg (http://img378.imageshack.us/my.php?image=90daccolbhs4.jpg)
Dacco @ LB practice

Your turn

[Chris R]

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l91/cbruske/RogerMears.jpg

here's the latest.
year, car, & driver please

[Chris R]

hey, where is everybody? just bumping this to the top......

[dfm1981]

Though you'd all get a kick out of this photo of Johnny Carson getting ready to turn some laps in a Lotus turbine.

The car Carson drove wasn't a Lotus. The Lotuses were a mid-engine wedge shape. The car Johnny drove was the Granatelli/Pratt & Whitney turbine with the side mounted engine (on the left with the driver on the right). I remember seeing the film of Johnny's drive (not video in the '60's) on the Tonight Show.

The picture below is the 1967 Granatelli Turbine. This view shows the side-by-side engine and driver locations clearly. Also here's a link to a color photo of the Granatelli STP Team. That's Andy Granatelli in the red blazer with his brothers Vince and Joe on each side. http://www.indianapolismotorspeedway.com/photo/build_photo_ims.php?photo_id=13169&size=med

Here's a link to a picture of Joe Leonard in the Lotus turbine 1968 and another to a larger version of the Carson picture
http://www.indianapolismotorspeedway.com/photo/build_photo_ims.php?photo_id=12766&size=med

http://www.indianapolismotorspeedway.com/photo/build_photo_ims.php?photo_id=14524&size=med

[Phoenixent]

The car Carson drove wasn't a Lotus. The Lotuses were a mid-engine wedge shape. The car Johnny drove was the Granatelli/Pratt & Whitney turbine with the side mounted engine (on the left with the driver on the right). I remember seeing the film of Johnny's drive (not video in the '60's) on the Tonight Show.

I believe it's a Paxton designed car with a Pratt & Whittney turbine buillt for Granatelli's team. That is how it is list in the info on turbine cars. Granatelli liked the idea of a turbine car after seeing one at the speedway few years before. Then went to Paxton to have a car designed and built.

[Alexamateo]

hey, where is everybody? just bumping this to the top......

Sorry, It's spring! I'm sure you'll understand. ;) ROger Mears, Penske PC-10 Cosworth 1983 Laguna Seca?

[Chris R]

Sorry, It's spring! I'm sure you'll understand. ;) ROger Mears, Penske PC-10 Cosworth 1983 Laguna Seca?

I certianly do understand the spring thing - shrubs flying around left and right here!!! (perhaps I cna find some Hollyhocks to hold on to for Derek Daly!!)

Yes, you are right - not sure about the track - it is a pre-season promotional photo that I got with his autograph.....

You're up!!

[Alexamateo]

(perhaps I can find some Hollyhocks to hold on to for Derek Daly!!)



:D :laugh:

[Phoenixent]

hey, where is everybody? just bumping this to the top......

Hey Guys. :wave:

Been out on a film shoot for two weeks but I am back. Let see the new photo AM. :)

[Alexamateo]

Hey Guys. :wave:

Been out on a film shoot for two weeks but I am back. Let see the new photo AM. :)

Here it is!

Welcome back Phoenix :wave:

Chris, I'm glad to hear your spring is going good. I just had my biggest selling month ever :up: In fact, I got a personal call from our CEO this morning congratulating me :) It's all good right now and it should continue on through April and May also. For those that don't know, Chris and I are in the Nursery(trees and shrubs) business, so spring is our busiest time.

Anyway, Here's the next one, the usual please.

[Phoenixent]

Driver- Bill Vukovich Jr.
Year- 1970
Car- Spitfire-Offy
Track- Milwaukee

Car owned by J.C.Agajanian

[Alexamateo]

According to my info,

wrong driver
wrong car
wrong track
wrong year

Owner is JC Agajanian though.

[Phoenixent]

Driver- Bruce Walkup
Year- 1971
Car- Wolverine-Offy
Track- Phoenix

[Alexamateo]

Driver- Bruce Walkup
Year- 1971
Car- Wolverine-Offy
Track- Phoenix

ding ding ding! We have a winner!

[Alexamateo]

You know Phoenix, You missed so badly on the first guess, I had to go back and make sure I had the correct info. FWIW this is where I found the original info:


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OldRacingCars.com

Join Date: Jul 2001
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I'm never one to give up on a good thread, so here's more news from Phoenix Spring 1971.

According to Racing Pictorial, there were three other cars at Phoenix that do not appear on the results. Presumably they were too slow to qualify. One was Rick Muther in the #54 Adams Turbine but the other two are a puzzle to me.

First here's Bruce Walkup in the #98 Agajanian entry. Is this the Wolverine? It looks like the #98 from Indy 70 but also like the #97 from Indy 71. But the #97 from Indy 71 is said to be a Brabham!? I'm confused.

http://www.oldracingcars.com/images/copyrighted/AgajanianSpl-Walkup-Phoenix71.jpg

Next up is a real puzzle. What's this?

http://www.oldracingcars.com/images/copyrighted/Maxson89Spl-Ligouri-Phoenix71.jpg

Allen (http://www.trackforum.com/forums/member.php?u=1099)

[Phoenixent]

I have seen it list as a Spit-Fire after the sponsor and a Brabham which is probably the base for this car. But that just a guess.

Photo coming up.

[Phoenixent]

Driver, Year, Car, & Track

http://shutter01.pictures.aol.com/data/pictures/08/001/5F/3D/85/66/w1LA6k9GZdYS46cwwqQzM6q7noNQzjo70190.jpg

[Chris R]

Bill Alsup
1983 Michigan
Fall Race
March 83c cosworth

[Phoenixent]

Bill Alsup
1983 Michigan
Fall Race
March 83c cosworth


You are Correct. :up:

Just picked this photo up today and thought it would be nice to see Bill Alsup in a March instead of the Argo that year.

Your Turn. :)

[Chris R]

Nice Photo - guess we had some pretty regional sponsors back then too!!

here is the next - the usual please

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l91/cbruske/meadow19842.jpg

[Phoenixent]

Drivers- #1 Al Unser & #11 Pete Halsmer
Year- 1984
Cars- #1 March 84C-Cosowrth & #11 March 84C-Cosworth
Track- Meadowlands

[Chris R]

you got it! :D

another one of my 1984 Meadowlands pics.....

your turn

[Phoenixent]

you got it! :D

another one of my 1984 Meadowlands pics.....

your turn

Great Shot. :up:

Big Al's car had a great paint job that year.

New photo coming up.

[Phoenixent]

Drivers, Cars, Year, & Track

http://shutter02.pictures.aol.com/data/pictures/09/009/3D/B6/B7/D2/5TWKAv-LndGzOHNvDrhb+RKHj6uZ8Ywg01C2.jpg

[Chris R]

Indy 1982
Pancho Carter - March 82C - Cosworth
Al Unser Sr. - Longhorn LR03-Cosworth
Bobby Rahal - March 82C -Cosworth
Johnny Rutherford - Chaparral(getting quite long in the tooth I might add)
Gary Bettenhausen - Lightning - Cosworth
Don Whittington - March 81c -Cosworth

Great photo with some great drivers (and a future convicted felon...)

[Phoenixent]

Indy 1982
Pancho Carter - March 82C - Cosworth
Al Unser Sr. - Longhorn LR03-Cosworth
Bobby Rahal - March 82C -Cosworth
Johnny Rutherford - Chaparral(getting quite long in the tooth I might add)
Gary Bettenhausen - Lightning - Cosworth
Don Whittington - March 81c -Cosworth

Great photo with some great drivers (and a future convicted felon...)

You are Correct Chris. :up:

What a Great mix of cars in the photo. It is of a time when the Indy 500 was a Great race. So many teams trying different thing to get the edge to win. Miss those years and uniqueness that was the month of May. :(

Your Turn.

[Chris R]

That is true - when was the lat time you saw 4 makes and at least 3 different manufacture year in one photo on race day??

That being said - it seems like, whne left to their own devices, everything starts to converge on the best idea anyway (Miller, Offy, Kurtis, Watson, McLaren & Eagle, March & Lola) - but they are not even allowed to try to be innovative anymore.....

I know they have to restrict thing more these days - but couldn't they go back to anything that fits a certian size box is ok (with some other basic rules thrown in - especially regarding safety). then they could maybe go with a 2 liter turbo and fiddle with boost to keep power under 1,000hp.

oh well - no point in getting too misty eyed - isn't going to happen anytme soon....

or perhaps there is a poster here with lots of $$ that wants to start a third series??? ;)

photo coming up....

[Chris R]

ok, so this is obviously Meadowlands, 1984 - you have something good you stick with it!! :)
Car and driver please (this isthe last of these photos....)

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l91/cbruske/Holbertmead1984.jpg

[decartfan]

Al Holbert, March 84C-Cossie, Alex Morales Team

[Chris R]

you got it! I did not realize/remember thatthat was Alex Morales Racing (Alex Foods right?)... Whatever happened to him /the team anyway?

Your turn!

[decartfan]

this should keep you busy some days

[Chris R]

Michel Jourdain Jr.
late 2002 -early 2003
Laguna Seca???

testing??
Lola Cosworth

[decartfan]

Testing and Lola-Cosworth is right, rest not

[Phoenixent]

Driver- Scott Speed
Year- 2001
Car- Lola B01-Ford Cosworth
Track- Firebird International Raceway

[decartfan]

Correct, it was the Stars of Tomorrow driver search program for 2002. Next photo please.
BTW, does anyone have photos from the 2000 test and before?

[Phoenixent]

Correct, it was the Stars of Tomorrow driver search program for 2002. Next photo please.
BTW, does anyone have photos from the 2000 test and before?

Very Cool Photo. :up:

Good thing the Scott went to F1 instead of RLR.

New photo coming up.

[Phoenixent]

Driver, Year, Car, & Track

http://shutter03.pictures.aol.com/data/pictures/01/00C/60/BB/4D/74/XAjd9rhc904rWFjBEvygWJA+7tFswPg-0190.jpg

[Chris R]

Parnelli Jones
1965
Lotus-Ford
Milwaukee?? (guessing - I am thinking it is a road course - but the only road course was IRP and he wasn't there.....

[Alexamateo]

Parnelli Jones
Milwaukee
1965
Lotus Ford

[Alexamateo]

Chris, you must have hit the "post reply button" just a little quicker. I guess if we were drag racing you got the hole shot! ;)

[Phoenixent]

Parnelli Jones
Milwaukee
1965
Lotus Ford

Right Car, Track and Driver. :)

[Alexamateo]

If it's not 1965, It must be from 1964 Milwaukee II. A win for Parnelli I believe!

[Phoenixent]

If it's not 1965, It must be from 1964 Milwaukee II. A win for Parnelli I believe!

You are Correct AM. :up:

Yes a win and a new track record at The Mile.

Your Turn.

[Phoenixent]

Both you guys are quick on the Submit button. :laugh:

[Alexamateo]

Well you know how it is, I came upstairs to get some more work done and said, "well I'll just check the forums and see if anything interesting is going on" I'll bet I can waste a good 30-45 minutes now :p : Damn You Phoenix, Chris & "Name That Car!" :laugh:

Next Photo coming up in a few minutes.

[Alexamateo]

For whatever reason, the attachment upload screen is not pulling up for me, if someone else wants to go, go right ahead.

[Alexamateo]

Working now. Anyway, Guess this way back machine.

[Chris R]

is this is a trick question ;)

I am going to say
Jack Brabham
late 1960 after Watkins Glen F-1 race
Indianapolis - first test run of Cooper at Indy
Cooper - Climax

interesting pics I found while looking for info....
http://www.tamsoldracecarsite.net/ZMHFormulaCars.html#Formula%20Cars

[Alexamateo]

You've got it! :up:

No trick though, I think it's from 1961 practice, but I'm not 100% sure. Did they test at Indy in 1960 after Watkins Glen?

Anyway, it's the start of the rear-engine revolution and without getting political probably the seed of the "split" between midget/sprint racers and formula/road racers.

[Chris R]

your point about the begining of the split is probably right - although previous European "invasions" did not lead to such dire things (heck, the Offy is really pretty closely based on the 1914 Peugeot.....

Anyhow, here's a new one:
http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l91/cbruske/alsup.jpg

enjoy - obviously no track to identify in this one!!

[gm99]

Bill Alsup

1981 Penske-Cosworth

BTW: Does AB in the Sponsor's name stand for "A big"? :D

[Chris R]

GM99 has it!!

Penske had a fine looking fleet of PC-9B in 1981!

As for the name - could be :eek: those are some pretty big machines there in the background....

For those of you who are into home audio, Adcom makes power amplifiers with the name "GFA-###". A friend of mine had a tour of the production facility years ago and asked what the "GFA" stood for and was told - "great F****ng amp".....

your turn....

[gm99]

Thank you, Chris!

Here's my picture - the usual, please (for the car in front)!

[Phoenixent]

Drivers- #40 Jimmy Vasser & #20 Roberto Moreno
Year- 2001
Cars- #40 & #20 Reynard 01i-Toyota
Track- Lausitzring

[gm99]

Everything right except one of the drivers ;)

[Phoenixent]

Drivers- #19 Townsend Bell & #20 Roberto Moreno
Year- 2001
Cars- #19 & #20 Reynard 01i-Toyota
Track- Lausitzring

[gm99]

That's right, Phoenixent - your turn now!

[Phoenixent]

Driver, Year, & Car
http://shutter01.pictures.aol.com/data/pictures/08/007/1B/FF/0C/39/9joxkxYtdwAX5Svf3Oz1VSAUDMogaczI01F4.jpg

[Mihai]

Randy Lewis
March-Cosworth
1983
Cleveland maybe ?

[Phoenixent]

Randy Lewis
March-Cosworth
1983
Cleveland maybe ?

Right Car. :up:
Worng Driver and Year. :(

[Mihai]

It's 1984, sorry.
Peter Kuhn @ Mid-Ohio ?

[Phoenixent]

It's 1984, sorry.
Peter Kuhn @ Mid-Ohio ?

Worng Driver and Year. :(

Keep Digging. :up:

[Chris R]

johnnie Parson
Cleveland
1986
March 85C Cosworth

[Phoenixent]

johnnie Parson
Cleveland
1986
March 85C Cosworth

Right Car. :up:

Wrong Year, and Driver. :(

Keep Digging.

[Chris R]

1985
Rupert Keegan
Miami
March 85C-Cosworth.....

tough one!!

[Phoenixent]

1985
Rupert Keegan
Miami
March 85C-Cosworth.....

tough one!!

You are Correct. :up: :bounce:

It's not a great photo but it's the only one I have of Rupert. Great challenge to everyone this round.

Your turn Chris.

[Chris R]

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l91/cbruske/naz_15.jpg

here the next, the usual please!

I didn't remember Rupert Keegan doing Indy cars - I do remeber the Skoal Porsche 956 he drove with Jonathan Palmer - somehow I ended up with a promo poster of it!!

[Hayden Fan]

Danny Ongais
Road America

[Chris R]

Right driver
wrong track
year? and car?

keep digging

[Hayden Fan]

I have no clue. That car was raced years before I was even born. So any year before 1989.

[Chris R]

wow - do I feel like an old timer now :( I have 20 years on you and I thought I was still "young" :D

Anyhow, glad to have younger fans that don't remember much before the great schism..... shows maybe AOWR is not totally helpless at this time...

Anyhow - if you are interested in digging some more I'll give you some hints (and some idea of how I look at these pictures when I have no clue what I am looking at):
1. photo is not much older than you
2. This was (as near as I can tell) the second to last CART appearance for Ongais.
3. Since it is in the 80's you can pretty much safely guess either Lola or March and be right 90% of the time
4. Since it does not have a push rod (someone correct me if I have that term wrong/backwards) it narrows down the car type down
5. It doesn't have a pointy roll bar (big clue to what year car it is NOT once you figure out the above suspension thing).
6. It is a pretty slick looking car and looks like the tub and bodywork are one and the same - another clue to general time....


Good luck - I don't know about everyone else but I have fuin following little clues like these....

Chris

[Phoenixent]

I have no clue. That car was raced years before I was even born. So any year before 1989.

Welcome aboard Hayden. :up:

Hope you enjoy this thread you will see alot and learn alot as we all do. It's the most fun on this forum. Hint on the Danny O photo the track is scheduled to be torn down and is home to a Great Driver that's retired also the year that Big Al won his 4th Indy.

[Hayden Fan]

Welcome aboard Hayden. :up:

Hope you enjoy this thread you will see alot and learn alot as we all do. It's the most fun on this forum. Hint on the Danny O photo the track is scheduled to be torn down and is home to a Great Driver that's retired also the year that Big Al won his 4th Indy.


Danny Ongais
1987
March Cosworth
Nazereth

Hope this is it.

[Chris R]

Hayden has it!! :D

Good digging,

your turn!

[Hayden Fan]

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s279/NeelJaniFan_2007/20011014P_0016.jpg

The car in front

[Alexamateo]

Mauricio Gugelmin
Reynard-Mercedes
2000
Laguna Seca

[Hayden Fan]

Right driver, and track.

[Alexamateo]

Right driver, and track.

Then it's 2001 Reynard-Toyota
Maurice Gugelmin
Laguna Seca

[Phoenixent]

Then it's 2001 Reynard-Toyota
Maurice Gugelmin
Laguna Seca


I would say with that American Flag on the nose it's 2001. :up:

[drewdawg727]

and the motorola car in the back...

[Hayden Fan]

Then it's 2001 Reynard-Toyota
Maurice Gugelmin
Laguna Seca

You are the winner! Now your turn.

[Alexamateo]

You are the winner! Now your turn.

Here's the next one

[BobGarage]

Emmo
March Cosworth
1984
WIT Racing
Long beach

[BobGarage]

and if its not emmo its Kenneth Acheson at Meadowlands.

[Alexamateo]

First guess is right, it's Emmo @ Long Beach

6 minutes WOW, I'll bet CHris R hasn't even seen it yet :D

you're up. :up:

PS I'm kind of glad someone got it fast because I 've got to go in about an hour and won't be back all day.

[BobGarage]

hers the next one then...

[Chris R]

Mark Dismore
1989
Mid-Ohio
Lola-Buick

[BobGarage]

indeed it is.

your turn.

[Chris R]

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l91/cbruske/foyt5.jpg

here's the next one - the usual please....

[mlv]

AJ Foyt
Coyote-Ford
1971 Indy ?

[Chris R]

MLV has it!

I am not positive it is Indy - but I think it is.....

your turn!!

[mlv]

http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/1393/whosm6.th.jpg (http://img267.imageshack.us/my.php?image=whosm6.jpg)

?
?
?
?

[BobGarage]

willy t ribbs
laguna seca
1992
lola chevy

[mlv]

Laguna Seca & Chevy engine are correct, everything else wrong.
Try agein.

[BobGarage]

domonic dobson?
1993?
Galmer 92? - Chevy
Laguna Seca

[Chris R]

wow, a Galmer "customer car" :eek:
now there is something you don't see everyday!!

[mlv]

Yep, its year old Galmer92B in hands of Dobson at Laguna - the race name was Makita 300 IIRC. Very rare image.
Your turn BobGarage

[BobGarage]

next one....

[mlv]

Darin Brassfield
LolaT8800-Cosworth
Laguna Seca 1988

[BobGarage]

all right, except the track!

[mlv]

Is it really Mid-Ohio?
This image has taken from "Men and Machines of Indy Car Racing" 1988, pg77.

[BobGarage]

my source for the photo says its mid-ohio.

your go.

[mlv]

http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/7848/whoot0.th.jpg (http://img246.imageshack.us/my.php?image=whoot0.jpg)

who
where
what
when

[Phoenixent]

Driver- Gary Bettenhausen
Track- Michigan
Car- Wildcat-Cosworth
Year- 1981

[mlv]

Right car.
Wrong driver,year and track.
Try agein.

[Phoenixent]

Driver- Chip Ganassi
Track- Phoenix
Car- Wildcat-Cosworth
Year- 1982

[mlv]

Correct.
To be exact, it`s season opener and the car is year old Wildcat Mk8.
Your turn.

[Phoenixent]

Sorry about the delay I have been away on a film location. It's TV pilot season and just going nuts right now. New photo below.

Drivers, Cars, Year, & Track

http://shutter05.pictures.aol.com/data/pictures/10/005/7F/2E/AA/95/xPrRMQkI-BOJO+6LDOGSgi0EO3CmYJq3023A.jpg

[Chris R]

84 - George Snider - March 86C Cosworth
56 - Steve Chassey - March 86C-Buick
10 - Spike Gehlhausen - Lola Cosworth
Michigan 500 - 12986

Nice photo :)

[Phoenixent]

84 - George Snider - March 86C Cosworth
56 - Steve Chassey - March 86C-Buick
10 - Spike Gehlhausen - Lola Cosworth
Michigan 500 - 12986

Nice photo :)

You are Correct Chris. :up:

I knew it would be easy one. But the drivers in the photo you seldom hear about.

Your Turn.

[Alexamateo]

Michigan 500 - 12986

Nice photo :)

Are you from the future? :p : :eek: :)

[Chris R]

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l91/cbruske/foytduq.jpg

...and now for something completely different....

moving from the future Indy historic series of 12986 to the past of "champcars"

Track, Driver, year please.....

[Phoenixent]

Driver- A.J.Foyt Jr.
Year- 1969
Car- Meskowski-Ford
Track- Illinois State Fairgrounds-Springfield,Illinois

[Chris R]

Phoenix has it!! :cool:

You gotta love that re-plumbed Ford four cammer - I wonder if they just turned the heads over???

your turn!!

[Phoenixent]

Phoenix has it!! :cool:

You gotta love that re-plumbed Ford four cammer - I wonder if they just turned the heads over???

your turn!!

Cool Photo. :up:

Springfield was part of the championship that year. I believe that some Champ cars ran that Ford configuration early in it's life.

New photo coming up.

[Phoenixent]

Drivers, Cars, Year, & Track

http://shutter13.pictures.aol.com/data/pictures/04/009/6F/BF/F0/36/EAMGIfsvoaa8KdDWh9-s-P8Cfd6pW0LI0190.jpg

[mlv]

#25 Danny Ongais Parnelli-Cosworth
#14 AJ Foyt Coyote-Foyt
#4 Johnny Rutherford McLaren-Cosworth
1978, could it be Texas ?

[Phoenixent]

#25 Danny Ongais Parnelli-Cosworth
#14 AJ Foyt Coyote-Foyt
#4 Johnny Rutherford McLaren-Cosworth
1978, could it be Texas ?

You are Correct. :up:

I knew the car and drivers would be easy. The track was the key.

Your turn.

[mlv]

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/3055/whozo3.th.jpg (http://img145.imageshack.us/my.php?image=whozo3.jpg)
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[teamsuperimu]

AJ Foyt
Surfers Paridise '92
Lola t900

[mlv]

Correct, it`s Foyt in Australia. The car was 2 years old Buddy Lazier`s backup Lola (still in Leader Cards colours) loaned to Walker Racing for Foyt who actually did not plan to race there but took some laps on thursday in a pace car which allowed him to start the race from the back of the pack. Transmission trouble ended his day on lap 2.Gregor Foitek drove Foyt`s own Copenhagen car at Surfers Paradise.
Your turn.

[O&A Virus]

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/3055/whozo3.th.jpg (http://img145.imageshack.us/my.php?image=whozo3.jpg)
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Very cool photo. I forgot he raced there.

[Chris R]

Yes, that was an awesome bit of racing history (and something I did not previously know)... Wouldn't it be cool if Jimmy Vasser (or insert any other retired driver who is still involved in the series) just decided he wanted to run a race at the last minute and just hopped in someone's car and drove???

politics has destroyed our sport......... :mad:

[teamsuperimu]

It so odd seeing AJ not in his 14. It just dosen't seem natural. You know the deal... Driver, race, car

[djarumdudley]

Chris Kneifel
1983
Primus-Cosworth
Riverside?

[teamsuperimu]

Chris Kneifel
1983
Primus-Cosworth
Riverside?


Bingo!!! It's Champcar exec and last 500 qualifier under 200 mph Kneifel. Your turn!

[djarumdudley]

try this one, usual info.

[BobGarage]

John Morton
Eagle - Chevy
1984
Long beach

[djarumdudley]

that didn't take long, correct!

[BobGarage]

next one then. the usual please.

[Phoenixent]

Driver- George Snider
Year- 1992
Car- Lola T91-Cosworth
Track- Michigan

[BobGarage]

indeed it is. your turn.

[pauli heinonen]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/57/ToyotaPrevia.jpg/800px-ToyotaPrevia.jpg

[pauli heinonen]

wat car is that?

[Phoenixent]

wat car is that?

Something that does not belong here.

[drewdawg727]

nice toyota...NOT

[Phoenixent]

Back to the subject of this thread.

Driver, Year, Car, & Track

http://shutter13.pictures.aol.com/data/pictures/01/004/7E/5F/0D/D3/tAZR6I2L7FL5JvzxF-f1jCAaZplPq8UG01C2.jpg

[Chris R]

1994 Indy
Brian Till
Lola-Ford

As for the offending photo - while totally out of place I cannot help but think it is a leaked spy photo of NASCAR's "car of the day after tomorrow" minus the rear wing.... either that or what NASCAR is going to make Toyota run in the truck series to equalize the competition............

[Phoenixent]

1994 Indy
Brian Till
Lola-Ford

As for the offending photo - while totally out of place I cannot help but think it is a leaked spy photo of NASCAR's "car of the day after tomorrow" minus the rear wing.... either that or what NASCAR is going to make Toyota run in the truck series to equalize the competition............

NASCAR's "car of the day after tomorrow" :laugh:

You are correct on Brian Till. :up:

Your Turn.

[Chris R]

ok, here isthe next one.

The usual please

[Alexamateo]

NASCAR's "car of the day after tomorrow" :laugh:



Well, convertibles were popular in the 50's so Nascar raced them, and we all know about the truck series, so it's just the next logical progression. The new NASCAR mini-van series. One special rule, no single drivers without kids! :D

[Alexamateo]

Mark Donohue
Eagle-Offy
Indy 1974

[Chris R]

The "NASCAR Graco mini-van series presented by Pampers".... :D

It could be a great platform for the development of better child restraint seats.....


Anyway, back to the picutre at hand.

Driver is right
car is right
year and track are wrong........

[Alexamateo]

The "NASCAR Graco mini-van series presented by Pampers".... :D

It could be a great platform for the development of better child restraint seats.....


Anyway, back to the picutre at hand.

Driver is right
car is right
year and track are wrong........

Then it's 1973 Pocono
I was trying to do it without looking it up, I got it half right.

So Chris, I know you've got 3 littleun's, What are you all driving? We've got a 2004 Chrysler Town & Country. And to think, I swore I'd never drive a mini-van. :dozey: Oh well, nothing like parenthood :D

[Chris R]

Our primary car is a 2003 Honda Odyssey which we just put an overhead DVD player in and are bitingthe bullet and putting on a trailer hitch so we can haul all of our bikes (my wife is too short to reach a roof rack...). Like you, I never imagined we'd drive a mini-van but it is pretty nice....

Having previously owned a couple of warmed over Mustangs and a Honda S2000 it bothers me a bit that I only aspire to a slightly nicer minivan for our next vehicle - but - hey - the kids are a blast..... :p

Oh, any you've got it - Donahue in 1973 at Pocono... In the original, slightly bigger picture you could tell it was the Pocono scoring tower.....

Your turn!!

[Phoenixent]

Oh, any you've got it - Donahue in 1973 at Pocono... In the original, slightly bigger picture you could tell it was the Pocono scoring tower.....

You guys are sad about the minivans. :)

Here a photo of the Penske Eagle restored back to original condition. The owner have replaced the rear wing with a 1973 spec wing after this photo was taken at Milwaukee. Hope you enjoy.

http://shutter06.pictures.aol.com/data/pictures/13/003/6F/CF/CA/DB/bDGwvBpxbFkH6Ze7j55v5vBkwCVEyy1n0300.jpg

[Chris R]

Great photo - is there an official historic series for AOWR??

[Alexamateo]

And on to the next one.....

Here's another way back machine.

The usual, please.

[Chris R]

Alberto Ascari
1952
Ferrari
not sure where - I guess Indy - but with that number it may be Europe when they announced plans to run at Indy.....

great photo!

[Alexamateo]

Alberto Ascari
1952
Ferrari
not sure where - I guess Indy - but with that number it may be Europe when they announced plans to run at Indy.....

great photo!

You got it. As far as I know it's Indy, going by the Pegasus symbol. Wasn't that a sponsor or something that used to be on all the cars? Does anyone know the significance of that?

[Chris R]

The Peagusus is/was part of the Mobil gas logo - I think it was both in Europe and the US...

It was neat how Indy was part of hte F1 championship in those days - can you imagine a modern Formula1 car running at Indy (on the oval)???

Anyway - here is the next

[Phoenixent]

Driver- Mark Donohue
Year- 1969
Car- Lola-Offy
Track- Brainerd

[Chris R]

Everything is right but the track.

How about that turbo setup? For sure it is not a high speed oval!! ;)

[Phoenixent]

Driver- Mark Donohue
Year- 1969
Car- Lola-Offy
Track- Indy

[Chris R]

well, it is IRP - same town - close enough.....

your turn!

[Chris R]

While we ar waiting for Phoenix here are some more of the Donahue photos I found on a tribute site:

[Chris R]

here is another from IRP - 1969 the last one was from Indy 1969...

[Phoenixent]

Sorry about the delay.

Great photos Chris. :up:

I thought that Penske ran a Chevy for IRP that crew had to be hustling to swap engine and re balance the car.

New photo coming up.

[Phoenixent]

Easy one for you guys. ;)

Driver, Year, Car, & Track

http://shutter09.pictures.aol.com/data/pictures/15/004/7C/FF/54/64/r1xOiARU5yr+IEu7LVqga41IySZFHW6f028A.jpg

[IMSAFAN1]

Ari....track looks like Watkins glen

[Phoenixent]

Ari....track looks like Watkins glen

Right Driver.

Keep Digging. :up:

[IMSAFAN1]

Ari...track is Road America....March Cosworth....mid 80's

[szautke]

Ah, the Dutchman's first Indy Car race, Road America, 1984. Arie Luyendyk,
March 84C-Cosworth Provimi Veal sponsor

[champcarray]

I love the old ESPN stickers on the wings. IMHO, Provimi Veal's later dark brown and gold (Lotus-like) color scheme was great.

[Hayden Fan]

A. Luyendyk
cosworth/Lola/Goodyear
road america
1988.

[IMSAFAN1]

ok here's one to work one

[Phoenixent]

Ari...track is Road America....March Cosworth....mid 80's

You are Correct. :up:

szautke had the most info but IMSAFAN1 was first with the required info.

Your Turn IMSAFAN1

[IMSAFAN1]

ok here's one......

[my63gs]

Zanardi testing a Mo Nunn Reynard in 2000?

[BobGarage]

luiz garcia jr
reynard - mercedes
2000
belle isle?

[IMSAFAN1]

correct Bob...your turn

[BobGarage]

Next one.... I have had to slightly edit the photo as the drivers name was easy to see on the side, so I have removed it. I have not altered anything else in the photo though.

driver, car, track, year please....

[szautke]

Canadian John Jones in the Labatt's Protofab Lola, 1989. The hard part is the track. I'll say Laguna Seca (?)

[BobGarage]

all right except the track.

[Chris R]

this is off topic - but jsut wanted to say, I just checkout the Ferrari/Shell ad that autoracing1.com has a link to nad it is AWESOME!!!

Since so much of this thread is about the rich history of our sport I thought you might find it interesting... If you do not get AR1 - here is the link on youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0jrPrjW3Oc

[djarumdudley]

this is off topic - but jsut wanted to say, I just checkout the Ferrari/Shell ad that autoracing1.com has a link to nad it is AWESOME!!!

Since so much of this thread is about the rich history of our sport I thought you might find it interesting... If you do not get AR1 - here is the link on youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0jrPrjW3Oc

great stuff, though a Villeneuve era Ferrari would have been a nice touch.

[Hayden Fan]

Canadian John Jones in the Labatt's Protofab Lola, 1989. The hard part is the track. I'll say Laguna Seca (?)

That is laguna.

[BobGarage]

No! its not laguna. its a street course!

[drewdawg727]

Long Beach

[BobGarage]

nope

[Hayden Fan]

Belle Isle? Labats car so maybe Vancouver?

[BobGarage]

belle isle is close.... its the original Detroit course.

I suppose szautke should go next, since he ot 3 out of 4.

[Hayden Fan]

I wanted to go. I have the car and everything.

[szautke]

Let downshift a gear...here were go...slight change.

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i100/szautke/cover8.jpg

[Hayden Fan]

Patrick Carpentier, Long Beach, 1996 Ralt

[szautke]

Wrong, correct, wrong, wrong.

[Hayden Fan]

swift, David Epringham, 1997? If this is wrong then i give up. Don't know of many references to find out about drivers and cars. CC doens't give very much info past like 2001.

[szautke]

Thats what makes this fun. Not Mr. Empringham. Not 1997. Keep trying.

[BobGarage]

Didier Andre
PacWest Racing
Indy Lights Lola/Buick
1999
Long Beach
???

[Hayden Fan]

I was only like 8 if bob is right.

[szautke]

Didier Andre
PacWest Racing
Indy Lights Lola/Buick
1999
Long Beach
???

Bob you are really really close, I wont say what, it's still early. :D

[BobGarage]

1998 then?

[BobGarage]

or 2000 with Tony Renna in the car?

[iks]

Didier Andre
PacWest Racing
Indy Lights Lola/Buick
1999
Long Beach
???

1997

[Phoenixent]

1998 then?

You are right on Target. :up:

[szautke]

Look's like it's Bob's turn...
it was Didier Andre in the PacWest Indy Lights car at LB in '98.

Next...

[BobGarage]

I'm not round much for a day or two so i have said to hayden fan that he can have my go, since he has a photo lined up.

[szautke]

I'm not round much for a day or two so i have said to hayden fan that he can have my go, since he has a photo lined up.

I second that...Hayden Fan you're up.

[Hayden Fan]

Okay here you go
Driver
Track
Car
Year

[drewdawg727]

Robby Gordon
1998
Michigan
Reynard

[Hayden Fan]

Bingo! Your next drewdawg

[szautke]

Can we pick up the pace here, we got a good thing going. :bounce:

[drewdawg727]

Sorry everyone!

Ok...here is the next picture:

[drewdawg727]

Driver, Year, Car, Track

[djarumdudley]

Michel Jourdain Jr
2004
Lola-Ford Cosworth
Laguna Seca?

[Hayden Fan]

Jourdain Jnr.
2003
Lola-Cosworth
Laguna.

dj, you are close but no cigar.

[drewdawg727]

Hayden's right! your turn.

[Hayden Fan]

You know the drill.

[Phoenixent]

Driver-Dario Franchitti
Year-2001
Car- Reynard 01I-Honda
Track-Mid-Ohio

[Hayden Fan]

Your up. I make them too easy.

[Phoenixent]

Your up. I make them too easy.

Nice photo. :up:

Color of the numbers and sidepods gave it away. Could have been any year for that team until they switched ot Lola's.

Hope you like the next pic.

[Phoenixent]

Driver, Year, Car, & Track

http://shutter07.pictures.aol.com/data/pictures/05/005/3F/B6/66/6F/dqMH7bx52u7gRv+Q0yqgx37dFmIw859F01CE.jpg

[Hayden Fan]

Adrian Fernandez
Long Beach
Reynard Ford
1999

[Phoenixent]

Adrian Fernandez
Long Beach
Reynard Ford
1999

Right Driver,Year and Track.

Wrong Car.

[IMSAFAN1]

lola-ford..fernandez...long beach....1999

[Phoenixent]

lola-ford..fernandez...long beach....1999

Right Driver,Year and Track.

Wrong Car.

[Chris R]

Well, by elimination it must be a Swift - although Champcarstats says it was a Reynard, Patrick was running Swifts that year also...

[Phoenixent]

Well, by elimination it must be a Swift - although Champcarstats says it was a Reynard, Patrick was running Swifts that year also...

You are Correct Chris. :up:

The photo is during practice at Long Beach. Adrian Fernandez did not like the Swift at all so Patrick ran year old Reynard for him until a new Reynard arrived. The #20 car switch back and forth on there car for the rest of the year. Now you now the rest of the story.

Your Turn.

[Chris R]

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l91/cbruske/kraco.jpg

the usual please...

[Alexamateo]

Michael Andretti
1988
March
Laguna Seca

[Chris R]

right track
wrong car
wrong year
wrong driver....

[Alexamateo]

Bobby Rahal
1989
Lola

[Chris R]

you got it!

your turn

[Alexamateo]

An easy one, but who says they all have to be hard!

both cars please! :)

[tanders]

Mears chasing down Johncock during the final laps, but falls short. 1982 I think.

[Alexamateo]

Correct drivers and Year

Track? Although I am sure you know it.
Cars?

[szautke]

We can't do better than this? Lets crank it up a tad.

Rick Mears #1 Gould Charge Penske PC-10-Cosworth chasing cagey veteran Gordon Johncock #20 STP-Intermedics Patrick Racing WIldcat VIIIB-Cosworth at the Indianapolis Motor Speedway, May 30, 1982.