WRC Rally Argentina 2012

[Kielder]

we can listen online?

First one is better.

Cadena 3 Argentina - Multimedia (http://www.cadena3.com/multimedia.asp?programacion=LV3%20%96%20AM%2070&programacionaux=LV3%20%96%20AM%2070)
FM Libertad 100.1 MHz Transmitiendo en vivo y en directo para todo el Mundo (http://www.fmlibertadsanluis.com/player.php)

[Hartusvuori]

Nasser stopped at 13 km in.

EDIT: Splits are there, so clearly back in the move.

[Gherid_lacksGPS]

Rough rally for Attiyah.....

[Langdale Forest]

Good stage for Solberg.

[6789]

Good stage for Solberg.
1.9 secs in 37kms is bugger all - Solberg nearing had two offs but

[EightGear]

1.9 secs in 37kms is bugger all - Solberg nearing had two offs but

Loeb had a little spin though.

[focus206]

Something happened to Tanak?

[Langdale Forest]

When does next stage start?

[N.O.T]

sordo under orders again ???

LOL...

[6789]

Loeb had a little spin though.

Yeah my guess would be that the spin occurred between 4 and 5 and Solberg gained alittle time on the last split. Long way to go, Loeb is looking very fast, like always :)

[Tom206wrc]

Oh no !!!! I noticed Ramona Karlsson already retired with mechanical problems ;(

[Kielder]

23' 'til SS3.

[dimviii]

no vysledky for Argentina?
Vsledky Rallye: Vsledky on-line (http://www.vysledky-rally.cz/vysledky/?rz=91&filtr=)

[CatraBiNAS]

Tanak puncture. +2:47.4

[Tom206wrc]

Local ace Marcos Ligato in trouble(no split after first one) :confused:

[Sulland]

no vysledky for Argentina?
Vsledky Rallye: Vsledky on-line (http://www.vysledky-rally.cz/vysledky/?rz=91&filtr=)

Probably a glitch, but this one works:
eWRC-results.com - results Rally Argentina 2012 (http://www.ewrc-results.com/results.php?e=3491&s=24156&t=Rally-Argentina-2012)

[Hartusvuori]

Local ace Marcos Ligato in trouble(no split after first one) :confused:

... is moving.

[nr7wave]

Mikkelsen 3.4 quicker than Ogier at split 3...

[nr7wave]

Mikkelsen 6s quicker than Ogier at split 4. Must be due to a much better road position than Ogier ;)

[N.O.T]

ss03 underway...

Very good splits my mikkelsen so far...lets see how it ends.

[Kielder]

Argentinians say Loeb and Hirvonen have started SS3.

[nr7wave]

ss03 underway...

Very good splits my mikkelsen so far...lets see how it ends.

Yeah. Lets hope they dont push each other so that they make stupid mistakes

[Tom206wrc]

SS3 is 51km long :s

[6789]

Loeb, Hirvo, Solberg and Sordo into SS3

[wrchirek]

There is somebody who drives a WRC slower than Nobre. Wow.

[Hartusvuori]

Solberg already 2,5s down to Loeb on second split. It's a long way to go still...

[Langdale Forest]

The village driver from Chilie.
Mini is a useless team if only village drivers drive their cars.

[Langdale Forest]

No splits, but I hope that Solberg keeps the lead.

[6789]

Sordo up on split three in SS3 - Go Sordo!

[Tom206wrc]

No Neuville at start of stage :confused:

[N.O.T]

Mikkelsen 5 seconds faster at the end...nice battle...lets see if Ogier has something to say or do about it on the big one.

[BleAivano]

Was it local rented car ? Or her own Swedish car ?

It was her own Evo X, the same car that she will use in all PWRC events.
She does not currently have a car to use in Sweden.

[Coach 2]

Yeah. Lets hope they dont push each other so that they make stupid mistakes

When someone pushes, it is easy to make mistakes. When there is no reason to push, you make stupid mistakes.
It is the last claim, that have been the problem this season.

[papar007]

Great job from Sordo 1,3 faster

[Maxi]

Novikov stopped

EDIT: He knocked a wheel off.

[Tom206wrc]

What about Neuville ??? Is he present on SS3 :confused:

[papar007]

No

[EightGear]

What about Neuville ??? Is he present on SS3 :confused:

Yes, probably because the WRR said he was in the stage.

[blissard]

Novikov lost a wheel.

[focus206]

Very small gaps so far :)

[papar007]

0,2 between Mikkelsen and Ogier after ss2

[6789]

Solberg up at split 9 :D

[papar007]

PS probably will win SS3

[focus206]

Loeb lost a couple of seconds at split 9?

[nr7wave]

Petter suddenly 3.4 up! Trouble for Loeb?

[ProRally]

Kremer seems to be stopped on SS2.... already superally ?

Moving again, stopped about 25 min

[6789]

Looks like Loeb might have had a little spin or something after spli 8

[Hartusvuori]

Loeb stopped!

EDIT: And on the move again...

[EightGear]

Loeb stopped and moved again.

[Maxi]

Loeb has stopped briefly

[6789]

Loeb stopped OMG!!! Wait back on the move...

[Sulland]

Puncture for loeb?

[Hartusvuori]

He propably just changed a tyre...

[BleAivano]

could it be problems with the windscreen vipers for Loeb or anything similar?
And that he stopped to perhaps to try to get them working again?

[Tom206wrc]

How many seconds Loeb stopped on stage :confused:

[EightGear]

About 20 seconds.

[6789]

He propably just changed a tyre...

He lost 20 secs to Mikko at the last split - so wouldn't be a tyre I don't think

[dimviii]

tyrechange is about 1,15 min.

[Hartusvuori]

He lost 20 secs to Mikko at the last split - so wouldn't be a tyre I don't think

That was humour...

[Langdale Forest]

Solberg has a good lead now.

[Hartusvuori]

Yet again we are conforting the question at the beginning of the rally: could this be it for Mr. Solberg? At the moment it sure looks okey, yet Mr. Loeb has definitely not said his last word. I hope this rally keeps it tension up to the Sunday monster stage.

[focus206]

The event is still veeeeery long...

[Sulland]

What did Loeb say on the radio?

[rage82]

Really pleased with the speed of Sordo. He has done only 65 km testing I think!

[EightGear]

He had 2 more spins.

[rage82]

What did Loeb say on the radio?
He has 2 spins in the stage

[Hartusvuori]

Neuville finished well only +13,7 s down on Solberg.

[Kielder]

Sordo says on the radio that they've lost time between split 6 & 7 because he thought he'd had a puncture.

[nr7wave]

He has 2 spins in the stage

And the car is oversteering

[Sulland]

What about Sordo, did he have a spin as well?

Is there a iOS app that gives radio feed, and results?

[amilk]

He is a sprinter, and said not like this type of endurance events /stages - maybe realy it's not his style but too early to say

[Viking]

2 stages and 3 spins ... keep it up Mr Loeb

[Tom206wrc]

Excellent time from Neuville :bounce:

[Langdale Forest]

What is the time (in England) for the start of SS4?

[EightGear]

What is the time (in England) for the start of SS4?

16:46 before the delays.

[blissard]

Is there a iOS app that gives radio feed, and results?

I think only Nokia has a WRC-app? Why not iOS and Android? Formula 1 has an official app with gps tracking etc.., though it's very expensive.

[rallye-vid]

5:46pm SS4

[Hartusvuori]

Tänak stopped?

[6789]

What about Sordo, did he have a spin as well?

Is there a iOS app that gives radio feed, and results?

The puffin browser allows you to run flash and use the wrc.com website - thats the only thing which I have been able to find

Puffin Browser (http://www.puffinbrowser.com/)

[amilk]

Nobre found his challenger - it's big battle with Salazar :)

[Kielder]

Sordo said on the radio that he'd lost time between split 6 & 7 because he thought he'd had a puncture.

[Mirek]

Excellent time from Neuville :bounce:

With a spin!

[Hartusvuori]

With a spin!

Exactly!

[Maxi]

What about Sordo, did he have a spin as well?

Is there a iOS app that gives radio feed, and results?

try the irally app

[amilk]

Exactly!

We saw similar first stages from Neuville this year......

[Kielder]

Organizers are rescheduling the rally for this afternoon. A regrouping could be shorter.

[6789]

try the irally app

It plays music not the WRC stream, which is a shame

[Kielder]

It looks like the last stage will be cancelled. Teams are against running it because of the dark.

[vino_93]

...

[rallye-vid]

Teams are against running it because of the dark.

pussys ...

[amilk]

It looks like the last stage will be cancelled. Teams are against running it because of the dark.

Shame - it's what about the rallying...

[Tom206wrc]

It looks like the last stage will be cancelled. Teams are against running it because of the dark.


:mark:


Edit: I hope it's not ONLY Citroën against :rolleyes:

[Kielder]

Someone asked for posting overall from time to time. Overall after the morning loop:

1 Petter
2 Mikko +20,1
3 Sordo +24,6
4 Loeb +34,8
5 Neuville +38
6 Ostberb +51.1

Great morning for Sordo. It's said that he's running with Latvala's seat, a problem with this long stages.

[Kielder]

Shame - it's what about the rallying...

The problem is that the recce was done for a stage that would be done by day.

[A FONDO]

Ostberg: "I don’t understand how we lost the time to Sordo.”
:D

[amilk]

The problem is that the recce was done for a stage that would be done by day.

Maybe,don't know..... if a stage originally planned to run in dark, it's the recce also organised in dark? On otherway it's the same for everyone....Safety concern? The best pilots in the world in the cars, always a question of speed adaptation.

[Mirek]

The problem is that the recce was done for a stage that would be done by day.

That's strange to call it a problem. It's no basic school but world championship...

Anyway great battle between Ogier and Mikkelsen!

[RAS007]

The problem is that the recce was done for a stage that would be done by day.

I don't really see how that means the stage should be cancelled. Lately, it seems that unless the conditions are perfect, there seems to be a chance that the stage will be cancelled. What happened to man and machine versus the elements?

[dyfi1]

Ott changed steering arm in stage?! Awesome.

[rallyfiend]

He's good is that Mikkelsen lad.

[Kielder]

Maybe teams are complaining about the notes the drivers took, which might are not enough/complete for a night stage. They can also complain for security reasons.

[Kielder]

SS4 starts 13:48 local time.

[rallye-vid]

If they are afraid of the dark, they can always drive the same speed like P. Nobre does.

I'm sure noone will crash then (except Paulo himself maybe)

[A FONDO]

Ott changed steering arm in stage?! Awesome.

He was a mechanic for Marko Martn's team. :) But now he lost 18 minutes + about 1 more for the next stages, while superrally could be only 15. Back to endurance spirit? Tell me about it, JT and MM. :dozey:

[Coach 2]

Maybe teams are complaining about the notes the drivers took, which might are not enough/complete for a night stage. They can also complain for security reasons.

Not a problem, they just have to adjust the speed according to conditions, notes, or whatever.
May the best win.
Real jaded drivers is what we have at the top now, really.

[Mauri A]

That's strange to call it a problem. It's no basic school but world championship...

Excactly!

[dyfi1]

He was a mechanic for Marko Martn's team. :) But now he lost 18 minutes + about 1 more for the next stages, while superrally could be only 15. Back to endurance spirit? Tell me about it, JT and MM. :dozey:

Thanks for that info SlowSon, I didn`t know too much abouts Ott`s background. I like his `endurance spirit` very much!

[Kielder]

Thanks for that info SlowSon, I didn`t know too much abouts Ott`s background. I like his `endurance spirit` very much!

Here's an article which speaks a litte about that: World Rally Championship - News - Tanak turns mechanic during Acropolis SWRC test (http://www.wrc.com/news/tanak-turns-mechanic-during-acropolis-swrc-test/?fid=14836)
What I didn't know is that they can carry this kind of pieces in the car.

[rallye-vid]

Last year rally Germany i saw Ott in the service parc reparing the car himself (Fiesta S2000).

Sometimes he even tells the mechanics what they are doing wrong ;)

[Kielder]

Ford says that they haven't any problem if the SS6 runs in the dark, so...

[dyfi1]

Here's a good article about his knowledge and habilities: World Rally Championship - News - Tanak turns mechanic during Acropolis SWRC test (http://www.wrc.com/news/tanak-turns-mechanic-during-acropolis-swrc-test/?fid=14836)
What I didn't know is that they can carry this kind of pieces in the car.

A good insight, thank you. Same as you I was also surprised that this piece of kit was carried in the car. I suppose it depends on how rough the stages are as to what spares they think they`ll need.

[Sulland]

Last year rally Germany i saw Ott in the service parc reparing the car himself (Fiesta S2000).

Sometimes he even tells the mechanics what they are doing wrong ;)

Does not hurt to understand the car build up when doing set up I guess !

[JAM]

Ford says that they haven't any problem if the SS6 is running in the dark, so...

... the problem is french. Right?

[rallye-vid]

So Mr. Loeb loves only clean, sunny, short (about 50km) rallys? :vader:

[JAM]

Ostberg: "I don’t understand how we lost the time to Sordo.”
:D

Really? Another one that is still blind about Sordo?

We have to tell to Ostberg that Sordo is running a Ford, not a Citroen :D

[Kielder]

... the problem is french. Right?

Who knows, Mini has changed the rules sometimes this season :D .

[RAS007]

if they are afraid of the dark, they can always drive the same speed like p. Nobre does.

I'm sure noone will crash then (except paulo himself maybe)

loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool

[A FONDO]

A good insight, thank you. Same as you I was also surprised that this piece of kit was carried in the car. I suppose it depends on how rough the stages are as to what spares they think they`ll need.

Recent rallies showed that Ford's steering arms are very weak. It is clever to take a spare in the trunk when it weights less than a bottle of water and you are eager to make your hands dirty instead of waiting for the tow truck with crossed hands.

[Tom206wrc]

Ostberg: "I don’t understand how we lost the time to Sordo.”
:D

And what about his time lost on Neuville ??? :p :

[Tom206wrc]

... the problem is french. Right?


If true I'm a bit disappointed by Citroën always moaning this season :mad:

[JAM]

If true I'm a bit disappointed by Citroën always moaning this season :mad:

And cheating too.

[Kielder]

Matton, in a recorded interview, says that they also haven't any problem with the night stage, but they have be sure about the security.

Let's see, it's a stewards' decision, but now it seems that that historic stage won't be cancelled.

[logic]

Matton, in a recorded interview, says that they also haven't any problem with the night stage, but they have be sure about the security.

They were moaning about security in Finskog this year as well.

[Brother John]

... the problem is french. Right?

Caution if you say something about that country, apparently this is not allowed by many here on this forum. :rolleyes:

[rallyfiend]

They were moaning about security in Finskog this year as well.

Nothing would make manufacturers flee the sport quicker than pictures of a car ploughing in to a badly placed / controlled group of spectators. And there's a lot of them at this event.

[pettersolberg29]

Excuse my ignorance, but security from what? What's the risk?

edit: is it really spectators as per the comment above? That's a fair comment if so but I'm not sure what the difference is suddenly in the last season or 2.

[Langdale Forest]

It looks like the last stage will be cancelled. Teams are against running it because of the dark.

As N.O.T said earlier today, kick Argentina out of the calendar next year.

[JAM]

Caution if you say something about that country, apparently this is not allowed by many here on this forum. :rolleyes:

It's a french problem too, not mine. And a sympatic-french problem too.

[JAM]

As N.O.T said earlier today, kick Argentina out of the calendar next year.

Whats has Argentina to do with this baby-drivers that can't drive in changing and challenging conditions?

[N.O.T]

very interesting event so far...lets see how it will unfold...

[Jajá]

As N.O.T said earlier today, kick Argentina out of the calendar next year.

I disagree! The Argentinians may not be the best organizers in the world, but they don't desearve a kick-in-the-a** as you suggest. And it's the closest spot for us down the Globe to watch WRC! :)

EDIT: Appologies for my bad wording...

[N.O.T]

the battle between the fat old clowns is one for the ages... Go Nobre !!!!

[Mauri A]

As N.O.T said earlier today, kick Argentina out of the calendar next year.

No way, if you only once have been there and seen the enthusiastic spectatators along the route, not only on the special stages but on road sections too, you´ll sure change your opinion! We in Finland are quite famous of the number of our spectators, but Argentina is something special. I recommend that you and also that Greek nothing should visit this rally.

[JAM]

and also that Greek nothing

He can't, he is under chapter 11 protection :D

[userwave]

if any event gets the boot, i think Mexico should be ahead of Argentina

[Langdale Forest]

He can't, he is under chapter 11 protection :D

Chapter 11 of what book?

[N.O.T]

He can't, he is under chapter 11 protection :D

what is chapter 11 protection ??? am i special ?

[rallyfiend]

No way, if you only once have been there and seen the enthusiastic spectatators along the route, not only on the special stages but on road sections too, you´ll sure change your opinion! We in Finland are quite famous of the number of our spectators, but Argentina is something special. I recommend that you and also that Greek nothing should visit this rally.

I've had a friend go and say the amount of people along the entire route (SS and road) is something to behold. 20, 30km stages completely packed with people.

[Barreis]

No way, if you only once have been there and seen the enthusiastic spectatators along the route, not only on the special stages but on road sections too, you´ll sure change your opinion! We in Finland are quite famous of the number of our spectators, but Argentina is something special. I recommend that you and also that Greek nothing should visit this rally.

That's insult but moderators will tolerate this as many times, bad. :P

[Mauri A]

what is chapter 11 protection ??? am i special ?

You sure are, in the bad meaning of the word.

[JAM]

He can't, he is under chapter 11 protection :D

chapter 11 = bankruptcy

[N.O.T]

chapter 11 = bankruptcy

not yet unfortunatelly...

[pete c]

Stage 4 going live at 13:48 local time

[N.O.T]

so 5 more minutes....

[uranium]

Stage 4 going live at 13:48 local time
One hour delay?

[marcosg]

chapter 11 = bankruptcy

you should be more cautious when talking about that... you never know when will be your turn :P

[EightGear]

One hour more delay....

[MikeD]

Ford says that they haven't any problem if the SS6 runs in the dark, so...

Sure they do :rolleyes: so let's hope it will run because they will be the first off the road as usual ;)

[MikeD]

you should be more cautious when talking about that... you never know when will be your turn :P

Really a case of the pot calling the kettle black :)

[Tom206wrc]

One hour more delay....



:eek: :mark:

[N.O.T]

meh... amateurs.

[JAM]

you should be more cautious when talking about that... you never know when will be your turn :P

You should be more cautious when looking at my flad. I'm portuguese.

The monetary fund and the BCE and UE are here. We are the next ones. Or maybe the spanish go first :D

[logic]

meh... amateurs.

When you gonna organize a rally?

[Tom206wrc]

And cheating too.



Ford isn't innocent for doing that neither :rolleyes:

[MikeD]

I disagree! The Argentinians may not be the best organizers in the world, but they don't desearve a kick-in-the-a** as you suggest. And it's the closest spot for us down the Globe to watch WRC! :)

EDIT: Appologies for my bad wording...

You are the first Brazilian I have ever met who didn't think Argentina deserves a kick in the a$$ :D (I have lived in both countries but mostly in Brazil, so I have witnesed their hatred towards eachother several times)

[N.O.T]

good lets play a game, whoever bunkrupts last pays for the beers if we meet at a rally...

[N.O.T]

When you gonna organize a rally?

not very smart... but ok i forgive...i am a nice person.

So i guess you do not critisise anything if you cannot do it yourself.... riiiiiiiiight.

[Jajá]

You are the first Brazilian I have ever met who didn't think Argentina deserves a kick in the a$$ :D (I have lived in both countries but mostly in Brazil, so I have witnesed their hatred towards eachother several times)

You're right... soccerwise mostly... but when it gets to motorsports, we are all united :D

[tfp]

That is a silly sport, everyone knows that :)

[A FONDO]

Tanak at the end of SS2 :eek:

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/577371_10150835094700733_206160890732_11992570_600 302627_n.jpg

[dimviii]

http://i45.servimg.com/u/f45/14/75/64/14/54125110.jpg

[John V]

no vysledky for Argentina?
Vsledky Rallye: Vsledky on-line (http://www.vysledky-rally.cz/vysledky/?rz=91&filtr=)

Really sorry to all, we have some difficulties so this Fri and Sat we will be not able to follow up results as usually :mad:

[rallye-vid]

Tanak at the end of SS2 :eek:


Tänak is for sure not scared about driving in the dark :s mokin:

[Langdale Forest]

When does SS4 start?

[dimviii]

Really sorry to all, we have some difficulties so this Fri and Sat we will be not able to follow up results as usually :mad:

No problem John,keep up the good work mate.

[rallye-vid]

mAybE in 10 minutes ...

[Sladden]

No way, if you only once have been there and seen the enthusiastic spectatators along the route, not only on the special stages but on road sections too, you´ll sure change your opinion! We in Finland are quite famous of the number of our spectators, but Argentina is something special. I recommend that you and also that Greek nothing should visit this rally.
I always thougt Argentina was one of the most interesting rallies to watch. The landscape, the stages, watersplahes, jumps, spectators, mud, rain, dry...it got a bit of everything. Does not suffer from the Mediterranian boring dusty narrow stages that look the same.

[Wasted Talent]

One hour more delay....

....pathetic.....

WT

[Kielder]

SS4 has started.

[focus206]

Loeb is pushing...

[EightGear]

....pathetic.....

WT

It counts up, it is quite logical after the initial delays. Time to- and in serivice, etc can't suddenly be shortened I think.

[Kielder]

Colin Clark is being interviewed in the Argentinian radio. He says that this is the best rally in the World (he thought nobody was hearing :p ).

[dimviii]

Sordo?

[dimviii]

Ostberg with good pace

[denkimi]

Recent rallies showed that Ford's steering arms are very weak. It is clever to take a spare in the trunk when it weights less than a bottle of water and you are eager to make your hands dirty instead of waiting for the tow truck with crossed hands.
What I don't understand, is why they are not using shear bolts to attach their suspension. instead of breaking a steering arm, a wishbone or anything else that is likely to break on a heavy impact, connect them all with shear bolts en take some of them in the car. that way repairs are simple, fast and cheap and no backup-pieces need to be taken in the car.

[Tom206wrc]

Was GPS for Sordo ;)

[EightGear]

Solberg broke the steering arm....

[pettersolberg29]

Petter broken a steering arm

[MikeD]

P.Solberg stopped with broken steering arm. Told you so. Doesn't matter if Ford want to drive at night since they wouldn't make it that fare. Come on Citroën ... make them suffer!

[Tom206wrc]

Solberg !!!! :eek: :s

[dimviii]

Petter broken a steering arm

as always

[focus206]

Oh no... Petter :(

[dimviii]

P.Solberg stopped with broken steering arm. Told you so. Doesn't matter if Ford want to drive at night since they wouldn't make it that fare. Come on Citroën ... make them suffer!

at previous stage he hit a bank and bend an arm.

[Gherid_lacksGPS]

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2wsm19VZN1qfvqat.gif

[Kielder]

49% weak steering arms, 51% cutting too much...

[EightGear]

I'm getting sick of this. It's the same EVERY single time. We're all just waiting for Ford to get trouble, it is no longer a question of 'if' but 'when.' :(

[Langdale Forest]

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2wsm19VZN1qfvqat.gif

[Gherid_lacksGPS]

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2wsm19VZN1qfvqat.gif
Beat you to it! MUUAHWHWHWWHAH

[dimviii]

Loeb 16 sec faster than previous pass.

[WRC1]

49% weak steering arms, 51% cutting too much...


40%weak steering arms, 20%cutting too much...40% stupid driver not able to stay out of troubles...not even for two stages in a row

[rallye-vid]

Looks like Tänak got some problems too

[Langdale Forest]

40%weak steering arms, 20%cutting too much...40% stupid driver not able to stay out of troubles...not even for two stages in a row

What a stupid post, it might have ben 100% mechanical failure.

[Kielder]

40%weak steering arms, 20%cutting too much...40% stupid driver not able to stay out of troubles...not even for two stages in a row

We can change the percentages, but many of the problems of the Ford are caused by the drivers. The car is very fast (we can say the fastest this year), but Ford drivers always have an accident, a puncture or a broken whatever.

[A FONDO]

Wilson should order Tanak to stop next to Solberg and help him repair it :D

[Gherid_lacksGPS]

lol

[rallye-vid]

i think Tänak is helping petter right now.. No splits for him ;)

[A FONDO]

18:25 Tweet from @WRCgerardquinn
"SS4 - Dani completes stage. Drops to 3rd O/A. Petter still in stage repairing car. #wrc #rallyargentina"

[MikeD]

What a stupid post, it might have ben 100% mechanical failure.

I feel like putting €100 on 100% driver failure

[oyunbozan]

WAT DA IS RONG WITH M-SPORT AND THOSE DRIVERS EH?
aren't they well paid, or something bothering them? staying in cheap hotels and bad food? just what is wrong with the engineers? cars are all braking down engines and suspensions?

[WRC1]

What a stupid post, it might have ben 100% mechanical failure.

it MIGHT have be....YES

it MIGHT have be also a bear rolling a big stone onto the road just before petter....but in the past races there was no "MIGHT have been" there where driver errors...

dont get me wrong, i like petter and jari matti also, thats the reason why i am so angry, they wasting all chances, with the best car this year and that is just.....aaaahhhhhh

[Kielder]

Argentinian radio has got an helicopter and they're broadcasting what's happening with Solberg for ten minutes.
He and Patterson get into the car now and start again behind Fuchs.

[Gherid_lacksGPS]

Sounds like they're packing her in for the day. Super rally tomorrow. We'll, guess I'll go mow the lawn now. Peace!

[DonJippo]

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2wsm19VZN1qfvqat.gif

Jankon Betoni by Kummeli :D

[J4MIE]

Gutted for Petter :( How long can someone have so much bad luck for.........?

[Tom206wrc]

Now Ford will want the SS6 to be cancelled: Solberg would have 5' superrally penalty less(like in Portugal when three stages were cancelled) :p :

[EightGear]

Can't VW jump in from the next rally onwards? It is getting very boring again...

[dimviii]

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[Kielder]

Four drivers into SS5. Same time for Loeb & Sordo in the first and the second ones.

[Jajá]

That's unfortunate, but that's Rallying... what really gutts is seeing Mr. Loeb giving more chances than ever to others winning the championship and no one taking advantage of it... Can you remember the last time Seb span three times in a single loop of stages? From the splits it looks like Petter wanted to recover some lost pace in the middle of the stage, maybe that forced the problem he had, you'll never know...

[RAS007]

Rally over. What a total f*cking bore.

[Mirek]

Problems for Ogier at the end of stage? Puncture or?

[Kielder]

What a weird situation... Sordo in a Ford fighting alone against Citroen :p . Who could imagine it in Portugal.
What a weird season :rolleyes: !

[Tom206wrc]

Sordo and Neuville faster than Loeb after three splits SS5 :confused:

[GINE]

Rally over. What a total f*cking bore.

Sordo will push like he'll for a win. Rally is not over

[bretddog]

Well it was in the cards, he was gonna win or go off the road... Let's wait to see the video, with Ford's history it could of course be a weak part. Or a Latvala-stone.. but I suspect this was a proper mistake pushing too hard.

Need a good meditation routine to be a Solberg fan.

[EightGear]

Sordo will push like he'll for a win. Rally is not over

No way. He will settle for a podium finish, totally unnecessary to risk anything for Ford now.

[Langdale Forest]

I do not belive in superstitions, but did Solberg break a mirror in 2005?

[dimviii]

What a weird situation... Sordo in a Ford fighting alone against Citroen :p . Who could imagine it in Portugal.
What a weird season :rolleyes: !

its not weird the situation,Malcolm choices are weird.
Sordo at his first rally with Fiesta without enough testing,and without 100% perfect setup is inside the road and very close to top.We are talking about a driver that he had competed at 1/3 of rallies vs ford drivers at last 2 years

[Fiat-131-Abarth]

I do not belive in superstitions, but did Solberg break a mirror in 2005?

It wasn´t a miiror it was the win in Wales 2005. A rally he shouldn´t have won

[Tom206wrc]

Fantastic how Neuville is cloth to Loeb and co. during this stage despite his loss of experience(car and rally) :)


Edit: nooooo lost 1'16 !!!! :(

[MikeD]

Puncture for Neuville?

[Mirek]

its not weird the situation,Malcolm choices are weird.Sordo at his first rally with Fiesta without enough testing,and without 100% perfect setup is inside the road and very close to top.We are talking about a driver that he had competed at 1/3 of rallies vs ford drivers at last 2 yearsSordo and his driving for other manufacturers shows very clearly that Loebs dominance is mostly caused by his skills and not by Citroën and their "cheating"...

[xavier]

Fantastic how Neuville is cloth to Loeb and co. during this stage despite his loss of experience(car and rally) :)

ouch, not any more +1:16.1 on split 7

[BleAivano]

Gutted for Petter :( How long can someone have so much bad luck for.........?

Well he could increase his luck by changing his driving style.

However imo its not bad luck to continuously doing mistakes. Petter is so experienced that these
things shouldn't happen. At least not so often.

Everyone (including Loeb) can make a mistake once or twice but not as much as the Ford boys.

[MikeD]

Heavy right hand damage for Neuville ... might have rolled

[Kielder]

its not weird the situation,Malcolm choices are weird.
Sordo at his first rally with Fiesta without enough testing,and without 100% perfect setup is inside the road and very close to top.We are talking about a driver that he had competed at 1/3 of rallies vs ford drivers at last 2 years

The base for a new choice in Ford is being built this weekend...

[MikeD]

Loeb is kicking a$$ on this stage....

[Tom206wrc]

Once again, Thierry Neuville shows performance, but followed by inconsistency(seems to have crashed again) :mark:

[Jajá]

So Hirvonen already handing the lead to Seb? Sordo not doing bad though, btw... And I must say I got somewhat impressed about Oliveira's pace in the previous stage... :D (I have to cheer to my mates, at least...)

[Mirek]

Once again, Thierry Neuville shows performance, but followed by inconsistency(seems to have crashed again) :mark:

It's his first year in WRC car on world stages. Mistakes and crashes are rather normal in this career stadium. Give him time.

[MikeD]

So Hirvonen already handing the lead to Seb? Sordo not doing bad though, btw... And I must say I got somewhat impressed about Oliveira's pace in the previous stage... :D (I have to cheer to my mates, at least...)

Comming from the coutry of Fittipaldi, Piquet and Senna you cannot settle for Nobre and Olivera ;) Let's hope they can generate the interest and then there will be a top driver from Brazil within 5 years.

[r199]

Neuville should ride for the Ford Crash Test Team. He is great for that team, and should have no problems fitting in the team.

The kid is good, but whan he is going real fast, he crashes. (the new Duval???)

[Kielder]

Once again, Thierry Neuville shows performance, but followed by inconsistency(seems to have crashed again) :mark:

It reminds me another driver... I can't remember his name :rolleyes: .

[MikeD]

It's his first year in WRC car on world stages. Mistakes and crashes are rather normal in this career stadium. Give him time.

I think Citroën is looking for a new Ogier for the future and Neuville has to get some top 6 results before the end of the season. For ogier it was that 2nd place in Greece 2009 that gave him the confidence and suddenliy he was regularly in Top 6.

[Rallyper]

I am a big fan of Petter but think (without knowing the whole story) he should have been more careful. For sure, he´s a ditch driver. In Argentina and most of other rallies that is not good, unfortunately for Petter....

JML, where are you... ;)

[pettersolberg29]

Don't see too much praise for Mikkelsen on here, but bearing in mind he's not even pushing flat out his pace is very good. To all those who said that he stood no chance against Ogier, this should prove you wrong.

[Mirek]

Mikkelsen has been amazing so far. I think he never started in Agrentina before, didn't he?

[BleAivano]

I am a big fan of Petter but think (without knowing the whole story) he should have been more careful. For sure, he´s a ditch driver.
In Argentina and most of other rallies that is not good, unfortunately for Petter....

JML, where are you... ;)

injured because of a ski crash... ;)

[dimviii]

Mikkelsen has been amazing so far. I think he never started in Agrentina before, didn't he?

yes first time

[Francis44]

Don't see too much praise for Mikkelsen on here, but bearing in mind he's not even pushing flat out his pace is very good. To all those who said that he stood no chance against Ogier, this should prove you wrong.

Now I have to credit Mikkelsen, let's see however how he adapts to turbo cars after not driving one for some years.

[ProRally]

Now I have to credit Mikkelsen, let's see however how he adapts to turbo cars after not driving one for some years.

For sure he can test the VW Polo WRCar with turbo ....

[pettersolberg29]

Mikkelsen has been amazing so far. I think he never started in Agrentina before, didn't he?

As Dimvii said, this is indeed his first time. And although I can't hear his post-stage interviews, I believe his tactics are the same as this morning where he was going steady and following Ogier's splits, and pushing only when it was 100% safe to do so. If he can be tactical and follow the splits of someone as talented as Ogier then the sky's the limit for this boy.

[rallye-vid]

Too bad Ford dropped Mikkelsen some years ago

[Sulland]

Ford need to reclass the steeringarms and triangles in the front suspension. It is a clear weak link now.

[A FONDO]

Oliveira already caught Salazar with 10 minutes penalty... I am starting to move to N.O.T's side, its getting annoying how gradually slower and slower people come to the scene..... one year earlier I thought Merksteijn is a disgrace, now he is something like middle class driver OMG

[Mirek]

Too bad Ford dropped Mikkelsen some years ago

He did even 2010 IRC with M-Sport run car...

[Kielder]

No news about SS6 being cancelled, so it will start at 18:25 local time.

[Mirek]

Ford need to reclass the steeringarms and triangles in the front suspension. It is a clear weak link now.

They would most likely end with mine-proof military vehicles than...

[JAM]

Sordo at his first rally with Fiesta without enough testing,and without 100% perfect setup is inside the road and very close to top.We are talking about a driver that he had competed at 1/3 of rallies vs ford drivers at last 2 years

This is only possible with a hell of a driver that during many years at Citroen was not authorized to atack the boss. Luckily he came to another team to show his real value.

At Ford, when it's not Latvala crashing is some arm broking

[Francis44]

Mikkelsen looses quite a bit in this stage to Ogier.