M-Sport Ford World Rally Teams

[Eli]

Do you like Castrol liveries? ;)Are we in for some nostalgia?

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[Andre Oliveira]

Crystal ball :)

[ToughMac]

Martini would be nicer, Castrol belongs on a Toyota!

[Eli]

Martini would be nicer, Castrol belongs on a Toyota!Took the words right out of my mouth.

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[Andre Oliveira]

Toyota have Microsoft :) don't need more money ;)

[ToughMac]

Who said anything about money.....!

[AnttiL]

What if, I repeat, what if, Ogier decides to retire and stay at home in any case, would Ford return if they don't get a championship winning driver? I mean, Evans and Suninen have potential, but not yet for a championship title.

[Andre Oliveira]

That is a non question. Ogier will stay.

[pantealex]

Martini would be nicer, Castrol belongs on a Toyota!

and Martini belongs to Lancia.

But I accept every stickers if it helps them continuing in WRC.

[AnttiL]

That is a non question. Ogier will stay.

There's just rumors :hot:

[Andre Oliveira]

For us, rumours. For who really need know, no ;)

[Rally Power]

There's just rumors :hot:

Not a rumour AL, he clearly mentioned on the LePoint (and others) interview: he loves to be with his kid but it's too earlier to retire from WRC.



http://www.lepoint.fr/sport/ogier-tant-qu-il-y-a-du-plaisir-on-a-envie-de-continuer-en-wrc-06-11-2017-2170211_26.php (http://www.lepoint.fr/sport/ogier-tant-qu-il-y-a-du-plaisir-on-a-envie-de-continuer-en-wrc-06-11-2017-2170211_26.php)

[Mintexmemory]

There's just rumors :hot:

Yes Ogier will retire - In November 2022 when his project is finished. ;)

[Fast Eddie WRC]

:champion:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DOHjbbLUMAA7RHQ.jpg:large

[dimviii]

Yes Ogier will retire - In November 2022 when his project is finished. ;)

difficult project

[Mintexmemory]

difficult project

Indeed! But now it's 50% complete - which many people, in 2012, doubted would get this far.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

If he continues, the Champ is staying with M-Sport. :)

https://www.lequipe.fr/Rallye/Actual...citroen/850920

[noel157]

Same

http://www.autohebdo.fr/wrc/actualites/ogier-m-sport-ou-rien-en-2018-190001.html

[Rally Power]

Come on Ford, give a push to MSport!

[Norm75]

Martini would be nicer, Castrol belongs on a Toyota!
Hannu Mikkola, mk2 escort, 1978. Bit earlier than toyotas of mid to late 90's ;)

[focus206]

Hannu Mikkola, mk2 escort, 1978. Bit earlier than toyotas of mid to late 90's ;)

But this is Ove Andersson in a works Corolla in 1974 ;)
http://www.oldclassiccar.co.uk/photos-rallycars/8.jpg
Then again, probably there were some Castrol Escort prior to 1974 :D

[macebig]

There are... Not only Escorts...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

A fantastic evening for us yesterday as we picked up two awards at the Professional MotorSport World Expo Awards.

Fighting off stiff competition, the Ford Fiesta WRC won the Race Car of the Year award, and our very own Chris Williams was named Engineer of the Year. https://t.co/yTMmNGeeWZ

[car]

A fantastic evening for us yesterday as we picked up two awards at the Professional MotorSport World Expo Awards.

Fighting off stiff competition, the Ford Fiesta WRC won the Race Car of the Year award, and our very own Chris Williams was named Engineer of the Year. https://t.co/yTMmNGeeWZ

Do you work for M-Sport Fast Eddie?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Do you work for M-Sport Fast Eddie?

No, my quote from Twitter didnt pick up the @M-Sport bit... :s

[car]

No, my quote from Twitter didnt pick up the @M-Sport bit... :s

fair enough either way Eddie... good to see them getting all your support!

[AnttiL]

No, my quote from Twitter didnt pick up the @M-Sport bit... :s

That's why the forum has a quote tag :)

[Fast Eddie WRC]

That's why the forum has a quote tag :)

For quoting other forum posts, not tweets.

[AnttiL]

For quoting other forum posts, not tweets.

I disagree, but at least use "" characters and post a link to the source.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

post a link to the source.

No-one uses "quotes" for tweets here.
And I did post the source.

[AnttiL]

No-one uses "quotes" for tweets here.
And I did post the source.

I know that people just copy paste stuff here, but I'm saying I'd love to see "" signs or the quote tag used on text which isn't their own material. But it may be just me.

And yeah, sorry, you did post the link like everyone should :)

[Fast Eddie WRC]

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Charity-Auction-to-Join-M-Sport-World-Rally-Team-Winning-Celebrations/322887217180?hash=item4b2d93f01c:g:G6AAAOSwAHtaDcZ s

Anyone had a bid yet?

I should get a free invite the years I've been supporting when they won nothing ! ;)

[Fast Eddie WRC]

"Having won the triple crown of drivers', co-drivers' and manufacturers' titles on home soil at last month’s Dayinsure Wales Rally GB, the team travel to the final round with the aim of getting at least one of its drivers on the podium.

Doing so will add to the top-three finishes it has scored on every round so far this year, making it the only manufacturer to complete this feat three times – the previous clean-sweeps coming in 2009 and 2012."

http://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/news/november/msport-podium/page/5010--12-12-.html

[NickRally]

The performance of the Fiesta reminds me of the 2009 Brown F1 - the team started strongly the season after the big technical regulation changes, but despite winning the title, were massively outdeveloped towards the end of the year by some of the other teams and were way behind the following year. For the sake of the WRC, I really hope this does not happen to M-Sport.

[Simmi]

The performance of the Fiesta reminds me of the 2009 Brown F1 - the team started strongly the season after the big technical regulation changes, but despite winning the title, were massively outdeveloped towards the end of the year by some of the other teams and were way behind the following year. For the sake of the WRC, I really hope this does not happen to M-Sport.

What happens next year remains to be seen. But it's hard to make the argument they've struggled at all this year. Podium on every round etc. The Brawn team were basically on their knees at the end of that season and narrowly held on.

I think since the Monte the Neuville/Hyundai combination has been the quickest in the championship. That's borne out in the stage win totals. M-Sport did more with less when they built the new Fiesta. So I'm hopeful if they can get a bit of development resource then they will still be in the fight.

[NickRally]

What happens next year remains to be seen. But it's hard to make the argument they've struggled at all this year. Podium on every round etc. The Brawn team were basically on their knees at the end of that season and narrowly held on.

I think since the Monte the Neuville/Hyundai combination has been the quickest in the championship. That's borne out in the stage win totals. M-Sport did more with less when they built the new Fiesta. So I'm hopeful if they can get a bit of development resource then they will still be in the fight.

Fair point, I just have the feeling the gap to the Hyundais on pure pace, widened in the last couple of rounds.

[EstWRC]

Fair point, I just have the feeling the gap to the Hyundais on pure pace, widened in the last couple of rounds.

Agreed. And I think you summed it up perfectly in your previous post . Like someone said in the other thread that they didn’t have any updates basically since sardegna.

[Simmi]

Do we know what updates Hyundai were able to bring in during the second half of the year? I think there was some new rear aero on Thierry's car. Did they have anything else?

[Barreis]

M-Sport without Ogier wouldn't be the same team. Hyundai is obviously quickest but sometimes not. why is that?! only technicians know. Tanak sometimes quicker then 5 times world champ. he progressed a lot with Ogier

[BigWorm]

The performance of the Fiesta reminds me of the 2009 Brown F1 - the team started strongly the season after the big technical regulation changes, but despite winning the title, were massively outdeveloped towards the end of the year by some of the other teams and were way behind the following year. For the sake of the WRC, I really hope this does not happen to M-Sport.

Well, Brawn was instantly bought by Mercedes and look where they are now, absolutely dominating F1 for four years now. Let’s say Ford invests in M-Sport and they’ll dominate by 2021. ;)

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Compared to MSport, Citroen had a full extra year to develop the C3. Plus the factory resources. Didnt help them much did it...

[ESTR]

Well, Brawn was instantly bought by Mercedes and look where they are now, absolutely dominating F1 for four years now. Let’s say Ford invests in M-Sport and they’ll dominate by 2021. ;)

And why anyone wants dominace?? I stop watching World RX this year because of VW. Sure is great but it's NOT interesting if you know who will win... This year was great and I hope that it will continue, and that battle will go donw to last round maybe one or two driver more in the game and we will all bite our nails to the end. That's what I call exciting, not some team who beat everyone everytime and looks like that there is no competition.

[BigWorm]

And why anyone wants dominace?? I stop watching World RX this year because of VW. Sure is great but it's NOT interesting if you know who will win... This year was great and I hope that it will continue, and that battle will go donw to last round maybe one or two driver more in the game and we will all bite our nails to the end. That's what I call exciting, not some team who beat everyone everytime and looks like that there is no competition.

Fans may not want dominance, but the team's are here for business. One way or the other. Don't you think M-Sport want to be as successful as possible?

[greencroft]

The performance of the Fiesta reminds me of the 2009 Brown F1 - the team started strongly the season after the big technical regulation changes, but despite winning the title, were massively outdeveloped towards the end of the year by some of the other teams and were way behind the following year. For the sake of the WRC, I really hope this does not happen to M-Sport.

I get what you mean but don't think it is a valid analogy in this context. Brawn had a single massive first mover advantage over the rest of the F1 field with their stepped rear diffusor, giving their car a huge grip advantage in the early part of the year. You are right that they only just held on in the latter part of the season as the other better funded teams brought on many developments, including their own versions of the diffusor. But the Fiesta at the beginning of 2017 did not have a single big tech advantage. I would go as far as to say it was never the fastest car at any of the events per se. The advantages it had were firstly Ogier, secondly it seemed to work to a reasonable standard over a wider range of conditions than the others and finally and possibly most importantly, it was more reliable than the others (both mechanically and through the drivers getting it to the finish).

I don't however disagree that the Hyundai has upped its pace in the latter part of the season and without further development the Fiesta will struggle to match it in 2018, even with Ogier on board.

As an aside, I still have high hopes that the benefit of Toyota's first year will be seen in 2018, especially with Tanak in there now as well.

Meanwhile, I share the scepticism of others as to Citroen's chances next year. The only thing they seem to be good at is shooting themselves in the foot!

[Andre Oliveira]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DPOgp6IX0Achr8b?format=jpg&name=large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DPOrkUEWAAAOkC-?format=jpg&name=medium

[Fast Eddie WRC]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DPO4AA-WsAA2Cys.jpg

Which rally or national championship is still allowing WRC cars, and especially 2017 ones ?

[MartijnS]

Prague Rallysprint.
Great looking car!

[Oliverk]

Which rally or national championship is still allowing WRC cars, and especially 2017 ones ?

Estonian. Latvian?

[Mirek]

As Martijn wrote, it's for Prague Rallysprint which is Czech show event held in the streets of Prague this Saturday.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

They still allow WRC cars to run in Irish events but only R5's can score in the ITC.

[pantealex]

Which rally or national championship is still allowing WRC cars, and especially 2017 ones ?

Finland you can drive with WRC17 but not score championship points. (WRC before 2002 allowed to points)

[focus206]

Which rally or national championship is still allowing WRC cars, and especially 2017 ones ?

That I know, WRC cars are allowed in national championships of France, Belgium, Austria, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Estonia, Sweden, in Finland only late 90s-early 00s ones I think. Not sure about Netherlands, Lithuania and Latvia. Theoretically even Canada, I believe. I wouldn't know about the 2017 ones though.

[Mirek]

Czech Republic only locally registered WRC cars with the date of registration before 01-01-2016 and only cars with first homologation before 01-01-2007. In that time they basically only allowed all WRC cars locally present in the country to take part in the championship but that's all. You can't bring any other car (even old one). IMHO the rule is total garbage but it's still valid (I don't know how it's going to be in 2018).

[dupanton]

In Belgium you can drive a 2.0l WRC if you haven't won a national rally in the last 3 years. 1.6l WRC can only be run in RRC configuration.
You can run any WRC in a regional rally.

[Andre Oliveira]

Mirek touch the main thing! How will be in 2018.

[Mirek]

I don't expect national ASNs to start allowing the new WRC cars.

[Andre Oliveira]

Can’t score or can’t start it is different.

[Mirek]

Hmm, we have no such difference here. What can start can score. It used to be like that for ages.

Gallery from Dohnal's test: https://www.ewrc.cz/foto/45377-test-dohnal-fiesta-wrc-17-2017/16/

https://www.ewrc.cz/images/2017/photos/test_dohnal_fiesta_wrc_17_2017/mf_img_4337.jpg

[Tarmop]

Is he renting it or planning to buy it/bought it?

[Mirek]

Renting for this show event only. The car is not allowed in championship events in CZ and won't be in the near future. He has two Focus WRC 08 (in very good condition) and that's already the best allowed.

[Munkvy]

Renting for this show event only. The car is not allowed in championship events in CZ and won't be in the near future. He has two Focus WRC 08 (in very good condition) and that's already the best allowed.

Still pretty cool that you get to see it on tarmac in your own country! Would love to see the cars in tarmac trim, but just didn't have the time to make it to Europe this year. Is he likely to be competitive in it? Sorry, not familiar with how competitive he is?

[Mirek]

For sure he can win the event (he has won two Czech championships events overall so far, one in 2016 and one in 2017). Pech is not there due to back injury and Škoda Motorsport traditionally ignores show events so that the fastest drivers are missing. Usually the crews compete until their first mistake and afterwarwards they continue just show. I will post some videos later in the Czech news section.

[Andre Oliveira]

Rajd Barborka

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DPTyIYxWsAA89qu?format=jpg&name=large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DPTyIY4X4AA2q1k?format=jpg&name=large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DPTyIYxX4AEDolb?format=jpg&name=large

[AnttiL]

Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy?

http://kajto.pl/en/news/kajetanowicz-and-baran-in-a-championship-winning-wrc-car/

[EstWRC]

great livery IMO.

[MartijnS]

Yes, perfect.

[Kaps]

Reminds me a bit of Esso-Grifone Lancias from late 80's/early 90's

[Andre Oliveira]

Quinn optimistic of positive outcome

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/other-sports/motorsport-quinn-optimistic-of-positive-outcome-on-ogier-signing-463379.html

[Alex009]

Quinn optimistic of positive outcome

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/other-sports/motorsport-quinn-optimistic-of-positive-outcome-on-ogier-signing-463379.html

So Ford will be there, because Quinn is involved.

[EstWRC]

well, they have been always there...

[ESTR]

then what. If they really back up M-Sport and Ogier stays for another year and in 2019 when there will be available at least 12 seats across four teams and he decide to go away? Will Ford shut down programme?

[rallyfiend]

So Ford will be there, because Quinn is involved.

He's the clown that was there when they decided to leave. So he clearly didn't do a good enough job last time.

I think the WRC world would be better if he wasn't involved.

[bf1_IRL]

He's the clown that was there when they decided to leave. So he clearly didn't do a good enough job last time.

I think the WRC world would be better if he wasn't involved.

Did you even read the article?....

[Andre Oliveira]

It is innocent use that pic?

http://www.irishexaminer.com/remote/media.central.ie/media/images/r/RallyCarGenericDec15_large.jpg?width=648&s=ie-463379

[Fast Eddie WRC]

I really cant see why it's taking sooooo long. Ford must surely know whether they want to come back and the finances that are involved. Especially after the decision to end Block's RX participation.

Is Ogier really pushing for so much money that Ford cant agree to it ??

[Andre Oliveira]

Ford was busy, first WEC, then NASCAR... marketing obliges. Let's wait.

Btw, Autosport.pt wrote that maybe the wait is about Ingrassia substitute...

[mArvAlcao17]

Ford was busy, first WEC, then NASCAR... marketing obliges. Let's wait.

Btw, Autosport.pt wrote that maybe the wait is about Ingrassia substitute...

yeah, wait until 2019 when Ford GT racing program ended

[Mirek]

I really cant see why it's taking sooooo long.

As an employee of another gigantic global company I would say that everything takes waaaaay too long in such companies...

[AnttiL]

Btw, Autosport.pt wrote that maybe the wait is about Ingrassia substitute...

Who could it realistically be? Veillas?

[Andre Oliveira]

Or Gilles de Turckeim

[Andre Oliveira]

Seb Roadshow in Gap 5/12

https://www.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1717210274990290&id=181412151903451&refsrc=http%3A%2F%2Ft.co%2Fi5LjALVBNN&_rdr

[the sniper]

Quinn optimistic of positive outcome

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/other-sports/motorsport-quinn-optimistic-of-positive-outcome-on-ogier-signing-463379.html

From Quinn: "My role was critical in building a compelling business case for Ford to increase its investment and to fully fund the development of the all new Fiesta WRC17."

Ford's financial contribution to and relationship with M-Sport in recent years can't have been as insignificant as some have made out if they really did "fully fund" the development of the new car. That must have been a fair chunk of cash if true.

[ESTR]

From Quinn: "My role was critical in building a compelling business case for Ford to increase its investment and to fully fund the development of the all new Fiesta WRC17."

Ford's financial contribution to and relationship with M-Sport in recent years can't have been as insignificant as some have made out if they really did "fully fund" the development of the new car. That must have been a fair chunk of cash if true.

Now they have big mouth like they are deserved for this, but when comes to money they don't want to even hear anything at all.

[Alex009]

From Quinn: "My role was critical in building a compelling business case for Ford to increase its investment and to fully fund the development of the all new Fiesta WRC17."

Ford's financial contribution to and relationship with M-Sport in recent years can't have been as insignificant as some have made out if they really did "fully fund" the development of the new car. That must have been a fair chunk of cash if true.

Disgusting to take credit now when M-Sport have won everything in this season without Ford.

[Barreis]

Disgusting to take credit now when M-Sport have won everything in this season without Ford.

they would win 'nothing' without Ogier

[GravelBen]

Disgusting to take credit now when M-Sport have won everything in this season without Ford.

If Ford did fund the development of the car then M-Sport have won nothing this season without Ford.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

OK then why the hell did Ford not come back officially if they were 'fully-funding' the 2017 car ? I think fully-funding is a big statement and we need more confirmation.

MW has always said how M-Sport designed and built the car and never gave any indication that Ford provided anything but the bare shells and some technical assistance.

[ESTR]

Ford probably didn't even donour the cars either. It's like in big companies when some engineer solve some issue and then leaders brag about their work how they are solve anything...

[Andre Oliveira]

How M-Sport had new Fiesta shape? Who paid the entry fee to WRC manufacters?

Ok, less than we like, but Ford support exists. And i remember, even before VW pulls out, 2018 as rumoured date to Ford comeback.

[focus206]

M-Sport did a great job this year, but there has always been support from Ford. I know it sounds even a bigger achievement saying "a completely private team with no factory support whatsoever beat 3 giant manufacturers" but once one takes the fanboy blindfold off, the reality is different.

[Andre Oliveira]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hDImdG3MXM

https://www.ewrc.cz/images/2017/photos/test_dohnal_fiesta_wrc_17_2017/mf_img_4273.jpg
https://www.ewrc.cz/images/2017/photos/test_dohnal_fiesta_wrc_17_2017/hus_mh5_5960-2.jpg
https://www.ewrc.cz/images/2017/photos/test_dohnal_fiesta_wrc_17_2017/mf_img_4223.jpg

[Andre Oliveira]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DPkYTveXUAAfGFR?format=jpg&name=medium

Hummm

[ESTR]

How M-Sport had new Fiesta shape? Who paid the entry fee to WRC manufacters?

Ok, less than we like, but Ford support exists. And i remember, even before VW pulls out, 2018 as rumoured date to Ford comeback.

They are allowed to be competing because they build their car by themself. If another private team do this I don't know maybe build some polos or some other with donour cars they would also be like works' team. I will never give credit to the Ford for 2017 effort, because they didn't gave anything except their brag now. I think that technical support Malcolm doesn't need because he is in sport long enough to have more experience than any of Ford Perfomance guy now. He is only focused on Fords because he is in there all of his life. But he could easily get another way and choose any brand he wants. What he needs is money not some free tehnical advice (probably already know almost all)...

[RAS007]

They are allowed to be competing because they build their car by themself. If another private team do this I don't know maybe build some polos or some other with donour cars they would also be like works' team. I will never give credit to the Ford for 2017 effort, because they didn't gave anything except their brag now. I think that technical support Malcolm doesn't need because he is in sport long enough to have more experience than any of Ford Perfomance guy now. He is only focused on Fords because he is in there all of his life. But he could easily get another way and choose any brand he wants. What he needs is money not some free tehnical advice (probably already know almost all)...

Oh dear.

[Andre Oliveira]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DPkYTveXUAAfGFR?format=jpg&name=medium

Hummm

Rear shapes identical to Mikkola’s car

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DPkgX3JWAAAqQnA?format=jpg&name=900x900

[Barreis]

They are allowed to be competing because they build their car by themself. If another private team do this I don't know maybe build some polos or some other with donour cars they would also be like works' team. I will never give credit to the Ford for 2017 effort, because they didn't gave anything except their brag now. I think that technical support Malcolm doesn't need because he is in sport long enough to have more experience than any of Ford Perfomance guy now. He is only focused on Fords because he is in there all of his life. But he could easily get another way and choose any brand he wants. What he needs is money not some free tehnical advice (probably already know almost all)...

somebody has to homologate the car, parts, tokens, etc. i guess Ford has to do the paperwork.

[Mirek]

Since there was a lot of discussion here about the start of Dohnal in Prague with Fiesta WRC 17 I put a link to the video from the event also here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-gkbFIGWQg

It's a show celebrating the end of season in the city streets (and one classic stage on the outskirts at the beginning) therefore nothing for N.O.T. but otherwise tons of drifts (even very high speed ones) and some broken wheels. Just for your information the city "mickey mouse" circuit has average speed nearly 100 km/h! It's way faster than Zlín city stage from Barum.

[Simmi]

Awesome show! Puts some of the horrible WRC SSS/city stages (hello Saarbrucken!) to shame.

[jonkka]

somebody has to homologate the car, parts, tokens, etc. i guess Ford has to do the paperwork.

At least they have to sign and submit it because FIA doesn't accept it from anyone else but a manufacturer.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

One line from Mr Quinn and some suddenly think everything M-Sport has achieved is discredited.

Are people really so jealous of this teams success after all these years..

[Rally Power]

One line from Mr Quinn and some suddenly think everything M-Sport has achieved is discredited.

Probably, no one is trying to dicreditate MSport, Eddie. Quinn’s revelations are surprising as everybody thought Ford support didn’t involved cash, only tech assistance. Still, if a wider support already exits, it makes sense to ask, like you did, why Ford’s name hasn’t been used in the manus WRC entry.

Btw, for stats purposes, unless FIA considers a retroactive correction, Ford still has only 3 titles (79,06,07), as MSport manu entry makes it this year champ. https://www.fia.com/events/world-rally-championship/season-2017/standings

[Andre Oliveira]

According some Twitter’s, today is the day

[ESTR]

According some Twitter’s, today is the day

He will say that his decision is 99,9999% made but will reveal it soon maybe in the week when entry for Monte closes.

[AnttiL]

He will say that his decision is 99,9999% made but will reveal it soon maybe in the week when entry for Monte closes.

I think Monte was just mentioned as a joke. If he would delay his announcement long enough, we would soon find out his decision from the Monte entry list.

[EstWRC]

Tänak in his blog today: "It looks like M-sport will have a very strong line-up again next year and they are definitely the "team to beat" .

[Andre Oliveira]

http://www.marca.com/motor/rallies/2017/11/28/5a1d7d97e2704ee7678b4638.html

[Fast Eddie WRC]

"The Spanish newspaper Marca reported today that Sébastien Ogier will not leave the WRC, despite his wife having asked him to finish his career and focus on the family, deciding that the Frenchman will continue for at least another year with M-Sport.

For Ogier's continuation in the WRC, Ford's support was needed, and Ford's support was obtained through Ford Europe, the same newspaper reported. To join this entry of the American brand, will continue the support of Red Bull. Also important was Malcolm Wilson's assurance that there will be an update package for the Fiesta WRC, which will make the car even better.

The official announcement should not be long, and Ogier's continuity in M-Sport / Ford for 2018 is almost certain."

[Andre Oliveira]

FINALLY

http://www.m-sport.co.uk/m-sport-news/fiesta-rs-wrc/ogier-and-evans-to-lead-m-sport-in-2018

[mknight]

Lol:
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[focus206]

Yes, great news! Ogier and Evans in the "main" M-Sport team in 2018! Saw it on M-Sport's twitter, but the link to their website gives an error, any word on Ford involvement?
Anyway, another exciting season ahead!

[Andre Oliveira]

No word on Ford involvement

[Simmi]

Can't find any reference to Ford Europe or Ford Performance in any of the PR. Only person I've seen mention Ford Performance is Colin Clark in a tweet. Wouldn't be the first time he's jumped the gun though.

[Francis44]

No word on Ford Performance backing but they've retweeted the M-Sport announcement almost as soon as the news dropped.

[dimviii]

nice news,so except Citroen,all teams still with strong driver line up.
Roll on 2018 cant wait.

[Andre Oliveira]

M-Sport are delighted to confirm that Sébastien Ogier and Elfyn Evans will continue their commitment to the team throughout the 2018 FIA World Rally Championship – leading the Cumbrian squad alongside their respective co-drivers Julien Ingrassia and Daniel Barritt.

With the five-time World Champion, and one of the sport’s most exciting up-and-coming talents, M-Sport are well-placed to defend their title in what is sure to be another exciting and closely-fought battle next year.

With both crews having good knowledge of the EcoBoost-powered Ford Fiesta WRC, development can continue at pace – Ogier and Evans both determined to add to M-Sport’s repertoire of podiums, wins and championships in the year to come.

Negotiations with both crews have been on-going for some months and, during a team celebration at Dovenby Hall earlier today, Ogier spontaneously took the lead – he and Evans putting pen to paper there and then in front of M-Sport’s 240-strong workforce.

With Ogier and Evans, the team have a strong chance of preserving the huge success they had gathered to celebrate. Both crews have speed in abundance, but it’s their masterful understanding of strategy which could combine to produce the perfect recipe for M-Sport’s championship defence.

News on a third Ford Fiesta WRC is expected to be announced in the coming weeks.

Team Principal, Malcolm Wilson OBE, said:

“To have secured both Sébastien and Elfyn is brilliant news for the team. We’ve been working towards this goal for some time, so to finally have it confirmed is fantastic and means that we can now focus our attention on the continued development ahead of next season.

“In Sébastien and Elfyn, we have a strong chance of defending our titles. It won’t be easy. Our rivals certainly won’t have sat still and I’m expecting an even closer battle for the championship, but with these two crews we have a good chance. They’re both very intelligent drivers. There is no doubting their speed, but they also have a masterful approach to strategy that delivers results time after time.

“There’s no reason why we shouldn’t be confident of adding to our success next year and – seeing the reaction of the team this afternoon – I know that everyone will continue to give 110 percent.”

Sébastien Ogier said:

“It’s great to finally announce our plans for 2018. What we have achieved together has been truly amazing, and we want to see that continue – to continue this fantastic journey and to defend all that we have achieved together.

“This season has been very exciting with some of the closest-fought competition for years. As a driver, I definitely want to be a part of that. I still get a lot of emotion from this sport, and this team has so much passion. That made my decision clear, and we will work hard to chase more success together next year.”

Elfyn Evans said:

“After a fantastic season for the whole team, it’s great that we’ll be a part of it again next year. After getting that first victory under our belts, we’re ready to take the next step and I think we all have another exciting season ahead of us.

“Honestly, I can’t wait to get back behind the wheel and Rallye Monte-Carlo can’t come soon enough. We’ll be working hard over the Christmas break to ensure we’re fully prepared, and the goal will be to build on the success of this year.”

[Simmi]

I know Ogier and Elfyn don't have the same level of Red Bull backing, but I wonder whether we could see two Red Bull liveried cars next year?

[dimviii]

https://www.motorsport-news.co.uk/news/rallying-news/wrc/exclusive-sebastien-ogier-qa/

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Never in doubt ! ;)

[Andre Oliveira]

https://scontent.fopo2-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/24174177_1941817522514332_3106802092368207051_n.jp g?oh=e1ff412150e1479b76be688429b24cb7&oe=5A98DF9D

[Fast Eddie WRC]

https://www.autosport.com/wrc/news/133333/ogier-opts-to-stay-with-msport-for-2018

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/935597464081616897/7hxOUnXv?format=jpg&name=600x314

[Mintexmemory]

No surprise that -
At home with the Ogiers " Seb, Je te voudrai retirer"
"Non, cinque encore!!"

[eib1]

FINALLY

http://www.m-sport.co.uk/m-sport-news/fiesta-rs-wrc/ogier-and-evans-to-lead-m-sport-in-2018

http://www.rallifoorum.ee/foorum/download/file.php?id=449:small

[Simmi]

Quite a few people seeming to assume that M-Sport using a #FordPerformance hashtag in their tweet means Ford are officially back.

Unfortunately they've been using it for years: https://twitter.com/search?q=%23FordPerformance%20%40MSportLtd&src=typd


Okay a separate announcement is still a possibility, but I don't see if the deal was done why they wouldn't do it now? Equally Ford Performance don't have any kind of Fiesta in their range. Ford Europe makes more sense.

[AndyRAC]

Good news, but not great news. I had a visit to the Ford Performance/ Ford UK/ Ford Europe Twitter pages, and nothing.......Maybe Ford have put a bit more ££$$ M-Sport's way, but still not officially; which I find disappointing, if that is the case.

[EstWRC]

about Ford Ogier says this

"I cannot tell you the details, or how it will happen exactly, but I feel it is coming that we have more support from Ford for next year.”

interview here https://www.motorsport-news.co.uk/news/rallying-news/wrc/exclusive-sebastien-ogier-qa/


that is great news that he will continue! im more interested how will Evans perform against him!

2018 will be even better than this year!

[itix]

Now we're only waiting for Ford to come with a bag of money so they can afford development. It would be the only fair thing. If that doesn't happen and I was Malcolm, I would find someone (as in a manufacturer) who paid for my services.

[AndyRAC]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdBQXdjhIqc

Well Colin Clark seems certain that Ford are coming onboard; not just Europe, but the US Ford Performance arm....

[Eli]

Yes!!!!! Haven't been here for 24 hours and I hear this, fantastic news!!!!!!! With or without Ford, I really do hope M-Sport will continue their success from this year. Great to hear the champ is gunning for his 6th straight world title.

[Andre Oliveira]

https://scontent.fopo2-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/24174431_1941857019177049_1699331752324274575_n.jp g?oh=eb90e894e0e62bcc0b14a5df73d9ca73&oe=5A8F3747

[Fast Eddie WRC]

https://scontent.fopo2-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/24174431_1941857019177049_1699331752324274575_n.jp g?oh=eb90e894e0e62bcc0b14a5df73d9ca73&oe=5A8F3747

That's good enough for me... :)

[bassist]

Brilliant News, Hopefully a great year for Elfyn too!!

[Andre Oliveira]

Elfyn will have no excuses, Michelin black and round too

[Andre Oliveira]

lol

https://scontent.fopo2-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/24131149_1941906599172091_2703154199504296895_n.jp g?oh=f1eb8e931b58132e76fba4c4396f6851&oe=5A8A893D

[dimviii]

what a clown!

[AMSS]

I really can`t help but think this piece from MN is at least a bit pointed to certain other team bosses in the WRC ;) or maybe it`s just what is written and not pointed at anyone in particular..

“There was a lot talked about and a lot written about my decision and where I would go, I know some of this was about money, but I can tell you the choice was not made only on the money. I had the chance to speak to the other teams and to talk to them, but I had to be really convinced not only on the money side, but also there’s the thing that money can’t buy a great boss and nobody has given me the sort of feeling that Malcolm has. I really feel that Malcolm fights so hard to keep me in the team, I enjoy working with him and the team so much – there’s a lot of good feeling for this.”

[Simmi]

In MN today: "No comment from Ford yet on whether this means a full-scale return for the Blue Oval. Ford is understood to be upscaling its technical commitment and funding for ongoing testing and development. Those were Ogier's precise requirements for remaining with M-Sport next year."


So perhaps it will remain the same as this year, only with more support behind the scenes. MN also say a third driver announcement will come at the Autosport show/WRC launch.

[Barreis]

who could be 3rd driver?! probably Camilli or Ostberg

[tomhlord]

So perhaps it will remain the same as this year, only with more support behind the scenes.

Sounds that way.

[EstWRC]

who could be 3rd driver?! probably Camilli or Ostberg

im thinking more Suninen/Camilli...3rd car being shared like in Hyundai with Paddon and Sordo...We know there have been some talks that Suninen will do 6 rounds or so.

[Allez Andruet]

It has to be split between Suninen and Camilli, no room for Östberg there. Probably the best solution would be doing it like Hyundai, i.e. Camilli driving the same rallies as Sordo and Suninen matching Paddon. And for Suninen it would be good to do atleast Monte with R5 Fiesta in addition to all WRC outings.

[Simmi]

In MN today: "No comment from Ford yet on whether this means a full-scale return for the Blue Oval. Ford is understood to be upscaling its technical commitment and funding for ongoing testing and development. Those were Ogier's precise requirements for remaining with M-Sport next year."


So perhaps it will remain the same as this year, only with more support behind the scenes. MN also say a third driver announcement will come at the Autosport show/WRC launch.

Now the web article has arrived: https://www.motorsport-news.co.uk/news/rallying-news/wrc/ford-backing-key-to-m-sports-ogier-deal/

[AMSS]

who could be 3rd driver?! probably Camilli or Ostberg

Maybe the 3rd car will be a Pirelli equipped car...

[Rallyper]

Camilli? Well, maybe he deserves a second chance, effort. But doubt he´ll succeed. Third car will be a decider who pays most money. At least four drivers, maybe five, to be possible in 3rd car.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

RB story & video from M-Sport yesterday:
https://www.redbull.com/int-en/sebastien-ogier-m-sport-2018

[AnttiL]

who could be 3rd driver?! probably Camilli or Ostberg

It has been said that Suninen does at least six events in a Fiesta and that the third car will probably be split between him and Camilli. Østberg is selling his car but could he continue with rented car from M-Sport, for a limited program?

[spiderem]

RB story & video from M-Sport yesterday:
https://www.redbull.com/int-en/sebastien-ogier-m-sport-2018

Probably Red Bull will be a major sponsor too to make this happen.

[tomhlord]

Maybe the 3rd car will be a Pirelli equipped car...

To me, Pirelli being back smells of Bertelli doing at least a few rounds in the current-spec M-Sport Fiesta.

[Andre Oliveira]

Pirelli was sponsor of Kalle Rovanpëra too

[Rally Power]

Huge congrats for Mr. Wilson and all MSport staff. They totally deserve to keep Ogier and get a wider support from Ford. Still believing Ford announcement will happen any time soon; most likely, we’ll have a Ford/MSport World Rally Team entry since MC.

Btw, Ogier’s words about money not being the only issue on other teams discussions makes sense; he probably asked for changes in Citroen Racing structure and a number one status in Hyundai and Toyota cases...

[ESTR]

what a clown!

Well everyone shit on Neuville, and when some say something about Ogi it's almost end of the world.. Well glad he sign for another year and fingers crossed for Nevuille to beat that smile over his face, like he was doing almost all year now..

[EstWRC]

https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/24255091_10155867508738728_2310255818469370421_o.j pg?oh=51976ee3178b8f2d9653caa69c67f6c0&oe=5A9510FC
https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/24291743_10155867508818728_7513698883382561916_o.j pg?oh=c2a2f1fce0b58f797e6238807a51e791&oe=5A912BAE
https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/24059599_10155867508873728_4494104438327332797_o.j pg?oh=0ab961e0fd0fb314287722c3be669d38&oe=5A9D123C
https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/24291799_10155867508908728_4421470536396515877_o.j pg?oh=64b83f1e6e9e492bc254e6ca2f0bf2a6&oe=5A9B54F7

[Andre Oliveira]

https://www.facebook.com/pg/KajetanKajetanowicz/photos/?tab=album&album_id=1837867716246488

https://scontent.fopo2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/24129526_1837868372913089_3416324182055006694_n.jp g?oh=15a889324802f35391e602de5573bbeb&oe=5AA0B108
https://scontent.fopo2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/24174346_1837869126246347_8638344188391849278_n.jp g?oh=c7b322be701c54b7ab3f786e12d984ab&oe=5A8E2930
https://scontent.fopo2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/24174150_1837867789579814_7092266966942730387_n.jp g?oh=1f65c15a57dacf08e632dc16c6a2e91e&oe=5A938EFE

[Andre Oliveira]

Kajto: https://www.facebook.com/KajetanKajetanowicz/videos/1838591092840817/

[nafpaktos]

i would rather see him to a normal ss and not to a go-kart circuit.

[Mirek]

It's test for a show event not for a true rally.

[nafpaktos]

It's test for a show event not for a true rally.

i understand but still why on go-kart circuit?

[rallyfiend]

i understand but still why on go-kart circuit?

Cheaper to hire than closing a road...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Kajetan Kajetanowicz‏
@Kajto_pl

We did it! We won @rajdbarborka fifth time in a row (unofficial results)!!!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DQDI6oHX4AEKz00.jpg

[Mirek]

i understand but still why on go-kart circuit?

Why not?

[Andre Oliveira]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DQEw0TXXUAECkO5?format=jpg&name=large

[Andre Oliveira]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DQJ-Of8XcAENwRq?format=jpg&name=medium
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DQJ6SY1X0AAsKLE?format=jpg&name=medium

[Jarek Z]

Nice surprise. The Autosport award was presented to Ogier by Robert Kubica.

"As a rally driver you need to be a much more flexible driver, you have to adapt to different conditions - the conditions are never the same.
As a circuit driver you have to be very precise, very consistent. As a rally driver you cannot do that.
I had chance to win an F1 race but I didn't have chance to win a [WRC] rally." - said Kubica.

More at https://www.autosport.com/awards/news/133424/ogier-wins-rally-driver-for-fifth-straight-year

https://n-4-8.dcs.redcdn.pl/file/o2/tvn/web-content/m/p1/i/fc9b003bb003a298c2ad0d05e4342bdc/fe656ee2-ab4c-4e13-98d8-9fd8f09cfa12.jpg

[pantealex]

When was last time that World Champion and his car didn´t win ?

[macebig]

When was last time that World Champion and his car didn´t win ?

Champion 2009 (Mikko won the Autosport Award) and car 2011 (Mini JCW WRC won the Car Award).

[Mirek]

Champion 2009 (Mikko won the Autosport Award) and car 2011 (Mini JCW WRC won the Car Award).

Nice example of completely nonsensial choice...

[Andre Oliveira]

At Ford UK headquarters

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DQM3RzpW4AE0KEY?format=jpg&name=large

[Andre Oliveira]

https://scontent.fopo2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/fr/cp0/e15/q65/24799233_1758949724178457_8850705414154305441_o.jp g?efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&oh=fd3a6c5f89d6d1dac06fb99c11936f90&oe=5AC6FDF0

[dimviii]

big Ford logo at backround...

[Roy]

https://scontent.fopo2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/fr/cp0/e15/q65/24799233_1758949724178457_8850705414154305441_o.jp g?efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&oh=fd3a6c5f89d6d1dac06fb99c11936f90&oe=5AC6FDF0
What would you say with this pic, posting this here. It's from motorsport.com website. Published around rally Portugal.

[Simmi]

Rally Argentina plate on the car. Big Ford logo in the background though guys. So an announcement must be coming...

[Andre Oliveira]

Why Rally Argentina? hummm

[nafpaktos]

Why not?

what exactly will you extract from a wrc to kart circuit?

[tommeke_B]

what exactly will you extract from a wrc to kart circuit?

I think the results proved he didn't need a proper test, as he won Barborka by a big margin (nearly 2,5s/km quicker than 2nd). The "test" was probably just to get a feel of the car, take some promo-photos and make a video.

[Mirek]

And possibly to give a taxi run for some sponsors and friends without putting them in any sort of danger.

[electroliquid]

what exactly will you extract from a wrc to kart circuit?

And all Barborka rally is basically slalom course, so normal stage won't be any better for get know car.

[Watson]

To me, Pirelli being back smells of Bertelli doing at least a few rounds in the current-spec M-Sport Fiesta.
If anything he'll be in a fourth car. He just doesn't make the cut. Neither does Camilli. I think Østberg and Suninen will share the third car. Also, isn't a switch to Pirelli too much of a risk for any of the manufacturers? If they are even slightly off the pace of Michelin that's that for both championships.

[rallyfiend]

If anything he'll be in a fourth car. He just doesn't make the cut. Neither does Camilli. I think Østberg and Suninen will share the third car. Also, isn't a switch to Pirelli too much of a risk for any of the manufacturers? If they are even slightly off the pace of Michelin that's that for both championships.

I don't think Pirelli even have the full range of tyre options compared to Michelin.

[AnttiL]

Bertelli does not need M-Sport and even less does M-Sport need Bertelli. His drives are not related to the line-up of the manufacturer's points scoring team of M-Sport.

[Andre Oliveira]

Great video from Kajto: https://youtu.be/NFBgOm2fxdE

[RAS007]

Bertelli does not need M-Sport and even less does M-Sport need Bertelli. His drives are not related to the line-up of the manufacturer's points scoring team of M-Sport.

Well that's a good job then, because he's not going to score any points.

[pantealex]

Well that's a good job then, because he's not going to score any points.

Don´t be so sure, even Serderidis did score points...

[AnttiL]

Don´t be so sure, even Serderidis did score points...

Bertelli retired from 8th in Argentina with gearbox failure on the penultimate stage. But still, he's a self-funded privateer driving for fun, not a candidate for a factory seat.

[Simmi]

More details of Ford Performance and their technical involvement:
https://www.motorsport-news.co.uk/news/rallying-news/wrc/m-sport-gets-ford-support-from-america/

Looks to me like they will tap into FP in America behind the scenes (similar to what they did in WRX), but we won't see Ford officially return as a manufacturer any time soon.

[macebig]

I can't understand how some of you guys are fixated with "factory team". Does it really matter? Was Ralliart or Prodrive a "factory team"? No, they were backed by a car company to run a rally program. Hell, even the TTE was pretty much Ove Anders son's pet project till the mid 90s. What is really significant is that Ford was and is still backing M Sport to run a World Rally program. If the team is not named "Ford World Rally Team" or "Ford Performance " is secondary.

[pantealex]

I can't understand how some of you guys are fixated with "factory team". Does it really matter? Was Ralliart or Prodrive a "factory team"? No, they were backed by a car company to run a rally program. Hell, even the TTE was pretty much Ove Anders son's pet project till the mid 90s. What is really significant is that Ford was and is still backing M Sport to run a World Rally program. If the team is not named "Ford World Rally Team" or "Ford Performance " is secondary.

Agreed.

In my mind Tommi Mäkinen Racing is private company backed by car company, there is no "Gazoo" named company in Finland.
But if we compare all current WRC teams, M-Sport is most privateer.

[AnttiL]

Agreed.

In my mind Tommi Mäkinen Racing is private company backed by car company, there is no "Gazoo" named company in Finland.
But if we compare all current WRC teams, M-Sport is most privateer.

Tommi Mäkinen Racing does not run the Toyota Yaris WRC cars. Its drivers are Jarkko Nikara, Takamoto Katsuta and Hiroki Arai.

But it's true that the WRC teams are separate units from the factory. Citroen is probably the most factory-run team of the current ones?

[Rally Power]

I can't understand how some of you guys are fixated with "factory team". Does it really matter? Was Ralliart or Prodrive a "factory team"? No, they were backed by a car company to run a rally program. Hell, even the TTE was pretty much Ove Anders son's pet project till the mid 90s. What is really significant is that Ford was and is still backing M Sport to run a World Rally program. If the team is not named "Ford World Rally Team" or "Ford Performance " is secondary.

You’re right; still, once Ford is technically helping and somehow funding MSport, it seems a waste not having Ford name in the WRC manufacturer entry and see them not profiting from the new Fiesta rally success (no official mention on the media or throught their importers/dealers net).

[rallyfiend]

Tommi Mäkinen Racing does not run the Toyota Yaris WRC cars. Its drivers are Jarkko Nikara, Takamoto Katsuta and Hiroki Arai.

But it's true that the WRC teams are separate units from the factory. Citroen is probably the most factory-run team of the current ones?

It is indeed Tommi Makinen Racing that runs the WRC team.

The Toyota Gazoo moniker is a branding that's laid on top of Tommi Makinen Racing.

The structure is almost identical to how it is / was with Ford and M-Sport.

[tomhlord]

I can't understand how some of you guys are fixated with "factory team". Does it really matter? Was Ralliart or Prodrive a "factory team"? No, they were backed by a car company to run a rally program. Hell, even the TTE was pretty much Ove Anders son's pet project till the mid 90s. What is really significant is that Ford was and is still backing M Sport to run a World Rally program. If the team is not named "Ford World Rally Team" or "Ford Performance " is secondary.

No, Ralliart and Prodrive were not factory teams. But they were 'manufactuer' teams.

M-Sport get technical support - a grey area to what that amounts to - but not enough funds from Ford to officially call it a Manufacturer entry.

Citroen and Hyundai are factory teams. Their motorsport divisions are owned by the car manufacturer. Toyota is a manufacturer team with the car manufactuer outsourcing and funding the programme.

[Watson]

I can't understand how some of you guys are fixated with "factory team". Does it really matter? Was Ralliart or Prodrive a "factory team"? No, they were backed by a car company to run a rally program. Hell, even the TTE was pretty much Ove Anders son's pet project till the mid 90s. What is really significant is that Ford was and is still backing M Sport to run a World Rally program. If the team is not named "Ford World Rally Team" or "Ford Performance " is secondary.

Yes and no. What matters in the end is technical expertise and dough. M-Sport has plenty of the former and needed more of the latter from Ford to stay competitive and still write paychecks to Ogier and Evans.

[pantealex]

Tommi Mäkinen Racing does not run the Toyota Yaris WRC cars. Its drivers are Jarkko Nikara, Takamoto Katsuta and Hiroki Arai.

But it's true that the WRC teams are separate units from the factory. Citroen is probably the most factory-run team of the current ones?

https://www.talouselama.fi/uutiset/te/ce8c1914-07cd-3fb7-bffe-dc0d85863d0b?ref=ampparit:8f57

Sorry, it´s in Finnish. But actually it´s TMR which builds those Yaris.

[Rally Power]

M-Sport get technical support - a grey area to what that amounts to - but not enough funds from Ford to officially call it a Manufacturer entry.

Is there a supporting/funding limit from which a brand can figure as a WRC manufacturer entry? Once they allow (and support) a private team to run their models they surely are entitled to get the brand name on the manus entry form. Ford choose not to do it in 2013, as they were having a terrible time (bad financial results, factories closing), but the current situation is much better and, apparently, there’s no reason for not having Ford name on WRC entry list.

[AnttiL]

https://www.talouselama.fi/uutiset/te/ce8c1914-07cd-3fb7-bffe-dc0d85863d0b?ref=ampparit:8f57

Sorry, it´s in Finnish. But actually it´s TMR which builds those Yaris.

I understood that TGR buys the development from TMR but TGR is the official company entering the cars to the rallies.

[pantealex]

I understood that TGR buys the development from TMR but TGR is the official company entering the cars to the rallies.

YES, but TMR does all the work.

[AnttiL]

YES, but TMR does all the work.

Now, if we would have, let's say, Ford Performance WRT, which would buy the development and service from M-Sport, we'd have the similar situation.

[AndyRAC]

So improved technical backing now from Ford Performance - but still not 'officially' a Ford Manufacturer/ Works team; still M-Sport World Rally Team. Good that they will get improved technical backing, but slightly disappointing that it appears they're still not coming fully onboard.

[Watson]

So improved technical backing now from Ford Performance - but still not 'officially' a Ford Manufacturer/ Works team; still M-Sport World Rally Team. Good that they will get improved technical backing, but slightly disappointing that it appears they're still not coming fully onboard.

I think I read that Red Bull is investing quite a bit into the salaries of both Ogier and Evans. If both or all three cars will sport the RB livery next year it would be quite telling as to where the money comes from. Ford might just play a much bigger part in R&D but not necessarily in terms of financing M-Sport a great deal.

Anyway, if Ogier approves it must be a decent project.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Local TV report on @MSportLtd's success this season speaking to company boss Malcolm Wilson about what it felt like to win the World Rally Championship and his plans for the future: http://www.itv.com/news/border/update/2017-12-06/m-sport-boss-gives-first-interview-since-re-signing-sebastien-ogier/

[Watson]

Local TV report on @MSportLtd's success this season speaking to company boss Malcolm Wilson about what it felt like to win the World Rally Championship and his plans for the future: https://t.co/iJyxEBuF4f

Malcom Wilson on Tanak leaving: "Ideally we would have liked to retain him as well but when the time came around [to sort out hos future] we couldn't offer him what he was looking for."

McRae, Sainz, Märtin, Duval and now Tanak all lost because Ford HQ couldn't make up their minds before August/September when drivers want to put pen to paper. It's just ridiculous.

But hey I guess I shouldn't complain after winning both championships and keeping Ogier and Evans onboard.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Malcom Wilson on Tanak leaving: "Ideally we would have liked to retain him as well but when the time came around [to sort out hos future] we couldn't offer him what he was looking for."

McRae, Sainz, Märtin, Duval and now Tanak all lost because Ford HQ couldn't make up their minds before August/September when drivers want to put pen to paper. It's just ridiculous.

But hey I guess I shouldn't complain after winning both championships and keeping Ogier and Evans onboard.

They couldn't afford what Toyota were able to offer Tanak, but as there was still a chance to retain Ogier that had to be their priority.

And as it turned out Ford hasnt come back as a full factory team, so M-Sport couldn't have afforded both Ogier and Tanak after all...

[Tarmop]

Wilson has also hinted (maybe during Wales?) that they weren`t in a position to offer him what he wanted THEN...maybe now they would have been. Tänak himself hasn`t said anything bad about M-Sport, even said that their offer wasn`t bad, but he can`t be no. 2 for long (mentioning that due to budget new updates came firstly on car no.1 etc).

[Gregor-y]

McRae, Sainz, Märtin, Duval and now Tanak all lost because Ford HQ couldn't make up their minds before August/September when drivers want to put pen to paper. It's just ridiculous.

Solberg? Sorry. I could not resist.

[Watson]

Wilson has also hinted (maybe during Wales?) that they weren`t in a position to offer him what he wanted THEN...maybe now they would have been. Tänak himself hasn`t said anything bad about M-Sport, even said that their offer wasn`t bad, but he can`t be no. 2 for long (mentioning that due to budget new updates came firstly on car no.1 etc).

Yeah I also understood it this way. Namely, that now with the backing they could afford OGI, TAN and EVA.

Tänak actually said before he signed for Toyota that he was torn and that he thought that the Fiesta was the only car that was fast everywhere.

[macebig]

Malcom Wilson on Tanak leaving: "Ideally we would have liked to retain him as well but when the time came around [to sort out hos future] we couldn't offer him what he was looking for."

McRae, Sainz, Märtin, Duval and now Tanak all lost because Ford HQ couldn't make up their minds before August/September when drivers want to put pen to paper. It's just ridiculous.

But hey I guess I shouldn't complain after winning both championships and keeping Ogier and Evans onboard.

For all of these guys (except Sainz) , leaving Ford proved to be the downfall of their career...

[er88]

For all of these guys (except Sainz) , leaving Ford proved to be the downfall of their career...Didn't help JML or Mikko either. Although Jari is in a decent place now having moved on from VW

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[dimviii]

For all of these guys (except Sainz) , leaving Ford proved to be the downfall of their career...

forgot Solberg?

[macebig]

forgot Solberg?

For Solberg, leaving Ford worked mid term but in the long run, the uncompetitiveness of Subaru came back to bite him.

[Watson]

Didn't help JML or Mikko either. Although Jari is in a decent place now having moved on from VW

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Well they were both unlucky enough to have to endure the might of the Sebs.

[dimviii]

For Solberg, leaving Ford worked mid term but in the long run, the uncompetitiveness of Subaru came back to bite him.

yes but became world rally champion after leaving Ford

[macebig]

yes but became world rally champion after leaving Ford

That's why I said worked mid term. But then, Hollywood spent 7 full seasons without a win.

[dimviii]

That's why I said worked mid term. But then, Hollywood spent 7 full seasons without a win.

if he had stayed at Ford he would won more?

[AnttiL]

That's why I said worked mid term. But then, Hollywood spent 7 full seasons without a win.

Why is he called Hollywood?

[macebig]

A. I am fairly sure that he would have won at least one rally between 2006-2011 behind the wheel of a Ford. And B. Hollywood was an old nickname of Petter Solberg because of his spectacular driving style.

[bluuford]

Why is he called Hollywood?

He was entertaining, as actors are

[swanny]

He probably should have got one in that last 'extra' year too...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Yeah I also understood it this way. Namely, that now with the backing they could afford OGI, TAN and EVA.

Tänak actually said before he signed for Toyota that he was torn and that he thought that the Fiesta was the only car that was fast everywhere.

All the quotes so far have been about extra technical assistance from Ford in 2018 (plus this is what Ogier mainly wanted). No mention at all about Ford being the paymaster for the driver wages...

[Watson]

All the quotes so far have been about extra technical assistance from Ford in 2018 (plus this is what Ogier mainly wanted). No mention at all about Ford being the paymaster for the driver wages...

You might have a point there.

[Tarmop]

All the quotes so far have been about extra technical assistance from Ford in 2018 (plus this is what Ogier mainly wanted). No mention at all about Ford being the paymaster for the driver wages...

All cars getting the same upgrades the same time+ a decent salary from...someone. Was more important to Tänak if i understood correctly.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Good to see this on the car before the Ford name somehow got attached later...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DOwW45lWsAA30fB.jpg:large

[Watson]

Good to see this on the car before the Ford name somehow got attached later...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DOwW45lWsAA30fB.jpg:large

Good to see the numbers 1, 2 and 3 on the 2018 cars again. I'm looking forward to the third driver and livery presentation.

[Andre Oliveira]

The car of tests will be used here, explains the livery

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DQ7gA8ZX4AAwDQb?format=jpg&name=medium

[Andre Oliveira]

Ogier Gap Motor Show now live here: https://youtu.be/ZqZ43IiHuRA

[dimviii]

Ogier Gap Motor Show now live here: https://youtu.be/ZqZ43IiHuRA

not so much people?

[EstWRC]

well, he isnt popular in france :p

[Fast Eddie WRC]

well, he isnt popular in france :p

I think he is in Gap...
https://youtu.be/QVZoj3cD9wk

[Andre Oliveira]

https://www.facebook.com/pg/Alpes1AlpesduSud/photos/?tab=album&album_id=10155367026009926

https://scontent.fopo2-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/25289621_10155367027604926_6935225043339715138_n.j pg?oh=ffb49e484c29a9d5dd36ad71f8da98ea&oe=5ACECEDA
https://scontent.fopo2-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/25348621_10155367030204926_6036616395056695745_n.j pg?oh=d80d707aaa91e52846040e97d6680635&oe=5AD62CB5https://scontent.fopo2-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/25398881_10155367029099926_7328209753277918500_n.j pg?oh=8fd1f125831207b1f0c564025656b217&oe=5ABAE5D3

[Andre Oliveira]

Entries to Monte-Carlo close today, so i guess that info about 3rd driver should be known soon.

[br21]

Sunninen in WRC2, Camilli maybe at home or maybe R5 also

[er88]

Will be another disappointment if they only run with two cars on Monte, and certain other events too. Hope that's not the case

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[Watson]

Sunninen in WRC2, Camilli maybe at home or maybe R5 also

Source?

[EstWRC]

I have a feeling they will have just two cars at Monte. Even if you put suninen or Camilli in the third car then the chances that they would finish higher than Evans or finish at all is basically zero. R5 for suninen should be good, he needs more experience

[Watson]

The neat thing about the regulations are that if one of your leading cars bites the dust, the third car only has to finish to salvage a couple of points. They could just tell Suninen to take it easy and learn the car on asphalt.

I suppose every single point will be crucial this season.

[Simmi]

Yeah I think it is easy to forget how inexperienced Teemu is when you look at the bigger picture.

Just 28 events at WRC level in his career. By his sixth event he was in 4WD. By his 24th he was in a full spec WRC car - which is some pretty big fast-tracking!

He's only ever done the Monte once before. So I agree, R5 is fine, but honestly I think he could still do a better job than Camilli in the car.

[AL14]

I have a feeling they will have just two cars at Monte. Even if you put suninen or Camilli in the third car then the chances that they would finish higher than Evans or finish at all is basically zero. R5 for suninen should be good, he needs more experience

As long as it's just for Monte or some events it's ok but they should give a third car to Suninen for as much rounds as possible.
I think some of us is understimating this guy. Simmi's number speak for themselves. He is pure talent, and is good in all surfaces, he's not mentally weak and is very determined and committed.
No investement is safe but if I have to put my money to give a WRC car to anyone this year that would be him.

[Watson]

Agreed AL14. Him, Lappi and Tidemand are more than likely going to be the big guys of their generation.

[EstWRC]

As long as it's just for Monte or some events it's ok but they should give a third car to Suninen for as much rounds as possible.
I think some of us is understimating this guy. Simmi's number speak for themselves. He is pure talent, and is good in all surfaces, he's not mentally weak and is very determined and committed.
No investement is safe but if I have to put my money to give a WRC car to anyone this year that would be him.

Exactly, just Monte...Dont get me wrong, i am a Suninen fan and i definitely want that from sweden onwards he should be in that car on every round, not just that rumoured 6-7 rounds.

But for Monte it wouldnt be bad to have him in an R5. Like SImmi said he has done that round for once just.

[AnttiL]

It's still a bummer if there's only two M-Sport WRC Fiestas on Monte Carlo, or any other rally...

Not sure who would do better, Teemu or Eric, or who would benefit the team more from doing the event in a WRC car. One day Suninen might be a championship contender and the experience is then valuable.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

MW knows that the chances of a second Manu's title in 2018 are very slim anyway, with Hyundai and Toyota strengthening.

So with no #3 driver available with enough funding for a full season, it looks like MS-RT will have a two-car team only.

Unless there is still a surprise coming...

[RS]

Would be nice to see Bouffier in the third Fiesta for Monte, even if he appears to have lost a bit of his previous speed.

[Eli]

http://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/news/december-2017/ford-on-entries/page/5089--12-12-.html
Yes!!! finally some good and long expected (& awaited) news!!! Finally the team's name matches this thread lol

[Fast Eddie WRC]

http://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/news/december-2017/ford-on-entries/page/5089--12-12-.html
Yes!!! finally some good and long expected news!!!

I like it, M-Sport before Ford. :D

[Eli]

I like it, M-Sport before Ford. :D

Me too :)

[itix]

I know I'm last to this party but ABOUT BLEEDING TIME they came to M-sports side.
Malcolm (and Ogier) worked waaaay too hard for this and boy have they earned it.

[KiwiWRCfan]

MW knows that the chances of a second Manu's title in 2018 are very slim anyway, with Hyundai and Toyota strengthening.

So with no #3 driver available with enough funding for a full season, it looks like MS-RT will have a two-car team only.

Unless there is still a surprise coming...

When M-Sport announced Ogier & Evans as drivers they said news on 3rd car would be coming in next few weeks. A third car will not be a surprise. Who will drive third car may be a surprise.

Ford will be more interested in manufacturer title than driver title. Hyundai & Toyota will get a fight from M-Sport Ford WRT for 2018 manufacturer title

[ESTR]

Ostberg/Suninen/Camilli all of them also in WRC2. Others are not logical at all.

[AL14]

That's a good news. Now I'm sure more than one manager will regret to not have taken the chance to hire the only one capable of winning a championship. Their team "balance" is safe and everybody is friend, and also the shelf with trophies will not have any change to its balance since it will likely remain the same. :D

[Watson]

The team balance might be key. Ogier and Evans seem to be good pals because Evans admires Ogier, is eager to learn from him and won't try to mess up his party whereas I can already smell major fallouts between Neuville/Mikkelsen and JML/Tanak. We know Neuville's temper and JML has weak nerves unless he is the clear teamleader, now they both have teammates that can seriously challenge them.

[andyone]

my self im soo much Happy for Malcom. These are the people who keep rallying running. im Glad Ford has come back. i know Ogier will get some challenge on 2018, but they have a better chance ford sims rigid enough to manage to hold up.